Ep168: I See Titties Ft Van Lathan

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live and add it as soon as we can. Um, So I wanted to let that be known before we start this week's episode. Now let's get on with the show. Hey guys, welcome, What did it do? Motherfuck? Guys? Welcome to another episode of Horrible Decisions. This is your girl. Actually, I want to be someone new this week. Finally finished the ten episode MJ doc and I'm gonna be Carmen Electra for this episode because she's a fucking goat and

I want the documentary on her whole phase. So this is your girl, Carmen Electra a k A Peg the Stallion a k A Me de Baskins a k A that bitch. I'll get Denise Rodman because Jannis Rodman is me, my nigga. I don't give a funk about the job when I lead it, so I definitely watched all of that ship too, And you guys know I don't give a funk about sports. I don't even think you need to know me to know, I don't give a funk,

but that ship was t now. I loved it. And this is not a sports podcast for those of you who are tuning in for the first time, because I know we may have some new listeners because we have the motherfucking voice of the culture, the motherfucking I said what our motherfucker's said, and I stand for everything black. We finally have Van Leathan. I didn't know how he was really gonna ent you because you kind of got your own job. Now we can't say where your work,

So we have Van Lethan on today's podcast. Go ahead, man, what how y'all doing? Man? Look, I've had each of these ladies on my podcast. Um, I can say you ought to be great friends. I love this fucking podcast I always have, so I'm happy to be here. Man. I'm happy too that it took a fucking pandemic to get your ass on the show. Bro Bro, y'all had to go to Joe Buttons fucking pool party then the one time because we always wanted to do the episode with you together. We felt like you would be someone

fun because we're all friends. So it was like, okay, one of us is out of town. It's not gonna work. We'll look at us now all together, all in separate motherfucking locations because the world is ending, so that don't say that. Honestly, I ain't gonna hold you. So I wanted to start off this UM episode. I know that Weezy and I in the beginning of this, I guess pandemic. Wey was like, all we hear is about coronavirus. We

gotta keep the conversation away from coronavirus. But I think that this has now become kind of a new norm. I would say, UM, and we're all in different locations, So I just kind of even wanted to talk to you Van and see how it has kind of affected you, not only for UM the worst, because it's kind of affected us all a little negatively. I wanted to kind of know in a positive way what you've taken from

what's been going on. UM. It's difficult, Like in a positive way, I guess I've learned again about my own resilience because unlike a lot of other people who were able to deal with this, I had a complete fucking nervous breakdown, like one UM with my anxiety. Everyone says, oh, I have anxiety and I'm not saying that people don't. We all do to a degree. Mine is completely crippling. It is Uh, It's like it decimates like it came

from I'm scared. I'm taking my temperature fifteen times a day, UM, reading everything, I'm getting into everything, I'm all fucked up. Then it goes into I'm so stressed out that I'm having a hard palpitations. Then I can scare of the hard palpitations, and then I can't sleep. I think I went three weeks with about thirty minutes asleep per night. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I don't think we've

talked about it. I know I've joked about, you know, being sexless, being dickless, not going on dates, and we've definitely brought up how this pandemic has affected us with dating and sex and partners UM. But I don't think we've talked about much of the mental health and even UM. I started to run a report UM kind of just to work on speaking by myself and also editing audio. But then, like I was speaking to my mom and I went into kind of like a manic phase myself.

I was on the phone with my mom after grocery shopping one day and I was like, so, yeah, I'm gonna get this. I'm gonna get this, and she just like said, she was like, calm down, you sound really manic. She was like, I'm so glad you have body there because I really am an extrovert and I'm feeling now like fuck, I'm not around people and it's affecting me. I mean, um, my friend is staying with me for a couple of months now, so that's gonna relieve kind

of just the need to be with human interaction. But yeah, we definitely haven't talked about how this whole thing has affected our mental health along with sex and our jobs. Um, we easy mentally has this affected you? Have you felt anything with depression or anxiety or you know, being around other people? I think we were both really like extroverted people that liked being outside. In the beginning. It did,

but I adapted pretty well. Like I mean I was crying a lot, not like don't already cry a lot, but like just spurts of like going to a grocery source seeing all the masks and being like, oh wow, life is over. Like just um getting depressed about people I know who have gotten coronavirus and not understanding because I think in the beginning I just felt like if you get it, you die, and that was really terrifying, much like a cancer right, like survival rate with cancer.

When you it feels like a death sentence. But the more that I'm becoming eligible and how to take care of my body and getting healthier, I'm not as word um. Also like I've done a lot of goal setting and a lot of things that have pulled me out of feeling depressed. Like I put things on the schedule, which I know everybody says to do that, so I feel

like that part is annoying too. I'm so sick of people telling me, oh, dude's doing with your friends, fay time with your friends and get your calendar busy, but like you just actually have to do it and you'd be I I know more about talks now that I ever have in my fucking life. I actually don't watch that much. Netflix was just wild, Like I feel like I should I limit myself tonight time to do it. I don't watch during the day. We talked about it

on Patreon. I completely have gotten off of the binge concept, Like that phase is so over. I can't binge just show I've honestly tried to start a couple you know where we all had it right because as busy people, you didn't have the opportunity to binge. You can't just you know what I'm saying, our lives before you're like, oh word, my nigga be in a house for two weeks. Cool, let me watch every show that y'all. Nick has been talking about how I just started soprano. I don't understand,

but I don't know. Now, I will tell you one thing. I want to want to be on brand here. I'm horny as fuck and I have someone to fuck, but I'm horny all the time because it's quarantine. And I think it's because I'm spending more time on my phone and a lot of people do pooring, bro, And if they weren't doing it before, they're doing it now. Some of the people that have started their only fans journey in this particular thing are people I never would have thought,

like who I like who? Yeah? Like it's not body that y'all would know, but it's like people that I worked with that's like, yo, cook the link in the Bible. I'm like yo, for real? Inn Yeah, I like you had just graduate from San Diego State and you were telling me you're gonna be the next open. By the way, you can still be the next open and do your only fans. You can't do, you can't do, you can't do.

But I'm just surprised. I know what you're saying, because I think we always think like someone's gonna say, ll, why can't you be up. At the same time, it's just normal people trajectory. What's normal to us is not only fans and OPRAH, but the world is changing bro with the more people that do it, the more people that do it, the more common place is going to become. And then you have a chance to be the first only fans OPRA absolutely because because there's a lot of

mothers out there doing it. I think that that's even the way, UM and shout out to you. I know you just started kind of a wire recap with Jamal Hill. That's one of your UM one of your podcasts that you're doing right now on top of the red Pill podcast. You're still no more red Pill and there's still up for people to listen to it. Because I want people to still go back and listen to the content because we we think I were right. Right. Look, I still own the I P to the Red Pill. The red

Pill is I own it completely. But uh, I am now launching a brand new podcast with the Wringer I Love Them next week, so I have two shows with them, um and the next the podcast I'm launching with them X is going to be more along the lines of what I was doing with the Love It And you guys want to talk about I P S and be MESSI or not. No bitch, I was getting into the motherfucker's topic. Actually, I was just listening to that past

listen even so I was in a hole. I would have been talking to Liz Goldwin shoutout to this going from sex education, me and this bitch on the phone. She's like, you know, I'm in the hole. I'm like, can you believe I'm not even gonna lie? So I was actually going to bring that up because, um, the same way we talked about kind of just the normalization

of only fans. I remember starting a podcast three and a half years ago and Nigga's looking at it as a hobby and now all of this podcast drama and quick. But that's a brief Rundown. So there's a podcast and I mean normally it's like, oh, don't give anybody they're they're huge. They're called called the Drama source scene where we're talking about the million dollar um ideas or million dollars something with wallow Gilly to kids. That's also podcast drama.

