Ep186: Male Bisexuality & a Pillow Case Feat Redd the Model

do you know the last month? I no bullshit. One of the side projects I'm working on, Um, I'm writing where the person is an actor in the in the script I'm working on, and they do a lot of different voices, and my favorite one is Milan. Oh my god, she just said her favorite person is Milannia Trump White. Run it back, run it back back hurt. Her accents so fun and she's such a fun person to do because like as someone that like everybody's like talking about.

Oh my god, first lady, she's so classy. Remember that share with her fingers. I want to say that, Well, yes they do. They use to maga Twitter, which I love clicking on the hashtag because I like to see how racist people are because when I get bored, I'm like, let me talk to him. All of them be like, look at her, gorgeous lady, she's so this, look how she carries herself, and I just really want to throw

her wop on top of that. Well, if you want to randomly curse out uh maga, twitter and racist, I want to go ahead and curse out the whore hid bitches. I'll see here and tell y'all to get the funk off my taking ass pussy because apparently y'all are upset that a bitch found love in a hard place. No bitch, because he's an aquarious And apparently y'all know I don't do the stars and moons, but I heard aquarious people don't really show or tell their truth. Know he I

think he tells the truth. He just he's just one of those where he's like, you know how I feel because I show you how I feel, And so I think if I say I love you, I don't think I'm gonna get it back to be there old days and aquarious and there we are a relationship birth from a fight, Like I was like, oh n, I'm done with your ass, right we haven't fought yet, and then and this was about six that's what comes out at least all right, See, I don't want to keep no no, no,

no no, it's not toxic because sometimes people need to lose it to bro it was twenty four hours. It happened when we were in Detroit. We were in Detroit and I was like so depressed because it was a huge fight that Nigga called me and he was like, I cannot live my life without you. I'm a fucking idiot. I'm in love with you. Da da da da da da da. He was like, I don't know what the funk.

I was thinking, that's funny that you say all these things because when we refer back to page I can recall you just say, we're talking, we're kicking it even though we're meeting families and doing Thanksgiving anything ease, and you're talking about how we're not, Like are we not? You got you? My girl? Let you wait a second? How did my brand turn into your rant? Let me finish what I mean? Actually just want to take over my rant about her? Nigga. I was very pulled into.

I was like, mind you which that trigger Aquarius. But for the for the running time of this podcast, we has had her boyfriends along the way. This is my first one. And mind you, we had our Patreon recording and motherfucking Siggy hots on there and was like, can we get single Mandy back? Because I don't know if I like this new Mandy bitch. And I'm like, listen, but I'm not. I want to think I go to the sex club. But no, here's the thing. You can

be slotted out with your nigga. And when we get to the motherfucking hor dirt, all my horddrts like me that y'all been rocking with the motherfucking beat June and all this little other ship come from my niggas. I don't think that's the issue. What is the issue? Bro? I think the issue? Tell no, I think that it's because it has always been an opposing side, like Mandy's been single Mandy, relationship, Mandy whatever, And now people don't know what to do because what's happening is you're it's

almost like the person that they knew I'm still here. No, no, no, But that's a real thing. That's a real thing because celebrities, a lot of them, like when they're known as like heart throbs and all that stuff, they stay single or they or they're single publicly when they're really in a relationship, because because their fan base is not gonna want them if they're in a relationship. Stories, it's the attitude, right,

want me happy, They like the fantasy of you. But you were always talking about went off on the show about people that fucking post relationship. But that's the thing. I have not posted me and my niggas, but you like about him NonStop and you posted him on Patreon. I mean, now you see that, really you know? It's now you see like when you have someone that you want to like, celebrate and you feel like it's you can't you almost can't stop, like you want to share it.

It's like when something good happens to you, like you. It's not even like a flexing type of thing. In my opinion, I don't think people can show off about their relationships. I believe people just want to share. That's what I'm talking about. I want to say the whore high because I feel like they didn't want me to be happy. Y'all really just wanted me to be a single. It's that married niggas forever ship that you were saying. I'm not you thirty, y'all still want me to be

sucking up on Mary niggas forever. It's just the ship you were saying does not equate with one. But I'm still eating booty, I'm still getting fucked in the ass. I'm still going to sex clubs. We had a whole eight person orgy that I shared with Patreon. Y'all. I am still out here getting let the funk out by my niggers. I think everyone's he had asshole eating it. I think everybody is okay with that bit. He been over on all fours the last time we went to

the sex club and say eat my ass. I ate his ass and then I sucked the guy while my whole face was in his boot hole. Wolf. Okay on that note. Anyways, guys and you, uh we do bo You included in my red So I'm gonna go ahead and introduce y'all, we have a third person joining us today. I'm super excited to have this conversation. We is joined by reds Why because you ain't red? Right? Everybody says that.

Everybody says that this is something that spans back to when I first started modeling UM and basically nobody knew who I was. I was very new to the scene. We were doing this fashion show. I had on all read and I didn't know what to do, and so people just started referencing me by the color because I started reference Hey, polka dots. Yeah, I'm so Dallas. That's what they else. But you don't like niggas be like hey red shirt. No no, because it started like, hey,

don't do that. Don't do that, bitch, don't do that. No. It started because I started calling this girl keys because she had her keys on and while she was doing her walk that's always jingling. The whole time I was calling her keys and she was calling me Red. People trying to find me. So we don't give it that. We will make up and make it relevant. Great shorts, everybody can have great shorts on, but you know who

they're talking about. So I was gonna say, I'm excited, guys, because we're about to have UM dive into during the Horrible Decision, a conversation on bisexuality, specifically in the black community. UM and so Red is here to join us in that conversation, and I'm just I'm super excited. I got some questions UM from our audience on Instagram, but also Weezy and I have wanted to have this conversation for so long, um, and so I'm really glad to be

having this with you. But also this it really stemmed from us asking for a buy guy to come on because of the whole Jeffrey Star thing with people either saying like, oh, how because he looks masked or or

why or it can't be true. And it's all of that ship that we thought about right like we've been seeing it I think in media and pop culture, whether it be I May Destroy You or Insecure and especially us talking about like by fantasies or mmf by three species And that's and that's the thing, especially with me again, I joked pegg the stallion of your nickname early on. Of course, I think we brought it up an episode

two that pegging was something that I enjoyed. And that's been a common question because a lot of the men that I've done this to do identify a straight So even the conversation of your masculinity and your hetero normal like your hetero sexuality being in your Buddha hole. So we're gonna talk about that later on, but you know, I want to just say very quickly that I really appreciate you saying that we could ask you whatever you want because it's just on my mind. And once I

say it, I'm done. Who do you get better head to? What do you think you're better at? Starting? Alright? Anymore? I love that? Um, I think personally I'm better sucking so much easy, it's easy, it's easier. I'm suffer. But because I would say that, and I would say I think men suck better dick than women because we have it and we know what we want done to it, and so we know how to replicate that on another person.

