Ep166: A "Lifestyle" in Quarantine Feat Aidian & Carmen

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use our offer code w D five zero. Now let's get on with this week's episode. Hi, guys. God damn it, we fucking made it. Another episode of motherfucking horrible fucking Decisions. Yes, that's how the funk I feel, because great fucking Monday getting here. I'm over this fucking remote record. We were supposed to be recording and done over two hours ago. God dammit, everything that can go wrong has gone wrong today. What is going on? What fucking other podcast out there

is putting in the university? Is sucking esoteric bitches at home? They don't know what to do. They just google and ship. How here you go? While you over here, motherfucking sag and get the get those bed spirits out your life. God damnit in my life this whole time. This is a this is a horrible Decisionship. I'm gonna smoke some weed and some hollow Oh goodness. Anyway, guys, welcome again to another episode of Horrible Decisions. Did's your girl? Mandy be Ak stand ak bitch a k A Mandy Baskins,

bitch Mandy Baskins. Um, what's up? Paulo? Santo? Home? And I'm high. There's only been three episodes to date where I've been high if you count adderall, maybe five, But as far as we'd just three and today's number number O trace number. I'm I'm doing this for Carman. What the fun? What I'm saying? So, guys, I'm excited today because we have another couple joining us. And so if you are in quarantine and you are getting dick or pussy, you know, good for fucking you. Um, this episode is

for your ass. It ain't for me, but it's for y'all dick and out there fucking. So we have a couple who is not only going to talk about where they are in the lifestyle because they are a part of the lifestyle. We are also going to talk about how to keep things spicy during quarantine, and we is gonna talk about how the hose was present with me during the virtual orgy and how that kept them excited. So can you guys go ahead? We do awful of

introducing our guests. I thought that was good enough. Y'all are a couple, but our audience know your name and what you guys do because you guys also have a podcast, So can you tell our audience who you are? Um, So, my name is Carmen and my name is Aidian and we're the Bull and Bunny Podcast. How y'all start a podcast? Is this how it goes? Pret it's been a year.

So we actually what like two years ago when you guys did your first live show, that's when we so we restarted our podcast last year when you guys did your first live show, we had just been doing it for a few months, and then we stopped for like a year, I think, and then we came back we started last year. Well, to have it for a year is a long time. And I only asked you that because Mandy and I still don't know what the fun we're gonna say every time we started. You know, we

have the same problem. I'm gonna get some wrap tunes or whatever. At the end of the day, y'all, the show starts with yahho okay, and when the motherfucking start, got Jimmy and when you, I guess, do it? Mandy? Is that scratch? That's the scratch she gave you on your face? Yes, bitch, I told you almost killed the nig I was. It looked like I was clients here, so my cat jumped up at me while I was just like on the bed. Bitch, I was on live too.

I didn't even see it, so bit he jumped up and his claw went like poke and bitch it just started bleeding. And then here I go. I called my mom because I'm like, I'm gonna kill him. I'm gonna kill the motherfucker. The cat is about to fucking die. So I called my mom and she's sucking laughing. She's like just the ploy pruss her. And then she gets real doctory on me and it's like, well, the head bleeds the most, and I'm just like what. I'm like, I'm like, no, my vagina bleeds the most. Cheek should

not be pouring blood right now? Oh I get it, like I don't know it was just pouring blood. I was like, so, yeah, this is a scratch. And then I didn't want to put a band aid under it and look like fucking nelly. Bit it looks like a like you look like you killed somebody at least through this screen it do it look like a little tear drop and let me put a little I'm gonna do a little tattoo picture though. You can't be smiling now, Hard. First off, my smile lights up the room like here's mad. Hard,

I'm not gonna lie. I used to think a duel, what a tear drop tattoo was so sexy until I realized it meant they like probably kill somebody kind of fire if it like you know what I'm saying, like a gang shootout. No, because you know, if he'll kill for money, he'll definitely kill for you, nigga, they're killing for money and pussy. It's probably just the money in the drug I eventually those are the top two reasons. Bitch money and no. The women kill for dick. There's

a whole show about it. Women are killing for dick, men are killing for drugs the money first of all of like murders or men. I think it's like eighties, Yeah, I mean yes, that part. I'm talking about the snap bitches like they do it because in there for killing drugs ten percent, it's for some like weird schizophrenia ship and the rest of the percent. Because I don't do mathematics, you just did a hundred and twelve percent total. I don't know what type of circle that has no pie

charts should see me. When a sale is going on in the store, they could say something basic like the dress could be a hundred bucks and twenty percent off, and I'm still like, okay, Well, can you add up? You're trying to get the final I'm out with text, that's what it is. That's your excuse. I'm gonna bitch starting me home. Anyways, we're gonna get this started because there's definitely a lot to get into. So once again, if you have a partner, this episode is definitely for you. Ship.

Bitch this asid reflux. Ain't no motherfucker A bitch had Dominican coffee today. That's just strongest. I honestly would try to take over and let Mandy get her rest together, but I'm so fucking high right now. They're gonna think we're unprofessional. Get me. We're in a quarantine. I can't I doing my job, by nigga. Let me try to read this Vanilla's ship to be honest. Well, I don't look see no, you can't read it all. I'm a read because bitch, I have to make up for Patreon

because they said I was reading in hieroglyphics. Bitch, I got on Patreon so drunk, I don't know what I was reading for the words out there, let me tell you how many times being said the word euphemism? How many syllables? She was like, she was like that you you it was it wasn't and you said that word. It was some bullshit. Anyways, we're gonna get it to our vanilla ship. As you guys know, vanilla ship involves sex in the news and of course, um without giving

all of the shines to only fans. I found an article in the New York Times talking about how sex work has come home. More of us are making and watching sexual performances online now and fewer fewer of us are paying for it. This article actually touches on quite a few of the models on cam Soda who are seeing more viewers, but it's not necessarily translating into more coins. Um. It says that there has been a seventy increase in overall sign ups, which make about three point seven million

just in the past months. How they're making more money? How to fund that? Math go? Because sixt so can Soda. You can you can watch, like they have ways to where you can watch, and you have to like donate for more, Like they won't necessarily let me see pussy, but you gotta give me ten more coins. But you have to give me coins in order to keep going, you know what I mean? Um, And it says that the off um they create their own currency, so each token is worth five sets, so the model can take

off an item in clothing, do a sexual act. I guess Niggas is just really on there, not trying to spend no money. Um. But it's also um something to know that over what thirty million people have applied for unemployment. So yes, you have, you know, women on only fans who are making money, but not the majority are making that much money because you have to realize people are still not getting checks every two weeks. Every week the tips they make a lot of people are out of jobs.

This leads me to bring into other ways people are in Joe sex visually. So guys, I shared with you guys that I was the host. It was my first time hosting, So tell these holes if I did a good or bad job, I'll take critique. Um. But anyways, I hosted a virtual orgy and Carmen and Adien we're in there, and I was like, oh, bitch, I know

y'all before. So in order to get the couples kind of relaxed, um, we started off with a game of truth or dare do you guys want to continue sharing what your experience was like what you guys were comfortable doing on camera, um, and kind of how it helped your sex life a little bit. Um. Yeah, we actually went to two sex orgies, so that one and another one so that one. By the way, I want, let's give a shout out to our past guest, Daniel saying.

