Ep86: Sugar daddy or NAH?

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If you guys have been watching our social media, I posted on the Horrible Decisions page and my own UM looking for interesting guests, right, people that would be either kinky or we could you know, just figure out what kind of lifestyle they have going on. And there's someone in the student with us today. If you're watching YouTube, you're going to see a blurry little blob on the stream. But we can tell you. Let's talk. Let's describe. First off,

I'm this is interesting for this conversation. So before we started filming, I said, Nick, I don't believe you because this man, this man is fine as across. You are a good character. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Well, now I judged your character just on the outside. You look good. You probably still ain't shit, but you look nice from the outside. And then you also don't grib what he looks like. So we have a black man in the studio. Yeah, I would say, what are you

six to? Okay, but now a great smile. There's some tattoos there. He came in with a button up baldhead. Yeah, bald head, very kind of chinky at and tall, tall, dark and handsome. And the reason that he's in the studio today is because he said that he would be a great deest guest for a Sugar Daddy episode. Now

I didn't believe him. I don't believe him now. Way that I did meet our guests, Mr Big is because I was doing it back to school donation thing, and he did send me some money for how much money you sent? Remember? Remember? Not enough? I think I just sent you. Actually I do remember I sent him one list because you know, you gotta gage how much somebody gonna spend. He was like, now you can send me more.

I like sending sending the good the good item. I don't remember what it was for me, Like no, Like, so I have two Amazon wish lists. I get that, but I'm saying you still have two different ones, like on one list, like even if you go to a baby shower, you got the friend that knows who to ask for papers, then you got the one who knows who to ask for a swing. Right, I wanted you know, so not the sex one. You know, not the sex No, not the sex wing. So I'm interested to know Mr

Biggs a little more about it. So we just want to break the heights with a few questions. Now I want to know. We got five questions here. Would you rather have an assertive or a submissive woman? Submissive? It doesn't really matter, she's gonna end up being submissive. Okay, excuse the funk out of it. No, I already looked at the fingers. There's no rains. Now. Would you rather have a woman with no sexual experiences at all? Or

an escort? Are those opposites? Does that even? I'm going I'm gonna have to go x escort right because listen, you know you can't the first time you touch a basketball, you can't say all right now, I'm gonna play against Steph Curry. I like that. Okay, gotta get I asked that question because the SV conversation is very like, oh, prostitute, but you know what I mean. I kind of wanted to see what you would say because I've seen on a lot of profiles men will say things like no professionals,

and I want to get into that with you too. Um. Would you rather have a woman who is not into threesomes or any kind of kinky sex or a woman that love kink, loves kinky sex and threesomes but only mmf so two men? Oh nah, we'll go. We're gonna go with option a vanilla. Yeah, if it's only with other dudes, you are you? I don't want to be in the same you know, I have none against the home sexual community. It's just, you know, i'd rather not be around some dick. Do you find yourself to be

a kinky person? Though? Depends on whose standards, you know, but I probably seemed pretty mild, you know, like, Okay, would you rather have a woman p on you or p on them? You gotta pick? I gotta pe. I gotta pick some p you gotta pick. Yeah, you gotta pick. I'd rather you keep. Okay, I'd rather no one p on anyone. That's not my ship. Yeah, there was just the standard, so you vanilla? All right? Hey, listen, if I gotta that was allowed, if I gotta pick, okay,

real quick. And this isn't name on there? So is there is there any anal play at all going on? Would you a girl in the ass or could she put her finger in your butt? Oh? I'd rather in the as Okay? Yeah, ok yeah, yeah, yeah, rather lick toes or eat ass. I'm going with the that's the vanilla ship, my nig. You're really not that kinky at all. Okay.

You know what that was exciting because I think the last person we had those pretty vanilla was Jesse Woo and then I think you just did a show with Carlon, Right, Yeah, pretty vanilla, Um, But I like your pretty vanilla at this point, man, what do you want to do? Kick about? Listen? Vanilla people are allowed van other people listen to this show, and the basis of you being on here is us Really, I'm just saying, like you at this point, you're like

an easy as sugar daddy in real life. Like you look good and you ain't you only want to kinky show. We haven't even got he easiest at this point. You're an easy trick. That's what me and my friends will call you. Girl. He easy, that's the easy one. It's easy one. You're an easy trick, all right, go ahead? He could be cheat, all right, That's probably what it is. So I want to get into our Vanilla ships segment, okay, which is our segment where we talk about sex in

the news. Um, I want to talk about Colin Kaepernick with a woman whose name I won't say, but he Um was outed by this woman because he asked her to book rome flight because he wanted to know her true intentions. Now, I want to know your thoughts on this as a man with money as someone who works in media and you're popular so to speak. Have you ever had a girl spend money to try to prove their love to you or like prove their interests or

that they're not using you? No, because I don't give a funk like they like, I don't want her to be interested in me. Like that's the point that I don't. I don't. I don't want that. So you find that if a woman is doing all that that it's like she's getting too far. Yeah, that's that's the whole point of this, like of why I got I got into um sugar sugaring, that's the term. Yes, that's dope. I just learned that, um but for sugaring, because you know, I don't have the time nor the will to be

some more boyfriend. When's the last time you've dated? I don't know, last time. Some bitch convinced me to do that three years time. It's time. It's funny because I oftentimes when when I have dealt with sugar daddies in the past, or dealt or matt men who were into it, a lot of times it is because they're emotionally unavailable. So normally by marriage, which is why I was looking at your hand and saw no ring. So it's odd to me that you are a single man who just listen, bitch,

don't catch feelings. I'm gonna pay for you kind of not to catch feelings, which a lot of athletes do the same thing. Were talking about how you were saying in one episode I think we did on Patreon how married sugar daddies are the best because they're more more unavailable,

absolutely but emotionally unavailable. And not only that, it allows the woman to kind of know her role as well, like, I'm not gonna lie if I'm dealing with a man that looks like you, and even though he's spending money, if I'm giving you the jffee, which is a girlfriend experience, it leaves me room to catch feelings as a woman, even though I know what the situation is. Now, I'm kind of open. He's available. Technically now I may try to try to take you since I know you're available

a married nigga. If if he's paying my bills and he's my sugar daddy, I'm able to in my mind mentally know what my role is in this and I'm just gonna give him the experience he won't keep get my coins and keep it trucking. I've never felt like, you know, I've never felt like a single sugar daddy's like I had never had a married one. I've never had it just never happened to me. But I I just felt like they wanted to be single because they knew they was gonna be Hold. Well, that's just what

