Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. I'm your host Dave and today I'm joined once again for part two of Pascua Guala Alien Abduction, Nicholas Einzman. How's it going champion? The sun sets, the sun rises here in Philadelphia. It's going pretty good Dave, I can't complain. Yeah, I know you went to the Atlantic City
Beer and Music Festival this weekend. How was it? Was it good? Was it fine? Was it all right? It was pretty good. My buddy Adam was supposed to come to the originally and then got like legitimately got the neuro virus and called me at six o'clock in the morning that he couldn't come. So I needed to find someone quick and I ended up taking my 60 plus year old uncle to go drink beer and like listen to Scott music. And he had a field
day. If you ever want to see a wholesome moment, just bring a 65 year old man to go see Goldfinger who's never listened to Scott a day before his life. And that man had more fun in four hours than he did. I have I do have a quick question. 65 years of life. One question. Oh, absolutely. What is the neuro virus? The neuro virus? Oh man, neuro virus is no joke. What is it? It's when you like poop and vomit. It's like you have diarrhea and vomit for
like a solid 24 hours. Oh, that sounds fucking awful. I had it on less legitimately last Monday. I would not wish that on anyone. That sounds terrible. It was the worst worst thing in the world. I thought it was food poisoning. It was that. Oh God. It was not. Well, at least you didn't get it and you were able to go. It sounds like a good time. Beer fests
are always fun. I've only been to one like legitimate beer fest and it was like when we first moved to Philly Elkins Park area, went to me and Ali went to Pennhurst asylum. They did like a beer fest thing like around Halloween. That's a good place to have a beer fest. It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. We got to like get drunk and then walk through like the asylum and stuff like that. It was pretty fun. But that's the only one I've ever
been to. You know what beer fests are like a good times. I don't know if I'd ever really go back to the AC one just because like there's no hotel that's super close. Like if I'm going to do it, I'd probably just do like the daytime one and then just take the train back to Philly. Gotcha. Oh, is that the convention? There's no there's no hotels around the convention center. I don't know anything about Atlantic City, so I have no idea. They're they're close,
but they're not close enough to walk without being sketchy. That makes sense. That kind of sounds like when we were we went to when we were young and it was at the Las Vegas like fairgrounds and you had to take the tram to get there. Like if you could get a hotel that's like close to it, but you're paying a billion dollars for those hotels. Yeah, you're paying out the nose. Yeah, we stayed at we stayed at some fucking shape like a
castle. It's called Excalibur. I think it was a gross, gross casino. It's not OK. Did you win any money? Oh, I didn't gamble. No, I I did. I did enough degenerate things in Vegas where I was like, that's the least of my. I mean, you can get blackout drunk on the streets there. I'm not going to waste my money because we need it for bail probably. But anyways, Nick, I'm glad you had a good time. Glad your 65 year old uncle had a good
time. You're ready to talk about some aliens. I was born ready. I guess that's valid. If anyone wants millions, if anyone was, it would be you. I think it's a fair assumption. To be fair, I am currently rereading this. What is that? The UFO abductions by Brad Stitcher. OK, there's the stiger. It's pretty good. Yes, Iger. OK, pretty damn good. Pretty damn good. A lot of outdated information, but it's good. All right. So Nicholas and listeners.
So last we left off, Charlie and Calvin were dumped back ashore after being experimented on by these coneheaded metal men. And they're just absolutely terrified. Calvin, as you remember, my baby was was more so than Charlie. Charlie kind of came out of it a little bit quicker than Calvin. Calvin, who was just a pile, just useless at this point, just quivering and crying. Like I mentioned last episode, Charlie had to give Calvin a few good smacks
to the face. And as Calvin came to, he asked Charlie, what in the world was that? To which Charlie replied, son, I don't know, but they didn't kill us. That bringing back memories for you for where we are. Oh, it's it's still bringing back memories of the creepy work friend dad relationship that they had going on. Oh, you mean the the man and his young old man and his young male companion? Yeah, yeah. The the definitely not a groomer slash
groom considering they've they've known him for years. Yeah. Friend of the family. Yeah. So that's not how grooming works. Anyways, now, Charlie, Charlie, even though his mind is a bit disheveled at the moment, knew that what happened to him and Calvin would be hard for people to wrap their heads around and believe. So they pretty much had two options at this point. Go to the authorities, tell their story and possibly be ridiculed for
life or keep their mouth shut and just deal with the trauma and secrecy. So for the next 45 minutes, the two men sat in Charlie's car while they collected themselves and quietly pondered what to do next. Now, initially, Charlie told Calvin, we can't tell anyone. No one's going to believe us. And we're just going to be the laughing stock of the town.
