Ep77: Working Out the Kinks Feat a Therapist

So we actually sat with a therapist and kind of worked out our issues with each other. We kind of preach every episode the importance of communication, and communication has not been one of the strong points between Weezy and I, and so during this episode you will listen to a lot of emotions. Um, there was tears, there was yelling. This may be a difficult one to get through, but I did want to let you know that we did

come out on top. Weezy and I have actually got to our differences and made up and Horrible Decisions will continue, So if you are ready, please buckle up and enjoy this week's episode. Hey guys, um, welcome to yet another episode of horrible decisions and as you guys know, UM, we have been going through, UM, quite some turmoil over the last couple of weeks. We might not know, UM, a lot of people know. I think UM. There's been other podcasts that have spoken on us as a duo

in this podcast. UM. There's also been quite some ster in the social media around between Instagram and Twitter. UM. We're very UM open. As you guys know, this has been a podcast where we've opened up, UM about a lot of intimate details with ourselves. And as you guys know, and as you guys have pointed out, not only on YouTube but also in the comments and in the blogs,

you guys sent some tension between us. UM. So with what's been transpiring over the last two weeks, we did not want to keep you guys out of the loop. I do want to say before we start this episode that we are not going anywhere. Hopefully, UM. We are going to stand strong. I know that we have changed a lot of people's lives with this platform and we want to continue doing that. UM. But unfortunately, before we get to keep doing that, UM, there are some things

that we just kind of want to work through. And we decided since we are so open um with our very intimate details within our life that we open it up and let you guys in on it. Since we have on Instagram live and our tweets and everything else, I don't feel that way. Um. I want to let everybody know that I don't feel like this should have

been something that we did. I do want to say that I think that because me and you have talked about doing mediation on our own, that it's not everybody's business, but if you want to keep them in the loop. I'm only here because, like I said, you you want this, but I really don't feel like it's any always been as business at all. I'm appreciative that you're here, but I feel I take therapy very serious, and to me, this is a free therapy. And I'm more excited because

you're female, excuse me, a woman and black. But I just think that I don't really care what anyone has to say about what we have going on. I care a lot about what you have to say in your feelings, and I feel like this almost makes it a little more of a mockery because we allow people to be in on something that's so personal to us as far as our business. Could it not be a mockery and and something that's actually modeled, because from what I gather and what I have had exposure to, your back and

forth on social media is unprofessional. It's not kind, it's not thoughtful, and that's a mockery of the work that you do. So this is actually something altogether different. It's about trying to understand each other the underlying reasons why there is so much conflict and others can learn from it. We're not going to dig too deeply. I am here for literally just another fifty seven minutes. Sure, So before

we start, let me introduce myself. My name is Dr Pettiford, but I've been referred to as I want to call myself some lady doctor some lady because I actually heard, uh the podcast that you were on the other day and you said that you would prefer for van or friend rather than some lady to provide you all with mediation, and so that to me says it on area right, what would make them more qualified? I don't think that

it's necessarily about qualifications. I'm sure that you spent a lot of time with schooling and and with other people trying to figure out how to help us and benefit us. But as I've said, I do really appreciate therapy, and I do feel like this is a I don't feel like. I mean, I even told Mandy last night, I don't want anyone else to be in the room with us, you know. I don't want to see a king behind you, or even Christopher sitting here, even though we work with them.

I feel like this is a very private thing. So if we're going to make it a whole podcast entertaining thing, then I did want another entertainer there because to me, this is too personal. I didn't want it to be a social media thing. I don't want Instagram lives or the tweets, which was why I reacted the way I did, because I didn't want that. For many I would have

wanted her to answer the phone. So no, I didn't want this to be I take your job very serious, and I feel like this podcast, it's a comedy podcast. It's not that serious, and this makes it. I don't know, egos get into it when Mike's and other people are around. Well, can we dispel with that that concept? I think that has a lot to do with the the conflict intention that you two have is egos and arrogant, And do you know the difference between arrogance and confidence. Arrogance is

a false sense of confidence is a mask. And that's what I perceive is going on here because it is all fun and games, but you two are not being

holy truthful with each other or your audience. However, there are times when you want to dig at each other and take it in a personal route, like with I don't know who that person, I don't know whatever it is that you mentioned the trick that was played on you, and then you get pulled in and feelings are hurt, and rather than one person calling the other, it gets completely blown out of control, right, and then we feed

into it. You feed into it by even entertaining a question on another podcast, And then I mean there's let me yes, UM obviously UM upset by it because I think that what you two have is a beautiful thing. However, I think that your ego and your youth um are getting in the way. So what I would like for each of you to do is tell me in one sentence what you believe the conflict is, and please don't make it of a non sentence. Who would like to start?

That's fine, I'll start um and I'll leave it at one sentence before I tell my story, but I will say that the problem that I have is the lack of respect, and I can leave it at that because I think that's the umbrella for everything. Okay, So can we see say is the perceived lack of respect and absolute lack of respect in public and in private both It's not perceived and it's been something. We talked about it before, though that was more than one sentence. We've

got to listen to the rules here. It's fine. I've got to say I think you two are billiant. I, however, am not. And I'm about twenty years older than you, so my processing speed is so slow. So we're going to follow the rules, not talk over me and and one sentence, so please tell me, weezy, what in one sentence do you think the conflict is. I'll be honest, I'm I would rather listen to Mandy at this point,

she's telling me that I don't respect her. She's like, it's absolute, it's a fact to me, and I don't want to make it longer than I have to. Why don't we just let Mandy maybe talk and then maybe I can respond. I don't want to keep thinking about how she feels. Because I spoke to her last night. I gave her call and I said, hey, like, how did you feel about what I said about Van? Can you tell me your feelings on that. She's like, Nope, it was wrong, blah blah blah. I thought I was

as respectful as I could be. I don't feel like I said anything wrong to her or anything like that. I don't hate Mandy. I don't feel like I did respected her. So can you, Yes, you can. I don't know what the conflict. I don't. I don't know where it lies. So that's why I want to just listen. OK So just say that. Then don't put it all on Mandy, because that's not you taking ownership or having some sense of accountability. Because relationships are bi directional. Contribute

to them. And I know there was something that happened I made her upset, But as far as the true conflict, what the real problem is, No, I don't. I can't answer the question. Okay, how many I'm I'm breathing. I'm breathing. I promise you I'm breathing, okay, and I will remain. You just said to me. I don't know why I'm missing the point. You need to follow my rules. You need to follow my rules, and I gotta say this. We're not doing that. All of it's from here and

here because you already have it all lined out. Okay, but okay, the seats are needed. Seats are needed because what was spewed on the Vanileithen podcast in terms of her side of this away from me, and maybe we could just start. I want Mandy to feel like she has to get whatever I saw, but also I want to be able to say my piece too. Okay, Mandy, you have got to have, as a teenager, say some chill. I'm chill. I'm not even doing anything to see you are. If I ask you to stop talking, then you need

to just pause. And I paused, and don't interrupt her. Let her speak her piece, because let me be the one who regulates, okay, which you are. I have not interrupted her yet when I listened back, if I interrupted her, I'll sense that my expression and face and emotions over here are showing to you. But there was nothing that came out of my mouth. I sat here and said what I said about the Van show, and she interrupted me and said, Okay, well that that's what we talked

about last night, etcetera, etcetera. If you're saying that I can't sit here and show the receipts for the false things that were said, then I will not show them. I will tell you this. What's happening is I'm getting the bulk of what it is that you do with her. You don't feel heard, so you're gonna keep talking. You're gonna keep talking over me, and you're not going to listen to the rules. That's not how it works here.

I want you to know that I am going to hear everything that you say, but you need to be patient. I hold you in high regard. You're not going to be ignored or disrespected by me in any way that I'm aware of. So let's go to the Van Leathan Show, because I gotta be honest with you. It was tortures for me to listen to that only because this podcast and I have no interest whatsoever in cream pies and whatever. People. I just it was painful. No, just the one. I

only got sent the one. So I will tell you this, Um, there was a part in the podcast, and I think what happens with you wheezy is you're unaware of the words that you say, and then a short period after you speak, you contradict yourself. So what you said was you had no beef with Mandy, you had her back, all this positive stuff, and then you said, very distinctly, very very plainly, there was some other thing that Mandy

had said on a previous podcast. So when the thing started to unfold with whomever that person was, Andrew and I still think by that, let me finish, you said something something to the effect of, well, she did it to me, so I'm okay with it happening the way that it did. Do you do you take ownership of that? I do? Can I explain why what I need for you to do? And yes, please explain why I need for you to speak slowly and be thoughtful with your words. And I don't want to be her fault with my words.

