Ep154: All About Leather Feat. Liquid

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the comments. We are coming soon. Really looking forward to seeing you. Guys. Get your tickets at Horrible Decisions dot com to enjoy this amazing fucking show that you listen to every week and see us live. Yeah, what up, y'all? Have you dealing? Baby? I don't know what fucking what I'm doing? Hi, guys, it's Horrible Decisions, God damn it. First of all, now you know that it is my god damn job. All right, this is your girl, Mandy

v a k A debt bitch, which mind you. I had to say that bitch because the nigga said, I know she that bitch the way she's say debt bitch. So that's what if I am pet the stallion full core pumps all my motherfucker a k's I'm gonna ask something twenty um Angela. You might have heard me on nine Today fiance with my fiance Michael from Nigeria, and you know what, God damn it, they denied his visa and I'm a playing citizen and if I want to get married in this country, ship, I want to do it.

I've got the funds. Yeah, that's wheezy. You know here, I'm a me mall to eight kids, and I just feel like I can't understand fathom why they won't let it happen. Can I ask you? That's actually what happened? So we we all? You know. Even so, growing up black, having black friends, none of my black friends have referred to their grandma's as mom. Why do white people say that? And then some girls in the comments talking about because it's easy for children to say that's a white that's

white people ship though right, it definitely is. It definitely is. Y'all here a third motherfucking boy us on here and guess what I'm gonna works on. I'm gonna work on properly introducing our motherfucking guests. So check this out. We got liquid in the motherfucking building. Who is a fixture in the b DSM leather community for more than twenty years. By the way, unless you started it five years old, I can't believe you've been doing this ship for twenty years. Things.

She has competed and one Miss Henrietta Hudson Fetish two thousand eight and two thousand nine, and she went on to be the only woman of color um to compete in the first Mr Slash Miss New York City Leather contest. So if you can't tell, we're finally going to get into the community of leather and literally everything leather ship that I didn't even know I was doing mad research, no theme, which is honestly, when I looked up the history which we're gonna dig into, that's what it was.

So if you can, you know, welcome yourself to horrible decisions. Thank you for coming in. And is there anything else that I missed because I know you have a long by You've done a lot of things. So what else are you known for in the leather community. I am currently the Northeast leather person the first. Um. Yeah, I just won last I just one last month. Um, I am also on the board of Falsome Street East. I am now the former vice president of the Onyx Pros

New York eighths U there for three years. I'm still a four number. Yeah. It is a leather organization for women of color in kink and we are moving to educate in power and help other women of color and on buying every folks explore b DSM and leather. I love that is on the board of it right, Like, I feel like I need to get in the need to get on some boards, need to how can we

get on boards? I love that thing. Maybe you'll be uh, it's turns with the c It's not the Congress, community, it's not the community council council, but it's got to be counseled communtee. You're just like, yeah, damn, this isn't follow me so much. Okay. So when there's a small business and you guys join this thing together and you go to meetings and like you could sell to each other. Born not definitely not LC shows. I'm don't think of listening, Like, damn,

you're gonna look, what is it not committee Congress. I'm gonna figure it out. I don't know listen, hunts Okay. Anyway, I was like, Hunts, I don't know. Um okay, So how would one before we get into the icebreaker and breaking his ice how would one get on a board or part of these organizations if they are in the key community. So for Onyx Pearls, whatever chapter region you decide to join, so we are all over. My chapter is New York Northeast. Um, there is Southeast, there is

deep South, there is Southwest. With the deep South, it's like Alabama, Kentucky, that's down there, that's down there. Okay, that's not so what you do with fame of Converse? Girl in there, girls, we do have we do have a national council. Okay, um, but what we um. What you want to do is just go onto any of the websites and fill out an application. Submit it. You can join as an associate member or you can join as a full member. Full member is you have, of course,

voting privileges and things like that. The only difference is besides the voting privileges is the patch. You get a full backpatch for your leather vest, and if you're an associate member you just get a smaller patch, but you still have the same perks Minus love you guys watching us on YouTube Liquid right now has a leather sash? Is this from you winning? Like? What is this? The leather sash from this is dope girl? You want like the home Miss America where you can It's a leather

Miss America. Oh that's nice and I look expensive like real leather. This is plus This is plus Vaught. These from New York and Company on This is the Gabrielle Union collection. But I know that this is not real. Um, but this looks really nice. The studs are are also very nice on it. And so what did you have to do to when this when this sash? Or when miss Leather? So this one actually is not a Miss Leather.

There was actually four titles. This is Northeast Leather Person, which is a non binary so because identify as gender fluid. My pronouncer she they them and that bitch. Um. But yeah, so you had this title for leather Person, you had Mr Leather, Northeast Leather, your Miss Northeast Leather, and you had Northeast Leather Boot Black, which I am proud to say that everyone who won the titles this year, for the first year, we're all black yes, we is in this space already like a black no we but these

are different. So throughout the country at internationally you have a bunch of different leather contests, I understand. So it's mixed. Not all the time. People of color are gonna win. That's really fire. People of color are gonna run. This is every sport there is. Whether if the leather everything. Who said ice cream niggas they heat up there? Ice cream be on their motherfucker too. I think it was catwoys, which is a fact. Well god damn, I mean really

it's true. Look at all sports. Dogs don't let niggas compete about nothing. Look they brogan king noir, what white motherfucking dog is doing this ship? No? No, Well we don't know because I don't be looking for white people. So they just that is what. Maybe they just don't pop up on our feet. It's about to say, and I ain't gonna lie. I don't know what your Instagram algorithm is. But all the little um financed niggas with tattoos beyond my ship. I came across this nig and

they all be living in London. I'll be like, God damn, So I'm talking to this one he finds hell. He's like, well, do you ever come to the UK? I did look up in London. Was in the UK, but it is And I was like, well, I've been to London in the UK and then they just call it's something else, Mandy, listen shut But then it's right there, you know, the Kingdom. But then I know there's another part of Europe. It's not all the United like, it's just different. So I'm like, yeah,

I've been in London. But anyway, he's Arab, bitch, he's an Arab. And I was like, bitch, I will give up baking for you, and that is I just would a buslom right. They don't like baking you Really, the UK was the country, dude, There also the EU and there's other ship. Listen. It was just shut the funk out anyway. Anyway, that is where that is Marcus, bitch. Are you serious? Yes, you didn't even know the geography

of Ohio, bitch. We have to the Cleveland Show because they know the geography, and that is you got damn United States of goddamn America. Anyways, this nigga, well he's who ended up on my feed. That is beautiful is where I got my first icebreaker question for you. So I wanted to ask you, what is the food you cannot live without? The food I cannot live without. It's not really a food but ice cream. Okay, So here's

the thing. My question to you is you start dating a guy who is perfect until you find out that he is extremely allergic to ice cream? Do you break up with him? Or do you give up ice cream cream? Right? Look, what is like your favorite food? It's she can't live without ice cream? That is her favorite food. I can train someone to be perfect, I can't train someone's allergy. We can't even kiss after I eat ice cream. I can't. Okay,

