Ep 220: F Dem Kids (Ft. Eboni K. Williams)

The link will be in the bio. I love you and I can't wait to see you there. Enjoy this fun as episode with Ebony the Queen Williams. Guess what decision we're about to make? Horrible Decisions. Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Horrible Decisions. I am your host, Mandy Be sitting next to Wheezy w TF. Okay, okay, okay, love it, y'all. We got a guest today and I'm super excited that she finally came and joined us. Yes, with the hold, but in this outfit she's holding couch

and saving it. We would love to give a warm welcome y'all to our guest today, miss Ebony. Kay, will you what's up? No, we ain't got to sound effects, but yeah, I'm so excited for you to finally join us. Up too long Nowbody tell you to be in Miami fail. I don't want to, you know, as far as you're branding. When we got the email from Dolly that was like every wants to come on the show, I was like,

is there another Ebany? Really? No, but I've been stalking maybe in her d. I was like, but you know what it's I guess that's what you think people are on Instagram right right? For example, I'm always getting books and those covers. Wheezy about those books and those covers. I was just like, damn, we'll be gonna say, hey was she Oh, I'm not gonna y'all send me that

dryass rundown bitch. I did listen. I did. I did because I was like, you know, like certain people, we still want them to feel comfortable, even though we will make you feel uncomfortable. I was like, Okay, well, here's the way we're gonna go about this so that I don't have to ask Ebony if she eats aster like toes which one do you do? You know, I just wanted to But also, if you had to pick, would you rather eat ass or sucktos? Suck toes? Definitely? Really

you ain't you ain't look Yeah, yeah I don't. That doesn't even feel hard to me. Oh yeah, I don't know. Do you have a like men feeling? I actually haven't. Haven trying to think. I would prefer that they're both, that they both would be washed. I was gonna say, I don't presume either the anus the toes are washed. You know, you said man toes man toes is different than I will say. You do give hetero, but you give me. I made out with a girl in college, for sure. But also a lot of people told me,

um that I was giving them power lesbian. Oh you guys don't get any power lesbian me. I mean, I'm not shout out to the whole LGBT a cute community, love y'all. But a lot of people get super powerless bean. I mean, I'm a strong women. They don't. It's it's it's even like it's it's just ameanor like us. Hold on, I look like you actually like a relaxed lesbian. I'm just I'm not like a pillow, a pillow princess crazy.

I actually don't really care for heads. So I'm I'm I'm the one who eats everyone in the bed, whether it's you're a worker baby, Yes, that is actually me. I'm never a pillow princess. I do want to say, Um, I am, how did you go here? Already about the way, already welcome to horrible decision, Welcome to horrible decisions. I do want to say, however, I am a little envious

of you, um and y'all. Before the camera's cut on, I was like, I'm so jealous, eany you just look like a wife, and I feel weasy to pot like hose, even though weey swear she don't really look like oh she thinks she little white be material. But then you come in and we're like, no, we look like the hose and you look like no. No, have either of y'all been married? No? No? No, okay, so no no, So I'm gonna share you. I think I'm older a little bit than both of you, So let Auntie give

y'all some first gyms. I have been brish, I have a ring, pop, I did ze ways show shout out to ze Way her new Showtime show with Nap. She gave us ring pops in her swag bag. I love that, So I have a ring pop for you, says Okay, she proposed to me. She proposed with a ring pop ring y'all know, but that Kelly Price you want to say at age? No, No, I'm Auntie age. We are, y'all are definitely if y'all don't know about that Kelly Price he proposed to me. Maybe you weren't in the

rate Cayden keeping. Oh maybe I can't sing. Okay, you have to do me like that many So anyway, back to what wives and what hos look like. By the way, just relaxed. You ain't guy talking to the mic. You don't have to do you have a good boy and look, yeah it was right quality. Come join us like we got. Okay, you know it's a little different setup. So I was briefly married in my late twenties. Uh, don't worry about it. In and out within a year. I call it my

starter marriage. This is what I was sure any successful marriage requires, I believe from my experience, a lot of sex. So if you were projecting an aesthetic, ladies, please pay attention that says that you are skimmish about sex, prudish about sex. You actually are not looking to be a wife. You're looking to be a oh mate, So just get that out of your mind. I think there's a misconception

at air. I think it's also generational. I think it's like when you're young, you think that like, oh, let me look buttoned up and polished and all that ship to look wifely. No men want their wives to funk them. That is like a part wifely duties. Right, it's a part of it. Don't ever, ever, ever stop having sex in your man Okay, So let me ask you then

why you think. And of course I already had the conversation where I believe Steve Harvey ruined dating for a lot of our generation in saying that in order to be seen as wife the material or girlfriend material even you should hold out and not have sex. But you're saying the complete opposite, and as a woman, so I want to know. I think it's six in one hand,

half a dozen the other. I think what I got from Steve Harvey, and I don't think anybody in here like takes advice from Steve hard Let's be clear, um, do you think they don't? I said in here, Yeah, here, I think we really believe in that. It's not I don't believe in sex without monogamy. But once I decide I want to be a monogamous with you, So it's a double standard. Oh so this is this story. Okay, So this was with my expience. We you're my man now,

I said, no, listen, this is a true story. I've told this story I think one other time in public. But here I don't think youbody heard it. So here we go, aeron to go here. Everybody's gonna here right now. So we had been dating maybe two months. We had probably gone on six or seven actual dates like dinners, knicks games. It was cool, it was a vibe. He had money. Okay, So I wasn't sure if there was a lot of physical attraction until date three or four,

and then we started kissing. I'm like, okay, maybe sometimes. So fast forward to date number seven. I then decided that I needed to figure out what the sex was gonna be like, because I don't want to fall in love with somebody i'm not sexually compatible with, like that is a horrific one. So I was like, okay, age, not with a hard age. Horrif so we do the deed, it was great. Do the deed all right, ebony, legal deed. Like the legal deed. We executed a deed. No look

at me trying to do little. We did the thing. We had our little sex capaid um, and it was it was absolutely good, only to get better. Because that's my experience, I think if the sex starts good, it's going to only go to great. I've never had a sexual experience where we regressed like we always think. Okay, No, I have where I started having to tell him the sex ain't even good. Clearly, I like you, because your sex is not given what it was given, what it was,

what it was given. Sometimes people get lazy. Women do too. I have women do to thing about it, how many guy friends we've had, or someone who's should do this for me any I mean, I'm not gonna do one thing I don't do. I'm people on makeup like I used to. Yeah, but I'm not gonna go from licking the balls to then saying I'm not gonna lick the balls anymore. I think that's false advertising. I don't believe in that. Whatever I start in fact, I start at

a lower quadrant about a game. And then because it's women, we expect a game for men. But you're saying your first game. I'm not really, I'm not, no, no game. Work your way up to that, because so you're saying you don't even suck the first not the first time we sleep together. Now you don't know, go to three thousand off the rill, but she's gonna suck. Told them, do you expect to get out on the first time?