So I said that because so when I was saying that, I was sitting there I had no beef with her. I didn't say anything. Immediately when I saw what happened on Twitter, how she was upset, I was like, what the fuck right? And I was thinking I didn't say anything, How could she have been as angry blah blah blah blah blah. So then when I finally got to talk to her, I called Mandy. I tried to hit her up every day. It was constant me trying to connect

with her and talk about it. And when I finally did, she said something along the lines of like, uh, you said nothing to stop it or whatever, blah blah blah, something like that I didn't stop it, which I should have, which was a lot of the feedback I got from people, even though I didn't make the joke, I should have stopped it, And I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna stop you it right now. You're you're not answering my question.

Do you take ownership of the fact that you I But to me, I'll tell you I didn't think it was a contradiction because what I said, what you just said, I said about how I had no beef with her, and I didn't say anything wrong. I didn't. But the reason that I didn't speak up or felt they need to say anything is because why would I need to come to her defense when why she says what she wants to say. So if someone else is speaking about Mandy, the only thing I should have defended was her way.

Other than that, I don't know if she sucked up my Alex or not. It was a prank towards me. I still too in this moment. The only thing I could have done was maybe stopped it sooner and say, let's not talk about this. But okay, so maybe I'm not being clear. During the podcast, you said that you defended Mandy right, and then you then you said something to the effect of, well, you didn't feel like you needed to jump in because she had said something hurtful

about you on a previous podcast. Can you say yes or no? Yes, Okay. What you're doing is you're talking around stuff, and so what I need for you to do is to hear what I'm saying and answer my question because you've got a gift for gap you do. You have a gift, and what it's doing is it's not a allowing you to take responsibility for the hurt

that you do. I would like to take responsibility for that, but I can't tell you sincerely that I really believe she's using the word respect and I don't feel like I was disrespectful to Mandy. And maybe that's why I get very confused and keep talking about in it sounds like I'm talking in circles because I really and maybe that's because of the intent. Can you say this, Can you say that when you heard this whatever podcast however long ago that Mandy was on, you heard some content

and it hurt your feelings? Yes or no? Yeah? Did you ever talk to her about that? Uh? Yeah, I was in Japan. I talked to you. I text her. She told me I was tripping. Um, yeah, I did. Okay, okay, But whenever you because there's so many lies that are being said right there, I didn't hit you up about I didn't hit you up. I didn't hit you up. You were upset that I sat here and said that the reason for our podcast being successful from an early

start was because and how you said something. I've said something because I gave it to the fact that I was already sitting on a social media following and you

felt that me saying that it wasn't just Mandy. That's a shitty thing to say when you had another podcast and you're giving no credibility to the fact that people don't okay, okay, so so mad because I didn't give her credit on another poet Then you went on another podcast and you said I was said some shit about my feminism and how I said, you contradict yourself and you're a hypocrite, which she just sat here and how home this whole week And I'm hypot about how you

contradict yourself, me saying that you contradict yourself, me saying that you're a hypocrite. Those are things that I've said on our very own son. How can you really have a leg to stand on about our brand when you went online before you called me? How could you do that and look me in the face and early say that she's done? Mandy, let's take let's take a berest right now. So what I'm hearing is you admit, which is really hard for you, that someone has hurt you.

You had a heart right, No, no, no no, that you were hurt by her words to me. I don't understand your generation. Talking is not texting. You were in Japan or someone was in Japan? Was the time that I connected with her? Yet? Okay, So tell me this. Did you ever have a sit down where you hashed it out and resolved it? Yes or no? No, we've called each other, that's the only we've never really said, you talked about those things. So I tried multiple times after recording. Okay,

she's always too busy to say. We always tried to talk before podcast, and I said, listen, wheezy, when we talked before shows, it affects the content. I'm not talking to you before a show. This has been at least the last couple of times we've record. Only tell me you were doing another show. That's the only time that

you wanted to sit with me. Okay that I do want to say, um doctor, that what she is saying as far as what I said on the other podcast, her being upset with me that I sat here and gave credit to our quick success early is the fact that I had another podcast and the fact that I was sitting on a large social media following is me not stroking her ego. So sorry that I people are here with millions of followers in their podcast sucks. I think it's not me and you don't think it's our dynamic.

That's what I'm saying. That's so discrediting to what I do with you. Okay, but but listen, do you hear what she said? She's finally thank you, admitting that she felt discredited. And I've got to tell you, Mandy, beautiful, smart, lovely, you have to be not so itchy scratchy with your words, meaning don't take all the credit. And I didn't. The

interview was about me. They asked me about my my podcast before, they asked me about my blog that I had, before, they asked me about starting the podcast, how it started. There was a whole conversation. I felt like, absolutely for people, Okay, okay, I got it, and that to me is not Let's just say this, Yes, take some credit for yourself, but if you're about building a brand, and if you're about being professional and maintaining a relationship, you need to soften

it and also give credit for where you are. You're not the this. We we have five thousand listeners at this time, we weren't where we are now. We were where we are now because of Charlemagne andrew On brilliant idiots. You have got to stop saying that as well. We have got that is fine, but we have also put in a whole lot of work as listenership. Are we really not going to give that credit? No, we can absolutely give them credit. But that's a problem that I

think that you have. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't I don't care about them, I don't know what. Can we not talk about it? I'm closing. Okay, So this is what we're gonna do going forward. We're not calling names. Seriously, you two have had conflicts and some dude in Orlando. You're telling me that you have not learned anything from that time, from then till now. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt, but I have no no, no, no, no.

That's not how you talk to people. You don't say I'm sorry, your feelings are hurt and then a butt. I'm just having a hard time trying to express empathy when you go on Live saying that you want to fight me. You know my number, you know where I live, you know where work? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me tell you something of this? No, not, no, no, wheezy, what are you talking about? Really? This is since our conflict. This okay, okay, so Paust for a second, let let

us address this. First of all, you're both in your twenties. You both work at these whatever whatever, what great businesses whatever you're both making. I hear about it. Six figures. Tell me why you're acting like your street doctor, I will sit here and please, yes, and that's fine? So what what? What was fine? No? I'm no, I'm You said please and I said fine. As then I'm going to sit here and explain myself. There's no explanation for

threatening violence. I did not threaten violence. That is not what was said. And she was not on my life to hear that. Whether that was the message that would let me sit here and say exactly what I said at this point. This was after a text message that I had received to her where instead of apologizing to me because she now saw how hurt I was, I gotta. We don't like each other anyways. Fuck you go do

your own show and their screens. You said that one moment, one moment, one moment, one moment, you were trashed for telling me to get my own shows. She's super trash and you told me that I need to worry about our brand of the first thing you did was not that the phone on Twitter. Stop let me know, but don't trying to sit here and tell my my side. I have not gotten to say anything about Mike. Okay, can I can I just say this? Yes? Take it down all right here? Probably, And I say that because

I need for you to be calm. That's the only way in which the message will be heard, because otherwise all I'm hearing is noise. Both the narrative that is being put out is that I did not reach out to Alex or Wheezy about how I felt prior to going to social media. It's being narrated that I went straight to social media before speaking to both of them. I will sit here and say, Alex ignored my message. Alex is the cameraman that I apparently sucked for video

that this keep us. Can you translate that for me? What is fun for video means? So that's what was part of the joke, part of the prank that was insinuated about me on top of meet him fucking fifty pounds off of my way, I just had the gastric sleep, So wait, jokes was not funny to me. Secondly, there was an insinuation about us paying him a low amount of money because I was making up for it by fucking him for our video. This is what the prank was,

and this is what the joke was. I take this business and what I've done for this show very seriously. So what that joke and tell whether it was a prank or not, whether it's about him sucking me. I put a lot into horrible decisions. I edit our episodes. I've sat here and reached out to brands. I've done

I'm sorry, I've done a lot for this show. So yes, as someone who is a feminist, for her to be in a group of men where they're insinuating that's fine, that that I've fucked for our video, and for the narrative to also be brought to another podcast that we landed on loudspeaker because of who she may or may not have fucked. As a woman who has worked hard for this brand and who has not slept her way to get anything and has busted her ass, I genuinely

felt disrespected. From a business standpoint, me and Weezy are not friends, and that's fine. So the respect that I'm talking about doesn't have to be from a personal friendship level, but as your business partner. To laugh in a room of people making that joke and to not stop that, I felt like it was detrimental to me as a person who's trying to build her brand and detrimental to horrible decisions. Okay, so then you're you're you are contradicting yourself.