I ask she is, and I'm not gonna lie. I wouldn't take nobody but tell you right now, I'll be stressed going out with her. If ever fos over me, I know it's because another bitch was making breakfast, Like I really feel like that sea because there's only so much avocado toast. I could, dude, but I ain't even gonna hold you. We was in Chicago and I went to this place called Yoke. I love eggs. I'd be like you, I'm gonna go to breakfast. Sorry, you probably

can't eat here, mind, y'all. I shared a story when we were younger. I took her to a soul food restaurant. Forgot that cheese, mom and M's forgot big mac and cheese has egg. She was like, let me try to make a cheese bitch. I thought she was about to die she started. I was like, oh, sh it's big mac and cheese. Bitch. My bad. And so I don't think I could date someone with bro I don't think I could. So let me ask you, what is the

food you cannot live without? And would you be willing to give it up if you found the perfect man? You're seeing the perfect man over food? Yes, the food I came about cheese? You can't? Right? Is you giving up cheese to be with a nigga? You said, the perfect nigga, but he's not affect. If he's allergic to the thing that you love the most, everything else is everything else is good? You would give up cheese? I probably gonnadict to like sour cream or something else with that,

like fattiness na ice cream. You could. You could go onto other sweets. But but but Dick is like not a hard limit for me. I'm not gonna she's like a perfect person like perfect until you find out that like say that ship like, sorry, you gotta go. I'm just saying you're saying like the perfect Like so in my head, I'm really like Kofe and he's got like a great personality. I'm gonna give it up. You give it up cheese for Kofee. Jameson just talking about a

nigga you run into on the subway. Calm down, you were talking about that perfect Okay, talking about perfection? All right, Maybe Deity face and said I had to go on that Coachella diet or she wouldn't be my friend. I'd be like, okay, done, I'll eat there. You're annoying. So the next question, Um, I actually want to ask this question because I want to see how how intimate I guess you are. Would you rather only be able to have sex in missionary position or only have sex from

the back? Oh, definitely from the back, But I knew you all intimate like in the kids and shape, so you would never be cause you can't kiss from the back like yo, like you, I don't know you would do missionary over having from the back? Huh? Love missionary? Because I could like, see, I know it has to because I want it from the back, I don't want to say it. I'm looking up at the celn. I'm like, what I gotta do right, and then I'd be sweating the sweat drops into my face and intimacy. I know

it from the back. I do come the hardest from Mr Missionary, from the fastest from Doggie, but like hard strong orgasmy is generally missionary. Okay, so I can see you want to missionary. The last icebreaker that I have is um. I guess the worst of the two evils. Um, would you rather have car secks or shower sex? Oh, shower sucks. I don't like showers. I remember the last time I fell out of the shower. No, that was dangerous.

You fell out of the shower. It was a really small ash shower slipped Yeah, no into like deaf spin and like slow moons. I think it could be dangerous. Miss nasty be fall off a dildo on the shower. So I don't know, but she I'll say, like, the shower is dangerous, but also my hair, um, And depending on you know this, we've I have. I don't want to have to go sit under the dryer at the Dominicans for ever the next day, because when you have someone's you don't want to get it wet because then

it can start to stink. And I do someones or wigs, which also you can't get wet. So I don't really like shower sex. Also I'll be thinking on what and then it's also the shower making me wet. So yeah, I think car sex not as wet in the shower, I'm not. But also sex in the car too, but my niggas be big, so it just don't be great. Well see not see, I am one of those that are not in the car. I've had some of my sex the car. Okay, I call that road side assistance.

So I've never had sex on a car. Really, ill have term like in the rain and the fact that I'm not in jail to this version. Else did we have on here boy because he said he was giving head in the car. No, it was on the hood of the car on the Jersey term pipe, but it was the car, not hot. It was in the summer, was on top of the car, pulled over on the shoulder. Road Side assistance coming from Atlantic City. Shower sex if it's a woman so shower sex if it's a woman.

Car sex was what a woman really strapped and damn you have sex I ever had with scissors was in a bathtub, like but it was empty. I don't want to tell you because you're gonna judge me. You judged all the time. So I was on my pod. She was on her period. Okay, why you're disgusting, bro, just going in the shower does not make your period. You didn't want to because thank you, go ahead, I'm judging, but go ahead. She didn't want to have sex because

she was on a period. I was like, y'all, like, come on, like what are we going to the bathtup? She's like fine, So we go on the bathtub and obviously we loved a scissor, so we basically like let the shower around when we were on the bat in the bathtub, but that she was started turning pink around, y'all, I wouldn't know, really grows just like the color of feminism. Didn't see the blood, but you convintion what did she the bloo? Because you were probably looking at her face.

You didn't look down to see if y'all were scissor, are gonna pull the blood. This this is really disgusting. Actually believe us when you have it. That's heard that contractions just not with dicks going and I don't know dick's going in the out's gonna make you bleed hotly bled on my nigga's comforter, who I've already expressed to y'all was O C. D. Let me tell you something. It was already over. But he sucked the ship out of me. And it was a day later and I

was like smooth sailing, like clean, like you could eat it. Bro. I wake up. I'm in the shower and he's like, are you in your period? Were like, no, I'm not. You know I'm not. He's like, okay, because uh I just got the I got on the comforter. I was like, oh well it must have been another bitch like I just put it on his brain new the last night he did and I saw it and I was like, was it a lot? No? But like I feel like he got the last ship out from the period. You

know what it wasn't. That was so fucking embarrassing. I felt like he didn't even want to tell me because he was like already wrapping it up and putting in the washing machine because he knew I was gonna free because he's already so O c D. But like it's

just easy. How niggas could really get that ship back out of you, That's what I'm saying, Like I won't even like if I'm on my last day, Like there was a niggas who was in town recently and I was on my last day, so we could have like it was it was gone, Like I wasn't wiping it no more. But I knew if he put his dick in me, he would either pull more out or he

would knock get back on. And I don't know if y'all know, this ship, my peerent is only three days long, but if I fucked at the end, you're gonna make my peerd go another to three days. It just happens. I've tried it before and I was over my peerent on three days thinking the ship went to five after and I was like, never aget, Like like the blood that's there, it's already like it's old blood, right, so like this just can't well, he popped the bubble and

more came out. I was just the ship was nasty. Walnut. No, the walnut is when I squirt, bitch, that's different. Or maybe it's the bubble of the blood came out. Shut up. Anyway, we're gonna get it to our vanilla ship. For those of you who UM, this is your first time listening to us, maybe you found us through liquid Um. We do a segment where we talk about X in the news and this one was actually shipped by liquid Um. This one comes from NBC news dot Com. A Michigan

man has been charged in Grinder slaying. So Grinder, for those of you who may not know, is a dating app for gay men. I don't want to say the name just because I don't want to put these people out there because they have family and loved ones. But a man by the name Mark, which most white people are named Mark Um was charged in the killing of a gay hairstylist, Kevin Um, who was last seeing Christmas Eve before going to meet a man he met on the app. Um it says, Mark, who is fifty, was