I don't have. The like, how could you be single and cute and doing this, Like clearly you want nothing for me. I felt that what I've heard from like just even listening to pods and ship like that, Like married men have caught more feelings than the single niggas well. It's also because they're with women, if they're seeking women outside of their marriage, because they're only talking to one other person, they realized, oh my god, you're doing this

better than my wife. Blah bla blah blah blah, what would life be like with you? Yeah, but I mean they're seeking they're either something they're not getting um, but that's also their responsibility for setting up this arrangement, not

to catch feelings. So so yeah, so so would you I guess I guess you asked the question do you know of any of your friends like that maybe have experienced that, like where because I've talked about this on Twitter and I feel like a lot of women will try to go have on a date, or try fly themselves out or do these things to make themselves more appealing. So when you reach out to women, is the independent

woman not attractive to you? I mean for friendship? You know what I'm saying, Like, you know it'd be cool. It's like it's I want I like the I just like that term, okay because it um it provides a certain level of compliance. Oh you know ly, Yeah, it's an arrangement, That's what it is. Like she is not here for it, but it is. She just asked me to be in look on asshole one getting I'm interested

in knowing this. So I hear you on the independence part, Like it's not really relative, But how do you find it when a girl has nothing? Let's say she arrives and she needs cash to like she won't get some neat and you gotta buy some neat like are you go away? And she's like can you now? How does that feel? How does it go from needy to like attractive for you? What's too broke? Because I'm gonna be honest. I can't see how a girl could have nothing and

that be attractive answer. I have an answered to this, but go ahead, and I would love her because because I feel like that was such like a woman way of thinking. Like I've I've seen bitches flipping burgers that I thought was hot, you know, and I've also seen chicks,

you know, in corporate office. I don't I just don't give a fun right now, I'm talking in terms like I guess what I mean is the lieout things because some women on seeking arrangement, which is what me and you talked about before, and I don't want to jump in that too early, talk about requiring cash before they arrive. Has that happened to you? I mean, listen, honestly, Like, you know, I got my own business. You know, I'm running ship, you know, doing like big deals, and I've

been negotiating for a long time. So some fucking twenty year old bitch ain't going to negotiate me. Man right right the first time? You know they like it puts me. I have a strategic advantage in that scenario. But I like what you also said when you were like, I find I find a female flipping burger is interesting. I think it is because a lot of well, well, and I think it's a lot of time, um, kind of how we perceive things to be. However, I'm not gonna lie.

I was that bitch that couldn't afford another one way if you know, he didn't buy my round trip, like I was that bitch who slept on an air mattress before. Because I'm eighteen years old in my own apartment with not enough money to buy furniture. Yees, So I will say that, and even ship. While I was in school, I was living off student loans and whatever niggas was

given me. But during that time, I will say, the men who looked out and I won't call them my sugar daddies because they listened to the show, but they're my friends. Um. They looked out for me in a lot of ways, but it's also because they saw me

working towards something. And I'm not gonna lie. A lot of them felt like they were I don't want to say captain save a holes, but they loved to know that they were the reason why I was able to do anything like like, I do find some gratification, gratification in that, you know, like, you know she can fucking

now she got a computer to use. You gotta think men, like a lot of these young girls men there their their their life could be turbulent, you know, uh lack of lack of money, you know, And absolutely I want to get into that with like the age and the ideal of sugar baby looking for in a minute. But before we do that, um, every week we do a kink where we talk about paraphilias and what they mean.

So I found one called psychrophilia, and it's, uh, psychrophiliacs have fantasies of watching people freeze, like freezes in cold or freezes in everything. You still have a freeze? Are you talking about? Like freeze? Like literally, like did you look into this? I need to know, like shivering, it's like girls that are like shaking. It's like icicles dripping from people and sickles dripping from people. You did. But then but then I was just like, oh what if it?

Like you know, because I always try to take each kink that we do and try to take it to a little normal of a place or something we've done. I'm like I was using ice last night. No, that's not the same you can't bring up using ice as liking people who freeze. Okay, it's definitely not liking people who freeze. But I wonder if that's more of like a cold No, I mean I say this thing like, oh, I want you're gonna get like cold, like yes, like in the snow snow? Oh have you Well, I'm not

like I want to ask you this question. You're a and if you were to be in the snow or I mean even say maybe fucking in super cold water, don't your dick shrink? They don't shrink in the cold. Done, the cryo shrinks. It shrinks in the cold. But like when if you have an erection is different because like the blood rushes, Oh, your skin is shriveling your I don't know, so you could have a hard dick in the cold. I didn't one of those what's it the cryo?

What's it called the cry out therapy? Me and Alex? What is this? So you get in the tube and it's like below nitrogen. So I do cry of facials once a week is really good. I won't have to once the win or come. But like you know, it like makes your skin all glowy. So I go with Alex read the gym. He's going first, and he's looking down right and you can only see it from the neck. He's like, bro, my dick is like going in my body shriving. And then he's asking the nigga who's laughing.

He's like, this is happening. Everybody does this happening everybody? And I'm like, yo, everybody in the gym was talking about that, like all of your can like everything. Just I don't know if your dick like hides like a turtle, you know, it just goes back in. Well maybe if it's uncircumcised, right, Circumcised dicks don't hide level of cold, Like that's like a un natural level code. Like the crowd there be goes like two four, What you gotta try.

It's it's really good for like if your muscles now. It doesn't sound interesting to me. I don't know why you've been trying to get me to do white people ship. I'm just not interested because me doing it always do it. I mean, I ain't know athlete. I make them warm. So sugar, I want to give you the floor. Mr Bigs. Tell us how you started? How long ago you started?