But after some deliberation and more time to kind of really think about it, after things settled down, the two decided that the potential threat that these otherworldly creatures posed to the public was far worse than people making jokes about them getting probed in the ass or whatever. So after a couple of shots of whiskey that I assume Charlie just kept in
his car, they decided to contact the authorities. First, Charles decided to bring up Keesler Air Force Base, which is about it's about a half hour drive from Pascagoula to inform them of the goings on that night. But this is four years after Project Blue Book had ended. So they were so the Air Force base was like, no, we don't do that shit anymore. You got to go to the cops, which is the last thing they wanted to do, because one, it's
a small town. Rumors are going to spread very quickly, too, because they knew that a small town Mississippi sheriff would be all like, y'all crazy. And a possible third reason is because they were just doing shots of whiskey in Charles' car. And I'm sure showing up to the sheriff's office hollering about aliens while smelling like a distillery probably
won't help your case. Probably not the best thing. But you know what? Like the the thing that really makes me laugh here is like if you if the Air Force tells you, yeah, you know what? We don't do that thing anymore. Just fucking let it die. Yeah, that's valid. Just let it die. If your government's like, you know what? We really don't investigate this type of thing anymore. Like it's not our it's not our bag, man. There's good reason.
They sent those fuckers. OK. You saying that the Air Force base sent the aliens to go get these two? I said what I said. OK, valid. So. So Charlie and I don't know why this was like his contingency plan, but but trying to avoid anything to do with getting the cops involved, he decided let's just go straight to the press. Now, I guess he was thinking that word was going to get out anyway, so he might as well get in front of the story
or something. But whatever his reasoning, it didn't fucking matter because the locals in the local papers office was closed for the evening. So that didn't work. So now with no other options, they drove out to the Jackson County Sheriff's Office. Now, when the men arrived at the sheriff's office, they were still very much distraught about their ordeal and visibly tired because at this point, I believe it was like two hours since they were
released by the aliens. So they're tired and they were interviewed by Sheriff Fred Diamond and Captain Glenn Ryder. Now, to Charles credit, he did immediately tell the cops that while he was, in fact, sober during the time the induction took place, he did take some shots of whiskey immediately following it. So good on him. But either way, drunk or sober, it
didn't matter. Well, Sheriff Diamond did say that the men, especially Calvin, who was, I'm assuming, still just sobbing at this point, seemed genuinely frightened about what they had, what had happened. Both him and the captain had serious doubts over the validity of the men's story, which I mean, I guess it's fair enough. It's fair enough. So the sheriff and captain devised a little plan. See, they hit a tape recorder in the interrogation room
in hopes that when the men were alone, they would out themselves as like hoaxers. But when they listened to the playback of the tape, the men, Charles and Calvin seemed even more disturbed and upset about what had happened to them when they were talking alone than when they were talking to the cops. Because I'm assuming they're trying to keep it together while talking to the cops. So the two lawmen decided that they would keep this all under
wraps and assured the men that they would keep it kind of hush hush. Now, after the interrogation, the two men went home, got as little sleep as anyone could get after something like this, and they somehow still managed to just go to work the next day like nothing had ever happened. The men kept quiet about their encounter, acting as normal as one could while sleep derived. And I'm sure just like their brains is chock full of PTSD
at this point. But coworkers did note that they seemed a little more anxious than normal. So I mean, first off, my kudos for them to going directly after right directly after. I mean, listen, I don't even know if if I ever get abducted by aliens, right, the last thing I'm going to do when I get back is going to be go to directly to my local authorities. I'm probably going to sit on it. I mean, again, this is all hypothetical because I've never
been abducted by aliens. I have no idea. But like the fact that they're like, you know what, we have no other options. We got to go. And the fact that we said Calvin was the one that's like, you know, I was bone cerebral when this happened. But as soon as I got back, I got to be honest with you, partner, I had a few shots of the old Jim Beam. That was that was good on them. Yeah, Charles. Yeah. Good on them. And then, yeah, of course, they're
going to be to short after work. Like, yeah, they just got fucking, you know, abducted by the symbiotes from hell raiser. Who wouldn't be scared by that? They're not good looking aliens. No, they're not good looking aliens. I've looked at the design, if you will, a little bit more. Yeah. And they are they are terrifying. I don't like them. No, it's not an ideal scenario. One thing I did think about this entire week while, you know, kind of
going over like, you know, their initial the abduction. Right. As you know, that song, my Sharona. God, yeah. So it's that but it's Pascogola. He's a little horny one, a little horny one. He's a little horny one. Pascogola. That's pretty good. I don't hate it. I've been humming that to myself for the past week. Oh, I was sitting at work and I was like, what sucks now is that I'm going to be doing that probably for the rest of the day and
for the rest of the week. So thank you for that. And hopefully, hopefully our listeners will do the same exact thing. And if you would like, I will record, you know, that in my Sharona style for your ringtones for the Patreon members of Crypto Cocktail Party. You'll get an exclusive ringtone that says my Pascogola. That would actually be pretty fucking solid. Just a couple of hours after clocking in, Sheriff Diamond called the men at work to
give them the news that, hey, just a heads up, your story got out. And now there's a bunch of reporters trying to get details about your abduction. So just keep an eye out for that. Now, Charles didn't take that news so well. He was pretty pissed to say the least. He cursed out the sheriff for breaking his promise that he would keep the story a secret.