This this one, particularly about the I P is super interesting. So Call Her Daddy is a sex podcast of two white girls that live in New York. Um. And when we got into us, when we got into this, I knew the motherfucking clause was coming out. I like, even when you said that because you were like two white girls, why I want to mention their because I feel like that has a lot to do with how doing on.

Now let me say one, I don't want to even say that they're like us, because I really feel like just because two people have sex podcasts, I mean ship like we're not close to nothing. Horrible Decisions doesn't even close to that, you know what I mean, Like we're a sex ed kinky fund podcast. There's two white girls that tell their nasty stories. Cool to me, they have their very value girl voices. They curate this audience that's like do she but they make money on it. That's

a bigger lane than what we do. So it ain't no shade. What are you talking about? People? Are we come on? I think it's not even that it's a bigger lank, because I would say that is a bigger I'm saying when we came out, Um, because we are just two women to talk about sex, we could be compared to guys we fucked. We've been compared to Cocktails. We've been compared to literally two girls that are open about talking about sex. And so Cocktails is based in Atlanta.

We've had them shout out to Kikia Medina. Um, but so call her daddy? Is these you know? Two white girls are a blonde in the brunette, they openly talk about sex. Well, they signed the acquired Yeah, they signed three before. I think that's a big thing to say, and that's a huge part of thing to say. They were a podcast before they did not start, and bar Stool Store did not conceptualize this is which is actually

what I thought they were. They were still a podcast before, right, So it doesn't it's not like bar stool reached out. And the reason that's important is because I'm early on with a new podcast two and people are like, hey, sign this contract and do ads with us. People don't give a fun. But here's the thing, though, they don't give a funk. People give that to me and Mandy.

They do it to everybody, But here's the But here's the thing though, if like you guys had a podcast and the podcast grew organically for a long long time before any other networks came in, right, right, there is something to be said with how early a major network like bar stool gets involved with your party weeks into like early, right, so that that does lend itself to the success of the brand, like you can't you can't divorce those two things. That's why I said, I think

it's important to acknowledge that they had it before. So the tea is I've never listened to an episode. However, the podcast has been on air for a year, and they stopped letting episodes come out or stop doing episodes

for about four weeks. Nobody kind of knew why. They posted some cryptic shit about how people would find out, but the owner of bar Stools, who's Dave Portnoy, came on their feed basically because he owns it and talked about why there hadn't been episodes, and there was a disagreement between the hosts and bar Stools, feeling like they weren't owed enough money. Now here's some cool facts, just

interesting baseline that you need to know. So what I p addresses your intellectual property, which is basically the idea. It can just then the name excuse me, but it can also be the idea. So, for example, horrible decisions. If you remember, Mandy, where was it a year ago? So no, two years ago, somebody wanted us to sell our Patreon episodes and put bonus content with them. And that wasn't that wasn't comparable to what we've been making nothing. Now,

I wasn't even that much. It was fifty. It was fifty, which wasn't even what we make. It was fifty plus a bonus if we reached a certain amount of subscriber. Here's this interesting part Mandy and I started saying, which was which is a really interesting part to call her daddy. We were like, well, we'll just make our own Patreon

is Mandy and wheezy. Fuck it. Now, bar Stool not only bought call her Daddy, but they bought I can't remember the word but the concept alexand many of them, the likeness Alex and Sophia can't go out and do something else, which was pretty dumb, not not not saying that they did was dumb because bar stools huge, They had nobody yet, so why not let this happen? Now the podcast makes money. They give him a seventy thousand dollar base, and it makes money from merch from ad

sales and am I forgetting something else? So they get they also get a bonus. Um, so they did. They weren't getting the ad revenue, that's the thing they were getting. They got a bonus based on every ten percent above whatever whatever to a million dollars between the two of them starting No, no, no, it was five d each the first year. The first year, it was like it was like they split basically like a million dollar back. Now. So here's what's interesting. Um, seventy thousand was the base.

They want more now immediately, I'll be real when I found out that they made half a million each on the first year and had nothing before. Are still and like you signed a bad deal. Suck it up, You're gonna be big in three years anyway, Who cares? But I'm feeling two ways about this. When Dave portnoy I got on the show and said I want them back because I'm already missed out on four hundred thousand, I'm like, okay, four weeks, four hundred thousand. Then this show makes a

hundred grand a week, a lot of money. Of course you want more than five grand. However, they offered it back to the girls. So what happened was the girls wanted their i P, which was of course the worth of the brand. The most important thing is your trademark. I believe you never know what you'll brandon be. It's

it's important to keep that. So they offered these girls their i P back six years less out of their contract, right months, six months last out of their sorry, six months lest out of their contract, and a half a million dollar base, and they're still saying no and have Now this is where I said, I think the whiteness really matters, the nerve of you to sign this bad deal on your own, not come to work. They offer what you're asking, and then you're still like fuck you

and breaching the contract. How So, it's crazy because this, to me is comparable to what Meg the Stallion is even doing right now. Um. She she got a better management with rock Nation, and now they're like, you're in a bad deal with Carl and everybody on that side, so we want to get you out of this deal. The thing is, and I think it's been important for

what Weezy and I have done. We've seen our growth over year one, year two, and year three to where we know like, we don't want to sign any multi milk like multi year deal seeing what people are offering if it's not what we think we can do by ourselves. Um. And I think that they just hopped into this early. But regardless, you do have to once you sign that ship, which is what Dave kept saying, I'll see the ship out of you. So they're locked bro for the next

two years. They're not gonna be able to do ship together. Girl got on Instagram talking about I wanted to do the show again. I bet you do. What are yours? They are? But here's the thing. They made a mistake. Like I've been them before, they may the mistake that a lot of people make. Right like me coming off the tour bus going into t MZ. I don't really have the leverage to to to sit down and dictate terms to them. By the time my last contract to TMZ was coming up, I was saying, Okay, I'll even

go do something else unless you give me that. But while I was there, I was completely in totally exclusive to them. Anything that wasn't carved out, they could tell me straight up you can't do it. TMZ could take my face, put it on the billboard. Take my face, and my face has been on billboards, my face has been on flyers, my face has been on commercials, my face has been in a in a fucking casino slot machine,

all of that stuff. Basically, whenever they wanted to, they for that time they owned my talent for the time that I was there with them. What happened was they go early on, they go and they they they they negotiate back and forth with bar Stool about the i P. They knew they wanted it, They always knew they wanted their i P, but they didn't feel like they had the muscle initially to negotiate. And maybe they didn't they but they obviously didn't. So here's the theme to anyone

out there that's listening, what do you do that you're fucked? Okay? If you have an i P that you feel like it's gonna last. It is gonna last and give you generational wealth, something that you're gonna be able to go back and draw. Once you made the decision to sell it, they own it. Now. You can use the great success of your show to come back and releverage as much as you can, but they never ever ever have to

fucking play ball with you once you do that. So selling the IP, making the decision to sell your I P is a monumental undertaking. I really like what you're saying, because I recently sold a pilot right, something I wrote, sold it to a production company that is going is trying to get it pitched right, And I want to talk about the difference between I what I sold an I P because someone wrote me and I was like, well, didn't you just sell something and say you can't touch it? Well,

here's the difference. That series right has stipulations. If it gets picked up, I have writer's credit, I can be in the cast, I'm an executive producer on it. I'm a part of the show that was something that I wanted. Now, huh. Union in the case of something exactly now, if they start making merch and something like that, like, sure, I understand that I sold that. However, I did say, let's just say a base number of a hundred bucks. If I get a hundred bucks for a year, you have

to sell this. Now if you do sell it that hundred dollars, ten dollars something like that. Right, you're allowed to do those two. But that series I sold is just one piece. It's not an I P. Now selling horrible decisions, let's say as a TV show, and I had to sell that name. That's an i P. Which was why I love what Jesus and Marrow have done because Podega boys when I look at them, that's what

I say, because that is that initial fan base. But Jesus and Marrow the name, they were able to just take it and make it a show and not haven't touched that podcast brand, which was very smart too. I mean, people all the time make bad decisions with their product. Now, I want to just make one more example just to show you how you can get fucked as a podcaster. And it is really important because it happened to me two hours ago. For facts sake, got on Newton Noteworthy.