Daniel saying he is. We're actually going to have him on the podcast next week too, so awesome, so you guys will here. Um, I guess h definitely a really

good go of an episode. But Dannil Saint is the founder of a sex club called n SFW and it's been called the premier place up to to have sex in New York, across the globe, people flying from everywhere, and basically he has a system where he can vet people out based on what they look like and start almost a page to where you have a community to where you can meet people before you even get to the sex club, which I think is great because stuff

I wanted, Yeah, I wanted to wear warm up. I guess if you guys can not only share your experience, I want to get into of course, I'm going to ask you what you thought, how the people looked, what they did like, I want to get into that just a little bit. Um, so if you guys can please share your experience as a couple going onto a virtual orgy. So I feel like we were kind of against the idea to join virtual sex orgies because we've gone to

like real orgies and real sex parties before. I wasn't really sure what to expect, and I'm honestly sick and tired of being on Zoom. Like I'm sorry, guys, because I know we're on Zoom right now. I've been in every day. So, UM, I didn't I did not want to do another virtual call, but UM, I was like, you know what, let's just try it out because we're in. We ran a What'sapp group What's Up group with like n s W. It was the first one that they started. Um they've had to start a new one since just

because of security reasons. But we decided that like this one particular one because I had one. It was one of the competitions. Yeah, we had a free pass there. What's App groups for free passes, so it would be like today's post, you know, a sexy teasing pick, and then whoever had the sexiest pick would get a free pass to go to any of the parties. Oh night, So right, So you guys, So you guys got in again. Y'all were one of the first couples that even showed

up on camera. There were a lot of couples that seemed a little shy in the beginning. Um, and so you guys got on and we played truth or Dare? Do you want to share? Y'all? Is ready? I like what you wanted to do? So no, because you called us on. Um, we were invited, and I was like, do we really want to go on? Do I really want everyone to see? Um? So we accepted it, and then you know, I got kinky real quick. But I mean I can't when I play truth or Dare, I

have to say dare. Like I feel like I'm a pussy if I say truth, Like if I had just said it was super fun And as a host, I let you guys chose dare and the dare that I gave them this was like, mind you maybe an hour into the fucking sex orgy, so nothing was really popping off. The DJ was just you know, flogging his naked girlfriend. DJ. The DJ was lit, The setup was I was just like Nigga that's your house. So they chose there, and I told them to go into the kitchen and choose

something out of their refrigerator to lick for the other person. Yep, I mean, I mean we just went classic with the whipped cream. I'm surprised there was even something like a bit we went classic. I'm saying, no, like, you know, there's other some people might grab some other ship. I don't know there's you know, I was just talking about that. I just moved in here, and I'm like, if I went at my refrigerator right now, what would I have

to lick off of anybody? That's what I'm saying. What are you gonna so I have some chicken broth, some d ship? I got a bit damn skippy hole. Okay, so you know what's crazy. I don't keep my my my peanut butter in my frieze. You don't like it to be no revigerate after opening. Okay, No it doesn't say that. Hold, I'm about to read it. No, my almond butter does, but this one doesn't. I was about to say, I should be right in my cabinet hole.

I got a little skippy um, so I mean I would put I really like blue cheese and sour cream. So it looks like I could. I could lick all some sour cream. Okay, I put sura cream. Put a little paper on that hole. Maybe kind I'm high, I noticed it, but I'm licking peanut butter. It looks like ship like you can just know she got shipped on her fingers and licked it before. That's why you want to talking about. You didn't seeing the dudo in the booty and the motherfucker diamond nails. I be a dudo

in the booty. You don't want licking it off your finger right now. It's not someone's asshole. Let's start with that. I refrigerated it. Did you put it in someone's asshlough? Because that was the first thing you got when we were talking about licking something else and somebody? You want me he trying the trouble butter, what would you like? I want to people better? You know what that is. You're nasty, That's what I'm saying. You nasty. You'll be

liking ship. It's okay, You'm douna two point oh she uh. But guys, I want to get back into because we've been getting so many questions about the virtual orgies, So, um, do you want to share a little bit of what the other couples did over the night, And of course we all loved what was her name? She just had

the she's so cute. She was teething the whole she was teasing, like she would just like slow dance and then she got she had this bomb mass lingerie on and then she just like did a flirty laugh and would put her like nipples in the Did she have a guy that was there, yes, but he was playing video games, so she's like, I wonder. So I went to an orgy the next week and there was a girl with red hair who was like ship teasing the

whole time. She So it was a couple's orgy, so there was no single people, so it was a little bit less, and it was really funny because me and old Bay were in there and at first we were getting into it right, but we started it because it started at nine pm Eastern, Yeah, which too early for an orgy, because when you've got people that are in

specific time, what the fun. So I'm literally cleaning up dinner, there's fish on the table and I'm like just put it on, and there's some girl who's just rolling around or turning down, and this nig was like, what the funk they got going on? I'm like, oh no. So we get a little high and we're just watching the

ship and I was trying to get horny. But it started to get funny because one couple was really about it and they just kept talking ship to the people that wouldn't get on camera on the screen getting sucked. She's like, wow, nobody, you guys right in And I was like, this is getting weirder and weird. So so share with our audience, Carmen and Adien your what you thought of it, what you saw, what you like, what you didn't like, what, what were your thoughts of the

couple and would you do it again? So I think it was pretty cool. I mean that was so like Carmen said, that was our first one. Um, it was I like the setup of it. You know, there was only a few people on camera, so it made it where it wasn't too noisy, you know, the DJ four at a time the way they yeah it was it was for yeah, which is nice because we went so we can kind of compare it to the Zoom sex party we went to later that night. Where there was

like thirty people in there and everybody's talking. It's mad loud, like you can't really oh yeah, that's yeah. No, it's not the same. In Plus, the Zoom party, everybody was kind of just sitting there talking. Nobody was really fucking versus the party that the nsf W party, everybody was kind of even if they were shy, they were at least doing some stuff, you know what I mean, Like they were ye like we get loose. Yeah, we saw oral. We saw someone do a wax wax play. Um. The

cute girl ended up doing the nipple clamps. She had whole like fucking contraption on her nipples. Um. The stripper. There was a stripper that came on. She was phenomenal. I mean a little glitchya looked a little pixel lated, but the stripper was dope. Um to jerk off guy, he was super shy, and I dared him to jack off and like talk to us while he jacked off. Um,

and so yeah I did. I did that. And then another guy, you know, he was he was going hard and then he was kind of awkward though, because I'm sitting there and I'm like, like, you're on the screen. Because I don't want to, so just to let you guys know what it looks like. So like with Zoom, if you've been to a larger Zoom party or Zoom conference call, you probably see twenty screens and you can

flip flat back and forth through the pages. So much like if you're watching this on YouTube right now, it's just you and those other screens, so you really see they see you, and you see them, and you're like, okay, and everybody else that's in there is what like, there's twenty other people that are sitting in here watching you guys too, So I'm sitting there. She jerked, she dared him to jerk off, and I'm like, oh yeah, camera, yeah,

that's right. So up the four it was him, you guys, me and the DJ, and the DJ's music just turned down. Um and yeah, he just started just started stroking. Then we had the other guy, we um, I had him stripped tease. He was super shy, but he was super into it. Girl. He started hitting my phone up in the nff W chat after I was like, whoa, all right, glad you glad you felt free there? But whoa there it's said from nine to eleven and I upped and that was it. He was like, you made me feel

so comfortable. I was like, okay, now when I was in the other origin. So the week after, the host was like really getting it in, like showing pussy, like doing mad ship. Right. So we're sitting there and I'm looking over. I said, you know, me hosted this last week, and I really want to know what so so, did I do a good job hosting the sex party? Guys? I mean we've never so we've only been to sex