You're saying, on the one hand, you don't care on a personal level, it's just business. But you're saying that it does affect you on personal level. It affects me on it affects me personally in my own brand. That's what I'm saying me. I would like I would like for you to own the fact that it does affect you personally, because when people speak about us in a disparaging manner, it's hurtful. Yes, yes, okay, so forget you too,

being BFF or whatever the terminology is. You go way back, and so there's a bit of loyalty that is owed to that history, and you don't feel as though that's being honored. No, And I, given what I've heard, is that you have some unresolved issues anger issues towards her, and so you are more apt to allow those disparaging comments to be made. I will say that yes or no, but okay, fine, no, but yes absolutely. I feel like

the respect was me not entertaining it. And if I was in a room privately with no not miked uff with cameras, I wouldn't have This is the thing I feel like if Mandy was in that room without if guys were talking about me, she would join in with that stuffs up, not miked up. This is how Let me just get just just get let me let me get this out. No, no no, no, no no. I would never talk about Mandy without without phones, without cameras. I would Their respect I gave her that day was the same.

I would give you a private doing what you're doing. It's called a rationalization. You're making an excuse for your behavior. Right now you're talking. I still own that. I don't feel like you deserved me to do anything else, not the person you've been to me. Let me finish. You're rationalizing your behavior by coming up with the hypothetical it doesn't matter. It's fine. What she does in my face, then there's no rationality there. What she's done in my face?

What you do? You do? What you do? What you do? With going on these podcasts, it's like shopping all over the room. And you're not just shopping all over the room, you're shopping all over your brand the podcasts, Yes you do. How did I shoot on our brand? When she went on talking all the about every single person, we didn't, I said, I could not say you right now because of the angel way finger that I felt to me, I said, and the way that the way that I

know we speak and clearly you like this is. We tried this on Sunday, which, by the way, was the first time you called me since Thursday. Okay since Thursday, I called you every day since day. I called you. I asked, can I talk to you? Can I talk to you? I called you on the phone on top now you text stop talking now, so no, stop stop. That is unnecessary. That is unnecessary. Excuse me. I didn't go you until no, no, no, no, no stop stop. You each want to be the queen of nothing. I

just wanted to be over. I don't want to argue. Well then, well then you need to pause. You need to be more mindful, and you need to take ownership because you speak, in my observation, without thinking. You let words come out of your mouth that contradict previous words, and you're not You don't take accountability. I'm not saying the accountability I need to take for what I did I grant? What do? What did I do? What is

the accountability that everybody wants me to take? I should have debt the joke, yes, and you should have also owned with Mandy the fact that you're pissed from the past and that I said that I was very really trying to be honest in the moment, and now I feel like your honesty is only half honest, how because you're not speaking truthfully by saying situation in front of saying that you would defend your girl, your partner, but at the same time, you're okay when people disrespect her

because you have previous booth. See, here's the thing. I don't know to ever disrespect and that's what I feel like. I didn't know what's happening. I didn't feel like I did that, and I still know. What I'm saying to you and you're not listening is that you need to think before you speak. You have a habit of just defending yourself as though your life depended on it. So I'm humble enough to say what I'm wrong, and I

can understand again you're not. You have to pause because you're not taking most of what I'm saying in because you need to respond right away to defend yourself because you need to be right and you're not always right. And that's okay. I don't think. It's not about being right. I just don't want it to be misconstrued. Okay, so if you give pause for a second, allow yourself to digest it, maybe the words that you say will not be misconstrued. Okay, Well, what do you want me to speak?

I want? I want, I want. This is an exercise and your ability to just have some verbal chill, which you don't have. And that's what I meant by you're going on these other podcasts shipping all over the room. It's a it's a clinical and not so clinical term, which is that you're making a mess everywhere you go.

You create chaos. What other podcasts you're talking about that moment when the prank was played, That and Van Show and if you have I asked Van if Mandy wanted that cut out, to take it out, I'd asked him if you discussed this, I didn't want to do that. But this, this is the thing, This is a thing.

It didn't even need to be edited because it shouldn't have been said as a professional, as a person who's trying protect your brand and have some sense of loyalty to your girl from back in the day, whether or not you currently like her. You don't even answer the question. You don't entertain it. You could ask me a million questions. You can ask me a million questions. I can understand that the onus is on me whether or not I

want to answer it. Okay, I will. I will agree with you on that I could have dead it that so by doing but I didn't want to. And that's where the nastiness comes out. But I'll tell you why I didn't feel like it was because I said nothing bad about Mandy. I wished her nothing but good. I said, I wanted us to stay together. I said, we're stronger

together about what I did to her. You you, you're constantly undermining any kind of positive regard that you want to express to her on Van Show just now with your words. I said to you, if you could not have said it, would you have edited it? And you said yes, And and you said, well no, I wouldn't know because not that I was saying yes, I'm agreeing with you that yes, I could have debd it. I could have, but did I want to know because I wanted people to know that I didn't have ill feelings

towards her. Mandy had been on live every night talking about me going on Instagram. So I wanted people to know that I didn't harbor those emotions for her. Fun people, person, I can't say people were here. I don't want to be here. I'd rather be with you in private. Me excuse me? Fuck people. You don't owe them an explanation. You don't owe them an apology, and you don't know if I don't know them an explanation, why are we here? You owe it to her, And I wanted her to

hear me say that on a public platform. Excuse me. The public platform is not someone else's podcast. It's right. It was in the moment. It was a question, it's not you want to. That's why I'm going back to your ego being bigger than you can actually contain. Right now, you need to be more thoughtful and meditative as opposed to speaking quickly. Okay, can I so before we because I've been real quiet. I know and I know you're

gonna be in the hot seat soon. That's fine. What I need for you to do is to apologize to her directly for what can I be honest? And that's why I don't know. No, I don't want an apology because I'll be honest with you. I don't. I'm sorry you were hurt, but I'm not. I don't want that's what I'm sorry for it? Then don't. I don't want. I don't want to give an apology. Wheezy. Let me ask you a question. How many close friends do you

have in your life? And don't tell me the you know the people that who are her cast and a close first that person, no, be real with me. Someone who is your writer die you call them when you're feeling fucked up. My mom is one. Four Your mom doesn't count. Okay, so three and you want to know how they felt about this what happened? Absolutely not. I just I don't care about what their thoughts are about

this interaction. I care about how it is that you interact with them when there's conflict, not like I'm interacting with many. I didn't ask you that when I don't really have conflict with close friends because we're really communicative. Um, we call each other a lot anytime there's an issue. We don't really hold water with each other to make sure that it's not spilled, and we have long length

conversations about our feelings. Okay, so how long have you known these three people, one for twelve years, the other for five five years, the other two for five years. And so how is it that you can't utilize those same communication skills with Mandy because she doesn't give them to me? And I feel no, no, no no. I asked you that you see what you do? You're so tricky. I would I would charge you double what i'd usually pay because you're you just switch her out. I'm not

trying to switch it. I'm being honest with you. That's how I feel. They don't. We don't talk to each other like me, like Mandy talks to me. Why I don't excuse me. What you're doing again is you're constantly deflecting and making it about Mandy as opposed to you. Just ask me, why don't I do it with her? I said, why don't you do it with her? I didn't say, what does she do? Because I'm giving the same energy that she's giving me. My friends are very

sounds very lame, all right, That's what it is. My friends are speak Do you take any responsibility for the fact that that was one of the friends from five years is a therapist as well? I don't like it's relevant. My point My point is that the way in which you just responded was so quick and immature. She doesn't do it to me. What do we in middle school? So I'm gonna ask you again talk about it from your own person. It's not me trying to be immature. If it's If it makes me immature, then I will

take that. I can't give Mandy that same communicative the skills you're talking about, because I feel like when I talked to her it turns into this. So why am I going to talk to her like I talked to my other friends. I've tried to get those long length texts and be nice, asked for conversations, and they don't work. So you feel like there's no reciprocity. Yes, you are entitled to your feelings, Mandy. You can shake your head no,

but you can't. But you cannot take away from her subjective feelings, just like you don't want her to do the same for you, which is okay, that was probably a better I couldn't get that out, but that's that's what it is. If I do it, I feel like I don't get it back. Yes, it's not reciprocated. Um, Mandy has even there was one conversation, and I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. If you can remember, Mandy was angry about something I said, and