It's a podcast I just started with a friend Eddie four weeks ago. Whenever a podcast is charting, anyone can hit you up right, it's a it's a B two B service, it's a sales team. They're like, who do we get? Who can we sell ads to? Okay, they're going, let's get them. They're new. This person has written me and Mandy a total of four times over the course

of three years. I've looked up their name in our email right literally wrote us a few months ago, told me that we have to sign a contract for a year. We get seventy ads. Actually not bad, but if there's an AD that contacts me or an AD that I found on my own, I gotta give them. I said, hold of, So, what did you think me and Mandy were gonna do when you wrote us? I said you didn't. You weren't gonna have that energy for me and Mandy though I know that, So why would you do that

for this podcast? I'm the same person. She's like, well, well, I I don't I don't know what I wrote you. I said, oh, you wrote me the same email. So because horrible decisions had some weight, you would have been more lenient. But because we've been around for four weeks, you think I would have signed this. And that's the thing about people that hold out. We've watched it with

the Joe Budding podcast, the Joe Rogan podcast. When people hold it and hold it and you grow your own worth, you can have more leverage because I probably won't have leverage for this new podcast. But let me get on that phone with her tomorrow, with Mandy on the phone discuss horrible decisions. Oh you think she's about to talk to me about how if we find something it's not ours,

get the funk out of here. And that's the thing that that really happened with this is when Portnoy was on there, he explained and not even he expected their podcast to be as big as what it was. Right, So when the podcast gets to the level that it is and it's it's apparently a huge podcast. I'm not gonna lie I had never heard of it before, but apparently it's a huge, huge podcast. Right. You have earned the right to come back and ask for some things

that they maybe didn't give you before. But the bottom the bottom line is but to not show up and not record like they're gonna tell you, go funk yourself in that situation. If you don't come at it with a business mind. If you bring your emotions to that discussion, you're going to lose because they got your paperwork. The paperwork is going to be the most important part to how successful you're going to be in the long term with your idea. If you give your ideal way, somebody

else fucking owns it. And so either those girls, those women, those ladies either they got to figure out a way how to make that ship right with them or they're not gonna get paid off the ship that they built up. Urge to see what happened to them, because as a woman, I mean not that I think what they're doing is right, but that was hard to watch just to know that they're gonna funk them. They're gonna sue the funk out of these girls. They're they're not gonna hold up in court.

I actually but because I want to get into the vanilla ship. UM. I know that we don't normally talk about the business side of things here, but definitely with so much going on and so many people looking to start podcast, UM. I recently just did something with DJ Rose Gold. We had a mix there were um literally the advice was, if you're gonna start this podcast, thing, whether it's for a hobby or to monetize it. I think to look at it as a million dollar business.

Think that you're gonna see a million dollars in the first year and operated as such. So get a partnership agreement, figure out your expenses, figure out how you're gonna go about UM delegating responsibilities. I think that that's very important UM to start off with. And I do want to get into the Vanilla ship because we save this topic just for van We wanted to get a male perspective on this UM so our vanilla ship for this week. I want to read it. Um Complex wrote on it.

All of you guys have seen this nonsense if you're on Twitter, if you have any sort of technology at the palm of your fingertips. Boosty Rapper Boosey Badass bass backlash after claiming he got grown women to give his underage son oral sex so around the age of twelve and thirteen, he let it be known in an Instagram live that the same women he was fucking he made

sure went and sucked his son's dick. We've heard him speak a lot on the parenting of Dwyane Wade and how he allies that what is Zio Wade zire Wade uh starts with a Z, but how Dwyane Wade allows allows his son to, you know, kind of be gender fluid, and how he wants to be represented. Boothy came on and pretty much was like, well, my son's gonna be straight.

So I have grown women sucking their dick. So I wanted to talk to you about this because my problem actually with this is when we when when I went on Twitter and started reading the comments, a lot of men were like, I wish this happened to me. Um, And I think the conversation is more so where men don't view this as sexual assault and it really is. UM and so Van as a man and UM and you've been you know, we're gonna talk a lot about sex and kind of with you through way porn addiction.

We're gonna get into all of that. But I want to know, as as a black man specifically, what are your thoughts with one of I guess our culture leaders, um talking about this and and yeah, just share your thoughts on what's going on. So full disclosure, I've known Boosty for a long long time. We went to high school together. UM, and so Yeah, mat Rouge mckilly hide like his big brother to Corey was a wash I'd say, a friend of mine, um throughout middle school, high school,

and then on into college. Uh. And then Boosty came in and we whoped together, play basketball together. I've watched his career the whole time, been knowing Boosty. So here's the thing about this, UM, I think that there are two things that play. Number One, there there's a there's a level that the toxic masculinity goes to where it's inherently abusive. Right, not not just in this case, but in all other cases. The way men treat each other, the expectations we have each other of each other, we

subconsciously abuse each other all the time. UM. By by putting these sort of rules in place. Another thing that really bothers me about what Boosey said was this Boosey is not only if that's true, not only is he abusing his children sexually, UM, abusing his son sexually, abusing whatever other kids sexually, He's also informing them about women in a really dangerous way. What he is saying is that a woman exists too. Uh. Initiate, reinforce, and validate

your manhood. So you're a child, right, You're a kid. In order for you to get to a certain point, this woman has to do this for you. UH, and that ushers you into the club that the rest of us are in. UM. When you cast women in that role, it is impossible to uncast them when you start doing for the rest of your life. UH is using women to gratify or build you up in different ways, and

then they become not people. They become not people that exist with their own dreams, their own hopes, their own fears, their own insecurities. They become objects to reinforce whatever it is that you believe or want to believe about yourself. I love Wokeman so much. I just feel like he is just you are, like the better doctor. But even even what you're saying, it's interesting because clearly this isn't what's put on too you know, young girls. Clearly we're

told to keep our our cookie to ourselves. There's all these names used. You know, Moms definitely aren't going out making sure we get grown dick to make sure we're straight. That's not a thing that's that's given to us. But I think it's interesting because I was having a recent conversation and and I'm not sure where it's taught, but so much for men, the end goal is sex. Men take women on dates because they hope they can get

pussy at the end. They go about doing things that they lie, they manipulate in I guess you know, response to hoping that they get pussy at the end. There's no other end goal with a woman except for sex. So what you're saying is is exactly right. And that's

exactly what Boossy is doing. Now. I want to ask you because another instance that I saw, we see a lot of the teachers, a lot of the teachers in the news are coming out that they're all se messing with kids, and men in their minds are saying, damn, I wish that happened to me. Do you know why there's no inkling to sexual assault when it comes to

young boys. We know what it is of sexual assault for women, of course, we've all experienced it, we've talked about it, but men aren't talking about the sexual assault that it's happening to them. Why is that? Well? Number one, because sex is so such an aspirational thing. I remember my father, who was a great dad, and by the way, I don't think Bootsey even knows that what he was doing was abused. I don't think that he I don't think that he would do anything that he thought was

abusing his his kids. I don't think he even knows. I remember my dad told me. My dad asked me one time I was fifteen, He's like, have you got any pussy yet? And I was like, well, you saw me jacking off to the Jam Jackson screen video. You know that I'm not getting any pussy. Like so, like, what what are you talking about? Like you know I haven't, I'm not. I'm like no, He's okay, well you know you need to take care of that by time you're sixteen.