parties like in person. You know, it's hard to host something like this online because you're just you're dealing with It was so hard. I ain't even gonna hold you. I was like, I'm tired. I killed a whole bottle of wine. I had to like entertain and keep daring people and okay, who's coming on next? And it was it was definitely a lot of one to keep everyone it. I was like, likee I give you a break, Well, let me get off screen. It was it was long, um,

but no, it was exciting. I guess before we get into our hor derv, is this something that you suggest. I know, I know we all are fed up with zoom, but do you think that it was exciting for you guys to try this virtual orgy, or or how did it affect your relationship and sex? I don't I don't know. Maybe you could speak differently on this, but I don't feel like it changed anything for us sexually because we

were already kind of just like open um. But I can see if you're new, and we did an episode about this, but like, if you're new to the lifestyle, you've never been to a party, I feel like a virtual sex party can actually be a good start because sometimes sex parties it could be a lot, and if you're someone who gets intimidated in that situation, you might want to retract. And it's already hard because like, let's let you drove like two or three hours to get

to this party. You're not gonna drive two three hours after you just got there to go home because you feel uncomfortable. So at least on a virtual party, you have the option to go in and go out as you please, which is a nice, nice thing. Literally. I think the other thing part about it too, is the voyeuristic part of it. Like in a real sex party, you know you're there, you could be looking, but you see people looking at you looking, and so that can

feel uncomfortable because you feel like a creep. You're not sure what you're supposed be doing, and you can get some uncomfortability there. But I'll be honest, I don't think a orgy is crazy exciting virtually for people who have already done orgies, but assuming that the most of you may have not, I would definitely look into NSFW. The

tickets are like moderately priced um at ship. At this rate, the way I'm talking about tickets, I really feel like we don't have the I'm not gonna lie just even the production it was a lot, Well you gotta pay, Like I don't want a DJ because I feel like that's weird because DJ the DJ don't I saw it too.

But at the same time, like I mean, if you guys are trying to start your own I got an idea for a different way to do this that I've been dying to, like try it out, but we could talk later because hear me out right, if the DJ is on and then you got somebody dancing and he's on a one to one too, but she hears it one second delay and she on a three four five. Oh that's why that's why we ain't listening to hip

hop where you gotta be on beata. He was playing some other type of white people ship ship right yo, ships where there is no beat. I felt like I should have been on like doing shrooms or something, and I've never even done anything else besides smoke. But it didn't sound like this here we go. No, it actually no, No, that's like porn music, not too porny. No, it was

like more housey space vibe let. It was. It was like the type of music where you don't know when it starts and when it ends, but it's like you know, at some point he changed the song. It's just like it all sound even when the song change. But also you can still fun to it. So it was. It was cute. It was cute. It was cute. Well, I like what you said, Um, I agree. I think that.

Of course, with this podcast, a lot of people have thoughts of going to sex founding and like if transform um who did I know that, Like a lot of people definitely wanted to get into um sex clubs, orgies group sex um. So again, I definitely recommend this UM. But anyways, we're gonna get God damn this fun ship a bitch is burning. Well, we're going to get into

the Horror Derve. If you guys have never heard our show, the Horror of Derve is an awesome segment and it is about all the sex tips we can give you. And here is the one for this week. So trying kneeling beside your partner during oral instead of in front of them. If you typically kneel in front of someone

during a blowjob, try and kneeling beside them. Not only will this give you give them a great view of your ass, but you also might it more comfortable and easy for you to stimulate your kids clip while giving it all. Now, I've given this tip all of the time in reverse as far as men eating pussy from

the side because the lips match lips. Oh, you have given this as a sex tip I get everywhere because I feel like it's really really helpful, and like we just keep the monotony so much with certain things like oral. I think we think the way to change it up. At sixty nine, do you guys have a sex tip for us? Oh? Um, off the top of my head could be solo. Just whoever comes out with it first.

Boat Off the top of my head. I was just gonna say, buy something and try, like whether that's a toy or restraint anything like that, Like just something because it's it's gonna make you do something different, especially the longer in a relationship and you want to find a way to switch it up a little bit and just regular sex might not just cut it. So what's what's the last thing you guys brought together? Quick? Okay, I don't really know how to explain it. I said, it's

like a restraint. It's probably a restraint. It's the best way to put it. So, um he puts it like on my chest and then it holds my arms in place and my legs in place. I feel like, now, oh, I see oh ship. So it's actually it's kind at some bondage type of ship. Yeah. So it basically her legs, like from her thighs get strapped up to her arms or and then you can get those big can those fit um big die hose like me because my dad's don't be wanting to fit in no gardens. And none

of that is adjustable, bro, Yeah it's adjustable. Doesn't say big die adjustable like good for big dies. Conferences three inches on circumference for the thought. Hell, no, my thighs like the same size of my waist. It's circumforts like yeah, but I know my waist is like aund about right, but my waist and I think my thigh is the same as my waist. I got it halfway halfway down. Okay, all right, Well I'm gonna have to put them holes around my ankles. Ankles, so you you tied each other up.

I guess too. This was a question I was gonna ask in the horrible decision when we get into it. But um, since we're talking about it now, for vanilla couples, I hate to label them that way, but couples who may not be in the life started couples, what would you suggest for a couple who is just now trying to introduce things into the bedroom, what thing would you suggest them to buy? First? Um, so I would say this kind of sounds intense. But the wax, um, it's

it turns into massage oil. So it's a candle. You light it, it turns into massage oil, and then um, you can pour it on the body. And I like the warmth. It's not too hot like candle wax. Like your point candle wax onto you. But it's nice because then you could um use that to kind of like stimulate your partner and a full body massage like one I want to. I think hot wax is actually so far down. I'm shocked you said that. Really, what would say?

You think? You think that that's too that's too intense. Do you think it needs to be something more vanilla? Yes, But I also think that the suggestion is really different. Like I feel like people have heard this ship all the time. I would say like super small, like blindfolding, which sounds basic, but to lose sight is very intense

during sex. Um, I would say basic thing would be like the tape to tape around your wrists like hand or hand for the same time, if we're if we're doing like real vanilla ship, I would say like a

clip stimulators and that I was gonna go there. Um. The first person that brought sex toys into the bedroom with me, we went to the sex store together and he bought the wand so he was really trying super hard to make me squirt and I guess he saw it in a porn this fucking and this was it was like yeah, and this is when it plugged into the wall because this is about two thousand, like eight two nine. So I plugged in the wall, but it had a big old like mushroom tip and it just vibrated. Like,

what's the problem? I was eighteen puss all ship Anyway, I've grown up my ship charges now, Okay, it doesn't need to be you haven't grown up technology that too. Um. Anyways, we're gonna go ahead and now get into our whole facts. I do like again, if you guys have any tips on what you brought into the bedroom with your partner, first, please share it with us. UM tweet us hashtag horrible decisions on Twitter, right it under the comments when we

post the cover art for this episode. Um, and yeah, like, let's just, you know, share what we bring into the guy damn bedroom. So speaking of vibrators, it leads us into our hole facts. I found this completely interesting and Carmen let me know, or Wheezy let me know if you knew this. Vibrators were actually created for crazy women. Have actually talked about this before? Did we? This is this is now? I think we said we were gonna talk this is I'm sorry, have we all heard this before? No?

We have not like so back in the day vibrators when they were first introduced, it was because obviously female orgasm is so fucking foreign to anybody that they found it to be the way of release. And there was a psychologist that did it. Doctors. Um, I mean I think at one point I was reading something about like and this could be just like some bullshit, but it was noticed hysteria, right, So this woman went in there.