All right? So I would be in a I found myself in a dilemma where, you know, really I'm focusing on like other things, you know, trying to conflise things, you know, and and I wouldn't have the time or the wherewithal to devote, you know, attention to a relationship. With attention, it deserves your relationship for real. So I was like, but at the same time, here's the thing, I still want some pussy, right, So good questions about

the middle range. I'm thirty eight, okay, okay, okay, okay, So you're thirty eight because a lot of times when women think of sugar daddies, we think of seventy year old, eight year old white men who are just about to die. Ye, my misconception as well. Like until I said, see how I got into it because I was thinking, all right, you know I would, I would stay these girls. And like, here's the thing, man, A lot of times, tell me, if you guys had this experience, if a girl like

likes you, sometimes some girls won't fuck you. And I don't know, Yeah, another n she knows what I'm talking about. And I'm doing that right now. Yeah, yeah, you fucking someone else because you're trying to make someone else, the guy that I'm interested in, and that the guy that like, man, he's doing everything right and he's not getting pussy. You see. You see it's okay. I understand the logic. I understand him,

and I think that there could be more. And I feel like sex is going to ruin it too early. But I know I can just get a dick from a nigga and ship. So that's what I'm doing with you. Expect imagine. Okay, So with you, what's the problem. I don't want to be that. You just don't want to be the nigga that don't get pussy. Well, he's saying he's gonna do the right thing. He's gonna take him to dinner, he's gonna treat them well, so it may push the pussy away, right, Yeah, so I can I

can understand that. I was thinking, all right, well, maybe I'll portray myself as more of a motherfucking asshole. Um, but that's really not who I am. Like, I'm not like a mean person or a bad guy like. So I thought maybe you would like repelled them from thinking that that wouldn't work out or or it would have the opposite effect, you know. Um where the girls might like you more, right, because you're mean to him. Yeah, you've been sugaring for how long maybe let's call it,

let's call it like mm hmmm for a minute. But let's let's about about eight years okay, okay, and you've had about how many sugars you've had about how many sugar babies over the span of that started. I mean, I'm sure you've spent money on women and giving them money, But when did you start using websites? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so that that that may have been that it may have been like five years ago. Okay, So like Sinking Arrangement was the website that you brought up to me?

Have you used any other ones? Um? Now? Because that one is just the one I know? And it was more like, uh, it's out there as towards very transparent what's going on. There's no ambiguity about what do you have your face on there? Have you have you met like have you ever flown a woman in from seeking arrangement? About flown them in? No? No, it isn't. Girls around you live in New York. You can search it's like different, you know, like, no, guys who use tender and stuff. Man,

you can't search race, No, you can't. You can't. Really what are you typing in? I'm interested? What is your preference? And what kind of woman? What kind of woman? White? Blond? White? Why do you think that think that? Yeah, you know what, you let me let me. I don't want to say it saying I thought I thought we could be transparent. We're being very transparent. I feel like I can't say it. Go ahead, you don't. It's don't sound bad, it doesn't matter.

I'll say. You don't like one of the black guys that like white girls. You look like you couldn't really be on that and the fact that black men that get to a certain level sometimes or like even if you it sounds like to be able to pay for it, like you really want it, right, And there's something like I think it may be harder for you to meet white women that you want and that to like start like every type of black guy when we go to

all white places. You know in there, just because he's a hot black guy doesn't mean that he could just get to all the white guls, right. It might be too taboosa. If you want to really just get it and make it your thing. I could see him going to look for that and paying for it. Because with black girls, it's a dub what they gonna be like, They're gonna be like, damn, he cute bit, you got a night drive, you got tapsy tall? He fine? Duh

white girls. I mean not not to bring it back to that, but I feel like if we go back to the bullshit the guys we said, this is what, Oh my god, you're like the tall basketball player type looking like to me, he's a safe black guy too that he could That could probably be by saying they didn't like they wanted the thug. They were like, you know, he lives uptown. He's a real black guy. Yeah, I mean I don't know. So what is your type? What is your type? Do you put in slim and athletic?

Put that in its black and Latino. I don't believe as at all. Oh now gonna pull out. You're so okay. So you're you're typing in black and Latina. What is the age range for your ideal Yeah, that's for your ideal question. Man. Um, First, I'm certain distance right, you know, and I'm keeping you want them closer far close? Um, I like out of town? Yeah, what is the allowance that you have on your profile? Negotiable? Yeah, well when when they asked, like how much they want monthly? What's

your cap? No? No, I'm the first rule negotiating is like you you never said the price first, you know, like you never you we're asking. Yeah, I'm telling you what I do, right, Like first of all, I want to know last time y'all yell at me said again you must not know all some real ship though, Um, no you don't. That's just how you negotiate, like you never know first, like saying you see with their prices

and and you know and then you you work around. Well, my question is more is like your personal cap what is the max you're willing? Yeah, it depends how the most man. Uh, we got to know what type of sugar she was, Like the most is like twelve for a one night Oh okay, So that was my questions. He gave me an idea, but that was going to be my question when you set up these arrangements and she wasn't white when you set up these arrangements, Um, do you only pay a sugar baby after she gives

you sex? Or are there gifts and money before sex takes place, she might get dinner or something. She might come and she might company me to dinner. Okay, And how many dinners are you going to before you're expecting sex? Since this is the arrangement, I'm having sex immediately after

on the first date. Now, how do you how do you have that conversation because a lot of times, like so I was on seeking arrangement, like when I was maybe I'd say eighteen through two, um, and so like I would go to dinner and like they would bring the cash and I'd be like, okay, so this must be just no, no, no, and they would give me cash. I would take the cash and then be like, well, I'll see you again now shout out for that lay

mass niked. I was kind of going the first time and they were telling me that, you know, this is how they want to show me they're interested in me. Now I'm learning because I've been talking to a few girls on Instagram the PPM pay per meat, So do you have that discussion before you gets I have the whole discussion, man. So basically it's like we start talking about, like, so, what kind of like she'ld be looking for right in there? And they were like, oh, let me give us some

blah blah blah. I don't really give a funk what they say, right, And then I'll say um, and then I'll say, all right, what you're thinking like some long term or payper meat, right, And then they'll they'll say either one. I don't give a funk what they say. And then I was like, all right, well, let's start off with like, you know, the paper meat you no matter what they say. And then and then like they they're they're in a bad situation like with me, right,

because like I negotiate for a living. What I'm saying, like, so it's what was that? Was? That was that? For?

