498: He Sees You When You're Sleeping

From Relay FM, this is Connected episode 498. Today's show is brought to you by our excellent sponsors, Jam, Squarespace, NetSoot and ZockDock. I'm Federico Viteci and it's my pleasure to be joined by Mr. Steven Hackett. Hello, Steven. Hello, Federico. How are you? I am doing great. I just got some excellent shopping recommendations in the pre show from you and Mike. So go listen to those. Yes, we're also joined by another person that is not used, Steven.

It's not me, but it's Mike Hurley. Hi, Mike. Hello, my name is GetConnectedPro.co. If you would like, if you would like to hear us talk about backpacks for like 10 minutes. How to spend my money because my backpack broke and I need a new one to travel and stuff. And Federico's bag is a jump scare. So you've got that for you. It's not what you would expect. Mike couldn't believe that I used that thing for five years. I just couldn't believe it was

able to last. That's the thing that's surprising to me. Did that bag smell real bad when you opened it? Yeah, kind of like a pet. Just pure, pure, pure McCamp. Pure like petroleum. Yeah, yes, I kind of thought it might. Yeah, it smells like the insides of planet Earth. That's what that's what this man is. GetConnectedPro.co. Follow up. We have some follow up. Follow up. Steven, this is an interesting one. Go on.

I tried the solo top lifestyle. So this is the little Etsy clip. You put it on the Vision Pro. I will say, when you get it, you should watch the video and I'd see of how to install it. Because I was like, oh, I can figure this out. And I could not figure it out. I had to watch the video. And you get the solo knit strap headband thing, you know, with the adjustment knob, the wide one. One that goes around the back of your head. And this one, the little clips kind of do

another one kind of like at a 45 degree angle, like to the top of your head. And you would recommend it going down a size. So I wear the medium or on the back of my head, the smaller over the top of my head. I like a 45 minute spatial phone call with underscore this morning. And this is the way to use the Vision Pro. Yes. Totally sold. Yes. It looks, I'm sure it looks goofy, but you already look goofy wearing a Vision Pro.

So super comfortable. I feel like it didn't, you know, is like, balancing the pressure on the back on the top of the head way less fiddly than the dual strap thing. I think it looks better than the dual strap. This is, this is Federica, you were right. This is really good. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so pleased to hear this. And yeah, look, I tried all of this. It continued, including I got like a cheap knockoff from Amazon US of the solo top. It's still

not as good as the solo top. Like the material, it's, it's the creator of the solo top really, really created a really nice product. And as a reminder, there is also a solo top dev version. If you want to use it with the developer strap made by the same person, a different purchase. Sure. They should have called it solo top pro. They should be the aluminum one. They should have called it solo top pro.

Look, I want to do this. I will do this, but I go the way. I'm not, I'm not going to do the whole like someone buy me the band and ship it. I'm just going to wait until the vision pros in the UK and then I'll buy a second band and I'll try this out. Yeah. And maybe that happens soon enough. I reckon it's going to happen within the next month. I genuinely think before WWE see. Yes. But it's just about when. Like I could imagine they might announce it around about the same

time that I've had to announce or something. They might do one of those like party weeks where there's like a bunch of stuff happening and one of these things might be like our international availability for the vision pro. Because I really do think it will be before WWE DC. And I feel like it's just a case of when now because it does seem like they have the availability. Like they have stock availability. And so that's not the thing anymore. In my opinion,

you can just make it available. And then when they do, I can buy accessories freely. Oh, rather than having to try and get a big Apple buddy shouldn't. No, no. So on last week's episode, I was half remembering something that Craig Federegi said about Apple's training data for photos. I had a couple of people write in and Jamie was one of them who said, I'm almost son. See, Jamie's in the same boat as me. The reference to licensing images was

Craig Federegi at a talk show live, but I can't find any reference to it. I agree. This is where I remember it. Jamie says the decision was about Google's image processing in the cloud as opposed to on device. And whether that was limiting Apple's accuracy because they didn't have access to user photos. And pretty sure he said something along the lines off, we don't need to scrape our users data to find photos of trees to train on, which I remember saying I remember people cheering

clapping. And I think he clarified that they licensed imagery. This is what I remember. So the fact that Jamie also remembers it this way, I'm just going to take it. That's for sure. Because what I don't really want to do is watch hours and hours and hours of all talk show videos to find it. So I'm just going to say they said it just to make sure that this is not a Mandela effect type situation. We are collectively making up something that did this occurred. This this statement.

Well, I don't know. Maybe this is a Mandela effect situation. Me and Jamie are the one we're in it now, but I'm just going to take it as fact. Okay. Okay. I'm sure somebody will find it. If it actually happened, I tried looking on pod search and couldn't find that. Before last week's episode, I was I was googling. I was searching. I was trying all kinds of stuff. And I just couldn't find anything definitive. And so I'm just going to take it as this is what happened. Okay. All right.

So that that sound we have played a couple of times. Welcome back to correctionies. Reoccurring quizies sub segment. It's the it's a podcast within a game show where I correct quizies results from previous episodes. Jason of quizipedia wrote in to say apologies for the related follow up. But when catching up on the quizies, I noticed an important issue in episode 484. Two questions were incorrectly graded. Number one and number three. Number three is

a wash. Stephen and Federico should have both gotten 100 points. But in the first question, Federico was actually right and Stephen was wrong. So this was where I was asking you to guess previous picks. I don't know what happened. But I think I well, I know I wrote down some stuff incorrectly. I wrote down some stuff. I also know what happened. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Federico, this is an energy that you can give. But ultimately, you're going to win out of this.

So like, I'm not, you know, I wouldn't really worry about it too much. And so basically, I scored things incorrectly. There is now a new points total. And I realize now, I may have not actually calculated the points total correctly. But we're, of course, of course. Yeah. Basically, some mistakes were made. All right. I'm just, I'm just, I'm about one man. And now the, the, the, the new points total is Federico has 390 points. And Stephen has 370 points.

And that's where we are. So Federico is now in the lead. So a complete reversal of the entire game that was only noticed by Jason of Quisipedia. Thank you. It's a complete reversal. You're just, well, I am now winning. And I'm likely in the lead. Quisly, quite in the lead, 120 points. You know, I felt, I felt that I was actually doing better. All right. There's, there's more corrections coming in now through the discord, which is weird

to me. It's like, why are all the corrections coming now? That's what I want to know about. So I tell you what, how about the discord? Someone in the discord tell me what the points are. And I'm just going to update the points to be whatever that is. No, we got to do a recount. We got to stop the count and do a recount. Yes. Yes. All right. I can do that. And by the end of this episode, there will be update points for you. How about that? Yeah. Thank you. Anyway, it was our like four hematuries.

I, from this moment on, I retire. Quisies is dead. Oh, no, you've done it now. I hope you're all happy with yourselves. The quiz is dead. It's over. No one, it's not happening anymore. Quisies is dead. No. Quisies is dead. Quisies is dead. Is it dead? No. Before this correction, we're on the winner. This is dead. Goodbye, Quisies. Mike, let me make you, let me make you feel better with some teach Italian.

I'm actually, it doesn't actually go on. So today we are going to learn some basic activities for when you're going to travel to Italy next. More specifically, I want you to learn how to say that you want to eat because you're hungry. You know, very basic like a human survival type situation. You get up, find some food. We're going to do the very basics breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Right? So how would you say those things and how would you use them in a sentence?

So let's start from, start from the morning, obviously with breakfast. Now these words are potentially complicated for you guys, especially the first one. So good luck. Breakfast is colazione. Colazione. Yes. That's correct, Mike. Can I hear it one more time? Sure. Colazione. Colazione. Colazione. What I'm trying to say is cola and calzone smashed together. No, no, no, calzoneione. Calzoneione, baby. So cola, so cola is easy enough. Cola. The second part of the word,

cione. Cione. Yes. Yes. Close enough. Yes. Perfect. Lunch. Pranzo. Pranzo. Oh, yeah. Pranzo. Yeah. And this is another one. Pranzo. And in Romanian, it's prunz. Prunz? Oh, that's that's the R-A-N-Z. I don't really like prunz. Prunz. Prunz. Prunz is a different word that I've forgotten now. So depending on the prunz, I think sounds like plums. It's very confused. Yes. So in proper Italian, you would say pranzo like I told you, I wouldn't say pranzo. I would say pranzo.