I don't have a but I feel like I do a way better than Now that's some women that got got that throat like yeah, but a lot of people are like a lot of women don't know how to like suck dick properly. So here's wasn't too much porn porn. A lot of women that we even had on his guests of the show, they don't enjoy sucking. So I feel like in order to be a good dick sucker,

you have to enjoy doing it. Is because of the stigma th like of like not being nerdy, like you know what I'm saying, Like I do have a question for you. This is how you're asking the questions already. But this is a really embarrassing story that I haven't been wanting to tell on the podcast because I can't believe it because I'm so ashamed. But I have to tell it because I just want you guys to know. Don't doubt me. His dick is huge. Please understand, as

my mother said, she knows it's genetic. I'm top five dick sucker. Oh Bay called me top three. I think it really means number one, but he don't want to tell me. And that what's it call loverboy too? So hospital dick you've heard me talk about. We recently had a conversation. But we had a conversation put you in the hospital. He didn't put me in the hospital. The

mic was too close. So we started talking about dick sucking and about how he knows like his dick is huge, right, particularly like the girl that I want to know what's used, because I think women have a different idea of what little take it, like that he literally put a bit in the hospital. Okay, too tilted uterus, Um, here's the issue. He said to me that I cut his dick before I was like, why wouldn't you tell me that I cut your dick with my teeth? And I know there

because you got an over byte know. He was like. I was like, have you always been feeling under? He said, he always feels teeth. I'm like with me, he's like everybody. He's like, it takes a special type of person and not feel their teeth. And he's like, so I don't say anything. I'm like, what does it feel like? He's like, it just felt like males. He never told me this. When I was working with him, right and I was in shock. He's like, because I know you love to

do it and you it feels good. He's like, but yeah, I was so embarrassed me. He said that he went to the there was a blood bitch. Believe you if you we got to demote you to talk say it was a bad day. He said. Everybody stuck his dick and he felt teeth. I ain't gonna hold you. I put King Noir's mold in my mouth. I couldn't get past the head. So that's why was like, thank god we never did. I think I'll tell you it's a it's a little bit smaller than Kingo's I've had it

in my head nigga's dick is ginormous. So so this is a big dick to me like that, that's that's not a no, it's a he is a two hand dick. Upset, but no, even that's too big. Okay, y'all are watching on the YouTube. This is the tester to know if you've got a big old dick or not. And it's we're not even talking about length. We're talking about girls. Niggas don't need to do you know when you got no niggas don't maybe thinking that's why that little go

wrap a be bagging on the ass. So if you can't put your hand around your dick, so okay, if you put your hand around your dick and your fingers touch your dick, is like it's normal. If normal, it's normal. If if a woman or you put your hand around your dick and there's a little gap between the fingers, that's when you know you got a big old dick, so your teeth could eaty. I just want to say, we're about to normalize. Bit and didn't do something jaw exercises.

I'm a legendary dick sucker, though dog and when he told me that I was so upset, bro, I had to textas nigga like, so how long did it take me? Feel? Like? What the fun? I'm dead All We're gonna go ahead and get into our vanilla ship, guys, and I am going to be inserting a clip because I recently posted

it to our Horrible Decisions page. But little did you guys know, bisexuality has been in hip hop since forever um, So we're gonna go ahead and play the little clip now and just listen to all some of your top classics, your favorite rap artists, and the ship that they motherfucking say just walk protected by Niven. Let me tell you something. You might got more cash than me, but you might got the skills to eat and they can act like me. You look so I've never had before. But he told

me to push you. Alright, So there we go. That's what it was. I'm gonna do like, you know, a little a little fancy stuff at the end. But basically I wanted to bring this up because there's a lot of uh, I don't want to say gay, I'll say bisexual because these are a lot of openly hetero men, but they put some such stuff I guess in their rhymes. I also wanted to talk about how recently it's kind of been a trend for for men as specifically in the music industry to come out as bi sexual or gay.

So we have low Nozacs, of course, we have Frank Ocean Tyler the Creator. It's also been something with athletes recently coming out Michael Michael, Sam Michael, you ain't gonna know the niggas, she said, touchdown in basketball. So it's been kind of, um, trendy, kind of like you said, a lot of people just being more open with sharing, uh, their sexuality. So I wanted to know how that has kind of affected you and do you feel like it is trendy and not genuine with people coming out about

their sexualities in the music and media industry. What are your thoughts on kind of again this trend. So I definitely feel like I don't know if I would necessarily use trendy. I think it's definitely becoming a little more acceptable and people are seeing, uh, like they're seeing an avenue.

We're like, oh, shoot, I can get in and not get like crucified necessarily for telling my truth, whereas they've always had to hide that ship, you know, And so I think society makes it hard for people to just be authentically themselves. And because we have decided you mess with a dude one time, you're gay. You mess with you even think about this, you're gay. Everything you do

that's not super hyper masculine is gay. And so people don't want to be labeled that if that's not their truth necessary, or even if it is, they don't want to be ostracized for it. And so now that it's they're seeing people successfully come out and still have successful careers, they're they're jumping on right. And I think, Um, one of Frank Ocean's biggest um songs, what was it? It was?