Not necessarily. I feel like most guys do that though, to like get you to have sex, because we expect them to have a game. Back to the story. They's a good intermediate questions. Okay, okay, story, so we have sex, we fuck you good man? Yeah, okay, now getting out of it, and then um, I'm like, so, by the way, if you ever want to do that again, which I also enjoyed. Um, he was still like finishing, so he was just like really like on one, I was like, um,

we go together period point blank. In the story, we go together. We're in exclusive monoguous relationship. Otherwise continue to see other people and I can too, but then that part of our relationship is not going to be on the table. And that's how we ended up in a relationship. That's how you begin rings. Bitch, damn, I need wait wait, wait so real quick. I do want to, but it's like they want a monogoruous relationship. Everybody's not looking for that. I want, I want now, and like we just want

want to comment. I just also want a wife be on the side and a little other whole on the side, but commitment, but also like I want commitment, but all my babies. But like maybe if I want to suck somebody else one day, I could. Okay, Well, people have whole marriages like that, your marriages I want, we want whole marriages, whole, but whole marriages as well. Hilarious. Uh yeah, you negotiate the terms of your marriage. I mean I feel like we hear about that a lot now in

Hollywood especially. This is going on in bedrooms across America. So I'll just say shout out Smith and Ja Yeah, I mean exactly that, Smith, And do you ever work on prenups I have, which we're not there yet, I guess will do it now. Yeah, I want to ask the question, like family, yes, people, have people ever had

in a prenup something that had to do with sex. Absolutely, you can put terms in about maintaining the type of sex is what I've most frequently seen, like kind of to y'all's point, making sure that oral sex is a consistent, regular part and if it is not not there can be a financial consequence. Absolutely out here, absolutely because that could it could be considered a breach of your agreement. So,

and here's the thing. I'm glad that we actually brought it up, because I did want to say that this has been a conversation to where across my friends with my relationship. Now, if marriage is ever on the table, my partner has to sign a prenup at this point with seeing like weezy and I don't have a cap at all with with what with what we can see horrible plus three Yeah, no, y'all going straight to the top.

Already almost there. And so I want to ask you, how often do you see women doing the prenup to protect themselves? Because normally we hear about the men wanting to protect their assets and feel as though women are the gold diggers. How often do women actually give the pre Generationally shifting fast, y'all, Most every prenup I have done have been for women and women of color, mostly black women. I'll just say, you're playing because we don't

work around. Because we're not working around. We worked really hard. One thing we're gonna do is we're gonna go to fucking school. We're gonna go to school, and we're gonna vote Black women gonna do that ship um, and we own homes at a higher level. We we just are acquiring wealth at a different level than our brothers, and we need I want to close that wealth gap, you know, for our black brothers as well. But yeah, I just

believe everybody should get a prenup. I really do. And by the way, guys, I know we did an awful job. We kind of gave Ebony the arrogant wheezy intro by just saying Ebony whatever. It was a joke on another episode. We just know she is that bitch now. So she's she said google me, I was playing. I ain't got a Wikipedia. Well, what I love about this conversation For those of you who are not familiar with Ebony Kay Williams,

I just want to run down real quick. She is our sister on the Black Effect Network and her co host is there so fine, So justin is her co host with on the podcast Holding Court. You guys may have also seen her on Revolts State of the Culture. Um, I forgot about that. She came in, she gave me good. I don't know when he's coming back, but I don't know anyway. That actually like nothing. I didn't know about

it of Court. If I had a name was on it, I would have say, that's kind of ore a little bit connection because Ebony is the only person that I know in this industry to work as well with Joe and Charlemagne almost coincidely, and so that's kind of where I was like, oh my god, girl, you're like, you're the only person to ever be huge energy, a lot going one. Wait wait, we just want to say, Charlottagne, it is our partner. And I never hear him complain

talk about Joe. I really feel like he doesn't give a It's not that it's more it's just more of it. No, it's not obs because I'm the really idiots people. I feel like it was the ops, like who I work with, Charlottmayne is up there doing his ship. I don't even want to act like that's well, no, I think it's I think it can the people around us. No, that's

not what we're doing. It's people that say that people working with both of them, We don't even need to mention working with both of them, like, well, well me and Ebony do um. And then people ask people all the time they should um. And then I do want to say as well for those of you who are stands like myself. Uh, miss Ebony Kay Williams is the first black castmatee on the Real Housewives of That's of

New York. Yeah, you know, I just started watching it during quarantine and you know, I love to do you know, the voices me and Marry all. But so when I first started watching um so, I was living in Mexico last year and the only things that I could watch for very old episodes of Real house that they were in English. So I live in Elias and when I saw I was like Jill Zaron saw very fabric. Yeah, I'll be walking by like damn, I'm gonna just buy

some Pellows and Drakes, just you like. It was so exciting, But you know, I fell out of Housewives, and I mean, you know, when you stop watching the show, you kind of don't realize that you'll fall back in. Come on, I need draw, not because baby I stand. I did the Patriots like super huge. You fall in and out of show. Even people with the podcast sometimes they'll still stop. They jump back, like it happens when you have something

so long running. And just the excitement I think and love that people have shown you Ebany has made me so excited, especially Leah, like we're all so happy to like see this happen. And especially because in Atlanta we watched Black Girls for years and and Potomic and it's married to medicine, amazing black women in New York and we just got it. So keep watching anyway, anyway, shout out to that. But I did real quick before we get intar a little show. I did just want to

do a quick icebreaker. Uh. And even though we kind of broke the ice real quick already, they're really quick. Would you rather um and weezy? I would love your answers on these as well? Real quick? Uh, this is relationship edition, guys. Would you rather tell the truth and hurt your partner or lie and not hurt your partner? Oh? Tell the truth. I hurt my partner. I'm notorious for hard truth in general. Friends, mama, partner don't matter. She said,

you're telling people you going to jail. No, but and how much time can you do? And you should consider that before you Yeah, I didn't let you, huh, because unfortunately a lot of my clients are repeat offender. Sorry weezy, I don't know what y'all know about that life, but yeah, I know I didn't. He got locked right back up and because he got later parole exactly, it's like I didn't even get you before. You're sucking up again. Go ahead, by the way, what is your title? Because that is

what we're gonna get into as well. You are a yes, So I am M. K. Williams Esquire, which means I have a licensed attorney in the state of North Carolina, still licensed to practice. And I'm an attorney, but I'm no, I haven't practiced. And about nine ten, she just know a law of y'all, just like we know how to dick all right, put it next way? And no one said, I don't know how to do that either, But you're just getting it off the first date right right right

next one. Would you rather your parents not like your partner or your friends not like your partner? For my case my parents only because God knows, I love Glory, but she's in New Orleans and she's not somebody that has the interface with us. Okay, routine basis, what about you? Because I know you love your mama, and your mama will tell I don't like this man. I was gonna say, I hate when my friends don't like somebody, but my mom would be hard. Your mom is very very rude

and petty when she doesn't like someone. Um, and I've experienced it, like when I was dating Jeeves. I dated this white guy and he was very artsy williamsburgy guy, and my mom would addict the size of a forearm. And my mom we're at dinner. Nice. He takes us out to this place and my mom has been just weight on hand and foot by men i've been with. Right, She's used to me being a man, and even not a fluent men, Like, this is what I do for