I told her, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to do this. Blah blah blah. She hung up the phone on me. She called me back and she said, you know what, I shouldn't have hung up on you. I was like, I was really sorry. She's like, I think when you're what you say is phony. I think the things you're doing is phony. She's like, and I shouldn't have done that. And I really, in the moment when I apologized, her meant it. And I appreciated that so much because I think that she assumes when I speak

to her this way, it's phony. But what would have been phony is me saying sorry. Because I do still feel like I can't understand, which is why I asked Mandy to speak first, because I want to greet it. Sweetie, you don't want to get it. That's that's for the thing, that's for the therapist. You don't want to get it. I think that you why do you think I don't want to get to think that you've dug a hole for yourself so much and you have so much bravada

to defend, and that you are not allowing yourself. Are you looking at me like that? She's not looking at you, she's looking at the cry whatever. It's so hard to look at you. You're talking about fighting me like stop, okay, stops later the victim, imlay victim. She's talking to me. Are you fucking kidding me? Mandy? You wear the whole charade. You're the reason we're sitting here, sitting here, I have not I have not. Fucking God, bro, Okay, I can't. I can't do this. Yes you can and you will.

All you do is ship on me, retweet all these people that agree with you. It's so fucking cheesy. You talking about Nicki Minaj. You are Nicki Minaj. Bro, you dug this hole. You cried on the sea, you talk about you. I can't believe you're doing this. Every time you get mad, you talked about doing another show. That's the only reason I said, get your own. You always do it and wait wait wait wait, and so that's woa wia woa. So but that's your issue, isn't it

that God that's so mad at me? I'm not using you away. You fucking always talked about how you want to do something else than do it. Don't be hearing me. If you don't want to wheezy will be wheezy. So the fact that she keeps threatening you, I'm not. I don't threaten to leave. I say I want to create another show, and I said that all the okay, I want to do it. Stop stop stop stop when you're mad you do that. No, I'm not. I came to a king month way even look me in the face

the fucking day you told me that. Are you serious? You were like you said, I hate working with her, I hate doing this. Your hilarious side is that is that a verific can We didn't chifiable. You didn't know that this is verifiable. We bring a king and that and I can't have Alex not you do this to me? All he not my best friend? This was okay, so step a king, okay, would not stay here aside. So I've been speaking to Yes, I've been speaking to multiple pull of my friends as well as the network about

doing another show. Okay, we do that before we started, way everone way before we started okay, so wait wait wait wayforea okay, so this is this is another. Another reason why there's so much tension and conflict is because you feel betrayed. I can wait wait no, no, let me finish. This is a this is a clinical interpretation. Okay, you feel betrayed Wheezy that she's going to go on her own and quite frankly, I heard you say on the Fish on this podcast that either one of you

could be gone. It's about the brand. The brand, okay, so stop stops up. So the reality is I don't care what you all say. It's the brand is nothing without the two of you. I agree with. That's magic. It's for either of us if I left it, she said, audition to replace me? So stop why not? It would be fine love for horrible decisions, okay, okay, talking about you, we're gonna leave, You're okay, so okay we can so I can't think of what I'm gonna do it, but you can sit here and talk about that. Why we

can't talk? No, no, no, that's where it gets where. And I can't plan. B when you were saying you wanted to leave and talk, when you just called me Sunday to sit here and say I called you and I did call. Stop stop stop stop. Can you too, just stop? You're so afraid that one is gonna leave the other. God, can't you just admit that ship? You're giving me a fucking headache? How does anyone anyone come in here and enjoy themselves? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical.

Both of you are like hurt sisters. That's the thing. You're like sisters, and sisters fight all the time. You cannot cannot cope with the fact that both of you have talents that can go outside of this place, and you're fearful that this, the core where you started, is gonna go to ship. You're afraid to be left. You're afraid to be left. You keep saying, no, I disagree

with you. I disagree with you. So I haven't been able to say anything about hey, how I felt at all um and furthermore, when I spoke on bringing the show, and this is where I also feel like there's an agenda to make me okay, okay, okay. I won't go that route. I won't go that route on this post. I'm gonna I'm thinking, I'm gonna think this. This is your time right now. It just needs you to listen. You're gonna be so mindful of your words. I will,

I will, I will do not be accusatory. No, that's fine, that's fine. UM, speak about your feelings. I don't want to hear my news. Okay, So if we go back to the feelings I think I shared on on how I felt UM when I heard the joke which has spared a lot of this. Okay, can I brought I brought that to you. Can we can we fast forward and we fast forward to that. UM. I shared my feelings with both Wheezy and Alex in a text while it was going on. I was called while this joke

was going on. UM. I was relayed by Andrew that hey, we're saying a prank that you fucked Alex. Okay, can you stop with that. I'm hearing you. I get it. Your feelings were hurt. Yes, I gotta ask you, do you think it is wise to lash out on social media? I don't. I'm not asking you about what Wheezy does. I'm asking you about this live snapchat. These tweets. Tell

me what was your intention? Answer the question? The intention of me going on to social media, which the Twitter, which is where I spewed UM, how I felt was too I would say, essentially to clear my name. At this point, this was UM about four or five o'clock in the afternoon, so the show had been aired and my mentions on social media, my Instagram, Alex's name was added up and down. Oh you smashed that you're using that blue choo on that Alex tapped that all through

my comments. So when I went onto Twitter, I want to clear my name and let it be known. At A I did not funk that man B I did definitely did not do it for for video time. And thirdly, I thought it was disrespectful that people who are a part of the Horrible Decisions brand sat there and laughed and let it and let it go on. That That's what I did with social media, Okay, So can you admit that it wasn't just about clearing your name. It was also to say why I felt the way I felt.

So it wasn't only about clearing my name. The other agenda was The other agenda was to sit here and share how I did not think it was a joke. I need for you to speak more truthfully. That's one layer underneath that. What was your spewing, as you said on social media about UM if are we going back to are we going into the lives now or still on Twitter? Because that's all it was. And then me and Alex went back and forth. I'm asking you, uh

you said social media. There's two points that she's brought up. The Twitter, which is where I brought up, and then the Instagram where I sat here and allegedly said I would be her ass, which was not what I said. I sat here and said because they asked have me in her talk? Why don't you go to Wheezy? So my response to that was at this point, she had already responded with the funk you we don't like each other anyway to get your own show. Okay, it's in

the texts. Stop stop stop stop? What was your agenda? Speak plainly? So my agenda was to sit here and share why I spewed what I did. No, you're not answering my question. Was it to say fuck you? Too easy? Was it was my agenda to say fuck you to Weezy? No? I don't. You can sit here and not think I

was truthful. But at this point I'm very upset with how people who are a part of my brand just treated me treated me on a public platform, and so what my agenda was to do was to sit here and actually show those emotions and sit here and say that yes I wasn't, and to sit here and clear my name and UM say no. So so say it was retaliatory. Yeah, no, I don't. I would not say it was retalent tory. She went on. She went on to apply, we're not talking about her. We're not talking

about her, we don't. We don't have to talk about her. That that show gets a quarter million listens. I gotta tell you. That's fine if you don't care. But it wasn't. But tell me it was any bit of what you put out there to her her feelings to herr feelings. No, she knows exactly how the funk I feel about her. So then why didn't you text it to me? Why did you do it? On? I absolutely texted to I sent her to I have. I have screenshots here which

I can't pull out. That's fine. I did bring them because I sat here and shared my thoughts about how I did not think it was a joke. And her response to me was no. Her response to me was, let me finished. Can I finished? I let you talk. Her response to me was it didn't even feel real.

Um and but okay, so wait wait wait, not only did it not feel real, she said between Joe Button and flagrant going on the Brilliant Idiots feed, this is great week week and it was because to me, To me, the fact that content and us getting numbers was weighed above how I would have tell you that here it would? I know? How about this? You never heard him? Maybe I didn't know you would be a podcast? So how about you knew I would be mad because you asked Andrews.

