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We've done money, Animals, Weird Laws, Will Smith, Eggs, Tiger Kings, Twins, Random Ship. But this week we talk about cults and when I tell you, I thought this was some WPS, turns out black people got a cult to Who knew y'all are really gonna love this. It's fun as ship, and honestly, Eddie's a way better comedian than I am, so that's really what amps to shut up. If your board binge it, if you feel like listening, now check it out. And if you're a mother Factor, you're welcome

because our episodes normally come out on Tuesday. But you're getting some brands banking, new baby enjoying for fact Safe podcast. You mother Factors. Hey, what's going on? And everybody, thanks so much for tuning into facts sake. I'm Eddie, This is Wheezy, and this is the show where we take a random topic and we google the facts so you don't have to before we get into the episode. I want to personally thank everyone that downloaded stream. We hit

at a hundred thousand downloads. I wish we have that in dollars, but yeah, um, which is a great great thing for a podcast, and we did it in under twenty episodes, which is pretty pretty great if you think of it. I never did know with my old podcast. Super exciting because we're not famous, and so I feel like so many famous people get like a bunch of streams because they're famous, but we're not. We're just like really funny and like we have like great personalities, you

know what I mean. Like he lives in l A. Like it's just her riot and so I'm like honestly elated or whatever. This sounds like one of my first I when I used to go on first dates in l A when I first moved there. Like so you do. It's like you're an actor. No you're not, but like comedy is offensive, and that's offensive. I'm like, okay, did you ever do did you ever do dating apps in New York? I'm sure you did so. I am obsessed

with dating apps. Really. I think the majority of guys I've sucked in the last five years living in New York came from dating apps and women, Wow, which ones were you on? Riya was the last one. I was on Bumble, Hinge, Tinder, pal venmol oh Man, No, My Sugar, Daddy, Dad Cash. But I was on Let's see when I was a real broke, I was on Seeking Arrangement. I was an app called What's Your Price? What Dude? These guys would like pay to go on dates with me, and it was like they were so ugly and it

was never like a lot of money. I lived in Land at the time. It was like oh yeah, eight bucks or whatever, and they would just like pay me to go eat. I was on you know, I was on a Hinge, Tinder, Bumble fuck j Swipe, Uh no, I don't um, but yeah, dating apps were not the idea we should do one day an episode on dating apps because we talked about it, and remember I was like, I feel like we're not going to get enough facts.

But I think now that I'm thinking about it, like we could just pick certain apps we could do this, We could do dating apps, we could and then it would probably spark stories from like dates we've had and like oh my god, I met a guy off this one, or oh my god, I knew something. There's there's a for fact sake I wanted to do recently, and my friend looked at me and she was like, are you

out of your fucking mind? So, for those of you who don't know, I'm my father's Israeli and I was raised Jewish and only saying that to like keep myself from getting canceled. So I've been watching Unorthodox on Netflix and every time, oh my god, amazing. Right, we talked about it on here. We were talking about how we both cried at the end. So like every time I've in Williamsburg, I'm like, oh my god, this is just

like they're they're right here. This is real. Right. I was like, we got to do an episode on the Jews. She's like, no, you don't, bitch, She's like, absolutely not. And I was like, well it doesn't count because technically I am, but then she's like, no, no one cares, So we should definitely do a religion one. And I think when we do that Jews segment, oh baby, I'll let you handle that one. I'm just gonna get back and not my head like yes, you know what it is,

have such like much like Islamic religion. I feel like I don't need too many Catholics or Christians that are like they follow principles from hundreds of years ago. So when seeing someone just in modern time in New York City and you're right next to the guy who's like playing pop smoke and you know, and I just it's always like, oh my god, this is real. It's like Shabbat every day. It's so interesting whenever I see anyone of Hasidic sort of origin walking around New York City.

When I was there, all I kept thinking was are you you're You're hot? Right, you're warm? You you must be sweating, you're fitzing you got And I can tell you this, my mom wears a wig. I have worn wigs in the summertime. You cannot. And when I see these women in wigs and masks, I'm like, I want to take them both off for you girl, I get you. Um, what a great segue into our topic, which is cults.

We're talking about religion, talking about cults now before we get into the topic, usually do fax about each other, but I want to get an opinion from you. Now. Usually a cult leader someone who's captivating, who's captured the imagination of a group of people, whether they're vulnerable or they're sort of people that are easily influenced. That being said, there are people out there that are that, these cold leaders, I mean they captivated a group of people to believe

what they believe. Give me a celebrity, a person, an artist, whoever that you if they weren't famous, they're so charming captivated that do you think they could they could have let a cult Beyonce because technically, oh wait wait past for presents in at any point, at any point yeah Beyonce. Um, just one second, want to move this to make sure

it doesn't get to the mic. Beyonce, absolutely, because like I actually have a candle with her face on it, and she looks like Jesus, and I feel like there's no one else I worship that's like a celebrity like Beyonce. I mean, it's actually quite disgusting. But I've called her bess. You know that's a really do you have a candle for her too? If you like? This is the kind of part I'm talking about. If she wasn't famous, you

would you still look up to her? I think you would if if just someone who would like you just know through a friend like, oh, I want to be her best friend. Not to mention, like, I think Beyonce has a lot of ideals we like she represents sisterhood, girl power. She's a mom, she's a wife, but she's still sexy, Like you're so enamored by someone like that. And she's an activist so that's like those other things too, and she's hot. But Will Smith was the other one

that was on my on my mind just now. Actually really you think, like you just met Will Smith was like, Hey, you want tohow me fifty bucks, you'd be like yes, Like how could you not? It's Will the Fox Smith, Dude. I get entangled with that guy for sure. I think Ryan Reynolds could start a start a cult if he wasn't famous either, either. Ryan, if they're just like they're just Ryan. Ryan Reynolds is the guy who's like played a green lantern. He's like the funny one. Yes he

played Deadpool. Yes, he's just so good looking guy charming. God, they look alike. I know, all these hot white guys, but like Ryan Goslin looked at me the eyes like you're really funny and do you mind driving me somewhere? Like yes, yes, And so you guys, you're gonna get paid this week and um let me even my routing. Yeah yeah one second, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course you don't mind like lending me like half the money make