my mother. Right, we're doing Michelin Stars, we're doing of course. Right. We go to this restaurant and so you live in New York, you're staying in New York. He goes, yeah. She was like, okay, and how long do you think that's going to go on because she did. She said, you know, she said, because he was he was artsy, which means my mother broke. I don't take creatives like that either. Now for me, I'm into that, so I'm times supposed to say that. I mean, it's cool they

see out at this point. I mean, my car husband wasn't creative. I used to only I'm not my starter husband. But she was basically like, you know, So we went to the next club. I wanted to take them to towel and my mom said, and is this the place she would want to go, because you know, I just I get your I see what your ribe is. You had meet My mom would be real housewive, the first black girl she could black women to get into Studio

fifty four. And she'll let you know, I kind of want to hang out with she's she's she's a trip. I took her to the public hotel. Let me tell you how boogie my mom? Is this where I get it from? Ian Schragar designed that right, And so somebody was trying to tell her who he was, his white waitress. My mom said, honey, I've done this before. I partied with him. I know who he is. I've opened. I understand this. I don't need you to tell me where I am. Thank you, kind of like somebody tried to

tell me about sag Harbor. Oh yeah, y'all gotta watched the episode. You gotta watch. Go ahead, Okay, go ahead, EXE either or last one? Would you rather make love three times a day for a month or not make love for a month? Oh? No, three times a day is fine in the beginning, that's great. Three times a day day for a month. I can hang, I believe, I know. I can't. I can not do it at all. No, I don't ten times in one morning and still was like coming over, that's ninety times, and I'm that's a lot.

But the alternative is nothing. Let me. I just want to make sure. That's a great question to no one says it has to be took. Yeah, look, so can we? It could be three pumps it out. I mean that's I don't say that is not if it's full on sex. Did actually saying real quick sex? Actually doesn't say sex. It says make love. When it's making love. That's a lot of intimacy. No, it's not just three strokes. That's barely breakfast. Lunching dinner. Note. No, actually, you know how

I would make this. I feel like I could. I'm up for a challenge. I would. It goes three times every time regardless. So what that's different because you have around within like a session three separate times. In my head is like in the morning you say that you you can. It could be it could be backed back. Where did the rule come from? Okay, came from Google. Next is our vanilla ship. For those of you who are tuning, who are tuning in for the first time,

Vanilla ship is sex in the news. And this is something that maybe you guys have been aware of already, but I wanted to save it specifically to talk. Yes, um, just because we and I ain't lawyer's bitch. I mean, I got two bachelors. That's about it. Um. Okay, you people know she couldn't wait to tell us that I love it, girl, I love come from corporate, I have to bitch. I came from corporate too. I just climbed to the top of that. Okay with me, I got my little papers to um and I just figured out

what I was gonna hang on. My doctor Umar would say, why do both of y'all me white man's paperwords. Is this what we're doing? Don't get you an honorary brother. I've told you Dr Umar ain't even adopted and I don't side with that motherfuck ne bro. That's it anyone, y'all? Wallet? Okay? Is that your friend? Girls? My brand? Okay? So the middle Ya got this little narrow ass brand for me? Go ahead? You know what if your Instagram, well, it's about to you. You a fenty ambassador, we all see

you with some link bit essence article. I was like, ohly ship, Yeah, the first time my personal life is being discussed, which I get, Wenna get there. So I did want to have the conversation again, as some of you guys may know, uh they legalized or decriminalized. I want to know the difference partially partially prostitution in New York um. So we've talked about prostitution being legal in

places like Nevada, um where there's brothels and things like that. However, before we get into this, what is the difference between legalization and decriminalization, because I feel like that's what I've been reading in the article and they go back and forth and I'm not sure if they mean the same

thing at all. Yeah, they really do. But it's like semantics, right, So when somebody says it's been decriminalized, like we're hearing that about marijuana recently, right, So that means what used to be deemed statutorially on the record books as a

violation of law is no longer deemed such. Not want to be careful here what we talk about this new semi partial decriminalization of prostitution, because it's not statutory yet, y'all, so people still means that means, Okay, I feel like we're about to go to school house lock right all the story because I think about it. So let's use our context clues, right, So, statutory rape normally refers to

when you've not been forcibly raped. It's it's a consensual sexual act, but it's deemed statutory because of the age on the book. So it's by the letter of the law, it's deemed illegal, not necessarily that all right, So let's go back to statutory prostitution on the books, it is still very much illegal to have any exchange of money or commerce for consensual or non consensual sex acts. So

that's important, and I want everybody liking y'all. That's why a lot of these organizations and coalitions around truly fully decriminalize, decriminalizing sex work and prostitution and solicitation are still aggressive despite this new policy. See now we're talking about a policy that this particular district Attorney Suvance in Manhattan, he's just decided not to prosecute. See the difference. God you, So the law is still on the books but is still illegal, but you can't go to jail for it,

only because he is just choosing. See what I'm saying. Now we're talking about prosecutorial discretion. So that means once he's out of office, because Sivance is not running again. So this is like governor desientists who in Florida. He's a Florida governor is saying is that he won't prosecute

people who aren't wearing masks. Correct, So now we're talking about the issue of So he is making that decision, he's making that decision, and once he leaves office, that prosecution is still at play and it's up to the next person that assumes the wrong. So it's not really, it is not right, it's not don't believe the hype. Basically, um, I think it's great. So you can still get arrested, You can still get arrested, you will not be arrested

under Sivances administration. Now, I want to also give you some more good news though. So far, all of the other candidates, and there's a lot of them that are running to replace Sivan's in dash here in Manhattan, have all said they're gonna go further than Sivans. Not only are they not going to prosecute um the people selling uh sex work per se, they're also not gonna penalize or criminalize the purchasers of sex work. We were further them is John's in the business aint. We call them tricks,

you know. So now says if you bi sex, you can be prosecuted even under Sivans. If you're selling sex, you cannot be. Oh you will not be I should say all these new d as are saying fun the bullshit. We want to fully decriminalized I decriminalized. That's hard word to say, sex work. And we will not prosecute buyers nor sellers of sex and they will support legislative episode.

That's the key takeaway for all these ship sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo beach to the point we need to keep the pressure on legislatively when we need the state assemblies and eventually federal legislators. So that's congressmen and women in U. S. Senators to decriminalize sex works. That's the only way it will be consistent across the board. No one ever will ever be arrested again for unlicensed massage, selling sex, or buying sex. And that's the goal, cause

sex work is work. And funk out of here on your of course, yeah dustn't and I had a full episode actually meant like because the women that some of the women on Real Housewives are very conservative, oh even about a real housewive, like like do your stance on that in saying sex work is real work, especially being on the show with entrepreneurs and wives and people who may look down on sex workers. Is the conversation that

we can maybe see what you will see. Um, well, you know Lee is my cast made and shout out to leva tween and she that's like literally her tagline this year is um sex positive BS negative. So she's gotten a lot of shift from these women because she's very outspoken in her sexuality with yes, all those things so next episode or the week after, I think this episode for lou Anne and I get into a conflict, will call it around these notions of respectability, politics and