I did, but I didn't know you were going to react. And I did ask him to take it out. But you still okay? So eazy? Didn't you know that she would? She had a negative response that she her feelings would be her Yeah, and he took things out. I asked him to know, Yes he did. Don't tell me that you are in the room. Yes he did. Let me tell you something. If you had that much power about what it is that he edits out? No, I don't have that much power stop it. He wouldn't take the

stop it. I couldn't even get him to take out something I said incriminating a guy that I past. So how about this? I asked him to take out things I thought would be hurt and he would not remove the rest of it. He said, I'd have to take out the old episode and it was going forward. Would you do the same? There is no when Why did she when she well, it's because can you say I thought Mandy would be a jokingly funny like fuck y'all, blah blah blah. I never thought she would do that

for cameras. It wasn't it. No, can I say? Can I say to me? This is the analysis talk about west on our show? We talk about fine. Everything we talking about on my way and me fucking married men has nothing to do. You talked about sucking for things. That's fine. I will don't here if that's why I didn't think she would be mad not letting me finish, and why this is why I've sat here and gave me I gave you the floor for good damn near

fucking twenty five minutes and didn't say a thing. You know, this is what happens when this is why we cannot talk and I tell her, she she listens to respond, She doesn't listen to listen. She literally said she wanted to call me to understand how she felt, why I felt the way I felt about everything when you finished, let me finish. As soon as I picked up her call on Sunday, This air Thursday. This is our first

time talking. We spoke on Sunday three four days later, but before I could get a word, she said, listen, before you talk, I need to let you know. And she goes on for about four minutes. So you did not call to understand how I felt or why I took everything away as you called me to clear clear And I get right, I get it, I get it, get it, weren't wrong. And I O, well that you not wanting to know about my feelings. Bro no and and and wheezy when you say, well, it's gonna be

a good week, our numbers are gonna be up. And that's that's that also undermines the relationship professional and personal. That's how I took it, because you're more concerned. And actually I don't think you're more concerned with I think you have difficulty owning when you suck up. You have difficulty owning when you hurt people. You have difficulty owning that your communication skills are not great and can be I don't agree with you Okay, so myr communications so

many are poor. Yeah, okay. So when you call her, rather than to deal with the hard stuff her feelings, what you say is to get around it, oh girl, or nobody's gonna be up. No, no, no, what she's saying when I called her, when I talked about me? Okay, So that was just that was reaction. So how about this, How about the fact that you didn't do what you know needed to be done, Lawrence, an apology because when you called her up, you didn't ask about her feelings.

You made it about you one thousands stop. Sorry, I don't think that hard. I'm not trying to think hard for you to take ownership and apologize for that. Don't tell me you don't have any empathy about that. I'm not going to not apologize for that. Say, okay, I apologize for whoa whoa. Open your eyes m hm, open your eyes and look at her, because she's actually making

a genuine apology. I apologize for that call because I know when I called you, in my mind, I was reading what you were thinking happened, what you saying that I was disrespecting you, And all I wanted to do is let you know that's not what I meant. I wanted you to know that. I asked Andrew to take things out because I thought that would know and it was wrong what I did. I should have asked you, and I did that because I felt bade wheezy. You talked too fast, you talked too much. Go back to

what you just said. I was sorry for that, absolutely, I'm sorry for that. You do not apologize to me, because that would have never happened to me. Apologize to her. I'm sorry for calling you and talking about me first. Let us stick. It took minutes to get here. I will tell you this, if I were running Ellison, you both be gone. I can't. I would not entertain the shenanigans, the buffoonery. It's unnecessary. There are other people out in there, out in the world who are just as talented as you.

It is too much of a fucking headache to listen to this because you cannot take ownership for something so simple. This is about you talk about female empowerment. You can't even look each other in the face and apologize for something that you know you have done wrong. And it's it's okay to be wrong. I'm not saying that I'm not wrong, but you have such a hard time owning it, and it would be so much easier if you could just do that. I can't tell you I'm sorry. That's it.

That's it. It's not that I'm not saying that it's wrong, but I felt like I would have been empathetic. If that's all, we can't go on. I can't do it now, not after what I've heard you say, so I don't want an apologize to that you told me. I don't see you can't even stick with something good for two fucking minutes. How is that? This is really hard for me? I know it's really hard for you because you're asking because I've done so much apologizing. Are you fucking kidding me? All?

I dud what's easy? Wheezy, you get dead. You have a hard time apologizing. It's like you always have a problem with me, and that's why I'm feeling Mandy. You're like me. I need you to chew with the faces you Wheezy. Let me tell you something. You're not the bad guy, even though it feels that way so frustrating

with this ship. I understand that, Mandy, I feel like you think I hate you and I'm like, I feel so bad because I don't hate you, and I really feel sorry that you're feeling like this, but like, no, no, no, don't cut it, don't but it don't. I can't not but it because I know then you have to stop yourself. You have to stop yourself. I'm just so frustrated. Okay, then own that I don't want this to happen, but like, okay, I just if you want to do your own thing,

because you can't do this. But you said it, but you said it, but you've said it. I think I have not. She has done a lot of I heard you say no, no, no, and that stop. So I'm gonna allow us to go over maybe two seconds. I need for you to take in the fact that she has finally apologized. I didn't think it would take this way. I didn't crying because I feel so bad that you really feel like I just hate you, and the fact

that tears don't be unkind, I'm not. Yes, we spoke last nights for this to be an agenda right now to make me the victim or me the villain. I'm feeling okay because now I will speak, Can I speak? And and and no, you can't because I won't stay here and I'm not digging a hole. I'm not sitting here and say, who can we just pause for a second? Yes, we can pause. When's the last time you saw her cry? She cars all the time? What the funk? I cry all the time? You fucking cry on Instagram? You're really

doing this. I'm crying because I feel Baddy, You're hurt and I can't believe you don't know. Okay, Well you're saying I don't crying for me. Empty minutes into this, you called me like crying me because I really believe that you really think I don't respect you. Okay, So then tell her you do and you will, of course.

I okay, So stop, Mandy, And so going forward, are you willing to make a commitment to demonstrate that every single time you to interact, absolutely single time you to have a show, every single time you tweet something, be about it? Absolutely? Absolutely, of course I do. I will tell you I'm sorry if you felt like my reaction to you wasn't enough, but I was hurting that you did it on I'm okay, that's it was reactionary. I'm just trying to explain why I that's okay. I'm not

trying to not take the ship, so listen, listen. I'm not trying to not take ownership like Mandy. Listen to what she said, She's trying to take ownership. Yeah, it's not that, of course. I don't want to sit here and make you think that it's fuck you. I said that to you because I was angry at your reaction, right, just like you said you did it because you were angry. But that's why I did that, And I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings. And I'm crying because I can't

believe we're here. So I don't want to be on this fucking podcast doing this with you. I would rather be sitting in private, spending any fucking dollar I could to make it work. And I feel like there are things that are said on the mic. Okay, no, no, and that's fine, No, but I know this is true because what being said about me and what happened I

about me is a lie. That I sat here, Me wanting to do another show, is not me wanting to leave poor decisions, me sitting here wanting to wanting to do Like I've sat here and we had a conversation and that's fine, and I'm not self righteous. But me sitting here knowing that she's sitting here and crying, I get that. But I told her last night, and I told you last night, And I'll sit here and I'll sit here and tell you I have I have UM, I had my ears done. I'm sorry, I speak loud.

I have UM surgerin both my ears, have tubes in both of my ears, so I speak loud. UM. But I will sit here and say, we spoke last night, and I told you. No, I told you, Wheezy, my issues with you have been dealing with this podcast, and there are under Let me finish, there are underlying issues that you have with me. No, I know this, Let me finish. You brought it up to me last night.

You brought it up to me during episode. Okay, so wait, wait, wait, you brought up I don't give a funk about ship before a start to show you only you know because she's rying right now on the show. It's fun. I didn't say that I have to spoke last night. We spoke last night. Bro, Yes, you know what I think.

I think you can't tolerate the fact that she might actually care about She doesn't we we spoke last night, and she wanted to make sure that certain things were not brought up because she still feels ways about things that, Yes, you put me in a book. I didn't want to talk about it because you're talking shitty for that we weren't. And that's where I didn't want to bring up. I didn't want to say that it doesn't here. You weren't us. We were not. That's why I want to bring up

this bullshit because see that's what I'm saying. You can't sit here and tell me you feel one way on a mic and you're sitting here crying because you want to understand me when we ring, because I'm angry that we're here and I've tried she sat here and called. She hasn't cared about how I felt when I'm the one who called you. I want to called you last week. You've I don't want to ask to do there again.