arraigned on charges of murder and mutilation. Michigan State Police officer Dave Kaiser declined to release any additional information UM, but basically, Kevin, who was a student, told his roommate on Christmas Eve that he was leaving to meet a man he found on Grinder, which is a popular gay dating app. Later the night, the roommates said that he received a text from Kevin saying he was having fun

it might not make it home that night. When Kevin did not appear at his parents house on Christmas Day, he was reported missing. Um It says that Kevin's car was found his belongings in a parking lot in Clayton Township, close to where he lived, and his mutilated body was found later December UM in a city four miles away. Um, you said you heard that the guy was eating him in the In another article, Uh huh. It described that he had him hanging off the ceiling fan and ate

some of him, so they called him the Hannibal. We did the craziest sex crimes. So is that a regular Patreon? It might have been a patreon. UM. I really loved that one. So we talked about like sex crimes, the weirdest ones around the world, and one of them was a dude that like cooked the woman that he killed. It should yeah, like um and it's crazy because um and Hannibal, is I like her beauty inside of Harrison.

So um, Hannibal was a serial killer who did actually keep certain parts of the audi and cooked it and ate it. Um. It's fucking nasty as fuck. Um. But there's something else recently did the I don't know. I'll be watching Matt Serial Killers ship, but I did think with cats because he mutilated the body he ain't eat, you know, but there's something I just saw recently where they was eating. Ship. Anyways, I'll be watching Matt serial

Killer ship. That's like my thing, which isn't good. But I'm not a serial but I'd really be liking that ship. And Netflix really makes me. It's I feel like it's training me to kill because so my name on Netflix is Wheezy, and the ship will email me and be like top fix picks for Wheezy. Don't funk with cats, Moms who murder wives with knives like abducted in plain sight, and I'm like, yo, this is audition. I haven't seen it all. My WiFi is how to get away with

murder and I almost got away with it. Also, there's more well there and there's another one um, and it's it kind of goes into what is it criminal? My hunner good as it goes into like the psychology of the FBI unit that searches like the criminal mind ship, why do we love this? And like what era are we in? My mom could stay up for hours watching I D and then we'll call me at seven in the morning and be like, did you lock your door

last night? I mean, that's how it gets. So I was going to drop my big old box because I just bought a box spring. So I want to drop my boxes because I have to take him to another building. And there was a nice man, um one of the maintenance men who worked in my complex, and he was so nice that I was scared that evening because he was like, Oh, what building do you live in? And I'm like, oh, that one? And then why did I tell him that I did? I thought he took the

box he can see even the apartment number. I'm in. Nothing about a nice maintenance man. And in my mind, I just gave a serial killer my address and we shouldn't think that's like, you know, Uber drivers be thinking they gotta talk for tip, not killing me tips. We are coming back to you this week with the Horrid Derv's segment, where we serve up a new sex tip every week. This one comes from one of our top

tier patrons. Shout out to Tay Richie actually is helping me manage the group chat um for our patrons, and he said, use the tip of your fingers slash nails to tickle the balls and gooch. It provides a nice sensation while we're getting hit and when the spot starts dropping down and mixes with the tickle nigga all caps. I will say, However, if you are dealing with a man who does not want you down by the gooch, this is still something I think that needs to be compassion.

I would say that sounds like that he said, nail, it don't matter, you'll get down there. He could, he could kick you so you could get your asshole. Gooch is the space between your testicles and your asshole right whe But if you're holding balls, you're technically touching the gooch because your nails are right there. I would still say, y'all know the type of niggas you fucking? I would still ask before because yeah, no, no, I was still asked.

I've been really wanting to like finger my dudes ass whole and every time see like I played the podcast ones to find a minute mark for something. I think it was the holiday episode, and he heard peg this time and he goes, who is that is that? You was that many? I was like, that's Mandy and he was like, oh, so you'll be paying because this is I'm okay, God damn. And then literally that episode we started talking about how you got to get a nigga wide open, just the clip he had to hear. He

was like, I don't want to be surprised. I don't want you to just let me like it's gonna ruin the time. It's funny because most most people think that, like I won't deal with a guy who doesn't let me peg him, which isn't the case. Like, there are a ton of guys where I share the craziest, wildest

things I've done. Of course, pegging is the most wild and crazy to most people, so I share that and thing pegging and like the sex club ship, like niggas also think like a sex club like them should think this. So they're really into me doing like being at the sex club, but pegging is still and then it gets into the whole thing and they're like, So there are men that I've talked to that aren't okay with them,

I'd be like, it's okay. You cannot be okay. And as I used to think pegging was the craziest thing I've ever done, but then I ate that cream pie. So then you had periods sense which which one's worse? What hold on you is worse than pegging? Yes, what's the problem this? It's blood? You have it every month. It's literally your body. Do you know I cringe every time I wipe. I don't like blood, bro, you don't need to get one of them, Like, God, damn it. Why do I have to be a woman. That's probably

why I act like a nigger club. It's gotta be believed. Literally, it's only three days. Um, we are Um. Although we are moving away from this segment, I thought that we could still keep this segment in because why liquid is here. So the kink of the week and what we're gonna dive into for the horrible decision is none other than leather subculture. Um. And so the leather subculture, which I want you to um hop in here any point. Actually, I'm gonna get through this and then we're gonna talk

into what leather subculture is and dive into this. So the leather subculture, which is the kink guys. Dnotes practices and styles of dress organized around sexual activities that involve leather garments, such as leather jackets, vests, boots, chaps, harnesses, or other items. Wearing leather garments is one way that participants in this culture self consciously distinguish themselves from mainstream and sexual cultures. Many participants associate leather culture with b

D s M, and it's many subcultures. First, some black leather clothing is an erotic fashion that expresses heightened masculinity or the appropriation of sexual power. So the love of motorcycles, motorcycle clubs and independence and or engagement and sexual kink or leather fetishism. That was That was good right that I literally was was texting Liquid this morning, like girl, I found this. You know about this, We're gonna talk

about this. So this is something although we we've I've worn leather um at the live show last year in d c UM and when I think of Dominatrix, of course I think of of leather. But we've never really talked about leather subculture. You talk about wearing chokers and even your ball gag was leather, right, Yeah, I mean I like the what was I gonna say, like the chokers with the long not like a leash, but the thing the fringe. And I wear harnesses with a lot

of my clothes to leather harnesses. But I didn't know I was like turning on. Yeah, so I wanted to I wanted to ask you in terms of leather, where does arousal come out of wearing it? Does it come more out of seeing someone in it? What? Where does the sexual aspect of leather? It depends and it varies from person to person, like for me personally leather having a leather heart and a leather lifestyle. You don't have to own leather to be leather. Okay you said a

leather heart. Yeah, I have a leather heart. I like that. Um, you don't have to own leather to be leather. You know, prior to leather lifestyle being a big thing, there was always leather LEVI people who wore jeans with their leather chaps and things. So you know, I know many people shore leather lifestyle that you know, they wear their pins and everything else on their geane jackets and leather. It's expensive. Not now it is can't afford leather, but um, pleather,