Like that's with a slightly different Z sound at the end. That's the sort of dialect that we have over here in Rome. And lastly, now when you look at dinner, you may think of the famous wrestler and actor John Cena. Well, in fact, you pronounce this, China. That's how you say it. Not Cena, it's China. China. Yes. Perfect. D-D-D-D-D-D- China. Yes. China. All right. So now we know these words. And so let's say they are in Italy and you're staying at a hotel or something.

And you say, hey, let's go have dinner. Right? How would you say that in Italian to maybe one of your Italian local friends or something? Let's go have dinner. Andiamo means we go. A-2-Cena. Andiamo. A-Cena. Andiamo. A-Cena. Yes. Yes. That is perfect. Now let's make it finally. One more thing for you guys. Slightly more complicated. What should I cook for lunch? So let's say that you're staying in Italy at an Airbnb. You have a kitchen or something. And you have an Italian guest.

And you want to impress the guest. So what should I cook for lunch? You would say, actually, let me correct you. There's a typo in my home translation. Oh, stop the cancel. No, this is not a cancel situation. There's nothing to count. Cosa de vocusionare per pranzo. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. So this is again. Okay. So let me translate. What is Cosa? All right. The first word. Cosa. Should I, yes, should I is devil. It means it would be like I'm a must-tie. It would be like a proper, this verb means must.

To like, to having to do something. So Cosa de vocusionare for lunch per means for pranzo, which is lunch. Cosa de vocusionare per pranzo. Perfect. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that's good. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. Cosa de va. Yes. Kaina de vo. Yes. Cusionare. Cursionare. Yes. Per pranzo. Yes. That's good. Well done. Well done. These are two actual sentences that you learn today. Thank you for following along. What a time. What a time.

You can just come to Italy and offer people to come to lunch. I just walk around Rome. Yeah. The problem is when they tell me what they want for lunch, I'll have no idea what they're saying. You'd be like, aha. See? See? Yes. See? Yeah. This episode of Connected is brought to you by Jam.

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There's currently some game emulation drama going on on the App Store. As Apple revealed, well, it last week that they updated the developer guidelines for the App Store. We spoke about it last week, so it happened a little bit. We spoke about it last week. A few days at that. The game emulators for retro consoles are now allowed on the App Store.

And sure enough for the past week, the first submissions for game emulators appear on the App Store, except that there's a bit of drama going on, because not all of these emulators are actually legit. The first case of this currently unfolding drama was the first Game Boy emulator that was released on the App Store, called IGBA. Now, this looked familiar to me when I first saw it, and sure enough, this IGBA it looked like a ripoff version of Riley Tested.

You may remember Riley as one of the founders of Alt Store. It looked like a ripoff full of ads of Riley's original open source project, GBA for iOS. GBA for iOS, which eventually became part of Delta, the Delta emulator. But I remember GBA for iOS is one of the first like legit Game Boy advanced emulators for iOS. And this IGBA emulator that was released on the App Store last week was just a ripoff of that open source project.

And I'm pretty sure the Riley head in the licensing for the open source project clause, not to release forks of GBA for iOS on the App Store. You have out these approval. You had like absolutely. Which by the way, breaking news, Mac rumors to put the links in the show notes, the Delta game emulator is now available on the iPhone. What? Delta is now on the iPhone. What the Riley has shipped download it right now.

This is a question that I have in our show notes, which I was wondering about, is if Delta would be on the App Store App Store or if he was just going to keep it for the Alt Store? But no, it's on the App Store now, and you can download it. And so Steve and Steve said, you should do what I have done with the two other emulators we're going to talk about today. I just downloaded them immediately. And so I'm doing that again here. So Delta is here, and it covers NES, SNES, N64 and DS.

Geez. Yes, baby, let's go. Love it, let's go. That's very great news. Yeah, so this is a legit from Riley, right? It's not like this. No, this is, I mean, I'm trusting Mac rumors, but yes, I'm going to go ahead and say that this is legit. Nice, nice. And I just, yeah, I got the test it tech, App Store account, and it's available on a bunch of devices on the Mac too. Yeah, this is the right call from Riley. I think, you know, without waiting for Alt Store in the, you just put it on the App Store.

Also, like, even put it on Alt Store, but like, the Alt Store isn't everywhere else. What will be interesting is if like, it keeps it available in Europe. It's an old pro too. Hold on, hold on, because I think we have more breaking news. I believe that as of a few minutes ago, Alt Store is now live in the EU. Okay. I thought that now I'd be happening. Paul, now available. Okay. So these are things that are happening as we're recording today. But this still is an interesting thing to talk about.

So because one of the things we were really wondering is like, how is this actually going to play out? Because like, Apple were quite loose with their rules and they were talking about retro games and stuff like that. So we're starting to get more answers now, because they're appearing. There was one for the Game Boy that Federico mentioned that was kind of using the Delta open source code. There was one for NES as well called Bimy.

Bimy, sorry. Bimy. Bimy. Bimy. So the Bimy one was removed because the developer was scared. The developer had a fear of repercussions. So basically both Emulators appeared, got covered on websites and went down again. And now Delta, I think, is the third to, like, come on the scene and we're assuming won't go away unless there's some kind of legal issue.

But because of these removals, it was prompting websites like 9 to 5 Mac rumors to ask Apple to try and give more concrete answers around the way Emulators could be handled on the App Store. Because there was a lot of questions like, who's taking these down? Why are they being taken down? They're being taken down because they run ROMs, like what's going on? And I've got a quote here. Apple confirmed to Mac rumors that Emulators on the App Store are permitted to load ROMs downloaded from the web.

So long as the app is emulating retro console games only. Again, what is retro? We don't know. And I think Apple is going to lean on the ambiguity of that word. Yeah. Right. I think that retro. I'd be surprised if retro is ever defined. Yeah. It's like, you know, when you see a type deal, like, like we discussed last week, like, is the PS1 retro probably is the PlayStation 2 retro? Probably is the PlayStation 3 retro? Like, that's where personally, I would draw the line at the PS3 Xbox 360 era.

But we'll see what Apple thinks, I guess. Yeah. So we now have them. I think this is interesting. We have a good Emulator. I think the question is, like, what is going. I really don't know. I can't believe it's going to be a new or a new one. I really don't know. I feel like I can't foresee what's going to happen here. Like, is this going to be something that everyone is going to be okay with? I guess. I mean, that's everyone has been okay with them on PC, on Android.

And this is just what's going to happen now. They're all talking about. There seems to be like, there has to be this retro thing is the important part, right? And so everyone has to be, as you say, cool with it. Like, there's going to be a certain point. Like, is the Wii U like all enough game cube? Like, these are the things that's going to have to happen. Yeah. I think Mike in this card just wrote something that I think it's sort of like a vibe-spaced policy. Like, it's a vibe.

Like, is the Wii U retro? I would say no. It's, I don't know, maybe, and look, maybe a simple rule would be anything that is older than 10 years can be, or 15 years can be considered retro. I don't know who's going to come up with that definition, but maybe that could be an approach. Like, just draw the line at a specific time period. And that's what you can say. It's retro. Maybe. Well, I don't think Apple will draw the line all. I don't want to draw the line.

You don't want to put this in writing, right? To be like everything from this. But again, I feel convinced that they are going to do everything that they possibly can to stay out of this, right? Which comes down to that thing of like, you have to own the rums. That's what they're saying, right? Essentially. That has to be your property. Well, everybody knows that it's not. But that's just what Apple's going to say. It was like, well, you signed up to the rules.

An R rules said you needed to own the intellectual property of the emulator of the games that go in your emulator. Which like, there is a scenario in which such a thing could exist, right? Nintendo could put this on the store. And it's essentially emulating a console, right? Or like, Apple could make an emulator for Classic Mac and put it on the App Store if they wanted to. Like, they own that IP.

