EP 313: A Whore in Therapy (Ft. Jason Lee)

a son? Okay, I'm easy, walk to the show. I'm really sorry. We have a guest in the villa. And to be honest, I always feel weird when we have interviewers on because I'll be like, fuck, we're terrible at this. We talk shit. I'd like to say, oh, we have conversations with people just then and be like, damn, why did y'all go all over the place. Well, y'all, we have Jason Lee in the building today, and I'm excited

because I'm your guard is down. We talked already, I mean, even to have been horrible, Well, there's no there's never a guard up. I go into every interview ready to just shoot every motherfucking down if they try me. So my guard is never up. It's never up, it's always down. Yeah. I mean, I'm very comfortable. But I had great time last time we talked to I love it. But why horrible? Because I made horrible decisions I made. Everybody watching you've

seen all my decisions and you talk about me. Um, yeah, but I'm making better decisions now, you know, And I make strategically a horrible decision. I don't just be making horrible decisions, just do it. You know what I call strategic horrible decisions being like a safe hope. It's like me leaving my location on me bringing a condom. That's my strategic horrible decision. Basically bringing a condom is a horrible decision. No, no no, no, what I'm saying like, well,

I don't think horrible decisions are bad. Bet, Yeah, it ain't a bad thing. You know. We made the show title based on the premise of, like, you know, you could be called a whole were in a short skirt. So it's basically like empowering women to have their quote unquote slooty moments safely having fun and enjoying it liberating.

I just had I just had a friend hanging out with me here and I told her when she got out of her relationship, she was in a relationship like five or six years, and then, oh, I don't want to be Anybody said you need to just go be oh four, give yourself one year to be a reckless horse. The type of work like walk in the club, find the nigga that you want to fuck, and walk up to him and say, I want to fuck you. You said just one year, you're just one a whole decade.

That well, I think a year is good if you just depends your age. I ain't gonna hold you. A year makes sense if you in your thirties and maybe didn't experience it because he was in a long relationship. But to me, I think a lot of us had enough time to be in our whole phase, especially in our twenties, that I think a year is a good time. I wouldn't suggest someone to just be in a whole phase.

I disagree. If you're coming off a five year relationship right now, you already know what you want and love what you want next, what you what your likes and disclikes, aren't you kind of need that year to just suck around. I think we could keep having whole phases. I think I'm having another one at forty. Yeah. I think you can have a whole phase at any stage your life when you need to have that release, no pun intended. I think you should just give yourself the flexibility and

freedom to do what you want. At the end of the day, it's all about your choice. I always tell people when people say, oh, is this person gay or straders? Are you get I don't believe in all of that. I believe in fluidity. I believe in evolving the sexual experience. I don't believe somebody should be forced to be this or this or identify with this. Bill hor don't be like just be you like bbu, be as free as you want to be, as long as everybody's consenting, legal

and STD free. And look, if you're in the STDs, do your thing. You know how if it's a STD some people are youre fucking like they don't care just to stick a bumping me. Oh yeah, they don't. They don't think everybody cares. Until you get your first one, you're like, oh damn. And a lot of people got theirs, and they because they realize it's just a pill. I caught my first one, and when caught it again two weeks later, a pill in the shot. To be honest,

thought taking a pill to make clamidia go away. It's just so it's just too simple. They gotta make it a little more difficult. Sit me down now, They've got to make it. Have a conversation with me, be like, bitch, you know you gotta stop. Well, if when you do it, when you get it the second time they do have that conversation, really refer you to therapy. They're like, you need to go get help. They actually refer me, I didn't go. You know, I just got my STD results

back the other day. And again I'm completely negative on everything, and I'm on PREP and I and I'm saying the reason why I'm saying PREP is because I just recently the Angel Martinez and show, and I was telling people, told my story about all that, and I feel like I'm meeting a lot of straight people that do not know about PREP. And I'm like, how do you not know about PREP? I knew about it. I was just

never on it. So it's because so I tried to get on PREP or I was looking into getting on PREP a couple of years ago, especially because I go to sex clubs and I'm okay with my partners being fluid. So I dealt with a lot of guys who may have been with trans women, may have dipped in dad, may have been a little diplo on a stick where they're not not gay, but they'll let a little bit shout out to my boy play with him. We ain't playing. No, don't you play West will be in my will be sext.

This ain't what we do on it. No, this is not what we do all of that. I ain't got do it where. No, this is a good thing. I'm saying. I deal with guys who maybe very much like him. Yeah, when I saw that clip, I was so. I was on Patreon she said, oh that shit, maybe that's my friend.

When I m I say, nay, but that's where Like so when I was looking into if I actually get on it, because I know I'm suscepting myself to that or being at a higher risk, they literally would not like give a straight woman or a woman at all prep Like you have to go the same thing like when power shot at company out real quick. I've been working with the Department of Health in Orlando and there's a company talk test Tree, and they taught me and

I've been doing talks and shit with them. Sixty eight percent of new cases of HIV are black, are black women, and they are preaching prep um. Make sure to check them out. They give free HIV kids. But seriously, like, yeah, I hate that happened. I think it's really sad because like when monkey pox came out, you know, I of course got a proved to go get the vaccination, which was interesting because when COVID came out and niggas was dying all over the world every day, I was like,

I ain't getting that vaccagion. The minute munkeypox came out and I saw nigga with a hole in this throat out like what the fuck is that? I'm about it? Yeah, because I know we don't want what we can see. No, well, we will take a risk with what your case. I ain't hold you. I was nineteen keys when the COVID shot came out. I was like, I'm not but let me tell you. Let me tell you. I went down and got it. But I took all my straight friends.

What I did was I said, these are all my lovers and they all needed to and so all my straight friends were able to get it. And I think it's I say a lot of it to say. I think it's unfair that, like, we know that these diseases are affecting you know, women who identify straight or whatever, because they're in situations with people who aren't maybe sharing information and everybody should be available to get it. Um, it's really sad. But yeah, I am so happy that

I'm good. And because I've been reckless. We talk about horrible decisions. I've been a war for thirty one years now. You know, what do you think is one of your decisions you made where you were just like like I show up taking to the grave, But you're gonna tell it today. Why I don't take anything. I put it out out there. You know, we all love Charlemagne. He told me something I'll never forget. He was like, there

was something that came out about me. I think it was like a muck shot and I was really upset. He was like, bro, post the mug shot. Use your truth before someone used it against you. I mean, that's what Rihanna did with you share your things before someone tries to Well, it's about controlling your narrative. I mean, at the end of the day, we're in the world now, especially with the cell phones and the internet and social media, everybody wants to be paparazzi and post your business. So

post it first. Uh, let's see one of my horrible decisions that I didn't take it to the grave. Actually, one of my most proudest viral moments was I was on this app, it's a social media at rice or live stream, and I became one of the top broadcasters there was making lots of money and I have billboards and all this and that. So I was popular on the app. And one night I was in Atlanta and I had gotten so wasted that I went live on the app, which you should never go live when your'reted.