So I'm making this I know I'm making this space first off, because to me, sugaring like how you're describing it to me is more tricking on prostitute than sugaring only because and I've had this conversation with a lot of my friends, because I mean, maybe I'm blessed with the with the guys that I've had um in my life over the years, but they live in a different state cities, and I could literally call them and ask for money and I'm getting it without having it evolved,

evolve that. Okay, I'm gonna say I don't think that. I don't think that that's what anybody thinks they're signing up forever. That comes with tenure, that comes with time work, Like I mean, maybe, but the chances they're sent right, No, no, no, are both you and I if we did that, I bet it would be someone that we've known. Yeah, I mean I only disagree with this because I have friends currently and they're they've bread bottoms, dinners, all this stuff.

Well before money, before sugaring. I will say this to both of your points. What he's saying is not sugaring, and where you're saying what I can call the men and get that money, that's not sugaring either. Sugaring by definition is not a paper meat. However, seeking arrangement has made that a very normalized thing. Right. Sugaring by definition is either allowance cash or gifts, but it has no exchange during the actual act. That that's what I'm saying.

Then my fault. You just buying. You just be buying for Pussy's the thing. You just be buying pussy. That's what that's what he'd be doing. I'd rather do that because because but it can evolve into more of a relationship than you're talking about, and hopefully that's like, hopefully it does into something more like that where it's like, um, who one is more is more economical for me, But it's also probably puts her in a better position to like, you know, uh, you know, for whatever it is she's

trying to accomplish her knees and propose. Well, what is the ideal. Is it like a college girls more ideal for you? Is it a girl that has kids? Is it like someone that just needs to do this to get away? Like life? Man, I don't think I've ever the girl with kids, like not really you the girl kids? I have? See you just say it? Really she had kids? Oh yeah, okay, I don't think I sucked the girl after she had told Yeah. If that's the case, then yeah,

oh I'm Lyne I the Niga Babby mama him. Oh I did that's right, but I had to Yeah, I forgot that is right, and she had about for kids, the kids. It just hasn't come up. Okay. So so here's here's my question to you as as a man, because we do have a lot of male listeners, and I think a lot of a lot of our episodes have been they've been saying it was for the ladies, So I want to make sure we do some talking

for the men. So if there's any men listening, how do you approach a woman outside of maybe okay, of course there's the website, But how do you get into these relationships where you say, Okay, I want to pay you and I don't want to be in a relationship with you. No, No, I don't. I don't like you know, because it becomes one, you know, especially with the climate right now, I feel like you offered money for sex. Man.

You know, that's like that's like more than the meet them first, and it's like that kind of should happens online. Like if I meet a girl in person who I like men like, or if she likes me, unless he's trying to smash, I probably don't want to suk with her, right because she's gonna want to be my girl, having conversations like hey, I'm only looking for X y Z. Because it doesn't matter, No, it doesn't. They can say that if it's just still want more. You can always man,

you can say you can say goddamn anything. You can say any the man you can say, listen, you know all that wanted to fun man? You know, Um, I kill people, I'm about to rob a bank. I want to play with that aids right, Maybe not the last one. Maybe not the last one. That's that's how you take it too far. Yeah, but my first relationship actually, and it's the reason that I refused to date married men because I feel like the carim was awful. I met a dude in the club Roxy and Orlando if Andy

Orlando listeners. Um, he never told me he was married, never told me he's going through separation anything. Three months later I found out he had a wife, broke up with him, and then he left her and was with me. We were together for two years. And I always blame myself, like, oh my god, even though I didn't know. And I really think it doesn't matter. And that's why, because chicks proved time and time again that it don't matter what

you say, you might end up with me. And and it's other thigs that say they don't want nothing that things happen, which is why chicks really don't believe you. Yeah. I mean, I can't speak for the boyfriend I had in Florida. Let you know do that Dad. It was like, Nope, I want this to be a one night stand, bam meeting. Mama's we in love talking about marriage. That's how ship.

It's crazy, and that's why. That's why to your point, I got into this ship in the first places, because you know, I just want to set expectations from the set. Do you ever have sex where you're not paying It's been, it's been, it has I don't remember the last time. Whoa And then because you're that scared of these girls having that emotional attachment to you and you just don't

want to deal with that bad experience. You're that scared of emotional attachment because you might need to see a therapist. Let's the average you're paying per per per time you have sex. I'm trying to think, oh yeah, there or would be some girls who just like, you know, like just some you know, I'm paying some rents. I'm paying some rents and some phone building ahead and send s. Yeah. I get into those situations where where it becomes like

a little bit more what's it. I mean these checks that you said, live in New York, what's the rent you pand oh man, Yeah, it's just some rints man. Now, I'm curious. It's like twelve in the Bronx. Yeah, yeah, yo, man, I was on the I was on the side right, and it's just like yo. She was like, yoo, can you give me uber from the Alright, broke? Don't First off, pause, that doesn't mean you're broke. I tell niggas all the time. I'm not taking a train to go see no niggas.