There's movies about it. But this woman went in there apparently so many times within the day they had like banned her and like called her like a crazy person and wanted to like lock her up because she wanted to come that much like this is Japparently we've talked about nymphomania, which is why they thought women who wanted

to have sex needed to go into the craziest side. Well, like right, the hysteria that so, hysteria is the cause, they were saying, along with anxiety and you know, irritability and nervous is and they would umbrella that as the term for women that needed to fucking come. Um. But also, by the way, hysteria is um uterus and Greek for real. No, bro, we ain't talked about this because I ain't know that, Like, but she didn't have a break podcast now is like no in real life, Like I feel like that's one

of those little things. Like we've been doing this podcast for three years now, and I know that that would have been something I was just throwing out at the bar when I'm drunk, Like I totally would have remembered something like that. So now, bro, we ain't talked about this ship because I would have remember, I probably didn't drop the Greek thing. But Michelle Hope, I think, is the one who first may have talked about that with us when she brought out all the sex toys and

ship like that. Oh she did bring them up, that's right. Okay, And I got my child. I'm so high I can't even think of my last name, but that somehow when I was like, oh I remember that thing. I don't know how you remember anything got damn. But I'm just I'm like trying to find a way to set good to the next motherfucking Anyways, we're gonna get into the horrible decision this one Wheezy can share as someone with a boyfriend. You guys, congratulations, are are now married or engaged? Okay?

Same ship. So yes, congrats, I'm super excited. So for this week's horrible decision, I wanted to talk about outside now of the virtual orgies, because we discussed it already. I wanted to talk about keeping it spicy during quarantine, being a part of the lifestyle, and how you are able, I asked, wheezy and um, you know without being able to add thirds or fourths or couples, how you're going

with that or if you have a couple. Um? And also, like I said, just for people who are now bitch up under each other all the motherfucking time, how you guys don't get sick of each other? So well? Started first, Um, can you let our listeners know where you guys feel you fall into the lifestyle? So are you swingers? Polly open? What? Why are you laughing? Bro? Was that I can't ask.

I just always laugh at the lifestyle because it sounds like a cult, dude, And every time someone tells me they're in the lifestyle, I'm like, oh my god, these are fucking freaks. Mona. We just tell you. I've eaten cream pies out of bitches, And I still think when someone tells me they're in the lifestyle, and like they

are sick. You're in a lifestyle if you want a picket fence and a husband with a kid and a dog, that's like a real Basically, I wish we could just find another like word except for like I'm going to a lifestyle party. That's so like for us, we don't really like the words swingers. So we tell people that our relationship is emotionally monogamous, sexually open. So emotionally it's just us and sexually you know, so many it's better than saying swingers because swinger has such a like weird

connotation with it. When people hear the word swinger, they're like, they look at you dirty swingers. Also, if we think about it, I mean the actual by definition is couple swapping. And I think that's what a lot of people don't like when they're polyamorous. They're like, oh, you're swingers, Like they hate to be under that term because that's just truth be told. What we all assume. We know, that's the blanket statement for you know, being sexually virtuous as

a couple. So you're emotionally monogamous, sexually open, and so what have you guys done? You shared that you've been to sex clause before, have you guys done couple swaps or and brought in thirds to your bedroom? Like? To what extent are you guys? Um? I'm trying to say another word instead of life. What's O? What's our experience? So we've done soft swap, which is usually usually just oral. Um, We've done a full swap, which is like both partners switch.

We've brought in um girls. We've tried to bring in a single guy a few times, but I just I wasn't vibing with them, so we kind of just stopped it. Now we got to talk about it. You letting so, so are you allowing her to pick the men that you bring into the bedroom? Like how did that conversation happen? So we get so many questions about women trying to figure out how to have a threesome with a woman, But I guess, Adien, I want to know what that

conversation is like for you and Carmen. How you brought up that you wanted to bring a guy into the bedroom or Carmen first already? So all right, So I think to get there we should probably go back to how we even got into lifestyle in the first place, which is all hurtful if you want my fault, like

it's a bad thing. Was not complaining, well you want to tell them, but just basically, one night we're fucking, we had just smoked, were drinking whatever, and she's telling me how she wants to have a threesome we one of her friends, and I'm like, okay, cool. Next day I wake up, I'm like, I'm like, you know, you were so funked up last night, like you said you wanted to suck your friend blah blah, and I'm laughing about it. She's like, oh, yeah, I know. So I'm like, oh, okay,

Like let's figure this out. Um. Fast forward that we started looking stuff up. We found out about the lifestyle, We went to a few parties whatever, and the idea of bringing into that or not necessarily bringing in another man, but just swapping, you know, even that came up and obviously I gotta share her with somebody. The idea of bringing in another girl, that's no problem, is easy. I don't gotta really think much about it, but sharing her with another man is different. So we had our first

swap experience. That was cool. The couple we knew for a while, so we had a lot of comfort build around it. There's a lot of respect there, and I think that's one of the biggest things with bringing in another guy for me at there has to be a lot of respect there, Like you gotta respect me, you gotta respect her, and I gotta be able to respect you because I'm letting you have something that's like, you know, this is my queen at the end of the day.

So for that reason, you know, we tried a couple of times with one person, two people, whatever, but it just didn't work out because of how she felt and at the end of the day, I mean, that's the most important thing. So if it doesn't, if she doesn't feel right, then what's your ideal um scenario for male

male female threesome? Because I know we see fantasies all the time in port and play out where it's like friends and it happens, or it's just two guys in a bar, like being that you do it with your fiance. What would be like the best case for you on vacation because I feel like I'm already relaxed and it would be somebody that somebody tall because I have a hype requirement. I'm five six I feel like I'm so tall for a girl, so I need someone who's at

least like five eleven or taller. Okay, no, less um, And I mean really it could happen, Like we could be at a bar, we could be on a cruise and we could meet someone and we could just hit it off. Maybe like you flirting with a guy and you come and tell your fiance and you bring it back, or you guys are like kicking the ship at the bar and they're like, oh, he's cool. I feel like I would flirt first. I don't think that couples approaching

a guy is actually really a good idea. I feel like it's intimidating, like work girl, Yeah, it's hell intimidation. Don't agree, you know? So I'd rather be the one to flirt and then um introduce them to each other, be like, hey, I'd have already told him, like he would have already known from the bat that I was going to go talk to this guy, because I would just walk up to him and if he was cool and I was cool and he was cool, then we go back and get it popping. Um, have you guys

used dating apps at all to meet thirds? And how has that worked for you guys. So, um, I'm on Tinder and I'm on Bumble, and I just feel like there's a lot of girls on there that say that they're not looking for a threesome. Um. I've never actually looked for a guy because I just don't really feel like the type of guy that I'm looking for is on there. Um, but it definitely sucks like trying to

find girls on those apps. I wouldn't suggest it because most of them put in their bio like not looking to be your unicorn, and I'm like, yeah, I'm not even trying to have you be unicorn, Like they just think we're gonna jump into everything that what was You didn't have that experience though, right weezy, like you were

able to find thirds fairly easy on there. I feel bad, but I am curious to know what do you mean You're not trying to get them to be your unicorn if you're swapping girls how um, So I feel like you're defining, you know, like in a relationship way, because I think some girls kind of take it like we're trying to be Polly or trying to bring them in and just like straight, I think I think unicorn is

a one night thing too. Though, to be honest with you, I don't think unicorn because if it is a unicorn, it's like we know that it's someone that will have sex with a couple. But in a Polly term, I feel like you would it would read I'm we're looking for a girlfriend. No I think unicorn. No, I agree, But some girls I think they think that. I feel like there's categories, Like there's different types of girls for different things. There's the girls are gonna sleep with one