vulgarity and what kind of women should you know? What terms like if you were too liberal for that arena, Well you'll see how the ship goes down. Because my thing is, it's so funny. Actually, I'm glad we were talking about this because I know I present a certain way and present a certain way. Looked like I want to propose to you right now with your little wife, because she said you were giving what we still a pup bitch. I'll takeing care of your girl. You might

just taking care of me. You might be taking care of whatever. Y'all coordinated code she got on rare bottom when I'm talking about But I'm on your show, so

it's all good. It's all good, sisters. But yeah, so this notion of women that look a certain way, have a certain level of education, have a certain level of societal standing, shouldn't say these things, or shouldn't um speak in these ways, or even shouldn't carry themselves in what I believe is like, for instance, a lot of people are mad at me because I've said that, I said the word bitch a lot, I heard a lot. I have a big potty mouth, um, and I'm hearing a

lot of women black, white and other. You know, to be such an educated young lady, it's a shame you choose to use that language in you know, here's what I say to that comments and suffer yeah, and my comments and my d m s and you know it's like this, I respect your position. You need to get the funk out of here because I have earned the

right to use whatever fucking vernacular I choose to. And I can hit you with statutory the fucking policy and Iraan what's going on with the nuclear deal and all of that, and I can cut you the funk out, so you know what I mean. So what we're not gonna do. It's like a ball and right, that's nuclear, But we're not we're not gonna shame women. And Leah

and I really we don't funk with that. We're not gonna shame women around their choice of how they choose to carry themselves and make ignorant presumptions around their knowledge base based off of their their choice to lean in or out of their vulgarity sexuality or anything. There's so much uh sorry, go ahead. I had to get that off. There's welcome with them, like I've I've seen people talk about her and her daughter when they TikTok together and they have fun together, and um, we both have very

open moms and we've had them on our show. And I really feel like that's why I don't get pregnant right, Like my mom was so open, but then we had shut up, shut up. I can't stand, y'all. I can't say I saw. I just saw the most baby early. So the meme I saw the other day, y'all, and normally I'm you know, I have a ridiculous dress sense of humor. Not a lot shakes to me. I was like, oh they really think I don't know who it was, y'all. It was somebody that was like, he's our baby daddy today.

To bit you just did, I was like, you might have been at your page. I was like, I'm done. I felt bad. That is true, you just camp it. I'm done. I saw Mothers Day. Damn, some of y'all you can say mother Day today. Let me not be problematic because I was gonna say, we were so open to be able to talk to our moms with things get help. And I feel like not saying that whatever

happened with Kiki, that's Leah's daughter's name. I'm just saying I could see them having such a better bond when it comes to when she does get into the age where she starts dating and and things, and I think it's so important. I think it works that way. I think Gloria told me I was going straight to the hill. I mean, if there was any and it worked that way for me too, you know, so I think and listen.

I also think kids are their own individuals. I think so much of it is just they're gonna do what they're gonna do. So I kind of think these extremes of parenting. I don't know. I'm not a parent yet. We'll see. My mother was very like, oh no, I can very much be like on the kids. Okay, you'll get to in the essence piece. Yeah, I want to. I just want to let you know this, this is it's already been a problematic episode. We get more problematic. Just stay tuned. Yeah, but like, yeah, so I don't

think personally weasy. I don't know if there's a rhymar reason I think the whole being super open and come to me when you're ready to have sex, and we'll go get the birth control and then we'll, you know, I'll bring out the banana and teach you how to properly uh what you call? Did you men? I still don't know how to put a condomn on a dick reservoir tip the other day and he was like, I'm like, oh, I guess I just because it was big and I

know you need to leave the air too. And then I don't think I spell it, but I was trying to be like hot and put it on and then it just spread it. He was like, I will, I will say what you just said. I'm so glad you brought forth to it, because a little bit of that was how and why we started this show. We had met um for those of y'all who go back and maybe or aren't familiar with how we met. We met after not speaking for about five years. But we were

both in different spaces of our life. I was in school working for Golden Sacks, and she, you know, was an account executive for a tech company. And when we met, she also had a sugar daddy and I was still getting flewed out. So we was like, damn, we're still smart, we read books, we have real good jobs, and we're

still being horse. And we felt that it was important that a lot of women, you know, despite whether you're in school, getting masters and bachelors or any type of education, in work in corporate or or literally taking care of yourself, you can do so and be respected but still indulge in the sexuality and things that you joy, and you could still be who you are. I think, you know, change to like you know, Louianna you just mentioned is a lot older, and we know she did her whole

countess thing. And I think that the way the world has changed, with being so modern and being so open, we will see that start to develop. Like I think, only differences as we're talking about it. I mean, as Leah says in the Tailor, which is accurate, they're all hoos. We're all like, I mean, you know, it's true. You know, everyone's having a sexual experience of some sort, whether it's with yourself, whether it's with multiple partners. What is the

definition of Yeah, what are we even talking about? What the fund is a whore? What is a whole? Like? What you know that's such a loose We did a post legal type of prostitution. Okay, we did a post um God, I think I did this three years ago because someone like hurt my feelings with something and I was like, why did they call me that? And I was like, why is it hurting when someone else calls me that? But not when we're saying it from promiscus. We got it so a whole fight because I called

a promiscuous she said, I am not. I said, but you just said you got nutted in and went to another niggata eat it all for something like that, Mandy, you did, But I loved them, so she thought, because she thought because there were feelings for these men that she was says there was a definition. We looked it up. It said something about just like with no care or no emotion or something. Oh I'm glad you guys brought this up. Now I'm thinking about it. You know, Auntie

is a little older. He excuse me. We get into a serious debate on this season the Housewives and in this Hampton's arc about what friends with benefits means um and you guys are gonna see this, so it's like it's it's Sonya and Lu and I put my twoth in out there and I just I just don't believe in sex shaming other women. Like if this woman wants to have sex, um whoever, whatever, and that is her comfort now in your business, you know what I mean? Like that is and and like for Sonya, as you'll

see her friends would benefit. She'll have her friends with benefits for ten years. That's me, you know what I mean. They're not in a relationship, but they have a sexual compatibility and it gives I love it. That's me that well. And I like I was still up until this current relationship, I was sucking men that I was working in high school. Like that's so crazy to me. She can't believe it. But it's niggas that like from ten years ago, like in mind you like I just turned thirty, So yeah,

I've been with my man. You know, she she took that body away. I'm very much. I'm very much like I love it. But what is a hole? What? It had four hundred comments of people so diffused. Some people said prostitutes, the one it's selling sex someone to the girl who's lose, someone who's and it was like, we really don't know, and I think the reclaiming of that word, which is funny when she said you're all hoses, no one really knows, and a lot of there are a

lot of hose that just don't present his hose. I mean, can we tell a true no man, but you present it such like girl, let me get on one knee right now. And I just never I wasn't having sex and there wasn't an aura of sexual prowess to me. Nobody would actually want to marry me. Do you get that, Mandy? Nobody wants to be in a sexless marriage. And when you start dating older man, I don't know how the oldest what's the oldest man you've ever dated? My man?

Right now? How's the old Okay, I've dated. The oldest man I've ever dated is fifty eight. And then but I'm older than you. I'm almost ten years older than you. You gotta remember, Okay, So therefore I have a seven seen or girl. When you're talking about men who are in their later fifties who are mostly coming out of their first or second marriage, most of them are divorcing their first wives because they were having sex with them.

