What did the 0 say to the 8?
Brendan's mom had a party to celebrate her life, and Mark remembers some chicken.
Jul 25, 2025•22 min•Ep. 83
Convergence
What is the work of a middle-aged man? To improve himself and help those around him contribute to a fairer, more tolerant society.
Mark is a digital producer with a coaching mindset. Brendan is a home remodeler with plans to become a men’s health coach.
As men entering their second phase of life, they push each-other to be better and achieve more, without the hustle and grind mindset of the Internet bro.
They also do battle with music, writing original songs on the topic of the day.
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Episodes
I think this is how money laundering works
Brendan gets into it about his current situation with his family, Mark’s still singing, and they’re both opposed to AI drones and AI music.
Jul 11, 2025•1 hr 7 min•Ep. 82
Complex. PTSD.
Mark starts reading a great new book. Brendan is a bit overwhelmed by family stuff. And together they share love for food and therapy.
Jul 04, 2025•53 min•Ep. 81
Episode 80 of the Convergence podcast
Mark ends Undo and cracks his head open like a coconut. Brendan ends art therapy, dodgeball, and eating. and together they try to stop asking a lemonade stand for grapes, waddle waddle. [The duck song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q)
Jun 27, 2025•52 min•Ep. 80
Get Better – The Extended Edition
Mark ran his first community singing group session, Brendan had a chat with his pasta/pastor, and we get to hear the full extended mix of Frank Turner's Get Better , by a dapper wizard.
Jun 20, 2025•1 hr 12 min•Ep. 79
I am not a piece of Tupperware
Brendan is holding space and being held up by many hands. Mark is done with giving 120% and is ready to ut bak on some stuff (not this podcast, though). Links Drop the Dead Donkey The Chimp Paradox , by Steve Peters Self-Compassion , by Kristin Neff...
Jun 13, 2025•57 min•Ep. 78
Things are not done or not done
Brendan returns to Darkenshrub, and Mark gets grumpy in London.
Jun 06, 2025•53 min•Ep. 77
You're just being bolic
Mark is almost at a podcast conference. Brendan is juggling men's retreat options. And together they plot to save the world.
May 30, 2025•1 hr 1 min•Ep. 76
Don't worry, be happy? I worry
Mark has an idea for an app, Brendan had a revolution while dancing, and the boys have some advice on mopping. Links Simple Marketing For Smart People , by Billy Broas, Tiago Forte & Ali Abdaal Moral Ambition , by Rutger Bregman Pulp – Common People Quotes by Alan Watts...
May 23, 2025•47 min•Ep. 75
Pump-fakin’
Brendan be dodging balls, Mark be watching The Pitt, they both be watching Sinners, and Michael B Jordan.
May 16, 2025•48 min•Ep. 74
I'll send you my love in details
Brendan moved his mum into a new care facility, Mark reconnected with his therapist, and the pair reflect on creating intentional routines, reducing digital distractions, and their dreams.
May 09, 2025•1 hr 2 min•Ep. 73
Stumbling into failure
Brendan and Mark have questions and thoughts around moderation, and Brendan has questions for Mark on his sleep. (00:00) - Stumbling into failure (00:07) - Mark is weirdly on his shit (00:52) - Brendan is on his shit (04:25) - Brendan has thoughts on moderation (14:28) - Mark has a pending relevation (25:12) - Brendan doesn't trust the messages his body gives him (28:09) - Mark tries to grapple with the Three Principles again (32:08) - Brendan successfully avoided Creme Eggs (38:27) - Mark remem...
May 02, 2025•1 hr 4 min•Ep. 72
The most thing is sugar
The boys mostly talk about sugar, both in chocolate form a la Easter, and in pill form via placebo. (00:00) - The most thing is sugar (01:17) - Brendan describes needing a hug (03:18) - Mark describes his norming (06:10) - Mark mourns a friend (10:30) - Brendan and Mark spoil an episode of Black Mirror (16:57) - Mark describes a book (18:51) - Mark and Brendan appreciate Paul Giamati (22:00) - Brendan has gone 40 days without YouTube (27:53) - Mark does his easter bit (30:24) - Brendan and Mark ...
Apr 25, 2025•1 hr 8 min•Ep. 71
Is this what normal people do?
