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Hmm. This is the Daily Technoist for Wednesday, November 6, 2024. From Studio Animal House, I'm Sarah Lane. Here in Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson. And on the show's producer, Roger Chan. We were talking about the 90s before the show, and we'll probably go back to the 90s in GDI, so stick with us if you can. But before we go into, yes. nostalgia era, let's start with the quick cuts. The European Commission has launched an anti-trust investigation into Corning.
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This is designed to preserve access to the switch game library, which wasn't possible with prior console upgrades like the transition from the Wii U, for example. Nintendo Switch Online, which provides retro games catalogs, among other things, will also carry over to the new console. How excited are we about this? It's exciting in one way, because we haven't heard much about this new console really at all, other than it's rumored to be announced in full. We'll get to see it.
It's features where it looks like physically all that stuff. Sometime before the end of the year, I think they need to hurry up. I bet we see something in December that gives us a little more information. This is a big deal, because a lot of people have been concerned about recent console chefs for Nintendo, where they didn't carry forward compatibility to play the previous titles.
Before I jump on them entirely for that, because I do criticize them for that, it is true that in the past they've done this with a few things. If you had a Game Boy color or a regular Game Boy before you picked up a Game Boy advance, those Game Boy cartridges would also work in your advance. The same thing happened when they went to the DS design for at least a while until they changed a couple of designs. The cartridges from the GBA library would move forward into the DS library.
Same thing goes for Game Cube to switch to the Wii. Those little tiny Game Cube discs also worked in a Wii drive. It's not like they've never done it, but they're also famous for locking things behind fake vaults and saying, well, you're not going to be able to play that again until we squeak it out somewhere, which drives a lot of piracy around their classic games and this sort of stuff. We've talked about this many times on the show.
This is a great foot forward to say, look, we're living in a time where a lot of these games are purely digital. Yes, people are still buying cartridges and we've yet to see where this slot will be and will it be a new slot in addition to another slot or will they all use the same cartridge format moving forward? There's some questions about that. They didn't answer yet.
But if you have the games, especially digitally, bought them on the store, you'll be able to download them and play them on whatever the Switch 2 is. That's a big deal. The online services will carry for it because that means anything you bought on those services, anything you are currently playing competitively, even free to play games, those will carry over it. That means your scores, your saves, all of that stuff should move forward with the device.
One would hope in perpetuity beyond whatever the Switch 2 is if it's a Switch 3 or a whole new world for Nintendo. That's the big question for me because they do have the short term, yes, we're moving the library forward moments. They've always had them. But they never carry through the entire catalog, say, like your Xbox library for the most part, or even some PlayStation titles. Certainly PCs are very good at this, just carrying it through for decades.
Whether they're going that far or not is yet to be seen. But I do see this as a positive thing, even though we don't really have that much information outside of this about the device. So for anybody who's sort of like, well, hold on, why wouldn't Nintendo have not done this before? It has this big story now. Why do you think Nintendo is such an outlier in the space of just being like, we do things the way that we do things?
Yeah, I think they're really three philosophies and all three big players in the market adhere to one of them. You have Microsoft on one end where they, at least outwardly, have been very pro, backwards compatibility, bringing old titles forward, making them work again, essentially just keeping people's investments active in the ecosystem. Yeah. And they've made that a priority. Sony is somewhere in the middle. They've done this with recent stuff.
So your PlayStation 4 games, often for the most part, will play just fine on a PlayStation 5. The three was using a very different chip architecture and very different kind of console back then. So it wasn't as easy. So they haven't worked that hard to bring that stuff forward the way Microsoft has really negligible results. But those are the two differences there.
With Nintendo, they've always kind of been the one who's like, enjoy this and Mario experience while you can because once the super Nintendo goes out of production, you'll not play it anywhere until we say where you can play it and we'll bring it out again and you'll pay for it again. It's just kind of their thing. And that does work. Sure. And many times that sort of like, you know, I mean, we're just, this is, you know, you're going to have to sort of chase this fun.