Oh no, I'm they're traumatized from these sexless fucking marriages. It ain't sexless because I with mad married niggas. They were getting sex, but not from their wives. Oh yeah, fat, I'm it was getting sex. That's the number one thing I find that these older men are looking for. They are looking for a sexually active, fluid relationship. And look at the sugar daddy dynamics. Yeah, they want you to only be having sex with them, but they want a

lot of sex, you know what. I feel like a lot of men want women because they also have checked boxes. Like I remember, and I talked about this on the show. I went out with a friend of mine and it was me and two of my friends, and he literally sat there and said, because of the shapes of our bodies and what we exude, he doesn't feel like he could bring me home. But the other girl, who mind you, my homegirl had all the sugar daddy is super sell in the box. She has a more uh, I guess

persona that doesn't read sex or that. And so this has been a conversation as well where men want to take off and feel like they can bring their women around their family or the church or different things because it looks good. But yeah, yeah, they're not fulfilled. That's that's I think a lot of the men picked their first wives based on that ship. They're picking somebody that is aesthetically pleasing to everybody. But but and then the second time, and I'm glad we're laying the foundation more

what we're about to get into. You know, I just actually had a thought of some of my friends sent to me when we're talking about what is a home shout out to Brittany. We were going out that night on FaceTime with some dude. I'm talking to just one of the and she was like, oh, you know, we're about to go be hosed And he was like, what does that mean? And she was like, it told me, we're really gonna be home. It just mean we don't have whole energy. We're gonna be talking and ship. We're

gonna be talking, and then we don't go home. You'll be making out with your friends. Uh that my friends, my friends. I fu women that I want to like. I don't like, you know, I don't like doing that line. Why. I just want to know an out and be like, oh, we're gonna go be host tonight, but you're really not holding But see No, that is where you have your own definition. When I told my man I was out with my friend and then I spent the night, he knew we fucked and I didn't out, but he was like,

does he consider that cheating? If you have sex mean you being a hole? Though? I mean I had set. When I say I'm going to go be a home, it means I'm going at the club and I'm gonna be on some bird ship. You're gonna look at my stories, gonna be like that's what it looks like. That's when I say I'm gonna be a whole, like I'm out

bro see. I think it's just a difference in age because I don't go back there because I like in school in law school, Like there are people that you know, see me now and see my career and they're like, wow, I can't we give the same epony. And I've always been the same way. It's just a bit just tired. You know, I was doing all that what you're talking about, dad, So I'll come and talk to me all that fifty

years ago, you know. Seriously, when I was twenty, when I you know, I just barely missed the window for freakneck o you're kind not made it through college if you really took it, think about it. No, I had a good ass time in college. If you really would engage in the freakneck who knows that actual freakneck in Inlands? Fair enough? But I had enough great hall parties and that you had New York at its prime. I'm knowing what I wasn't in. You know I was in the South,

are you? Yeah? Um Chapel Hill, excuse me, your tar Heel Tario good duke, look you, but you didn't really go there though? Nobody don't you do it? Actually waits a duke? It's okay, Yeah, go ahead and buy that stank and as duke t shirt at the Walmart and keep it cute. Man. Actually, wait a second. Every single I didn't I don't think I was gonna get mad in here. I did get but listen, every time I have a layover in the Charlotte Airport, that's where I

get my duke at tired. Okay, And just anybody that's been the Duke's sections this fucking day, we're not okay. And the tar Heel ship is like my goods just said, um not Walmart, the airport, I think it was a step up airport, go to our horde where we get into our horrible decisions. So the horrid derb. I want to ask both of y'all. Um, I wanted to give tips today on how to be intimate with your partners

without penetration. I know there's a lot of women who we talked about sex almost being a duty, and we'll talk about that a little bit more in terms of marriages. But what act physically or emotionally have you done with your partner that is still intimate but does not include penetration. I want to start, or you can start, wait because you got one. Go ahead, Evany, let's start with you sometimes. But it came to me, Um, I guess, uh, synchronized masturbation. Oh,

here we go. Look, it was new for me in my last relationship, and I thought it was very cool when you guys retired or no, it was honestly was when we wanted to be like extra nasty. Yeah, no, for sure, it is. It's like yeah, yeah, So it's like I wanted to be a porn star. Let out my porn star energy when you believe it there where y'all watching, just see it, and I'm like let's see, I'm going to get market right right, I'll let you go talk to me. That's the name of the restaurant, like, oh,

I love the name home. That's where we're going. Yeah. I did want to say something that I've recently been doing. What be going to my how you know what I mean? So something that me and my partner do and I think that you know. So, I've been recently taking bar. So I'm doing bar. Oh my god, it's like yoga but with like a ballet ship. Oh a r R got it, bitch, my body hurt, baby. But I'm like, I've just been like your flexibility. No, So I'm working on my flexibility. So I'm doing bar and then I

do cardio as well. And something that I really appreciate that he does is that doesn't include penetration. He lays me on top of him and he literally stretches my whole body so I'll be on top of him, and he pulls my legs all the way back and stretches that. Then he'll take my arms and pull them all the way back, and so as I'm on top of him. After workout thing, this is in the morning after sex. This is also just when we're just laying down and

he's like, let me just stretch you. And it's something that is just like I feel so good, Like I literally moan while he does. But it's like he knows I've been working out, and he even was like, let me come down to your gym and make sure you're doing the right ship because I don't need you losing certain things that I like this there, but he knows I've been working out, and I just you know, and he'll just stretch me, and so I lay on top of him and he just, you know, he's athletic, so

I'm sure he knows these little athletes. Um a little over a year now and it's been great, but he loves that I'm getting now back into just being more active and he just stretches me, and I'm like, oh my god, I've never had a person she never had a trainer is a training old. I used to fun models and trainers, and I never had someone like this is training one on one but but but that but in a way where we're not in the gym, we're not on the phiore, and it's just like it could

definitely be sexy too. Let me tell you when I get stretched out, shout out to my trainer Gino, who really has a brother ly vibe to me. We haveing friends for a long time, but every time he stressed me, I'd be like, oh my goodness, he's just beauty turned off. And also, stretching is so sexual. By the way, anyone who ever uses services like this is a totally professional person. Um. But I think I, in my head thinks stretching is

so sexual. I think massages are sexual. The white on the right, the way the way I be sage of my nigga, you be like, okay, So I go lower back and then I go like hips. And then when I get them cheeks and I started spreading them, I start my thumb going in. I'm just saying I loves all right, welcome now, guys, to the horrible decision here. I did want to talk about clearly again, we've talked about you looking like a wife. You've been engaged, you've

been married. I wanted to talk about the rules of or maybe the duties of a housewife and compare it to the modern day woman, um. But also what we expect um and something that I did want to bring up. I guess before we start there. Um, there is a negative connotation currently with housewife. Um, you are a lawyer,

you have all of these brands and platforms. Now you would be considered a modern day woman, which Kevin Samuels actually says is our downfall a lot is that the modern day woman is not prepared to be a wife because we're so overly independent. How is Kevin, I'm really interesting, right, It's an interesting catalyst for a deeper, more important conversation.