And so when Nintendo, if Nintendo come and say, hey, there is a Wii U emulator on the App Store, then Apple goes, here's the contact information for that developer. We wish you the best of luck. And I don't, I don't have a problem with that. Like, I think that this is the way it should be done. Apple, this is not on Apple, in my opinion. Like, it is interesting that they've made this available now. Like, this is a thing that can now exist out in the world.

But I do feel like this is something that this is on the, the companies that decide to make them. And the company is not only IP. This is a conversation between two of them. I don't feel like this is something that Apple should be involved in. But then I also do want this kind of thinking to extend to lots of other stuff that happens in the App Store. The Apple doesn't feel the need to put it off in the middle of anything. But they do. So, but this is really interesting.

I, I've never used Delta. Because I've never wanted to jump through the hoops of doing like this. Like, the side loading or whatever. Federica have used it before. It's very good. It's excellent. Yeah. I'm using it right now. What are you doing? What are you doing? Playing Star Fox 64 on my iPhone. Did you just have a star Fox? How do you have that? Like, you just got that. We don't have to talk about where the rom came from. No, okay. Well, yeah, let me ask a quick question.

Did you acquire it just now? Or did you already have previous acquisition of such a thing from the source just now? Not just now. Interesting. Interesting. There are devices that you can buy that can do this, right? Like, what is the one that I'm thinking of? Is it the communicator or something it's called, I think? Which is the... No, the GBO operator. Which is the one that you operate. GBO operator. That's the word I'm looking for. That's the word I'm looking for.

That is a device that I own and have used. And it's cool. I just wanted to tell you that I signed in with my EU account. And I am now using old store on my iPhone. Tell us about what that's like. Can you explain what's going on here? Yeah. So I first had to sign in with my... As we established last week, I had to sign in with my Italian Apple ID for the App Store. Then I paid 1.50 something cents Euro fee to old store. That's how they're dealing with the CTF, I guess. You got a...

That's per year, right? Per year, yeah. Using Stripe. And then a page came up in Safari saying, thank you for supporting us. Download. I clicked the download button and it told me you need to approve these installation in settings. I took screenshots of everything. So let me go through the screenshots. Your installation set is on this iPhone. Don't allow apps by old store to be installed directly from the web. You can change these settings.

I opened the settings app at the very top of the settings app. There was an option to allow installation from old store LLC. I tapped that button and a full screen prompt came up saying, allow apps from old store LLC. And there were two buttons, allow and ignore. I tapped allow, then I went back to Safari. In Safari, I clicked download and another full screen prompt came up saying, allstore.io, that's the website, would like to install an upper marketplace. I clicked install up marketplace.

The icon did not end up on my home screen. It ended up on the app library. That's I guess because of how I've configured my iPhone. Then I opened all store and I went to the apps section. There was clip. I had already pledged using Patreon for clip. I clicked install and when I clicked install, another full screen prompt came up saying, allstore would like to install an app. I clicked install app and let's see. I now have clip on my iPhone and clip. Oh yeah, clip.

Allow clip to use your approximate location. This is how they're this is what they're using to monitor the clipboard in the background. It literally has a map view that I assume is going to show you all the things you've copied and where geographically. That's a clever workaround. But yeah, I got it. Now, we're doing this live, I guess, right? What happens? What happens? I think I can put it on record. I'm going to be the first person to do this ever, at least live on a show.

What happens if I sign out of my Italian Apple ID for the apps from set? I've downloaded some stuff. I've downloaded some stuff. I have an app marketplace and an app from a marketplace on my iPhone. I'm going to sign out. Let's see. Ah, okay. Oh no. So this is a location prompt. So this is nothing related to the app store. Let's see if I'm logged out. I am not logged in anymore. So if I open all store, I mean it's working. And I open clip and it's working.

You know, it's so what happens if I sign the phone? Maybe restart the phone and I'll let you know how it goes. But yeah, after signing out, it seems to be working. Now I restart the phone. Thank you, EU, big day for Riley Tesset, right? Delta on the app store and the whole store. Yeah. The one euro 50. That would cover the fee for you. Plus they would get 50 cents, right? Is that right? How much is the call technology fee? Is it a euro? Is it euro 50? It's a half euro, I think.

It's half a euro, so they're making a euro. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. So all happening. I am. Yeah. It's it's here. And by the way, I was able to install everything from the web. So that was nice from Safari. And all store, Riley actually has a blog post showing off some examples of apps that will be available on all store, including UTM. I'm really excited to try this one. That's a virtual machine that lets you run windows on an iPad, for example. There's a bunch of things.

Okay, so my phone restarted. Okay. Again, we're doing this live. I can confirm I am still signed out from the app store. So no Apple ID. Let's see. All store launches. And clip is working. No Apple ID in your US Apple ID. No, I am into no Apple ID at the moment. All right. Sign into your US Apple ID. Yeah, but that breaks it. Oh, you're not breaking it, but you know, turn it off. Let's see. Well, we're going to do this. I'm signing in.

And by the way, clip is now literally monitoring my clipboard in the background. It's crazy to have this sort of feature now. But everything I copy, I get a notification of my phone. I am signing. I am signing with my US Apple ID again. Let's first quit the app store to make sure. I'm signing with my US Apple ID. I am first quitting all store, just to be safe. It's working. As I said before, you are in an ad, you are in the edges edge case, right? So like, who knows, right?

Maybe this works for 30 days. And then it cuts off. Like we really don't know what. If I got a sign out and sign back in every 30 days, I'll take it. Yeah, that's not that's not too bad. Yeah, yeah, I'll take it. And just as another test, let's see if I'm actually going to MacStories.net. And I'm copying some text with just clips up. And it's like, hey, copy. Oh my god, it's instant. Flipboard change, swipe down to save to clip. Swipe down. Allow paste. Oh, this is so, this is incredible.

Imagine the world you live in now. Oh my god. Oh my god. I'm going to get so much work done on my phone now. Too bad you can't do it on the iPad. No, he's going to cut an iPhone in half. And then he's going to like stick an iPad screen on the iPhone. That's probably what's going to happen. I have never seen this guy. So when you get the notification from clip, I thought that like you had to swipe down and press a button. But it's not like that.

You literally, it's something that I've never seen done before. You literally just swipe down the notification. And when you swipe it down, it disappears. And it copies. Like it doesn't show you. It doesn't show you any more UI. It's just this is wild. And yeah, it also works with images. Yeah. Well, okay. Well, this segment went off the rails completely. Basically, there are, there were emulators. Those went away. And now the one everyone wants is here. And also Europe. Here we are.

I would like to issue my quizies corrections. Thank you to Jeremy and Kate and the discord. We have now corrected everything. The scores of 2024 stand as Stephen with 370 points. And Federico with 490 points. So Federico is 120 points in the lead. But it doesn't matter now because I retired. No, come on. That's the end. Say goodbye. You know, say goodbye. Goodbye. I refuse. No, I'm not saying goodbye to the quizzes. No, I'm not.

Now I just need to work out what is that you need to do to get Nintendo DS games running on Delta. Because they haven't put all the files in. There's like something I need to work out. Mike, I literally got you. I know you got me waiting for this. I have been waiting for this moment for my friends. I had a folder in my icon driver, like the past couple of years called Nintendo DS. Bias and firmware. Now will it contain screenshots? Will it contain photos of my dogs?

Will it contain, I don't know, Nintendo files? Who knows? Maybe I'm going to send you pictures of my dogs. I can tell. Yeah. You could tell. You could tell what's in this folder. Yeah. Check out a message. Thank you. It's pretty, it's a wild world that all this stuff is just happening. Yeah. And look, who says regulation does nothing? Now we can all play Star Fox 64 on our iPhone. I'm going to play Pokemon on my iPhone. Yeah. I have wanted to do this for nearly 20 years.

Nintendo, why did you never do this? You know, this was there for you. Like Pokemon read on an iPhone. I should have been able to do this before now. Now thank you to Riley. Thank you Riley. Yeah. Did you know that there's a service called Delta Sync that uses Dropbox to sync your stuff? No, I don't know anything about this. Yeah, you can sync your games, save data, save states and cheats between devices. Is it an official thing? Yeah, it's in Delta. It's in the Delta settings. I got a bad news.