Y'all saw me when I did that with Safari in Mexico where I was doing all this with Dick and all that, I was drunk in the pool, y'all said, I was on heroin cocaine whatever you knew what that was. That was. That was a horridle decision, But I had to do something for BT but whatever. Shout out to BT y I'll still pay me. Um. So I go live on this app and this motherfucker. I go in the room and this motherfucker's like, yo, you fine, you know whatever, he's shooting a shot. Tell me all these

things you're gonna do. I said, nigg you better watch him out because I'll fly you out. We'll get into that. We'll get into that. That's where I get known for flying somebody out. So, um, I go to sleep. I wake up in the morning. My phone is blowing up. I flew to motherfuck out and didn't know you did what? So I flew out. He's like, I'm in Atlanta. I'm like for what. He's like, you flew me here. I go, no, I didn't goes. You put me in a text with you assist and he flew me out. I go, okay, Well,

what you're gonna do? Now? Here's my mind? Where's my mind? Right? Like everyone saw that you no, no, no, I got the DN me got the number. I guess because I don't, you don't remember. So I go back. I look at my text and there is literally a text saying the damn it was confirmed. So I'm like, okay, it's seven in the morning. I've flown somebody out. Jason Leaf flew somebody out right now next day? Oh I mean the tech the flight happened within hours, right wow, So not

the people behind the scenes to judgment. But this is why you own your ship, because that nigga about to really go for real. Like he met me in the hallway and thought I was cool because I'm calm and I smelled and I'm dressed, and I say, no, I'm a horr I've made horrible decisions. I'm a horror therapy. So I so I'm like, okay, now here's my dilemma, right because now I'm sobering up. I've flown somebody out. I'm now responsible for you if I don't connect with

you and I leave you stranded. You're on social media and this person was twenty five years old. I'm forty five years old, so not got you flew a young nigga out, left him stranded at Hartsfield Airport. So now you got a link with the person, but you don't really know who you're linking with. What say, your assistant book the flight, but not the car service, my assistant, that's what my assistant did. Your assistant then be like, by the way, it's six in the morning, and my

assistants on the West coast, so it's three. That motherfucker sleep. I did my job. Good luck with your decision. My team abandoned. When I make bad decisions, they do what they need to do to get it done, and then they and then you get the fuck out of the way. I called my assistant off of a boat in the all Mulfi Coast like, bitch, I'm with this old nigga helped me find me another room. She's like, Okay, I'm telling you that's what they that's really what we pay

for it. Listen. I So now I say, okay, you know, I'm gonna uber you to my hotel so we can have breakfast, because now we need to sit and have a conversation about this was a horrible decision. So I uber the person to my hotel and they get there and they got their luggage or whatever, and I said, you know, just before we before we get started. Um, you know, I'm really not big with social media. I don't want no video, no photos, don't post nothing. I

just you know, this was not the best decision. But you're here. What ever, Okay, So I said, so then then they go, my mother's a big fan of yours. Like okay, that's not there. And they're a big fan, right, So I'm like, okay. So now they're talking about loving hip hop scenes and whiling out jokes, and I'm like, you know what, I don't really don't feel comfortable talking about none of them my work because I don't talk

about my work to people like this. You know. But we didn't get to know each other because I just flew you out yesterday or whatever. So I said to them, you know, um, I think it's the best idea that you go somewhere. Do you have a friend out here? I have my best friends and all. And I said, okay, cool, let me over you to your best friend. If you need anything while you're here, I'll take care of it. I got you. I'm good. We're friends now, right, so we don't do anything. I put them in a car.

They go off. Now. I'm shopping one day and at the mall and U or Nyman and I get a text that says me and my friend just fell out. I ain't got nowhere to go, and I'm and I ain't got nothing else to wear. I'm literally standing next to a clearance rack right now, mind you, I just I just said recently, I don't call me white girl that if I'm wearing you or my nigga gonna wear de or like, I'm gonna make sure because your your nigga is a reflection to you. People who don't believe

that is probably single with you know, empathetic whatever. So, but this's not my niggas. This nigga accidentally flew out. So I'm I'm like, okay, you need something where? Okay, cool, I look at my fragg just grab something off the rack, right, just grabbing, just grab something. It's everything, say, twenty four dollars, twenty three dollars whatever. So my friend grabs a pair of white um guest jeans and a white guest shirt.

I don't know the last party. Not only that not an all white fit, and it's not even an all white party. And on top of that, the guest logo is so big it ain't even all white. No, my friend was lazy. He just he literally went like this. I don't even know if we looked at the side. He just grabbed the ship. So we get in the car. So I said, okay, we're going to a party tonight. I'm leaving tomorrow, so you can come with us to the party and then I'll send you to the airport.

And I got you outfit. Worry about it. So I get the outfit, and so he goes, well, where I get dressed to go? You can get dressed in the hotel. They go to my hotel. I said, check your luggage in at the front because you don't need to bring it to my room because you're not spending night. So do that. So he does that where I fucked up. He gotta receipt, So he gotta receipt that he put his luggage at my hotel. I'm not knowing this is the receipt collector on the way. So we go to

the party. The person standing outside in the rain with no umbrella waiting for me. I pull up with two black cars full of people. And now these people in the car are on the same APP because they're a part of my family on the APP. And I'm telling and I don't want nobody to know that I fool him out, so I'm trying to hide my horrible decision. So I'm like, can you please go inside the club. We'll be in there in a minute. You don't need

to be outside. Oh no, I'm waiting for you. So we get out and somehow I figure how to shovel him into the mix. He gets in, he gets up there. Now he's drinking, everybody's drinking. He's trying to dance on me. I'm like, I'm not about to do all that. So I so I've covered this up the whole night. But people now are around me are kind of like, is it he on the app? And I'm like, I'm there's a lot of people in here. Maybe an app as I have. We all on Instagram, we all on Facebook.

So long story short, night's over. Now I've been drinking, they've been drinking. Everybody's drunk, and this person needs a ride back to get their luggage. I'm like, okay, you come back and get your luggage. So we get to hotel, get the luggage. Okay, well I need to change. Okay,

Well there's now. The thing that I have to say is that people, especially people who look like me TSA, hotel workers, food service workers, they know me stores, They are on me every time I'm moving and I see them looking at me, and so I'm always very aware of like where I'm at and who I'm win and how you're behaving and what you're saying. And because I know that they will, even though the other platforms won't post me like that, because we have a relationship, I

still I'm always very aware. So I let the person come to my room. And here's where it went bad. Drunk, horrible discisions jermain. I went. I let the person shower and get dressed. Then I showered and got dressed for bed. And then the person says, you know what, my flight is just not for a while. Can I just crash here and I'm gonna get up? I say, okay, fucking you can crash, but you gotta get up and get

on this flight. Okay, Well, and I have a sweet with a couch and everything, but I let them get in the bed. All right, you were a real nice the whole name. I'm trying to be friendly to mitigate damage this person or so I'm laying there and the person backed up on me. Now, I don't care who you are. I don't care if you're a man to my back up on you. As soon as they touched that dick, that dick gonna get action. So I got

up I said, fuck it, I got up. I ended up sucking this person, fucked him, went to sleep, got up, fucked him again, send him on his way. I thought, you got some good dick. You gotta guess out in now. That probably wasn't the best lenning. Yeah, you drank nineteen forty two. That's top shelf. Look he could have gave you smirna. I hate you. You on American wasn't one Spirit, wasn't Frontier, wasn't Allegiance. It was you know, good and you probably got a aut seat. I don't know he

didn't get first slaves, but um, and I sent you home. Well. This person then started trying to extort me, say if you don't give me money that I'm going to tell everybody you fucked me. So you know what I did.

I said, no problem, good luck with that. I blocked him, and I went to put on my best Valentino and I went to a restaurant with a bunch of white people, and I set up my phone saying and I said, this storytime, let me tell you how I fucked to shoot up this nigga out flew in last night and I went on or the other night and I went on to tell my story, and I was like, yeah, the nigga didn't even get a proper meal, but the nigga got hung arout, was fucking so I jacked him up,

put his nut in his mouth. I get that nigga. All types of protein got that energy. Because see, at the end of the day, I will never give anybody control over my narrative. I agree, but you try to extort me for some money because you got some dick. When was getting dick news? I never knew getting dick was news? That was that a thing? Dick? Well, I think people assume that you'd be like, you'd be embarrassed, right, Like people want to tell that story because they think

that you having a wild night would make you look bad. No, just as crazy, you say, is getting dick news? Yeah? Crazy, like crazy enough. We know that the clips, the stories that du Go viral is who's fucking who, who's dating home? Yeah? Like so yeah. Unfortunately, Digo viral. It was all over the internet, social media, Twitter. People were texting me and saying, oh my god, because the narrative he said was, you know, Jason Lee flew me out. You know, I'm a young nigga.