this year, right, you want more than half. Just something about these people that are so I'm not saying these people could start a cult, but they have qualities of people that could lead people, because for the most part, most people are mundane, right, Let's be honest, Like most people we meet every day, they're not that memorable. But there are moments where you do meet someone that's very striking,

and that's a fucking cult leader right there. That's a that's it's It's like, even if we're going to talk about people that run for presidents or like run for any kind of campaign, like they've all got some sort of star power. Donald Trump could easily be a cult leader. Right. He makes you feel like Obama was just so cool. Man, He's just so cool. Okay. See, I feel like I joined a cult of his on accident. Like he I'd be playing pick up basketball with him and then next

thing and I'm like running his errands. Yeah, yeah, did you did you? Did you tell her the right? Okay? Yeah? Um, make sure you get the tailored pants. Now we were just he said. It was a great segue cults from religion because a cult is a term that doesn't refer to a religion at all, but it's more applied to a social movement. So those who accept beliefs and rituals a member of the religion after they accept it, so

outside of it, it's considered a cult. However, the word cult means a sense to a system of virtual practices. It was first used in the early seventeenth century and it was mean to paid homage to a certain divinity um, and cults came from the Latin word cultists, which means worship um. But really, ac cult is just a newly started religious movement. One thing I found really interesting the founder of I Hop created a list to differentiate between

religious community and a cult. This why did. I tried to figure it out, and I was wondering because like, like nothing was really factual that was popping up. So I didn't want to get down what I saw, but I was like, I wonder if they was coming in, Ah, I'm gonna trying to get a deployee. So one opposing critical thinking and not by the way, when I read that at first, I was like, oh, maybe they mean

like what everyone's thinking, mainstream thinking. No, it's opposing critical thinking to isolating members and penalizing them for leaving, emphasizing special doctrines outside the scripture, UH, seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leaders, dishonoring the family unit, crossing biblical boundaries, um of behavior versus sexual purity, and personal own a ship, which is normally what we have. But instead it's more so like you follow what we say instead of winning

your own body and separation from the church. Which is interesting because almost every cult I look up kind of was like about God as we know him, Like even Waco is like an offset of seventy adventice people. What they do, what some of these cults do is they go, hey, you guys, like Jesus, well you know what I know the guy and they're like, do you Broy Like I'm like me him are close. I talked to him every week. I mean I could tell you what he tells me.

And they're like please, and they're like boom. Look it's like it's you know what it is. They can't be a God, but they can be the God the guy. But between them and God and then which is I don't want to say this, but like a reverend, a priest, someone who teaches scripture, but they but these cult leaders, they feel like, no, no, I'm not just teaching scripture. I am him persona. They're like God came to me, Like I mean any black church I've ever been to,

Like you know what God taught me is one. It's like damn he was talking to you too. Like ship, I mean this ship is real. But um, I'm gonna kick it off this week and start a little heavy, please heavy heavy, like the first day of a period. Please heavy. A lot of cults. So a lot of cults that um, we I feel like we hear about or like we're watching on fucking Netflix or whatever. It's always someone dying, right, Like it's always some weird as suicide and this one was super interesting to me. I

picked my favorite to suicide, so Heaven's Gate. Some of you may have heard of it, some of you may not. Marshall Apple White and Bonnie Nettles, do they sound like they're in a cult? Yes. In the seventies they were a cult that had come a complicated belief set involving alien spaceships and recycling of planet Earth. Interesting enough, kind

of like scientology. But anyway. After Bonnie died in eighty five, he took the group to further extremes In nineties seven, and he began claiming that a spacecraft was following the hail Pop comet and it would carry the Heaven's Gate members to the next level of existence. While renting a home in San Diego, him and thirty eight followers died by suicide by taking It's called Pheno bar Biddle fame

of Barbiddle mixed with apple sauce. Something weird about this cauld They all wore the same uniform and Nike shoes, and they had five dollars and seventy five cents in their pocket. I tried to find why they had that amount of money, and nothing was consistent, so I didn't want to add it to for fact's sake. However, Wait, they all had the same amount of money in their pockets, exactly five dollars seventy five cents, and it doesn't there's nothing consistent as to why it's that amount. Um. But

the Heaven's Gate website still exists. It's maintained by two of the followers originally. What's interesting about it is the cult promise that members wouldn't have to die to ascend to a higher plane. However, according to the BBC, members were um told that they'd be I'm sorry. Members were told they be able to exit their containers a k

their bodies without resorting to suicide. They hope to be beamed up into space, taking their bodies with them into the Next Level, as members called their version of the afterlife. In the eighties, when the Bonnie died of cancer and when he amended the teachings, he was basically saying, they'll be given a new body, um, and so that's how he kind of got them to do the suicide. The other weird thing about this one the next level was

a place without gender, and that led to castration. Him and members underwent the procedure, and they to help ensure they remain celibate for purity. And uh, here's what's interesting. Apple White who was fired. That's the guy who was like made everybody killed themselves. He was fired as a music professor at a University of St. Thomas, Okay in the seventies after they learned he had sex with a male student student. So he went to go seek a

cure for his homosexual urges. He wanted to find a way to have a platonic relationship where he could develop his full potential without sexual entanglements. Second time I've heard that word this month. Castration, he believed would make it easier. Ultimately, the group insulted a strict no sex, no human level relationships, no socializing rule. What's up with these cults that say no sex? Well, it's where some of them are either no sex or funk everyone, right, It's either or or.

Some of these cults what they do is they go no sex except for me the leader. Ye like Waco Like Waco Like yeah, Like it's it's just like they're the centralized figures. Waco And I know that I just asked you briefly the names of yours, but I didn't want to cover the ones from Netflix because I feel like those are the ones have been so publicized. Waco, like seventy something people died. You guys probably saw it.

If you have a great documentary documentary where only they could suck that leader and then the raj Nishe's from Wild Wild Country, also amazing documentary. They were sucking on the streets, they were fucking everywhere. They had a free everywhere. So it's like, I mean, if I had between cults, I'm gonna pick like the cults me too. Yeah, call me crazy, but I'm not really into like, cut my dick off for god cults. Do you want to be an alien and give us your dick? Yeah? I do? Yeah?