So if you want to see me, you're gonna pay my my uber and I live in the Bronx. Okay, So it doesn't mean I'm broke. I just don't want

to pay my uber. Reaction that he had that was the same reaction that Andrew had, which is really interesting to me because you just said, and I feel like there's this underlying thing, right and I'm not shaming you, but like I've heard two men on the show say something like this about the uber thing, and I'm very interested to know what it is about that holds the whole reason I'm doing this ship is like one is to keep emotion on it, but also because I want

to keep you convenient for me. Right now, she's adding levels of inconvenience right here, adding if I know I'm dealing with a man, hey, who I'm not putting no investment in, and you're paying for my pussy. What we're doing is sex. There's no reason why I'm gonna put the investment out of my pocket. Take it easy, now,

you guys on entitled to that continue. I just don't mean I gotta like it, and I might thinking, all right, maybe, just maybe if I gotta get this bit every time if you don't work, I don't know, that's what I'm thinking. I don't know, because entitled to listen where I live on the Upper east Side. Okay, So anyway, so I get the fun I'm about to get and you don't. But then I'm thinking, not Harlem. Okay, that's true. Um, but let me search his address for quick man? Am

I going? It's the project? I'm just curious. Right, it was high school and I was like the day wait, it was like high school. I didn't I didn't. I didn't even call it. Man, We'll watch out nig a lot. I think I might have right out of high school. Yo. Yo, I'm just saying, man, you can get I don't know what the age consent is here. I mean I was getting flown out of high school by NBA players. But I mean I was eighteen eighteen. I don't know, that's just now. I wouldn't want to pick up on a

bitch from high school. So okay, it could have been the cops. So you're having you're having first date dinners, right, first date dinners, and then she's at dinner, but should have set up from the onset like oh great, So you're like, hey, if it goes well, can you come to my place? Yeah? OK, like I got Have you ever had such a great chemistry with a sugar baby that it came to where she didn't want you to pay? Like she didn't even care? Yeah? Yeah? Is that often?

Like how does that work? I mean that that's happened. Uh, that's happened. Happened as women still trying to trying to shift the narrative, still trying to shift the narrative. It goes into the to the it goes out pretty frequently, you know, if if it's like something that prolonged, like if it's like after multiple times whatever, it's like, yes, she tries to she said, he I just want to know, you know, do you let it happen? Uh to a certain extent, you know, since you're acting a little cheap

about it. It's not it's not it's not cheap. It's uh, it's inconvenient for me. I'm just press are there any off limits? I'm entitled to feel like you got? I mean, I guess if you're paying for it every time and you attack on Uber from the Bronx, right, maybe forty bucks. So you're already saying I'm spending other hundred dollars. It's not even about that. It's just more like, all right, whatever,

more steps. How often are you you said you haven't you can't remember the last time you didn't pay for it? How often are you having sex? Not that often? You know, Like I work really hard, you know, saying so like actually work more than everything. How many sugar babies do you have a rotation? Right now? You should have came with these answers more than five? No, we belt five? Man, But then it'll be it'll be like, have you ever

gotten them together? Do you ever pay for like three SOMs or anything else that's like a little out there, I haven't, you know, I'd be down for it, but like I don't know. Man's like you said, I'm vanilla man. So I've had my fair share three somes. You know, I just feel like she's overrated. Man Like, I like, I like suing one chick more than I like three SOMs. So since you're not going to little emoil right now, you sound like me like one chick? Do you ever?

Let's say, I think he just meant one chick at a time. They don't make him emo your emo, Like, oh my god, I only want one dick in me. I can't do all these things, you know, I mean time. Yeah, I like one dude that one time too, though I like to get to know his body. I liked to. Do you ever like find that? So after you pay them, like, do you ever like them to? Do you pay for girlfriend experience? Do you find that since you are single, since you don't have anybody in your life, do you

pay for them to kind of hang around? You like always always hanging around, Like it's always it's always kind of cool. It's never like a I haven't done that ship where it's like the opposite of that whatever that is out. Yeah, they always kick it. Yeah, it's always uh because I'm not trying to demean them or anything. It's not it's not a thing where it's like, well, that's good that you don't take it like that, like it's not an adversarial relationship. Now, have you used any

escorting websites? Yeah, yeah, that's your favorite. That's different. That's like, that's a different subject. That's just straight up trying to get Yeah. Now see, I'll find that interesting because you're telling me that you're telling excuse me that you're not really doing gifts or anything like that. You do pay for me. But what's the difference then for you? And then you've noticed has been eight years between finding a girl on a sugar Daddy website and going to get

an escort on a website. What are the two differences in these women? Well, for one, I might be the only guy. I might be the only guy at least the first guy she that day. That makes sense, That makes sense. That makes sense. My friend is on eros and she has a limit of six, but you won't know, like you don't know what number you are unless maybe you get her early in the morning. But then she could have had a really late night call. So that makes sense. When when when all of my friends, when

we're on seeking arrangement, I've been on there. It's it's a lot of scams now on their um, a lot of cameras, or it's a lot of men on there that are on there not looking for a quote unquote professionals, but they're also not looking to pay that allowance because they do want girl friends and relationships and it's like, my nigga, you on the wrong site, go swipe on

tender like it's really frustrating. But also, and I do want to make this announcement while we're speaking on seeking arrangement a lot, we've been getting a lot of messages asking about seeking. I will say, if anyone is on there asking for your bank account information, that is not the way sugaring or any of this works. Um, So do not ever send your bank account information over there either. Well, and if you're looking for cash, either meet him up on a date and ask for the cash, or you

can do like a cash app. Um, that's the safe route. But if they're saying they can do cash app or PayPal, then honestly don't trust them because so it's a scamp. So there's a dating scam. And I only know this because I fucking went to Nigeria learned about it um, but it's called dating and basically Nigerians the scam. So Nigerians will um get on. They're using pictures. Sometimes they do use women as decoys, like for the phone calls, and they build relationships with men to send the money.

So so or a lot of what do you mean? They get their bank accounts and now they have credit card it's like a part of the credit card scam. Now they can literally I don't know what technology they do to use it, but they'll either get your bank account information or for the other scamming part, this is for men possibly seeking women. They'll do it to where now they'll have a man like you who wants a woman but sending her money without ever meeting her type

of man um. So there's that, but um, I don't know, I guess do you want to go ahead and jump into our our homemail segment or did you have any other questions? I didn't want to know about your worst experience? Oh the worst experience? Um, did you ever still have someone that wasn't who they said they were? Like? How did you get them? Yeah? You get a little less of that, right, I think I would imagine then you would on like Tinder or some ship. You know what.