That works until it doesn't. I think Nintendo probably has enough competition at this point where the company is like, I mean, that didn't really work. Yeah. I think that they could do both is what I would like them to do. I would like them to be able to say, here's a game that is very unique to the system. It's on to the era that came out. And you should be able to keep playing that and having that regardless of what device you're on.
I think they should be able to do that and also say, and guess what this fall, we have a completely remastered version of this game, you know, advanced wars for the DS. And now it's in full 3D, they actually did this, bring that out also. So people who have advanced wars are happy to play their little pixelated thing they bought no for, let them keep doing that.
And for those who want to play this hot new, you know, $49 download that looks beautiful and is all blown out remastered and everything, let them have that also. I think you, I think you actually hurt yourself by saying, well, there's no other way than to do it this way. Right. Let them have a choice. You'll still sell tons of the remakes and you'll do just fine. And I do think Nintendo will come around.
I think they kind of have to because gamers are starting to expect this and if you don't do it, you're weird. So what is the game that you're most looking forward to playing on the Switch 2? Oh, man, a bunch of Switch 1 games that I haven't played because I feel like the consoles too long in the tail. Like there's some games in particular, the latest Zelda title that I did not pick up and play at all, not because I don't want to. It's just because I'm. Oh, breath of the wind.
Or the, well, breath of the wilds the first one. That's what the second one was. The point is breath of the wind. I want to, I want to play that on a console that's more capable, that will give me more than 30 frames. Like this kind of stuff I can expect from a new console and these older games are still going to look amazing and by older, I mean, five, 10 years old. So you know, that's what I've been waiting for. So there's not just stack of those.
The latest Metroid games, one of those, there's a bunch of these where I would love to finally play them, but I don't want to play them on my device I bought in 2017. Um, well, how do you feel about URLs that you might have bought back in, you know, the 90s, Scott? Well, I have a lot of them that I've sat on since 1996 or so and I don't know. Really? I don't think any of them are worth anything. So tell me, tell me. No, you never know.
That's actually always a fun conversation where I'm like, oh, do you have URLs that you're setting on and people are like, oh, I've got 10. Do you want to know about them? You know, that kind of thing. But in this vein, open AI bought the URL chat.com as of this morning, chat.com now redirects to open AI's AI power chat bot, which is chat GPT and open AI spokesperson confirmed the acquisition to tech wrench over email. Now chat.com has a bit of a story stream.
It was registered in September of 1996. That's when, you know, people were doing some land grabs. Next year, so 2023, it was reported that HubSpot, CoFounder and CTO, Darmesh Shaw acquired chat.com for $15.5 million, making it one of the top two all time publicly reported domain sales. The domain name doesn't appear to have changed hands since its old last year, indicating that open AI isn't necessarily hosting chat GPT on chat.com.
So this probably doesn't represent a brand change, but it might, if open AI actually owns that. Open AI declined to say how much it paid for chat.com. So Scott, what the heck has happened? Well, I think what we're seeing is the continued since the 90s. There's been a value placed on high target URLs that are short, that are easy to say. They might even just come to your name naturally, your voice naturally, and that you can just quickly type in and get to where you want to go.
I think chat.com is one of those. It would be like buy.com or you know, I mean chat.com back in the day, I would be like, well, what's a four? But now I'm like, oh my gosh, that yeah, I mean, we're, this is a $15 million URL.
Yeah, I mean, it seems clear to me, the reason that is a completely different story, but the reason Musk's held on so tightly to that X.com domain is because that is, that is a prime piece of unrealistically acquired real estate, you can't find single to four name URLs anymore that are worth much because they're all taken. They're all just taken or being squatted on for ridiculous amounts of money.
So I think that's a big part of this and it doesn't matter what phase of the web we're in, 2.0, 3.0, moving on to 4.0, it will always be an advantage to have a URL as long as we're using browsers in the future. And you see no reason why we won't be for the considerable amount of time, short, easy to remember URLs are a huge marketing boom. So that part makes sense to me. This also could be temporary, right? If you go to chat.com right now, like you said, it just forwards to chat GPT.