Can I so wait this container quote unquote body will have a new body? Will that new container have? Everybody want to know where they put the dicks? Though I'm looking for him, I'm just saying I want to know, like, once you cut one off, where's the guy does the does the leader keep him in a drawer like my mom used to keep my baby teeth. And he's like, I'll whip this ship out and send it to your old fucking job. If you don't get in line. Dude. What did they used to call the guy in a

not it? Is it in cell? No? What's the word? What when your dick is cut off? And they were, they would call him that on Game of Thrones. Oh, I don't know. I don't watch The Game of Thrones is too much? What are you a person? What the fund is wrong? I'll join here? So Heaven's Gate. I remember that growing up. I remember that the leader apple Bomb is Apple Bomb or Applebeam Apple Gate. I remember you saw his look in his eyes, apple boy, he had such a glaze over his eyes. He looks so crazy.

Look at the kind of guy that doesn't blink. Look at that too, Like he looked crazy. Eunick, that's what it's called. Yeah, And I remember watching the CNN show a camera going into like the bunk beds and showing all their Nike sneakers creeping up from the bottom of the blanket. What's up with the Nike ship? Like there's nothing consistent. Like I've been trying my best, like to not speculate the facts, and I really could not find something consistent. Maybe they went to like Ross and got

a like a lot on a deal. I mean, maybe someone from Nike was in the call and he was like and he's like, I got a hook up. The Nike decade was the name of the shoe. Um it says nothing. It just says there was a story of a Nike employee that sold the shoes to Heaven's Gate before the suicide. Um. But like yeah, they're not really saying like why, but sneaker heads are collecting the shoe

because of it. Really yep. It says that the shoes were worn by the cultists and like after it happened, like that shoe basically became like an item, a cult collector's item. Oh my god, I feel you know, I

think help they cow manipulated. These people are think about that, like me and you or anybody really you ever like you ever like go to like a you're trying to buy a car, or you're or even we're talking last time about like properties and stuff like that, and you know someone's trying to pull something over you and you

can sense it. Well, here's the thing. When you're feeling very lost, I think, or you don't feel like you have a sense of home, Like for example, I was actually thinking because when I read the words social movement the only thing I could think of that I'm a part of his Black Lives Matter, right, And I was thinking to myself, like, this is extreme. But what if someone was like, Yo, you can live on a compound where it's only black people. We're all going to support

each other. The food will be tasty, the music will be great. Like you come here, you're gonna feel like your home. There's gonna be no racism. You're not gonna have to worry about it. We're gonna have our own stores, We're gonna make our own community. Join it. Would I be like, oh, that's sounds terrible. Or if I was soup feeling super oppressed, if I felt like society hated me for my black List and in blackness and I had no sense of community, what I do that cult?

Lucky for me, I do feel a sense of community. Lucky for me, I do feel empowerment through my blackness. But if I did it, could I join that cult? Right? Because me saying that right now, it's like, oh, well, we're moving to Jamaica. Like it's sounds okay, you know what I mean? So I feel like they've got to be selling the dream. And what if you're already like

a believer of God, right you know? You know. I was talking to buddy, but we're driving by the Scientology building one time and I was like, man, how do they I don't get it. I know it sounds ignorant for me, but like or anybody, like, why are they doing this? And he looked at me and he said, because you don't have to, because everything's laid out for you. What do you mean? Like, there's some people that are like have real worries like where am I to go when I die? Where am I going to meet my

next Where am I gonna meet my wife? Where? How am I going to raise my kids? Where am I going to live? What am I gonna do? And then and then someone says, I got it all figured out. Your wife or husband's here. This is what you wear, this is where you hang out. These are all your friends, this is what you listen to too. You don't know what to do with it. Your isolated or like you've

had an addiction. You feel lost. And then somebody in a robe with Nike sneakers and hasn't blinked in two weeks goes, why I'll help you, and they're like, Okay, you know. Oh my god, dude, they probably these probably these mothers. Probably that's everybody coming in here too late. You already ain't doing too well ship dude. When speaking of eye hoop, when I drove by an eyehopped, uh actually yesterday and they're doing outdoor dining in l A and they were eating in a parking lot of an

eye hoop at that point, just eat at home. Are you fucking kidding me? What are you doing ie hooped parking lot? No? I don't mean like we just got a couple of pancakes and some star foam boxes that we ate on, like on the current. They had like seating outside with the tent, and there's people out there eating in the parking lot of an eyehop. I'm like,

take it home, eat it in your car. I'm disgusting. Like, I'm like a hoop is just like at least let me eat some luxurious with some plants around or something the fucking strip mall parking lot. Imagine you're like eating in a parking lot of an eye hoop and then you just see like a fucking raccoon eating eating alongside you have the same meal, Like, Okay, it's time to

go oh dude, I wanted to mention something. So I was reading all about these colds right and all this ship, and I was like, Yo, there's some crazy white people ship right. And then that made me say, I gotta find a black cult. And there's like one, because I feel like African Americans have a natural sense of suspicion to people that think there's a ship? What makes you

the ship? Fuck you? They fucking run at every like like something like Plus, some feel like black people are gonna tellone ship gets a little suspect, they're gonna be like, you ain't about to get me, no, you know, and they're like one guy's like, I'm more of a easy guy. I'm not really wearing these nights, so I think I'm gone these ugly No. There's a if you've ever heard

of the Black Israelites, they were like dresses or whatever. Um, well, it's called the Nation of Yahweh and they're like an offshoot of them, um and there's like maybe members, but it's I'm sorry dying out the lab. These guys basically like they're always outside of the subway and they always say some ships to me, like you don't need that weave in your head, Queen, I'm like, you'll need that fucking dress. Like, why are you talking about so rude?

Everyone's like, wow, let's circle around this fucking disc jam. I think African American, especially American black people, have a sense of like, no, I don't really trust this, dude, Whereas I feel like why people are like on inflamer buying self infommercials, like oh my god, I have to get this thing, you know, like, Okay, relax, Susan, you don't need this, very very very I forgot about Heaven's Gate, dude, I forgot about that one. That one was like a wild one, and a lot of people died in that

fucking community. Where was it again? What Utah? Where was it Utah? I don't know. Let me read m. San Diego is where he rented the house. Wow, damn, they died in San Diego. I mean that's not that that's not too bad. No, I just thought of figured it would be like some hicktown. Well. My first fact slash cult is one that I've never heard of, and I don't think you've ever heard of. It's called a remnant followship.

