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Conflict in the Middle East is spreading. Is a wider regional war imminent?

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The war in the Middle East appears to be widening, almost one year after Hamas launched its attack on Israel.

For more on what might unfold from here, Consider This host Ailsa Chang speaks with General Frank McKenzie, the retired Commander of United States Central Command.

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A dramatic escalation in the Middle East has heightened fears that the region is on the brink of an all-out war. On Tuesday, Iran launched nearly 200 long-range missiles against Israel. Sirens rang out across Israel as the attack unfolded. Iran claims the strikes were in response to Israel's killing of Hezbollah's leader Hassan Nasrullah last week in Lebanon. Iran has considered Hezbollah an important proxy against Israel, and it has armed the militant

group for decades. The missile attack occurred just hours after Israeli forces launched a ground offensive into southern Lebanon. It is the first time Israel has invaded Lebanon since 2006. Consider this. Conflict in the Middle East is spreading. Is a wider regional war imminent? From NPR, I'm Elsa Chang. This message comes from NPR Sponsor, the Capital One Venture X-Card. Earn unlimited two X miles on everything you buy. Plus, get access to a $300 annual credit for bookings through

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oil and natural gas with high pressure technology. That's energy in progress. Visit chevron.com slash anchor. It's consider this from NPR. The war in the Middle East appears to be widening, almost one year after Hamas launched its attack on Israel. For more on what might unfold from here, we caught up with General Frank McKinsey, former commander of United States Central Command. I asked him if he had a sense of Iran's calculations in launching Tuesday's attacks and what it

all might mean for the wider region. The long term goal of all Iranian foreign policy is regime preservation. They want to preserve the clerical regime. They don't get themselves into a situation where that regime is actually subject to direct attack by Israel or the United States or anyone else. I'm a little surprised they're actually doing this right now because to be honest with you, I doubt their ability to have genuine success in this attack. Now

the Israelis will have the option to retaliate. The Israelis possess far more retaliatory options against Iran than Iran does against Israel. I'm a little puzzled at this attack, although I would say they've been pushed into a corner a bit by the largely de-capitation of their major ally Lebanese as Bala. Things are not going well for them in 11. I think they did not go well for them in April when they launched the last attack on Israel. You could see that Iranian

thinking could be they need to do something now. You've got to be very careful if you're going to do something that needs to have a meaningful effect. If it doesn't have a meaningful effect, you're going to be in more shape than you were when you began. Well, just to put this in very real terms for people on the ground in Israel, what are the risks

that they are facing at the moment? Obviously, these strikes are deadly or could be deadly. Can you just describe for people who are listening what are the immediate direct risks for people on the ground in Israel? Sure. Well, people need to be under shelter and that's when they sound the air raid sirens. You need to be undercover because even a successful intercept, there's still

a lot of iron that's going to fall from the sky. And the other thing is as you look at these missiles impacting, and I've seen some impact, remember that iron dome Patriot other systems make a calculation about intercepting a missile. If the missile is not headed for a populated area or a vital target, you're going to let the missile continue on its track and explode harmlessly. So when you see

missiles hit the ground sometimes, people think, well, they're having success. Well, not necessarily because of the missiles not going for a vital area, which is in the ballistic computers that look at the track on the missile, you might let it go on. There's a lot of stuff falling from the sky. People should take cover, listen to notifications from air defense, the air defense system there, which is very good, very well plugged in. And we'll keep people surprised at what's going on.

Well, as you look ahead, can you just tell me what is top of mind your most immediate concern as you're thinking about how these simultaneous conflicts are unfolding right now? I'm sure I think the thing that people's mind will turn to next, what will be the Israeli response? It will be scoped to what happens in this attack. So if there's significant damage done in this attack, then I would look, I think, for a very large Israeli response. And they've demonstrated

that they have the ability to do it. They've demonstrated they have the ability to operate almost with impunity over Tehran. They did that in April after the 13th April Iranian attack on Israel. So they have a lot of options if they want to take this war and really impose a significant punishment on Tehran. And so, you know, I think, again, I think, though, that will be scoped and scaled to what happens in the attack that is or still in the attack period right now.

You said Israel has multiple options. What are those options at this moment to respond? Well, Israel has the ability to respond with, you know, with their strikes. They have their own missile force. They have a variety of cyber options that are all available to them. Remember, in the aftermath of the 13th April attack, they demonstrated profound technological superiority over Iran by operating essentially unmolested in the Tehran Esfahan Carter over Iran's

most sensitive nuclear targets. And Iran was unable to prevent them from doing that. So, Israel has lots of choices here. Should they choose to respond? That was General Frank McKinsey, former commander of United States Central Command, an executive director of the University of South Florida's Global and National Security Institute. This episode was produced by Catherine Fink and Michael Leved. It was edited by Courtney Dorning

and Christopher and Taliyatta. Our executive producer is Sam Yennegan. And one more thing before we go, you can now enjoy the Consider this newsletter. We still help you break down a major story of the day, but you will also get to know our producers and hosts and some moments of joy from the All Things Consider team. You can sign up at npr.org slash consider this newsletter. It's Consider this from NPR. I'm Else Chang.

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