night stand. That's a unicorn, you know, like she's down to funk, she doesn't give a funk. But then there's girls that I'm willing to have a friendship and like we're either just hanging out Vanilitia or we can play and it's cool. But everyone's cool, you know when you're probably around our life a little bit longer. The third category is that I'm considering Polly um, which we've talked about, like having a girlfriend um that we share and I

feel like, then you're that person. You know, I have actual love for you and he has love for you. So it would you would bring it in three categories? Yeah, Um, I want to know um getting back especially into the fact that now maybe a third isn't an option right now. How you guys are not getting sick of each other um during quarantine And how if you guys are having more sex less sex if you find sex being boring? Um, how has it affected the sex life? So I don't

have to go into the office, but he does. But he's home this week, Like he spent this week home and I'm distracted, is what I told somebody, Like he um when he does go into the office. He actually came home one day and surprised me and fucked me and then went back to work like nothing happened. Break. But I feel like it keeps it interesting though, because I'm not expecting to get some dick in the middle of the day if he's not the first like dick

surprise like that too. What day of the week was that? But what was this was having a couple of tones like on a Monday on a Wednesday, you know that, like I'm going to help you get through the middle of the week something to live forward to. Mine was weird because I didn't expect it to have it either, but it was like a Saturday, So I don't know what the funk we were doing we try to read, you know what I mean during the week, like try to just do things in the same space without talking.

And I actually really enjoy that because sometimes you always feel like when you're around someone you have to fill in that dead air and you don't like we can be hours together doing other ship working or something creatively learning a language and do not speak. It's weird. But anyway, So I'm walking about to clean, go ahead, what oh no, no, no that. So I was about to clean and I was like, where's the whatever I was looking for right like the soap or whatever. He's like, you're not about

to do that right now? And I was like why and he's like, because I need to come, and you're gonna make me come. I was like, excuse, you know, I am a little feminist here. I was like, nigga, shut up and he dead asked, fucking grabbed me by my fucking dress, put me on the floor, pulled his dick out and put it in my mouth. Bitch. I came before they were because you know, it's really disper backful, but I felt like it was okay to be disrespected at that time, you know, was the weekend I didn't

have anything to do. I wasn't scheduled for anything, and I was about to clean and I hate dishes anyway, hate them. So why don't you look it? I'm over here, like, oh, let me share about how I disrespected my own pussy fucking lowly over here. Fuck damn, I'm over You're getting moist talking to you, guys. Um, I'm voised over here. Um, old lady moist, shut up, bitch, shut up. I'm about to be thirty. Okay, this ship about to blow powders soon.

Let me let me live, Let me live. Um. So I wanted to ask you, I guess one more question because it seems like you guys have been fairly open with you know, Carmen what you want to bring into the room and Aden, I'm sure you can even kind of voice what you like with her. What do you guys do when you feel like there's nothing else left? Have you guys reached a point where you're like, Okay,

sex is boring, let's try something new. And for the couples who made me feel like, okay, my my sex life right now is really routine, how would you what? I guess I know we talked about the toys. What would you say could be something to make sex less boring for a couple, especially right now. So I think I like the popping into by the way. UM, I think for us like one thing that we enjoy. You were talking about camp soda earlier. We um, we have a running joke on our podcast about how much we

go on chatter Bait. It's the same thing but just different girls. UM, And we actually interviewed a girl. Her name is Nora from chatter Bait. She's probably one of our favorite. She does great shows and like just really cool, you know, the like having that especially now because we can't go to parties and we can't obviously bring somebody into our home. UM, it's nice to be able to change things up in that way. So either cam girls or just regular porn, there's another way to kind of

bring things up into to spice it up. Like we were fucking earlier watching a porno and just like oh yeah, I want to do that. And you know you mentioned cam girls. I feel like a lot of people watch porn. Can you talk about the cam girls do you like? Um, type in the chat and tell them some things. Do you join with your camera or do you just watch or so and tower. If you do a private you could join with your CA. Okay, okay, if you do like their regular stream, it's just a chat that's going

and then maybe they'll do like a special show. So like this one girl does ticket sales and she sells like tickets for tokens. We buy tokens, and honestly, I feel like I'm in a strip club and so much better because I'm not actually like throwing money and watching it go away and then only getting like their ash shaking, like I'm I'm actually getting something from it and I can't.

So it's very rewarding, very already. Don't that you guys do that like that that I don't have you guys spent this month or well, let's just say April because may now, But how much have you spent in April on cam girls? Maybe like I wouldn't. I don't know how much we spent in April only because our favorite girl hasn't been on there, Like we literally now are at the point where if she's not on, we're like hardly getting them. But this year, oh yeah, like we're

actually friends. Yeah we had her on our podcast, said you said so for this year for you guys have probably spent you said two probably maybe you spent thou dollars on it. Oh, probably very easily, have you. Yeah, because we just started like you keep adding it more and then you just keep throwing them. So and that's I mean from any of them in person. No, we met some like like exotical, but not like any that we know. You know, we just met them and that

was it. I swear I didn't this. This is a perfect segu by the way, I did not know I was picking. So the home mail for this episode is exactly has to do with this. And I want both of your opinions on this. Um maybe taking your relationship back before you were as open as you were with when you guys were into um. The title of this whole mail, and I wish I could make this up is watching live cam girls cheating. That's the question. So hey, Mandy and Wheezy, Okay, I have two problems. I went

through my man's phone while he was sleeping. That's definitely problem number one. I know this is wrong, but I have trust issues. He's cheated on me a lot. He's ten years younger than me, but we have been together for four years going on five in August, and we are expecting our first child together. In October. When I went through his phone, I saw in his browser that he watches live cam girls that you can chat with. I feel like I can't discuss this with him, however,

because of how I found out about it, snooping. Is this considered cheating? What if he's chatting with them that is different than porn because it seems more personal. He doesn't open up to me sexually, doesn't tell me his fantasies are fetishes. I just know he cheats on me with white girls, so I assume that's what he likes, except he says I'm into Latinos like me, or he's into Latinos like me. I don't even understand why he cheats. I give him what he wants sexually, sex and head

every day, except when I catch him cheating. That drives me away. And she's pregnant. Oh my god. I think I've caught him cheating so many times that he's learned to cover his tracks. But I don't think he knows that I checked his browser too. Sincerely, pregnant, old and insecure. Who's going to do it? And we want me to do it. Let me do it. No, no, don't read

her yet. Let's get some really nice advice. You're already look at your tongue, so the karmen well, actually, Karmen, I do want to ask you again, going into the earlier phases of your relationship, or maybe even thinking of past relationships, would you consider a guy watching cam girls as cheating? So I wouldn't consider it cheating. We actually weren't open about like a d and watching porn at first in a relationship. Um so the first so we've

been an go eight years. First three years were monogamous. Um, the thought of even being open going to a sex party never would have crossed my mind. Um. I overheard him talking to somebody about like porn and at this point like, I'm young, I'm not even like who's who's watching? Like I want to know because we never had that conversation and I was young, I was insecure, So UM, I pulled him aside. We were at a family cookout and I was like, yo, I heard you talking about um,

like you're watching porn whatever, Like what's up? Because you just told me a couple of weeks ago that you don't watch porn. So he lied to me, like dead to my face. And then he says, all right, I'm gonna be honest, like I do watch it. And I was upset. I'm not even gonna lie, like it's okay to be upset. I was upset because I was insecure at the time. You know, I was a lot younger. What about what specifically about it made you feel insecure? I think the first part of it was him lying.

