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But first o Joe Stephen Curry, Oh yeah, was cooking tonight. Six point.

He had fifty six twelve may threes, sixteen or twenty five twelve or twelve from the free throw line. He outscored Orlando by himself in the third quarter twenty two, twenty one. It's his fourteenth fifty point game of his career. Steph Curry has nine nine game nine what nine may threes?

In NBA.

He has forty five games O Joe in which he's made at least nine threes on the game. The next closest is Dame Lillard at fourteen, and then Klay Thompson at twelve. And if I'm not mistaken, if I read this correctly, I think if you take up the next five, Steph has more or he's tied with the next five. So if you Dame Lillard, if you put in Klay Thompson, I think j R. Smith is in that group. But it's about five of the guys that have made at

More than all those guys.

He was on one tonight, and you know we've seen this throughout his career. Once he gets cooking, you just hope you can weather the storm. And you got guys Paulo Bank Carroll was cooking allso, but not till he wasn't on Fuego like Steph was.

I don't know if you saw this game, did you take a look at this game?

No, I didn't have a chance to look at this game. Obviously, I was sleep, you know, when this game is going on, I'm just waking up from my Napshore I can have the energy I needed tonight. But when you look at when I look at the stat line, I look at how efficient Steph was, you know, from three and his numbers at the free throw line, it just comes back to like, I mean, is this something we're not used to?

So I mean, yeah, it's Steph and.

Death has forty five, Dame has fourteen, Klay Thompson has twelve, James Harden has nine, Anthony Simons has five. C. J. McCullough has three. So if you take the well JR. Smith has five. So if you take those next, if you take Dame Clay, James Harden, Anthonty Simons and Jr.

They have the same number. If you throw in Anthony CJ.

McCullum, now you got six guys and they have three more nine May threes in the game.

Than Steph Curry. Man, that's crazy. He is.

He is the greatest shooter that we've ever seen. All the way he can shoot. There isn't a bad shot. You know, once upon a time, man, that's a terrible shot. There is no terrible shot for Steph Curry, not for him. I mean, And what's most impressive. Yeah, shooting the basketball is impressive, But it's oh joe, it's the continuation of running.

Contentially, he's one side.

He'll hey long rebound, he'll reset, goes back up with it again. For him to be able to do this throughout the entirety of the game, it's unbelievable.

I'm glad I've got an opportunity.

I'm glad I'm old enough and I'm wise enough to understand what I'm witnessing, because there's been some great shooters, but there've been nothing like this young man.

This. He is phenomenal at shooting the basketball.

And every act, every accolade or superlative that you want to be store would pun him. He's more than deserving of that model citizen, doesn't get in any trouble. You don't have to worry about him hearing his name off the field. Why for lovely kids. And he's what you want your franchise And you say, okay, he's a franchise player. That's what you want your franchise player to look like. That's what you want your franchise player to be. Uh. He's been a great ambassador for the NBA. He's been

We go in next.

I don't know if they play in Miami or they head down to Atlanta, because they're probably on the East coach trip Ochoke. Hey, whatever you ate before the game, whatever you did before this, same routine? Yeah, yeah, same routine. I don't know if he's superstitious about O Joe, but if I'm here to have a game like this, think about O Joe. I'm sure when you had that those big games, what a couple of two of yard games?

You know, yeah, what did what did I do today? And you know, and you know, it's funny.

More of the time you have those big games like that, you get to Drakes, you get your drug tests to follow morning because the NFL thinks something wrong with you, and you go back and try to remember exactly what you did right unk you can't even remember because sometimes at times it don't be nothing special. It's just one of those days where everything just seems to go right right.

Well, I don't know why Steph Curry get drug tests because if he taking drugs, they back for it.

Day ain't working. So whatever whatever he takeing, he needed to take more of it. Leave it alone.

But you, like I said, there've been some great shooters. Lad Bird was a great shooter. Reggie Miller was a great shooter. Obviously, Clay Dame Dollar arguably the Ray Allen James Harden could let the ball go. Yeah, we've never seen anything like Steph Curry. I'm not so sure we're gonna see it again now Thereby eventually somebody down the line might make more threes. But I think I think we can definitively say even if they make more threes,

Basketball, yeah, nothing better than him.

We got an opportunity to see on for this play at the Olympics.

Hold you that last game again, friends in crunch time when we actually yeah.

They had him double Hey, Hey passed to the KD KD swung it back to him.

Hey, and my good friend Mark Jackson say, can I have this dance?

Yeah?

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Have you won it?

He can cover here listen, like like you said, not only is it the best shooter, he can create his own space. Oh yeah, yeah, hey, listen, he coming off picks, running plays, creating his own space.

All he need, all he need, all he needs a little bit now because so quick. Yeah, his release is so quick. It's that man.

Because the thing is not what he's done before, what he didn't do earlier in his career. He'll put the ball on the floor and go buy you. Oh yeah, so if you hugged up on him, he got the kind of handles that can put the ball on the floor, and he got a nice float game he can finish. Now he's gonna go finish above the rim like a Russ or like a d Rose could.

But he can finish nice float gaming. You know you fil him.

He's the greatest free throw shooter and percentage wise in NBA history. So he's really hard to defend because you want to get aggressive and not let him come. He's looking to get separation and all he needs an inch. He gets that separation and the next thing you know, he's launching one. And so yeah, he but it was unbelievable to watch him getting that zoned and to see guys getting the zone.