Reminant Fellowship is an organization that began in in Memphis, Tennessee, as a weight loss program founded by Wo Shambling, a dietitian. The program, called Way Down Way as in W E I A I g H Workshop, use biblical principles to help overweight people regain control their diets and their bodies. Way Down Workshops were wildly you widely used by many

evangelical churches across the country. Shamblin, the woman that ran, Gwen Schamblin and and others who believed in these principles began a church called the Remnant Fellowship Church in Nashville, Tennessee. So their focus is upon strict and complete obedience to God in every area. However, that obedience is often defined as obedience to Gwen ship Shamblin. So basically, listen to what I say because I'm listening to to God or

whoever you believe right uh. To criticize or disagree with Shamblin in any area is to be out of the will of God under oath. Shamblin stated, to accuse me of being deceptive is very strong language because I've been led by God to do this. So many former members have been spoken out about the total control Gwen Shamblin maintains over their lives of church members. They were not allowed to read any material that was not written by her. They were not to listen to any music except made

by her son, Michael Shamblin. Think about that, Are you fucking kidding me? So it's like, hey, my SoundCloud rappers son. Every decision of the membership was to be approved by rejected by Gwinn Chamblin. And it's still going on today that they're still this sort of thing where like, see, this is what happens, right, Like, you have someone that changes your life. You're in a situation where like listen, i feel like I need to lose weight, I'm losing control.

She helps you, and you, miraculously your body changes and in a way to to them, you are a god because you've transformed me. You've made me a better Stop because nobody praying it any Craig. No, But there are people that are dedicate to curbs. Uh the gym, dude. But the way that some way watch your stuff sounds though I know it's like it's like their bibles that little pen people are very and when you meet someone that's counting points or whatever, do you remember Oprah's commercial

about love bread. Remember that's really popular, Like she does this fucking weight Watchers commercial and the way that she talks about bread, it's like she wants to fuck it. And people are like so enamored with Oprah and this ship, and everybody felt like she became so relatable after this ship, like it was so weird. Oh here it is, I found it. Oprah loves bread on YouTube. There's like so many lived. I don't deny myself bread. I have bread

every day, love bread. I have eaten bread every single day. I have bread every day because I love bread. The grainiest nuttiest seven grain, nine grain seed bread, one slice of twelve grain bread. It's last very two points toes crazy seven grain COEs. She's like, I love bread. I have bread before bed. I have a bad getting in my pussy right now. I have Like can you imagine if you know who you lives with bread and then you fucking see Oprah. I'm like, yeah, I'm joining this

ship too. They got you off bread girl. You ever meet someone's like in ta keto like hardcore and takeyo man, I did it and I had to join a keto face. I met a guy out here, and there's a lot of these kind of dudes that was so in te keto. He was he was making his own jerky and keeping in his pockets every time he meets somebody. He was like, why are you eating that man? You don't get him. You don't know what's in that y Yeah, and he would just look people in the im be like I

only eat eggs, deli meat, and and ground beef. That's it. Ye yeah, I've lost this munch pounds. I feel better, I look better. I'm like, bro, you're not blinking you ever done keto? I I have, but it's unsustainable. I can't keep that life up. When I was about to pass out at my last job, I remember this guy that was heavy on keto and like he had a bunch of protein paddle over. He just looked like a fucking asshole. He was like, yeah during katosis, Now this

is what he's just like yelling at the streets. I mat katos as No. But like it's a really weird thing when people get like That's why I'm not shocked that this could have started off of food, because when people have a goal together, oh man, I mean like that's why I joined that face group group. I felt like I was going to die through katosis and I'm watching people be like yeah, I'm throwing up too. I was like, damn, I feel you. You're my sister. I

wonder if there's a CrossFit cult out there. I wasn't surprised cross It already. Crossed Already is kind of a cult if. I hate when people wear their shirts on vacation. Like you know, I cannot tell you how many times I've been foreign countries and seeing Americans with Crossfish shirts and I'm like, bro, like, kill the funk out wearing Monaco, fucking shut up. Oh my god. When I was into Loom, dude, we saw this guy with a Crossbit shirt and I

remember thinking, like, we get it. You love America, we understand it. So I'm just a bitch like but like he had no idea. I was trying to be a bit. It's like one in the morning, We're at this bar, and I just felt I was like, fuck it, let me do it, because I kept seeing him over and over. Because the ex fact community into Loom was very small in the beginning of COVID right April, when nobody was there. You count trap in Mexico, I mean, according to what

we thought. So I started talking to him at the bar and I'm like, damn, I've been thinking about getting across bit too. Like He's like, it's a lifestyle, is what it is. And I thought, I was like really. He was like, I mean, what's something you love? Remember he said that to me, something you do for yourself that you love because it makes you feel good? And what is it? Do you have any sport? And I'm like, you know, I'm really trying to think hard. I'm like,

sucking dick. I don't know. Like He's like, all I have is protein powder, I have battle ropes in my house. I my girlfriend is a kettle bell. My girlfriend is a kettle bell. So then I was like, well, what do you what do you do now that you don't have a gym? You don't need a gym with CrossFit, That's the thing about it. It is a you don't need anything. You get box. I'm like flipping over a tire, I'm throwing I'm I'm throwing an axe. I'm hitting a

fucking sledgehammer on the grass. Don't you be noticing like cross with people be short. Yeah, I feel like it's just like Napoleon, like, thank god you're not this way. But I don't mean many men that are under five ten and don't have this weird complex about themselves. What helps me? It helps me stand up. That's well, I've

seven and a half online, but by seven. But when you're a stand up comedian and I can stand in front of like a hundred people, five people, thousand people and not be nervous and have joke around, you feel like you're six ten. You feel like you're I'm on stage. I feel good and I don't even stand up. It's very empowering and and I have I've been doing a lot enough where I can walk around and be like I could do something you're afraid of. You know, I don't care who you are. You could be a legit

linebacker in the NFL. But I can stand out there for forty five minutes and joke around and you can't not certainly shame anybody's looks. But when you're attractive and short, it helps. Sorry, but like seriously, like you know what like people like if you regularly look at motherfucker and you five seven, like maybe life ankle hand you the best? There helps Thank god. I got my hair. Oh thank god, right, dude.