He tried to play the whole victim thing. No, you was a young whore who got online dick you wanted. But the thing about it is nowadays with the Internet, if you say something that makes somebody embarrassed, and if it keeps getting repeated enough, the narrative will change by the time it gets to you. It's a whole other thing. I was. I'm a twenty five year old nigga who wanted some dick. I got flown out. I'm a young

nigga who got flown out. I'm a nigga who was taking advantage of I'm a nigga who this person like it. What if you got online, yeah, to get some enough. Let me tell you something. Twenty five now now I would never date or twenty five year old, but you might get fucked year old is rental Kardi. I love it. I love good. It is not it hurts if you got bad grands. By the way, it's twenty six, I think seven. I do have a question if getting you

asked us is getting dick news. Have you are the Hollywood locked dms like sometimes so exposing where you're like this is too much? Do you have to like prove it first? Because I'm sure someone's like so and so fucked me. Yeah, but then my team, my team gets emails and and and dms all the time about you know, I slept with someone soon, So we honestly don't care,

Like if you like, getting dick to me is not news. Now, if you're getting dick for somebody who's married to a Kardashian, I may we may run that if we can verify it, you know what I mean. And sometimes y'all getting dick. Y'all getting dick that ain't even worth reporting, like you're thinking it's something worse. Trash dick stories get sent to us all the time, like you got that dick and you want the world to know, you better send this shit to dick. Yo. I'm gonna be honest with your

trash story. You don't know about dick. That's okay, dick yo. If y'all around ya report, there's nothing called dick ye Yes, no, they came back, bitch on it. Oh yes, let's go boy hall on. Oh dick y'all is on it. So dick YEA is a page and they just added pussy up too. But it's a place where you can literally and you do need to send in receipts and stuff. But it's a and it be gone viral on Twitter. Women send in who they've had sex with? Uh? Girl, they just had uh. And I'm not gonna say I'm sorry.

I see, I ain't gonna say who, but they why because they recently shared about it and it was like, ooh, bad timing. But no, up, that's what I said. See. I tried to say, Oh, I was reading mom. Oh wait, mall got a dick yo for you. No, we're not talking about it. I'll be honest. I wasn't going to bed. You said what I eat really good pussy. I suck

really good dick. I think the only thing they'd be like, damn, this bitch was clean, and I'd be like, oh, well, I'm also very cleaning clean when I'm with somebody that I really care. Oh, I'm a color. I'm affectionate. You you gotta if you walking through my house and you see me, you gotta put your tongue in my mouth. At least my chef. Let me say my chef. My chef is so funny. So I got the chef because

I wanted to stay healthy. You know, a lot of y'all that be having the surgery, I had to lose weight, y'all be getting fat again. That's because y'all really don't understand that the surgery was just to reset you. And even though you said you had the surgeony game way you're thick. There's that I've always been, yeah, but but see, there's a difference between having the surgery and staying thick, because I do feel like for those of us who have the surgery and still can look thick or look

healthy is important. Oh well, some people be having the surgery look like a pop balloon. Well, and that's the thing too. When when I've had the surgery for those of you don't know, of course, the gastric sleeve. Uh, when I got really small, like my smallest, I think I got down to like one forty eight. I didn't like that. I was like, I want to be one sick because you start to feel sick and look and

my friend, like my mom was even saying it. And that's the crazy thing too about like going from plus size to losing weight to possibly like gaining some back as well. It sucks because you realize how it doesn't matter the way you are someone's gonna have a problem with it, period, period. But then you developed body dys morphia then because we could talk. That's a whole other thing.

I mean, I have body just morphia now because I've let the social media comments for the first time every when I was three hundred twenty three pounds, I can't get fuck with social media said I was still fucking. I was still fucking. I was fucking. I was fucking. And I'd look at first of all, shout to all the niggas who was let me fucking three twenty three,

say the same thing. Shout out to y'all let me fucking two thirds, and shout out to all the niggas who didn't let me fuck because I used to trash them too. Fuck you, nigga, you ain't ship. And now when I look back, like damn, I I understand, I ain't that nigga. Now I'm rich, I'm cute, I'm still good, and I'm fit so and my fashion game is fired. No, But what we're talking about a minute, well, you you brought up the chef the so this is how my chef is shady? How many people will be joining us

for breakfast. I had to catch this sad one day, shout out to Chef Casey. He gonna posts, I'm sure I had to catch the shade. How many people are joining us for breakfast? You know how many people live in this house? It's only two in my two staffs, so there's four. But you're trying to insinuate because you know you maybe have met a few people. You had to catch the shade. How many people will be joining us from? What's your commun number? What would you prefer?

Would you prefer just one person or would you prefer to you know what? Um, I didn't even know if the numbers two. I don't know that. I don't know because I'm in therapy. Let me start by saying, I'm in therapy because I've made a lot of horrible decisions. Horror in therapy. Well, why do you think therapy needs to be because well, first of all, we all need

to be in therapy for different reasons. You know, right now, I'm I'm going right now, what I'm going through is And Charlottagne said this the other day when I callosed breakfast club. He said, you're you're you're useless if you can't be used, if you can't be used, you're useless. And when I thought about that, you know, you start going through you know why so many people want to be in your world? They want to use you, Like do they really want to be your friend? Like? What

is being friends with me? Especially in this business when you have influenced me, you have money, when you have cloud, you have access, when you have things that people want. In your mind, you're just you. But then you start to realize you're actually being you. So I went through that yesterday where like I wanted to just burn the whole Internet down, and I still do it. Maybe today

I might I don't know. I haven't decided. But but in therapy, the reason why I'm in therapy now is I'm trying to one become the person that I want to attract. Two, I want to start attracting people that are there for the right reasons. And then also I'm trying to discover like do I'm at an age now where I am exploring having a child this year? But I also want to know do I want to raise that child with one person? Do I want to I'm a very sexual person, so do I want to have

more than one person? Because I don't know that we're created to be with one person, you know, but you do you do want that person to share your journey with When you start making a lot of money and travel around the world, you want to create memories with a You want a person to join you on that journey. But do you want people to join you on the journey? Because I have enough space in my house where you know, they can have a room and then we can share a room together. I want to do that or we

want to do that, but I don't know. I'm figuring that out. Have you tried um? I was in a threatfule a few years ago on the show. Have you tried dating? Or I don't know how many partners you want to have? But have you try people? Well? I met somebody recently that I really liked and I was getting to know him, and I started the conversation with you know, like where where do you want to see this guy? Like would you be open to a third person? Oh? No,

not just just me and one person? And I'm like, well, I don't want to work for you for I love that you also just sat with an Eli chocolate. I think the conversations that we're having now about non traditional, non ethically non monogamous relationships are something that our parents and before them weren't able to have. I know a lot of people assume that you're greedy for wanting multiple people, but I love that you can come in and be

like monogamism for me. I don't know how many people I need, but one person I don't think would fully fulfill me. What does that look like? Then with with with day? Do you bring that out the gate? Do you wait until you see you want more with them? How soon do you bring up that you don't want a traditional Yeah, there's a couple of things. One I don't believe I was saying to a friend yesterday. I

do not believe in straight gay. I'm so sick of pronouncing at this point, he she day them this that another. You know, just be like be you do what you want to do. If it's safe and it's consensual and it feels right, do it out the gate. I try to have a few experiences. One we gotta fuck because I just gotta know if the sex is good, great, hold on, wait wait wait wait. If the sex is not good, I don't care if Jesus Christ brought you there with a stamp of approval for me to get

in heaven. I got fuck with you now, Nick, I'm gona help. I'm I'm not going to fuck. I'm not going to be able to be with somebody. The sexual experience it's not good. That's wait, are you a first time I know I'm a vibe I'm a vibe person like, so if the vibe feels right like the one, let me just say this real U, because I don't want to listen the person that I said I was interested in. He told me out the gate, I'm not gonna have

sex with you, which is what I like. At first, He's I'm not gonna have sex because I want to know that you really want to be with me, and I was that was he caught me at a moment where I was like, oh, well, I actually respect that you're respecting yourself. So like I was hanging out and getting on but we're culling and he all up on me and I'm like, oh my god. And so he wanted me to wait, and I said to him like I need to know, like, okay, so I'm gonna wait.