I don't care about your reciprocity. How about this. If we cannot come to some kind of resolution within the next five minutes and is it five minutes or four minutes and seven seconds, then just throwing to tell what do you want for me to feel better? Like that's what I need to That's why I'm crying because when I said sorry to you, you all you said is I don't care. So what do you want me to do?

What do you want for me? That's why I'm crying because I feel like I will never get anywhere with you, and I feel like I'm looking at the end because I'm sitting here really telling you I'm sorry. You don't look me in the eye. You turn your face for me when I'm sorry, and tears come out because I'm seeing that it's over because you just don't. You don't believe me. Okay, so stop stop, Okay you don't. So

why do we do it? What three things you need from her going forward in order for this relationship to continue? Because she's putting it in your lap. Now. You're the one who has this laundry list, your receipts as they call it, of things that she's how she's wrong you, and you want to stand behind that and you want to be the person who was right. So can we shed that for now and come up with three concrete things that you need from her in order for this

relationship to be maintained, And please don't be accusatory. I don't have to be UM. For one, it would one thousand percent be the communication. UM, can you be more specific? So the communication as far as we've sat here in this room and when I talked before, I can sit here and say what I mean, she's responding to respond, So she's responding to what she's she's responding to respond or as I'm sorry, she's listening to respond, she's not

listening to listen. And I genuinely feel over the last year and a half with this business, whether it's from ideas, whether it's from disagreements that we've had off air on air, I genuinely feel like she listens to me to respond. Do you think no, no, no, no, no, Mandy let her finish. And no, that's not why she doesn't believe that you cried. So what you're saying, I'm gonna reframe it is you want to be heard. That is why you yell so loudly in addition to drink. But right,

you want to be heard by her. UM, just say okay, I'll say yes because you want to, but there's no way to. So you are really kind of so I imagine I kind of know what what what wheezy feels like I'm trying to be kind to you. I'm I'm being thoughtful. I'm saying, I'm paraphrasing it that you want to be heard, and then you try to obliterate what I say. I actually can you might have something there?

Holy cow, I do I do get that? And I will say, in part it probably is from my bias because I don't believe a lot of things that she says to me when she does try to be kind. So I will say that that is something that I possibly do do and I will admit to that. Okay. So it seems to me that there is a lack of trust. Okay, So trust needs to be real built, which is difficult. But I have a feeling that trust overall is an issue in your life, or a lack

of thereof. I would disagree with that, Okay. I have very long standing relationships with with friends, with family with like I would disagree with that. Okay. You can have very loyal people. Are you trusting of many? I'm okay? Maybe not? I mean, God, do you think I have I? Okay? I get that. Okay, So number one, yes, you want to be heard? What's number two? Um? Number two and it's something that has happened. Well, well we'll know whether long. If you said, what what I need from her in

order to make this work? Okay? So can we we can we do this instead of telling me look at wheezy and tell out wheezy wheezy. This is something that I've said before. I'm sorry, UM, I don't feel like, what do you need? Don't I need you to meet me halfway with this show? We have a partnership agreement and you do you have not so that's fine, all right, meet you halfway. What's the third thing? Okay? She said, we have fine menes. That's all I meant. I wasn't

trying to demonstrate. I just felt like there was a lot to unpack because you and I can I can I be the okay? So I said I was gonna go over a couple of minutes, be present. So you said, meeting you halfway with the partnership, can you be just a little bit more specific? I don't know. If this is something that you want to air out, that's fine.

I will sit here and be honest. Do we want to go No, no, no, no, no no, no, there's not a it's not a problem I genuinely feel and with speaking to her with this partner, I need her to meet me fifty halfway in terms of the business. Okay, when this show, When you say the business of the show, can you give me an example in Layman's terms that I I genuinely feel as though she's great on this show. You're you're great on this show and what you bring

to the show. No, I'm not saying, but I think you're great on this show as far as UM, what you say, your opinion, UM, the comedy that you bring to this show. UM, what I would need from you is more on the back end, and it's what I've told you multiple times. I feel like, as far as I'm sorry, I won't bring up that I've brought it up multiple times. I genuinely feel like, in my heart

you have your talent. As far as the leg work to this show, can you say it in a less host I'm sorry, As far as the leg work to this show, I genuinely don't feel like you've put in even a quarter w Why would you say to the vice journalists that you appreciate me and that you're lucky to have someone that will pick up when you fall. You said that to him, and I remember you say that to him, and so wait now you rename Okay, so so what did I know the terms of our agreement,

which is for you to say what you needed? And so no, you said, but she doesn't do You don't say what you need? You need for her to be more proactive and involved. Yes, okay, so clearly that is your four people say Forte is actually Ford. You know, teach her spell it out. That's what sisterhood and business partnerships are about. If if she's not doing it, perhaps it's because she doesn't think she has a skill, or

maybe she doesn't think she has a time. You speak to her in a kind way to get it done. I did. I haven't. Can I say an example of it? Because I don't think you know you're you're you're sitting in there huffing and puffing. But it's very much true. So you at first you don't succeed. Try try again. Do you have any children? No? I don't want any. Okay, do you have any children? Minus sitting outside? Do you know how many times I have to repeat myself and

lead by example and guide and show. Sometimes our peers require that you assume, because you're quite defensive and a perfectionists, that when people don't do their share it's because they are being dismissive of you. Perhaps there's another reason, and if you open your heart, not to sound cliche, but open your heart a bit more and try to explore it, maybe you'll get to the core as opposed to being accusatory. Okay,

what's number three? Sorry? I in order for this to go, I need you too deep in your heart, truthfully and honestly the baggage that you're holding. No, that's that's accusatory, but it's no story. That's accusatory. I need for you to say what you need, not what is a deficit, a perceived deficit. Talk about what you need. Make it simple. Well, then I'll say I need respect, okay, because you know what, even with all of this fluff and all the she's

you're a little runkin bumpkin. You both are. You're so sensitive. You think, but I think that you You don't even believe me, so I don't. Then why do you even ask? Yeah? Can I say something? So? Why am I here? You're just wasting money? You did it again, You did it again every time she makes an attempt. And I know past behavior informs present behavior perception. But you've got to give it a try. If you want even a modicum of this to work out, you've got to try. You

just asked me to bag. You've got to have a sense of faith. Yes, yes, how hard is it for you to be soft? I this is the problem. When I sit here and actually do hurt, or actually do show my emotions, then I get, well, you're not even the imo. Ho. I didn't think he was gonna be mad.

As a human being, I do hurt. I do get my emotions like bother So it bothers me that because I don't see here and show emotions or or talk about the men that I love, or I don't have these emotions for men that people just assume that she's gonna get over it. She's gonna laugh it off, she's not gonna be hurt. And I think that's bullshit because I do do I see here and show my emotions as much as others know. But when I see here and and receive something in private and then in front

of other people, I'm getting a different thing. Yes, I become frustrated. Yes, I can't take it in as genuine because behind closed doors and within our personal conversations, I'm over talked to or hung up on. We both hung up on each other. It goes to levels to where we're just trying to talk over each other and there

is no resolution. So when I come into a place or I stay here and my feelings are actually hurt, for that to not be acknowledged, for for me to be told you're not getting an apology for me, and for me to get a long thread, Oh so now you want to be emotional, You're just overreacting, And it's like, yes, I'm not the one that shows my emotions on this podcast, people bring it up all the time. I'm able to have sex without tying emotions to it, but I do

still want a certain level of respect from people. And when my things are hurt, specifically from people that I do business with, specifically from people that I helped put money into their pockets, that we make money together, from someone that I'm building something strong with, I absolutely want them to know that I am still human. And if I'm going to respond the way in a way that you knew I would respond, because you said you knew I would be upset, did you know, did you know