I got a bad news. I got a bad news. Bad news. The iPad version of Delta is always just an iPhone app in the center of the screen. hilarious. Well, okay. I mean, give Riley some time, you know, you know, it's just saying maybe sweet to have it. Set your iPad up, use a controller, play some games. Well, that's weird. That is not on the iPhone. All right. So I have my Nintendo. And I'm going to send it all set up. Yeah, nice.

So what I like, what I love about Delta though, for example, to give an example, because I've been following this scene for a long time, like it. So many of these janky emulators that are coming out on the app store. Now, they are usually either repoffs of other emulators, such as the case for GBA for iOS or they are web wrappers, like they're like a little view for actually a web page for one of these online emulators that exist that also exist these days.

For example, that adboy emulator that came out was literally a web view for the adboy online emulator. Whereas with Delta, you get a proper emulator made by someone who actually developed a GBA emulator before. And for the Nintendo DS emulation, it tells you what kind of emulator core it's using. And in the case of DS emulation in Delta, it's using Malon DS, which is a popular DS emulator with a core built into Delta. So like it's got, you know, the source and the developer.

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Our thanks to Squarespace for their support of connected and relay FM. I've made a purchase. Okay. Is it Star Fox? Yes. The humane AI pent-num is getting. No. Oh, I was so excited. I was so excited. I was so excited. I was taking one for the team, you know. That taken a real big one, real, real big one, a real warm one right to the sternum. Everyone's seen humane. Humane AI pent reviews. I'm sure about now. David Pierce had a great job. I guess brownie did a great job. I read some others.

Just just a hot mess of a product. It's bad. Mike, I know something you have said before. You know, what was the plan for this before chat GBT came along. And, you know, I think maybe the plan was just like, Hey, we're just going to have like a little Siri-like thing and maybe do it all. So nice. I had someone to contact me on Macedon to say it at like, they believed that this was always the plan because if you were working in AI, you knew something that was coming. I don't buy that idea.

I just don't. I think it's what you were saying. I expect they were building something that was going to be as much of a assistant as Google assistant as as a series and all those kinds of things. But then when I think about that, I'm like, so why can't the thing even set a timer? Did they start over, which is possible? Like, I would love to know, like, what was this product going to be? Because I do not believe when they started it that they... Well, okay, because here's the thing, right?

This is what this guy said. It has been Ramon saying in the chat too, that they felt like this was going to happen. Fine. So did they build a product not knowing how it was going to connect to anything? Because like, OpenAI have their system. But it wasn't like that you couldn't have guaranteed that there would be a company that had a large language model that they were going to allow you to plug into via an API. No one could have known that. If that was the bet, that is very strange to me.

That like, they were building a product with no idea what it was going to be powered by. They just started building it. Like, with an idea. That seems very strange. And then I was also getting into the idea of like, they wanted to build... Like, we talk about this a lot, right? Like, if you were building something on top of somebody else's thing, you're opening yourself up to trouble anyway. Because then you were at the whims of another person.

I mean, there is an argument about that for all of AI right now, which is like, everyone's building at the whim of even Microsoft or Nvidia or both. And like, wherever those companies decide to go, is where the whole industry is going to go? You mean OpenAI? So the Microsoft... No. Well, I mean, because I'm thinking of Azure. But yeah, you could throw OpenAI in there too, depending on the type of company you are. Because like, people use...

People use Azure to host their stuff, which, that's one of the reasons Microsoft and OpenAI are working together. Or you could plug into OpenAI and just have like a front end on to chat GPD. Or you're relying on Nvidia to power the data centers. Like, this is weird anyway, but... Anyway, look, whatever it is, I... this product's obviously bad. And it's bad for a bunch of reasons. Like, it's bad because $700 is bad that it has a monthly subscription fee.

And it's bad that it just doesn't work for... It doesn't work very well. And I also really recommend people listen to the VergeCast as well from last week. Because it's just interesting. I like it. And I think we would all enjoy it. And I will enjoy it in the way of just like listening to them debate the score. Which is just fun. Because David Pearce gave it a four. But there is an argument that it should have been a three. And just hearing them argue about a four versus a three.

I just find kind of fun in a way. Like, that's just like a fun thing for me. But... I don't... I don't know if I was surprised by the reviews. I do think I expected it to be... To get a little bit more mixed reviews than it did where the reviews were just universally like this is bad. You know? I don't know if I necessarily thought we were going to be at that level. What do you guys think? I mean, I... I was hoping that they would be... The product was going to be better.

I got to say, I was hoping that... Obviously that the hardware itself wouldn't get hot on your chest. Yeah, that was a big one. For our products to get warm, the pin that goes on your t-shirt, like, that's a very bad product to not fine-tune so that it doesn't get hot. Uncomfortablely so, on your chest. But yeah, like I said it before, like, I... I think this is an interesting form factor. And I would totally buy something from Apple that does this sort of thing.

Like all these devices, like the Rabbit R1, the AI pin, like I would like to have the Apple version of this in the future that integrates with my ecosystem. For all the reasons that you and Jason mentioned and upgrade, when it comes to, you know, the locking effect for iOS and Android, it's the reason why I don't... I mean, intrigued, but ultimately I don't want to buy this product. But I was still hoping that it was going to be better than this.

I mean, basic things, like it cannot set timers, or it just doesn't understand what you're saying. It takes forever to respond. The laser UI is so weird. Like, it screams to me of a kind of product that was conceived in one way and shipped in another. And I think you can tell that the experience isn't finished, because the product isn't finished, because maybe a version of a different product was finished, but that's not the one that goes for sale. I don't know why they shipped it.

Now, I genuinely don't know why they shipped it now. I can't understand the scenario where this is what they did. Like, their roadmap has a bunch of stuff on it, right? And I'm kind of a bit surprised of why didn't they just wait a little bit longer? Like, what was the harm in delaying this? I don't know what that harm would have been, because I don't... This just doesn't feel like it's it, right? So, let me just give you a thing. So, you've got the summer version of this, right?

So, the spring is shipped is 1.1, and that does everything that it does right now. Their summer release has the nutrition stuff in it, which they showed up a bunch, but isn't in there right now. Photo sharing via SMS. Right now, if you send an image to someone that you've taken on the AI pin, it sends them a link to go and download it. Timers and a clock. Like, I think it can tell the time, but I don't know if that's built anything about, we're going to the web for that. Time-based reminders.

Just like a few other things. It's kind of like, why? I don't... Yeah, I don't... I know you've got to ship at some point, right? Like, you do. But this just felt like it won it. Yeah, and I really wonder where the product can go, and we'll talk about in a minute, like, if it's in the public, because it's been killed now anyway. But I do... The whole thing is very strange to me. The hardware looks good. It feels well-thought-out. It seems like he to issues assigned. They'd built good hardware.

Like, the whole package that you get looks fantastic. It looks nice. It looks nice. It looks like something Apple built, like genuinely. That's what it looks like. The fact that that projector actually works at all, I think, is a big surprise to me. Like, I thought that there was no way... I genuinely, when I started out for the first time, I was like, they weren't ship with that. They can't do that. They did that. Like, I think that that is impressive. Like, they managed that.

Yeah, it doesn't work great in a lot of sunlight. Okay. But that's the thing that my iPad isn't great outside either. You know what I mean? This is a problem always. The fact that it works at all, I think, should be commended. But there are just things about this product, a peculiar, and a lot of it is the way... I mean, a lot of the problems that this product has is because it can't connect to your phone. And that is just the fundamental issue at play here.

It hasn't got any of that information about you. And it needs its own phone number because it can't connect to a phone. Like, it just can't do that. And that is the problem. But then their execution of what they tried to build also wasn't great. I think something that I shouldn't have been surprised about, but it was to see it was how long it takes to do everything. A long time. But like, if you talk to ChatGPT, you're waiting for the answer, right? But it's like, it's whatever.

But there's just something about the way that this product is. You're like, ask a question, and then you just kind of like, you're not looking at anything. Like, at least for ChatGPT, you watch it, stop writing, Nihonza. So you feel like something's happening. And also because I think as humans, I think we are naturally inclined to accept latency with text, but not with speech. Because, for example, you wait for a response to a text.