But once we fuck, you know all that is it just gonna be me And you are like are you opening through Oh no, no, we can never be in a vise. I said, well, who's to say we can't, like once we developed a strong foundation for a year or so, why can't we invite anybody else in? Or why can't we have fun? And he was just very focused on his traditional vice. Of course, he didn't work out.

So we had a conversation and it was the Twitter had an unpopular opinion, you know, three going on, and one of the opinions was waiting for sex makes it better? And I said to Mandy, like, what was it? Now? I was the explanation for that? Well, here's the thing, right, as someone that's had one night stands, who's you know, maybe fun, first day, third day, whatever. I have noticed the more I build a connection with someone, the better the sex is out of the gate. Also, I do

really think any way define build a connection now? Okay, I think that one you provide with someone the first night and have chemistry, but you're not building connection because connection to me is a semi investment with that person. When I am maybe i'll say about two dates in then I'm like, you know, following up with maybe a project you had going on? Oh, hey, did you get your script in what's going on with this, and now

we're a little more connected and close. Once I have a better connection, then I'm not saying I'm already not fucking out the gate if I want to, but I do think waiting a little bit does build for stronger relationship. If we fuck and you text me and say, how's Rihanna Nigga, I'm never calling you back. My projects, my business, my jokes on while and now my scripts all that

that was not what we signed up to. Fuck. I don't have a sexual experience with somebody and treat them in a disrespectful way, no matter who they are, no matter what if it's a one night stand, if it's a week stand, if it's a year, a month, whatever everybody feels. I try to make sure everybody feels valuable

because we're sharing that connection. However, I don't want somebody to believe that because we had sex, now you got the right to be all of my business, or that we have a relationship beyond what that was, because sometimes I feel like I've had people who because I will never use my platform or my access for my relationship, for my money to get sex, like oh, you know, why I'll put you on. I don't do that because

weird niggas in the industry do that ship. But I have had niggas come to me to connect with me, and they use sex to build the connection to get to the support they want. And I'm not with that weird. That's tough, you know what I mean. But the average person, when I was saying, like yours is different because showing an interest in someone's work and passions is showing them

respect with yours. It's difficult because it's like industry people and maybe most people listening to this don't fit that bill. But how do you then know if someone is using

your hunt You don't. I mean, if you're in my house, it could be um Tiffany Hattrish walks in to talk about something, or the White House calls, or somebody's calling because Kim Kardashian did this or that happened, or an interview is getting set up, or I'm screaming about something, and now you in my house as somebody that I just want to fuck. But now you all up in the mix want to talk about what Biden is doing like we're not about to do so. I'm very mindful

of the environment that I'm creating with the people. But you know what you don't know, and you know if you're in LA and especially working with Ken, you know, like I'm in a place right now where I'm totally evaluating, like why why are you in my life? Why are you on my phone? Why am I following you? I just said, I cut off this little this young nigan. I'm really beautiful, big old dick girl. I did. But I cut up on dick. Yelp too, He's not I'm

about to go download. Yeah he's not. Um. But literally, I was having that conversation with my friend, like being of a relationship where I felt like I've received so much in terms of affection, acts of service, the things that made me feel fulfilled, just fucking somebody that didn't really feel I felt like do anything to me. I

was like, what am I doing this for? I also am also in therapy, so there's a lot of things that trigger into a place that I was in my twenties where I was having sex with no emotions or transactionally that I like regret and feel shame about now. So a part of me, what I'm do you regret it? Oh? I mean I don't regret being able to pay my bills, but through therapy and through a project that we're working on,

there's a lot of things. Even on this show, listening back and reliving some of my stories, I do have to be like, wow, my mind was in a completely different space than it was in and there is some There is shame in a lot of the things that I did sexually out of the means of survival, only because now I have the option to choose who I sleep with, who I entertain, who I give my body to, even even money. The way I look at it now,

I was like, oh, I was a cheap bitch. O. We we should expound on that as people that are making money now can gravel where we want to buy what we want. Are there ever times where you're just kind of like someone tricking on me? And I like whether it be a nice you know, you know what I learned, you know when they were talking about like

what's your um, what's what's your what your love language? Yes, my love language is and probably because when I grew up, I really didn't have anybody making sure I was good. I make sure they're good, you know what I mean? Like I told the story recently where um I was talking to this guy, met him in Columbia, flew him out because I really want to get and I thought

this was the one. Oh this I was. I brought him to I had an Easter dinner and and introduced him to all my friends and was like, this is the one. Hey, one one was not the one? Why not nothing? Because the next time I saw one, I flew him to Dubai because I was going to buy. I'm like, yeah, whyn't you flay to bay and meet me whatever, meat me mimami were gonna get him playing god to buy and flew him in and he went

silent when he landed for like five hours. Come to find out he was accosted by the TSA people, not that you know, the people immigration whatever, because he had pictures of cocaine in his phone and all this to that, which I didn't know about, and uh and I don't fuck around with that shit. This is not my thing. And so when he finally got out of you know, I was like frustrated because I'm very much like, let's stay on schedule type person when I took it. So

we get to the airport. On the way the airport. I'm like, do you have your your COVID tests, your PCR. Oh no, I don't need PCR. I travel the world, It's what I do. He argued me down to go to Dubai. I've been there six times this year. You need to have PCR. We get to the airport, you don't have a PCR. Long short of short. They don't let him on the flight. We miss our flight. Wow, first class tickets called sixteen grand, I mean business classics

called sixteen grand. My assistance in flight to Dubai already, So now to reschedule the flight, I don't even know how to do that. Thank god he had WiFi. So I'm trying to now find a way to get there's no more flights, trying to find a way to get to New York, to get on the flight because I have two more friends flying from New York. So I called him, find a jet to get to New York. That's twenty thousand. Can't find a jet. Find two flights, first thing in the morning, that lands at nine thirty,

but the next flight is at eleven am. So we make the flight along. Story short. He ruined everything, ruining all the energy, and we don't talk anymore. But you brought one up by name up, yeah, I'm followed him, he following yore. So then let's get into because you're dropping all say something that don't regret anything. The reason why right now I'm talking very freely, and they're gonna be people who say, you know, who would have fucked that fat nigga? Or I wouldn't fuck the nigga now,

or that niggas I don't care about. I don't subscribe to none of that. But the reason why I tell the stories is because I've come a long way and the fact that we're black or people of color and therapy and we're talking very openly about decisions that we made that we regret. I think there's a lot of people watching, even though they're watching in judgment, who are making horrible decisions themselves, can see like yo, I can be honest and not feel afraid of that one I

tell another horrible decsion masons. I'm here in New York. I moved to New York and when I live in LA I lived at the W So I said, when I moved to New York, I'm like, I want to move to the hood. I want to move where No, no, no, back then it wasn't. This was literally right when now it's trash, but back then it wasn't. And I said, I want to move to New York and I want to live wherever there are Dominicans. So I moved to Washington Heights one seventy seven and four Washington. We just

we just talked about Dominican niggas. Literally, that's because I had met a Dominican somewhere, and I think in Rhode Island. I was like, what are you like? I never saw y'all before. Oh and Kate Verdiens all y'all niggas could beamn. No, actually don't, I'm your husband? No you think so? Yeah, I would want to get married for the wedding because you know pictures. You know what's crazy My first day that about Indian weddings. She just want to marry Indians

just so she can have an Indian girl. When the LA comes out, I ain't gonna hold you hilarious. It's a ga. So I moved to the to Washington Heights and I fell in love with the whole block. The old block is popping right, and uh, I ended up so caught up in these Dominicans that this was way before loving him. But this is way before a Hollywood like. I would be very clear, this before I had any ambition to be an entertainment. I've found myself fucking a

Dominican in an abandoned department. That's when I knew I hit an all time low. I don't know if that's a low. Okay, wait, there are mattress on the flow where y'all abandon apartment? So was there furniture? Ah? No, it was what one? How did you know there was in the bandon department? And too? How did we end up in an abandon apart and why are we in a trip house? So that's what I knew. I had an all time low. Have you ever fucked in a trip house? I told you I don't like good guys.