And I'm like what. He goes, well, if you're a Lathan man, like you shouldn't be a virgin when you're sixteen, Like so go figure that out. And and and for me, that's like that funk with me because I was thinking, yo, with my brothers and my dad and everybody else, am I the weak link? If no one wants to sleep

with me? And it becomes did you lose it? And until I was seventeen, so um so like for me personally, I look at like sexist seen as such an asperse and when and by the way, I can't speak to women, but there's something that overnight fucking happens to you when

you're like eleven or two. No not I mean no, I'm not that you started sucking, but like every fucking thing ship that you never noticed before just becomes It's it's like, yo, I remember, like one day I just discovered titties and I was like, and it was it was weird because I knew that titties were there, but I didn't think that they were actual titties. So did

you see a move or something? Yeah, And then I was like, and then you didn't jump, and you were like, I was thinking to myself, yo, her titties are onto it. And it changed my life because I was thinking, under that shirt, there's a brawl, and then under that brawl they're true titties. And so for the rest of the time, I remember, I was like in the sixth and seventh grade, I was trying to see a titty. My whole day was just about how can I see the most of

a titty? That's the possible that I could see, And I never forget. I'm not like like like like we're at the p classes, we're playing soccer, and it was a girl. She was I know her name, but I'm not gonna say it all here. Thank you. She somebody somebody snapped her bra and when they snapped her bra, her ship was so big that the brawl broke and then the titties fell in the shirt and they were free sexual assaults. I was. It was a girl that snapped the bra. I was. I was fucking done. I remember.

That's what I had to have a conversation with my dad about that. I didn't even no, no, but no. So so when I'm saying there, can you say what aide? You? Where? You said eleven? At that point I was, I'll say, it's funny that you say that, because so when I was in fifth grade, I was on the morning announcements and it wasn't shut up, shut up up. I gave the morning announcements in both middle there is a spot

behind the jungle gym that no one can see. You Can you not give children where to go and and fill each other up? No? So it's crazy because I was on the morning announcements and it wasn't until so when I was in fifth grade, I started filling out my braw a little bit more, and I remember the boys that was the grade they started taking notice of

my titties. So I think that's about ten or eleven years old, and I remember like being so embarrassed that they would talk about the size of my my breast as a fifth As a fifth grader, so I remember um going onto the morning announcements and sitting like of course there was a table in front of me, and I would slouch so that my tips were covered by my arms on the table just so that people couldn't see my cleavage as a fifth grader, because the boys

were definitely into titties, I must have been a hole right in the elementary because I was kissing for cookies. I was, I was serious, what kind of cookies? You? Was like, like what kind of I gotta know what kind of because if you for animal crackers and like what kind of cookies? That's that's like they were like cafeteria cookies. But we all we all only got one. And I knew these boys wanted to you know, kids. I was like, oh, yeah, you was made. I'm telling you.

My mom found out. Oh my, and here I am. How'd your mom found out that you was hold for cookies because the teacher said something because like nobody had cookies and I probably had bo I'm that um my point by saying that, So this is my point. My point is, so you have an intense biological imperative. Your body is telling you sex sex sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex sex sex sex, and that's uncontrollable, right, like for most guys, uh that that I've talked to, that's uncontrollable.

And what you need in that situation as a young man is you need somebody that can establish a healthy relationship of what sex is supposed to look like and how it's supposed to do. You don't need someone going yo, my nigga, take off, go get it. And so because of that, um, sex becomes like something that that that makes your manhood. It becomes something that like you know, you like a like a notch on your belt. And you think any sex is appropriate sex. You think any

sex is good sex. You think so you think that like of course you wouldn't think that there was anything wrong with having sex with a teacher. What could be better? You know what I mean? Like that's a grown woman that's probably the best sex. So meanwhile, with women, we we the dynamic gets changed because we see women as not quite that way, we see them as more sexually vulnerable. And now I think that people want to protect girls more than they do little boys all the time because

because of the hyper sexuality of men as well. I do want to say something that you you you said, and I'm not saying that you're using it as an excuse, but I know you know this person, so of course you've probably got a softer spot in your heart for him. But when you mentioned like Boosey didn't know what he was doing was abuse or in essence means he didn't know what he was doing was wrong, I don't really believe that, And I'll tell you why I think that. People.

For example, he used the argument that isn't Zaiah. What the fuck is their daughter's name? Zaia? Maybe zah okay, so doing we then Gabby's daughter, right? So Zia? Um? Who is? We don't even know if she's trans. I wouldn't even use the word like queen or no, does she identify his trans? Know she identified? She wants to identify as a woman, But there's no talk whatsoever. Boosty used the argument over and over that she doesn't know about her own sexuality yet because she's too young. So

that's not what he said. Okay, what do he saying? So like what what he said was And by the way, I'm not in any way defending Boosty. What Boosey said was indefensible. What I'm saying is that, well, what he said about Duane Wade's kid was don't cut his dick off? Right, Yeah, but he was saying, how do you know so he didn't have any conversation like that, because I feel like I remember those well what he was saying, the main point was don't cut his dick off, Dwyane way, And

that's never been a conversation. But if he wants to go back and fun women when he gets older, nobody, nobody has ever had that conversation that I know of. I don't know what they're having a conversation as a family, but there's never been any talk about any surgeries or anything like that. Um, their daughter is uh dealing with a lot of things coming at them at the same time, and they're choosing to be what they should be, which

is supportive parents. I'm not giving him an out. What I'm saying, is that anything that he gets from saying what he said is deserved, Like that's something that's discussing. But at the same time, there is uh pervasive said of ideas and behaviors that go along with men thinking that women having sex is some kind of way like accessing their manhood. And Louisiana Baton Rouge p D would be at his fucking door he has a daughter if he said that he had a guy comeing fuck his

daughter to make sure that she wasn't gay. So it's just a weird thing on how we prioritize little boys over a little girl, I mean little girls over little boys, and it's and it's frankly very sad. But I think the main thing about is Dayah, we gotta figure out her name. Is It is clearly more unhealthy that you're forcing sex on a kid more than you are letting them change their clothes. And I don't know you guys know this, but I just want to go through this

really quickly. You cannot remove genitals or do anything like that on a twelve year old kid. You can't even start um hormonal Zaiah, Okay, thank you, Vincent. You can't even start like hormone treatment until I believe it's like sixteen or seventeen, so like this is all super preliminary. It's it's it's not something that's in discussion yet. And I think that is obsession with masculinity. I think it's

an obsession. Um. And before we get into the hope facts, um, I think it's weird how we have such an obsession with sexuality with children. I think it's done to young girls really quickly based on what they wear. I think that we sexualize children more than children sexualize themselves, and they have no clue, right. And I think it's fucking discussing that we are putting sex onto these children instead

of just allowing them to simply be children. There's a popular video with the guy who's on the pole, uh, swinging around. He's an instructor. I don't know if you guys have seen it. It's actually really adorable. He's like, let's do it again. Look kid, kid can't be more than three. And they're not playing any kind of music that feels sexual. He's wearing regular clothes. There's nothing porno looking about it, and to me, it seems like exercise.