You don't wait for a response to a question to put somebody you're talking to, you know, usually. Yeah, at least with no visual cue, right? Like, if I ask you a question, I can see your thinking, I can see your thinking. But if I can't see you, it's strange. It's still kind of awkward if you're just going to stare at me. I'm like, hmm, going, imagine me going like, hmm, for 10 seconds in front of you. Like, that would be strange. It would be strange.

But it's not as strange as if I asked you a question, and you just sat doing nothing looking blankly at me for 10 seconds. That would be truly weird. Yeah, but still, I think the reason why people are okay with chat GPs, because like, it's like when you're watching the type indicator for somebody on Nihonza and you're WhatsApp, like, okay, they're typing. And chat GPs, like, okay, it's typing. Give it a second. And, but with speech, you got to be fast. You got to be instant.

Otherwise, it's just odd. I am bummed out about this though. Like, I'm bummed out about the product is where it is. Like, there is a possibility that it sets this kind of hardware back a little bit, but probably it will be okay. But like, I wanted it to be successful because I like technology. Ultimately. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. And it hasn't been in it, isn't it? I'm really intrigued about the RABBAR R1. I think reviews for that should be coming very soon now too.

What is it launching? Like, next week, I think. Next week. Yeah. Can you buy more? I know that people that ordered them, they're shipping. And I think they have an event. I got an Instagram ad today to tell me that they have a pickup event. Which I think it's next week. And I also think I heard David Pierce say that the reviews are expected in the next week or so. My thinking about that is I think that that product has less lofty ambition. And so it may review better.

Maybe that's my kind of got feeling on it. Like, people might be expecting less from it. And so it may review a little bit more on the scale. Like, I think that the scale that the AI pin got reviewed on was way higher than it should have been. And that is because of the way you may pitched it. Right. And the price. I think those two things are in the price. Yes. Two sides of the coin. Yeah. Because it's a phone. Right. That's a price of a phone.

Yes. The price of a monthly subscription for a phone. And so like that, that is you're really putting it up there. And I feel like a $200 device, which is looks like a toy and kind of acts like a toy. It might get it. It might review differently. I'm really intrigued. I don't have super high hopes now, especially coming off this. But I really hope that this is like in a couple of years time, we will laugh more about this because of how good X is instead. Right.

Like this is going to be something else which comes along and is super good. But yeah, this one. What do you all think about this in the context of the DOJs complaint over the iPhone and like the Apple Watch, for instance, where they basically say, Hey, Apple, you have built these things such a way where other companies can't integrate with your devices. Is that a factor with this? Would this have been better if they could tap into like all the Apple Watch stuff or things like that?

Or do you think that's sort of a separate issue? Well, I think this is the, I think this is honestly for me like is proving the DOJs complaint to be more right? Yeah. Like, yeah, the smartwatch thing. Okay, right. Like I get it, but fine. I mean, they mentioned the smartwatch, but I think it's a broader issue than just that. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

I mentioned the smartwatch because that's what we have, right? Like and if they're going to try and make a case, they might be able to find evidence to talk about that. But I think that this kind of product is showing that like it's what Jason wrote about last week. Like, we are in a situation where this type of product can really only be truly effective. If either it's made by Google or Apple or it's so incredible that everyone wants to plug into it. And that's the original iPhone, right?

Like the original iPhone was successful because everyone wanted to make apps for it. Like there is another device and we spoke about this with like I think probably the closest thing on the horizon would be a Johnny I've Sam Altman device might be the only thing where it might generate enough excitement from the wider tech community that like Google want to make an app for it, right? But like, yeah, it was not making an app for the AI pin. They're just not going to do that and say you're stuck.

And but if this device could connect to my iPhone and could transmit data between the two, it would be infinitely better. But Apple's not going to allow that because they're going to make their own one. And like I think that's a problem. I think that's a problem. I think it is too. And we don't I mean, we can't know for sure that this would be like a radically better device if it was more integrated with our phones.

I think part of specifically this device, one reason this device is complicated to talk about because the company behind it. You know, some of those people made the first iPhones and now they're they seem to be bent on building a world without the smartphone, which is like a bet that I would never take. Smart phones are the win against. But in the world, you know, the next one of these things that comes along, maybe it's not designed by somebody who is anti smartphone.

They are limited in what they can do. And I don't know if the D OJ suits the way to fix that. But I think the suit does talk about it in an interesting way. Yeah, it does. So you're not mind one. Plan and I like I am I want to play with my own. So many open to the rabbit. Like yeah, I may be more yeah, I think I'm in the symbol. I think I'm on more in treat by the rabbit. $200 and if it's fun to play with, then I will enjoy it. Right.

I said, I know what I'm going to what I what I should do with it. Like that I don't know like no, well, they need to show you that right like that's yeah, I agree with you. I don't know either, but that's what I'm hoping in the next week or so. Someone's going to show me. I mean, it's kind of funny. Maybe it's going to happen again. Because on last week's episode, we were like, where are the reviews of the AI pin and it came to that day. So maybe tomorrow.

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The all of the internet now is talking about muckers brown Lee mkbhd's review of the product. I mean, it really just seemed to stem from a tweet to someone posted and they're just like, you shouldn't write. You shouldn't publish reviews that are so negative you could kill companies essentially. And this has been a storm that has been brewing for muckers for like a month or two based upon a review he did of a car called the fiscal ocean. Is that it Stephen?

Yeah, this is an EV sort of crossover that is pretty bad in terms of software and some physical things in the car. He had a bad review negative review of it. As did basically every other cards or a list that have touched the thing and he was towards the end of the review cycle.

So he views the car he says it's bad. He shows all the ways that it's bad and as do other all the other car reviewers that spend time with it, they all have, you know, kind of overlapping comments on the places where this car isn't up to standards that we expect now. And his view comes out and in before his review came out, this is already true, but it continued after his review came out, Fiskers and a death spiral financially.

And their stock has been cratering for some time. They have been warned that they could be de listed from the stock market in the US because if there's a certain threshold if you fall below for certain amount of time, you'll be de listed. So that's going on, but people say, well, he's probably killed Fiskers because of this negative review. He has a follow up video because in this process, Fiskers says, hey, hey, we're going to have a software update. It's going to fix all this stuff.

One thing about that software update, I just want to note is that they have to have physical hands on the car. Fiskers has a synatechnition to you to apply the update because this car is so broken, it can't run over the air updates, which is like my Toyota can do, right? Let not an EV, not a fancy car like it can do it. Fiskers even botched that. And he reviewed it with the new software and some of the stuff was better. So if it was worse, some of it was the same.

But that was sort of the background and that wasn't on his main channel that was on his autofocus channel, but that was sort of in the background leading up to the humane I pin. Yeah, but it's still got five million views that video has been incredibly successful. I think because people wanted to see the review of the car that was bad.

And so like this has been, I think this has been like a storm brewing for him now, like, and I think part of it, part of it is just because people want to chase for cloud online. Right. And so like, I think one of the reasons this guy posted this tweet saying like, oh, you should do no harm in your product reviews shouldn't be so negative you can kill companies. I think part of that is like, oh, this guy's name is Daniel Vassala and publish this post.

I think there is part of it where it's like, well, this is going to get you a lot of engagement. But I think part of what's going on here is, it's something that I think we've been saying for a while. I've said it for a while. I've believed for many years now that Marcus Brownlee is the single most important one individual person in technology. Like that he's so powerful in his audience size. And he because he's so good at what he does that he has the ability to shape opinion.

And like, that's what I think is is going on here. Like, he made a really good review talking, sorry, he made a really good review about the air pin is fantastic. And then he made a really good video talking about it and all the drama about it. And I do believe still that he has the ability to massively change the fortunes of a company due to his reach and the respect the people have for him.

But I don't I don't think that he is like quote unquote responsible for these other companies because it comes down to for both of these companies with Fiska and Humane. Marcus didn't get anything like really wrong. Like he just reviewed the products for what they are right. Like you can see it in the videos he talks about how they are. If this kills those companies, it's not here's responsibility.

Like, especially when like a certain thing they sent it to him like, yeah, like it's not like he like hunted it down to get it and do a hit job. Like they sent him the product. He was a reviewer for the product. But what I do feel like is the thing here is that Marcus is so popular.

