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It's not the last or even the definitive one in this case. New York federal judge Colleen McMahon though dismissed a lawsuit from raw story and alternate. Those companies had accused open AI of violating the DMCA by removing the author names titles and other identifying information from the articles it used to train its large language models. Judge McMahon ruled that the companies failed to show a cognizable injury from the actions. In other words, they couldn't show how they were harmed.
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So you just press, you know, little share button and then send it to TikTok and it will make a little album art card for you. You can share single tracks, whole albums, playlists and with Spotify, you can even share podcasts and audiobooks. You can do it as a DM or you can post it to stories or the feed. You can share it as a video or a photo. That default image and title would appear behind you with the green screen feature on the video.
Viewers then see where you shared it from and so they can then go click on that and it'll take you back to Spotify or Apple Music to listen to the whole track. It does seem like this is TikTok finally playing nice with the music industry, right? Because it's sending traffic to the platforms, not just taking it from them and then of course the music labels work well. When I don't know if this is going to affect your life at all, but what do you think?
I mean, I think like I'm always for the high tide lips all both and it makes a lot of sense. As someone who I guess in the last year has had learned how hard it is to promote and get awareness on your podcast, I think this makes a lot of sense. I think that kind of backtracking which is always difficult because I think so many times I listen to a TikTok or watch a TikTok. We don't just listen to it. We watch them if you have sight.
It's that kind of like connecting it to the source which is always the hard part which I guess is sticky for certain things. I don't want to say necessarily, yay, all the big industries are going to get more money or traffic or revenue from somewhere or another. I think it makes sense for creators and things like that to be able to have that visibility. I like it. I like it. I like it. The whole thing with TikTok is not every single TikTok I watch is a music track, but many are.
For TikTok to say, apple, Spotify, we know you're getting it from your sources anyway. Let's all play nice together. I watch one of when extremely cool exercise videos. There's a cool song. I'm like, it's on Apple Music. Cool. I already subscribed to Apple Music. Now I know more about that song that I wouldn't have heard otherwise. That's where I think this is ongoing.
The way that would work is when you would have to share the song into TikTok and then do your exercise video in the green screen mode in front of the album art and then it would link back to the song. That could work, right? That could work. That could work. Even if you didn't have the album art, you could just say, this is where it came from. But then you don't get the track back stuff. You don't get the link back stuff. You have to do the album art?
Well, that's the way it works. You press share from Spotify. It creates the little card of like, you know, I see. It has to be first in videos somehow. That's interesting. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I think that for some people, they'll be like, I don't care. I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to rip songs otherwise. But TikTok, wanting to play nice in general with a variety of, you know, regional folks.
This makes sense. And I'm not much of a Spotify user, but I am an Apple Music user and certainly Apple podcasts. So yeah. I tried it out. There's a song about GPT out from a group called Stacey. And so I wanted to try this out. So I was like, I would never have made a TikTok video about this. But it was kind of fun to be like, let me just share the track. And then I wrote in the commentary. I didn't do the video.
I wrote in the commentary like first first song I've seen about the the transformer. Here it is. And then people can go check it out. So it was a way, I granted I was doing this to try out how it worked. But it was a way to create content that I wouldn't have created otherwise. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, TikTok. It would be nice if it was more integrated. I think that's the thing with Instagram like you were saying, Sarah.
Thank you for always like, you know, giving me props and makes exercise videos. But it's integrated, right? If anyone's not watching one's exercise videos, I mean, talk about inspiration. I mean, seriously. But I do like that because you can pick, you know, licensed music as a, you know, a backing track basically. And I mean, I just feel like that would work so well with the existing TikTok model that it's, it's there.
It can be transparent, but that it that there is a link back. Maybe that's for the future once they get this like particular feature and work out all the, you know, like logistics and revenue, etc. It's that are all that. But I would like that as a feature request. TikTok folks just saying like, make it down. Take it down. Take it. Take it.
And then real quickly, since we're talking about TikTok, Derek on Patreon wanted to clarify, Canada is not shutting down TikTok or access to TikTok from Canada. They've told the Canadian Division of TikTok corporation to wind up operations. They said clearly the Canadians can still access and post content to TikTok. That's what we said yesterday on the show. But in the discussion, we sort of ranged into speculation about like, well, what if they did ban TikTok entirely? So good good to.
Derek is yeah, just just just to just clarify like keeping it real. Canadians, that's not what's happening at this point. And I wrote about this in my substack newsletter today. I think it is really interesting that they're not going the root of India or the United States in saying, ISPs have to block it or app stores have to stop listing it. They are merely shutting down the operation in the country that will make it harder to sell ads and such like that.