I'm very seriously funny. So this is. But I don't listen to a ton of Kevin because I do think sometimes he'd be right about some of these women expectations, Like I get it, But I don't think that anybody, especially that looks the way that he does, can get on anyone's Internet and tell women how they asked him. But way way. It's the same way we say he's

knowing it. Now it's a spectacle, and now he's able to make money from demeaning black It's the same way we said, no one in this room listens to uh Steve Harvey, but people do just to mean black men too when they called on like he had this one dude under here. It doesn't matter but he'll do this. I do think he's equal opportunity. Like, dude, you're like five six, you're overweight dollars a year, and you talk

about you want to tend bro where you know. I wanted to ask you as as a woman, who is I would consider despite you being untie aged, like you said, you are a modern day woman. You own businesses and you're growing. There's no there's no ceiling to what you can do either. However, you do still have a lot of powerful, wealthy men, which is what I think a lot of us seek, who want the housewife, who don't want you to do anything. So I wanted to talk about that a little bit before we get into as well,

you're positioning in men's lives. Yes, um, but yeah, talk to us about about that. I think it's a real conflict of interest. It's the best way to describe it, because you're right, I think a lot of I thought, and I think I still think, but I'm open to

being corrected on this. That the answer because before my ex fiance, all the men outdated I was the breadwinner like significantly so and that was fine because you know whatever, like we said, sugar mom, Okay, I was gonna be stuck about, but like too making two or three times what they made, and that that was fine. Um just because my well, my gord, when you make a lot of money and you're in a certain bracket though, like it's hard working, you know, bullshit jobs. It's just they

were in different fields. You know, I was at a firm. I was still remember doctors are only making like once. Sometimes they look at you. Can you not say one fifty ain't ship. I'm just people listening to doctor. That's not ship. It's not not ship when you have three hundred thousand dollars worth that school. I'm sorry. I never when I was younger and millions did too. I'm in shock at what doctor's name. My friends, my friends doctor

will make millions. But well good, It's just like lawyers, I know, dollar, your lawyers million dollar or your lawyers. So insane with doctors, you're right, sist. It's like some do make and some make three million because they're stay agents. Their cardio basket and this, and man, I'm not shooting on someone making fifty. It is really that that pay is way too low for that job, and that pay is could we just be honest that is a hard way to live in New York City if you're accustomed

to a certain lifestyle. And I'm just gonna say that that's a fact. So whatever. Um. Back to the men with money, Yes, a lot of them say that they want a Clare Huxtable type. They want a Michelle Obama. They want somebody that's going out here getting it like they're getting it. But they do not really want That has been my experience, because they do expect you to get in where you fit in to a life that

they have already curated. Um from them deciding where y'all are gonna live, where you're gonna go to vacation, where, how the builds are just whatever, um. And I want to be in control. They do want to be in control, but they don't And they say they want a partner. And I think you can control some women willingly. I don't think that's a bad thing. I want to be very clearly. There are plenty of women that like it a lot. Some women like it because they don't have

another way to live that lifestyle. Let's just tell the truth. And I feel like I'm too busy to make decisions. That's a different thing, though. What you're talking about is correct. You're talking about an optionality portion. I'm talking about women that are dependent on that man's ability to curate a lifestyle they would never otherwise even have access. And I think that those men that want that should be with those kind of women. Lee and I have actually been

talking about this. She's gonna be mad, But Lee and I've been talk about this recently. Some of these men that we're being set up with through these you know, wealthy social life friends of ours. We go out with these men, and these men are confused about their market value. These are men that make a little bit of change. They might have a little house in Greenwich, they might drive a four door autie and they out here thinking

they ball it out of control. And they really think that women like us who make our own significant means are gonna be are gonna be like your dad, I don't give up, Like what what what life was like? Maybe I really think it must be like I don't know if I've seen this many women entrepreneurs five ten

years ago. I've already talked about the amount of money I make with some people and they're like no, really yeah, and they won't believe it or I was on a date drink thing kind of with this guy who was saying something about me needing to have um a partner, like, oh, you know when you guys get a summer home. I said, honey, I've been looking at property in Miami already, right, how can have one alone? That you were talking about getting cribin in Atlanta? Yeah? Why wouldn't we be able to do?

They're very confused because there was a general not too long ago, let's be clear, where women of all races, but particularly women of color, would never have had the financial access that we enjoy because we've worked for it, to be clear. But they're not accustomed to it. So

they really are out here. Most of them come out of a first or second marriage, and they're thinking that they got monopoly money to spend, and they think that they're supposed to get a batty with a great job, and they were supposed to be oh so excited about their mediocre ass like to it's the idea of being excited about money, cars, homes that essentially I have access to. So you think that I'm supposed to fall over you because these are the things you have, but they're not

things that are mine. That you're giving to me, and so the times it used to be the goal though man, yeah, and again it's seen everything is different now. A generation ago that that would be yours. That's what women were marrying for. They were marrying to say, I can't afford a summer home by myself ever, but if I marry this man, you can't. Even Let's build on the control part for a moment. If you have an Essence article that came out, they could someone say, could make you

look controlling. Oh yes, people are saying heine conversation and so so, guys, there has been For those of you who are not hip on what's happening with Real Housewives of New York. Um, though Ebony is on there, she did call off her engagement, so she is not currently tied to anyone, which is why she said she's being set up. Um. But Essence wrote an article and says that the Real Housewives of New York newby understands that kids come first. Um. However, she says that she needed

to be first. So the article pretty much paints the picture that you called off your engagement because this man chose his kids over you. Now, there is a lot of dialogue with that, especially when you're dating older men. Yes, you're coming into oftentimes them having a previous family, you possibly having to address the ex wife or ex baby mom, or you know, the mother period. Can you go into that a little bit, because that is a little problematic

A little bit. I totally respected, I respect everybody's opinion that the kids should come first, and I actually divinely disagree with that, and I know that I have an unpopular minority of cases. I believe in the divine order. I believe it's God spouse kids. I don't have a funk whose kids they are. I don't care if there are kids we brought into the world together. I don't care if they're the kids you have with your ex wife, your baby mama, or three moments ago. I truly believe

that is a fundamental problem in American society today. I think all these funking I feel like these kids. I feel like all these kids are out here being treated, many of them, as if they are the center of the universe, as if their their desires and their expectations of life and family are the primary priority. And I think it's really fucking these kids up. I think there's a place for children in society, and I think it is really to be at the guidance and foundational um

subordination of the adults in the family. I think there's kids and there's adults. And I believe that any man that is to be my husband has to make me his primary partner and priority and we together, and don't pick me if you don't trust my judgment to build a beautiful, safe and loving family for you and your children. If you don't believe in my ability to do that, I shouldn't be your wife anyway, because you're saying you would have accepted those kids into your home. And then

in that regard, let's talk about these kids. Okay. First of all, these kids were one team eighteen and thirteen, so two of them were young adults. Okay, so that's thirteen is fine, But two of them were twenty and eighteen. So where I come from, I've been out of the house at sixteen. I was out of the house at eighteen. I was out of house at sixteen. I was at the Great University of North Carolinia Chapel Hill, Mandy at sixteen. Okay, again again shout out to the tar Hills um we're

gonna bleep that out. Um, you know. So again, I know that this is not customary my feelings about it, and I just believe that the way I'm able to navigate space as an adult, as an entrepreneur, as a strong businesswoman, it's a strong woman confidence in my blackness and femininity at the same damn time. It is because I was raised by a strong adult. And I just I just think a lot of these parents out here are fucking punks, I really do. And I think they

let these kids run over them. The kids are running the households, and the parents, husband's wives, mothers, and fathers are really at the They're deferring to children's leadership within the home, and I think it's a problem. Was he quarantined with their mother as well? No, they're rich. So these people all have different houses. Okay, So their mother is married, been married for ten years to a wonderful man.