Guys they usually getting a zone like this from distance.

We've seen guys get hot ohho, and they'll lay the ball up and they got the men range game.

But he's shooting from distance. Yeah, I mean twenty five, twenty eight. Helldi the logo, he.

Got that kind of he got that kind of range. He has that kind of handles. Uh, He's unbelievable to watch. And uh, I don't know, I might have to reassess what I think about the Golden State Warrior because I didn't think they was gonna do nothing.

They still got an uphill climb.

Yeah, they were they were what they were I think tenth when Steven and I had this conversation on Tuesday, and so they got some digging because they're still in the playing currently.

I don't.

I'm not sure how much around that can make up to get out of that that that playing. I think you got to get to at least the sixth seed to get out of the playing.

We'll see.

Uh. But Steph Curry carried him to night. Jimmy, nobody did anything other than him. But when you got a guy like that, all you doing is sitting picks and get them basketball. He ain't try to interfere with that. I ain't trying to get no shots.

So if he if he's hot, let him cook.

Hell yeah, let's no good. Let him burn it down. Burn hey, burn this mofo down. But he was, he was on one tonight. And like I said, when he gets going like that, it's just like, oh, Joe, you see it, like a guy catches a bunch of passes once he gets it going.

Chase you see chasing Jaela, and you see these guys get going.

You at the mercy you had once some once a lineman get going. You let a Miles Garrett, or you let a U. T. J. Watt and didn't get a couple of sacks early, you got your hands for the rest of the game. You better double, you better chippy now you be No, that's a that's all pro. Over

Dame Clay.

We saw Clay the other night get it cooking and uh he was, Uh he was something special going on joining us. Three time Pro bowler, two time All Pro Defensive Player of the Year. He's one of six now, he's one of seven DB's to have won that award. Mail Blood win it first, Lester Hayes, Rod Woodson, Deon Sanders, Charles Woodson, Stephan Gilmore and now representing Bronco Country past Sir Tad the second PS two.

What to do, Yo, it's good.

What's happening, bro, Bro, I'm proud man. You represent Bromp Country extremely well. Man. You're the first Defensive Player of the Year since Randy Gratishod I think seventy seven or seventy eight, So it's been damn the fifty years since we've had a defensive Player of the Year.

But I can't think of.

Someone that's more worthy with the work that you put in, the way you prepare you know, hey, I get I get, I get intel, the way, the professionalism that what you display, how you go about your business, how you try to get better and better every day, the attention to details that you put in. Man, I want to take my head off and say congratulations and I'm proud of your Bronco bro.

Yeah, appreciate listen.

Yeah you know, but Pete, you know, I've been watching you since high school boy man, obviously having you know, having the battle which was your pops man we was in the league, and that now watching you dominate at the position and being the number one defensive back in the league.

I want to know my first and what's your mindset?

Man?

When you line up against some of the best receivers in the league with a great understanding, as technically sound as you are and as savvy as you are, how what it is you to be able to keep your composure in most situations with DB's panic, which makes you probably the best in the league on that on that trade alone, outside the ball skills and other stuff.

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Nah, this waterfire tripping man Pete.

Where you at Buffa, you're at the crib? Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what's wrong with the watch file.

No, But what else was asking you is that, what's your mindset when you go into a game and you know you're gonna have to take You're gonna have to travel.

You got a lot of frequent flyers files because you go left right.

Sometimes you jump in the slot, but mainly you're outside, but you're taking the opposing team's best receiver. What is your mindset? How do you get locked in on a given Sunday? Yeah, I think it all starts with preparation. Uh, knowing your opponent, Uh, knowing who you're going up against.

You know, because the NFL, each and every week, you know you're going up against a top top line receiver each and every week, So you know you gotta have that mindset going in like you're gonna win every rep at the end of the day. So now every time I go and play every Sunday, I look at it as a blessing because you know, I get to go up against the best you know and perform at a hot So.

Hey, growing up, listen, did you always know you wanted Did you always know you wanted to fall in your father's footsteps as a cornerback or was there another position you wanted to play or was it always defensive back?

Nah?

I wasn't always dB.

Uh.

You know, I've always wanted to be a running back growing up for real. Yeah, I mean you know, you know I played that p poal when you was a po Yeah.

Yeah, Hey, y'all be cheating out there, man, Yeah I was.

I was showing up that running back. Man, I always want to be.

But then, like you know, I played offense, you know, and then when I went to dB, it's sort of translated naturally, and I.

Sort of got the feel for, you know, the instincts.

As you know, I had the press game already, so I'm just gonna carry it over to dB, and uh.

You know, the game went off from there.

So yeah, when people describe you, the one thing they say, technically sound always on balance to a team. Doesn't he doesn't get lazy, and he doesn't get lazy with his footwork, he doesn't get lazy with his hand placement. He doesn't get lazy with his head head, what are you thinking? Like when you go up there and you're like, okay, I got x Y, I got whoever the receiver is. When you locked in, he was like, I got this guy, What are you thinking?

Ps?

Shoot?

The first thing I'm thinking of being sound? Uh uh, you know, like you said, technically sound like it. Start with my eyes, you know, making sure my eyes at the right spot, you know, not guessing, you know, you know, being sound with that, you know, and put in making sure my my feet national receiver's feet. At the end of the day, you know, the receivers, you know, shad y'all get in and out of break down. You know,

So you know that's the main thing.