I want to say I was thinking about you, but one of them was about a man, and he was singing about a man and it came out and I mean, ship people still listen to Frank Ocean, like Ludvandro songs is about man. People are not gonna admit that. People not gonna admit that. I think there's even a lyric he has about him holding him or something like that. Yeah, but it's also crazy. Well, if we go into all of that, y'all love a good Malcolm X. But Malcolm

exos that turn the tricks in the photo holes. Yeah, like, and that's when he was known as what red he was he was bisexual and that's something it's so crazy because love maybe it was gay as hill what that's crazy in the straits around here getting married to him. But just let's be clear, gauge, just do everything right, do they not? Okay, let's let's go by the list. I'm going with you. Let's go take me down there.

Anything we are all wearing in this room, including the homophobe niggas walking on the street, was chosen for us by a gay man. Let's be real, dog, I'm not gonna I am wearing this nigga and he's questionable. And all that colored orange orange in the room, that was like, we're not going with jail house orange. We're gonna go with a little bit lighter strange. If this ain't the devil worst product, you think that blue is just something.

I just I think that a lot of people don't give credit to all the things that are circling in their life. They probably were influenced by somebody. Get not to mention corsic, you know what I mean? Specifically, music, um and like I said, even in the clip that that I gave, Oh my god, there's um one one where he says he talks about doing it, but as long as it's in jail, it's not gay. But we learned it from jail to go from behind and just a whole uca. That's the annoying part too, about the

jail thing. Desperation doesn't make you want to suck dick. You had it in yet you okay? Well, okay, so can we have that conversation real quick because you don't want to use the date drug dealers. So I know them niggas was in jail one time and they probably sucked a little dick or I told you. I don't think.

I told my friend used to date somebody in jail, and I ain't gonna say his name because he don't know what I but he said that when he was in jail, they would put pictures of their loved ones on the backs of the niggas that they would fuck, and so they wouldn't necessarily feel like they were sucking a guy, but just to feel that penetrations close your eyes, what do you close your eyes? I mean they want to imagine they sucking They loved ones. Well, yeah, I said,

that's fine. I mean because again, being gay or it's not about the act, it's about like what you feel, what you like, what you're attracted to, Like that's where it stems from. So it's like, just because you fucking nigger one time, like that don't make you gaynsa in in the sex club about that. He listened to our episode. So I went to the sex club and this guy was like, I'm a bone to pick with you. Uh.

There was just a guy in the CYD club. I'm not gonna bring up his name, but he came to me and wanted to have the conversation and by about bisexuality because he identifies as by. But he also is like, I would never be with a man, so I'm not fully by. He says, just because a man fox man, that doesn't make him by if he wouldn't be romantic, please, I also would never be with the Republicand bitch, let's

be real, what does that mean. That's just such an exhausting Like I get so annoyed with that because people equate like I'll be with you as the standard to how gay you are them to me like, yes, maybe you feel like there's maybe there's something about a man that you don't see as ideal for you and a partner. You've been comments about not being with a woman, but

you never equate it too. You've talked about, like I see myself with a man, You'll see that it's not like, oh, I'm not that gay because I won't be with a girl. Like I just think that that notion of it is strange. It is they always separate that stuff like romance and like sexual, like what you're actually doing because I think there's something like by romantic and like there's all these different terms that they're coming out with, curious, curious on

the road. I don't know, like I'm not totally hit with all the lingo, but I know I'm bi sexual. A lot of people want to like, why are you not paying sexual? Why are you not? And we're gonna dig into it a lot. But also like we've talked about it so much, and we've had so many people come on here um in this sex space who also just hated the labels altogether. They didn't want to identify as either or we We talked about the Kinzie scale

so much on this show. Where is a spectrum to where you may not fully align with bi sexuality, but you may not be all the way gay, but you also may not be something. For Refinery twenty nine for queer people. And in the clip that they posted on me, I was like, I'm paying by hole whatever, and some people are mean, like I've never heard you say pan before. I was like, I don't mean to use it as a joke, but like nigga, all of them, Yes, I can understand me liking people for people but also liking

men because their men and women for women. Like, what the fun you want me to say? That's an umbrella thing queer too, ubrella super umbrella. So we are gonna now get into our Hord Derve, So go hit and handle six tip reading. So the hord Dirt for you guys who were maybe watching us or listening to us for the very first time. Our Horrid Derve segment is sex tips. So we do like to help you all in the bedroom just a little bit. And so this one comes from my nigga and me said, y'all want

now on top um. But so this sex tip that I have for today is just literally using things that are around you for sex. So this actually came because I realized me and my partner would be having sex and bitch my sex toys and my whole, my whole little sex bag is in the closet. So anytime I wanted to kind of add anything, it was a whole pause, like I'm trying to look in my closet in the dark because I don't want to turn on the lights

and mess up the mood. Um. And so I got an end table and I put it by my bed and literally now on the end table um and in the drawer I have oils for because we do massages a lot. I have lotion, I have um lubes and wipes, and then I do just keep either a vibrator or one of my toys that I may want to use. So before he comes over, I normally just make sure everything is set up because it helps not having to ruin the mood by having to go and get lube or having to go just for we can go through.

We go through a lot of of rounds, and so I normally get him a hot towel, but sometimes I'll just lay there. I mean, I just do a little white since oh no, no no, I wipe them all down with hot towel and all of that, but also I wanted to bring up something as well as a household item that is already there. I brought this up on Patreon. Snow I wanted. I wanted to give you, guys, maybe if you're not if you're a little bit more vanilla and you haven't graduated to purchasing one of your

sex toys with our code. I don't know if they sponsored this episode yet those so I'm gonna say it, but anyways, if y'all don't have sex toys, one of the things that he's introduced to me and that I've used for the very first time is a pillowcase. And I brought this up on Patreon. He literally, while he was sucking me from behind, he picks up my pillow and I'm thinking he's gonna fucking suffocate me or nothing,

but no, he does not. He picks up the pillow, take the pillow case off of my pillow and kind of twirls it and uses uses it as a gag. Now, then after household this is a household item, bitch. Then after he takes it out of my mouth, he then puts it underneath me to lift me up. So instead of propping me up with hell, yeah, suck me like I'm a I am a stalon. You know what I mean? Did you say you know what to say? A worse like a worse like getting a bitch. I like that