That makes sense. They've acquired a thing that is no longer out there causing people to go there if they misunderstood where to go. Well, I thought this was chat GPT. Well, it is now. Now they go there and it works. But I also think they could do things with the URL later, maybe not a full rebrand, but chat.com could become the public facing version of what they do or something like that. I mean, imagine you're watching the Super Bowl, right? And so there are a bunch of advertisements.
And people who hear something like chat GPT, some of us know what that means. I mean, all of us on the show knows what that means. But you have like someone being like, I don't know what that GPT, I don't want to do any of that tech stuff. But chat.com, oh, okay, that's easy, even though it's the exact same product. I think that's probably where the company is going. It's like, okay, we've definitely captured the tech person market. But what about all the other people who can have fun with this?
Yeah, I think the company is going with that. I agree with you. Chat GPT, still to this day, even though I know fully what it is and we're all integrated into the guys to the internet culture. We all know it's at GPT is what it is. It is a terrible name. It's too, I'm going to say too technical, but it just has, it has the quality of, it doesn't mean anything. No, it doesn't mean anything to normal people, exactly.
But chat, going to a thing and chatting to a computer to an AI and asking questions and getting results, that's really good marketing. So the fact they didn't have anything prepared for this other than just a forwarding is a little weird because I think they could have really come out of the gate strong with it, but they could still do this. So I guess it is kind of a rebrand. It can still be chat GPT. Go to chat.com for more. Like that's it.
Like that's an easy thing to say in the Super Bowl and everybody will go. Mark my words. They're going to do, I don't know. I mean, I could be wrong. I'm not a betting man, but they're going to have a commercial where it's like, do you want to know everything about the universe? People of the world chat.com. I just, I know that's what they're doing. Yeah. I mean, in a way they kind of are, they just haven't put the marketing wrap around it and they haven't made it public facing like that.
But they could. This is still, it really is still a conversation that I feel like I'm having with like tech-minded folks. And we all, you know, either agree or disagree about how this AI or LOM works, you know, versus another one. And there are other options. You know, open AI is often brought up because it's in the news a lot. But it's only one of many. And so chat GPT is, again, I've had like my own family members who aren't even, you know, they're relatively the same ages made.
They're just not in my universe. Be like, well, what, why? Why, why is it called that? Which just sounds so weird. Is it like a NASA thing? And I'm like, no, it's not a NASA thing. That's the trick. It sounds all highfalutin and it isn't. Or at least they don't want it to be for the average person. When they started the thing, they had a high-minded, technical ideas about where this was all headed.
Now, it's a much, much more common thing to just know what chat GPT is or if you don't know it, freak chat a little. So bring it toward the center a little bit, get people a little less freaked out. Chat.com is easy. People get how to go. And bam, there's your, there's your rerid. I think that they probably are headed there eventually, but it seems clear to me with the forwarding we're going to be a little bit more. Even if it's like chat.com and then you get a QR code.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, it just, it just makes sense. So kudos to them. Don't know where you paid for it, but it was probably more than 15.5 million, which is what the previous person paid for it. If you have thoughts on chat GPT chat.com, QR codes or anything that we talk about on the show, we want to hear from you. Email us at feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance.
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So only four will remain. Black Mirror, Bander Snatch, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Kimmy versus the Reverend, Ranveer versus Wild with Bear, Grillis, and You versus Wild. The move follows a statement from Netflix's GP of Gen I AI for Games, Mark Verdou, to Steven Tutilo from Game Piles that the company just simply isn't developing interactive titles anymore. So, Scott, what do you make of that?
I think it leads down the same road that we had a discussion about last weekend, the week before, about Netflix pulling their AAA studio that they were building prematurely. Well, not prematurely. Only two years in, no game to show for it, they just shut it down. There's a lot of reasons for that, but I think what we're seeing is like a consistent way that Netflix does experimentation.
And this is yet another example of a, they'll experiment with something and some of this has been around for a while. So it's not like it's overnight or anything. But they'll try something like this, whether it's games, mobile games, we're buying a studio, we're building a studio, we're going to have interactive TV, whatever it is, they do a little bit, they dabble, they don't exactly market at hardcore, they just sort of let it live on the service.