Imagine if you were like receding, dude, if I was receding in there was a cult member that said I'll bring your hair back, and everyone around them had hair, I would be like, where Bron better join them? Motherfucker. Lebron'e hairlines like the ice like like the ice caps. And every time I look at Lebron's hair, I'm like, he's so, you had so much time during quarantine. And

then you know what else? I think when he finally shaves it off, he's going to look back at old clips and be like, Yo, why did I leave this in all? Also, Lebron James, if I must say this, when you're a black man, you can shave your head and people are like that looks cool. White guys to shave their heads, Like are you sick? Is everything okay? Okay? Are you darks? Like if you're like, are you a racist? Are you sick? Are you okay? Let me tell you something.

One of my friends, she was like, I sent her to this guy was about to going to date with. He was a white guy who was bald. Some guy I've been online and he had a picture of Doc Martin. She was like, this is the Nazi uniform, dude, the guy that killed kids in Columbine and had on top and then he was bald. You cannot do I'm like what And it was like really, what came to her head? She's like, you can't just suck a bald white guy like this. He's probably racist. That's funny. I'm gonna ask

you a question. I'm gonna ask you to do this, so I want you to look up Gwen Chamblin, the leader of this reminant follow ship. Tell me if you would let this woman lead you, look what she looks. I don't want to shame any one for their looks, but when you're admitted, I know you are a goddamn liar. And guess whose face is going to be the fucking cover art for today's episode? Is her hair? Are you shitting me right now? She dude? If that, I mean, hey,

everyone looks the way they look. Everyone's beautiful to somebody, but but this woman looks crazy. Go oh my god, Eddie, oh my god, this is the picture. I don't care. Every week, for facts sake, we've been putting our own faces. We might have to put this bit room there. Wait, wait, wait, I'm serious. This might have to be today's I'm afraid. I'm afraid that one of her fellow followships is gonna, like, fucking please makeup her neck and her hair right now.

Oh no, we're picking this picture people. Y'all gonna see it right now. She looks insane. She's holding If we somehow decide against this, which there's no way we could. This woman is holding a groom in a bride's hand. She's in the middle of them. Her makeup is so pasty white, she already looks had. Her hair is so high up on her head. She's like it's like like a like a buffon, Like it's like yeah or whatever. Oh wow, I mean she's been I'll give you that Memphis, Tennessee.

So she literally took she made a die. I don't know what the diet is. I was looking up. I couldn't really find too much it about it, but it was like, it's really weird. What's the diet? Like I want to hear her voice so badly. I need to know how high pitched it is. Okay, who's your master? Here's the excerpts. We're looking off for that barn, right, Now at one time I was a white so much Jimmy and Chaucer. Um, are you shipping me? God? Damn it. I thought this bitch was gonna Wow. Now I'll tell

you what that is. A bufon goddamn accent. Uh. He's funny when you look at someone's hair and be like, I know exactly how you sound. Oh my god. I just went on on their on their website and saw a picture of her and her kids and they all have weird, big hair. She's still alive, Yeah, she s tell has a church. Wow. How to focus on God? By Gwen Shampo. How do you after focusing on food for so long, how in the world do you start

focusing on God? I'll tell you what ya stop you brand you take that take that cookie out of your mouth and look up to God. Okay, that's that's a weird one. She's uh and she makes everyone listen listeners Son's music. They all are they all you know, they're all bought in, man, they're all in. This might be this is this might be coming up on my favorite episode. Okay. So the second cult that I chose and I thought had a really cool thing in there, there's two celebrities

that were born into this cult as well. This is also a popular one. David moses Berg. This is a cult called the Children of God and this is a Communist Christian offshoot also in California. For so someone so concerned with moral decay and evolution, and that's a lot of them. It's all about the afterlife. He had a very sex centric perspective on how to spread the views of Jesus through flirty fishing. Basically, he would use young women to learn new members by having sex with them.

Apparently he was opposing anti pedophilia laws and according to some of the members, sex with children was not only permitted, but it was a divine right. Um. He was a master of propaganda, writing, publishing and distributing pamphlets. Uh. He had a terrifying book called The Art The Art of the Children of God or something and basically discussed his teachings. When the group changed his name several times, most recently

to Family International. It operates in eighty countries, although it no longer permits adults between the sex and adults and children. Joaquin Phoenix and Rose McGowan were born into this call. Which is crazy because I just saw was that who saw is that Rose McGowan shaved head was like one of the Mexico Did you see here? You did see her there? Uh huh. I just didn't know if that

was her last name. So, um. They were established in the late sixties, right, and he was a traveling preacher, and they believed in free love and they were you know, so they recruited with sex whatever. The flirty fishing is insane. But the children, the survivors of it, say the children were regularly abused. Um. Some there's a direct quote where someone said there was sexual abuse for myself from the age of four, not just from my dad who got convicted,

but from other members of the cult. Some related, some were not. Um. I wasn't comfortable to the things being done to me, But if I asked a question, I got beaten or put on a silence restriction. I was punished a lot because I was never able to stop asking questions. He died in ninety four, and the cult later rebranded and changed his name to Family of Love Family International, after it had been labeled a cult and

investigated by the FBI. They renamed themselves so that they could stay around wild many imagine you go on a date with somebody and then you go where'd you grow up? And they're like, oh, Albuquerque, New Mexico. Oh cool? How was that? Like? Not bad? I mean I was. That's kind of crazy. I mean I was an occult for the first ten years of my life. Like, uh, what have you seen? So I know I was in a cult? Really? Yeah,

he's actually a close friend of mine. I did a Patreon episode about it a Horrible Decisions because I wanted to discuss religion and sex and I'll see if I could get him to jump in and like maybe do a little something with us. It might be fun when we have a Patreon and just discussed that portion. But basically, I don't remember what kind of cults it was. It was something to do with God and religion and Christianity.