Mark and Brendan figure out how to talk to people in real life. (00:00) - Is this what normal people do? (00:19) - Brendan got a visit from his mom (03:00) - Mark dreamt of Brendan (06:03) - Brendan went to a trade show (27:07) - Mark recounts his public speaking journey (45:07) - Mark reckons with his unlikeability as a child (56:46) - Mark makes a metaphor (59:21) - The pair talk about assertiveness (01:00:57) - Brendan overthinks a Reddit conversation (01:03:27) - Brendan and Mark talk therap...
Apr 18, 2025•1 hr 21 min•Ep. 70
Get in the comments!
Mark encourages Brendan to make short-form video... not at all because he has started making his own. (00:00) - Y'all are welomed to the show (03:42) - Mark wouldn't call a dude "love" (05:19) - Mark says "y'all" ironically (08:28) - Undo is now monetised (17:17) - Brendan's killing it running a meditation group (22:25) - David chimes in (23:16) - Brendan questions his medium (32:55) - Brendan's got moves in the kitchen you haven't even heard of (43:18) - Mark reminisces about You Suck at Cookin...
Apr 11, 2025•56 min•Ep. 69
Now I have a bag of pegs
Mark opens a can of worms full of aspartame, and Brendan has both joined a dodgeball league and started a meditation circle. Now who's being a productive dynamo!? (00:00) - Now I have a bag of pegs (00:42) - Dopamine Nation (07:52) - Does Mark trust Brendan? (19:09) - Mark pokes the bear on aspartame (38:47) - Brendan brings up the Potato Famine (40:08) - Mark was write about community (44:09) - Mark ruins Brendan's apology (52:04) - Does food carry a message? (01:00:11) - Brendan takes another ...
Apr 04, 2025•1 hr 11 min•Ep. 68
We're senseless to our selves
Brendan and Mark kind of have a fight a little bit. In as much as two enneagram 9s can. (00:00) - We're senseless to our selves (00:59) - Mark's chat history (05:22) - Brendan and the holy trinity (13:59) - Mark gets triggered by the word "recover" (27:56) - The tug of war (38:33) - Another parable of the blind man (43:05) - Part 1 of Mark trying to make a short-form video series (49:46) - A men's group structure (56:13) - Mark wants to open his own beer (01:08:33) - Roscoe being a pest Links Se...
Mar 28, 2025•1 hr 9 min•Ep. 67
Playing myself at Magic the Gathering
Our heroes navigate freelancing and money, and Brendan has an update for Mark on fasting, courtesy of everyone's favourite large language model. (00:00) - Playing myself at Magic the Gathering (00:12) - Brendan consulted ChatGPT on fasting (06:16) - The YouTube diet (12:31) - The forthcoming men's group (14:11) - Make a plan B (19:25) - Just exist (28:21) - Freelance hubris (36:43) - We don't have a template to follow (45:31) - Capitalism corner (50:07) - What is the authentic self? (58:25) - Va...
Mar 21, 2025•1 hr 10 min•Ep. 66
Somebody learned something at some point
Brendan's not eating again, and Mark has opinions about education. (00:00) - Cheesecake (04:46) - Brendan is not eating (17:32) - Teaching by experience vs study (19:47) - Profit vs compensation (28:20) - Study vs experience revisited (47:04) - Finding intrinsic confidence in your work (01:09:12) - Only Correct Links Wake Up and Open Your Eyes , by Clay McLeod Chapman...
Mar 14, 2025•1 hr 10 min•Ep. 65
How to pathologise a good time
Mark's vibrating internally but has got some funky stuff cooking, and Brendan still wants Mark to stop using TikTok. (00:00) - Brendan's tree joke (00:20) - Manic Mark (03:18) - Undo update (08:52) - It's all coming together (22:17) - Big changes and ADHD (25:32) - Pathologising a good time (29:59) - r/blocked (38:48) - Brendan tries to deprogramme Mark from TikTok again (52:18) - Brendan's duck joke Links Cranking , by Merlin Mann Hard as Nails...
Mar 07, 2025•54 min•Ep. 64
They're just trying to have a Tuesday
Brendan's going to church and Mark's starting a choir. No, like, really. Links The Problem with Time & Timezones (00:00) - They're just trying to have a Tuesday (00:12) - Mark's other podcast (11:44) - C90 Community Chorus (32:52) - Life starts now (35:06) - Brendan's going to a church (46:56) - God is a woman (56:14) - A means of control (01:05:52) - 7 days (01:08:14) - Timezones...