It implies to me that Canadians security concerns are about personnel, not as much about the app, which makes more sense to me. Well, as somebody who is eagerly awaiting my new Mac mini, which I have talked about ad nauseam for quite some time now, Apple has expanded high power mode. If you don't know what that is, it's Apple's feature in Mac OS, Ventura and later, which to up until now has allowed better performance for demanding workloads.
To max with the M4 Pro chip, including the Mac mini, now getting it. Now if you're like, well, wait a second, I already had this. It was previously only available for the 14 inch MacBook Pro with M3 Max and the 16 inch MacBook Pro with either the M1 Max, M2 Max or M3 Max. So the M4 Pro powered Mac mini now gets access to high power mode as do the 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pros that Apple also announced.
Designed to boost fan speeds to support heavy workloads. Sounds promising, ours Technica and some other folks who have gotten early testing capabilities say, you know, actual performance boost, not that much overall. Slight lift and GPU heavy tasks like video rendering, but you know, a little bit of a boost. The downside also apparently includes fan noise and for anybody, including me, who has Apple Silicon, you know, in any sort of Mac, the whole point is like, oh, it's super silent.
So reviews pretty positive even for entry level minis, but when I know that you do a lot of testing based on your work. So what do you think about this? I'm actually pretty excited about it. And this is, I mean, is it just for the GPU or is it just see is our CPU boost as well or is it just GPU boost? Well, it's both, both, but it's it sounds marginal. Okay. So this is really interesting because even as an Android developer, I would say like it's very most of us use Macbooks.
And that's because Mac OS is kind of built on top of Unix. And so a lot of that plus my line stuff help us in our day to day job. So just letting you know Android folks are Android fans were probably using Mac's I am. And it's really interesting because one of the limiting factors of productivity for an Android developer is actually building your app, just that whole process of turning code into a binary.
And while there's a lot that can be done from the Google side, the tooling side of that, a lot of the solutions in the last I'd say ever since Apple Silicon came out, a lot of the solutions that we've had is just buying more powerful Macs to get us like a reduction in that build time and to get some more productivity back.
It's a whole thing. It's like a whole thing build times and just buying not even kidding buying Apple Silicon has been a solution. So there's a lot of things that go into this like you know and and most of us have MacBook pros. I mean, I think that's fair to say, but for companies that have a little less resourcing that can't buy a burn a MacBook Pro all the time.
The Mac menus and other kind of more desktop devices have been really appealing. So I'm all for this, like even if it's like a moderate, even if it's like like kind of negligible to moderate increase, I'm actually really excited for it. And I think that's it's just kind of the world that I live in as a dev is that yes, a little bit of CPU boost can save me some time compiling and maybe corporate that sounds really lame and corporate. But it is there. But it's true. It's true.
And even just like I'm trying to give like an example that going too deep, but like when I'm building a UI, a lot of times I just have to keep building over and over and over again. And there's a big difference between having like having to wait a minute versus having to wait 20 seconds for something to to to recompile.
And that's like the level we're at we're just like trying to shave off seconds just so that we don't have to break context flow. So yeah, it's I know it doesn't seem like a lot, but I'm I'm all for anything that gives me a few extra seconds back. Yeah, ours technical says at least on the Mac mini. So so this was a feature only for max chips and ultra chips before so you can get it in the laptops. You just couldn't get it in the mini.
And for the mini, the the amount was so negligible, they didn't bother to make charts to show the difference on the CPU tests. They saw an upward nudge in a couple of GPU tests and the apple has said you probably see the benefit more on the GPU side than the CPU side anyway.
So I don't know that it matters now, but it is interesting to see them at least enable that advantage because I think it points to the future of like I don't know if it's other Mac minis or M5s or something might be able to make better use of this and maybe it's in the laptops and not in the minis.
Yeah, I mean a lot of this also sounds like it's really like do you care about fan noise or do you not care about fan noise. I didn't you to care about fan noise because I had it when I was running something that you know was was making my laptops wet a little bit you know or my desktop type thing.
Now I'm like, oh wow, you know my poor Mac mini that is still sitting on my desk, you can't see it, but I'm sorry Mac mini. I really do love you circa 2018, but you know that thing, I mean it was like we seen truly you know and that's what for quite some time we were just used to you know if a computer is really being put to the test, it's going to be like.