It was him lying because if he was honest when I when we first talked about it, sure it might hurt a little bit because I wasn't feeling the most confident in myself. But I can accept it, and I think it probably probably we would have avoided an argument if he was honest, But because he lied, we had an argument um afterwards, like a couple of weeks after because I needed some space to kind of like process that I ended up talking to him. I actually, um

wanted to kind of take control of the situation. So I found porn and like pulled it up on his computer and we watched it together, and like that was our first experience, UM watching porn together. Two girls real. I guess my, my, My next question to you before um wheezy you know her for filth. I'm waiting for it.

But but before we get there, Carmen, I want to know because she mentioned him watching white girls and of course her being a Latina, I want to ask you if if when you were insecure, if the type of women that Aden was watching. And I know a lot of people think this, like if I'm a black, voluptuous woman and my man watching white skinny women, does is

that what he wants? So would that insecurity be there or would you have a problem in present day if Adian watched porn with women that didn't look like you. So it's been a problem I'm in the past. But it went from being like the Instagram model the like really big titty's big ass, like super curvy too. Then he was like, okay, well if that's a problem, he went to like super skinny girls like really Flaka, And I'm like, like, where do I fit into into this?

Because when you go from skinny to like um these current girls? And then he was looking at BBWs, I was like, yo, do you like my body? Like such a normal thing to be to try to figure out, like, am I enough? You know? I think that's a normal feeling. UM. Insecurities okay to feel, but it's how you overcome that. UM. Part of it was having a conversation. I'm not gonna I and tell you like, oh, conversation is going to be the thing that's going to make you feel better

about yourself. You actually need to put in some work. UM. I'm still putting in work, Like I go to therapy UM and talk about any insecurities that I have or things that have happened in the past UM or I mean, just like taking care of myself physically to helps, like

I feel good. And I understand that when you're when you get into a relationship, I think it's so easy to to think that whatever your partner found attractive automatically just goes away because they're with you, And it doesn't work that way, Like you still have attraction for other people, Like I curious if she s these guys that she finds attractive or girls she finds attractive, UM, and she doesn't talk about it with him, so they're secretly going

on from both sides. UM. And I actually had to check myself for that because I was upset with him for lying, but lying about like porn and stuff but I was all so lying, like I was watching porn, but I wouldn't tell him that. And I was interested in girls, and I was interested in different types of guys, and I wouldn't tell him that. When you cross that barrier, I think that that's probably the biggest barrier um at first. When you can cross that and have those conversations, then

I like that you. I like that you brought up to even the insecurity of we we we feel insecure or get jealous because maybe our partners are our lovers, whoever we're dealing with checks out another girl or is watching porn in this case. But what's crazy is we do it subconsciously too. We double tap pictures on Instagram. And I know a lot of women get into hating when their man likes pictures on Instagram of these Instagram models.

But we go on and like pictures. I'm gonna just say, Jadinna because bits everybody be liking anything, But we go on and we like pictures. We comment if we someone to see it's someone attractive in the street. Like you said, we can't help if we're attracted to some else, even when we're in a relationship with somebody. I think that there definitely is just a level of respect. And I'm not gonna lie. It's fun for me to be with anyone i'm fucking or hanging with and we check people

out together. It's fun. So I think that that's definitely um something to do. I guess wheezy um snooping is bad. We know she's pregnant, so be nice, y'all. She's drinking water blood. First of all, congratulations on your baby. That's super exciting and I wish your energy could be focused in that, but unfortunately it isn't. And the reason I have a big issue with this question, it's not just you, it's people that ask us about what cheating is and

don't define any rules between each other. That is, oh wait, wait, wait, y'all, can we get I like that? Tell me you cannot tell ma, Andy, we cannot tell you. There's nothing between you and your man is what cheating is. That is something that's defined so early on. To be quite honest with you, I'm not saying that you even need to know it right in the beginning, because maybe you don't know.

You're kind of just learning. What I would tell you is this for a man that you claimed has cheated on you so much that you've stayed with You have now what it's called a price of admission, and that price of admission is him watching cam girls while you're pregnant, and you, honest to God, need to get over it. Here's why if cheating by definition to you when you wrote us, meant he was sucking other people, and you know he's this person, Really, what more do you expect

from him? Right, I'm gonna give you an example. Right, I know my nigga was a whole I know this, and I'm super comfortable with it. We go out together and I see girls look at him and he smiles back. If I'm walking back from the bathroom and he's smiling and he's talking to them and my shocked, do I get super uncomfortable and instcure, No, because that's just, honest to God, this is who he is. I come to the body's like, oh this is my baby, baby me chanelle. Cute.

That's just how my nigga is. Okay. Now, if I was dating a man there was a super introvert and that didn't like to go out and talk to people. And I walked back from the bathroom and I saw him talking to a woman. Maybe then I would freak the funk out. And I say all that to say, you know he has a large sexual appetite and poorn somehow is bothering you. You are never going to get the person you want. If you think that this is that big of a deal that you had it right

into us, he will. It's almost like you have to find something at this point. You know he cheated on you so many times, so nothing is gonna satisfy you because everything will fucking bother you. If he's the perfect man. Now he knows how to hide his phone from you. If he's not sucking other bitches. Now it's the cam girls. If he's not watching cam girls. Oh when he goes to the gym, why is he wearing clothes like that?

It's always going to be something. And if you want to just have a healthy life and a healthy pregnancy and not stress yourself out, you gotta let this ship go. To be honest with you, I find it not just a phone thing. Just I obviously we know the phone thing is bad, but I've been there, like if you can't stop it, you can't stop it is what it is, right, But the browser in pretty you getting into the snooping part. I want to talk about the browser. That is something

that is private and honestly, are sexual desires. I don't think need to be everyone else's business, even too, even if if I had a husband, I don't really think it's my business. If you choose to share that with me, cool, But sometimes people have desires or things they're into and they find it more fun. Maybe right now, cam girls, it's an amateur thing. It's very exciting to do. It feels more real. Trust me, they don't give a funk about your nigga. They don't. They literally don't, and he

doesn't care either. He just wants to come. So I think that, like, you may have to take all of your projections and maybe how you view sex and kick that out of the window because he's seeing it differently. You know, maybe you're not horny enough to get on a fucking cam site and masturbate and be done with it. But that's just the sexual appetite that he has. So either you accept it or you don't. But you can't just sit here and be like, is he cheating on me?

Because you're used to him cheating on you and just fabricating this ship in your head because you're only gonna drive your own self crazy and or push somebody away. Don't you dare tell that nigga you looked through his phone. And if you ever do need to tell him you look through his phone, it better be because you found out he was cheating. Do not tell that man that you went through his phone and you found out he looking at cam girls. God forbid, I don't care if

he spent this. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. At this point, he probably gonna laugh in your face. Consist you stayed after the cheating. So I say it all the time. A man will only do to you what you allow. So the fact that you stayed, the fact that he's been cheating on you, the fact that, um, you know you're about to have his kid and you're still putting up with the fact that he's a cheater

and you can't trust him. You may need to now change how you view your relationship because maybe now he's not cheating on you, because bitch, clearly he's he's telling you.

You said he's getting better at covering his tracks, but you know what's happening, and if you choose to stay, the idea of monogamy may not necessarily be what you what you what you really want, because you didn't leave him for cheating the first time, which is why he you still think, and he probably feels comfortable cheating still. They will only do what you allow since and you still there. So I don't think that. Lets see, this is the hard part because like at this point, it's

too far gone. We can't even like what she's gonna do break up with him? No, I think no, it's a pandemic, and I think all you could do is move forward. Man, And if like the price of admission to your nigga is that he likes cam girls and just let him, like can girls don't like bro? I honest to god, I thought I was gonna get broken up with for going to the club all the time by somebody was eating with He was like, you just love going out and I wouldn't even get super lit.