Oh you know that's my fam don't know. I know too many of my niggas make legal money. I ain't gotta deal with that. See, but it's not as gird of mine. The gun under the pillow is really I told you, see what I mean? No, I told you I was just in Atlanta hanging out with my friends. And the fact that all my friends was carrying I was like, you know what I sound like. I live at the w in Hollywood. Now that's what I got. Got guns, I gotta I got a shotgun on the

side of my bed. I have a nine millimeter on my nights and I have an Air fifteen land against it. I don't play, but you have to have gall in your house. It's something that's which I ain't gonna hold you. Sometimes I'll be sleeping looking at the ship, like, who would I do? Someone busting his house you don't like, And then be like, and the way my house is built, like it's gonna take you time to get to me. So like, no, no, no, you know so crazy. People

actually be trying to come to my house. I had somebody come to my group of people came to my house one day. I heard noise outside. I look outside and it's like they're walking up to the door. So my house is this four levels, so I'm on the third level. I walk on the background out. It was a TMZ tour. I walked out. I walked out with an Air fifteen. I turned a little red light on and I put it right on a motherfucking ass. I said,

what what what youre doing? They start at a gun, they start running, I would shoot this whole block up. I would like, all you know, that's key for are crazy ass, that's audacious. Bandy and I had a weird situation too, where we had to like kind of just you know, she changed her name at the hotel and shit like that. And I think about it all the time when I walk my dog and I'm in West Hollywood, I'll be thinking I'm safe. No, you have to think. I don't go to grocery stores. I don't go to

gas stations. I don't go to banks. Really, um, I don't go to anywhere I gotta. I don't sit in restaurants as much. Oh no, no, not in LA not really anywhere. I mean there's some restaurants like I'll go to Ava Damn damn more ship. Look, they got either in New York now, but you know there's one thing. There's someplace, but there's really no safe place anymore. I don't think the avandoned house was that crazy. I wanted to become harder than hit. Okay, I got one more stup.

I think I ever told this one. Back in the day before entertainment, before all of that. Um, I used to work for a union and we would have you know, um conferences and stuff. And we were working with Jesse Jackson Rambo Push Coalition and they have this annual thing in Chicago. I had never been a life of goddamn it. I was like, I can tell you when I'm working for too. But that's the story. Wow three years that

was bullshit. No, but I found myself going to this conference and I have a phobia that I don't even know if I've ever talked about. But I can't share the room with people like I can't be paired up with people I don't like being in the room with, especially I don't know you. Because and when you work for a union, sometimes we'll send your way on conferences. They'll put you in a room to share with a co worker. I don't even if we work together, know each other, we friends that were I don't want to

I need my space. I don't like that whatever. So they put me that I go to this conference. They put me in a room with a pastor. This fucking nigga's praying and shit, you know, like no, no, I understand, no, he's like he's so I walk in, you know, my gas and the fucking pastors there and he gets on his knees and he starts praying and im and I'm standing there. No, he's bibles laid on the bed. He literally looked like Marl Luther King. He got on his

knees and he started praying right, and so I'm standing there. No, I'm standing there like like nigga. This is a long ass prayer. Right. So he stops praying. He's like, how you doing, young man. I'm like, I'm doing great, sir, how are you doing doing fine? So? Okay, Uh, how often do you pray? Well? You know, I pray all throughout the day because the Good Lord. I understand. I understand. But um, I'm I'm a heathen. I'm in Chicago. These niggas is out here. I'm about to go to the game.

I don't tell I'm going to get club. So I go to the gay club and I am having a great time. I have a friend, I had a frend of Chicago and uh, long story, sure we're having a great time. We end up getting sucked up and I fucked him behind the club on a cardboard box. This is how pathetically addicted to being a horrid It's a horrible decision. First of all, the way these knees are built at forty five, I ain't getting ground. I ain't even getting on carpet at this point, or you know

what I mean. Like and first of all, I don't even get all my knees like that. But I'm still a good time. So yeah. So anyway, I come back from fucking this nigga behind the club in Chicago, on the ground on a cardboard box, and I still feel great about myself, have high self, the same confidence the world. And I'm going home. But there's a pastor there, right, So I come back. I walk in. The nigga is sitting up waiting for me to pray, and I said to him, and I looked him dead in the space,

and I said, no disrespect. I've been drinking. I just fucked somebody behind the club. I ain't about to sit here. That nigga got up all his ship, got the fuck out there. He was like this, He made a whole thing. So now here comes Jesse Jackson, people you know, the next day, judging me and shit, Now, ain't y'all pastors? Because the Lord that I knew took wars in Look at you that's what he did. He did. The Bible

says no one sin is greater than another sin. So if you lied about your weight on your DNV license and I fucked somebody I just met behind the club, nigga, who's going ahead? We both going here apparently because so so it's sort of like, you know, I saw early on that you know, sometimes the people, even the people in the church, they made horrible decision in judging us sinners. But now you know, I don't know where that that

pastor is now, but that nigga. I ain't never seen a nigga get up and get his ship so fast and get out of there. I can't. I just imagine the Bible being fumbled. Oh, he was waiting up for me to pray, and soon I walked in. He's sitting there, like what is you sitting up? And like sitting and it's probably like three and the more he is sitting three am, he is sitting up and I'm waiting and I and I said, and I see him and I'm like, what's up? He like, Yo, I've just been waiting for

you to pray. I sitting on nigga now, and I knew I'm about to let you. I'm about to give you something to go pray about that, run to your prayer closet. When you said I don't get on my knees like that, do you mean you're not a giver or you just no? I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean you know I'm gonna do whatever the situation calls for. I mean, I fucked in showers, bathtubs. I mean I've done I've I've lived a life, I've done it, and I still will do it because I'm a pleaser,

so I want to please the person I'm with. I'm just saying I'm not like I'm not just gonna be on my knees, uh, sucking dick and doing all types of shit just to be doing it. Have I done it? Will I do? Of course? Of course? Am I receiver? Or what are you asking me if I'm the top of a bottom? No? No, no, ask a direct question. I want to know, like are you are you a giver? Because when you said I don't give a giver of what? Sucking dick? Yeah, of course, but but sucking dick or

get my dick sucked? That's I mean, yeah, of course, I mean I think any if you are sexual, woman or man, and you don't suck dick, you're trash. You do give me top energy bottom for love. No, really, and I'll tell you why I won't let anybody fuck me in It's not. It's not because I'm afraid to get fucked or I think getting fucked hurts or whatever may be a good time. I mean, we all know where, we all know where or a man's m G spot

is and his wrecking we know that. So and I see the pleasure that I've given to a lot of people, and I know I know where it is. I know where the promised land is on a man. Um. Let's be clear. It's only because if you fucked me and you go and tell somebody you fucked me the way that people be saying, like, yo, I fucked her, I put my all my dicking. I saw online yesterday this man was online talking to people and he put his phone in his pocket and went and fucked a girl

and let everybody hear it. I felt like that was such a violation. I was so disrespectful, And I just feel like your private intimate moment should be valued at a place where you don't hurt the other person. I've never fucked somebody and been like yo, yo yo, I fucked nig now the nigga. I told y'all that try to extore me for money and all that. Y'all told that story because he tried me. So since he wanted to put it out there, I just put it my tea out there with myself. But I don't I prob

myself in protecting people's privacy. Um yeah, I don't think I could handle the disrespect of somebody say but what does love mean? I've been in love and I've fell out of love. I mean, you you're talking to having children, so marriage maybe having the big way, Maybe that'll be the day. But I do think vulnerability, most of my friends being vulnerable don't mean you got to open up your asshole. It doesn't. I think that your response to it seems like it's a vulnerable. No, no, no, I'm

all for being vulnerable. I recently had somebody going in do an interview where they talked about as fucking, which again I don't understand what that is, a cloud or whatever, and they said somebody like, yeah, Jason wanted me to put my fingers in his ass. I called, I said listen, I'm not ashamed if I want, if I wanted somebody put their finger in my ass, I'm not ashamed of that. However, I know that in forty five years, I've never asked anybody to put their fingers in my ass. Well, you

were drunk, I said. Well, if I was drunk and you put your fingers in my ass, that means you took advantage of me while I was passed out. And that's a conversation I'm willing to have. I'm willing to I'm but I'm willing to have that with the police, with the Internet, with you. So what happened? Okay, So okay, great. Just want to be very clear because if you try to use me for Cloud, if you try to expose our personal having intimate moments for Cloud, that's the shit