Right, Let me get I got a good one.

Are you a pattern read guy or you a down in distance guy, because me, I'm looking at guys how guys played me. I'm looking at down in distance, how they play. I'm looking at when we're in a certain formation, how they play. So are you a pattern read guy or you're a down in distance guy? I think that's a good question. I think it ties in both ways. Like when you when you realize down.

The distance right, like you realize what patterns about to come. Like know, like if it's third and short, you know you you fall about one backside. You expect, you know you need to read, you know what I mean. So like when you when you tie in those little things, you know you understand the game. Like I read like two by two says and be like, okay, two out to the flat.

No one n breaker, you know what I mean.

It's just like rock concepts have different levels to it, you know when you're dB and you look at the first hand, but you know it comes with experience, you know what I mean. I want to say necessarily say, when I was a rookie, I knew that, you know, So the more and more time I hand in the league and understanding offenses and how they process it slowed the game down for me.

For sure.

So I think when you go on Eastern every week and you know you got the right film preparation, I think all that ties in together.

Yeah, Hey, this is this is.

What I wanted to ask you too, because I had a lot of freedom to be able to do what I want to do as long as I stayed within the time of the offense. And I'm curious on the defensive side of the ball, being that you're so good, how much freedom do you have and rain to be able to do what you want to do within the defensive scheme based on the based on the receiver that

Yeah, I mean there's definitely some freedom, you know, It's it depends on the call. You know, we have different variations of calls. You know, allowed you to be free like man a man like you can switch it up your leverage and stuff here. Like when I'm when I'm playing in the defensive scheme, I'm.

Sort of like if I'm a zone, I'm trying to I'm more.

Solely focused on the quarterback sometimes, you know, got to receive, like trying to bake the quarterback or give the quarterback this look and think into something else at the same time. But yeah, you know, you get a lot of lead way out there, you know. But it's all about you know, playing confidence. You know, it's all starts with your confidence

I'm looking at you and like you play a DK Medcalf or Mike Evians. Those are more big body receivers that want to get physical. You play a smaller receiver that's quick. Now, I don't know if people know this. You rangey guy. I mean you got you got long arms and your long I mean you're six too. You're a legit six two and a half. I ain't no, no, well,

How different, How difficult is it for you to get in out?

Like Okay, this guy's more physical, Okay, I know I got to be I got to be able to be strown at my initial point versus a guy that got fast twist just looking to get up out of there to hurry.

Yeah, that's the thing, man.

Like you know, people people have this like notion on Tallo d B saying, you know they can't get any lot of breaks, you know what I mean. I mean obviously they know taal d B's may be physical, but that's the thing, Like as dB gotta have quick feet, you know what I mean. You gotta ask you gotta be sudden as well too. So when I go against bigger receivers, I'm like, okay, we match it up pretty well. Like that's my game being physical, but like them quicker,

Now.

Now it's not physicality, you know, it's all about the feet being aware of being sudden. But you know that just goes in, you know, towards the work in the offseason, like making sure my short area quickness up the par you know what I mean. All that ties in together because you know them receivers stop on a dime, then I gotta translate that getting out to break and finishing on the place. So I think every week has its own challenge because you know, sometimes I go against a

The end of the day.

So yeah, listen for me.

My toughest challenges, you know, doing during my tenure during my career obviously you know, playing within the division, having to deal with the Ike Taylors, the Lee Bodins, obviously Darrell Reavers being the best dB I've ever gone against. Doing my tenure in the league. Who would your top three receivers be that you feel are the most difficult

You know what, there's always somebody, Yeah, you know, there is.

It's crazy because the receivers, it seemed like every year like another receiver pops up, like like people had under the radars.

So it's like I'd be going through the through the lineage of receivers.

That I can see pop up like year in a year out because I looked at sistency as well too, So right right, you know, so like Ozzi Jamal he up there, he had a great year.

You know, I wouldn't say so.

You know it's a good match up between me and him, Uh, a good battle. Then we have like Davonte Adams, Yeah, we have good battles. Like I look at dudes that I battle against, you know what I mean? And you know we have all good matchups. And let me see, I say, Tyreek Hill, he's been like he was that dude for Shure, He's that dude.

So some good matchups.

Pat your dad senior all pro?

How much time did he spend with you once you decided you're gonna play dB? How much time did he spend with you? Did you guys watch film? Did he say okay look for death? Did he work with your certain things?

So?

What what's been some of the lessons that your dad, Having a dad playing in the NFL play at a high level.

What's some of the things that he's taught here.

Yeah, I think it's an honor, you know, being able to you know sort of you know, have that you know person you like that played at a high level, you know what I mean, you know, just learning from him, learning what he's seeing from the game. I'm just I just you know, I'm just a sponge, you know, I'm soaking in everything he taught me, you know, from day one, so you know, being able to translate that to the game now just honestly a blessing. But you know, I

I think it's honestly a privilege for sure.

Let me ask you this that Alabama coach Saban spent a lot of time with the DB's. He was very, very hands on coaching eyes, eyes, this, feet, this, this, and this tell me about about coach Saban and his approach to coaching DB's and some of the lessons that he talked to you, because it seemed like coach Labor was hard.

I told you to do him like that.