with my motherfucking pillow case. Now every time you lay on that motherfucker pillow you're thinking like, I don't told I didn't hold this nigga like way too much. You made it at an a k cowboy esque kind of you know what I'm saying at you funk with me what you got. I'm trying to sit my writer brain ain't on just yard you said a household item. I was ready the household. I don't know what it was

going for. First off, you missed that whole episode. I don't talk about how nigger didn't have a deal though, so he sucked his ass with the with the bro that't want to get the old story. And at the time, because it was it was one of them wave brushes. I just thought it because he didn't want with the so portant. Now but you know it's still wood the handle. Now that's too much. First, we're going a lot. That's

definitely the gap in between the fingers. But yeah, so I wanted to bring like they didn't go for toothbrush. I think that really shows personally, you know what I mean? The shows a little girl too. You got a little but you showed me this video before we even had a podcast. Yeah. I just remember thinking to myself, like, did he have nothing else in the home? Baby? Not? But he didn't always he was a struggling college student

at the time. So you got your little your bathroom caddy and stuff whatever, that's all you got when you got when you got out the toothbrush and what my mom sent me in You think he was waiting for his past but a hit, you know what I mean? Because forever can you imagine like he could what it was he now he could have only fans and I don't know he's actually um I brought it up. I ended up sucking him and I stopped at midway and

I was like, this isn't great. I'll call you uber leave Like so actually by the time we did, it just was not good to where I stopped midway and was like, you're not sucking me like the bitches you sent me, I'm cool, Like it just wasn't What did he say? Nothing. I called him an uber to go. Was he still I don't? Yeah? Yeah, Well, I was just like, you gotta go. Well, he did come to

me from Jersey. He was up here visiting from Jersey, so he came and chilled in my crib, and I think I really got upset because he didn't give me no bacon, egg and cheese, and that's what oh yeah, sent him back to Jersey. I was like, you gotta go. I would literally die if you like, whoa, my dick is bleeding, bitch from that fucking That's why I'm telling you that could cripple somebody's I know he loves me,

and I love him back. He's a sweet man and I really cherished him, and I would really appreciate because my head would have been sucked up if I knew in the middle of us dating that I cut his dick. And I was like, so, what did you tell? Well? Real quick, then, um, can you give us tip on how you would handle something going not so well in bed that you didn't like and how you would tell your partner because the fact that he didn't tell me, I was saying, so how he was just so embarrassed,

you know, hearing it now. Um To be fair, No, I don't think he could have told me in the moment because I probably would have been like, too fucked up. But he absolutely should have told me. He shouldn't have told me now, bro, Now you ain't even got no way to fix it. Huh. He just don't remember you was making his dick belief. You know what I'm saying, like your You don't know if I'm sure he got you came back from old I mean, I just didn't you or maybe it made him believe the last I

don't even like me. It's still a good dick, sun because I asked right. I was so upset about this. I was like, so it was really that bad, and he was like, no, it was good. It's just like you got to you made me bleed. Your teeth came. I ain't gonna hold you. I ain't ever going to the nail salon and been like, oh, she did my nails good. As soon as the bitch made me bleed. I hate everything she did. You nick my motherfucking nails. I don't care how good God this is not good

need because he made me bleeve. You know, he told me though he said he didn't want to tell me because he knew I would start thinking about it when I was sucking dick. He's like, I didn't want you to be doing it and be like he wanting to thank you with a legend. No, but but for me, you have a tip. One. I wouldn't do it in the bedroom, okay, So I wouldn't do it like while in bed or do it before sex. So I think

that would have put that in my head. But if he would have told me while we were out and like made a comment about it somewhere else, just outside, I think I would have handled it better. But like that, it needs to be a lighthearted like mentioned, not like talk real quick, not really sensitive. And he's right, he's like, you would have been sucking dick scared forever. So are you scared now? Okay? So I look, maybe I need to add my vis line back in the red. Um,

let's get a sex tip from you. What sex tip do you have? And please let us know if it applies to the men or the women? Since you're okay, well, since we're talking about giving head, I'll stay on that track. And this is for men and women. Um, when you're giving head, don't be don't be afraid to choke on the day, like like, don't be afraid to choke on it, Like a little gag is actually sexy, like it's it's because for a lot of men, specifically, you know, sex has a lot to do with like a power. It's

like a power thing. And like to notice somebody is like gagging on your ship, like that's really hot. And I would say, if you're afraid, like some people say, oh no, I don't want to the up or whatever, don't eat, don't eat within the hour of like of like fucking somebody you know, and if you before you suck them, because then it should be all down, you know, you should be good. But again, I ain't dying on

the dick. I ain't gonna lie. I hate gagging, but I'm all some more dumb and I feel like the gag is me in a Submissters scene because I feel like I can't take the dick and I really can't. But you'll never get better until you get past that point where you because people be trying to put this much dicken in black. Oh I can't Like no, I ain't gonna be mad even be brushing my teeth and be mad, I can't my teeth. I'll be like type a weak bit of mine, sagging with a tooth crush.

I just want to god, I'll be so fed up with my motherucker. I want to go this video. I don't know if anyone has seen it, but I don't want to know if y'all think this is spit, here we go or she loves the visuals. I'm not watching you, I'm not watching I think it's fit. No, you think it's there's no color, it's disgusting, right, but she made

rees this pieces. But phone spit that's almost too much. Well, it's like when you come when you Hey, guys, before we get to this week's horrible decision, we're gonna go ahead and let y'all know who brought us this motherfucking episode. Of course it was Charlemagne and I heart Media, but also Adam and Eve. Thank you Adam and Eve for sponsoring this week's episode and for our listeners. Per usual,

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let's get back to the show. Well, guys, I'm excited we are getting into our hoary blade decision and for this episode we are literally asking all things bisexual and black because I think it is easier and I'll be honest with shout outs to our twenty seven white listeners, I do feel like this is a conversation easier had um with the whites. Um, but it's came out of my mom's vagina knowing I was a non binary. I mean, listen, I think it's just it's an easier conversation in that community.