I can't handle. And that's why I'm very careful about the individual of that. Bobby Lights made me scared of that watching that show. Really executive produce that show, I know I was. I was such a fan of watching it. I really enjoyed it. I loved that. You know, there weren't any like I'm scared to be gay stories. I kind of thought somebody would have that especially, um was

it so was the same soul? Oh so yeah? So never really but so if you go to this Twitter, I mean, but just being happy about being who they are. That was great to see. But one day all talk I watched all of them are only fans and Twitter, and I was like, this is ruining for me. I don't want to hear y'all talk. Let me just see bigger as Dixie. But I'm gonna tell you who's fumbled the bag. I told them we need to do a charm school with that whole cast and bring it more

like and let me host that shit. I would have hosted it. I mean, we're still talking. But that cast was a shot. It was a good cast, but only because I knew half of them and rolland Ray sitting on the other. But Hot Will I watched it every night. I watched it twice every nigga they came over to. I was like, some watch my show well. And when I told how Hot Wills to roll out, the whole wheelchair community got said rollout, nigga, bitch shell me again

and they all said roll out. She said, that's we had a guest on here with a wheelchair hold on that whole tried me. She did he said I couldn't suck it. I said, bit, Y'll roll you out of here. But but I still liked her. But no, that Bobby lights being. I mean just watching people who loved on him in one moment and then turn on him. I was so disgussed. You know, when you do like loving hip, are you do reality shows? You see how sometimes it

feels scripted or it's that show was not scripted. I literally walked through the house every day like, hey, how are you doing. I would come to set every day. First of all, I was an executive producer, like I was gonna be a passive executivedce just put my name on in like you know, cast whatever. But once I met the guys and I saw how great they were. I would come to set with bottles of nineteen forty two and I'd be like, what's going on? And they'd

be like, Yo, that motherfucker it was over. There was on Jack. We don't like looking at Jack, Like what about them? That motherfucker was sucking his dick my girlfriend away? And do you know what I did? Watch the X Room? Did you hear I was gas lighting them all day? And as soon as them cameras came on, they was beating each other ass. Shout out to that cash. Y'all did a great They were great. They were who impressed you the most on it? On that show? You know what,

I think Bobby's a star. I think rolland raised the star brought rolland Raider to Zeus. They impressed in terms of the cast. Um no, I mean, guess they're part of the cast. Bobby impressed me too. I wasn't all of them all they all did, but Bobby was great and I felt like I loved seeing him get emotional and seeing him cry like that to me made it feel real because he went in really wanting to be in love and he wanted to find out. Now the reunion was a hot ass man. Because of that reunion,

I don't plan on most anymore real. That's just not I'm good like. I don't know how you weren't like it. That was crazy. I was watching it. It was nothing but fight like. It was pausing and fighting and it was a lot. That was the best show Zeus had. But Jocelyn, I guess it takes the cake, but it was the best show. Well. I felt like they were fighting for something. They were fighting for love, and they

literally were fighting for love. Dmitri was there, the white boy who Dmitri the day I met, the first day I got there. Off camera, he says, oh, I know who you are. I know who you are. I saw you on a flight before you were in Coach. I said, first of all, And there's no coach shaming going on here, right but you but on Jet Blue. I've never flown Coach. I've only flown Mint, so that's not true. I guess he was a flight attendant. He was trying to read

me off camera. I said, let me tell you something. I'm not a part of this cast. The security ain't gonna hold me back. So you watch him out like I'm really about all that action you want. And so then the whole cast turned on him. Right then, that's how it started. They were like, first of all, I don't disrespect like because they the cast gave me a lot of respect. Don't know, because it was a black show as a white dude, Dame Dimitri. They all called

him Demetrius, but I called him Demitrius. You. I thought this was that show, and you also, being in therapy and wanting love, would you know people for love you don't even they don't even finish that statement, do not because words have power in the manifestation. What happened. No, they've proach you about doing the day and show. I said to Zeus, first thing you're gonna do is bring

a midget, and everybody knows, I'm afraid. I'm afraid. Listen, we're not bleeping that shitt y'all I had imagined on my show once I said, hop up here, let's talk whatever, here's the deal, here's the here's the deal. You're going to offend somebody, okay, always, so just fuck it, you know whatever, Get your little ass in here and listen to what I'm saying. Okay, No, if I date, what they're gonna do is they're gonna find all the people that I do not want a day and I got

to go on a date with it. But you should, Bobby help you because you got we're gonna what we're gonna work like, we gonna stop it. I'm gonna bring a high chair now here we are. No. And then now my whole brand, Yeah that my whole brands sucked up because I didn't got into it. What I mention this person. This person hit my knees and shit, and I'm trying to explain no, no, no, so no, I won't do to give you ask and up um, I like to lay down and get my dick. You like

to lay down? Yeah? I like that. I had Okay, I'm in therapy, but I'm on a show. Horrible decision. Yeah, this is work. I meant somebody that I knew and whatever we had a situation ship or whatever. And I remember one time I was on a conference call doing some Kanye business and I'm like, and no, it won't even come. It was zoom, but I was on my phone, but I was calmed down. This motherfucker's sitting there talking to me. Yo, nigga need me. I'm like, yo, I'm

wanna call it. Motherfucking out started sucking one did. That was the best conference call I ever had, the best and that was hot. But you know that is I'm all about the moment, the vibe. And you know there's people that I will be interested in that I may want to be oral with you, or I may not want to be oral with you. I may want to fuck, but I may not want to be oral. I mayn't want to cuddle, not fucker, do nothing. It's a vibe

for me. If the vibe ain't there. Now, if I find a vibe that's just passion is just on, like just crazy. And I did meet somebody once and do buy that. I mean the passion was crazy. Um. Yeah, then you know we get into it. You're gonna suck me though, because you're going decision to tell people. We don't like exposing I don't like the exposing of people. I think it's corny for everybody. Really. Yeah, we have nicknam inviting people on to me, Like there's that clip

of Megan James recently with the young jock thing. Yeah, and I really didn't like seeing it because I'm like, you brought him into your home, your house, you know what I'm saying. She said something like how you stayed relevant all these years of one hit? And she's like, he said, well, I have a lot of hits. She goes, we'll name him or let's let's hear about him. Yeah, and it just kind of fun I'm back and forth. Yeah, they went back and forth on on Twitter, I think,

and then she brought him funny Marco. Um, but why bring people on to shit on them? Now, don't get me wrong. If you have a situation that's out, maybe you know you're gonna talk about it in a moment cool, you know, like Black China with her mother. How can you not talk about that? But I think when people blatantly bring someone on an interview to have this gotcha moment, yeah, I don't like that. That really that recently happened to me. I don't know when is this coming out next? Uh?

In two weeks? Okay? So um, they there's a there's a platform that shared with me that they're putting me on their most influential list, which great, okay, but but I respect them so much that whatever they want to do an interview with Maul, do it. You know. Let's sure like we built a relationship. Now you want to Okay, I'm gonna come. I'm suport you come on my ship. I'm all about that. That's why I love breakfast Club,

drink Champs, whatever. But I'm very selective. I don't just be doing anything because there are some people who don't have talent. The only talent they have will be to set you up and get that moment. And I I've had to happen to me a couple of times where I come in saying, yeah, ask whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that you tell me you want to interview me for one thing and then flip it around

and do. And that happened. That happened to me recently where they were asking me, you know, what do you think about hip hop media covering the Republican Party and the conservative movement? And I said, okay, I'll give you my input on that. But then they started digging into Kanye this and this and this and this, and it became something and questioning why I make decisions. I said, I said, hold on. First of all, because I didn't

know the reporter. I was off camera recording the conversation because I'm always have my receipt in case you try to edit your shit, I would have mine. Wow. So I'm feeling it. So the person says, you know what, let me just stop the interview, let me stop the recording and let's talk. I said, no, keep recording, because I'm recording. And I said, let me be very clear. You dealing with the King Kong of the fucking Internet.