Bitches are kind of like enhancing their appearance a little bit. I mean they definitely put their their best put foot forward in their their profile, but um, yeah, I find ways to mitigate that, like you know, like what's what's her Instagram or whatever? You like to see all you after checks on Instagram? I would I don't. I don't like giving my Instagram out, not from seeking arrangement. I couldn't imagine being on a sugar babysitting giving out my

Instagram because then you kind of like reveal yourself. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. What's the closest you got to a sugar baby? Have you ever taken one to a family vacation? And if no, no no, but you know, just like places, you know what I'm saying, Ok, you have vacation. Okay, so I mean okay, I hear, yeah you know, um but no, like I keep those worlds separated, you know what I'm saying, Like work women do they

know your real name? And then I got yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not like I'm not sing Badman rights, like I'm nothero. But it's like, you know, I don't know I feel like this makes me like a more what's the what's the word I'm looking for? You know, like you guys probably have a lot of guy friends who are probably just who you know, we're just trying to fun. You were waiting for the chance, okay, um,

not trying to suck my female friends. Like it's like because I got I got bitches man, and it's like I don't need it. I don't know, I feel like I'm a better friend to like my like legit female friends. Uh, definitely not trying to fun just at work and ship like to ship like like I got that part of my life handle. You know, Yeah, I mean sex works. It's great for those things. Like I mean, just imagine if there were a few men that felt like they

could do this, I wouldn't cross that boundary line. I don't like to say that prostitution can stop rape, because rapist rape like nothing. But I can't understand what you're saying, like towing the line. You know, maybe men having these options and feeling more comfortable where they wouldn't mean trying random girls at your job, Like no, you can just been trying to work man, like you I've didn't hit on at work and it's terrible. Yeah, it's weird, man

like's I think it's weird. I think it's weird when guys are trying to suck their friends man like their female I think it's just weird. I hate it. And once once you know your friend zoned, I know your friend zoned, and I don't want to take it past the friend zone when you let me know you like me, or like, oh you checked me out, or I look good sending me like I don't like like, we don't like that, We don't like. It's because they're pretending to

be your friend. You just well, like okay, in the Animal Kingdom, right, the motherfucking gorillas and ship right, like the alpha gorilla he foks the badest gorilla bitches with, you know, with the biggest titties and the ship are you I'm assuming that this is just regularly heard and and then like that's the alpha gorilla, right, but not the beta grillas. What they do this is a strategy.

They become friends with these girls. They start the cleaning just hair and ship, you know what I'm saying, hanging out with it. And then the male gorilla, the real nigga gorilla comes through when they scattered this scatatto, right, But every once in a while, every once in a while, one in the middle cleaning bitch gorillas get to one of the bad. It's a strategy, and it's this is well documented in the primate community. It's well documented well on the nature planet. I read about. The book I

read about is called Alpha Nigga Guerrillas. That's really primates. No, the not the winner effect about that's interesting, the winner effect. And if some about like guys who are like winners, the alpha guys, how they how how society treats them, how they behave, and they would just drawn that parallel and that's your all, your all, your all, your male friends. If you guys were monkeys picking your hair, helping you moving, funny that you were like, are you high that strategy.

We interviewed a guy, one of my friends to pick up artists we called them right. He's friends with the hottest bottle of model bitches, all of them, right, And eventually he's like, I'll start breaking down with their boyfriend, who and ship and who was there? Who was dopest this whole time? And he's like and you know what, And he's like, I don't ever like be pressed for posty because I'm just prolonging the post with everybody like they all fuck me. Then I think that's whack, but

it works. You listen, guys, guys, I don't want to use that strategy, alright, that's lame. All the guys that listening, all right, Just what you do you be friends with those girls? Right? Can you really give advice to this because you just pay for the pussy. You take the easy way out, I take it away, you know. I'm just it's called leverage, all right, but like I'm gonna give you guys who may not have as much you know.

Uh yeah, okay, So this is what you do when you be friends with those girls, the baddest bitches, right, and really just be friends with him because they got they got friends and family members who they'll co sign for you. Man, you're really cool man, like you say, and then other girls will see you with this hot girls, right, and then they'll they'll they'll like you more. You know. Um, what's the word I'm looking for? Um? Huh, social proof? But I'm looking for you know what I mean. It's

happened to me. Let's the pick up term? Uh uh there's a term for this preselection. Yea, they see you, they do. Other girls see you with these cool girls, and they think, oh, he must be cool. He obviously is not a weirdo, right, all these hot girls out with him. I've had dudes invite me out, so then I alone. He's like, that's the strategy. That's a good point. I mean, having beautiful people around you does make people wonder, like, damn,

who are you? Makes everything easier? It makes everything easier. And that bitch is the equivalent of a Rolex or Lamb boat. I would love to be the show off before all right, So I want to get into some of our whole mails. So each week we have our listeners send us letters and they're asking us for advice. If you guys want to send some homemail, send it to Horrible Decisions at gmail dot com. UM the ones that I picked up, I think you may have this one also, UM is Stomp the Yard. I really like

this one. Ladies love the podcast. Listen to you guys all the time. I need someone's opinion, and I'm too embarrassed to ask my friends. So I figured to be the perfect time to write in. Me and my man have been having sex together for two years. It's amazing, pretty much the best I've ever had. We always try new things, but recently he's requesting to do something that

I don't really want to do. I don't know if you guys have heard of it, but it's called gumba stomping, a massacus sex act that involves a man laying down and his sexual partner jumping up and down, stomping on his crotch with both feet. Feeling like Mario stomping on a gumba. My first thought is I don't want to hurt the best dick I've ever had. I mean, how could I possibly how can we possibly have sex after

I stop on your dick? But to the point now that he doesn't even want to have sex unless I do it, I've expressed to him that I don't want to. But of course that goes in one year out together. Should I just do it to please my man? Or is it time for a new man? Did you need to jump on that dick? Maybe I would jump on the dick cloth on somebody news. So it's it's hard for me because I think we talked about this austin

um that kinks like when people enjoy certain kinks. Maybe you may not find the right partner to fulfill those kinks, and you need to be open enough to say it. But I think at this point he's being very selfish, and I think that that's something that she needs to just discuss with him, like, listen, I'm doing this to please you. However, it's not something that I genuinely enjoy doing.