So they have a huge house in New Jersey. My ex fiance has another huge house in New Jersey, in addition to the house that we shared together in Tribeca. A lot of houses he chose to to quarantine in Tribeca, excuse me. In one of the New Jersey, New Jersey houses without man And when you say quarantine, this isn't ten days, this is this is the duration this was.

He left. He came in the room with a backpack on and said, I'm going to Jersey because Cuomo and them saying it's gonna be a lockdown and I won't be able because that's what we had done, and it had worked. Back and forth, of course, back and forth. Of course, I would never stand in the way of a man. That's why I don't like the way those articles were written, implying that I would ever ever put myself in front of a man and his children. That's ridiculous.

I would never have the audacity to do that. I will tap out before I do that. So he had successfully up until that point, managed being with his kids every Wednesday night, being with his kids pretty much every weekend because he's just a very active father. Not every other he was every weekend, and it was never a problem. Um. But when the quarantine hit, he went in March and I didn't really see him back in the city until August. Oh, I'm sorry, excuse me, wait, wait not the adjustment of

the seat. Yes, now, let's get into it. Were you not invited? I was invited. Did he want you to stay? He just saying come by, or did he not say, hey, this is okay. Let me just tell no, that's crazy. March August. He wanted me to come and stay permanently with them in jun Jersey during the warrantine and in the perfect world Ladies who wouldn't want to share at that time with their soon to be husband. We were actually planning a wedding and they're soon to be step kids.

Goes back to what I was just talking about. Leadership. My ex fiance, wonderful man. Still love him to this day, not in love with him, but love him as a goodass man. We had a fundamental different value system as it relates to children's positioning in the home to me, his oldest children, not the thirteen year old. He was never the problem, sweet little boy. The oldest children ran

the household, and I it was not. He did not curate, my ex fiance, did not curate a safe, comfortable environment in that home to where I was comfortable as a grown ass woman who still had to work. I was still doing. They did the culture launching, holding court all this ship for house. I couldn't live there, and because my ex fiance love him to death, he didn't curate an environment where I could be there with them. I had to select myself. And I don't have any other family.

I don't have no cousins. I don't have like, I don't have that. I don't have any siblings. My mom was in New Orleans. I had to be in New York for work, so I was by myself. I got COVID. I was sick for six eight weeks moderately, so no, no, I had symptoms. I was sucked up for like six to eight weeks by yourself, by myself. Oh yeah, by myself. Yeah yeah. He didn't send no soup, he didn't send no nurse, he didn't send anything. Because I get it.

He was some and this nigga came over and bathed me. Yea. So for those reasons, I am not trying to make him look like a bad person. He's not. He just is a fundamentally different belief system. He believes that his children are his family, and he never saw me as family, and that's the deeper issue. So I'm not going to enter a whole fucking marriage with a spouse that doesn't

identify me as family. I think were these questions, these conversations that were had early, like as far as values, do you feel like women should ask these questions prior? Like how early should these conversations we had them. I'm really glad we're talking about this um and I hope people can learn from it because I learned a lot. So this is where he's definitely not a bad guy. He wasn't looking for a wife. Let me give him

that credit. He did not his he knew his kids were still growing up because when I met him as kids where I think like sixteen, fourteen and nine, right, So he wasn't looking for a wife. He wasn't looking to make anyone other than his children his priority. So he's not in the wrong here. I want to be very clear about that. At the time, I was on some Oprah ship. As I said in the first episode of RONDI, I wasn't looking for her husband. Every man I've ever met before him slowed me the funk down,

costing ship liabilities in every fucking way. So I wasn't looking for a husband or wanting children either. I grew up, deeply, deeply loved this man. Y'all and seeing him be the father that he is to his kids made me aspire to that relationship, and I was like, damn, this is some special love, this is some beautiful ship. Maybe I do want this. So what happened is short, Mandy, what we want to change? What I want to change. I decided in the course of the four year relationship, I

do want to be a wife. My opinion that you changed. When I read the article, I was like, you must have misconstrued her words. Then when you started speaking, I was like, oh, she really means this bullshit? Really then, Chel the end, it made me realize, oh, because you're right, absolutely right. As as women, we should put our work in our career first. Um with oh, Bay who I date. He's a VP at a huge financial entity. He's a great black man, and now he's completely offloaded at that

tier to work wherever he wants. So it's like, we're still living in Mexico. Let's live in Mexico, let's do Mexico City, let's keep doing to loom. We'll get a crib here. And I'm like, I'm like, well, now, I mean I have a job offer that's got me back and forth to l a salaried again. I've got a studio here, just got the second one, like I'm not leaving, thank you, and I'm third. Yeah, you know you're in

your forties. You're feeling like you're setting this Like if I move with all this ship running, I hold myself back. We'll see. So let's put a pin in that. Because I had a career opportunity come to me maybe year two of our relationship, and this is where I started to push for marriage. I need to know, motherfucker, are you my family? Because before I pass up on this l a big time seven figure job, are you my family? Because if you're my family, this is why I'm old fashioned.

Funk that job. If you're my family, fuck that job. You're my priority. This is why being number one mutually is important. Okay, and this is why I hold two to this standard. And nobody's gonna get me office. So you can call me a selfish bitch, a raggedy bitch, uh, not understanding bitch, whatever, I'll be all of that, but we have to be family to each other, and we

have to be each other's priority. Because if you're not willing to make me your family and your priority, now I have to take that job because I'm not your number one? How the funk you look like? Am I? You? You are a modern day woman and that's I think what a lot of women listening to this. We all want to be Evan. We do. We y'all talking just a minute. I'm just kidd was I was like this crazy? No, I don't. Kids, really hope that people has to read

the name of this episode. By the way, kids, I really hope you Williams ever made to people are able to get to this point in the conversation because we we we get a lot of comments where they're like, oh my god, I wasn't even able to finish because your guests said that crazy shit, and like even Weezy said, I was like, oh, this bit really gonna live down

this hill on the right. But I don't think that was the most We to never let a guests talk without interrupting, like you keep going right, explain you're saying that this is gonna go somewhere. That was great. Also, I will say he got me really wanted to bench holding court. What is the holding court about? Because you've got Dustin He's so funny, so talented and funny ever is in the marketplace for some vagina. I just want to know I'm first in line and could a deal.