He's like, you just have to go out and you have to put on makeup and you have to talk to people. I'm like, that's my ship. I don't know what it is, but for some reason, I love being social. That makes me feel good about myself. You know what I'm saying, I don't I don't know what it is. I get my energy from other people. So like if he fabricated that into thinking, the more and more you go out and the more you look at people, you're gonna want to sunk one of them. That's what you're

gonna sound like to this nigga. Oh my god, what you look at cams? What are you gonna do next? You gonna try to meet in my line? Do not. I'm telling you you're gonna sound irrational, and men always try to do that ship to us. No offense at all I'm saying is men be acting like we're fucking nuts, you know what I'm saying, when really we'll be thinking about what we'll be saying. But these niggas just be like, no, this bitch is pregnant and crazy, So sit your pregnant,

crazy ass down. Big, I'm just playing. I'm not. I'm not trying to call you crazy, but seriously, put that energy into some other ship. Man, be happy, grateful for this quarantine in time, especially if you've got a whole ass, nigga, because now you can reconnect with him, reconnect with the wholeness. You know, all these niggas as hosed. So y'all, we just need to up they hold ass ways and just decide we love them as individuals. Because this is why

sexuality is not a choice. Because I promise you y'all, niggas get on my nerves so motherfucking much. I wouldn't suck you, but I can't help it. I want the dick, have the dick. But I'm absentent right now, y'all, so I'm not. But no, that's how you know. We can't choose who we sexually to try to do. Okay, So just no, We're born this way. Goddamn it. I was born wanting some goddamn did and it ain't changing anyways, this motherfucker out. Um, before we leave here, Adien and Carmen,

you guys are so freaking amazing. I feel like i've Yeah, I mean, I've met you guys in person. I also have listened to your pod by the way, guys, dope quality. The audio is great. You guys have dope guests. You guys said you just had kinks with Kiki. Guys, she came on our podcast as well. Um, and also just for you guys to be a couple in the lifestyle, I feel like we need to add like a whole

you like fucking drop to that. But because you guys are just so open, you guys have been together for so long, I think that a lot of our listeners eight years and now engaged. So I think that a lot of our um audience can relate to you guys. And even if they can't relate in the sense of being in a relationship, I'm sure they can learn a lot about how to introduce just new things to their selves. The bedrooms, their lovers, casual, dick non casual? Look which

one are you? Which one fine? In the years I'm gonna see her? You think that I got more fine looking at the picture. I was looking at the pictures. I ain't gonna lie you was Adien, You look kind of like a little boy a long time. He has a beard that the hair is a cheat code. I'm done with these niggas with beards, Yo, they look like whole different niggas without the hair on their face. I'm over. But the beard is a good looking. Talked about trimming his beard the other day. I all he said was

trim and I heard remove. I said no. He was like, yo, but it's coming over my lips and my teeth. I was like, leave it. I ain't even go ahold you ship changing during this quarantine. The niggas that I'm liking right now, y'all, they got salt and pepper. Talk about how old they are. But the niggas got salt and pepper, and that beard look like that is doing something and little see it a little. I ain't gonna lie that

little see I have it. I have a tingly sensation for a salt and pepper right now, and I'm just like, oh, oh, tell me about the world literally end for this bitch to want to go over. Ain't that crazy? Crazy too? Whats the is going on? Mandy, bitch cut her hair, got a cat at even a bitch been talking. I've been looking up indoor plants. I'm gonna be old like your who as plants. Yeah, bitch, that's that's the next phase is getting. I'm gonna be a plant mama plarent

And all it does is that energy and oxygen. That is some That is some unt ship. Okay. The fact that I'm on the phone with my home girls and we're talking about indoor plants and knife sets, I am officially fucking old Okay, it used to be about sucking dick. Now we're talking about ordering that you'll be badly over you. You'll snap right back into it and they stay like. As a woman get older, they're more um, they're sexual libidos higher. So, bro, you have you met Mandy's mom.

I didn't even go your mama at the first party I'm at the first live show was like, go to trapeze. The fact that my mom embarrassed me in Orlando, by the way, and I had to be like, if you don't. She was ready to book a session with King Nawar and Jasmine. She's like, oh, Tampa, that's close. I'll be seeing you soon. And with bets over getting flogged during our fucking meet and greet, I said, I told my cousin, I said, go get my mama and just wait for

the motherfucking meet and green. You know what my mom was doing, crying in the corner with if we are not our mother and children. This girl she comes over says my real name in front of everybody, come here, and my mom, mind you, the girl don't have a meeting things. So I'm trying to be respectful to people who paid for the fucking me and greet. She has been listening to you for five years. We've had the show for three. She's known you on the Instagram for five. Okay,

take a picture with her please. One of my favorite distinctions of how our mothers are really us um pe Muna asked when a man comes, and this was at our first live show. You guys were there. They said, this is to the mama's he said, And he said, where where do you want him to come? And here goes my mom's in her host self. Oh and she has pearls on. I guess I'll take it in my mouth. Mandy's mom. I got three orifices and I'm gonna use all of you. Remember that when I tell you, I

mean like mom, why, same thing i'd be acting. I am even earths. At the Orlando Live show, they get up and do the fucking porn. My mom wins, but her first category was BBC. I said, no, Mom, you can't know no, Mom, you're the white mom. Shut the funk up, standing, don't say you can't say BBC EP And you keep on that, shut away, why my mom?

And then here goes we these mom. He goes, Mom, she's supposed to pick categories and We's mom is just saying in my mouth, in my my hits, we're like ms Jeule is supposed to be category and she's like on my arm. My mom's together. Many's mom was like Asian. My mom was like in my face, what's going on? You? I know, have y'all thought about bringing your your mom on the we say all the time, but like they know they listen to your podcast. I think they know.

Like so for example, when um, we interviewed Sammy from the Circle earlier this year and we have to drive to Philadelphia, y'all try to fund I mean, no, we did not know. We did not no, no, she got a man. So, um, we're respectful. We're respectful. We're respectful. We try to be. We have had people with Mendo try to come up and then we're like we find out afterwards and that's drama we don't want to be a part of. But that's right. But yes, So I

told my mom we're going to Philadelphia. She's like, oh, well, before I said oh to do a podcast interview, she just changed the subject Like we're texting, she just completely ignored it, just changed the subject. I'm like, all right, cool, whatever, that's more than my mom asked where she went wrong? Because my sister is by, I'm by. My mom was like, where did I all wrong? And my dad thinks that our podcast is about fitness. He wants a link to listen.

He doesn't know how to really like use a phone. Um, and I'm not trying to explain how to find a podcast to him because now he'll start listening to absolutely not Yeah, I do that. When I meet a guy, I'll be like, Nope, don't listen to the podcast. Ask me what the funk you want to know? I'm gonna tell you, but don't go and listen. Don't go and listen. They're well, then maybe he's not meant for me. I'm like, I'm just like just playing. I don't be here about

the boot hole herede. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw tomatoes in there. I'm gonna you enjoyed this episode. Check wait wait, wait about the description they're gonna leave it. Oh I was gonna say make sure. I was gonna say, make sure you guys drop once again your handles your podcast where they can listen to you before we do our little patron drop. How can the people listen to you. So we're everywhere that you can find. Podcasts. We drop every Tuesday, So check out Horrible Decisions on Monday and

then listen to us on Tuesday. Um, and you can find us, so the name of the podcast, and then we're on Instagram, Twitter, and I think that's it. Instagram and Twitter is like the most used. We have a Facebook pitt where we don't use it. Yeah, okay, we're going to drop their links so that you guys can communicate with them in those in the I mean if you want to suck them there. Cute. I'm sure this YouTube is out. Um. Oh, another podcast that drops on Tuesday.