But they had to surrender their check, not the entire check, but I think his mom gave him most of the pay checked up and they made them cut out boobs and stuff like that newspaper. Oh sorry, cut off the boobs outside of news. I'm sorry, I don't I don't know. I didn't. Oh my god, O sorry, I couldn't get that out. He was like, not those log tits, no cutting tits out of newspapers and clippings, and he's like, I never like saw bodies like that, Like we had

no TV. And then he was talking about how you'd feel so guilty about masturbating, how once he did it, he couldn't stop and then he would have to like just ask God if he could do it, and he said he'd get so frustrated. He had to do it anyway because like he found out what it felt like. And then when he got married, he got married super young. He didn't even kiss his wife till his fucking wedding

day because the cult like made him keep sanctified. What's even more hilarious about this is like his wife and him were into like kinky assex and he sucked all the time, said like ten times a week. He's like, they're like super Yeah, he's like and like he became totally normal after that, but yeah, they were weird. Ask mother cult. It's funny like he mentioned like they would use women as bait for some of to get new members for this cult. And also it's like and it

made me think of Jeffrey Epstein. I was like, oh, ship like getting young girls to like lure in powerful people. But here's the interesting thing. So this guy I'm talking about, I know him very well. I spent a Christmas with his family, his mom. This was before I knew was so adorable, so sweet, And the only thing I could think after he told me this is like, Okay, she was super lost after a divorce or something like. This

was not a woman I took for. I mean, she was adorable, super sweet, like you know those type of people that have to hug you when you get in their house and they're like rubbed army, like you call you on something like, she was so sweet and I was like, wow, it's not who you would think. It's those people that are so nice and impressional they get

sucked in. Mm hmm yeah. I mean it's funny, how like not funny, but it's actually really terrible, how you know how sex is this thing that can really put you in a trance for certain people in these cults, it's just like being lured in and you're just like, oh my god, I feel euphoric and I want it again. And that's you've ever done over sex? Like what do you mean? Like, I'll tell you mine. I feel like I've had sex so good that so like he he didn't have a lot of money, and I was like

willing to like fly this guy to me. I was willing to do like anything. I was like, oh my god, I'd like maybe I've done that. I've I've flown in somebody in Yeah. I feel like it's different for women, right if you had to fly dick to you, bitch, Like, come on, I mean use points. Let's see what else is some dumb ship I've done for dick. Um. Oh my god. I was sucking this guy and he just really was just he to this day. No one needs

my I know, like him. And he absolutely loved table tennis and I acted like I did too, And I swear to you, Eddie, I mean we would watch you tube is NonStop to the point where I was like ordering him stuff that he needs, like I would do anything for him to fuck me. He watched so much table tennis and we were done. He was like, yeah, let's try a new clip. Did and I'm like yo, and I would just lie and I can you use the paddle on me? Your ball swung at me? Yeah?

Can we ping dong? It's pretty It's pretty crazy, like the things we do, especially if we're in a certain point of our lives where you want it the most. And these cults and these play organizations and even someone like Jeffrey Epstein, they prey on that for for something like these leaders want something from you, whether it's your money or power, or they want you they just want

to feel like the center of the universe. And whether jever Epstein is like obviously using young women to lure these guys who are probably living seclusion, who are like the Prince, Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton or whatever, who you know, can't just go on sleep with someone randomly if they need to. This guy hooks them up and in exchange, he gets power over these people. It's pretty

it's fucking wild. They're so like there, I guess it's like I hate to say this because I know this can't be true, but I feel like there's this sadistic thing of like I can buy whatever I want. What's next, you know what I mean? And any girl will fuck me like what could be next? And I I feel like there's there has to be something adjacent with wealth and pedophilia for people. Yeah, there's people that are like I can get a Ferrari delivered to me right now,

fulfilled cash. But that doesn't But that isn't risky enough. I want to do this to somebody. It's terrible. I mean, that'sn't terrible. Commoditizes people, commoditizes children and said terrible. Fuck. I wonder how much pedavilia is related to that. And some of these cults are just like they just they just know you'll say yes, and they pray and they fucking use you as just ponds and their game of chess.

And you know, it's funny, like when you said about using sex to lure new members is just like blurty fishing for Jesus. It's like, what have you ever watched Jesus Camp? No, if anyone can watch this, it's not on Netflix anymore. But it was about not orthodox evangel yeah, evangelical Christians or whatever. Evangelical evangelical think you're gonna get

it out um. And it starts off with these kids hold like speaking in tongues and they talked to this little girl and they're like just so brainwashed this little girl. They're like, how could you at what? They say? What do you want to be when you grow up? She was like, um, I want to do nails because you could get people very relaxed. You know, you get them relaxed, you do their nails, and it's like then you just

start telling them about the Lord. And I was like, holy sh it, this little girl literally just say like, you get them relaxed, you get them in a place where you could talk to them and hold them as a kid. To know that you've been watching these people do dish it yeah, like I always funny, kind of odd when someone try sneaked in religion with random thing. You ever been in an uber and some guys you

want put on some music? Yeah, sure, it puts on some Christian rock, like okay, nice try all right once I'm Jewish. One star of David. Okay, all that was good. That's good, thank you, thank you. Okay. So this is not actually a cult. I'm gonna do for my second fact. This is actually a tactic cults use called love love bombing. Once people have been created by cult, they are often

quote unquote love bombed. The odd phrase is commonly used to describe the ways in which someone with low self esteem is consistently flattered, complimented, and seduced in order to train their brain to associate the cult with love and acceptance. Love Bombing is coordinated effort, usually under the direction of leadership, that involves long term members, flooding recruits and newer members with flattery, verbal seduction, affectionate but usually non sexual touching,

and lots of attention to their every remark. Love Bombing, or the offer of instant companionship, is as deceptive ploy accounting for many successful recruiment drives. The expression has also been used to describe the tactics used by pimps to control their victims. So it's crazy, it's like, God, they talk about that ship with pimps. I've heard this before. I've I've addressed it briefly with like sex trafficking. Yeah.

So let's just say you're someone who maybe come from a broken home, maybe you moved, maybe your parents, uh, you know, the abandoned you. And you're like plan of loss in this world. And you find this person who says, you know, has anyone said you're beautiful? And you're like, no is anyone? You know? You shoot, you shoot the ship and they laugh at everything you every joke you make. They just think you're amazing, and they introduce you to another group of people and like this is wheezy, and

I was like, hey, wheezy, I love your skin. Oh my god, where did you get that shirt? And you just feel like, oh my god. Like every I'm like the I'm like the highlight of this party. I'm on

the highlight of this I'm the center of attention. And people who are elders of you look at you like you're some sort of phenom or some sort of like blessed person who was like, oh my god, you have we have to get hert of we have to have her over for lunch, or we have to have her and then next you know, like and then like and

you're like, where are you staying tonight? Well, I'm thinking about getting a motel And you're like like stay here, and then you and and everyone's just all about you, and you've the first time you've had someone all about you and as strangers, and you just feel like you're getting something that you never got from friends from school, from I do just want to add in for for those of you that don't know, when people don't have money that joined colts, they work their way in that cult.