He has the ability to change public perception. Like there are there is probably four million people out of like say like the four million on 20 people that would have watched these video about the air pin that now would never buy the air pin. Which is the was what he's reviews are for is to inform you. But now like there's so many more people that have an opinion about Humane than they did prior to watching that video.

But that is just the nature of this because the flip side of it is Marcus Browning has the ability to make you as well. Like if Humane had a product and it was really good in his video came out and it was really good orders would have gone through the roof. This is just what happens. It's up to the companies to make the products. He's going to review the products. If it's good, great. If it's bad, it's not great.

And then that's just kind of the way it goes. Right. That's that's my two cents on this situation anyway. This whole story made me think about something that that I don't know what kind of feelings I have because I think to an extent we are also part of that problem. What we do. And so obviously I mean the whole story regarding Mark has and the criticism from that guy on Twitter. It's silly. Like do know how or more does that even mean they're not going to have a medical doctor review an iPhone.

So it case you and case people that that is part of the Hippocratic oath that doctors take. And it's like look, oh, okay, a company is like that's just the way it goes. Yeah. And I could tell you I did not take that oath when I got my journalism diploma. Like, you know, it's not it's not a thing. Yeah. So obviously that is silly and I agree with Mike. It's probably something done for cloud or engagement on Twitter because some people do that.

And if that person generally believes that idea, well, they generally believe a stupid idea. So that being said, you know, Marquez, like any other journalist is just doing his job reviewing attack product and sometimes it's a good product and sometimes it's now and it's a really bad one.

The job of any critic, I think, is to be able to separate feelings from, you know, feelings and context from the actual work that you're reviewing, whether it's a product like a like a device in this case or a movie or an app or a music album. Context and feelings are important, but you got to write for consumers. If that's what you want to do and you know, people who you're telling people should you spend your money on these are not.

But this whole story made me think that we live in such fascinating times now and it's kind of scary. I mean, this is what I'm about to say is probably so obvious that like most people will react by saying teach you why you're even saying these things. But like I think it's I think it's so different from when we were younger than now individuals. They're not part of any organization.

I have the power to really make or break companies and sure a company breaks itself if it releases a bad product. But I guess what changed now is that these consequences can be so much faster and at a global scale than they used to be. Like if a company like for example, let's take the when we were kids like obviously the Sega game gear was a bad product, you know.

But like that became clear if my memory serves over time because then maybe you started buying video game magazines and then you realize others not so many games coming out or the battery. It requires too many batteries and they don't last long and that was before the internet obviously there was no NKBHD for the Sega game gear in the 90s telling you hey you shouldn't buy this thing.

So now the consequences of these reviews from online creators are massive and immediate and I think that is kind of scary like if you are like Mike you make products. Imagine if somebody with the scale of MKBHD makes a video that says hey you know this notebook they suck they're terrible you shouldn't buy them you would face immediate consequences from that video and I think that's kind of scary.

I mean it is scary I mean it's scary that someone could just make that video and they're wrong right like that's the scary part.

If someone is making a like they're being truthful in their product review I would feel confident because I think the products are good but if there are things that I know aren't good about them then they're going to explain them they're going to show them and the nest is on me right like if there was some like fatal floor where like once you got to the 10th page of our notebooks all the pages fell out like I would know about that you know. I guess what concerns me is obviously we all like them.

MKBHD because it does great work but like if this is how the system works now you're let's go beyond MK Mark as if this is how the system works now.

What happens when the next person with the skill of mark as maybe even bigger I don't know what happens when that person says something that is just not true or they're just what happens if that person uses the platform to personally attack a company or to personally attack somebody released a product that's what really concerns me with but I believe because I was a con my life comfortably that.

That person won't have success that is even being gained or lost soft at that point like also you don't get to mark as a size by being a person like that like what's the long game there right you for 10 years or whatever you work on the internet being honest building a huge audience and then one day you decide I'm going to a new company from orbit like I just don't know if that something super.

Don't forget like this is what we're dealing with here and but like it just hasn't worked because it's stupid people love to cancel people so like what I'm saying is in this situation where this this creator you're talking about decides that they're going to go on a vendetta they will be cancelled over that yeah like because that's what people are trying to do to mark as right people want that like that's what the cloud chasing is this person who posts these or the people that post these messages because it's not just this one guy but so.

It's just one guy but it's just one guy got popular right they are hoping that the internet's going to go yeah you're right that guy but it didn't happen and like because that's what I genuinely would happen like if some now look there is obviously a scenario where someone has been always lying right but then they are probably not going to get to mark as is level are they're going to have a very specific audience that they're just going to have anyway and it's full of people that already believe that.

The nonsense that that person's talking about right like the turn seems unlikely to me yeah yeah so maybe like you're right I should be more optimistic about this it's just I think it's just you know thinking back of how I used to read reviews and and I said that we are part of the problem because we we also create content including reviews of stuff on the internet yeah not at mark as is just a good thing.

Mark as scale but still we do it but I remember like when I was younger like it was different you know and instead today product recommendations are just so easily accessible that to you know to see a company with the stock price going under after a video even though the video is totally justified and correct it is still quite the site you know still wow like times have really changed.

Because like that was not possible until a decade ago and now it is and so if you're a company I guess now more than ever I think I guess my takeaway here would be don't release I'm finished crap because it the end may happen very quickly for you like you know this is like and sometimes maybe you think that what you're releasing is good enough.

That's the problem maybe maybe whether because you're the delusional or maybe you generally believe that your product is great and maybe you release it thinking this is so great and then you realize I know the reviews are the reviews are tankin my product and there is also scenario wait like and it does happen wave all experience this you don't know what's wrong like people use the thing differently and what you expected because you made it with your mind and then

like that can happen to I don't think that's what happened in the case of the AI pin because there are just things that don't work about it but there are other types of like for example in the video that maca's made talking about this review he references a razor phone.

And that the razor phone he like said I had like a very bad vibration motor in it and then in the second version they fixed that and they said to him hey look we fixed this that could be just a scenario that a vibration motor is a low priority for razor you know it's just that you can't necessarily understand exactly how people are going to approach and deal with the thing that you've made like I think a thing that you're bumping up against and talking about this

thing that I'm also seeing people talk about which is like individuals have too much power what we really need is impact for newspapers and media organizations like I just going to say I don't know what that is honestly like what like a media organization can't also have a point of view that could be biased in one way or another like everybody has biases there's an example in this case.

So in the fall time magazine awarded the humane I pen the best invention of 2023 time co chair and owners Mark and Lynn been off or bind off investors in humane. Yeah so you're using your magazine to prop up one of your investments and not saying individual creators can't do that too but just because you are I mean it's time magazine like just because you're a big you know no name doesn't mean you also can't do bad things.

Yeah that is true that is true and the last thing I want to say is that maybe I think a lot of companies make the mistakes that they want to try and be the next apple not just in terms of aesthetic but in terms of secretive vibe and I don't think it's serving them well. I think if you mean instead of trying to be all fancy an apple like with the seat with the secret product and nobody had seen before.

If they had been a little more open and less kg and less like we want to be the next Johnny Ive in a secret room sort of a blessing you with this product from the sky. I think it would have served them better to be more open and understand maybe some of the feedback upfront so there's a reason why apple can be apple and there's a reason why apple can be secretive that those reasons they don't necessarily apply to other startups.

I would also just like to give an immemorial segment for the word honest. This is my honest review. Your money was exchanged. You guys know me. You all know me. I get upset with the way that people use words and phrases. Yes. Honest is one of them. If you say this is my honest review, what you're saying is every time you don't say that you're lying. Stop it. Stop it. No, why do you why does everyone have to say guys this is my honest review about this product like why do you need to do that?

Just say it. Just say it. And if it's if you've been paid, then say you've been paid that like there is this inherent thought online now that if you say anything positive without saying this is my honest review, you've been paid for it. No one ever gets paid by any of these like much companies to publish reviews anyway. It drives me mad. You disagree with me, Stephen? This is my honest review.

I don't disagree with you, but I think one reason it does get said is that you can't guarantee everyone who watches your video knows you. And if someone is just searching humane AI pen and they come across a review from Arches Brown Lee, he's got a bajillion subscribers, right? But not everyone who watches subscribe or knows him or pays attention. I think you're kind of saying it as a cover, you know, cover your rear in case people don't know who you are.