You know fan cool you know and all that stuff and we're getting to a point now where we have computers and this is not just Apple you know it's you know a variety of variety of. Manufacturers can do this that a computer is sort of expected to just be sort of silent and not in the way and you know if you're going to if you're going to go high power mode it's going to be less silent.
Yeah I think in this case it's it's sort of just a fan noise mode right it doesn't give you enough power so it's like well if I want to hear some fan noise I can turn on high power mode in the back. It is like a almost like a how can I I had the word of second to go like a new kind of decor or politeness like especially on calls and you know ever.
I just stuck with me because I didn't want to say the word like it's like so I had a 2018 MacBook Pro for a long time and at some point it just started to send like a jet edge and every single time I used it to the point it got distracting on calls so then it becomes kind of like a kind of like being considerate to your call mates to not have your.
The jet engine to be distracting so I mean I don't personally care and I probably would run high power mode when I'm just at my desk alone but I mean hey there you go just it's just now considered polite to have a quiet computer yeah indeed well if you have a thought about what else is considered polite in your computing world or anything at all you can email us our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com.
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During its Q3 earnings call last Tuesday Google CEO soon darpachai made mention that more than 25% of new code at Google is generated by some kind of AI with human programmers reviewing and improving the outputs of course. Pichai also stated we're also using AI internally to improve our coding processes which is boosting productivity and efficiency back in February business insider reported that Google had spun off a model from Gemini for internal use called goose.
That model was trained on Google's 25 years of software development letting it generate a modified code using natural language queries. So it's probably goose that's being talked about when Pichai says they're getting 25% of the code from their own internal models when you're a developer for Android how does this news land with you.
I have to be when I first read that article I was a little bit skeptical because 25% felt particularly high but I think it makes a lot of sense kind of looking into goose and seeing that is a very like tailored model to how Google. You know the Google in internal practices and I mean okay I'll say I've been extremely like not quiet about my dislike of the general like the general.
AI craze right now but as a developer it's almost like I'm the complete opposite and it's been I think I could quickly came around to the idea that this is a very empowering and a very like I hate using the product productivity word again because it just sounds a little too corporate.
But it it is a really big productivity boost and it can allow us to do some really cool things so I think that now that I think about it more it makes a lot of sense and I think it is it is something that we're going to be continuing to see and be continuing to use and it it really will. I think for on average like make lives better for developers I really really do.
But yeah it really kind of depends though I I think it just depends on like for example Google using their own internal model that's I can't even I'm trying to think of a metaphor for that but it it's like yeah it it makes a lot of sense for them to get that kind of level of productivity out of it it it sounds scary and I have real to asking me are you are you okay. Are you going to have a job yeah are you going to get replaced by goose.
Yeah that's you know that's the whole thing I mean as somebody who's actually a developer when you say as a developer it is helpful as a human outside of that realm you're not so sure what do you mean by that. So the problem that I have with a lot of generative AI things as a develop as a person as a human being is that a lot of the generative AI people treat as factual when it's kind of not like treating it as if it was like Wikipedia or a trusted new source when we all know that.
You know even Google AI switch resorts a chat GPT can be a little bit wrong can give you inconsistent information and not actually be factual. Whereas it's really interesting because programming is more not to sound too high for a little bit of a job is a more creative right there there's not a single truth necessarily to how you solve a problem it's like iteration and trying to figure out both your preference and the right thing for the task and I think that actually is.
A very compelling use case for things like generative AI and LLM's because a lot of our job is connecting dots finding patterns and you know making a solution out of those things which is really really perfect I mean like how many times if you had like a bug in your app is never going to have a bug list application and so in that context I think LLM's can be useful as long as you have a little bit of.
Like I guess discretion and kind of caution in using it so I think because I think programming is inherently kind of a create like you're creating new things. That again don't have like a sense of like this is factual or not it's kind of like it's more of like a kind of like because it was a creative more of a creative endeavor than you like to like to think it makes a lot of sense for this.
When these LLMs are tailored it feels like they work better and they're very tailored for coding and obviously Google tailored even more to its own coding. That seems to fit in with what you're saying here which is you know the upside is when it's good at a specific thing you can use it as an assistant for that thing.
That's yeah it's 100% and I think that's also it the grounding. I think and that's why I think I'm less surprised than seeing that goose is 25% because I'll give you like off the top of my head I think maybe when I was using you know Gemini and studio which is our assistant in Android studio which is our Android developers IDE.
I may be generating 12 to 10% and maybe I'm actually under estimate but I want to spitball 10 to 12% it makes a lot of sense that when you have a tailored model that is built to your specification that knows your specific way of coding your engineering practices it makes so much sense.