I think a lot of guys, I mean, they play, especially with the friend Well, I mean we know where it stems from. It's the mask complex that black men have. Right. So before we get into literally diving into our questions, I do want you to kind of open up with us about um, your journey with bisexuality and when you realize or when you came to know that you know what, I like men and women. So my journey, um well one, I'll start with this. I was never a hyper masculine

kid like growing up like I was. I was just regularly I think I was just a regular dude. But I also was inquired. I was like I ran track, like step team stuff like that. Um and so I was just kind of like that kid. I didn't want to do the sports that much, you know, until I got the later part of high school. But um so, people always thought I was like a little soft, like just just for that reason, you know, being in the South, not playing sports, not you know, wearing all the bag clothes.

My parents was not going for that. Um So I was very like prep preppy, you know, dressed um and put together. And so because of that, people were like, oh y, And I was like, I don't like no niggas like I don't. I don't got nothing to do with me, you know what I'm saying. So battling that was one thing. I think. My first experience with the guy was the summer after high school. It was a friend of mine and they were they were on football

team all that kind of time. First, Oh yeah, yeah, I started being women when I was like eleven, so like so like I started doing like, you know, mainly oral stuff and stuff like that. And then my first like serious girlfriend. We were each other's first when when we were sixteen, so so that was all I knew up until then, so I was like well versed in

like sex up until this point. Um. And then my HOMEOK, we were just chilling, you know, watching TV, started wrastling and stuff like that as kids do, and then and then suddenly, you know, you, I felt like something like grabbing my dick or whatever, and I was like, oh, chill, like whoa, whoa, like too much. It was like that. We stopped and then maybe like ten fifteen minutes go by, and suddenly my basketball starts to being pulled down and

he's like sucking my dick basically. So I was like, I was stunned at first, but I didn't know what. I didn't know what to do because it felt good, but I was like, this ain't right, and so I made him stop and I left. We didn't talk for like like and this was my close friend. We didn't talk for a couple of months, and then finally he hit me up and we were like, yeah, that was crazy. We came back over to chill because we were like, it's whatever, and we kind of just picked up where

we left off. And you said, this isn't right. Did that come from? Did you grow up in the church. Yeah, I grew up. I grew up you did you have of homosexuality earlier? Right? So growing up in a Bible belt, um, it's religion is a big thing. Baptist, Like, that's all I knew. I was in church five days a week, you know. I was in the choir, I was in the drill team, I was in I was in everything like and so yeah, my parents were not feeling that, Like my grandfather is a pastor, you know all that stuff.

So so I didn't. I never hung around gay people, Like, I didn't know any gay people up until this point when you had that experience and you said, you guys didn't talk for those couple of months. Did you start looking up that like porn? I started. I did started looking at porn um like gay porn. And my mom actually saw it one time on the browser and was trying to figure out what it was and I was like, I don't know what happened. I was just like, right, I was like, I don't know what happened. I was

through all emotions. But I used to hate sharing the Mottle desktops. You it was the worst. And I remember my computer almost like jammed. One time I almost tried to print something like the internet page, but the printer was jammed, so it never printed. But then months later something printed out and I was like, oh my guy, yeah right, I caught it, but right, like a whole web page. But anyway, so a couple of months went by, I was looking at a little bit of porn because

I was kind of curious. I just liked sex. I thought I had like a sex addiction at first. Um, and I remember just I got to college and I met my serious girlfriend at the time and we were together, and I was just like, we went on a break and I started messing with these dudes like from the neighboring school, um, neighboring university, just because I wasn't trying to do with nobody by me. I was like, for real, d L. At this point, I was paranoid. I was like,

everybody's watching me everything I'm doing. And then finally, um, I was getting really depressed about my sexuality. And I went through this this very low period and I finally told my mom, Like I called her and I was like, yo, I think I'm bisexual, like dealing with this. Her response at first was you know, while you know, I love you, and like we'll get through this, We'll figure it out, are you sure? Kind of thing. Later on the line, it was a very different story. We went through a

lot of bumps down the road. She's definitely coming back around. Um, my mom's from Mississippi, my dad's from New Jersey. Um, Camden, but we grew up in Arlington, Texas, so right outside of Dallas. But um, but yeah, so that was that was a different thing. So after I told my mom, I was able to tell my girlfriend at the time, and so, and that's one of the things that we're definitely gonna get into once we um start asking about dating. So you did tell her when you guys decided to

get back together. Yeah, once we got back together, I guess I was eighteen nineteen, yeah around that. And no, she's actually four years older than me, and that was a freshman, she was senior. Can you share what that conversation was like? It was okay. So this was around the time that and I can't remember what the exact exact site was, but they were like going through all the campuses and like out in people about stuff like

I don't know, there was a whole form. There was like a whole form was like so and so is like going through it was like a U. S. Yde thing like where all the campuses had a kind of site. Yeah, all the colleges had a site and so anyways, there was a lot of things circular circulating around, like athletes out of school and all these people. So I was like, let me just go because my name kind of like Linger,

but it wasn't my name. It was like I knew they were talking about me though, and I was like, let me just talk to her before something gets out of hand and like, and so I told her and she was like okay, okay, like and then she just had a million questions that she wanted to ask him. We talked about it and it was actually really it set me up to be able to tell people going forward.