it's also another option guy. You know, for me it encompasses you know, the dom and me the strength the top. You know, it is sexy to look at. Um. It makes me feel good and powerful when I'm out. But um, some people it for men, mostly that strong masculinity, so you know when you see them in full on formal uniform, formal gear. You know, some people like yourself, were harnesses. I love wearing harness. I love harnesses too. And we

talked about this. Is there a difference between leather and latex? There isn't a For me, there isn't a difference. I love yeah both. Yeah. I thought maybe they would be like, but you have late liquids. Leather it okay for me, I wear both. Okay, I don't wear both at the same time. That's that's just I was about to say

that could be hot burn. Um. Something that I found, um and that I wanted to bring into just the kink of the week before we dive into leather and kink is something that I found called a leather bar. And I'm not sure if you know of any in New York or anywhere that you've been really, so we'll talk about that. So a leather bar in America is a bar frequented by gays, often sayto Massacus, dressed typically in leather garments. Um. And this is of course where

the word origin of leather bar comes from. Um. Do you have to wear leather to get into these bars? And in what area are leather bars in New York or anywhere else? You been everywhere? Um? Most of them are down in Chelsea and in the village around that area. Um. One of the ones that I frequent is Eagle, NYC. Its male. But so and there's typical rules for leather bars, especially that are frequented by men. Do you know some some of those rules? Yes? Okay, what's the rules for bar?

If you're going in as a woman. You cannot wear any perfume, right because they like their natural smells and that is very interesting and fucking an ass and gets that smell. They don't want to smell perfume and high fem things like that. It takes away Oh wow, did you did you notice that at the leather bar that

you went to there? No, I don't know if it was like a serious fucking leather so like the Eagle I went to and had a leather night and I know it's a leather bar, so the leather so okay, So there's a leather but they weren't requiring it, so it's not. Man, it's not mandatory. It is a leather bar, but it's not mandatory. There is a close check when you walk in, so most people check their clothes at the close check. In the country, it's always like the skanky, dirty,

grimy gay bar. I don't know why, right Austin when we were reading, I'm like, EGO, don't think he was like yeah, and that one's gross, but we love it, like every fucking eagle. Is it interest at a franchise because you have DC ego, you have a franchise. Yeah, I'm actually I'll be there on the seventeenth um for mid Atlantic Leather. But you also have San Francisco Ego. Oh wow. So guys, if you're interested in going to a leather bar, um, you can look up the eagle

in your city and see if one is there. What are other rules if one of our listeners wants to go to an other bar, So, ladies, if you want to go, don't wear perfumes, perving, perving, perving. Perferving is staring, but in a way that it's more than that. It's just like if someone is in a scene and they're playing, give them their space. You don't stand up and hover over someone. It throws them. Well, Um, if you guys are interested in going to sex clubs, um a lot

of times like you do. Like people will let you know if they want to be washed or if they don't want to be washed, or you can make people uncomfortable even though you're you're you want to be a voyor there's a way to voider without making someone uncomfortable. So you want to watch people engaging in sex from a distance, you definitely don't want to hover over them. So I like that. So no perving. I didn't know

there was a name for that. Uh. Consent, consent, consent, you know, don't just assume because you're in another gay bar that you know you can touch jointing someone seen anything, even from you know, I've gotten to women are the worst in gay bars for the consent by the way, Yes they are and they're touching. Yeah, and it's not fair.

It's not fair even even for us as women, like I think gay men approached it the same way too, because they figure, you know, well they know they don't want the gay men are touchy and women to gay men are touchy. So I think that that's something with consent that we haven't really touched on. Actually yeah, and that we should do that in spaces you have. Is it okay to hug you? Are you a handshaker? You know, things like that, because some people aren't into that. You know,

some people don't like to be hugged. Um, I'm okay with being hugged if I have. I have my own rules. I'm like, you don't like my perfume, I don't like the smell of pits, So I'll shake your hand. I just did something a Google with shout out to Layla and her co host where the girl. She was so funny. She was like kind of tense. I remember when I hugged her for a second and then we all had drinks after, and she was like, I really don't like that. I just don't find it necessary. I don't need it,

I don't want it. Like it's fine. So when I was leaving, like I patted her on the bag. I was like, I know, how comfortable, And she was like

she looked at me like she was relieved. It's crazy because I always hug people and I always ask for consent, and never I was gonna say, yeah, I don't think I asked for consent problems either, And I kiss on the cheek like I'm a lot and I forget that fucking people don't like this ship bro In a world where everything seems to be heightened, you know, I'm always weary, especially in places where B D S, M. Kink you know, is involved, because consent violation is a huge issue, you know,

and it's something that is talked about, but not in a way that it should. Everything always escalates to social media when it tried it, you know, it's like, oh, three years later, you violated my consent and instead of bringing it to you that day, three years later on bringing up now on social So that's what else I wanted to ask you in these spaces again because of

social media. So in sex clubs literally or in the Nude Beach, even at Hedonism when we went in Jamaica, they literally like there's like an unspoken almost no phone policy. So in leather bars because people are in chaps or maybe dressed a certain way that maybe they don't dress in a corporate setting. Is there a phone policy that they require at all? Do you know so in in leather bars the same as in like rope spaces, because I do a lot of rope. You do do a

lot of rope. Yes. We have a thing where we say, if you're going to take pictures, ask the person first. Don't be like, oh, let me take a picture and then take the picture and the persons like I didn't allow you to do that, But you asked the person beforehand. Is it okay to take a picture. You make sure there is no one else and take a picture of that person, because again you don't know, you know, who knows what or what people are doing for me. I'm

open about my ship. I'm never running for president. I have so much out on the internet it doesn't make a difference to me. But but party, it's see, it's crazy how all the world thinks I know the same things I know. I've read the sex pod. I wouldn't want that. Also went to a sex party and a girl was like, yo, like let's take a picture and I was like absolutely not, Like oh wow, no, we were totally close, we were outside of it, and I

was like, nah, I don't know what it is. So even we talked about it, even you at Hedonism, you were like, damn, I know people were having sex publicly, but you did say you're scared what if someone records you and scissors or you and a man doing anything. You still don't want that intimate level out. So you're like, I don't think I would do anything because in the front Hedonism was not a place where I found out

that people would do that. But like it hit me when you were in the pool dancing that there's always one yeah, and even though you didn't care, he didn't know if you cared, it wasn't a big deal. Like she was in the pool right and it was daytime, fully closed. But I was like, I just saw this guy with with this go pro and I noticed it, and it wasn't like, like I said, like many cared, but like I know she didn't see it initially, and I was just like, well, what if you didn't want it?