Yeah, but if you don't know someone and they tell you they're being honest, but you don't know them, why would you trust them anyway? If you're so mistrusting that you will believe that people are lying to you because you clicked on a video, why would them saying, oh, I'm being honest, why would you believe I think you're working or something that doesn't really I am.

No, I am. So I think I think I think I think I run in this court said something that I that absolutely tracks with me. Aaron says that this happens a lot like it's a very common sentiment like in the in gaming in the gaming community and in gaming reviews.

This is something that I agree. This is something that I run into all the time for like whenever I'm watching reviews for graphics cards or video game handles and controllers or whatever they use that expression all the time and I think I mean, I gotta say the word.

I think it goes back to the stupid gamer gate stuff for like people like you people are using creators to be dishonest and unethical with their beta game or console reviews. So I think there's a I think there's an element of that like people trying to sort of safeguard themselves from being quote unquote canceled by gamers over those kind of accusations.

But yeah, I also think it has lost all meaning at this point, especially like when you see those reviews those titles on YouTube with like, I don't know, let's say what's ahead Nintendo switch all ed Colin my honest review and it's like title uppercase all caps like this that is so silly because honest is now starting to mean bad.

Like this is where it's trending towards and like maybe this upsets me and Federico more obviously me the most for this reason, even it's this is so prevalent in gaming content. Yeah, yeah, everything is is my answer is why and it is starting to me like my honest review is a bad review. It's really weird. It's it's we're losing we're losing sense of the word honest now, which is a fact. But that one it was all of the types of things that know me this one upsets me because it's the word honest.

We're losing sight of what that means it's God internet man, but in essence, MKB HD rules, we love him. I will stand him forever and people that think that he has all those biases. Jesus. I know. One of my very favorite things is your honest review of MKB HD is the fact that he said everyone has biases.

I was so happy someone finally said it on YouTube and he said it and it allowed all YouTube creators to take a big sigh and like point at that video forever when people said you're biased. It's like, yeah, we all. He's great and people are just trying to cancel him, but he can't be canceled because he's too cool.

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It wasn't a look to be fair to us at the time that we set this the rules were changing weekly. Yes, yeah, they basically have stopped changing since we made these picks. Yes, because it's come into effect. I think that's it's too late to like or or or not necessary to light but like it's in effect now. So whatever it is is what it is and there will be a time period in which things will change again, but it's not it's not right now.

Yeah, yeah. So can we just jump ahead and say there we got all wrong? Yeah, let's recap our picks though. Like what we said could change of in a month. We had two rounds of picks. Federica, what was yours first round? I said the core technology fee is considerably altered, especially for web distribution. No, no. Mine was that the member of good standing language would be removed from the review guidelines. You still got to be a member of good standing. You still still got to do it.

I picked developers aren't required to use Apple scary screens for alternate payments. You still have to move on to round two. That was an easy one. Round two. I said, oh boy, Phil Schiller is replaced as the head of the initiative. The biggest the biggest swing here, I think. Yeah, he's still making news. He's still doing stuff. Yeah, I think I read a headline today that said Phil Schiller says he doesn't know if the app store is profitable.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I saw that. Okay. I just want any things. I'm like, well, I have some questions from Phil Schiller. Is it any of the head of this? Why doesn't nobody know? There's no one ever bothered to check. Look, this is the company that made numbers. You know, they're using numbers instead of Excel. Who knows? Who knows what's happening? Let me tell you something. I work with a guy who can do some horrific things in numbers.

Oh, and it can do stuff. It just everything's very, very slow. Sometimes I open this number sheet that gray made. And I'm not kidding. I have to wait like 35 seconds for it to do its calculations. It's all the it's all the maths happening in the document. You know, too much math. Yeah. Lots of maths. Lots of lots of them. Can I open a potentially spicy sidebar? Oh, please. Oh, spicy one. So in this nine to five article about Phil Schiller, maybe not knowing if it's profitable.

So this comes from a cross examination where he says, I believe it is profitable. I am simply saying profit as a specific phantometric is not a report I get and spend time on. It's not how we measure our performance as a team. Sure. Sure. Feel. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Also in this is a comment that Apple people don't take notes in meetings. And this was when a random threats is this guy on threads he worked at Apple for like four years and thinks he's like.

We can't open this can of gloves today. We can't. We count through that. That guy is a charlatan and the worst. But what a stupid rule. Right. Right stuff down. No. We all stop taking notes and learn to just listen and be part of the conversation. And remember what we're supposed to do. And that became how we worked. Yeah. Look, now let me tell you what I said. So my boy Darius on threads. I guess was right about that.

The rest of his stuff. No. No. No. What they're saying is they don't have meeting minutes because then they can't be put in court. That's what this is. It's like a minute. It's exist. But if they believe that they wouldn't send emails around saying if we put I message with an Android people will leave the iPhone. Like you can't do that anymore. They don't do that anymore. I hope not. Right. Although look, maybe it says they're going back to 1997. So maybe look, maybe I'm being too cynical.

But yeah, okay. I think that's mad. Right. That's madness. Right. To not take notes in a meeting. How does any I have meetings all the time where I leave them. And I'm like, I don't remember anything. You may get a product to solve that problem. So how could you be honest about it? That's true. My honest review of meetings is that there should be notes taken. Do you have this site? I had it made my account in a couple of days ago. And I don't remember anything.

I left and was like, I don't remember anything. The great thing was someone. Well, yeah, but even then, like you write down and you're like, oh, this is too, there's some things are too high in the sky for me. You know what I mean? Like talking to accounts, like I don't understand what's happening. But the good thing was there was somebody that was on zoom for that meeting. So the meeting was recorded. So I could watch it back and remind myself what was said, which I think that's very cool.

And this could have been solved if you had some sort of pen on chest that was just listening all the time. Or a pendant. Have you seen the pendant? Oh, yeah, we can't. I think the pendant's awesome for what? I think it's a great idea. If I'm having a meeting with you and something can just transcribe the meeting and give me summary at the end. I think that's a great idea. I just want that. But like for just for every day life, like for things my girlfriend tells me to do.

I think I think can do that. You can press and say like remind me of doing this and then you're good. Really? Yeah. I like that. That pendant's $99 as well. Like this is more, this is called by company called Limitless. Which used to be called rewind. Yes. Wait. Limitless is also the name of Casey's company. No, Casey's company's name is Limitless. Yes. Yeah. It's also the name of a really, a really bad movie. I like that movie at the time. It probably isn't good now. I don't think it holds up.

No. It's it's Bradley Cooper taking ecstasy to become a superhero, right? You wanted to unlock the other 90% of his brain. Jesus. And you saw Limitless does. We were 70% of your brain. We were scoring. What? What? Oh, yeah. Shilla doesn't take notes. Yeah, I don't know about this. To be honest, this note taking thing. I'm not sure if I fully believe it. Okay. If you go to relay.fm slash connected, there's a feedback form. You can make it anonymous.

Tell us if people take notes at Apple now, or if there's just a thing from the 90s that that Phil Schiller and Michael Darius still text about. Yeah. Please. What? You can be anonymous. You can mention him. Yeah, you've got to stop. You know, you've got to stop doing that. This is I don't want to bring this vendetta to this podcast. Where were we? I'm going to invite him on. Come on. No, no, stop it. Mike, you're roundtupic. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we haven't done it.

Quality technology fee removed for fully free applications. Yeah. No. No, Federico just paid his part just earlier today. I literally just did. I played my part like he's the loops to the old store. Yeah. There you go. Changes to rules about apps being installed from an alternate source. First of all, I can't believe y'all let me make this a pick. It's so broad. It's like any change. This exact. Text. It's the thing because of this I went back and listened this morning to the previous pick.

What we were talking about was the idea that if you downloaded it, say you downloaded the Facebook app from the app store and then you went to Old Store and wanted to download the Facebook app from the old store, that you have to delete one to install the other and they don't go over reach.

we were talking about, I agreed that this was like a weird thing, but it is that I, that's what we were talking about, what you were talking about is that idea of like, if you install an app from an alternate source, you have to like treat it as if it's a brand new application, nothing to be shared between the two, that's what you think was. Anyways, the exact text is still on Apple's website, so no change. Because literally nothing has changed since we did these picks.