But the sheriff assured him that he didn't betray them and that the story was just like too wild to keep under wraps and that people were going to find out no matter what, which makes sense. I'm sure someone in the police department saw that was like, you know, everyone's got to hear about this shit. Yeah. I mean, like, I wish that I could be that friend that like someone come to like, yo, I got abducted by aliens. Please don't let this out. I would
tell fucking everybody. I I would try really hard to not do that. Right. Would like not break my promise and be like honest about everything and be like, yep, like you're good. Don't worry about it. And then as soon as I get like one or two beers into me again, another reason why I don't drink is because I talked like someone like you were like our good friend of the show, Mike Norton and Luke start talking about aliens. Yo, did you hear
about Dave Prescott? Dude, got abducted by the fucking hell razor. I played my show. I'm not even going to pretend like I would keep it a secret. They'd be like, hey, can I tell you something like, I'd be like, nope, I'm a, I'm telling fucking everyone. Do not entrust me with that scenario. Like if it was a normal secret, fine. If it was a normal secret, fine. Like if it was like, Hey, I kissed my cousin once or you know, something
like whatever you tell me you got abducted by aliens. Everyone's finding out. I'm not keeping that shit secret. So Nick, if you were getting abducted by aliens, I'm sorry. If I ever get abducted by aliens, I think there'd be signs. Now, even though there was a huge local media storm, Charlie and Calvin did their best to avoid any sort of publicity around surrounding their case, but it wasn't long before the news made its way to the wire services and became a very major news story and not just
in the U S but worldwide. So within a matter of days, Pascagoula and the surrounding areas became a whirlwind of activity. Newsmen, ufologists, astronomers, and just like people like you and me who just want to check out where a man and his young male companion got abducted. It's like they all just flooded in. Uh, one of those people was a man named Joe Azaris,
who was there as a field reporter working for Rolling Stone at the time. But you may know him as the man who wrote the screenplays for basic instinct and showgirls. I vaguely know of the cinematic masterpiece as a basic instincts. I couldn't tell you what it's about or the plot or who's in it, but I definitely know of it. The movie, the title showgirls is something showgirls. I'm neither curious nor showgirls is a movie that
features one of the girls, I believe from saved by the bell. I can't remember which one. Melissa Milano. That what? It's not Milano, right? That's not saved by the bell. But anyways, you sure about that? 100% sure. But anyways, it's a movie where she's a, I think she was like a Vegas showgirl, but there's a lot of tits in it. I think there were strippers. I really don't remember it. It came out in the early nineties, so I'm not 100% sure.
Well anyways, through his investigative journalism, quote unquote, he decided that the whole thing was a hoax. And the simple reason behind that was because the toll booth operators on the bridge that ran over the river didn't see anything that night. But just because they didn't see anything doesn't mean that there weren't any other witnesses besides the two men. Now a retired naval officer named Mike Cataldo came forward in 2001 claiming he had
observed the UFO in question the same night. And he saw it not just once, but twice. A former Pascagoula detective named named Puddin Brodis as Puddin, P-U-D-D-I-N apostrophe. There's no way. It's not his real name. I don't know what his real first name is, but they keep calling him Puddin with a quotation marks around it. It's like a nickname. But I want to know, sorry, can we just dive into that for a second? Like what do you think
about this? You are... He was a good looking dude too. They should have pictured him. He's a handsome boy. They should have pictured a Puddin. I get why they call him Puddin. That's all I gotta say. I'll find it after this and I'll send it to you. He's a handsome dude. So he's not like a chunky man. Oh, he's a handsome guy. Yeah. It's not, they don't call him Puddin because of like any physical thing. It's just cause he, it's like a Southern thing.