And yeah like but I it and and even like having what what sort of say for example for Android developers what we have now is context awareness which is the Gemini will actually look at your project and through having it you know be able to understand your code.
You can actually have it as your typing try to more or less finish your sentence and that's what it's doing and a lot of times because you know LLM's are basically pattern recognizers or things like that it's really good at it because you know I mean I said my job is creative but it's also kind of repetitive.
Yeah and so I think that's that's the key is like having giving the LLM more context and as much and as much context as you can give it it'll even it'll get even better at guessing so yeah and and like sort for example like the feature where I'm typing and it tries to kind of guess what the next thing I want to type is.
That is only enabled if I say I let Gemini take a look at my code there's there's a lot of actually issues around proprietary code and like letting Google basically see you know a company proprietary code and so that's like a thing.
So and that's a challenge to is like how do we keep privacy while using this tools is actually kind of like a little bit of posing goals but it's it's a really interesting time and I think like it's amazing I actually talk to Tor Norby who's like the engineering director on the Android studio team and he's just really excited and and their specific goal is not to replace us but to as he said sprinkle AI productivity throughout our you know our experience.
I think that's what we all want yeah right it's like can you make my life easier while still you know as I do my job. Yeah I would I say no well and he actually demonstrated a like a feature that they're working on last week where it actually is getting to the point where they can help us.
He said we want to eliminate toil and not only that they can kind of do things that are impossible for us to do now so an example is testing and not to get to in the weeds it we have to test our code like we write tests that kind of you know determine whether logic you know it kind of gives the output that result for certain input and there's like a lot of different types of testing.
And a lot of that is like you know testing little fine grain things but also UI testing so say I have like a sign up flow I might have what is called an integration test where I test that sign up like from the showing you of like you know the the registration page to the success you know screen when you finally successfully register and the good thing to do is to write a test for that.
That is a really really hard test to write just because a lot going on well you don't really know how the human is going to exactly exactly and so yeah that's another great point is like we often test the happy path that we often as developers don't think about the weird things that that that users are able to do to make things go wrong so they're working on features that can actually find these like can that can suggest these edge cases and actually tour demonstrate something that was really cool he was like a.
Say you wanted to just test whether your play pause buttons which is probably appropriate appropriately from icon to icon so the current tools that we have now to test that are AI coding stuff like it's not we have to kind of figure out so do we just load the images and test that like that the pixels are of this button of this button's icon in the right place like it's very like we don't have a lot of way of expressing hey is is a pause icon showing surprisingly but what he showed was that he was using just like that.
He was using German like they're using Gemini's multimodality where it can take like different kinds of like input like images and you know words and and and text and images and he can actually tell you know Gemini hey like tell me if the pause button is showing and rather than say me looking at the individual pixel like taking a screenshot and looking at the pixels of the button and saying okay these look the right like like look right for a pause button or it matches this other image I have.
AI is literally saying like AI is looking at my screen understanding what's going on with the screen and saying oh yeah there's a pause button here like a person would do and that's I know that the distinction is is really. Fine like really fine but it's huge it's huge right and he was giving another example where say like this is not real example but say you're working on like a Google Maps type.
You know application and you want to test that if the user inputs like this from from this location of that location that the result shows a route from a to be.
Tor is basically saying eventually you can do that and like I can't explain it's hard to describe how saying oh there's a route from a to be how hard that would be as a programmer to describe in code whereas you can just tell the LLM to do that like you would a person yeah and it's smart enough to make that connection without you know I mean like it's it's kind of crazy.
It takes the tedium the tedium of having to figure that out yeah yeah yeah and that's that's wasted time and so I get to still and and these tools aren't replacing me I actually asked Gemini and Android studio to write me an app and it it only gave me like 10% of what I needed and there's still a lot like for me as a senior engineer to do like connecting dots deciding what's best for me interacting with like things like back end and like other things that that that Android has Android studio and Gemini won't have anything to do with.
But yeah it takes a toilet and it leaves me like time to do the good stuff so yeah it's I'm it's pretty good. I feel like your job when is a really great example of you know where AI is helpful but not quite there yet yeah you know for someone like me because I'm not writing code but I talk about people who write code you know it's more like sometimes I feel like it's a little bit of an ego thing where I'm not going to do that.
I'm like that's not what I would have said that just doesn't sound like me you know like get better Gemini you know or you know or or you know whatever the AI system is but when it when it really comes to facts that you know that's that's a big part of all yes well if you want to hear more about how when things and when you talk about of course you could find her on Android faithful dot com when what's going on with that show these days.
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