Not only will I find where you live and find you, but I will make sure that everybody in my world knows that you're piece of shit. Don't play with me. Now, you only talked about this here your pre approved questions. Do that, but don't start playing anyway in an interview.

Didn't come out and probably won't come out. But but I say all that to say, like those gotcha moments, that's why I think a lot of hip hop media or black people in media get the bad rap that we're somewhere trying to be this evil thing when really, no, we should be the trusted space that all black people or people of color in the world of entertainment come to. I agree, Yeah, I agree. Does she not work with you though? Oh, Megan No. I saw her on a

red carpet and she was there. It seemed on behalf of I think the show either has the title Hollywood or that's it's it's yeah, Hollywood group Chat. But I think she was on a She was on a red carpet and someone asked, but where's Jason. I saw a clip where she was maybe they confused her name with jar Yeah, they would ask it for you on the red carpet and she posted the clip. Yeah, it's been nice to see Hollywood unlocked on carpets. I think y'all came to you people. Premier. Oh yeah, oh shout out

you people. Was Kenya's Yeah, can you put me in a fucking I'm not gonna ask her. I saw Kenya ny bar embarrass was at um Charlemagne's Hell of a Week the day I was. He was on the episode. I was, I was on the episode before, so I saw him going. I wanted to meet him. But I've never, like formerly said I respect this movement. I just saw um Yashihiti the last weeks ago, who I love and I didn't even know she knew who I was. But I'm a fan of hers. But no, Kenya, you people,

you need to do something with me. I'm honest with you. If you ever told him that, it's like I'm telling I'm telling you right now, take this clip, call me anything you need. I can. I'm not a trained actor, but if you saying your job is to be a messy motherfucker up. But no, I respect what he's been with doing you people. I love him, including people in there like it was a It was filming a year ago, and so we would sometimes hear about it at work. But when I finally got to see it and everybody

that popped out. It was so much fun, Like just to know that Kenya Bridge is the gap. You know what I'm saying. Um, one of our friends of the show who doesn't show with Charlotage, Andrew Schultz, we were having lunch and he's like, yo, put me in you people talk to ken y'all do whatever you want. I'm sitting here like, damn, don't want some money what they guy to do? And Kenya loves his work, And I think that's the cool thing is he's like they didn't

know each other. Keny didn't know Andrew, Andrew don know Keny, and he's like, fuck it, the internet loves you. Niggas loved me, like, let's do it together. And he had the one of the funniest part of you people talking about storming in the capital. And I think that what's cool about Kenya, much like Issa including pieces of pop culture in our media, in our movies. Even though white people loved you people, maybe they didn't realize young Miami's

Young Miami. Well, Esa is not gonna do it because her publicists are shit, That's what And you know the crazy part is, Um, you know, I love you'sa I think he'sa. Have you've met her before, right, Yeah, but she's got she's so beautiful, right, she's got, she's she's she's she's beautiful online. But when you meet her, like her skin beautiful as fucked and I love how and she's like pro black as fucked right, putting on black as fuck. So we've always wanted to celebrate her at

Hollywood or not. We want to have her on her show. She never would come on and then come to find out her her publicist was just a blocking ass hate and as motherfucker. But you know that's the new trojan horse, the black publicist, the black executive, the black uh manager who gate keeps people from the culture, which's so crazy because they believe and I think niggas just inherently have the slave mentality or until the white man, until mainstream validation,

as we haven't made it. Well. You know the sad part about that is if you're a person curating and artist or an athlete's career and you're telling that the only way they'd be seen and to be honest, for E Online to talk about them, or for Vogue or GQ to write about them or whatever, and you forget that fall Alert, shade Room, Hollywood Unlocked, horrible decisions, breakfast club, drink Chams. I even throw to Joe Buddark whatever that's fair,

you know whatever, Black media. But if you don't tell them, like Queen Latifa told me, she said, get black people behind you and take them on a journey and never forget them. Don't never get over there with those other folks and forget where you started to take. Bring them along for the journey. So that's what I've been doing.

And I feel like there's this thing now where at first it was white folks keeping black folks from me, but now it's black folks keeping I don't think it's that they're keeping it's that black posts are convinced that there's a crossover that we won't receive if we are supporting each other. They think that if I don't, hey like, people don't know me in this space, so I have to do the GQ. Oh no, no, they believe that if you go over the Jason, he's gonna be messy.

Well no, if you're in a public fight with somebody, Jason's gonna ask you what the people want to hear, and he's gonna do it in a way that's respectful. You're gonna nobody's ever left my show and said, oh my, like I had Laverne Cox come on and break down time my suicide things, and she said, I never thought I'd be crying on the Jason Lee show. Well because she thought she was gonna come on just Kiki the whole way through. We'll get to the key, key and

the games and all that. But I want to have real conversations with people, and but but they've been but but black media has been villainized to a place where white people have done a great job and telling black celebrities, I'm gonna make you real famous and I'm gonna make you real successful, and we're gonna have these elevated conversations when you can have elevated conversation with me, which I

will see celebrities on. Really we try not to. Yeah, And before I do want to give your flowers because the last time we spoke it was right before your showy dropped. It is phenomenal. Thank you, you were a wonderful job and questions you're asking of course top tier guests as well. Thank you. But seeing you hold the blog space and do all that. Seeing you have the Hollywood Unlock radio show podcast. You were with Fox, so you did all that. Seeing you on your own space,

you were doing a phenomenal, thank you, phenomenal job. And I love that people are able to see you in that light now, Yeah, like you just being yourself and you having conversations with the likes of people that not many other people are able to sit down and have those conversations with. Yeah, like, it's just it's just it's wonderful. One. I appreciate that. And I'm learning to be comfortable with receiving flowers because I used to not want to receive them.

But I have worked my ass off to get to a place where I appreciate that. You know, I had recently, I had coffee with the Vice President, right, so I've been building with her. Went to our house during the Christmas party. And when you go to the White House, you wait in this line to take your photo. I waited in the line, and when I got there, so oh, oh my god, so good to see you. I'm so proud of all the things you're doing. And you know

your your voice matters, and your influence matters. And I looked her dead in her face, and I said, Madam Vice President, why is your messaging not connecting with the people, because I don't really know what you're doing unless I'm looking at her Instagram. And she stopped the line and we had a moment, and I said, I want to help you because as a black woman, first black vice president, for whatever reason, it's just the work that I see or have learned that you all are doing it is

not landing with the people. And so she said, you know what, like she I could see in her eyes and actually like connected that somebody actually cared about her as a human being. So she came out. Her people came out and said we'd like to follow up and whateverever, so long as you're short. They called me and said, we'd like to meet with you in La. It's okay.