And sex is very mental, and so if this is something that she just doesn't really understand, it can cause her arousal to not be there all the way because she doesn't understand that she knows. I guess she doesn't. She doesn't, she's not right. So, like when someone has a kink that I think of is quote unquote more extreme like this. For example, I'd say maybe six out of every time I have sex, I'm getting choked, which more than half. Yeah, right, The other four odd times

just doesn't happen to me. Choking is not that extreme. But if someone really felt like they were inflicting pain on me and they were like confused about doing it, I would expect it maybe too at ten times, and I would accept that if somebody thought it was hurting me, or if they couldn't handle it. Well, that's what I was gonna say. I think at this point, the fact that she said that he doesn't even want to have

sex unless I do this. This needs to be a conversation where she's sits down with him and lets him know her feelings, Like, listen, I don't want to do this to you every time. If he's willing to compromise and maybe you only have to stomp on his dick, you know, every other time, then I'm a lot. But I mean it happens a lot, but it'll it's a compromise. Hills or some guys like somebody Hills. The Asian dude that I went on a date with brought up this

guy can the human Rug? I googled it. This guy used to roll himself up in a rug and bars in New York. I've been trying to find him to interview him, but he would just like to sit there all night and we get super turned on. People just like stepping on him, people just making out on top of him, ordering drinks, just treating him like people are into this, but like I wouldn't expect it every time during sex, Like do you expect to have dessert? Every time you go out to heat. Know, sometimes you do,

sometimes you don't. This ship is dessert. Not to mention. I fuck that sick nipple. Fuck that always wanted me to have my hands on his nipples, and he was redic you listen, it's legit. The reason I have not given him more pussy. I couldn't even touch my clip without him pulling my hand off of myself to put it back on his nipples. Absolutely not. If you can't consider me while we're having sex fun yourself, can I actually all questions me because y'all y'all probably talk to

more women than I do about this. We have live homemale live home ahead and ask a questions. Okay, ask a question male homemail. All right, So listen, do some girls not like getting choked and slapped around? Yes? Yeah, I'm never. Oh yeah I've never. I'm I mean, but if you said most of your women you want them to be submissive and submissive traits, I'm more of a

to put your hands on their next or anything like that. Yeah, I would definitely like Like, honestly, if you if you were like to just walk into a room it sult me having sex, you would have to assume you were witnessing a rate, like if you didn't know it from be like, yeah, you would have to assume you don't

talk about how rough you are before. No, that's probably something that should change because I know that I have had sex with guys um And I actually had to have this conversation with Fellam Bay actually, and I just assumed it was because he had just gotten out of jail why he was so fucking rough, Like I'm not gonna lie, like when we first sucked, like he was sucking me like he tried to prove a point and you know, I'm really dominant, Like what the point you

trying to prove? Bro, Calm down, I'm not I'm not gonna lie like, And because I do normally take the dominant stance in the bedroom or like me, it's like a really good balance to where he knows like what I'm not into. Yeah, but it's to the point like where even his hands like my chest hurt because he was like sucking me but like all my chest very hard, the choking. He didn't really slap me, um, but it

was still just very rough. And I had to tell him like, hey, bro, next time, you gotta cones down like like that from things that they're seeing or like had to be that porn ship because I'm not gonna lie, Like, what's the nigga that All Aways wears the Timberland boots in a porn um Wesley Pipes, So Wesley Pipes Fox every bitch hardest fun it's him really with him. It says real rough, like bitch ten and it's just like whoa, whoa, whoa.

But a lot of men watch and a lot of That's why I don't really like straight porn because it's very, very very aggressive on the man's side compared to the women until we interviewer and so to me, I would say, if that's your you know, preference and fucking you should

definitely let them know. Just I'm gonna tear that out up, like you need to let them paid for it doesn't mean that they have to accept it, right, and like we should all remember that, like, yeah, you know, I'm not doing anything gets you will obviously I don't think that you are. But I also think that a lot of men. I think this is a really good learning

moment in a teaching moment. Excuse me, because you just assume and so you may not know how the girl feels when she leaves, Like what if she really doesn't like being roughed up? Can you imagine being paid for sex and then being funk like that? You're probably like damn, m hmm, be sucked up and so like, I think it's really good, especially when and I don't really like talking about sex so far in the beginning with dating. But for what you're doing, like yeah, be like, hey,

like I like to get rough to? Would you enjoy that? Like our hands are cool, like there's nothing wrong. We're talking about that and if they say no, then they like, you know it. We probably shouldn't continue, are you if these girls get off? Do you give a ship? If these girls get off? I could see you not caring. He doesn't care. I'm never it's not it's not something I consider. I know how that sounds. No, it's normal who don't pay, don't consider. It's not something I consider,

and and or even even when I'm I don't know. Man, some girls, some girls, Man, do you think that you have to care about a girl to maker want to come? Well, here's the thing, man, Like some girls, it's a fucking ruby's cute, you know, like some most some girls come easy, Like every every girl is different, right, It's like trying to find a different combination that's different lock every time. And that's cool. Um, but you're paying for the service,

so you feel like you just want to come. You're paying, so I just want to get my I kind of that's the most reasonable thing. Like I don't more something I agree than like asking what the women want, Like I don't agree with that, but I kind of get that. Like if I'm getting paid to funk, like I don't expect you to go all out for me. I mean, it's so funny. I'm a deal with some super simps because I don't had a nigger like give me money.