That's the thing though, too, I will say most people in this space do respect that. So I actually was able to attend a few days of Moka Fest when I was in um did I go to Cancoon part of Mexico was on yeah, little bit like what part of Mexico was? I did to lose the first listen geography geography, so I wasn't. I was a Kidcoon and Moca Fest and I remember, um, we were in the pool. There was a pool party day and they had girls go up on stage and twerk and it was a

turk contest and then they pulled out the bananas. And at that moment, like literally, the DJ was like, yo, everybody take their fucking phones away. He paused the whole thing because he was like, Nick, you did you not listen to me? Embarrass him was like, oh, you must not get pussy like literally, because you want to allow people to have a very good time. But also a lot of people in this space do have corporate jobs.

You and I, you know, came from corporate America where we didn't want people to necessarily know we were going to sex clubs, or we feared our coworkers seeing that, or that so much association with like that anything next to you. My agent literally said to me, like, I get that, your sex pot is why Wheezy is a person and is a thing where she's branching out. She told me that, Like, there was this vibrating company that wanted to do something with me. She was like, you

cannot take pictures with a vibrator. And I was like, what the fund is the big deal? I fucking put on a diaper on my show. And she's like, the things that I am pitching you for, you can't do that. She's like, sex pot is cool, don't put a vibrator in your hand. She's like, literally talk about the vibrator. I'm not gonna lie. That's where I'm like, even even with our past, which is why I'm trying to like the things that I'm doing solo won't be sex associated.

Because like I had the opportunity to do a brand deal with I won't say their name because them they didn't give me check, but we were talking with them. Um, I had my girl who pitches me to too brands, and so it was a company that fixes to teeth and clearly I'm getting you know, I want Visilne or whatever the is maybe to fix my teeth without going

the bracest route. And so we're having this back and forth with them, and literally this company was like I love her engagement, I love her you know, everything that we but our youngest consumer it's twelve, and so because our youngest consumer is twelve, she doesn't align with what she and Booty actually told me the thing about how she won't take a picture with a vibrator either either, which is crazy because she is PAP and is fuck known as a sex educator, but won't take a picture

with a vibrator. And it's to me that shows you the correlation between like you could talk it, but like once we see it, like it's just something about that image. I don't know what it is about photos and what's those things. Our very first photos shoot for Horrible Decisions, we had a dial dough that ship got removed star right, yes, so we don't even do deals womanizer that I've done

with the duel. It's not really the shape of a penis, So I like, I was, okay, look like a guy, damn vulval like, but anything with the dick shaped, like I remember, even our very first live show, we tried to put our Horrible Decisions logo um on Snapchat and because the fucking bananas insinuated a dick, we Snapchat won't allow our filter and every way, but I wrote a sketch that got accepted by a show network thing. Literally, they had so many questions about horrible decisions that I

didn't even want to give it to them anymore. I was like, this isn't even about sex. Do you guys think it's funny? It was a scene I set up in a restaurant. You want it, and now you're so fucking worried about everybody stockstick. Let's be very everybody. Every everybody guys for y'all, not everybody, but most people, mostly, most people. Most people do. She said, sutic, I know, suctic. I know, mom, this tectic grandma grandma sucking this year twenty nine. He and I went from now you know

she was a grandma. She could have just been Oh with no kids, don't call her grandma. Not everybody having kids. Okay, i'm ama, you are not a mema. I have adult children. So um, you are watching this YouTube. I can't believe it either? Can we can? We are? We are we allowed to ask what? No? You don't ask her age. You can't ever ask a woman her age? And women I come my youngest is fifteen, son, okay, okay, can you believe it? I can't believe it. I can't believe it.

But now I'm like, when I asked the thirty, okay, I didn't see that. Yeah, that's crazy, Okay, so you saw. So I went to Beach Pine, which is like this amazing rope event that is held at het and it's a two week event of rope and kink and debauchery and all this fun stuff. And it's like six am and should I could barely get up on a regular day when I have to go to work, but while I'm on vacation, I seen to wake up early every time. So I'm like, all right, let me go make a

tate by the beach. I saw a shell boy he's selling some ship and I'm like, yeah, hey Tanning, and I'm hearing this noise in my left there you go, and I go to turn my head over and this woman had to be in her seventies and she's blowing out her man. So I turned to the right and here's do going down on his girl, and I'm like, funk man. So I'm like looking straight now. And then you have a woman who's tied to a tree and she's blowing her man, and I'm like, am I the

fucking only one? Am? I the only one. Now do you know what it was? It's because like I meditated for a day and then like chicot weird. Then I went to the gym and then got speakers to heat. She's like going to the gym this morning. Were so we're so on over? I said, why is there a anyone in the gym on them? What is so like? Un the funk up being up since five am? This bitch is in the gym while we're coming out to get breakfast. Most things I enjoy. We are interrupting this

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let's get back to the show. Anyways, I want to get into the horrible decision. Of course, it is leather and kink Um Liquid has participated in the We Are Leather Women project, which brings awareness to the contributions of women in the leather community. I wanted to talk about that and kind of the history of women joining the leather community because for when I was looking into it. Most of the history did start more with gay mails. So can you talk about women now being a part

of the leather community women. I've actually been a part of the love of crenew for years. Like I said, I came up with a little twenty years ago, and I came up um in the scene with gay men, So I was like the token fem and UM. I used to go to parties and events in the city and the first place that I went to back then was the Vault. The Vault was this underground sex club that became a huge thing amongst celebrities, and you had different floors and this is in New York. Yeah, fourteen, Um,

it's not there anymore. It ended up getting shut down, didn't we get a trapeze shut down to down too? Yeah. So you would go through these floors and you would see everything from sex, spanking, wax play, all of those things. And from my first month or so of attending, I was like knee deep into it, literally, And I met so many women through going to these events because you had to know someone to get into these places, and

there weren't but a few women of color. Oh that we're openly out there because kink was still taboo, you know, and then being it still is. I mean, we still get quite the reactions from some of the conversations we have on end, which is why we're we're trying to normalize just a little bit. But like, yeah, like so the fact that you've been in it for twenty years, you're seeing more women of color now into it. What else did this space bring and and you know, what

did you bring to it? My my dominant perspective of being a strong black because we're as black women and just as a black culture in general. When in kink we're fetishized. We talked about that, Yes, we are fetishized from like the moment we walk in. Our narrative is written by the people that are in that room. So you have um women who they automatically expect to be submissive, you know, in some spaces, and that's that's far far

from it. I thought it was the opposite. And I thought that, like, if you're fetishizing a black girl and like the king space because you want them to dumb you, I always thought not in every instance, No, you have white men that want to own black women. You have because you have white men who want to own black men as slaves because we're always talking female. So it's like I was about, Yeah, a lot of the domes. Of course, we we interview um black women in the space,

and so you have the doms. But most of the time they want the men want to be sub to them. Yeah, my people that I come across, and they know because I demand a presence when I walk in a room, and you know, a lot of the people I interact with, even my clients, are all submissive, you know, and that's

what I bring to the table. But I do get a lot of young women in kink that don't necessarily know, so they're easily preyed upon as predators come in and oh, you know, I'll help you and I'll mentor you and help you navigate, and then they end up screwed in some situation. But if you look on places like fat Life, fat Life has a white men for niggers or and e er niggers, no niggers, only have you met women that are okay with playing that role? Like do you

know many women of color that play that role? Every little? But I went into the group just to be nosy, and I was just like I was cringing at the who the fucking their right mind there? We both said, that's what they're like, BBC. All we're not gonna talk about BBC. You know, I'm curious you who only likes black cock. I can't help it. I like it. Ton't even call it. Okay, I don't even call it, but I do like that point. You know, white people made it.