Not to mention, there's a fucking pole on the playground. Speaking of fire poles whose fire alarm went off, that's your firelarm. Let's take a ship. Um Well, no, I totally um agree with you, Van. I wanna um jump into our now hole facs. So the next two conversations that we're gonna have with you are ones that I've

really wanted to have with you. So our whole facts segment is where we pull out weird facts about sex and for you specifically, because you've been so open in the conversation, I wanted to have the conversation about porn addiction. We've talked about only fans. We've talked about how you literally go onto your Twitter and see porn, but not only that. We've talked about how porn Hub has given

you free premium during the quarantine. Um. But there are some effects to porn addiction, and you have talked about your experience with it, so I wanted to give some facts before we get into kind of your experience with porn um. The one of the facts that I thought was very interesting is that addiction to pornographic material is

not just limited to porn videos. This comes from addiction a HQ dot Org UM, and it says that the action a person has towards pornographic material may not just be limited to peorgn videos and other content available on porn websites. This addiction for porn would translate into their real life as well as they would want to quench

the thirst by trying newer alternatives. UM. So it's saying that other other things include um starting from content on the internet and move onto a stage where the addict would not be able to control their thirsts for porn in specific and sexual activity in general. You've got a lot of annoised ship going on over the event. That's not that's not you? Who is it? Y'all heard that

bitch of a you bitch and ain't me. I ain't got nothing going on, prison bits and goddamnit no anyways, So I wanted to talk to you, um if you can, um how you think porn is healthy, but also how you think it is unhealthy and which part of that you think you experienced, because I'll be honest with you before you get into your story, because I know you have like an in depth relationship with porn uh without actually doing porn. UM. I actually talk about how I

used it to go to sleep. Um, it's been my routine, honestly for the last maybe eight years, Mandy saying it like she's it's been to me. If I don't watch porn and nut before I go to sleep, I have nightmares, or I just lay in bed and can't fall asleep. I haven't to bust a nut to fucking sleep. Okay, So, um, that doesn't mean you need porn, you know yourself? Because well, no,

with with so with me, with masturbating. I can only masturbate visually, so I have my phone in one hand my toy and the other can't do it with my imagination. I know you've talked about being real imaginative and your goddamn mind before may have to watch porn. And so with the pandemic, nigga being at home all day, nigga, damn there rubbing my clip off McClinton is almost non existent. So I've now gotten to the point where it's almost

like it's doing nothing for me. So wait, then, the last time we caught up, you were telling me how like or I don't know if you were telling me or we were talking about it, how you cut off porn. Yeah, I want to can you can you share that with us kind of your unhealthy relationship with it and why you have to cut it off? Yo, So like it got weird? So um here it got weird. Well, well

here's the thing. Like when I like, I am, I represent like two or three different generations of form, right, So I'm like, so I'm being for real, it's a truth. Like I watched three decades of porn and a magazine. I got that. But see all this ship y'all saying it's all accurate, because here's it. Because because here's the thing. I come home, I want to watch WrestleMania, right, I want to watch Mestlemania. Go in my dad's room. The

fucking VCR in the living room don't work. I try to, you know, put the WrestleMania tape and it won't take because already taping the VCR. When I played taping the VCR, they fucking Jimmy Z and ebony A's they fucking And I'm like, ship, now remember Jimmy Z sounds Jimmy Z. Now remember this and I remember this. Now this is doing at that same time, I'm twelve, So think about going from obsessing with titties in the shirt to sing two people funk. A lot of people would hold titties.

A lot of people can deal with that. The obsessions started growing in Okay. So like for me, I think that I went through times in my life to where I did whatever it was the safest for me, you know. And so food was safe, like it was it was something that I would always be able to come back to and you knew it was gonna deliver and really poor and was safe. Like if you if you dial up the computer, you get on some poor and you see something, whatever you want to happen, it's going to

dial up dial up, you know what I'm saying. Whatever

you want to happen for yourself is gonna happen. Like I think where the addiction started started to become like a problem for me then and then a problem even uh sort of more recently, is when it's something that you feel like you kind of have to do that you can't live with that right or or like or or like you're not gonna have a regular day if every once in a while, see what I'm saying, especially being home, if I didn't masturbate at nights to put

myself to sleep, I didn't sleep well, and before I got to bed in the morning, I was like, ship, I didn't watch porn last night, so let me make up for it. And I was watching porn at seven o'clock in the morning and busting off just because I felt like fun. I didn't go to sleep to it. Let me wake up to it. And that's when I was like, Okay, this ain't this ain't right. I don't

really think. I don't know. I don't feel like porn is bad as long as you're not like taking it into real life and like, for example, like if you are into super hardcore sex and then you start slapping motherfucker's that you're fucking like, I think that's when it becomes bad. But as long as you think I'm peg the stallion. I think seven years of gay porn got me to where I am now, and I feel like, fuck,

it's ruining my sex lack. But I think I think anything that you overdo, right, yes, So like so for me this computer, like I can't use this as a fucking pornographic machine all day. I got a right. I ended it ended up being to a situation for me to wear What do you do you use your TV, Like, No, in order for me to get writing done, I had to go to a public place, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, because if I opened it, if I was opening in the computer, my Dick was like, all right, let's go.

You know what I'm saying. What you mean, have you been watching porn? Yeah a little bit. Yeah, it's a lot of hours in a day. Yeah, a little bit, but like not like I was before. Not like are you watching twerking porn still or have you graduated? What was it? What was your what was your porn preference? So everyone knows mine is gay porn. We need this boot cocky and cream pies. What is your porn choice? Big butt twork porn? Yes, big butts work porn? Actual

fucking or is it just dancing? Sometimes? But like but but what you have to understand it's like for me personally and sometimes sometimes there is even but even like it's like because you think the ass obsession is so significant, it's hard for me to watch like other positions. Besides, like Carl girl, have you dated women with big asses? Or this doesn't try like go into real life like this something in the past, but no, no, no, but is this something that's like you need Like for us,

we need niggs with money. Do you need ass? It's not about not necessarily, I don't need a niggle with a big dick. Sorry, it's what I like so to like So when you date even or like preference wise, have you felt over the years because of porn it's kind of messed with you wanting a woman with big tits, are wanting a woman with a big ask because this is how you get off? Well, I mean, yeah, it's there. There's something to be said from being from the South.

I haven't been with too many women that don't don't have nice butts. You know, the girl has a nice butt, So like it's it's not it's not, is it when you come from the South. The women that I would see, that's true, the women like from the South, the women that I would the women that I would say, I want to be honest with you. But like like when when when I like kind of got to college and people were like, yo, man, you know who the finest chicken the world is, the finest white girl, I'll be like,

who would'd be like Angelina Jolie. I'll be like, hell, no, beautiful, but Scarlett Johnson got it like that I can do with I like my little thick girls, but even with men, whirl Man, do you have to that's the game. I gotta pick a white girl. Julia Fox who Carmen, a lecturer, is white, right, yeah, she's not white enough. We need wi for the game, a whier person that I think is fine that I would fuck like and eat her,

little white, little pink pussy. I try to think about it. Um. Oh, you know what, because she's I think she's really good looking. I hate her talent, but iggy Azalia, bitch, I'll be double talent. You just got canceled. God damn, I couldn't be less attracted like it. Literally, it is so wild. The body whoever her doctor is this picture dog. That bitch is beautiful. You know, Okay, she doesn't look that. Don't do that right. She look a little exotic bitch,

one of them blackfishing as white girl. She's a spicy white um. Anyways, no, um, So basically, why or before we get into the horrible decision, which I'm super excited to get into because I've saved this topic just for your ass um, what tips would you give to somebody that thinks that they may be addicted to porn. They

can just say it, but maybe not that much. Like, well, what I'm saying is, like, you know, like the first thing that I would say to anyone that's trying to get a hold on anything is don't cut it out cold turkey, just try to limit it. I looked up one time and I had I had membership to Browsers two Bang Bros. To Reality Kings. You was paying for all this? Yeah, those twelve minute videos up. I pay. I pay for all of it. Number One, I paid

because I support I'm a fan fan. Number two, I pay because I want everything and the best quality when I want it. So I don't like, I don't want to watch four K and I like to download this so I can get to the best part. I don't have to if my stream is downloading it. What I'm saying, So what I'm saying this folder. Yes, I mean from being guys, but I don't know what I'm saying. No,

what I'm saying is this though. What I'm saying is seriously, though, once it starts to kind of rear its ugly head in your relationship or in your uh, in your life, you really have to kind of established limits and they just will go down from there. Fans like seven, you guys know how I knew Van was in a trinking porn not from he said it on his podcast. That's

how I found out. But this is how I really found out because I too, am nasty and they pop up on my explore page, and the only person that would follow these pages it would have one neutual and it was Van fucking Lateen Niggad. I was like, ye, Nick,

it's I'm not gonna category coming. There are guys that every time I used to follow one of those, because I don't really follow them anymore, but every time I will follow one of those, I would see their name down there too, and I would be like, my nigga and some of them are big stars and they know who I'm talking about. But you know, this is why I know me and my my gay my gay homeboys

they call. They say that I am a gay man trapped in a woman body because we've like in all the same nigga's pictures and I'd be like, Nigga, we got the same type. And I'll be following all these minutes and we'll be arguing about whose team these niggas is really on and I'm like, listen, they'd be like, sorry, he plays for me. So let me tell you. Me and Bennie, some of you guys have met Vine at our live show. He's one of my best friends. He's been on the show and he works with Mandy and