And he wanted his dick stuck and I didn't want to suck his sick and I told him I don't want to suck a sick. I don't be riding dick. This one thing. I was like, I'm a big ass spoiled brat, like even if a nigg is paying me or helping me with bills, like I'm gonna do what I want to do in the bedroom. I mean, and you you made a comment earlier that you didn't believe he did it because he's good looking, now do you believe it? I feel like he needs a therapist. But um,

I definitely think this ain't the only reason. I definitely feel like there's some sort of not only entitlement, but um the fact that you don't want emotional attachment with a woman right now for whatever reason. Maybe it's a commitment phobia that you have. But not only that. I could see a woman who might also be fed up

with that. If she was dating him and you're telling me you have sex with you and mind and not her in mind, that could be an issue even in the long run, Like you're not caring if I even come. And I think a lot of men move in that way and that's what causes maybe some women that she step out like he doesn't know these girls and he's paying. No, I'm saying if he wasn't in the paying round. And I'm talking now to the to the men who might have this mentality who when they have sex they're worried

about them nutting and not really the pleasure of a woman. Well, he's the girls who are like more long term, like I know how to make them come right. I really feel like you don't know how to make anyone come. I just have I really have that feeling right now with you. I mean, and I could be wrong. I could be wrong, you know, I could be honestly be right.

I mean, I just wait, I feel like, you know the long term women, do you give a ship like yea, yeah, yeah, if they are yeah, because like we have a different sort of attachment, you know, Okay, it's just a girl, just like I don't feel like he got no attachment to nobody is how did this become an adversarial It's not an adversarial relationship. I genuinely just feel like everything that you're having to super think about or whatever, Like I don't know, your responses to me are just like, okay,

you pay for pussy, that's it. Like any type of connection, any type of caring what the other person cares about. I feel like you have no no sense of that, Like you don't give a funk what they want, what their feelings are, if they come or if they don't come. So you're telling me, yeah, some of the people have

relationships with their yet you don't know. I'm just saying, like I feel like you're saying it sounds good, but I genuinely feel like you have maybe a huge sense of health worth where you kind of just don't value anyone. That's why you have to pay for pussy. Because I feel like in a dating yet we had one they do. We can see that narrative, like you just see like a woman being like, oh, you're too arrogant. But you know what, this is exactly why I pay bitches because

you don't want to hear. But not only that, but I don't know or to know that you're having sex without without To be fair, I've never been with a man that's given me. I'm not talking about man with money. I'm talking about men that have dropped thousands on me that weren't arrogant. Yeah, but I'll deal with arrogant men.

But I feel like, and maybe it's because of how open a person is able to get with me, even the men that I have dealt with who have dropped money, I feel like there's been an eager sense to kind of please me. And maybe because I've openly talked about how men make me orgasm, now they feel like they're in competition to also make me orgasm. But I think that's speaking to the persons who write like you have

to keep in mind that you are the one. In my opinion, from what it's sounding like, I don't mean this how it sounds. You're asking, and he's searching for these women. They they've come to me, and now we've gotten arrangement. I'm talking about, Are you on seeking arrangement? No, I'm not on seeking right now, because he's on seeking arrangement, looking for women, screening for you know, a certain level of uh, you know, for a certain sort of relationship.

He's technically so on seeking arrangement right when you're having like like in this case. To me, I feel like there's more of a surplus of women than there are men that are really willing to pay, which is why he can do ship like this opposed to what you're going through where they're finding a hot girl that's willing to suck them and they're like, ship, well, what else do I have to do for you to keep sucking me?

When they know you've got niggas on your line. The frame is different, you know, like they came in from with a different understanding. To me, I feel like it's not that hard for you to find a dude to break you out, and these guys experience, right, the ones that you're meeting right, you can and you're open about the men that are hitting up at least right now at this point in the game. Whereas for you, these are girls that really need to go to give them

some cash. And if you're paying three hundred dollars to fun, if a bit just sucking for three and dollars, she needs money? Yeah, just need money, man, you know. And in in uh, you know, it's it's not that I don't care, it's just it's not you know what, I don't even want to touch on that. The part I want to get on is when you say you said, And that's why he has to write. Here's the thing I if I had to, I wouldn't be ashamed of that either. Rice with um because I can cook a

pizza better than Dominoes. That's a lot of that's more effort. I gotta go buy this ship, I gotta go to the grocery store, I gotta come on, I gotta prepare it, or I gotta hit the fucking the app. And that's just shows up, right, and and it's not even being being lazy. It's more like, you know, times your most valuable asset. Right, So if if I really don't, I don't want to be the relationship, not not just because

I'm an asshole or dick. It's probably some of that too, right, but it's more so I don't have the the time to give a relationship what it deserves, right for real, I'm gonna be honest about that. Uh So the circumvent that, all right, I set up the situation where, um, you know, I know what's up. They just they can just come through if they're done with that, and then that's you make problem. Yeah, that's probably the most sense you made. Yeah, yeah,

kind of you don't really make none, but it's cool. Anyways, we appreciate you coming onto the show. You are anonymous, so unfortunately, ladies, you can't know who this guy is, um, but we appreciate that. Um. Fellows. If you have any questions UM relating to sugaring or maybe any experiences or stories, make sure you go ahead and send that too Horrible Decisions at gmail dot com. Also be sure to follow us on our Instagram at Horrible Underscore Decisions and follow

me every day well at full core Pumps. Before we cut this show off, let's talk about in November six. Okay, we're both from Florida. There was a piece of ship governor that I had in my time named Rick Scott, a dick. Okay, he could have definitely helped convict Georgie's nan, but he didn't. And I hate to get on this with y'all, but we finally have a black man who's running for governor in Florida and he's dope. Go out and vote, and you guys should go and vote and listen.

If you can't vote right, use your car to pick people up to vote, convince other people, use your social media if you're an influencer, if you've got some leverage, like there's a fucking asshole in office, because y'all, motherfucker's in Florida's less the fuck down. Okay, So do me a favor, Wheezy, take a picture of you with your voting sicker, and I'm gonna send you a kiss or

maybe a cleavage shot. Yeah that so um, go ahead and vote again, And thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of Horrible Decisions by