We call the bb D. I wouldn't say nothing, but well, you know what we're gonna change. They don't even say it like that. If you go on to fat life and you look at those if you just in the search engine of fat Life, they're not they just like, that's what I'm saying. Like, but I'm like, really, it's just like, so there's women that are seeking this from men, but a lot of a lot of the white men are wanting to actually only with a black man because of Yah. Yeah, she's probably find it on barn hup

to rep Tube everywhere. A wow. And so how do you, as a black woman come into this space and make sure you're not being taken advantage of because of your color or because of you being a black woman. You know what I mean? Everyone, I'm so sorry. The first thing that came up is white girls say the N word. Ultimate compilation. There's a compilation of white women saying the N word. Oh my, don't play it. No, no, because I know you'd be liking to ship. We don't need

that's that's what we're about to do right now. That is face right. No, that is that is crazy that there's a compilation. But I wouldn't have thought that even with the men that I deal with, as far as in terms of my community and my Black brothers and my Spanish brothers who are in King. They post the conversations that they get on Grinder and other places where it's like let me suck your nigger dick and this that like people send them ship and I'm like, where

in your mind is this okay? And they're thinking that this is a turn off, so that a black man or a Spanish man is supposed to be like, here, you can suck my dick now because you called me a nigger. Yeah that's bullshit. So so okay. So moving back into just being a a strong black woman in the space, where how do you move about not being preyed on? And for women who are looking to get into the space, what advice would you give to them to make sure that they're not being preyed upon on?

So prey upon on all motherfucker's so scientists too. It's funny because I posted the other day someone had asked my question about I always joke about being solo Polly or single Polly, and um, someone asked, can you tell us what single poll is? So I am single, but I live a Polly life style. So I'm just right now I'm not seeing anyone because people are looking crazy. They are not only that, it's I seem to attract crazy vanilla folk and the kinky folk I timidate, which

is odd. So wow, my resting bitch face scares people. Do you think, like, do you look for single people? Do you like taking couples? Do you I am mixed, so it depends on the interaction. I don't date sneaky people. And what I mean by that is if you are in a Polly relationship and your partner doesn't know that you're talking with me or engaging with me at all, I will gladly go into your d ms and into their d m s. And my, hey, that's so funny he said that, because that's our homes for I wanted

big for transparencies like talk communication. Let's sidebar this really quick. Manby and I have said on this podcast, which we very very rarely agree. We don't agree on it, but we have both said we thought it wasn't right when women will go and tell another woman's no, don't say that. We're going to get into that. For the home it's actually want to know do you? What makes you do it?

It's in our home mail. Don't ask you? God damn anyway, because before we get to that conversation question no, no, no, because you'll get the answer, because we're gonna get into that conversation at the end, but before we do. If you guys are watching on YouTube, you guys see colors sitting here and again, which I did my research. You're gonna let me teach the folks. God damn. I like the educational moments. So I found out something this is what bitch whoa. I'm going to get you a T

shirt that's controlled freak. I literally like to make sure like we're talking about someone in a space like that. I didn't know much about, so I was able to do a lot of research on this, and there's actually colors of leather and fetish. It's called the hanky code. The hanky code is a color coded system employed in the gay leather ad fetish community to indicate preferred sexual

fetishes and rolls. And I thought this was very interesting, especially if you do decide to maybe go into a gay leather bar or just a leather bar as a woman, um to know kind of what these um colors mean. The history of the hanky code is that the wearing of various colored bandanas around the neck was common in the mid and late night teenth century among cowboys, team

railroad engineers, and miners. Is thought that wearing the bandannas by gay men originated in San Francisco after the Gold Rush, when, because of a shortage of women, men dancing with each other and square dances developed a code. We're in the man wearing the blue bandana took the male part in the square dance, and the man wearing the red bandanna it's a female part um. So there's also, of course we know if you wear it out the left side, that's the crypt side. I know that from from Snoop Dog.

But the top side okay, So let's all right in this community, A relevant a relevant element of the Hankey code is the location of where you put this. So wearing a color on the right side indicates that you are a bottom, while wearing the color on the left side indicates god damn hell up. So there's also it's a lot. It's a lot, so so left means top,

right means bottom. But if you wear the hanky around your neck like it, I mean there was only one of the So we're gonna get into the colors, guys, and I'm actually I want weezy to guess some of these. The first one is really easy and you don't have the colors, so we're we're gonna say the first one and guess what it means. What do you think a yellow bandana means bottom? No, bitch, God damn it, that's the blot side of right side. What it's what sexual kink?

Do you think yellow? And guess bitch? Okay, So if you wear a yellow bandanna means you like piss play? Um, you have what color here? And what does that stand for? Black means heavy M Yes, so you're says b D S M and I flag left you flag left on b DSM, which means you flag top. You flag top Um, the next color you have is red. Can you guess what red means? No, bit, it doesn't mean. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Bit, No, bitch, it doesn't mean blood, but close close because it can like

love it, man, it could cause blood. Bitch should get taken too much, you know. Okay? Anyways, so the red means that you are into fisting. You fisted, Oh my god, it was oh fingers damn, that's Kristen fist fisted a bit. So the next color, oh, okay, so that's left for me as well. So we have light blue and your fist blue. You fist, I got a little baby hands. Look at she fisting. But look, bitch, she got nails. You're fissing with nails. See I like it assisted both

anal and vaginal with nails. Queen, bitch, let me see something true? Are you telling me right now? Yeah? We fingering budda holes and fist. But John, see your fist. Oh yeah, she has small hands that you do. So the next um. Colors in the hanky code are light blue and dark blue, which means two different things. So light blue means so actually these are similar variations. But if you are going by male um gay mail. One is um anal and one is fucker fucking Yes, there's fun.

There's also jobs, they say for light. So light blue is like the baby light, Oh like a baby like okay, so these means fuck fucking fucker is that? Yeah? So both and then we got two more colors. So we got pink. I'm ready to see what you go to the right arm. Oh wait, you have two colors of pink. Okay, so what do the two colors ill? Girls? Rich cream pies, no proceed eating, no lesbians. So light pink means you all. You were got damn all. So she was a it's rush.

She was just she was just throwing at every she thought. She's a little poor categories. So this I am actually switched. Okay, So your switch when it comes to dildo. So that means you'll wear the strap or take the strap, yes, okay? And then what is this color nipple torture? Is that what Joe um nipple sick fuck whatever, Nickele sick nile

nipple nile. That is a goddamn song, twister, you know how that came out right stick simp niple fucking Anthony and I went out and I told him the whole story and he says nothing the whole time, right, and he wouldn't make me stop, and he goes, that's sick nipple fuck and that became a god damn nickname. And we have one more color. What does gray mean? Gray is bondage? Yes, so I am a rope bottom. You are a rope bottom. That is the only time I bottom.