Yeah, yeah, that's that's him, man, Like he the thing is about saving Like obviously he's very hands on, but it's with a purpose, like it's with a result that comes with a day.

Like you know, the things he teach you, you know, you just can't hear it one year and out the other.

You got to really lock in and understand it, because he'll come back with you and challenge you with the same question each and every day. And then if you don't lock in, that's when you're like, man, I can't trust you, you know what I mean, I can't put you on that field, you know. So I think a lot of a lot of things he says was very you know, prevalent, you know to what he teaches. And uh, you know, it was a pleasure because.

You know, every once in a while you need it. You needed that, you know what I mean, You needed somebody to get on your ass. And here and there.

I mean, I think I think it was definitely a learning experience from me, but it was well worth it. You know, being coached by the greatest college football coach ever do it, you know at the end of the day, so you know, my time's they're spending with him. I learned a lot, you know, and just when I take some of the lessons that he taught me sort of translated to the league.

Now, so what are those practices? Like, you got Hendry Ruggs, you got Davonte Smith, you got Judy, you got I mean you you got Waddle. You got those guys. It's not like you're like, okay, man, let me go on over here. I'm gonna take Judie hold On. He was the Ballittanicupp Award winner.

Man. I got Davonte Smill. He caught the game winning.

Chuck y'all the National Championship game, and the true freshman he's the Hoveman Trophy winner.

He's the Ballit the Copp every award that he he did that. He was like, na, let me let me go on and jump on. Waddle. You got a guy that's running forward too, bull value.

You got a guy Rugs running four tow by you, I mean, what was practices like, because I know they had to be talking going on for show.

It was it was competitive. It was like through my college career, I wasn't even like the games. Was the games like the games were so easy because you know, you want to I was so much worried about Hama performing practice the game, you know what I mean, because they say you got Julie, he ain't got Waddle and he ain't got Smitty and Ruggs. It's like those who are right there, like you see in the game Live and action. You're like, man, any one of these.

Boys go for like two hundred three tough easy, you know if they went to then you got.

Two at quarterback, Mac Jones, Bryce Young, Jalen Hurts, and you back there like man.

Like yeah, these some dudes, the some dogs. Yeah.

There's a lot of.

Shit talking though, Like we.

Had competitive periods and like boom, like the defense will win and uh, officers get mad, get frustrated and save. You know, he a defensive coach, so you know we ain't practice on a good note. You know, good speech, good practice, but boy, the.

Offense come back the next day like.

Like we have a tough day through them competitive piers and saving you'd be like break it down the boom, weirdges, run gases.

Just because the defense they're bad.

Man.

You hate to see the defense lose.

But like for them practices man, like I can vividly remember, like us is like getting better like each and every day, like the hot.

Summer days, through them grueling days.

Like it was well worth it because in the game it was like piece of kate bo I know, I need to line up like you do a release boom. It's easy, like I'm on the hill, But in practice it's like I need to lock in in my age, you know what I mean. So, yeah, it was definitely memorable for sure. That's so you had some incredible plays, bro. You know, obviously I've watched the highlights numerous times.

Being that I am, I'm a huge, huge advocate for excellent dB play. You've had some incredible plays in your early career. Earlier in your early career, in the early stage of your career, what's been your favorite moment you know in the NFL so far outside of getting drafted. I know getting drafted is that you can't replicate or replace that moment, But outside of that, what's been your favorite moment so far.

Shoot, I think I.

Think it just happened winning that depoint man. Oh yeah, that's pretty that's a pretty surreal feeling. Yes, I just think, you know, that just ties in all the work I put in the off season, you know, and just setting my goals aside, you know, and put into fruition. I think that was my favorite moment so far. But I say, I say another thing is that's very underrated, is you know,

So now I'm very excited. You know, I'm enjoying this so far.

How does the young man stay hungry? You have such great accomplishments early in your career. You've been an off, you've been an All Pro, You've gone to the Pro Bowl. You just one Defensive Player of the Year in your third year. What paths are tann do to stay hungry? Because a lot of times when people are achieved accomplishment, you climb a mountain, you're like, yes, but they really great one find another summit to scale?

What does paps are Tan do for an encore? Man?

I just realized at this point, man, you know, you've done everything you know at some point, but there's always room to get better. Like sometimes I be like, like on this play, like damn, I could have did something different here, you like boom, Like what's that next step in order for me to get there?

You know what I mean?

Like I'm still a work in progress, you know what I mean. I still haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day. So I feel like there's more work to be done. And I feel like right now, you know what I mean, people get into that. You know, I'm getting to that point where you know, you know, people gonna bring their a game, you know, each and neighbor, you know what I mean, you know have their best game against me.

You know, have their best number against me. So I know, like you know what I mean. I still I'm still hungry. You know what I mean. I'm still working. I'm still the.

Same dude each and every week, but paying the right way fundamentally and you know, making sure I keep on shopping in my tool box.

So you know, this off season, I'll put the work in and get better at the end of the day.

So you gouts great. He speaking of speaking off season, you know I got inclease with me too.

Now line them up.

You know we can line them up. I'm being as are you are you ain't in Arizona.

Yeah, I'm being as.

Many Pat Man, you ain't see last year old you're tried to get off a dude. Man, dude shoved the mother in the sideline. He put both hands in his chests. Not well, he just stabbed left or right right?