Ana tour. Me and Bennie legit have played this game when we've seen men that are super attractive, right, I'll be like, bro, is he gay or not? He's like gay or European? Because the nigga dressed was so we gotta find out, right, So this is no bullshit how this should happened. One time, I think we were on a cruise together and I see this guy. He's dressed cutest, like fun, is he gay or not? So I go up to the guy right Benny's watching. I go up.

I'm excuse me. Do you know the time the guy looks at his phone, he's like, it's m like five. I was like, I'm we Well, guys were probinally getting into this week's horrible decision. And and this is a conversation that Van and I had on his podcast. I think that it's very important to have because we've had so much body positivity, fat shaming, how weight affects your sex conversations, Yet we've never talked to a man and how weight affects him in dating and in the bedroom.

And if you guys aren't familiar with Van's journey, Van, like myself, has gone through a drastic weight lost journey where he decided to get healthier and he's come forward with talking about how his weight affected him in dating and in sex um. But also, you know, we've been talked about as far as shaming chubbier men or thick men,

and I know you hate the term thick. So I wanted to start off this conversation with asking you Van, if we can go back to before you lost your weight and started bagging all the bitches and we can talk about maybe some of your insecurities or how you felt weight affected you not only in the bedroom but with dating. Can you go back and and talk to the women and also the bigger men who who may

be sharing the same experience what that was like for you. Well, for me, you know, it was always plenty of guys that we're a little bit bigger from bad rooms. They did their thing, But for me, I was just too insecure. It like it was. It's like I am one of those people that like when I was at my biggest, I think I was three hundred and seventy pounds, Like, and how tall are you? I'm six four and so so I will walk into I will walk into a room no matter what and be like, everybody's looking at me.

Everybody's looking at the fat nigg in the room. Everyone is looking at me. Everyone is staring at me. I can't eat, I can't do any of this. I can't do anything because if I get a piece of chicken and look at that fat ass niggy, if I said I like, if I if I go like, look if it's hot out, so I look at sweaty ass, fat ass nigger like I just thought that all the time. So what Really it was really interesting in the way that affected me. Uh, because I didn't have any sort

of confidence in my looks. I had to rely on my personality, so I would take it slow. What does that mean? Meaning for a time in my life, the only girls I ever dated a mess with, with girls that I was in classes with or that I worked with. You didn't get on chat lines and stuff up. When he was when he was growing up. Anyways, remember three decades girl, we was, We was catching niggas on my Space and chat lines. When we were, I was, and sometimes you know what that meant. Sometimes I meant you

have to wait the nigga out. That means that like like you start talking to a girl and like you you're getting the whole thing. And then I never forget this tell the story in my book. I was seeing a girl that worked the Best Buy with me, and I was making good progress. You know. It was to the point to where I was impressing her with my fucking knowledge and all the movies I had seen and all that. It was starting to happen. She was coming over to the house and staying over and all of

that stuff. And then I never forget. Like a new nigger started at best Buy. Landing was his name, And as soon as he walked through the door for his interview, I looked at him and I went, that's a fucking problem. As soon as he started for his Landing was like great guy. He ended up being one of the best dudes. He was swollen ship. He ended up pleasure Kappa. He

had to to. He had the three little cuts. My god, and all the little bit back in the day, you know, and he was cool man you talked to Landing, Landing was cool, like it was cool. So he came in, he came for the interview, and then fun I saw him. He got at the job, and I swear to god, it wasn't a week later that I'm taking the trash out and when I passed her the back they're talking. She disappeared for a month. No, she did like she

disappeared for a month. But because Landing was in his back, you know what I'm saying, He was out here during this thing. Eventually I knew that that would fall off. It did fall off, And where where did she? What bead did she fall onto? Three hundred and sixty pounds of love and affection and understanding. So that is kind of what I felt like I had to do. I never, ever, ever, ever thought that I was attractive enough to just go up to a girl and try to see what was

popping um. And it didn't change until it didn't change until something very specific happened. As I was losing weight, Like when I first got out to l A, I started like a like a Yahoo personal profile, and I had my old fat picture up there, right, and I would come back to it every day and it was very very depressing because there would be no hits on it, no clicks, no nothing, like nobody was really thinking. Like,

no one was like giving me. Folks are in l A. Everything is big and running canyon and all that healthy ship out there, right. And so I started losing weight, Like January that year, I started losing weight. So I think it was maybe like July. I came back and I was like, let me change the picture and because to update my ship, and I changed the picture and it was just like nice little picture of me smiling with like a fake Academy award, and I put that

ship up there. And then I'm not trying to say that, I'm like trade songs and nothing like that, but my ship got popping, and that to me was the thing that said, yo, you're straight now. And then it changed the way I kind of viewed things. But what I never lost was the fact that like I just would talk to women, said you're on it was yeah who personals It turned into something else, yeah, like, but I never I never lost the thing that I would just

talk to women. Because I spent a lot of time trying to get to know women and trying to talk them, trying to make them see my personality, and that kind of never was. You know what though, as you have such a warm personality, and as I got older, I understand that people could be like this. But I would say years maybe even like eight years ago, just being at that age where I was earlier twenties, and I would need someone like you, like a van. I would say,

who's so warm and friendly? And I was confused on whether they wanted to funk me or not because they just had that much of a way with words that other men don't. I'm like, is this blotonic or is

it not? Because very few people I think can talk to women and make them feel that comfortable like I mean, that was the only that was the only bullet you had in the gun, right, And it was crazy because I would be around my niggas, right, my my homeboys at that point were all they even still are today, all great looking than outgoing God, all of them were.

And the ship that they would say like I was like yo, like like he like I remember, never forget My boy Trey was like, we're talking to this chick? And I was agreeing with her and trying to be supportive and stuff like that. And Trey was like, Nigga, stop blowing his whole head up, just another example of how stupid women are. And she goes, yeah, women can't be stupid. I was like, what you know what I'm saying? Like,

I was like, that's that works? So yeah, I'm like, Ben, I want to know, because you you mentioned going from you know, three d and seventy pounds you lost the weight, what was the difference in sex for you as a bigger guy, Like were there limiting positions as a bigger guy where you did you find yourself out of breath?