I like that. So we had Sir Dash in here, and he has his muses that he enjoys um tying up, but they do enjoy the act of being bonded as well. So I really like that. And because we these so had to have this conversation with you. Since you're now, I do want to ask you mentioned that you have clients, what do you do well in my vanilla life, which is very boring. I am a clinical social worker, yes, corporate, let's get it in your social worker. Yeah, so that's

what I do my nine and five job. Because when you said my clients, and in my leather life and my kink life, I am a prodom and educator, presenter, model, so I do all of those. But yeah, I have to um that I've had for the past what to three years now, corporate clients that pay all my ship. How do they find you? Um? Actually one of them found me at a sex event. The other one found me on Seeking Arrangements. Think that site works much anymore? Yeah,

it's it. So I have um one that I call Mr World Street and the other one I call Mr Finance because one is an attorney over here down the block and the other one works in finance. No, they're great. Um. I graduated with another master's in May. Um say that master because my my original was in forensic science and I was working in social work for the past fifteen years. And in order to go beyond that, you need your license.

So I was like, let me go back and do it because my ultimate goal was to open up my own practice, but specializing in b D, S, M and kink for people of color who dealt with any type of sexual trauma. I love that. And that was a PC that I didn't even I didn't even know, So that's that's dope. And again, like we love being able to bring people on that are in this space, but that do not only solely live in this space. Like you can be corporate and go to sex clubs on

the weekend. You can be maybe in a more submissive role at your job and then be a complete down when you go home. So I love that, Like, you're educated, you're going and you're wanting to actually also combine the two, so your education with making people in the space fel comfortable. So I really like that. That's really dope right now.

I am. I just took on a role UM with the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom UM and they are basically volunteer base which across the country UM educating and UM pushing awareness for b d S, M and kink. But the great thing about it it's volunteer base, but you have attorneys, you have accountants, it's all of the because and I don't want it to sound condescending because obviously we have the show for a reason, be like, why do we need a coalition, Why do people need

to be why do we need awareness of king? So the coalition is for a lot of things UM. You will see them at different events throughout the city, UM throughout the country. You can go to like UM. One of the events that I go to is UM a unity thing and it's for lgbt q I A plus people of color and it's a networking thing. You'll see them they're tabling because you have different avenues of kink and people in those spaces, but they don't often talk about it, you know, and fear of talking about it.

It's also to keep the community safe because you have a lot of consent violators and when you're in kink and b D s M, everything is your fault if you go to the cops. So it's a big thing. So it's a place where you can go and report things like consent violations, consent rate and all of those things, and it will be documented. So if you ever wanted to know that if someone was a consent violator, you can reach out to them and they will let you know.

They won't say who made the report, but they would say, yes, we've had so and so many reports about this person or so many reports about this event space, you know. So it's about keeping the community safe. I really like that, you know, because um, right now, what we do in the community is as far as being proactive about talking about consent violations is things usually spill over on both social media and that's when you hear about it, but

of course no one ever gets facts. So the first thing everyone does is pull out the pitchforks and you know it's on a rant, but just reminded me of did you guys see the Kiki Wendy Williams thing? Wow, Wendy is shitty. Yeah, but I love how Kekey Palmer likes it. Didn't even like hit me until like I saw it the first time, but then watching it again, just maybe being more well versed in consent because that happened two years ago. He was like, why did I

was like, what the fun? Yeah? The victim will always be blamed. He was like, well I did. Can I

have a fucking minute? Actually, when you're in like an area where there are people who are prominent within the community or producers of events, no matter what you say, even if you have valid proof of like the abuse, consent, violation, pictures, photos, all of those things, their little lynch mob it's like the Trump Fest and you'll go and attack you with with those things and you're lying and you know that whole gas lighting thing, and it sucks and you become

the outcast. Time well, speaking of all this ship and what we was trying to get to you to talk about earlier, because he didn't came in, you didn't even know he was gonna talk about this. So the homemaale protect it's homemale snitching on a married woman. Yeo, I foss with you too. So I met this girl somehow. It's the niggas. I'm really like a little nick. So I met this girl some so she h him you hit me up. A couple of months later and we

hooked up. She lives in a different state, so I thought it would just be just when I'm in town thing. Early nineteen. We started talking all the time, and I pounded her a few more times and introduced her to a lot of kinky ship bondage, dom foot fetish. Then she tells me she's married but they've been doing their own thing for years, and was saying she wants to leave him for me. They have two kids that I met inbound with and I was working with her heavy,

so I was like, yeah, leave him. Long story short. When it came time to make it happen late nineteen, she kept making excuses. Then we fell out. She keeps saying I love you so much, I'm just scared to make the change, blah blah. I feel away because I was fine with being a side ting, but she kept pushing put puting I feel away anyway, she kept pushing

for a relationship between us. So here's my question. Would it be wrong of me to out her to her husband like I wanted to send him screenshots and videos of us sucking at their apartment. Yes, I flew to her city. I didn't want to start the pot until I heard a lot of podcasts saying that never women never get caught cheating. L O L help her brother out. PS. I'm twenty nine sheets thirty and I'm coming to the

Detroit show. See y'all there you go. Oh, we got to gotta bring him one that gotta be the home and we gotta do a live or not. He's gonna be the case to fucking Mary bitches. We're gonna bring you on anyway. Um oh wait, or maybe we did already because god damn this is after god damn Detroit Show. But I'm gonna email him back. Um so, so, motherfucker you you are okay without it, and you don't have to He said videos that he said video sending videos

and fucking that's a little much. But you said, if someone is coming to you and you see that they're in a relationship, you don't mind going to the person they're in a relationship with and saying you're person, your spouse, your girlfriend, your boyfriend is trying to talk to me. Yeah, and that that that was the whole ship show that right, So that's a whole different thing. You know that you're the side thing umgory and you came into that dynamic. Yeah,

that's what it is. It's not he it's coming out of place of malice. I'm saying it as if I know that there is a guy hitting me up on Instagram and he has a partner and they're both Polly. Whatever the case, maybe they're both Polly. Yes, even okay, I will messenge her. Hey, isn't it okay? So and so I was talking to me because I never want to look like some sneaky ass person. What if you don't if you know they're not what if you know they're not Polly? Oh no, same thing. Oh, same thing.