I would be this upset? No, but the fact, but the fact that when I showed my emotions you came to me and was like, well, I think reacting. Okay, I did get it, but but you tribute to the problem. See, because I don't show my emotions I am I'm very cold and I don't show my emotions with a lot of people. My mom was that way. This is this is how I am. No, no, no, no, it is how you are. But it doesn't have to be the way. It doesn't have to you don't always have to be

that way. And what you're doing is you do yourself a great disservice by presenting yourself as unbreakable. I'll agree to that. Yes, that was my mom. And so this one, this one reezy who has a heart, take time taking responsibility for being hurtful. She's going to hide behind that. Oh, Mandy's tough. So you need to share and be more open. You're asking her to be more open. You need to

do the same. And I don't know, maybe this whole podcast you two be in these like brazenly open sexually whatever it's it, it does you a disservice because it doesn't allow you to be who you truly are, and maybe that's something you two need to build upon with the podcast, is you can be brazen. You can have this open sexual energy and connect with people and stop bullshitting yourselves and saying that there's no emotion behind it,

because that's not true. So how do you feel about the fact that she is crying in front of you? I don't, of course. I mean, honestly, I'm surprised. I thought I would be the one and I did to cry. I I'm crying. Look at it, you crying. I feel so bad. You know. I feel really bad that you feel like this, okay, and no, no, I feel bad that you really think that. I feel badly that you think I hurt you. Yes, I feel badly that you

think I hurt you, and I think I said. I feel badly that I did hurt you because you have done. Of course, I feel badly that I did hurt you. I feel badly that you know, you said because I'm not emotional, you knew I would react that way. No, I didn't. I feel badly that I responded with you that way. Sometimes I do have to be softer too, but I think I've just felt maybe I don't know what the word is. Maybe I didn't feel remorse because I was already harboring feelings for things that I feel

like I went through on the show. For the most part, on the show, I feel like I'm the one who's super emotional. So when you reacted that way and went crazy, yes, I was like fuck you because I felt like you said suck me. I just the one thing that I could ever say that I want from you is just to call me first. And I feel like the reason I've been so upset with you is because when we talk, you bring up other people. A King said, my friends say, Van says, Mal says, I don't care. I want to

know what you think. Are you taking in everything she's saying. I gotta say it appears quite genuine to me. Can you accept her apology? And I need for you to tap into the softer party yourself, not the cold mother pushing people away. This is your opportunity. There's a lot going on in my head right now. Why would I want to come on here and cry in front of

you and all these people on there. I didn't mean it. Okay, stop, Mandy, It's hard it's hard, but I need for you to embrace the fact that Wheezy is actually being genuine and caring. I can acknowledge that, Okay, can you say it to her, not to me? I don't. I can see here and say I'm acknowledging what you're saying. And I'm going to stop there because I know that I'm not able to

say it, but right which is so I want. I want to say, I do appreciate you acknowledging a us getting to where we are right now, because I feel like it's been a huge detriment to how we have been communicating over the last year and a half. We sat here at episode five ready to give in. We've sat here at episodes sixteen, seventeen ready to give it. We've sat here at episode thirty and try and and

almost given in. So you sitting here and acknowledging that I appreciate that and moving forward if this is something to where you can't sit here and look at me as a human being, even if it's someone that you don't like, look at me as that human being, knowing that I have feelings, knowing that I have emotions, and even if we're not friends, those three close friends to you,

look at me and when you do things. I just want you to say, with my three best friends, like if I did this to them, because even though we're not friends, even though we're not friends, wheezy, this is this is a business and this is no. No, not only that, I feel like our relation and ship and the things that we go through are much more than a marriage. They're much more than a friendship, so much

more than a lot of other types of relationships. Many Mandy, are you going to do the same Yes, yes, yes, because you've told you moving forward, moving moving. You said you're the only person we were in that meeting with Christmas. Yes we weren't. You told me we weren't treat you like this. You're the only thing I absolutely stand by that I had, Mandy, stop stop stop, you see she's throwing me under the bus. I said, you told me you can't do this for me to my face. I

literally have one minute. Just did it. You just did it. You had to break through and then you can't touch ate the feel good emotions. You can't. What was said. I need for you to say that going forward, you're going to extend to her the same respect that you deserve and want and don't tell me you've always No. No, that's fine, but say, can I sit here and say that there was a misunderstanding and I want that has

to be clear before we move forward. I sat here and said that that is something that I'm willing to do. What was misconstrued in what was said was that I don't have this energy or interaction or relationship with anyone the way that I do you in my life currently. That is what was said. That's why I treat you this way. I don't treat you a way. We have

no way of communication. But we've gotten past that. So that's what I'm telling you that I'm sitting here telling you to your face that I'm willing to do that and I have. But in terms of but stop, I'm willing to do that and I have. Are you willing to work with her as well? Absolutely? Okay, So this guy's falling asleep. I have a headache. I've got to say. This is way past my bedtime mine too. Thank you

for coming. Can I shake your hand now? I don't know why you didn't run again, because we tend not to. My therapist is uncomfortable and I hugg her after, so I get it. You go to therapy all the time. Holy cow, does this person listen to your podcast? Actually, I had a therapist. I found a black woman and I'd literally google to African American therapists. And she sent me a message and said that, so I had vented about many before about when we had our first argument,

what should I do? And she said, after listening to your show, I feel biased and I can't help you anymore. She said that she started listening to our reactions with each other and now she felt like she would take a side because she's heard it instead of just being my therapist. That's very bizarre. It's all fodder. She let me go because she started listening to the show. All right,

you each seemed to find someone to talk to. I think that there's a brilliance and the magic that can be developed and maintained if you allow yourselves to be more vulnerable, and you know all the sexual escapades as a clinician, it says to me that there's a fear of that communication vulnerability, especially with each other when we're well, yeah, that well, that's plain. It's not easy to be vulnerable

and take ego out of something. When you have a camera and Mike's camera, I don't know, every every week. It's not easy for us to be vulnerable, I think with each other, which is I try, but it's not hard. You try harder because you're you're quite well defended. And it's like you could make my brain just like actually internally combust trying to keep up with you in your verbiage. And I say that because it's indicative of intelligence, and you can be kind of terrifying if one were to

be scared. So I'm not gonna ask for a hug, but can you at least give each other handshake? No, of course, Like, okay, that's weird. So how about a hug. Yeah, that's fine. A hug, hug, hug, hug, a long overdue. Well, you guys can instagram miss for real, for real. And I don't want to be called in again. And I adore the both of you. Thank you, and I need for you to call each other on the phone. No more, no more texting. It's so important. I think that's a

good rule. Please, I'm gonna start crying. Yeah, oh this is like my number one rule. Oh god, this is so this is the last thank you? Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So rod is gonna give each other hugs. I guess as many of you guys who listened to the show have picked up through the tension and the jabs and the shade that we throw on a weekly basis. Um, this has been a long time coming. Um for everyone who was writing to us saying that the demise of horrible Decisions was to an end and blaming Andrew and

blaming guys for getting between us. I want you to guys to know that that has not happened. You know, we should ask for sorry to cut you off. But if you're listening to this and you made it towards the end, and if you don't know how they made it to that, I think you can understand that Mean Mandy have been very influenced and I think you'd agree. By when someone writes us something, it's very hard not to respond. I'm feeling better right now. I don't know

if you are. I feel like, do you understand that it was hard for me to get the sorry O I did? And um, I really want to say what I didn't think I would get that from you. And so while while I know like the energy with her here and you're not wanting other people in the room and genuinely the last two weeks and what has transpired. Not only did I come in here not wanting that apology, I felt like I didn't want the apology for what happened on Flagrant, but you really acknowledging that I'm sorry.

You know I know, but you acknowledging that you know you, you understand now where I'm coming from, and that I am human, and that I was really more hurt, not even with the joke, but everything that transpired after. And yes, I'm cold hearted, Yes I don't show emotions a lot, but you sitting here acknowledging the fact that I did, and maybe you could have responded differently. I appreciate that.