Left? Joke? Yeah, breath he listens, is right here to it? He squeezed it. Man, Get out here and listen what you got down to. Pat? You Pat, you got to understand that I hadn't happened like that man in twelve years us. The man asked, you did that happen? Nah? It ain't happened this man line, Yes chance, man come again, come again in press place here that when the time.

We don't have a chance, that's what we do.

We're gonna get you here on this one. You guys made the playoffs. Your first couple of years didn't have a whole lot of success. This year you seem to have found a quarterback in Bold Knicks who was a rookie, played extremely well. What are the expectations moving forward next year and beyond?

Yeah, we got great expectations. I think this was just the start, you know what I mean of a long journey ahead. I mean, like you said, bowl, you know, we got a great young core, you know what I mean, And we also got some veterans as well too, So now I'm looking forward to it.

Man.

I feel like we ended the season on a good note, but not the note that we want too, because obviously we was, you know, going into that playoff run looking for more, but you know it comes with it. But now since we know how to get there, it's all about sustaining, you know, and finishing the right way and getting too that next step. So I think that's the main goal, man, is just you know, building the right pieces together.

You know what I mean.

I think with our team right now, I think we're gonna bring everybody, everybody back together as we stood. So I'm looking forward to it. I think we're gonna even be more home for you just because, uh you know, we we went to the playoffs and not only that, we got a lot more left in the tank.

So yeah, it's gonna be I'm excited.

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Me before he was a Bronco boy from the crib man. I ain't trying to all that he's fight from the.

Crib, Oh Joe, this is how dominant he was against Seattle with those three headed marcls, dk Metcalf, Jackson, Smith and Jigble and Locket.

He gave up thirty nine yards.

He gave up sixteen yards to the Steelers, eight yards to the Bucks, twenty two yards to the Jets, twenty four yards against the Raiders, not a single yard against the.

Chargers. He was out. The next week. He gave up five yards to the.

Panthers, fifteen to the Ravens, eighteen to the Chiefs, zero yards against the Falcons, thirty five yards against the Raiders, twenty five yards against the Browns they were on a bye week, four yards to the coach, twenty three yards against the Chargers, forty five yards against Higgins and Chase, and then twenty seven yards last game. So you know, you see games, oh jo. He gave up a little more than two hundred yards.

Yeah.

And the funny thing about it is people will look at that and really not understanding how great that is. We not talk about We're not talking about a cornerback that stays on one side of the field. We're talking about the draunterback that travels. You know, there have been very few that actually traveled prime the real reevers. I

You know, mano oho on you have to change according to what side of the field you're on.

Oh yeah, everything changes.

People don't understand that. Yeah, the same thing. Just like, hey, on an upfield stand you're on the left, you're on the right. As a receiver a A the ball is Hey, it's funny, man, you got a dominant eye. You gotta dominated eye. But he had an unbelievable season, Ojoe, he had an unbelievable season. Travis Kelsey plans to play next season. Kelsey texts Pat McAfee, I'm coming back for sure, Gonna try to get back to the best shape I've ever

I told y'all, I said it wouldn't happened. He was coming back simply for the fact the way it ended. No one has any in their career like that, you know, especially a great one like Traft, who's considered who most considering, including yourself, you know, the greatest tight.

End of all time. Yeah.

If I'm to finish it, I want to finish it the right way. I'm not finishing it with that taste in my mouth.

That's not happening.

Yeah, for me, it's him And if it's hearing Gronk and that, you know people some people say Gronk. Some people are gonna say Kelsey. But if you look at the consistency and the longevity in which he's played with UH and with the exception of the last game, that's really the only game that you can say what Trave didn't have it, Trave didn't come to play.

He has the second he had the most catching in playoff history.

He has the second most yard, the second most touchdowns, and the consistency year in and year out, the thousand yards even leading this team in receptions.

Yeah for me, that's it for me. But hey, if you say if you say Gronk, you.

Got a very compelling argument as well o your earlier today, Travis Hunter spoke about playing both positions in the NFL.

Let's take a listen to what Trav had to say. They saying, everybody and nobody has ever done it for real the way I do it.

But I tell him I'm just different. I'm a different person.

I like it. I love the confidence. Hut.

Yeah, you know, you and I play.

We have experienced. You and I played at the highest level. We've done it at the highest level consistently, year in and year out. You know, despite the accolades, you know, the the resume, the Hall of Fame, the rings, the All pros, all that, and the one thing that you know you need when you play the game of football to be great is you need confidence. You need to be able to believe in yourself. Now, whether we.

Feel it's possible to do the fact that he believes he can do it, that alone can be enough. Will it be enough? Now? You understand how much playing playing.

One hundred snaps a game for seventeen games that ain't happening. Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't think he realized how many one hundred snaps is in the NFL. College and people don't realize, Oh, there's a difference between in college. I mean that receiver, the Stanford receiver that wut two hundred on him. I don't even know if that guy's in the league. And

Really really, oh.

Joe, I listen, author, And this is as crazy as me, as crazy as it may sound.

The one thing you need to have not only confidence, but the belief that you can do something that's never been done before. Hell, he might shock the world, he might shock you, he might shock me.

But if it's if there's one person, if there's one person that might be able to do it based on his conditioning, you know, his smudge, his his small experience and being playing both sides of the ball. I mean that might be a wake up call once you get to the NFL and realize, Okay, maybe maybe off a little more than I could choose.