I joke all the time about how as a big girl these knees wasn't no mad to stalion, so I ain't ride a no dick um And I mean, I I know that I felt a difference when I lost eighty pounds, um from how I was energetic in the bedroom or not. How does that affect a man in

the bedroom way better? Number one, Like I used to have so I used to be self conscious about sweating all because I used to sweat on I used to sweat on you just the sweat would be just dripping down seeing one girl and she was like doing like this, Like I was like the sweat was dripping down, and so I like I had all kinds of But more than anything, anything that you're expressing yourself physically, it's it's gonna be better, especially sex when you're there to make

some secrets. It's gonna be better. The more free and confident you are, you know what I'm saying. The more you feel like yo, like hold on pause. Knowing that she wants to fuck you that bad is gonna help your performance. Like being halfway about it, like is she doing this just because she loves me? Is she doing this just because it's time? But knowing that she actually wants to fuck badly because she's super atracted to you, that lowers your inhibitions. Now you're not playing a mind

game with yourself. You're not wondering how you look. You're not trying to like, you know, keep the lights down and nothing, none of that. Ship like that you into it, like you felt like when you were bigger, women genuinely did not want to have sex with you because I were big, And you see, I feel like it's so funny because I actually talked about the opposite. I know, as a bigger woman as a BBW when you know, they kicked me, they kicked me out of the BBW club.

But when I was bigger, when I was two hundred and thirty pounds, I felt that men fetish sized my size and loved the size I was because when I started losing weight, men were mad. Did you have any women that treated you that way to where they actually liked you as a bigger guy? Look, they probably did, to be honest with you, Like, a lot of people gonna be listening to this and they're gonna be like, yo, Van, we always Van was always kind of but I didn't

feel that way about myself. And see and see, I think that's the thing, Like, if you're still in a position where you're desirable, right, if you're going some places that people are coming to you, then that's at least one way for you to gauge, like how you're going to feel about yourself because you know people are still working with you. But if that's not happening, then it's all in your mind about how you look and how you feel. Like I used to want to with the

lights off. Now I'm saying, let's turn on the ring like Nigga. So yeah, So I mean that was the whole thing, is just But there were a lot of things that changed as far as like I freed my brain. It wasn't it wasn't for me. And they are by the way, there are people, millions of people, billions of people that are chubby fluffy. I hated that fluffy term that are completely okay with its sexy, proud, whatever boom. I just wasn't one of those people. It was inhibiting

for me, so I had to get rid of it. Now, we interviewed a girl shout out to Ashley chubby Bunny, she doesn't that That was the first time I've ever heard someone told me that they don't care to be called fat. She was like, oh, I am fat, Like it isn't it is, Like I guess I've always used it, looked at it as a derogatory word. And she was saying and her and Mandy were going back and forth,

and I found it so interesting. Mandy was like, I don't like fluffy and the girls like and Mandy was talking about she didn't like when men squeezed her, and the girl was like, well, I like it and it's so interesting how because to me, I think what that shows us is one or the other has had someone had an influence of someone saying that there that their body isn't right, or one is not celebrated enough, And

I think that's really the problem. Is like if you are dating somebody, if you're a woman who's dating a bigger dude, making them feel sexy, women don't do that to their men. Often, men, I believe, to be honest, give more compliments out dished them out way more to women. And for some reason, we don't do the same celebrating somebody's body whatever it fucking looks like. It's very important making sure that you know that men could have insecurities too,

without letting that turn you off. We just assume they's gonna be confident and feel good. Well, I actually do want to give a tip to um. And this is before we wrap up and get to our homemail and get out of here. Um, I want to leave a tip. Man, I would like you to leave a tip too. But even off of what Weezy just said, as far as women leaning in and giving compliments to their men, one of the things that make my men, my lovers, my

partners blush. Um, And it's something that I do with especially the ones that I just find fucking makes me even hotter. Like is when we're done having sex or we're just chilling in the house and we're in bed, were naked. When they stand up, I make them walk back and forth at the end of the bed and tell them how fucking good they look naked, And I just love I'd be like, before you go to the bathroom, can you just walk back and forth for me? And it makes them blush and I'll be like, God, damn,

you look good naked. And that's something that I love to do when someone's at there, literally there there, there's nothing on, no boxers, no socks, were laying down and when they stand up, I'm just like, can you just model for me? Real quick? Walk back and forth? And it's something that gets a giggle. But that's how I like to show the man that I'm with it. I think they're I'm completely attracted to them and everything about

them looks beautiful from their head to their toil. Um. I guess then before we let you go and get to our homemail, Um, do you have a tip for any of the bigger men listening or or women who are dating big men to make maybe their partners feel more confident in themselves. Um well, one thing that always that I use even now with my girl is affection, like like number one, Like I'm very affectionate. Like affection is uh a way that you always let someone know that,

like you're physically connected to it. So if you're if if someone if you feel, if you feel like you're not desirable, then you're gonna feel like nobody wants to touch you. And that is the thing that emotionally isolates you. Like when you feel like no one wants to touch you, who would want to touch me? The moment that you are touched by somebody, you feel like this is a person who is willingly being close to me. When I say affectionate, I don't mean like being draped on over

somebody all the time. When she walks by, smack her asked real quick, I like it, you know what I'm saying. Like like with like like you pass by, kiss on the back of the neck. You know what I'm saying. And like with with with women, if you if you're mad sitting down, play the game your ball, he's bothering you. He's not playing the game. Just if you want to get his attention, roll over, lay your head on his

lap real quick. I'm not saying pull his meat out and suck his dick, although that would be amazing during the game. I feel like it depends on the game, like if you if it does, like if you see, if you're, if you're know, if you if you're a dick sucker. I think that's my problem today. I tried to come in here and sucking the dick, you know, you know. It was the like he can get the pussy all the time, Like I'm always sucking dick. So I was trying to suck dick while he was like

kind of working. I don't know if he was really working. He was like, baby, I gotta finish this. And I was like, really, y'all was tired, and my fucking egos brud And I was like, you know what, because I dick suck a lot, I'm a dick. But the reality is that that's dope. But that man also gotta get ship done. So pick your battles, pick your blest, a whole as job. We got a whole jobs job. Anyway, show the person the person that you show him you're attracted to him by touching them. I love that. I

love that. So again, before you get out, we're not We don't have homemail today, but we have a whole confession. Um this is actually one sentence. We spoke about machine Sex recently and someone wrote in and said, high ladies, big fan of the show. I've recommended it to so many friends. The conversation around normalizing kinks and expressing your needs is so important. I just listened to the most recent episode and I wanted to share my experience with

machine sex. My partner and I sometimes do m m F. Now we talked about this with um ms be nasty MMF being male male female, but she is referring to male machine female. He bought the machine earlier on in our relationship because he was planning on making a film project with it, or at least that was one of the reasons he gave me. He would also use it

for solo play once in a while. He is into pegging, and for a while we had opposite schedules, so when I wasn't around for that kind of play, he could do this on his own. I wasn't interested in the machine until about a year into our relationship, and I finally thought, why not. When we play, he controls the machine, which is very hot for him. He can make it go faster or slower, and he can watch me get penetrated. And he can also see how excited I get. He

loves it when the machine is going. I can also suck his dick while getting fucked, which is very exciting for me. You can attach any size dil do you want to the machine? It never gets tired and it's all over. And when it's all over, I get a cuddle with my partner and the machine doesn't get any of our attention. My experience with machine play has been great. Stay healthy. You ever played with a machine? Um man? No? I used to have a subscription to machines dot com.