And it shows up in press releases, but the general public usually runs into it because they're just, yeah, exactly. They usually, what'll happen is I'm on Netflix and I'm screwing around and I go, band or snatch, the heck is that? I know it, black mirror. That's how people discover these things. So my thinking is twofold.
One, this is them experimenting again and going, okay, we tried that, we have some cool tech from it, we'll keep a few around, but yeah, we're good, we're going to move on and that's just their modus. But the other thing I think is going on here is the numbers were just bad. Like sometimes that's just really all it comes down to, not enough people cared to do it. And also not enough people cared to do it more than once, you know what I mean?
But were the numbers bad because it wasn't marketed appropriately? Well, that's, I mean, you could put a pun of blame on them for that, I think. I think that's fair. Because I mean, I'm an, I, I have Netflix, I'm not, not really the target market for this, but I also felt like I was like, where, where, like I don't see that stuff. Where is it? Yeah, it's not, it's not easy to see. It's the same as their game stuff, although that's starting to be more visible than above the fold.
But the problem with that is, is that discoverability is bad. They don't market it. So that's also bad. And then once you've done it, why would you go back?
Like there, that's the other thing that this needs to find, like the magic sauce in interactive fiction, outside of gaming and things like that, where you're watching it and sort of choosing your own adventure, the trick there is for them to figure out a way to make it feel new every time you go there and not go, oh, well, I already did that. I don't need to do it again. It's a little bit like a ride at Disneyland. Imagine one that you love and you've done it, but you've done it 50 times.
You're like, I need something, I need something new. There's that problem. Here's what I predict they're working on because there was another announcement this week. You guys may have covered it. I haven't heard all the shows this week, but there was talk that they were going to really engage with some AI generative AI stuff to build content. And no one's really sure what they mean, whether it's for games, for television, for what it is.
But if you think about it, one of the potential is, I'm going to use the big P word on this one. If potentially use cases for generative AI, done ethically, hopefully, I don't know how you do it, but anyway, let's say you do it ethically somehow, magically. This seems like a good place for it. Now you're talking about interactive reusable content that is generated potentially on the fly based on your choices.
And you don't have to go do triple shoots of a scene because there's five different outcomes or three different outcomes in your triple shoot. Well, if the user clicks this, we need to have the actors do this. If they click this, they're over here in a fire. That's expensive, time consuming, and a nightmare if you're trying to keep production pipeline going. So, to me, it seems like a little bit of a no brainer is to move maybe into some kind of hybrid animation thing.
It doesn't have to be live action, but it's all generated either based on your choices or there's just a ton more of it pre-generated because it's at a fraction of the cost and time investment it would take to do it with real people. That's just a guess that they're working on that. I also, you know, and these are not games that I've ever interacted with. So I don't have, you know, hands on the ground, feet on the ground, whatever the term is. It's up on the ground.
Experience, anything on the ground. But I also, you know, unbreakable chemism, for example, funny show, like it. I don't think I watched the latest season because I don't know. I just, there are too many things to watch. But I'm sort of like, is that something that I want to control myself or do I want to just sit back and watch the show? Well, it's another great point. And I think that's something that Netflix was sort of wondering, like how many people want to maybe do both?
Maybe do one or the other? Yeah, I think that that's, I'm really glad you brought that up because there is this whole other issue of what our adoption of it. And it goes to the numbers whether they were good or not. We don't know what those numbers were because they're not saying. But my guess is there's a big part of this where, look, I come to turn this on to be entertained and have something crafted for me.
I want to hear a story and I want to see that story play out and I don't, I don't want to tell part of it. Like if I wanted to do that, I really would go play a video game. Yeah, like I don't, I want a choice. I want you to just give me. Yeah. And if I don't like the episode, I'll be like, that was a horrible episode, right? You know, a friend of mine. Take care. Yeah. But if they, I guess what I'm saying is if there's a way to squeeze out of this, again, AI is probably your only way to do it.