They're cooking, they're cleaning, they're doing something to contribute to that community in exchange for room and board generally. Yeah, and it's almost like an internship. You almost feel like, oh, this is going towards the greater thing, This is going towards me being up in this ladder in this group organization. Oh my god, Eddie, I don't know how I forget. When I was into Loom, we found people that it were in a call. It was a sex call, and the girl told us she found out because they were

starting her with like bottom jobs. So she's like, she was like, check, she was getting banged the most. Okay, okay, go, she's a model, Russian model, came from Miami. These rich guys were like, yo, come to Saloom, will take care of everything, like but you know, they kind of let her to believe she'd be fucking right. So she's like, I got here, gorgeous girls, the hotels, gorgeous, gorgeous hotel. Can I say the name? Fucking Amon Salas and Saloom.

Now they have a large property and at the time this zone of hotels was completely empty, so people would book out twenty rooms. So she said she went to a month solid. She was like, there were sex parties at night. There was drugs. It was fun. But what I started to realize, she said, once it was it became a cult was when I had to wake up and do certain jobs. She was like, Now, I started by like cleaning clothes for everybody, and she was like, and I didn't think it was a big deal because

like everything was covered. And then she said, a new girl came in, and then I started just like folding the clothes. She'd bring them from the laundromat. And then I would just do stuff in the house. I didn't have to be outside. And then another girl came. Then she started doing gros frees, like they took her jobs and put it down to someone else. And she went up a fucking ladder and she was like, once I realized it was a colt, I had to get the

funk out of there. I'm like, where you imagine. Imagine you're like a model type woman and you're you're sex hungry and you're getting dped by people in an orgy and then and then an hour later you're mopping a floor. That's not right, yo, But they're like, yo, bitch, humble yourself because you could be out of here. Mind you I'm like, I'm at the party. I'm telling the girl next to me, right, she's like the only other black person I met there. I was like this, she said.

She's like, ye I heard here, and we're just getting leaning and listening. Now we're trying to because mind you, the XPAC community was small, right, So I'm like, yo, who's in the cult? And she's like, okay, well I can't point directly, but three o'clock bread dressed. I was like, Oh, that's like it's like it's like get out the next you know, you're like mopping the floor. While some guys like, right to bang you. What happened to Wheezy? I don't

know that. Like they were probably like, you're so hot, you gotta come so beautiful. Oh my go look at her hair, look at her skin. Oh my god, you're so funny, you're so smart to the beach, come hang out with us. You want to do some blow off my tit? Wow boom love's love bombing. And you know what, I've never dealt or talk to anyone who has been involved in sex work. When it comes to the pampa, I imagine the same thing. This man or woman or whoever gives you this love and you feel like they're

a boyfriend or a partner. And the next thing you know, they're asking, can you just do this one thing? I need the money just and then next thing you know, drugs are involved. I'm not saying that happens all the time, but I'm saying the most terrible situations I love bombing is when it's it's predatorial. You see, they're missing this part of their life, and then you, as someone senior to them, you give them that and it's and you

can manipulate them. Who else has done this? Fun boys they love bombing until they sucked me and then they're done with me. Um, So beware, we've known this, ladies, so from my last fact, and I know we don't have a much time, but weird ass cult with another suicide thing and it was the biggest in history, the People's ten Pole. In nineteen fifty in Indiana, native Jim Jones, not the Rapper, he founded a church and he claimed

to promote socialism and equality. Socialism is basically where everybody you know kind of gets the same amount of money, et cetera or whatever. So it was a religious element of Christianity and initially he was a little more of a hustler who faked faith healings by having audience members. Uh, he would basically have he would like plant and pull chicken livers out of their mouths and like say that

like he was healing them from like some devil. But if the year progressed, people heard about it, and he demanded more and more followers. So he moves everyone in California. I don't know why they keep doing. This is a commune like kind of situation in Redwood Valley. He eventually became to believe that there was a nuclear war happening, and so he moved his followers again to the South American country of Guyana, where he said this would be

outside of the potential danger zone. So they lived there for several years and they called themselves the People's Temple Agricultural Project. But after some of the members started speaking out, the San Francisco congressman at the time decided to travel there to investigate the claims of abuse. His security guards opened fire um on the group that came the Congressman's group, and he ordered his followers to drink a cyanide laced beverage.

Interesting only enough, this is where the phrase drinking the kool aid original. A total of nine hundred and eighteen people died in the incident that was the largest of Americans in history until nine eleven. Nine hundred and eighteen people fucking died from the ship. Bro, that's a lot. Where do they find them in a field? We're like, where were they? And they were on their plantation or fucking I said plantation because the ship. I started thinking

his laves, like they're on their compound in uh Guyana. Yeah, And so they came down there, and I guess before when he shot at everybody, he was like, no, I guess we're all going down fun this ship, like the I'm not about to catch up. Nine ship is insane, dude, mass suicide. Um, I'm curious to know, like what the people were led to believe because he forced them to drink of it. But um. Also, he claims that the reason that they went to Guyana is because there was

the United States was a racist place. He said the temple concluded that Guyana was a place in a black country where black members could live in peace, and it was the only English speaking country in South America. Now you know, he was y'all gonna be all right here until we kill you. Um. But yeah, he it was that evening that they like open gunfire. Um, it was captured on video by n NBC and one of the

journalists was killed. And that evening he told everybody to drink it and two hundred seventy six of the people, which were kids. Oh sick. How do you get to nine people to agree with you that way? I mean, I can't even get like five people to eat the dip I bring to a party, you know what I mean. Like, I mean, it is honestly a lot of Now his children, they have some pictures of them. One of his kids is black, Jim W. Jones juniors, Stephen Gandhi Jones, Agnes Jones.