We go see though, because the thing, the thing is, I think he me personally.

I think he's better at dB than receiver because I think he's a little rough around the edges at the receiver, and I think a lot of what he does is athleticism. Yeah, you know this, m if if boy, they hunt on that defensive side. They look for any weakness. Yeah, you tip any route, they on your ass. Mm hm, babe o Joe, Hey, if you lean the slightest, they ain't gonna say nothing.

You're like, hey, how do you know I was running this? You're tipping him off? Oh? They watching?

Hey, why you think the guys be making play? You're like, damn, that's great film study. Yeah, it is great film study. But also if the slightest, the slightest hint you about to come break slightest hit, you might to stop.

Man, they all on that.

Them guys feet so good. They be great and you get the best of the best. Yeah, every every week, because you know what, Joe him, you the number on you talk you the number one, you the first of all. You're you're gonna be a high draft pick. You know what receivers want to do to the high draft pick. Okay, you on the offense side of the football, what you think them DV is looking to do? Because they know if they lock you up and get a pick or they press you, they're gonna get a sports center. I'm

Yeah.

You don't make it to that level by accident. You don't, not at all, not at all.

I mean, you know, you know it's funny. And sometimes we look at we look at the product. You know, even though.

I'm you know, I ain't finished all about nobody because you look at the product that was out there Super Bowl Sunday. Yeah, make thing twice about what you just said. Sometimes, especially that old line, boy oh Joe.

Now, a lot of Mark drafts have him going to the Jags. Now, Brian Thomas Juniors. One, could he slide in be two three?

I like that, boy, I like that, And honestly he wouldn't that be two ones? Honestly if you think about it.

Now, Ones Brian Thomas Junr. The differently, Brian Thomas Jr. Said, I'm not so sure, Brian Thomas Jr. In the top ten receiver right now, talk about you next year. I ain't gonna wait till next year. Hold your top ten right now. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree with that, and I'm.

Saying I'm saying Haunter just from an athletic standpoint, on what he can do with the ball in his hands, I don't think he would be a one.

You said a one in the two. I'm thinking of them two ones. That's what I meant. Now, I'm gonna have to pay you. I'm gonna have I gotta see it at that lefl Okay, okay, okay, I got We've seen.

We've seen a lot of ones in college. Ain't gonna be no one. Ain't no one when they get to the NFL. And I mean it's kind of like what you see guys now, oh yo. A lot of teams say they shout away from taking college kids. Everybody looking to grab somebody out of the portal. Right, because that's why, ojo, I've seen him do it at the college level.

I don't have to speculate on what he can do.

I already seen him do it, right, And a lot of teams, Oh Jo, they're doing away with spring ball because they don't want nobody else to see them, yea taking a clip send them out.

Hey, what y'all, what y'all what y'all got for your boy?

So teams are doing not having spring practices o joke because they're so worried about other teams pillaging their players.

Yeah, hey, man, I got five hundred five for you.

All right, deuces we out man, Hey Joe, you arg state you did that thing of the heck up organ saying, oh yo, we got six hundred and fifty thousand for you, man, grab ball, rep ball. He ain't no more part of me, ain't no more body in assaultaane your mama.

Yeah right right away.

Since I fifty listen, that means that that tell you there, I wouldn't have had to do what I was doing back then, you know.

And you know man, and that's a whole nother story, right.

Uh yeah, it's uh, like I said, I'm anxious to see. Like I said that, I've said this from day one. I feel he's a better corner than a wide receiver because I think he's a little unpolished in that area and it's hard to get polished in one area when you're working on something else.

Because normally guys that get good at something, O, yo, what do they do? That's something?

Mm hmm. You good at something?

You know, hey, guy, Orthopedics, they're good at Doctor Neil Latron, doctor James Andrews. They're good at what they do. They're not trying to do neurosurgery. They're not trying to do anesthesiology. They're not trying to you know, kids that are a trauma surgeon, orthopedics. You get good at doing something. It's boring, but it's a lot of repetition. How do you get good at being a wide receiver and a great dB

That's that's my thing.

How did he put how did he put that kind of time in really to really get to really hone and focus the skill sets.

Okay, I'm gonna be taught this and I'm gonna be taught that.

Do I believe he had Dion not play dB and says I wanted to vote all my time to play a wide receiver. I believe time could have been made to the Hall of Fame as a wide receiver. He had that Caunta ability. Yeah, he had that accuntability. Like I said, people don't realize just how good he was. I mean people need to look a look at the brash ness, and they look at all the chains and the flashy stuff.

But you had to see it. You got to see this person. I ain't talking about no goddamn YouTube either.

God you got hurt me on the field. Yeah, I saw it in the absolute Prime. I saw It's a player of the Year Prime. I saw Prime, Cowboy Prime, Atlanta Prime.

I saw Prime.

Yes, yes, but not if we played him when he went defensive player of the Year when he had when he first went to the forty nine ers. Yeah, he saw him, Yes, different, Absolutely he was that. He absolutely was. So I'm root for Traft. I think he's one of the talk two or three players in all the draft. Now whether or not that equates to him going number one overall. You keep hearing about the kid out of I keep saying kid, but the young man out of

He did you see the season you just had? Did you see the season he just had with the stress factor that they say is in his foot?