Feb 28, 2025•1 hr 13 min•Ep. 63
The sweetest fruit with the bitterest finish
How do you like them apples? Links The paradoxical theory of change
Feb 21, 2025•1 hr 5 min•Ep. 62
No powders
Brendan has an app idea and a new tattoo, and the boys both watched The Menu . And have things to say. (Spoiler: they liked it.) (00:00) - No powders (00:14) - The Godmode app (20:49) - Mark has discovered Substack (27:55) - Content as an act of service (29:47) - Brendan got a tattoo (39:42) - The wolf that wins is the one you feed (52:16) - The Menu Links The Menu (2022) Triangle of Sadness (2022)...
Feb 14, 2025•1 hr 12 min•Ep. 61
I am more bit than man
Brendan and Mark talk about pain, shame, and programming; Mark does a recce of Brendan's website; (00:00) - I am more bit than man (00:49) - A nice little shop (04:23) - Being essential (07:30) - What doing business looks like in 2025 (16:33) - Raising rates (20:37) - Positioning (30:42) - From me to you (32:17) - Mark's regular "how do I make a reliable income" wobble (38:04) - Brendan's website (41:38) - We buy stuff to make problems go away (46:10) - Struggling to engage with Godmode (01:04:5...
Feb 07, 2025•1 hr 6 min•Ep. 60
Let Others Voluntarily Evolve
Mark's chair is broken, Brendan is still obsessed with The Cable Guy, and AI always has to have the last word. Links Shell Game Guns Akimbo (2019) Deep Questions with Cal Newport We Can Do Hard Things...
Jan 31, 2025•1 hr 6 min•Ep. 59
Our pink halves of the drainpipe
Brendan and Mark are back in their respective homes, coming down to earth and discussing music, dancing, numbing, and more. Links My Pink Half of the Drainpipe , by the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band Open Arms , by Elbow Anjunabeats SMART goals are not so smart: make a PACT instead Men's Work: A Practical Guide to Face Your Darkness, End Self-Sabotage, and Find Freedom , by Connor Beaton How to Begin: Start Doing Something That Matters , by Michael Bungay Stanier The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity , a...
Jan 24, 2025•1 hr 5 min•Ep. 58
We're just going to be here until I can drive again
Brendan and Mark celebrated Brendan's 40th by being in the same city together yet again. This time it was Brendan's turn to host Mark, and so the pair recount their adventure. Links Watch the boys smash stuff up Brendan's 40th birthday dance party (00:00) - We're just going to be here until I can drive again (00:12) - Mark's been up mountains (03:10) - Brendan turned 40 (08:06) - Get Better (15:26) - December 26-29 (17:31) - December 30th - January 2nd (31:35) - January 3rd - 4th (33:28) - Janua...
Jan 17, 2025•1 hr 18 min•Ep. 57
It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you
Mark is packing to see Brendan who's building a bathroom. Also there's talk of vaccinations, what to do when your friends won't join you on your journey to understand yourself and the world better, and why there is a mathematically correct politics. Links Break the Mold: 5 Tools to Conquer Mold and Take Back Your Health , by Jill Crista (00:00) - It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you (00:10) - Updates from the Cottage (01:51) - Mark's stress levels (08:33) - Fasting content (16:39)...
Dec 27, 2024•1 hr 1 min•Ep. 56
Silent heart shapes
Friend of the show Billie Proffitt joins Brendan and Mark to discuss fasting, the stars, and how our choices affect the outside world (Mark's jury is still out). And there is a Tune Tumult to adjudicate. (00:00) - Silent heart shapes (01:23) - Fasting content (10:05) - What we teach our kids about food (15:51) - Your strange addiction is valid (21:11) - Brendan's fasting update (23:37) - You;'re outta gass (32:44) - Extending your comfort zone (34:41) - Spiritual ties to physical ailments (41:22...
Dec 20, 2024•1 hr 18 min•Ep. 55
Stop doing everything
Mark snet Brendan a photo of himself in the bath... and also had to go to hospital. Meanwhile, Brendan is becoming more comfortable as the face of Godmode – and there's a v1 document draft! (00:00) - Episode 54 (00:36) - Mark's hypertensive crisis (18:23) - Godmode v0.1 (41:07) - The face of Godmode (46:14) - Capitalism and medicine (50:43) - Stop doing everything (55:30) - Kassablanca (01:04:25) - A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood (01:05:48) - Destroy me, ChatGPT...
Dec 13, 2024•1 hr 9 min•Ep. 54
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