Like, Hey Puddin. Like he's, I bet all the ladies called him that. Yeah. But what if it's like his superiors call him that? Like Frank calls me the office Puddin. I'm real sorry. I know you just had your fourth kid. We gotta let you go. Puddin, I want your badge and your gun on my desk now. You're not gonna call the secretaries. Yeah. Exactly. I need your badge and your car. You can keep the gun as a souvenir. That's your severance.
Now, good old Puddin, he claimed to have seen an object streaked across the night sky that night as well as multiple other witnesses who at the time thought nothing of what they saw until learning about the abduction, but didn't come forward until years later due to their fear of ridicule. So fuck you, Joe. There were other fucking people who saw this shit, but Joe wasn't the only person on the scene doing a little investigating representing
the aerial phenomena research organization, better known as APRO. We got UC Berkeley engineering professor James A. Harder and representing the air force. We got fame skeptic turned hard believer, Mr. Project Blue Book himself, Dr. J. Allen Hynek. The two actually joined
forces on this and tag teamed their investigations, interviewing both abductees together. Harder actually tried regressive hypnosis on Calvin to try and get some more detailed information, but Calvin became so terrified and distraught while under hypnosis that they had to stop midway through and pull him out. They did eventually try again a few years later and Calvin was actually able to remember some things that make this whole case even more
fucked up. And this is what he claims he remembered. Quote, Oh no, there were people on the spaceship living beings in another compartment. They never came in there where we were. And I'm telling you, they looked almost like us. Only thing I can figure is that they couldn't live in our atmosphere. So they let the robots come out there and carry us inside. Excuse me. Pardon. So the robots were just robots being controlled by another fucking alien
race. I mean, that's not like, I don't like that. I don't like that. It's not uncommon. There's, there's a whole theory, right? I'm paraphrasing here that the tall graze actually send the little graze out as like, wait, hold on. There are tall graze. Oh yeah. Oh, there's a whole thing buddy boy. It's not just the graze. I know there's the graze, but then I knew there was the tall whites like the Nordic or the Palladian or whatever the fuck
you want to call them. Unless the Palladian is something different. I have no fucking idea. No, no, no. So you ever, have you ever seen a close encounters of the fifth kind of the fit of the fifth kind, third kind, sorry. Uh, yes. The Richard Dreyfuss. Uh, yeah. The Steven Spielberg one where Dr. J. Allen Heineck was a consultant on that
film I learned while doing research on this. So now I might be, if all right, bear with me here, but I'm fairly certain that the, the Zeta Rokullians quote unquote are the taller of the gray ones. And they're the ones that kind of send out the, you know, the little short little green men type beings. Gotcha. You will, uh, Travis Walton from the guy fire in the sky actually kind of said the same thing. There was like the Nordics that were
on the ship and there was taller graze. Then there was like shorter graze as a whole sub class of grades. So it's not uncommon that they send out little rabble on this case metal. So him seeing like a race of aliens that kind of look human and sending out like a, like an automaton to like capture people isn't like unheard of. No, but I'm just saying this makes it more fucked up because I thought that the fucking robots were the aliens, but
they aren't, they're just, they're being controlled by an actual race of alien. Now I didn't look any further into this quote, so I don't know, like I didn't read his book, so I don't know what else he describes them as, or if this was just like a fleeting memory. So he probably couldn't even really describe them. But I think that the fact that there was another race of aliens on the ship makes it way more fucking terrifying than just the robots alone.