Now I know you and knowing you were upset, I feel like Mandy reacted, and I reacted like Mandy, like I. There are certain ways we should handle it, and actually is exactly how you you actually reacted, exactly how I would have reacted to anything. I didn't overreact. The only reason I called you is because I knew that hurt came from you thinking I didn't defend you, and I thought that if I brought up would happen after that you would know that. I genuinely felt like you would

be hurt. I asked him, and I think Andrew not not to shade Andrew, but he started making me feel like you would think it wasn't a big deal, right, I said, Mandy's gonna be pissed? Can I can? I tell you real quick in your face, because but you have known me since I was fourteen fifteen years old, real quick, because I want to throw this out there real quick, because you've said often but you didn't know if it was true or not. My nigga, And I'll stay here and say, because my nigga, you've known me

since I was sixteen? Did you see the way I don't give a fun the cameras were on Sarah. I really did thinking in the moment, even my nigga, let's go back to me being sixteen years old. I don't I'm gonna be you know, god damn well, real quick, I went and let that nigga suck on my titties. So for you to really sit here and say you didn't know, you know goddamn well that I had, I would never did you think that when you saw the video? Did you did that? Did you think for a second

that I'm gonna tell you why. I was already too mad. Andrew was sitting I mean, Alex was sitting right there, and I looked at him like what and then Alex is doing this face like I get it. I get it, it's a joke. But my nigga, I'm talking to you as someone not in podcasting, as someone who's known me since I was sixteen years old. You know, God damn well, I would have never when Alex came to the first episode that we did with Anthony, we both were like, oh,

he's cute. I thought maybe it happened. I don't know. I didn't know what was going on in my head. It just felt so real, bro. How many times I talked about my height limit bro, like that nigga, not even six ft chill bro, no, but in real life. And I think that that's why when you came at me like it, didn't know if it was real. I went I went back to us being sixteen years old, wheezy, because you know, a whole bunch of niggas that I have fucked and not now one resembles looks is in

the pay grade. Okay, pay grade, My bad my man, my bad. Alex, that's fine, that's fine. I just want to say, that's fine. Alex is really nice. Do you know what I started going through my head? We had argued about things without because we were deciding when we wanted to do a video, do we need this expense to we do this whatever? I was like, maybe this is why she'd be getting so mad at him and be talking to him so spicy because they fucked. You

don't understand what I was thinking in my head. That is exactly why it towards the end, because they had me so convinced, I said to him, did you really me any And by the way they thought it was cut off? He said, we have to leave that in there, so it's it's in there. But here's what happened and why I think I. I was surprised at your reaction. When I was sitting with Andrew's like, dude, we gotta take it out. He's like, we would have to cut out the whole episode. Trust me, this is a podcasting

for me. This is gonna be great. People gonna click, this is gonna be okay. And you know how Andrew made you. Andrew diffused the situation with you and him, so you can understand how you did it with me. I did feel better, so I thought when I text you and said, Andrew got the gift to gap. Your gift to gap, Andrew got the whole as gift to gap. He when I text you that night and I said, hey,

don't worry, this is gonna be okay. It was because it was right after I text I had got off the phone with Andrew, I think, right it when he got out of the car and I was saying we shouldn't do this, blah blah blah. Um. It made me text you because I said, let me defuse this so she'll feel better. Because what would I think if I was sitting there when I got called twice? People said there was a prince. So I said, let me just make her feel better, right, let me just say this

right now. And then when you heard it to have been so upset. I don't know if you would have called me. I know, and I mean I don't want to give any more shine than we have to to that situation. Oh wait, wait, no, I said this to say I don't want you guys to sit here and then listen to this and say who else was wrong? More like I think that that's gonna be worse to continue this conversation, and I want to try to make

a commitment. I'm gonna say try because I feel like someone's gonna tell me, oh, well, you hate that bit, and I'm gonna have to reply I really, but we're gonna do it anyway. I don't want it to keep going. And I feel like this is better and and it's good. I mean, I don't know, I think. And the only reason I got mad at you and I said that everyone thing is because I wanted you to feel like this is good between me and you, not because someone which is which is what I want. So moving forward, UM,

please don't sit in talking. No, I mean, even in

the comments, they're gonna say what they're gonna say. There's trolls, people, people feel the need to choose between us um and as everyone has reiterated to us, this show could not be this show without the two of us um and so whether you was about the audition, from my role, whether I was going to do anything else, UM, I do just want to reiterate that, more so than anything, what me and Wheezy have been able to bring to the culture, to the lives of our listeners, to the couples,

to the single people, to the virgins. I think that that means way more to both Wheezy and I. Um. Then I think anything with with anything, it's literally the only reason um. And I've said it multiple times that our listeners and the emails and how we have touched people all over the world because Jesus Christ, it's it's global. Is why I stay and why I'm willing to sit here across from I'm not gonna say your government, but Wheezy w TF and and try to to get this

this thing going. Um. Also, furthermore, UM, I do want to just give a quick shout out because they're really good friends of mine, Mall Rory and the Joe Button podcast. I listened to that episode before they got their Spotify deal, and Joe sat there and said that they didn't record one week because they yelled in a parking lot because they could not agree creativily. I reached out to other other podcasters too, UM, very very I talked to you

as well. UM, this happens, but but you know what, I I liked that people could and even my friends the three closest ones I've talked to everyone was able to be unbiased with me and give me opinions. I had to take my ego out of a lot of things because, like I was saying, your reaction made me want to read. We made me go back and forth. And it's not easy with social media, you know, people saying things to you and getting in your head. And I'm glad we have those friends that are doing bigger

things than us that we can come to. We're lucky for that. And I think I only mentioned everyone because I guess it doesn't make me feel good when you would say everyone is telling me this is good and that I shouldn't leave. I don't want people to have to tell you that. But it's it's also the listeners, which is which is why I brought that up, like

when when? And I'm not gonna dig into things that I've hated that were said between either of us, but I will say that even starting this this podcast, in the very beginning, I was taking seven classes, I was working a lot of hours. I said, weely, I know you want to do this, but in six months, if

we ain't getting money, I'm out. And I said that before that, we we were ready before that we weren't bringing in money, work we're She mentioned something about me not wanting you to go, and of course I want you to leave. But when I brought up the other show, I think that the first time you said it to me was when we were feeling heated after that New York Live show. That was the first time you said it to me. So even if you thought about it before,

we weren't talking about it. And I only said what I said on Van not to make it seem dismissive, but because you are a bigger social media person than me, so I know that you will do more things than me. You've talked about wanting to do shows or BT or pilots or whatever, and I want you to know that I you being great and you're doing great things doesn't hurt anything we do, and I want you to be great. I don't want you to not do your own thing.

And I I think when I was angry about it, it was because I felt like you were doing it to say, well, fuck it, maybe I could just kick this to the curb and do something else, because that's you never brought it up to me. Otherwise we were arguing, and then you brought it up like, And that's why when I said I would shout it out always. It's because when you said you were going to leave and then you mentioned another show and people were like, how

could she do this? I was like, I would, to the death of me, be like, it wouldn't matter how you react to towards me, because people listen for me and you and both of us. I want you to win. You you're going to start this other podcast I wanted to do. Really, I want it because this ended so well. I don't want this conversation to keep going the way it's going right now. No, I'm just saying that I want everything you do to be good, and I don't

want you from listening to that. And I appreciate that I make it in a shitty way because I don't mean it in that way. That's that's the only thing I want to say. I'll take it at face value right now for what you're saying. And I appreciate that. Um again, because I don't I don't want to spiral

this into a whole another fucking discussion or debate. UM. But again, whether um Wheezy goes and decides she wants to be creative in her own little space, or whether I want to go into the corner and my own little space and create more. Um. Again, I just want to say that horrible decisions. UM. We'll continue and we'll continue to bring the content, the kinks, UM and the guests that you guys love. So UM, I guess we're gonna go ahead and wrap that up. This is way

longer than it needed to know. If you guys hear an episode, Mandy was in Chicago for a while and traveling a lot this summer. If you hear an episode of Me alone, it was prerecorded. It is not mean we're breaking up. We've just had it sitting there and now everything is blown up. So we've been worried about put it out because we're like, what they're gonna think they'll be episode soon to come where Mandy was out

of town, so I recorded it. And if you guys do hear separate episodes ever, please understand that Mandy works a lot. I don't even I used to work more than more hours in you now I don't well because I was taking seven classes and working. It is Thursday, I'm at fifty five hours. It's Thursdays, and I'm supposed to be working Saturday and Sunday though. It's just because we don't want to leave you guys with a day without content. And we've made commitments to do that. Something

you complain about, Oh you've prerecorded ship. This is something that we're doing just so every Monday you can still have horrible decisions. We don't want to leave you out. We don't want to be inconsistent. So one day you hear Mandy without me, or you hear me without Mandy, you don't have to trip freak ask why it's happening. Like we don't only podcast most of the podcasts. I feel like we all listen to that's all they do. They're creatives. They don't have to work ninety five. We

still do. And so that's why sometimes schedules are conflicting. That's why you can hear solo things. And I just want to clear that up if you hear it soon enough. All right, So we're gonna go ahead and UM say, since turn our breaking up Patreon, you can give us spotts a month to mobile bullshit. I guess both say. This has been yet another episode of horrible decisions by