There have been no more amendments. No. So I would like to make a suggestion. Okay. We whole cloth kick this down the road by six months. So we just take these October, we tried this again. We take these picks completely as they are. Okay. And say, six months in the future, where are we? Yeah, you're probably right. All right, I'm making a task, rescore UE's. Just making a task, making a task, I'm going to make it do for saving it twice if it's in things because he can't repeat the reminder.

Wow. Stephen, I can't do it. I'm actually out in jail that one week. I said it for the third week of October. Third week of October. We'll revisit. Stephen is remembering the milk. Oh, man. Well, he sees you when you're asleep. Yes, France with Michael Derrius. He doesn't take any notes. Yeah, I'm too powerful for notes. Can't be saying. I take notes on everything. Maybe I'm just old and forget things. No, you're an effective person.

Yeah, I run two companies, you know, I make a widget over here. I'm not talking your pocket. You take notes because people that want to get things done, they take notes. No matter how you take them, you just got to take them because look, that's too many meetings you have to have otherwise. But also, full share of all these doing his meetings, right? Like, that's all he's doing. He isn't just like, is he getting all that in the weeds?

He just says some stuff and everybody else has to go and do it. That's right. Everybody leaves a room after talking to Phil Schiller and immediately starts putting things in their font, right? They like leave the door and like, oh my God, they try and remember everything that they was speaking about and take the notes of that. This Phil won't allow them to take notes when they're in the room with him. Yeah. All right, let us know, Apple employees, how this works in real life.

I think that does it for this week's episode of Connected What a Ride. I mean, what a ride. If you want to find links and stuff, we spoke about, head on over to the website, relay.fm. So that's connected. So that's four, 98. Those show notes are also in your podcast player of choice. A couple of things I want to draw your attention to. We mentioned the feedback form. It's the best way to get in touch with us. You can make it anonymous. Send us a note. Tell us you love us.

Tell us what we get wrong. We love to hear from you. Tell us how you take notes in our meetings in Apple. Tell us how you take your notes. That's what I want to know. So bad. Yeah. Send, actually send us your meeting notes. That's what you're meeting notes. So we can believe you. Yeah. Or if you don't take notes, tell us everything that was in the last meeting and we'll check it in the future. See if you were right. Yeah, but also we are not we're not soliciting information from a corporation.

We're not violating. Why not have to do that? We're violating journalistic. Oh, I don't have any journalistic ethics. No, okay, cool. Yeah. It's about my name. It's a name. I actually don't have any ethics. So there you go. Wow. Life is easier that way. Wow. It's the way you do it. Ethics, schmetics. If you want to become a member and support our crooked ways, you get credit. I know you caught. You took a didn't you take a note like you put your hand on the Chicago style guide.

Raise your other hand to the sky. AP style guide, Chicago style guide. Get out of my face. Federico, you're the Chicago because of John and Steven is the Memphis style guy. AP style guy. The Memphis. Although I have been writing with the Oxford Commissum. It's weird. Why have you been doing that? Oh, because of us. Because it's still. It's still a lightweight. I love that someone can finally make you use it because I failed that I could not.

There was a time Federico where Steven removed the Oxford Commissum from one of my descriptions and I was very upset. Oh, that's that. That is very upset. Now I just sound like fix typos. Yeah, that's fine. Typos, that's all good. Everyone needs a good typo fix every now and then. I'm just so happy that like the rule of widget has come down upon you and now you need to ask for comma.

As we talked about, he gave me the task to come up with a style guide for the company and wherever in a lot of debates about what that means, mostly just me and myself. He doesn't care. Yeah, you're looking in the mirror and you're like, yeah, can you do this? Yeah. You know, in Momento, he has the stuff written all over him. That's, it's like that. Widgets are capitalized. People who think they should stop listening to this show when we start the wrap up, they are fools.

Yeah. You know, think of the things you miss. People, people, skip chapters. What's wrong with them? What's the deal with people who skip chapters? I don't know. If you, here's what I don't like while we're on this. What I don't like that there are a couple of apps that let you preselect chapters to skip. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I like that. That is almost like a crime. Maybe this is a crime.

Maybe I start getting around that by like changing the closing chapter name a little bit each time. Yes. So this time, I'm going to spell the closing. Every chapter. I'm going to call this one closing, but with a zero instead of an O. No, no, no, no, just, you know, you should, you know, you should use the invisible, unicode character. Just put it at the end. That might actually break the podcast players. Well, fun. It won't bite a find out.

Is that a, is that is that sort of thing ever stop you before? Actually, it hasn't. We've there have been many times that we've done the thing, especially in this show where we're like, this might break some stuff. I guess is anyway, we find out what if the title was 17 numbers in a row? Would that be a problem? Let it break the website. Yeah. We had to fix that. Well, but it didn't like completely break it. We just had to change some thing way the things that wrapped, you know? Yeah. Yo, dog.

Yeah, I think it's, I think that's, it makes me sad. I think this, it's made me think I didn't want to do chapters for podcasts when I first started doing them. And it was for these kinds of reasons, which is just like, the show is the show. It's the beginning to the end and it makes me a little sad to skip. But over time, I have become a person that like, if I'm not interested in this topic, I will skip, right?

But the idea of like not even giving it a shot to begin with, like before you even press play, you're like, just don't even give me this part of the show. Makes me sad. Makes me sad. I see now I have a dilemma about where to go. We were talking about membership. No, we just membership. You get connected pro, which is a longer ad-free, more ethical version of the podcast. And you get access to the relay members discord. We're all we do is share links to ROMs, to games, to download.

Yeah. And newsletter and some members only podcast. They're all pretty good. Go check it out. Seven bucks a month. Is the best seven bucks a month you'll spend? That's what I'm going to say. If you want to find more of us online, we're around. You can find all of us on threads and mass it on. Let's start with Mike. Mike is the coast of a bunch of other shows here. He's on a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM. He's on threads as I mic. He is on mass it on his I mic at mic dot social.

And he's also making notebooks. You can't use them in Apple, but you can use them other places to allow you to take notes and meetings. Look forward to your honest review. It's a pretty good notebook. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I mean, it's not waterproof. I discovered, but it's pretty good. I tell you about that. No proof notebooks. You didn't. What proof notebooks exist but they're terrible. I dropped what? My subtle notebook in a puddle of water when it was raining. And now it's all crinkly.

Yeah, honest, honest review cannot withstand, right? Sorry. Honest review of Stephen's hands. Not that useful. Not grippy. Not grippy. Not grippy. Not grippy. You can find Federico at Macstories.net. Honest review of Macstories.net. It's pretty good. Oh, thank you. I'm pretty good. It's pretty good. Yeah. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I mean, you know, it's by Federico and friends. I feel like you're kind of, you know, downplaying John's contributions at that time.

No, we're not doing this again. No, we're not doing this again. Let's give an honest review of Federico's friends. Some of them are bullies. And that's true. It's true. Right now. Yeah, that's true. I really, honestly, Federico, I really did enjoy the all recent roundup of HomeKit hardware. Oh, thank you. I have a lot of things bookmarked for future research. Yeah. So, thank you. Well, I must ask the reviews of these products, were they honest? They paid for by Big HomeKit.

They were dishonest reviews. Perfect. That's my favorite. That's the new spin on it. Like, because everything is a honest review these days, you can find honest reviews everywhere. Like, what about these honest reviews? I love it. That sounds intriguing, right? So that's what we're going to do. This honest reviews. What about the hottest reviews? Oh, no, no. Dishautist. Oh, what? Oh, please wrap it up, Stephen. I beg you, please.

You can find my unbiased, excellent blog website at 5philipixels.net. The best threads account you could follow is I-SIMH86. The most impactful Macedon account is I-SIMH at eWorld.social. And every Sunday, which is the Lord's Day, we released the best podcast on Relay at the Mac Power. Are those two related, Stephen? It's hard to say. OK. It's hard to say. I'd like to thank our sponsors this week for making the show possible. Jam, Squarespace, Net, Suite, and ZockDock.

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