So I called Angie from the Shade Room, call it neighborhood talk, James de Boza, Foxhole, and shann a spiritual word, and I said, we all need to go in together because we're stronger together. It's not all about me. I want her to see that all of us collectively talk

to millions of people. But in that moment, I was sitting there But in that moment when I was sitting there, I was like, I was proud of myself because I said the person that people have said I am and the person that I've played into because once they saw who I was and said who I was, I played the funk out of that role. Well, you says, let me give you the villain, let me give you the savage,

let me give you the don't care. And sometimes I would be like, damn, Like, I know I went too hard, but I'm not gonna apologize though, but I know I'm to her, And I said, you know, I'm sitting out with the second most powerful person the world, who sees my influence and who values my voice. But I also I'm humble enough to share that with other people. And and and I think that's just too to the heart

of who I am as a person. And now what I'm learning also in therapy is to start being more vulnerable and sharing those sides so people can get the totality of who I am, you know. But still they're gonna judge and say whatever they're gonna say, you know. And um, but yeah, with the guests, I'm on right now and I'm and I'm actually scheduling time with the Vice president to get her on the show. Oh well, p'ama, you say you come in, Adam put it out there

to make a horrible decision. I want to see more. But that's the thing I said here, I said to see you in person, And like as soon as I walk in, I don't think I I walk in to meet to meet the vice president. When you're meeting the vice president president, they shut down everything. They shut down the escalator so that splayers were moving until she got there. Then all of a sudden that stopped. Stop. They pipe draped the room. There's a curtain like there's there's secret

service everywhere. So it's a very control environment. So now I'm like, damn, like nigging my taxes, but everything I want to get about this motherfucker, you know what I mean. They won't let my assist in. I got my phone, like was it, you know? And so I walked in. I got I brought her some of my books because I wanted to read my book because I think it's important as I learned her story and she know my story, like you own the plane Air Force too, you got

time when you fly in the Africa. Read that motherfucker. I know who you talk to. So I walk in with my books in my coffee and I'm like, hi, Hi, my invest president. And I go to sit it down in my coffee spills all over the table. Oh, and I'm like this some this some embarrassing ass shit, and so she starts to clean it up. I'm like, She's like, no, you don't, we got and so she starts to like clean up whatever. So they clean it up, and I'm looking at it and I go, do I shake your

hand and give you a hug. She goes give me a hug, and I get her a hug. She's cool. But I said, why don't we get to see that. That's a great story. I love seeing powerful people do something. She was like, she was like, I said, And so Angie from the share room said, when I was at a party, you were, you were, you were dancing with the djo hair was sweating out, and I wanted to fill them even put that because if I would have put that out, people have been like, look at Kamala,

you know. And she said, I wish you would have done that. She said, well, your people wouldn't let me do it. But that's the thing she's in a bubble of an ecosystem who are trying to protect her, protect her and keep her certain way. When black folks, we just want to see Auntie Kamala so we can support you and get behind you, know what I mean? We did, Yeah, but thank you for that. I appreciate that because it's we're being very intentional with the conversation. Rights. It's wont

to fi from second Dick to the president. Oh but I'm still gonna suck a dick. I know that's right. Everyone knows Jason where they can follow you, where they can support you, and all like the judgment coming from behind the camera though the whole time he gonna even get his dick suck. So what we stopped. We got to normalize the ship that we all be doing that People like I can't believe he said gonna get his dick, So you sunk it? Didn't watching this show right now?

You were watching the Jason Lee Shwan Revolt every Tuesday, um every Tuesday night at temp him East a certain times. And the Jason Lee podcast is getting ready to launch next month. So for all of you that have fallen in love with this new, improved, elevated cappuccino sipping Jason. The tea is so fucking pipeing het and I've been going through it draws because I ain't been able to get it out. So once that podcast go, y'all gonna be like, oh, he back to the same. Oh, I'm

not changing for money or the industry. We need something after Wendy exactly exactly. So, yeah, the tea is coming on Jason Podcast. I'm sad about that. Well, thank you

so much for joining us. Of course, here I told Mandy I was not coming on this show until I got all my contracts out the way because look at look can you imagine I'm over at Revolte like I'd like to be on the network, But I was fucking somebody behind Roscoe and Waffles in Chicago and told that, and told that Martin Luther King looking past and get your ass to fuck up and go get your Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you for joining us, y'all. Y'all make sure y'all

check us out on Patreon. That's where you can support us. Patreon dot com. Backslash Horrible Decisions. We're leaving you with a five minute bonus clip. Also, if you want to turn up with us this month April twenty second, we are in Atlanta for the Black Effect Best the Boat at Pullman Yards. So that's April twenty second. That's a Saturday. Uh, come and check in, come see us. Get your tickets now at Black Effect dot com. Um, we're gonna be there with eighty five South all of your favorite pods

on the Black Effect Network. So go ahead and get your tickets now and all the good things you got anything else to say, we go, We all y'all, Thank y'all, my gummy kids. So yeah, another episode of our Decisions and abortions. I know doesn't want to allow black history African America. So that wasn't even going on at the time that I meet her, and I got into it, but I replied to her and I said, Zoe, all of the women you work with and service and are

you serious and shoot? And I said, think about it, like we're literally talking about kids that like he wants to not like he was talking about anti abortion laws. And I was like, like, you think this is okay for unsafe abortions even down to women getting raped, And she was like, this is not something that concerns me. Everyday. Taxes do equal rights with to Da Da Da Da, and I was like, wow, my nigga, like that ship was really wild because Zoe isn't I believe she let

me ask you a question. Um, Like, we talked about some of your friends supporting Trump. Now Trump has a celebrity about him, so I still love celebrity apprentice to this day. So I get even the draw to him to some people. It wasn't all my friends you talk about, Anthony, I mean whatever, Well, there's been conversations where you said you sat at tables and you realize that people were Republican and supported him as well. Oh yeah yeah, like dinners and ship. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I do want

to know. I feel like the sensis is so dangerous. Could you be friends or even acquaintances with someone who supports somebody like no? And you know what's interesting. Anthony and I did have a conversation about him before and we were something about him came up and he was like, bro, He's like, you know, he's like the Trump shit, and he's like he's like for me, he was like, you know,

I'm not paying taxes all that. He's very like old school Puerto Rican New York, you know, and he was like, but what we're starting to see with the governors, he's like the radical shit. He's like, absolutely not, And he said I never thought Trump was a radical guy. And I was like, that's a weird thing for you to say, considering I believe that all these people were birth under the Trump ran to me, these people feeling so much excitement about anti abortion laws and keeping women anyway, I

say all that. To say that to me was interesting because he was like, remember, and I said, but Trump made a comment that people that got abortions before he was in office should go to jail. And he's like, it's he just did that to blow smoke up. Everybody's asked to get an office. He just wanted to do that. It's possible. It's possible. It's interesting because I mean, the more that I'm excelling financially, which that's been a whole

cluster fucking therapy for me. I am so liberal fiscally conservative. However, in terms of like money versus the rights of human beings, I still don't know how taxes is just the number one response for why people want to sit here and say, oh, well, financially, I'm going to be a Republican and vote when there's so many bills and laws that are being pushed that literally take away the rights of human I've never I don't have an attitude to get up and work. I

don't have an attitude to get up at work. I've never had that attitude. I don't believe in that my father has worked his whole life to only now have a social security of eleven hundred dollars like my parents before I was having a good job where like using food stamps and Medicaid and ship like that, and like, I'm lucky enough to be able to take care of them. But at the end of the day, there's somebody else that's a seventy one you're old woman like my mother,

who can't afford shit like that. That's where my money is going out. Hope so and if it doesn't, it doesn't. But I'm not about to fight about the ship when at the end of the day, I'm the person that's been on the front lines being like ra, Ra, you need to give your tax money up so I deserve it too. You know what I'm saying. Now, I'm going to register my bitches businesses in Florida. Yeah, I'm gonna try to cheat the shit, damn, but I'm at the end of the day, I ain't. But I'm still gonna

pay my taxes hope. Um. Yeah, it's it's interesting and if even they I'm always fumsted to police bro. It's strange because there's still this idea, um, even now when people travel abroad, like, there's still this idea of oh, you ain't scared to go to another country, And it's so crazy because America is really shitty compared to so many other countries. Yes, there's a lot of countries where women don't have rights and can't get education and have

to cover their whole bodies and men run everything. But when you really dig into our not only judicial system, but our government and how things are operated from a federal and a state and a local municipal and how everything is so different and divided, it's really scary what laws are currently being pushed in past in our country

that make it completely unsafe um And it's crazy. Um. But I didn't want to get into this doc because I know our cinema normally sometimes goes askew, and there's so many great topics for this specific for this specific documentary, now I want to give a spoiler alert as this whole last week said Bursted Tomato, and now she's on a skew? Is that not a word? Askew as a word. I just can't believe you. I can't believe you used it after bursting. You know why it is because it

is three pm in the afternoon. I hadn't had a coffee, I hadn't been awake. My brain is worth you burst in my bubble with that. See that is word versus versus No, Mandy burst is already, oh burst, you know what you're reminded me of when you said that me and Vinnie fucking love me. Actually, this is the nigga talking to told me that I live on internet me and he's like