And I love that your first experience with someone that you were dating was that way, because we brought it up even early on in the in the UM episode where we've seen it now more on TV with Molly Um and she was dating someone who came out and just said, hey, yeah, I experimented in college and there was this whole Her response to it wasn't inquisitive, nor was it that accepting. And I think that that is why we do have so many men that remain in

the d L. So that's pretty good. But also we we've had a lot of conversation and we've wanted to talk about this with a buy man for a long time, about d L culture and like why it exists and things like that. Can you tell us, like did you have any first off, like role models or mentors and people to talk to about No, so when you talked to her, you didn't get any friends. Even now, I'm I'm a super like like men. People think I'm like just open and I do talk about stuff now, but

in general, I'm a very private person. My parents don't even know things unless I tell them. They don't know who my friends like. Like, I'm very I've just always been that way. Um, So I didn't really have anybody talked to. I didn't have anybody to run it by first to figure out. So I was just like kind of going off the cup, like this is this is what I'm doing and and I just want to know what do you want to do? Like because I care about you and you say you care about me, but

like what's this meaning for us? And so she was very she was with it. You know, she was with it. She actually she was well, I don't want to say, but no, okay. So she was the first person I actually did an't know with so so because of that experience, because like she was like, well you have experience with this, like I want to know down the path she was like,

she was like she wanted to try it. She always wants to try an before and she said, well, you have experience with anal with other people, like fucking people, and that like like I want to try it. I want to try it. And I'm like that's as okay, that's that's fine. Hello again, Nathies, Milania Trump, and and I am taking break for I'm Horrible this season show to tell you about this stock club, the Red Panda stock Club. My husband don't like when I promote black people,

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an insecurity on both sides. Um. I think it's a lot easier to to date men because of that, because of that level of insecurity. UM. I think men there's kind of like okay, yere boy, yeah, but they think they're like yeah, gay, like it's fine. They don't they don't really, they're not really worried about it. That much, especially if you see here saying they suck, right, You're

like sucking with me. It's but women is kind of like it's not just convincing them that it's okay, um, because when they always say, well they have something I can't give you, you you know they haven't, and it's like, okay, I get that, but I'm choosing to be with you, so like you have everything that I need. You know

what I'm saying. That was actually I was gonna real quick because it's going saying, um, someone actually asked that question, and UM, the question is do you need different things from men they you do from women, And do you feel that being a bisexual man one of these people can actually fulfill you? I think, Um, I think there

are aspects of each gender that that appealed to me. Um. I think at a base level, there are certain things that I want from a human being, and like that's how I that's how I look at sexuality, things like I'm vibing with the soul, I'm vibing with a person,

and that's what I'm going for. As far as sexually, Yeah, there's certain things like the more feminine side of women, but I don't want necessarily want that for my for the men that I'm dating, Like, and I've kind of come to a point where I don't know if I if I totally subscribe to monogamy at this point because of because of that me personally, I know there's a lot of bisexual people that are totally, you know, good with monogamy there with one person and they love it.

And I want to be with one person emotionally, but sexually, I know that I like to experience more than one person, not necessarily, not necessarily more than one gender, like, but more than one person, someone who's by for myself. Like I had a uple which I felt like was like the best thing, right, yeah, that's were you going to trouble with a man and a woman? I was in a trouble with two men. Now okay for the future, right, Like you mentioned one person emotionally, which I think I

would want for myself. Do you think you can handle a throuble with a man man and a woman? It

depends on them, Like, because it's a maturity level. It's it's like how you relate to jealousy, It's how you see yourself self esteem and things like that go into a lot of it, and it's it's really about it's like a chemistry project, like getting three people on you know, three different mind mindsets to come together and say this is what we're doing and understand that every relationship is going to be different, like my relationship with you and

my ship with you, it can be totally different. Has been different levels of relationship together. But like, I can't say what that has something to do with me? What's ideal for you? If you had to paint it? And even if if it's not something that you can like, where do you see yourself when you think about it? When I m hm, that's something I think about all the time. Yeah, I don't because I'm not sure. Sometimes I say like I might just need to be single, like and like go have a baby and like have

my kids. I want kids and stuff like that. Um I don't. I don't know. So with this, so a lot of people do like what you're saying, it's crazy because we kind of have gone through it too. As being women who identify as bisexual, A lot of people either view you as confused, greedy or even in this realm Polly, um So A lot of times and someone are But do you associate being bisexual with being polly because kind of like and even what we say, I know, I've talked about often wanting to be in a swinger

type of couple. She's been in a thruffle and also open, and you're saying you've been in a thruffle and also both. Do you feel like they're one and the same? I feel like, um, it's conducive to that, Like it makes it makes sense why they would go together. But it's not a it's not a half to. It's not an end all, be all for people, like there are people that still just to be with one person, you know, and pollies are like a lifestyle. You know, it's not

just like right, it's not just one time. But it's not just like oh I don't I don't have a three people tell me they're in the lifestyle. I'm like, oh my god, just say you're working free. So here's my country. We talked about this often as well. Um, and of course, just amongst the sexuality spectrum. When you're dating, because you date men and women, how early do you disclose that you're bisexual? Yeah, so okay, so go ahead,

go ahead with men. Off the top, it could be easiest ship with women's women, you gotta feel them out to you, hoping they are like I gotta see if they're feeling me first, Like I always tell them before we have sex. Okay, So that's that's kind of like my hardline is like before we have sex, um, And that could be because I feel like, wait, bit y'all in bed and then you'd be like I'm about no, no, no. It's like you kind of get a vibe, like if you got a gender or whatever, you kind of know

where it's leading, like the night is leading. So I might bring it up and just say, hey, how do you feel about this or what it like? Have you had any experiences around it? Like, and kind of segue it into there you know, to get But it's always a nervous conversation to have just because you never know how they're going to react. And if it's somebody you've been talking to for a minute, you don't want them

to be upset. You don't want them to see you some kind of way, but like you also want them to know the real you know, And so I want to get that out the way off jump because I don't want to spend three months or whatever trying to like get to know you and make things pop, and then suddenly like, oh, I could never do that. I don't really use data apps. You haven't ever I have you seen his Instagram? Well that is like a data

app if you it can be. But I'm curious to know because it's like if you did, have you just used like a gay dating app for if it was for men or when you were you use both? So I because I have both. I jumped on Tender before, but it was like it was like passively. It was like for like a month and a half or two I just wasn't feeling it. I don't know um and that I was just looking for women at that point. Like who do you feel more emotionally connected to from

your experiences do you feel? I think I think women. Yeah, I like that. I like the nurturing like I like that. I love that, like softness, just like the motherly type of feeling, like that they want to embrace and bring you in. And I'm not super outwardly emotional, and so I like people who are and like because they kind of like cooks me out of it a little bit, like if I'm with somebody's stone face, like me, I'm we're just gonna be looking at do you see yourself generally?