Do you ever have a sleevedu dot com? Machines dot com, Kin dot com? I had a subscription. I can't know I did have. You are a really important just like never play with she but had a subscription of fucking machines dot com. You know what it is. You can just add him on like once you're on browsing. The ship was like, do you want to join dog Pound? For a dollar? They get they get you with fucking

five sites. It's like you join one and they go, that's that's that's really what it is, thirty dollars lifetime membership to this office. I'm like, fuck, why not? You know what at the end of the day, shout out to Crystal Lia. It doesn't make a fucking Okay, you see that it adds a dollar a month? Am I

gonna miss twelve dollars for a bit? I'll drink that ship is Starbucks And like a second, facts was seventeen dollars and nineties six cents today and I'm like, what the fuck's three only fans depending on who the girls are. Who's one of your favorites before we get out? Yes, Oh, I don't know. I don't remember now, like it's too many. It's like it's like a lot of good, good all of them. I mean, oh, you know what, but you

know what, Miss being Nasty is great. Yeah, she's made, but she's like she's a savant at it though, like she's like weirdly not just it's just like she's super entertaining as well. Yeah, I'm starting to get to some point where I don't know, and this is no shade to miss being Nasty. I'm so enamored with watching her. I don't masturbate to it anymore. What she donna do now, it's almost performance art one is. And I actually was was telling her. I was like, this, this is why

I don't even make videos. Well, first of all, I don't like sending nudes or videos anyways, but I was like, when I see the only fans content that comes across my Twitter timeline, I'm like, if this is what bitches are sending the nigga's phones, I can't compete. I cannot fucking compete. Be Nasty was talking about how she would get her foot and suck a dick like this, and I was like, I'm a regular person now, I thought I was. If y'all, if y'all love what Van had

to say. First off, Van, thank you for finally getting on with us and joining us for horrible decisions. Before we get out of here, let everyone who doesn't know, even though I feel like they're about to know who the funk you is. For those who don't know, let them know you're at name where they can find you, and also what other content you got coming out so people can listen to you a little um, hotel as sometimes you hotel, but not really. We're gonna listen to

your hot takes. Um A Van Layton on Instagram and Twitter. Of course, we have Way Down in the Hole and Jamal Hill that's based on the wire podcast we have right now. We have a brand new podcast coming with me and Rachel Lindsay Uh to start on the Ringer Um in the next weeks. No, Rachel Lizard is the first black batchel Light. Okay, so I thought she was white too by that name. No, Rachel Lizard is gonna

be great. Um. Other than that, like, we got a couple of TV shows coming out, We've got a couple of different We've got a lot of ship going on. So just stay with me. Black Would you look at that? I think he knows the color of his co host. I don't care. I just didn't believe it. I wanted to see what yesterday I saw on the zoom. She's a black girl. Black girl. She's not even like a yeah, it's yeah, she's a little girl. Well, I mean, if you guys haven't listened to listen yet and we have

them coming on our podcast. We I saw the title to your episode on Poor Minds and she's like, am I black enough? Or whatever the fucking title was. They'd be coming up with titles next week. You guys are gonna hear poor minds on our show. I just did their show. Check them out. They were really fun, Like I think they did a great job in asking me questions like that that we're kind of I feel like when people have me on their podcasts, they want to

be like, oh, hell's the wrrible decisions? Cand of talk about your threesomes. But they were like, yo, we'll be reading comments where people say that you want to be white, and I was like, that was a good question. I do want to um before we get off of here, UM, thank you guys for tuning in. Yes, we are on YouTube now, so we haven't done it yet. UM, but I actually want to give a huge shout out to the person in charge of our videos and social Benson.

You guys heard Benson when we were in the studio a little bit, but I don't think we've acknowledged him as someone who's been making sure that we have our videos up on YouTube. So I do want to give a shout out to Benson. I also want to give a huge shout out as always to our Patreon community. UM. Without y'all, there would be no US, honestly right now,

God damn y'all keeping us afloat UM. If you guys are all you know, if y'all are all caught up with a horrible decisions content, be sure to join us. And we are leaving you a five minute clip after this. Also, if you guys missed me um having a conversation again, I told you guys. I went on Live um last Tuesday with Jadenna, my fucking future husband. We ended up talking about mating in captivity by Esther parrel Um and

it was just a really really good conversation. If you guys want to hear a conversation where it's three black men digging into intimacy and desire and communication, it's really good. I know that you guys hear Wheezy and I and a ton of females, but it was really good to just be the one girl in a room of up to four black men about I mean, I ain't I ain't gonna. I was like, God damn dinner, you're making

me fucking what stop. I was really like, I'm a stapio sexual now, I'm very sexual sexual and I'm a stapio sexual now. So it's on Jadenna's YouTube. If you go to his his um channel you can tune into us. So it's the lit review and literally every week it's black men reviewing books. That makes my pussy wet. I don't know about you, but it makes my fucking pussy wet. So check that out. Um. And yeah, do you have any anything for to let them know about with you

before we get out of here? No, I'm a loser anyways. Um, guys, we want to thank you all for tuning into yet another episode of Horrible Decisions by and we talked about it, so for this it is gonna lead me to ask you a question to This is where we get a little crazy. So the whole fact that I found is Lisa Sparks, who is a porn star, holds the record for having intercourse with the most men in twenty four hours.

She is recorded to have sex with nine hundred and nineteen men in twenty four hours, setting a world record in two thousand, bitch. So my question is how many men max would you have sex with in a twenty four hour time frame? In exchange for one million dollars? I had to throw money out there because we ate ship. So how many men, max? Would you have sex with in twenty four hours in exchange for a million dollars? So this is thinking the most how is you would

be for a million dollars? It's just a million, and I got a lot of people to take care of. I. I'm not gonna lie nine and something that's not happening. First of all, in real life, the max that I've had sex within twenty fours is two men. And that's all that I'm gonna do to me. That is like, it's a lot of energy, and I didn't feel good about that. I even if I got the million dollars, I feel like I don't know where I would be at mentally, and I am a freak. But I also

like value my body. No matter what people say about me. I do. It's gonna be too and it's gonna be the best, great, the best two sexes of the million dollar lots. But but you gotta go board and two. If you'd have did two for free, I don't know, it's not it's not gonna be quality. I'm just gonna be laying there and I'm gonna look like I'm just gonna be laying there like it's not I can't do it. That's a lot of body and that's only a million. Now you want to talk about somebody bit, I need

gonna hold you. You know how excited I just got forgetting that's well, honey, all what bitch? Like, what are we doing with all the men? Is it just I just gotta lay down and open my legs. I can't do it. I'm tired. I'm me sleep. No, No, You're like, m it's max is to what's your first off? This question wasn't for me because I ain't even gonna hold You got a lottle fantasy of a little gang day. So I'm like, damn, man, I get paid a million, I ain't gonna probably do do a solid six. That's

a lot it is with it. I'll be watching these gang bangs and you know, I'll be going down to poor and rabbit hole and I'm like, this looks like fun six healthy thought about being on a court with a starting five before, so like, damn, look at this starting five, bitch, all of them could get it at the same time. Bitch, I would have thought about being

in the locker room. Okay, ship, I have been having fantasies lately about a train being ran on, saying you can't do a train with two bitch caboo we need So the next segment is the horrid r I decided to find a sex tip, and I would love for you to add a sex tip. Um. I wanted to focus on quarantine sex tips, and because my feet is so goddamn raggedy, I was trying to look up sex tips involving sucks because I don't want to show these feet even if I decided to have dick during the

stay at home. So I actually ended up finding this is a sex tip, but the sex tip is to have socks on while having sex. Women who have difficulty reaching orgasm just may have cold feet. Literally. There's a study that found that giving women warm socks increased their chance of reaching an orgasm. Environment is key when having sex, especially for women. So whole Steed found that the reason socks tend to boost the female sex drive is because

they help women feel safe and secure. So if you're trying to reach climax, you have a tougher time if the parts of your brain that cause fear and anxiety are active. So they say that for women. We talked about using lube as a way to reach orgasm. So here's a sex tip if you haven't tried it yet, try fucking with socks on and bitch the way my feet are set up right now, I'm here for it. Let me know I could get an orgasm with these feet. Look in the way they do sins, because it's so crazy.

Because I fucking hate people, I would run, maybe some like thigh highs and like a like a pantyhose or something with the cold. It's something about socks, and that is one of the reasons why I can't get into black porn. I hate when in the makeup, the hair on the women bother me. But wait, you hate a man even sucking it socks