But squeeze out of this almost a near infinite sort of, a real, you know, video version of Zorak where I get to go Northwest, East, South, or whatever. And my story is different than anyone else's could possibly be. And if I did it again, my story would vary like create like that kind of variety is a holy grail for all kinds of content.
And I think that they, I think if they're working on that and they already have the interactive tool part of it that people have been doing already with these shows that are either being pulled or a couple that are staying, then they'll build that out and try that. And then we'll get another experiment. People who either love it or they'll hate it. And if the numbers are great, they'll keep it. And if they're not, then move on to whatever's next. This is just Netflix's little brand now.
That's what they do. Yeah. I can, I can see. So I can see, let's say that Black Mirror, you know, isn't going to come back for a couple of years. Yeah. And Netflix is like, let's, you know, let's have everybody play a game and like share it socially and, you know, have fun and be like, look at, you know, what my situation turned out like. And that kind of thing can keep the momentum in the lull between, you know, seasons of shows that people really care about.
That's another good way of aiming it, right? To say, look, you know, you're waiting two years for this final season of whatever popular show it is. Why not fiddle around in this little middle space? It's kind of like a game and it's your favorite character's doing their thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why they've created any of what they've done so far like that.
They've all treated it like little extras like, hey, you know, you like, Kemi Schmidt, what if there is a little separate thing over here that you did and they haven't really positioned it as like a hold me over. But yeah, that's an interesting point, like there's, that's why I think they do this this way is they're not sure what all the angles are yet. And so they're just poking. It's like, well, let's try this. Oh, that kind of worked. Yeah. That was fun.
But didn't really exactly achieve the goal we wanted. Like that actually sounds like a lot of fun as much as I don't, you know, some people probably get put out of work and things change and all that. But I like the idea of experimentation. It's easy to pile on Netflix, but I actually think this is smart. Well, I mean, Netflix is not the only company to be like, you know what, maybe we should do this.
Yeah. You know, and let's hire a whole team and, you know, a couple of years later, it's like, yeah, let's maybe scale back that team. Sure. Absolutely sucks for anybody who lost their job. But, you know, if it's not resonating, then you kind of have to go back to the drawing board. Right. Yep. Fair point.
Well, if you have thoughts on anything that we talk about on the show, I keep telling you this, but I'm going to tell you again, feedback at dailytechnoshow.com is where to send that email, speaking of emails. Derek posted this comment on Patreon about our discussion of eVTAL trips from Manhattan to airports. Derek says, Blade operates airport Manhattan helicopter service that flies multiple times per day. I used it to fly from LaGuardia to Manhattan two years ago, and it was money well spent.
Oh, very nice. Yeah, we were talking pre-show about where all these airports are. The confusion around us figuring out where the location is for all the airports in New York was a good argument for this. You know what I mean? Quick or shuddling between things. I appreciate it. I have to get on a flight for the first time in, can't even tell you how long it's been since I've been on a plane more than a year, well more than a year, on Saturday.
And I'm like, all right, I'm going to Burbank, and Saturday, so the traffic might not be that bad. I'm telling you, everything would be solved, I was just like, and I've gone into the sky and now I'm at the airports. Yep. I would solve everything. How much easier would it be if you could just walk out your front door, you're in the air, and you're off. Oh man. Right. Yeah. I mean, even if there are other eVs in the air, it's not going to be like the freeway. Mm-hmm. Lots of air.
We got a lot of air. Yeah. Yeah, we've got a lot of room. All right. Well, still early days, even though we've been talking about it for years, but Scott Johnson, we talked to you for many years as well. Let folks know where they can keep up with your latest. Well, the place to go would be frogpants.com and the reason you would go there is you would find access to all the podcasts. There are numbers of them.
I think hitting any real possible interest you might have in some area or another, and I think you should go check it out. I also put some really cool stuff up on the store over there. Lots of reasons to check out frogpants.com and really none that I can think of not too. So check it out. It's frogpants.com and thanks for doing it. Thank you, Scott Johnson. Paytrends, stick around for our extended show. Good day. Internet keeps rolling on.
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