Like when if you could think back in relationships, are you more masked with women or I'm I'm definitely because how I was, how I was raised and like how my dad taught me, like this is how to be a man kind of thing, like and being in the South. Yeah, it's like I'm super chivalrous, opening doors all that kind of stuff, and like I really catered to the women and like make sure they have a great experience, like

all that kind of stuff. But I do some of the best relationships with women are the ones where I was able to just let, you know, let my hair down kind of and like just be be comfortable because like I'm a former ballet modern dancer UM. I used to date a dancer UM as well. And our because I guess because she is exposed to gay men all the time, the dynamics difference, She's not expecting me to

be hyper masculine. It was. That was actually one of the questions asked if as a bisexual man you're how you behave does it change around women than when you're around It actually changes based off the individual because even even with men. You know, you have more feminine men, you have more masculine men, And so I tend to be a more dominant person in general, and I so I tend to date a little bit more feminine men. Um not not super not not most of the time.

Do you ever see I'm I'm not saying I'm verse, but I'm not saying I'm verse, but I mostly top. But how would you feel about or could you not do it because it's a woman, How would you feel about pegging? Yeah? I thought about that. I don't think I could do it. Why couldn't you see? Because I love this conversation because this is people are assuming people. People also assume that as a man, if you're taking a strap from a woman, you may as well take

a real dick, right. I love as a bisexual man who you know has taken dick, you like, I'm good on Yeah, it's not the same, but my strong game is good. You know, I believe I'll give you that because like when I've had a strap used on me

from a woman, I'm just like it's fun. And again it's it's I think for me, it goes back to that like power dynamic, Like it's like I would feel totally emasculated, like by a woman like now I love I do actually like like somewhat aggressive women, so like I would love I love wo women like choke me or like all that kind of ship, like that is kind of hot for me, like to bend me over, like to bend me over, and like, I don't know, that's just like a like a really feminine dude, like

trying to climb my back, Like that's not It's like if you if you're if you're masculine enough, if you're masculine enough, and like you're dominant enough to be if you're more dominant than I am, you can make that work. If you're not, you're not convincing me. We're not like your turn women. What's your type of like normally, what's your type? Um? Normally they're they're short, right skin normally just being from some but right right right, um there.

I'm an ask man, so I love a fat ass um and they're usually like more not I don't want to say submissive, but they're usually a little bit quieter than not, Like they're not like rowy, what about your mama? Like that vibe to me? What you described is like ideal girl. So like for me, I think I picked men and women based off of that as well. I think a lot of by friends I have do the same.

Men especially, they'll talk about there the women that they like being with me, like smaller, more petite, like kind of girlly flirty, and the dude beings like broader shoulders, super bill whatever, like do you like height? Like what is it your thing? For men? For men? What? Again? That that changes because I'm versed. So if they're a top, I want them obviously to be like bigger than me, like broad shoulders. Everybody I want to be athletic and fit,

and that's I just like that aesthetic for myself. I like people that care about their body and work on it um. But if if I'm topping, then they can be smaller, that can be thin, you know, a little bit of booty like we are. The questions that if you're having like your versing, you are having sex with women, but you also don't like to be damned by women. Have you ever had sex with a woman and been

thinking about a man or vice versa. Have you ever had sex with a man and you've thought about being I've definitely both yes, it's definitely happened, and I don't think it was like necessarily intentional unless we were getting to the point I was like, Okay, this is not like like maybe the sex wasn't that great and I'm like trying to get through it. So I started thinking about something that was really good and it may just happen to be the opposite sex or or at the time,

you know what I'm referencing with. When it comes to women, like you have talked about good experience, what's been your worst experience that someone's like, has anyone ever made you feel like ship for me and by or I've had Listen, I've definitely had women like flat out just like turned me down, just like oh no, you're cute, but like that gay ship like I don't and I'm like I can't fault to you, like do what you want to

do whatever. But I've had I've had a girl like tearing to me like you ain't ship your gay like going on and like loud, like we were like at a restaurant and I was like, first of all, I'm not a public arguer or anything to that, you know, I'm just very quiet and calm and and so I

just got up. I just like left because I was like this some bullshit, Like and you said your first experience with opening up to your girlfriend went well, your mom kind of took it well in the beginning, Um, before we get into the homemail and wrap everything up, do you have any advice for any men listening to this and and what you would tell them as far

as how to navigate their bisexuality? Yeah, I would, I would say, And I don't want to start here because you know, people talk about like being d L and bisexual and how they kind of conflate the two, and I would say definitely, there was a period that a lot of bisexual people do go through a DL period because they're afraid, you know, but it's because of society does not allow people to be who they are authentically, and so they feel like they have to hide it.

But I would say, you know, because with that comes a lot of paranoia, like people are not checking for you like that, like they're not looking at you that hard, like like relax, take a deep breath, and like live for you, because at the end of the day, you've got one life. Nobody else is gonna live it for you, and you don't want to have regrets. And honestly, the more open I got about my sexuality, the easier it

was for me to breathe um in life. Like it was just because I knew where I stood and I was very clear about it, and so what anybody else had to say, I was like, okay, Like that's are you trying to fund me? Or like what are we doing? Because if you're not, we don't need what were we talking about? You know, what are we talking about? Keep talking? But I do like it because I think it is easier or more acceptable for women to be biseys than men um but also for a lot of the women listening.