So it's weird though, because so again I'm with you. I've had people follow me on I g like because their man was following me and nothing. You know, I've barely engaged with most people on the internet, Like I'll engage with people that I know or things like that we actually have mutual friends. When you said actually, I was like, yay, she brought her on. She was a guest on our show. I do want to make sure

we're all in agreeance though, because it seems vengeful. We all agree that he no, no, I agree no, right, because it's coming from and she was like videos and not a place of informing. But more so, now you're hurt because she decided not to leave her partner for you. Is where I see that it's coming from, and that's out of malice. I'm not doing anything like that. I'm saying if you're saying that, because I'll ask straight out whether it's male, female, whoever? Does your partner know we're

having this discussion. And if you say yeah, I'm going to go introduce myself. And you've been in this type of yeah, I've never really been with a guy that has a girl. But I went on a date with someone who was married, um in an open relationship. They were both on the same site. I matched him. Oh remember I was telling you he was on a Netflix show and I recognized him from there and I wrote him and he was like, hey, like literally second message, just let you know I saw pictures of the girl,

but I was like, maybe it's not. He was like, we're totally open. Blah blah blah blah. Did you feel the needs to A year before I went on a day, I didn't feel the need to write hurt. But also in the middle of his the date, she called twice and he's like, so sorry, Like I wouldn't have answered, but she called me twice, so he walked out. I guess she got locked out of the house or whatever.

And when he talked about how much he loved her and like how much he cared about her, that let me know this isn't for me, but I want this for myself. Like I can't be on the receiving end, you know what I'm saying, because I think I would get too many feelings of either jealousy or not. Like I feel like maybe I'm even normal and polly to be jealous. You know. People say, oh, you can't be jealous. It's human behavin about communication, you know, and how you're

reacting to that jealousy. And I know that because I've been on I was dude once, I was dude, and I was dude. I have video choose let me, not even front, but I never sent it, you know, but in a moment of anger and insecurity that I was like, you know what, I should be that bit because he's gonna feel like but also because I knew that that person, unlike in his situation make an excuse. I knew the

person was lying about it. And then what you were saying about jealousy to me, I think it's important, yes, to understand, we get we feel that feeling of jealousy, but to know what would make you jealous, which is why when I talk about either an open relationship or however the case may be, I've said multiple times I don't care what you fucking someone else, that wouldn't make

me jealous. But the emotion of you taking someone on a date, And we talked about this when you're dating lover boy and letting him go on dates, to me, I was like, oh girl, I could never because to me, you intimately learning somebody or spending time with them outside of sex, to me, would make me more jealous than

you just sucking a bit. So it's also knowing what triggers that jealousy, like if it's kissing in a threesome like lay Lay those things out because yeah, again we can't control it or jealous of but I think we know what triggers us being jealous. So even just being open with that, communicating that with your partner, if you do decide to be Polly. So okay, I'm glad we're all on the same page with this. I wanted to before we get out of do it. You just don't

do it. It's out of malice, it's out of like just you feeling use abused and you being hurt. I would never say here's your fault and never to mentioned like you went in that apartment knowing like that's kind of girls, her kids, You really dedry, you know, I do wanna before we get out of here, where can our listeners um, new listeners, old listeners, um wor hive? Where can they find you? We are going to put all of this in the description of the episode as well,

but where can our listeners find you? You can find me on I g um at Inc, Underscore Stained, Underscore Skin, same on fat Life. I'm not on Twitter since Trump blocked me, so there was no leave for me to have an account anymore. A lot of president they got blocked by his I mean we don't. He's not our president. But at roll time, so much. Please. Half of the housewives blocked my ass too. I was strolling everybody. I'm only blocked by Jackie. Um, Jackie, Jackie, I don't know.

I wanted her to come on, but then I saw was blocked. Wet. I don't know. I was watching the show probably talk about it. Yeah, that's what I was doing obviously, you know, so I got blocked. But okay, So yeah, so we're gonna put that in the description. And do you have any any websites that maybe um they can reach out to you or can they just d M you if they have question DM me and um, yeah,

hit me up. If you have any questions, if you want to know about anything prodom related, if you want to know anything about kink and leather and being black and getting into the community and events, hit me up. I'm trying to go. So can you have a nice long email like we had a few weeks back. Yeah, oh my god, it was ridiculous. I'm gonna say, just started intro black paragraph the body and my husband and I we really why don't have a husband? But yeah,

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fall back before we have problems. That is how this all that. I write it, and I just smirked hold on. I smirked hold on because I don't hold on. So let me go back. Look, I haven't in order. That's why you can't read it, because I have to go. I have three D screenshots in order. Look Zilla getting a chair. So my my initial response, my initial response to her was a screenshot of our conversation that day. He hit me up that day and said, you miss me. I responded, I don't though, scram He said, l O

L you're such a bit. I said, dealing with you. I said, I'm over you. You happy with you? Woman? You got it? Leave me be. His response, Damn, we can't be friends. We ain't shipping no more. Huh. This is what your nigga is writing me. So I literally like the most perfect response. So I send her the screenshot and I said, you know the man you're with, whatever problems you have should be with him, not with me. And I sent her the screenshot of her nigga saying, damn,

we can't be friends. We ain't shipping no mo. Huh Right, So this is what she gets. Her response, hold on, I had to send my insights to my polosist. Her response, boom oh, okay, okay, read read the top part so you got okay, co read it because there's parts in there that are laughable, So please read it slow and with a tone. This is the paragraph. This is her response after I send the screenshot of her man saying we ain't we can't be We ain't shouldn't no more.

Here's her response. Read it Read it so her response to the screenshot of her nigga to me, Well, you know he has someone, so why keep being a home record. But it's all good though. I dealt with him and you won't be able to reach him anymore because he changed his number. He ain't the best I know, but things have gotten better. Then I see y'all's messages. Why do I care? Right, it's like, why you entertaining other people?

Men that ship don't get old. Also, I have a problem with everyone in the situation, especially when you know about me and last year you bluntly disrespected me by posting him regardless of what he tells you. You know what's up? Oh no, no, because now don't pull up her page yet because you're gonna be like, oh, y'all look like cousin. She got a big gas. All my niggas have types. I look very close to all my niggas bitches. Um. I don't know what she is. She's

oldest that so listen hold on, guys. So that's what she writes to me. This is my response to her. I'm not wrecking any home. He was single then at least that's what he is saying when he gets in my phone. I know of you being around the same way I've been around for the last nine years. I don't know to what capacity your relationship is with him when you're on or when you're off. If he's in my phone, I don't assume you're in the picture. So I'm entertaining a grown single man at those times, la

mao at regardless of what he tells me. So this is something you need to take up with him. And I said, her name, not me. Get a ring that would be more telling of where y'all stand. Stop. This is what I wrote her was shady. I was being respectful. I said, get a ring that would be more telling of where y'all stand. Unless the next time he hits my phone telling me he's single, you would like for me to check in with you first. Her response after that,

mind you, this is the funny thing. She's already told me he's changed his number. He won't be contacting you no more. Next thing, you know, hold on? Oh oh wait. So I asked her this, her response, this is before we get her response after that, she says, we've been leaving together for seven years. I want to make sure I bring in her misspelling. We've been leaving together for seven years. I'm not just around. His kids live with us. He left a year and went to another state. That's

the only time I wasn't around. But it's all good. He won't talk to you anymore. I guarantee that. I double tapped her message and said, I said, please guarantee it. I've been trying to tell him we are done. He won't leave me alone. H sound this girl