Man, come on, man, they said, doctors have advised him. Dual Carter gifts foot surgery. According to the agent Drew Rosenhaus, Carter, a potential first overall draft pick in the NFL, has a stress reaction in his right foot and we're put and was facing the possibility of surgery after tests revealed the injury on Wednesday, but after undergoing further scans on his foot, Carter will work out Penn State Pro Day on March twenty eight. Rosenhaus says he now considers the

A bull boom mm hmm.

Remember he's having this conversation about the guy from the Hornet. He goes to other doctors.

But as good as that Dual Carter is, Guess what's gonna happen. He's still gonna be in that top three. Oh yeah, for sure, still gonna be in that top top four. You know, cause help Yoe, If you got a quarterback, I need to go. I need to have somebody gonna go get the quarterback. I need somebody to hunt his ass down.

So I need somebody to strup everything going on.

Yes, David's famous quote. Quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard, and it needs to happen.

It need to happen.

In the first couple of possessions. Hey, go back and look at the way the Raiders used to play back in the seventies and the eighties when it was really it was no holes barred. You can't play like that now, o Joe. But the quarterback must go down hard, right, because he's the head of the snake.

Whatever I say, kill the head, the hands down later everything.

He controls everything.

So you got the you got the And if the quarterback is the most important position, Joe, I got to have somebody.

To go tracking.

Now. I need that bounty hunter. Oh yeah, I did. Hey, what was what was that movie with Tommy Lee Jones? He was he was tracking people down the westless Nights. What was that movie, Tommy Lee, Yeah, Tummerley Jones, Marshall, Us Marshall, us Marshall, remember that. I ain't you gotta have a body hunter? Yeah, And that's what Miles Garrett, that's what t J. Watt, that's what that dual Carter, that's what of Michael Parsons. That's what a sweat. That's

I can't leave. I can't let you have a clean pocket. I need I need to create chaos in your life.

Yeah, young young boy, nice though young. Yeah, shoulder and he was giving him hell. He was giving not the damn hell with one shoulder. He had one move and they can barely stop that one move. I can imagine when he if he's healthy.

Now, oh lord, and he had he had a nice little package to to you know, to his game. He's gonna be nice.

You look at how he's built. He's really angular, So that lets me know he can transfer feed the power. He got a rip, he can overarmed, he can just straight up bull you. He can get around the edge, dip. That's what all the rush. You's got to be able to be in the corner, can you be? Hey, he not that big, he's a little underside.

Probably way two thirty five, I would assume, Joe, so you little underside he's he call like.

A von Miller.

Michael Parsons, Yes, yes, yes, Now I think Michael probably to fifty now, yeah, probably fifty, but.

Earlier but early. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Those guys the DT's the guys that be able to bend. I mean they can be parallel to the ground, turning that corner. The guys trying to punch and they under the punch.

That's special. He's special. Oh yeah, for sure. Reason is listen, it's a reason he was that he live in at Penn State.

Now oh yeah, well that that number was made famous by Michael Ward And uh, what's the other guy named LeVar?

LeVar Erison? Yeah, oh hey remember remember Lamark? Remember LeVar famous play where he jumped over.

The Yeah, the Superman play.

And because you know, Barr was two, Courtney Brown was one Courtney Brown with the Cleveland Washington Yeah.

So Brown mm hmm. Oh, Joe.

The Eagles are reportedly a real threat to go after Miles Garrett they expect Josh wat to move on. Josh Wedding is not the only one that's been moving on. I think it's Michael Michael Williams, Williams the other d tackle. He gonna be going to He'll be going to.

Hey, hey, listen, I saw I saw the reports today the Browns are willing to negotiate with Miles Garrett.

What my new team gonna negotiate you?

And he said no, he said no.

And I'm sure they're probably gonna stand firm unless they get an offer that they can't refuse. And I think that's what the Eagles would have to do in order to get Miles Garrett over there. Listen with with Howie, with Howie, and and and I don't put a passer. I don't put nothing pass him. Based on the way things have been going, you might you you miss a few pieces, but you add someone like Miles Garrett to that defense man.

You already got Jedd and card Lem Commander's commander is going to be in play too.

Man Miles Garrett is unwilling to negotiate a contract extension with the organization as this agent have apparently slammed the door shut on any discussions per.

Mary Kay Cabot.

Listen when Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Browns, Listen when Diana Rassini when she speaks about the Jets. Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys. I hope you listening. Yeah, I hope you're listening. When those young when those women speak about an issue about said teams, they're plugged in.

Yeah, I'm talking about plugged in like a hot comb. You know what I'm saying. O Joe, Oh yeah, definitely. Garrett remains firm. He no longer wants to be in Cleveland.

Look, twenty nine year old defensive Player of the Year, twenty nine year old guys that have four consecutive fourteen SAX seasons.

Those guys don't grow on trees.

And let me ask you this, do you think there's a guy in the draft that can give you that kind of production over the next five years?

Okay, so that doesn't matter where you are, I trade him now.

If I'm a defense of you know, if I need something to shore up my defense, Phillis say we good offensively, we can get better defensively. And if that means, you know, we trade a couple of first round draft picks you're probably gonna have to throw on a talent, a young player. Oho, you're probably gonna have to do that the command, You're probably gonna have.

To do that. But at that point in time, Look, I don't care now.

About them picks, because I believe, Ojo, we're gonna be picking thirtieth, thirty first to thirty second anyway, because we're gonna be in the Championship Game or.