I guess this is where you guys listened to this show a lot and open up your mind about kinks. I love seeing the tweets that nothing surprises you all now because we've talked about all of these kinks. But I think sexuality needs to be a part of that. And I think that this is where as women, we can help alleviate the paranoia or even the d L community with a lot of our our own brothers um who are afraid to come out about being bisexual. The

thing about that, like with so with women. It's like it's like I have a lot of friends who are like, oh, yeah, no, we accept you, We love that. Yeah, look at this guy. Like they're always like they're very into it. But if if they were to say, oh, this guy's trying to talk to me, but he's not, they would not before like they're not feeling it at all, Like they're very like like tearing them that kind of kind of that way, but they would. They think I'm the exception, right because

I'm their friends. It's like, you can't just be choosy. And I think in the black community that I was about to say, that's like saying I work with her good but you know what I mean. Yeah, so it's kind of the same. It's like, did do you align that with homosexuality? Like I just had that question in my head, Like I was, I was like, can you be kind of kind of homosexual? Let mean kind of

like homophobius be kind of right? No, like you can't, And so like, damn that because that knocks off a lot of people you know in my life who are like choosy with me, but like, damn, Liken also believe them because there's a lot of things that they'll say that they're accepting of or okay with in front of your face, but they'll be right there to keep that that's true whoever's talking about people that are essentially a part of your because it also they're worried about what

it makes them look like, right right right, They're like, oh, now, like you're dating a guy. Who's this? I mean, where do we just see this? What show was it? Where she was someone's beard? Was it the politician? Oh? I don't know, it might have been the politician On Netflix? There's there's a billions. I feel like billions maybe that, And it's like they're terrified the fucking you know, women are embarrassed to about that ship. Final question before we

get into homemail, who you got more under your belt? Well, at this point, man, getting dick is the easiest thing. Can you go on? If you go on an app or Instagram, Facebook, anywhere and you message message guy social experiment, literally be like what's up? They'd be like, come chilling, horny, You look at like it's you. You have to wine and die and you have to fund that that you

have to like give them experience. I do to a certain extent, but like sometimes I'm just I just want to funk like and it's like sex and emotion are very separate from me. You know, I can just have sex and it doesn't mean anything, but I can also apply emotion to sex and making something amazing. And I think, you know, women wanted to be the two all the time, and I just want to fund sometimes like I don't want to go through all this like this left and right.

I don't want to take you on three dates and then try to find like. I mean, we can if I'm feeling you like that, but if I'm just like, damn you fine, like about reading the Steve Harvey book. You want to put you on throe. Oh that's not happening. That's not happening that I gotta be likely. I might give us give a little puss ap ain't gonna hold give a little pussy, lot of and a bussy. Alright, So guys, um today we do not have a helmail. We have a whole confession from one of our members

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women to be shameless about whole activity a man. All right, and I take a free trip, but not no trash. I ain't gonna hold I ain't gonna hold you. I'll look to see. I mean, first off, I do need a round trip anywhere regardless, but I do be liking to make sure I have to itinerate flight change. Is that I need that in portation or I've been doing. Now I'll be right on the phone with Delta, like yes,

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what our boundaries and our needs are. At certain times, I'm teaching my partner how I like to care for myself so they know how to care for me. But it's really about communicating it openly. And that's the intimacy that I'm more like focused on, is that we don't have a lot of intimate conversations. Like you meet somebody, they're like, Okay, what you see on what did you see the last episode of Game of Thrones? Did Jeffrey Epstein kill himself with a fucking piece of flaws? Like?

You know that kind of ship. But people aren't necessarily always talking about what their intimate desires are, what their intimate needs are. Yeah, uncomfortable conversations, but but we want to get Yeah, so I want people to get comfortable being uncomfortable. Okay, right, So vulnerability, right is a sense we're like, oh man, this is this is like, this

is unsafe, this is uncomfortable. Uh. Intimacy is putting myself in a vulnerable position where I'm like, yeah, but I feel I feel in a container where I feel brave, I feel safe in that spot. Do you think that your classes are good or your workshops are good for people that are single Yeah, you get single people. Um, you get people who are cruising. They come and they're like, listen, I just want to come to class because I'm looking

for some pussy. Uh no, there there's there's a group of people that I like to call Polly for pussy and that's pretty much all their interesting. Yeah, don't steal it. Um you can. Well, pussy is like someone who's not really interested in developing meaningful relationships with people, whatever meaningful means. They just have sex, you know, I mean, but they'll describe themselves as Polly as opposed to saying I'm a swinger or I like to have sex with a lot

of people. There's nothing wrong with that, So we want to take the stigma away from whatever decisions you make. So actually ethically a monogamous because of that, Okay, that's yeah, that's a distinction a lot of people use. Yeah it's crazy because I feel like a lot of people don't know how to even self diagnose themselves that way. Like you could have a lot of sex with someone and then get in a relationship, and then you're also the person that's probably going to but trade the person you're

with because you're cheating. But people don't know how to openly say, Hey, although I like you and I know you want to be with me, and I do want to be with you, I also like to have sex with just a lot of people. A lot of people also don't know how to accept that. What's your definition

of the difference between the both being Polly and non monogamist. Well, I think, uh, non monogamy is like an umbrella term, right, So it just means you don't practice monogamy, right at least in the current part of time in your life. You don't practice monogamy. Now polyamory, which I think is actually a very small group of people, because those are people who are developing like actual loving relationships with folks, multiple people, and trying to maintain those relationships, you know.

So that's not necessarily always the easiest thing to do. Um So it's a lot it's a lot more challenging, and I think a fewer people fall into that category. I'd recently did a piece for Refinary twenty nine about being black and queer. Don't identify as Polly. However, for this piece, I identified with every single term that fit with me because they are such an umbrella, which led me to say, I am non monogamous, ethically non monogous, polyamorous.

I also called myself a hoe I use the term they then I called myself bisexual, queer pan sexual as well, which I don't do on a daily basis, But that's how fitting they were because a lot of these seems so broad. I'm like, well, pan sexual, of course, I sucked people for their personalities they look like. But I'm also definitely bisexual because I'm looking at you for your masculinity and women for their femininity. So it's like there's

so much ship. I feel like it's so hard to pick your lane sometimes, and I'm curious to know with your polyamory and POC conversations, you said you specialize in that, are those like for people of color? So why do they need something separate? I try to specialize in it, you now, So it's introducing that conversation UM on a

broader scale is definitely more challenging. I think people of color, especially when they have the experience of living in the US, right, so, our sexuality is either over sexualized and fetishized or it's over sexualized and demonized, you know. So we've so the America has used the black sexuality to outlaw drugs to create segregation laws.