For fact Stake podcast. This week, Eddie and I are going to dive into weird ways that people die, don't ask. Last week we did scienceology. Do you all know what the fuck? Nigga? No, that starts with it starts with science, so no, not even science. It's like it's about like aliens in your body and when you die, they leave your body, nigga Will Smith in the ship bits, Maybe

that what I Maybe? I like Scientology Now I never Google because for any episode of anything I've ever done in my fucking life, I got in such a rabbit hole. I couldn't even I was talking about horrible decisions and Scientology. I was this ship was crazy, bro, they legit you have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to like get deeper into the religion, right and the deep Oh no, sounds like a scam. It sounds like Tom Cruise is at the top of the chain. Right. But every single

person does scientology. Okay, they got they believed that an alien landed in their body and that when they die, the alien goes back to Venus and then he redonect rex itself to another body. So scientology was that thing all the celebrities in the Luminati. That's what scientology is. The Luminati crazy Scientology is. Do y' all know who Charles Manson is, Yeah, bitch. He opened in Scientology and said it was too crazy. Oh hell, that's how you child, psycho.

That might be some ship I'm not interested in. Actually, I'm not interested in none of this ship. You know, anything, you might die. He's like, they will come get us. I was like, I am just interested in Dickson, vaginas um and taxes. At one point that was a part of my life. Anyways. Uh again, before we get out of here. I want to shout out to all of our patrons and you hose that watch us on YouTube because y'all kept asking, Hey, are y'all posting on YouTube still?

Because we went shy for like a fucking month. So now you guys get to see us in our fucking rooms and kitchen. Yeah. I don't know why this is so exciting, you guys want to And Benson, who's in here, was like, oh, turning room, we can't have you faced the window. Nick, it's blackout tide. You girl always saw is windows and it made your partner, which it made you look like a scientology. Okay, but no shout out

to our patrons again, guys. If y'all are all caught up with our episodes and want more, there are almost seventy bonus episodes over on Patreon. You can start all the way from the beginning. Some of them are a whole bunch of fucking raggedy mess, but you get to hear our growth over the goddamn years. Um, it's super dope. Weezy and I are doing like once a month now where we allow our patrons to join us for a

live podcast kind of thing. So we allow them to ask us questions, join in on vanilla ship, join in on sharing their stories, and we also get very very drunk while doing it. So, um, Weezy, do you have any more jobs for them? Oh? By the way, guys, Weezy and I are working because clearly we can't go on tour and we keep posting all of our dope Patreon stuff. So Weezy and I are working on designs. If you're a graphic designer and want to help us, we are looking to get March out to you guys.

So we're working on the site and getting you guys to be able to purchase horrible Decisions March three years later. We're late as fun, but we're getting there. Okay, we're fucking um. Regards to Patreon, I mean it's five bucks a months. You know, there's sixty plus bonus episodes with a bunch of ship. We tell most of our personal ship on there. Not like we don't open our assholes and our hearts up anyway on here. But the Zoom

is super fun. I got so drunk last night on our Zoom that I could barely take my bike home. This nig ahead to get behind me on his bike because you know, we're only ten minutes away from each other. Now. He was like, yo, just get a uber. I was like, I'm first of all, I'm an independent woman. Crazy bitch was bad, So let's just get drunk together again next month. Yes, so guys join us. That is patreon dot com backslash Horrible Decisions. Um again, you do have to type that

all in. That's Patreon dot com back slash horrible decisions. We are going to leave you with a five minute bonus clip and once again, Adien Carmen, all you motherfucker puss the assholes in quarantine, thank you all for joining us for yet another episode of horrible decision Bye say bye. All right, mack, let us talk about Yeah. I mean,

I don't. I don't really even like to call myself queers sometimes because I don't feel like I have suffered any real like stigma from that or like the negative effects of that, because I'm generally passing in any way,

and I am, for the most part like straight. But but I do feel like, I, you know, I believe in that, Like I don't really believe in uh, you know, gender as as a thing that you should aspire to, Like I don't think that man should aspire to be manly, and I guess that kind of moves us into our some of our vanilla ship. I think we're going to talk about that was that was notes by the way, I just learned how to see right the other day.

I thought he was spelled like the scooter. That's what doesn't even actually having no ship, So I funked it up. But it was just back to the main topic we were going to talk about was the patriarchy and the perils of toxic masculinity. Had three bets all what it would be in toxicculsic. Toxic masculine was one of them because we were supposed to have that episode with James exactly.

That's what we what we wanted to talk about. When I was maybe made a good point like I wanted to bring you back to talk about that, and she was like, well, I want someone that's like overly toxic, and I want us to then break it down and talk about it together. But I do feel like we're not a couple of people on your show from well, we don't really have much beyond that because we're doing your homeworkers hard. But I mean, I think we can we can talk on that. No, let's do it for

a while. But um, I mean, you know, kind of just talking about I think what what you were saying about me being queer or whatever. Just I I do believe that like gender is bullshit in a way, and and I've kind of felt like that innately, just like for a long time, but just learning more and we can specify it a little bit more like not we're not talking specifically about like sex at birth or even like just think I like to call it gender performance or the way that you move through through the world

and like present yourself to people. For example, we're both we're all wearing a beautiful dark nail color today. I really enjoy doing these like acts of queerness to or other nests or strangeness to either like bring uh femininity to masculinity or masculinity to like femininity in presentation or performance. Can I say you, Actually, the more I get to know, the longer I've known you, like you started wearing eyeliner

and mascara. I think only I can only remember you doing this about maybe a year and a half two years ago. But when I first met you, I didn't remember this, and I wanted to ask you. And I don't know if it's too personal, but I mean, whatever, do you think you've been more comfortable with your sexuality and being gay as time goes on? Absolutely? Yes, since I've known you. I mean yes, absolutely before I met you.

Just before I met you, I went through the dramatic experience of both coming out to myself like around my mid teens and then coming out to a growing circle of my family and friends. And that was a lot. And then like a couple of years after that, I met you, and that's when I first started feeling comfortable like going out to bars, like to be myself and to meet people, or to be on the apps or to even like just introduce myself as a gay person.

Um so, and even since then, since I've met you, and since uh you moved from Orlando to to New York, I I feel like the closer I get to thirty, which my birthday is coming up in two months, the closer I gets to thirty, I've like realized that I don't give a ship about what other people um think

about me any more. Or it's not like a sudden drop off has just been a study decline of realizing that finding the things that make me happy and the things that make me feel filled, and the things that made me feel like a productive member of my community. Um Like, finding those things are and doing those things are way more important than making my community or parents

or family happy with me. Do you think that has to do with your surround Like, well, for example, I remember, we don't have to get into your coming out story. Actually I wanted to talk about it, but I don't know if you know, maybe to be to lengthy. And I want to get to James too. But you told me that when you told your mom, she started praying, Um. Yes.

During the during the my coming out experience with my parents, they were visiting me in my apartment that I you know, was a young professional like just graduated a year before got hired. They came to visit me after I just moved to Orlando, and I was like, this is the time that I need to come out. Like it's not around a birthday or major holiday or anything. This is seriously to them, just in my space, like I have

to do this now. And I told a good friend of mine, like, if I don't do it this weekend, you have to hold it to me, Like I have to actually hold me to it. I have to actually do it. And finally, the last night that they were there, I UM worked up the nerve to ask them to put their iPads down to what I had to say, and uh, Almost immediately, my dad, who was a pastor, UM started to pray the demon of homosexuality out of me