I could have sided deal, you could have thought deal. You must not know about our deals. So one might be that's the probably facts. Presidents, presidents, president, we should ask us in what is his type if he had to. I don't know that, Dustine, I've never asked him. I don't know that he's gold star. I don't know that he's never had a woman sexual. He hasn't look at us we're talking about let me not talk about somebody sexually.

All the niggas we have the same type of niggas. Okay, damn, I'm gonna ask him after this podcast, a star, do you have a girl? Do? I? Do you look too? Everybody? I still want to suk us it more well, I will tell you. I actually made a comment about that once, and I read some reviews about how they were like, how uncomfortable do you think it is for a gay man to constantly hear when it's so hard to live in his world that you guys want to him? And I was like, Yo, sorry, is it hard for him?

It's probably annoying. It's probably annoying. I think it's annoying here. It's probably annoying, so I think. But I think also I've been in the can you imagine me as so sexy? I was about to say, but he demands like I've walked in rooms and me and Carlo we did like we went to a club with dust at one time

and we just looked. It was like, oh, dust we know you ain't ship the way the ment like people just I'm not going nowhere with Dustins a very condu and he radiates a very welcoming energy energy and I think that that is really the most exciting thing about that person totally, when you meet people that just welcome

you and anything. I've seen Dustin a few times this summer during quarantine, and um, I've seen a lot of people that I recognize in the industry, and Dustin is one of the only ones that will always speak to me, hug me, be kind to me, and if a fan comes up to him, be just as war. Yeah. Yeah, with being on Black Effect, was that something curated through Black Effect or did you have a relationship with Dustin.

I didn't know Dustin from a can of paint. What happened was I was already curating Holding Court pre Black Effect and Charlemagne. You know, we've been in talks for years, but whatever, I was like, call me when the ship is real by Charlemagne. Um, to his credit, he did. Did you get the fox? Yeah, all the calls, the call shout out to Charlemagne, Charle Charlemagne, and he did, to his credit. And so by that point I was already going to launch independent and come out of pocket,

you know the vibes. Um. But but anyways, it made sense. So I was already looking for a co host wheezy before the Black Effect deal materialized. And my shout out to my dear friendness Sword Natalie Robinson, who was in the first episode of Real Housewives of New York. She's like, my age is a little bit older, but she's got she's with the ships, like she keeps her finger on the pulse. You know, I'm on my auntie status. She's like, girl, did you see this TikTok and my cal no beach?

I got no TikTok's just like so I saw called her. I was like, I'm looking for I said, I want extremely smart, extremely funny, because you know, I can excuse serious Uh, I want younger than me, which is hilarious because Dustin's not. I was like, and I don't care about sexuality. Just make him look good, though, because at something I want to take this show on the road and I make no apologies. At some point I want to do concert. Yeah, I need an attractive man. I

don't want no ugly fucking man. And um she Dustin Ross was the first name she sent me. She sent me like fifteen, and I clicked on Dustin's I g and I called him immediately and I never talked to anybody else's shout out. We dropped Wednesdays, We dropped every Wednesday everything. Yeah, but you don't need to come in. We need video. We're gonna go to show some space. Look good, do look good. It might be something people watch on you Just Jack to take it in on

just the jack off? I mean, is that is that the threshold? This episode? Jack on a funny when I started to get a lot, man Gan, where does my modesty come in? Right? One thing? Is your show come on on TV? Okay? Real Housewives of New York comes on Tuesday nights, nine pm only on Provo. Check out our sister eany I know we were talking about not having other podcasters on for a while the way, but yeah, no,

and we didn't. But I was like, no, but every gonna come on and then no other we really we know. I love y'all, thank you. I'm really really glad I came on. I'm glad you guys gave me the space to talk about my truth because people bad as sucked in the streets. But the way you expect, I'm glad that you and that's for me. I'm not saying no,

the woman or man has to apply that standard. I learned an important lesson and that's why with my current matchmaker, I don't want nobody with no kids that's not grown because the matchmaker. We gotta do Part two. Goddamn it, do the matchmaker? Could the betchmaker come on with you? We gotta do that, y'all actually know the matchmaker probably like y'all know that, like there's you know, levels, but like the matchmaker, matchmaker, y'all know, we gotta We'll come back.

Dot Com enjoyed the five minutes to tune it into another episode of Horrible Decisions. Then Shroby, what the fund is it? Proby, it's like an Hourly Hotel of Miami. But it's like a sex hotel. There's like mirrors on the ceiling, there's in the room. It's so fucking gross, but it gets the job done. How much was it? That's what tears? Like. The nicest room is like seventy. No, no, I'm not even listening that bro. Like the nicest is like eighty, y'all would say, for like four hours or

some ship like that. He picked me up from my house and we got stop. So we met at wingstop somewhere and then such a nigga as story. We met in a wing stole. Now we started fucking. Y'all is from Florida for real? Okay, So hold on, So y'all meet and go to a choby. That's what's called right, It's actually it's on Oka Chobe. The hotel is called Executive Hotel or like Executive Palace or whatever. It's just amy. We call it the Chobe because it's on I'm definitely

posting Executive Palace. So you guys meet there. This is a year ago, and yeah, we're either of you doing only fans type content. No, we didn't start doing well till like nine months. So once you tell and love. Yeah. No, so that's like that because we were like we were like, knock out everything I want to do now, you know, just get it out the way before we catch feelings and then like figure it out later. But then the

exact opposite happened. It was like seven months of us talking and getting to know each other and then once we like ca realized all right, you're not going nowhere. I'm not going anywhere, Like it's like, actually get into the technic. What about So my first time like seeing Ali again, I was on Twitter and this girl accidentally posted a picture of her boyfriend's dick. Did y'all have only fans before her or after that? I think he had his only fans and he had like a couple

of dick picks up. Um. So it wasn't until after taking He's like, all right, well do you want to do this? And I'm like, yeah, so you started doing an only fans. Tell me what happens when the first person that y'all know, whether it's like family or a friend, is like, what the fund is wrong with you? It hasn't happened yet. It was not a surprise for a

lot of my friends. But it's pretty on brain for my close friends, like from people that I know from high school that I'm actually really close with their right, Like we saw you look like you. We couldn't expect those cities this day in your top know, how much time do you dedicate to an only fans profile? Like how much time do you actually need to put into making sure that it's worth it, because at some point

you had a regular job. It's a it's a daily job, like just as far I mean, I know, um, just some friends. I know some people they set out days. We haven't got to that point where we're like, okay, well this is too overwhelming. We need to set days to do this kind of just like all right, we're on Twitter, we're on Instagram. Let's just go check only fans. Like as far as like shooting and whatnot, Um, yeah,

there's no schedule. We kind of just yeah, but we're still like a l and error process, like just like understanding what we want and what we don't. And she's like that like working with people or like we're just trying to keep through something exclusively for our this kind of thing. So it's like go back and forth from just you know, trying to see like what we like to do, or like how we like, like how we

like to spend our time with. Do you notice that the sex is different when you're doing only van sex versus like other like your personal sex, like tell us that, Um, yeah, no, there's really That's why I like. I like telling people like if we didn't have an only fans, we would still have as many videos in our phone. You know, we gotta old this ship to a cloud. When we started, it was just old videos from like when we first started talking