Like he's got a lot of kids, um. And one of the kids I mean Guyanese. Yeah he uh. They talk about the tragedy. There's a lot of accounts of this online, Like it was forty years I think it's been forty two years now since that. But I mean it's super interesting. I've heard of Jim Jones, but I didn't know it's nine people. That's a lot of people. Man. Yeah, I didn't know that much either. Can you that was the biggest until nine eleven is fucking insane. Dude. Wow,

and he got them all to go to Guyana with him. Huh. The fact that it's called drink the Koolid. By the way, the number changes sometimes, like Forbes reported it as three four children, one, other sources two. I guess this is what everybody thinks of age, but um, just in case, try to fact check me. But like, no, I mean, I think this is a honestly one of the most shocking because I can't believe he got that many people

to comply. Yeah. It's It's one thing to like move people and think, oh, this person is super talented, I'll buy what a record that come out with, or I am all about whatever this person likes to wear. I want to wear it. But to really follow someone in every path they take you down, including death, Yeah, it's a it's a It's a perfect mix between someone being super influential and find someone who's super super impressionable, and then they just they they think they're helping each other

when in fact one is taking badget over. What's interesting is someone has spoken out. She She tells The Atlantic that she figures like, oh, I'll just go down there and if I don't like it. She was nineteen when she joined, and she was like, if I don't like it, like I can just leave. But she said she was homeless. A man came alongside her in a van and basically Um was like, Hey, this is where I live. No one has to worry about food or housing, and we're

gonna build people a new future. And she was like, oh, I just get out. She was homeless anyway, And forty years later she had opened up about it and basically said she was with him for seven years in California, UM and that people were warm, they worked hard to build a utopian community, and he was very passionate about civil rights. He helped in a great churches, hospitals, restaurants, movie theater, UM, and he adopted lots of of color.

Then he had a black hid himself. So UM many of in the majority of followers that died with him were black, and one third of them. So it's crazy because it's like, how you about the civil rights? But

you did all this to us. But she got out three weeks before the massacre, and uh yeah, I mean she uh I think she she told a story and something called oh She said that he included the mass suicide and rehearsals that he would call the White Knights, and basically she had a realization that he was going to kill her. She that's why she left. And uh yeah, she said that he was kind of like re enacting it a few times. Wow, they had rehearsals and how

they're going to kill each other. Oh God, this is creepy. My last cult is a really wild one that I've never heard of. I know I sons called. It's called Chinao called Chin Tao was a cult formed by a former professor called Hong Ming Chin, who believed that the universe four point five trillion years old, that we each had three souls, and that humanity has been rescued for more than more than once by God who travels in a flying saucer. This is out there. These are UFO cults. Okay,

that's a UFO called. The group reportedly moved to Garland, Texas because the name sounded like god Land, which is probably because of an Asian accent. Uh god. Ok. At the time, the group had roughly hundred sixty members, forty of which were children. Members purchased more than two twenty homes in an upper middle class South Garland neighborhood. Like their neighbors, these followers were white collared professionals, some of

whom were reportedly wealthy. They dressed in uh all in white and wore cowboy hats and of luxury car So this guy recruited some real business people and brought them over to Texas from I think it was I think it was Taiwan. Anyway, the group was best known for being hilly publicized and failed by a millennial prophecy. So this guy promised something and this is how he lost

all his fellowship. Shortly after moving to Garland. In August ninety seven, Chen predicted that at twelve or one am on March God would be seen on every single television channel all across North America. Whether or not the person had cable service was irrelevant to God's appearance on that channel when predicted. When the When the predicted appearance did not occur, the group became confused. The chan and the Chentel leader announced that he obviously had misunderstood God's plan,

and members quietly returned to their homes. Chen offered to be was offered to be stoned or crucified for the event, but no one took up up on his offer. He later disappeared and was never heard from again. No one knows where he is. You think he was like schizophrenic and really heard it. I think this guy was lost

his mind and said, watched twelve oh one. God's gonna give an answer to everybody, And they all looked and nothing happened, and he's like, um, yeah, maybe check your phone, okay, And then everyone sort of was like, here's a thing, though, if you're going to run a cult, you almost want to keep it with mystery. If you say something's gonna happen, doesn't happen, and I mean what, and your believers are like,

I don't get it, and they all disbanded him. First of all, I said, it's a possibility, y'all take my ship too serious. I would have been like, you know how hard is to go viral? You think God's gonna get on every TV. There's a lot of cool shows out there right now. Because we are not in Garlin. We are not in the right one. Garland Gotland, good one.

There's not a wild So he basically convinced a bunch of people over an Asia that that you know, uh, we have three souls and we should all moved to Garland, Texas. They all bought homes and apparently if anyone here is listening, and we got a lot of listeners in Texas and anyone who was close to Garland, apparently it's a known thing that like Garland had to deal with this issue. And the city was like, what do we do. There's a legit cult and some of the members still walk

around to this day. That's still believe in his work. But but the religion disbanded and they were like all white with a cowboy hats and cowboy boots and their Asian is that crazy? So if you see Asian and Garland sex, you'd be like hold on. So you'll be watching cable this whole time, and Spectrum gave you nothing. So that's another way. And when you hear a coltsy thing that big, you think is scientology even like the gym Jones one. Is it Jim Jones or is it Yeah?

But some of these other ones are just like wild and some of the tactics they use is crazy. So let's you gotta run down, let me see what you got. Let's see here we go here we go, Here we go. My first fact was about Heaven's Gate and the five dollars and seventy five cents and taking their body to the next level and castrating motherfucker's then Eddie matter of factors.

Eddie then did his first one was the weight loss lighting name Gwen Trevanni shambling whatever I say it, because I thought wins to Vranni, That's what My second one was then about Children of God and how they were flirting, fishing, getting UM members in there with little girls. And then Eddie's second one was about the tactics, particularly love bombing, about all the compliments and how we've seen it used

with pimps and funk boy today as it stands. And my last one was about the People's Temple, Jim Jones bringing a bunch of people to Diana, killing a total nine eighteen people. And Eddie's last one, as he had just heard, was about Garland, Texas. Yeah, the Chin the China cult. And he said God's gonna God's gonna show up on TV And then I was like, no, where is he? Maybe he meant Pacific time. Oh my god, Oh man, what a great episode, what a great episode,

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