Oh yeah. Um, well, if, if you have some free time, uh, look into interviews with Travis Walton, uh, the fire in the sky guy, cause he says a lot of the same shit where there's like other humans. And I say this with quotations. Well, that's the, uh, the, uh, same thing when he said there was people on the ship, it was very like air quoted very hard when you see it on a view. All right. Well anyways, these two men, they were also subject to multiple
polygraph tests over the years and pass them all with flying colors. Uh, these results along with the quote unquote secret tape recordings, the hypnosis and the fact that the men's story never changed was enough to convince harder and Heineck that the men were telling the absolute truth. Heineck said regarding the men's case quote, there was definitely something here that was not terrestrial. This was the first time I had seen for myself, the profoundly
disturbing effect of a UFO encounter on two ordinary human beings. It was impossible to be with Charlie and Calvin or to listen to the tape and not believe that something terrified had terrifying had happened to them. End quote. Now over the next few months, a slew of articles, books, comics, they were all released, all telling or claiming to tell the story of the two men and their encounter and all the publicity started to affect the men. So they decided
the best thing to do was move. So they packed up their stuff and their families and headed to Jones County, Mississippi. Unfortunately for Calvin though, that wasn't enough and he was eventually hospitalized due to a mental breakdown. Now over the years since the incident, Calvin has actively avoided being in the public eye as much as he can. Charles, on the other hand, the older of the two gentlemen, he decided to just kind of embrace it and really lean
into it. He went on the tonight show with Johnny Carson, the Dick Cavett show. Wow. He also went on this game show called to tell the truth, which is like you get three contestants. All of them are telling like basically different versions of the same story and the contestants have to pick out which one is telling the truth. Kind of fucking wild, but he also went on to self publish a book in 1983 called the UFO contact at Pesca Gula, as well as speaking
at like different UFO lectures and events. And then Calvin, after years of staying out of the limelight, eventually did tell his side of the story. In 2018, he published a book called Pesca Gula, the closest encounter comma my story, which is the first full account of the event given by Calvin Parker and the effects that had on him and his own life. Then in 2019, the city of Pesca Gula unveiled a historical landmarker on the site of the
abduction. Calvin attended the way. Really? Yeah. Calvin attended the unveiling. Sadly, Charles had passed away in 2011 due to a heart attack, but his son and family attended the ceremony in honor of their late father. Parker had this to say about the ceremony and the historical marker being put into place. He said, quote, it's emotional for me. I can't really describe it because I would break out into tears if I do. I wish that when I die,
I could be buried right here underneath this plaque that would explain it best. It is quite an honor. End quote. Calvin Parker did eventually pass away in August of 2023 due to kidney cancer. But it is safe to say that Calvin and Charles made quite the impact on the world with their experience and the stories that they shared with us about it. But anyways, Nick, there you have it. That is the conclusion to the Pesca Gula abduction. How you feeling?
I might buy that book. I'm like looking at it on Amazon right now. This case was a lot more interesting than I originally thought it was going to be. Which one? The Calvin one or the Charles one? Pesca Gula, the closest encounter in my story. I'm going to look for Charles's book right now, but it's it's free on Kindle. So I guess I'm buying a Kindle. I think you just get a Kindle, the Kindle app. And I think it works the same way, doesn't
it? I have no idea. Well, if that's the case, then I'm just downloading the Kindle app, baby. Yeah. So what do you think of the story? I mean, part one, part two kind of mash them together. You heard about the the actual abduction. Now you heard about kind of like the aftermath. Now there is a little bit more to all this, obviously, but these are kind of like the
bigger, heavier portions of it. Like there was a point where both of them did say at one point that they were visited again, but not by the aliens on the ship, but by the robots. So that's why I was I always thought the robots were the aliens. They never like they never interacted with them. Charles said he saw his like they were standing like in a field or some shit like that. They just like watching him. I don't remember what Calvin's
version of the revisit was, but they never like interacted with them, I guess. It was more like a more like a watching scenario. I mean, look, it's the part about them getting upset that the cop or the sheriff either broke his word or it somehow got out. I mean, unfortunately, that's just something that like is going to it's going to happen. Yeah, there's no way
it's not. There's no way around it. You know, it's a small town like word travels. So that much I understand the fact that I will say big ups that sheriff to giving them a call like, hey, so just say, you know, obviously this did break. Press is on the way like he didn't have to like give him a heads up. Like at all. Absolutely. But I'm glad that, you
know, Charles kind of like not owned it. But, you know, you see a lot of these guys who get abducted by aliens who like talk about it once and they never want to talk about it again. And then you have guys like Charles, you have guys like Travis Walton that really own up to it. They're like, I got to, you know, it's going to I'm going to sleep like I'm going to see these things when I sleep. Yeah. So I can either like face it while I'm
awake or, you know, it may. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Because like, obviously talking with anything talking about it makes you feel a million times better. At least helps you process it more, I guess. Maybe that's why Calvin kind of had a hard time with it. He did not want to say like, I don't even think I remember. He didn't tell his wife like the exact details of what happened until like forever later. You know what I
mean? And yeah, but he did. He did get his story out, which is cool. So I'll probably end up buying that book, too, to be honest. But I know it's a good story. It's like the dichotomy of how the two processed the abduction is wild. Like Charlie said, Charles fully leaned into it. And like I said in the last episode, people thought he was like milking it for money. But I guess his son said that he only asked for a day's miss, you know,
a day's work worth their wages. So I don't know. But it was a good story. I had fun with it. Yeah, I mean, it's a good one. I'm definitely going to try and do some more research on it because now I'm just genuinely more interested in it. So Dave, thanks again for for having me on for this pescagola story. If you can find a karaoke version of that and just sing over the actual like I will take I will take care of it. Oh, yeah. Bonus content. Sign
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