The super Bowl. That's what I believe.

I know for certain, I'm not getting a Miles Garrett with the thirtieth and thirty first and the thirty second pick.

I could, I could, but the likelihood isn't that good.

Normally those guys you're Derreck Thomas and your Bruce Smith and so forth and so on like that, those guys. Every once in a while, you'll fire Johnny Randall, that was an undrafted free agent. Oh yeah, but that doesn't happen often, Right, You'll fire a diamond in the ruck. You'll find a Terrell Davis or Shannon Sharp or Tom Brady in the later rounds.

But listen, don't you stake your career on trying to find diamonds in the rough?

Oh no, that ain't you go barely up?

But look, if all depends on Cleveland, what's your asking price? We know this on it's gonna take two ones. Now you're gonna add. If it's this draft, you would have to pick swap. So you have to ay, you would have to give up your pick because they keeping there. You have to give up this first year pick and next year's first round pick, probably a second and a fourth right or second and a third and probably a player.

Mm hmmm.

Feeling like we ain't got no problem. Phelis say, look, we picking thirty second. Guess what we holy to be picking thirty second next year and y'all could have it, y'all would have them pick.

Yeah, most definitely, long as long as we're getting the results.

Long as we get Miles Garrett.

What Dame hurts the year six, you got Davante in year in year five, you got a j Ya man Bro.

I'm not worried about that. We're gonna be good.

Yeah, I'm not even I'm not even I'm not even concerned about those draft picks.

Knowing where we are, what we have, who we are, Thank them, thank them.

You can't you can't have Jayleen Carter you can't have uh uh Michael Queen, y'all, Michael, you can't have him.

Mitchell, Yeah, Kenya, Mitchell, you can't have him. Everything else, Oh Joe is in play, is on the table line.

Yeah, yeah for Miles Gott. Yeah, you just said, put Miles Garrett with Jayalen Carter.

And Jordan Davis, boy man, slap me and slap me and slap me and call me sitting.

And and you got a Nolan Smith Jr. Yeah a, y'all fello on the two thirty.

But he a he can go them what we're here?

Hey, I heard I saw him dropping offensive lineman at two thirty. He hitting three thirty guys, three thirty. I know they're talking about it felt like trees falling on the head. Oh Joe, I'm talking about he in the grill. I'm talking about Hey, he putting his helmet under their chin. I'm walking him at two thirty. So yeah, but Miles for an opportunity to get Miles Garrett. Guys like this o Cho don't become available at the age of twenty nine.

And a young talented player to get a guy like that.

Yeah, absolutely, water on, go ahead.

But Cleveland's gonna try everything chat to try to keep keep Miles Garrett. They think it's about money. Miles Garrett's like, bro, y'all just gave me a one twenty five. I'm straight on the money issue. The problem is here is not the money. It's the winning. I got money, I'm getting money, but I'm miserable. Week five, we out of playoff contentions, we got no hope, we got no quarterback, and I don't really want to waste another one a year or two to try to build this thing back up. He's

Yeah, and you you would, you would think for all he's done so far in Cleveland, he's done everything he can. They know, the team knows that, the organization knows this. In the rebuilding stage, why would you keep a player like that? Why would you keep a player like that knowing that he can do you no justice and competing for a championship. Allow him to go while you rebuild and do your think, get some assets and picks for him and start over.

I agree.

We say that now with your cause, we don't he if we, the GM and Cleveland w ain't trying to let him go either.

Oh yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.

Me and you man, you.

Said that that that's not that's not the biggest piece of the puzzle that we got there, we can train rd Hey, come on, mile, hey, bro, we're gonna make you the highest paid. We got thirty five million per year. We're willing to give you five years, one hundred and seventy five billion dollars because that's we.

Feel your worth and we're willing to get.

We're willing to fully guarantee a hundred.

Millions or that. Nah.

I think I'm gonna have for going mode on out the door because guess what, somebody else will give me that too.

And we got a chance to win, yep, which is much better because I haven't got enough money.

Well, you can't ever have enough money. Oh yeah, I know what you mean.

Isn't no such thing as enough. But I'm doing pretty well for myself. You'd like to be doing better.

I mean, if Elon Musky worked four hundred and fifty bill and he tried and still trying to get contracts for the government contract yeah, me and you, we ain't got no BILLI so we definitely, we definitely tried.

To make his meat. You're right right there.

But uh, yeah, myles, I understand once you get on the stomach so much about money, money, money, money, Okay, when I got money, and then here I am, I'm going out there what I put my body through to get ready to make sure I go?

What is that? That? Quite? Who is that? What are you looking at? Oh?

I'm looking at this uh this chat. We're trying to get uh, trying to get tanked well being. Are we going to go ask yet? Okay, it's easy to say, oh, Joe, money, money, money, But when you're competitive and you see everybody else getting an opportunity to play meaning for football, you see everybody else playing in AFC and NFC Championship game, they're playing in Super Bowl, and here I am, I'm one of the premium players. I don't know what else he can do,

Oho. So with that being said, I understand Miles is frustration.

He's had it up to here wherever he so his six four six five self, he just wants to move on and have an opportunity to play meeting for football in December and January, and I'm not so sure Cleveland can provide that over the next two years. And he says, I want to be somewhere where I can compete for a championship, and I don't believe that's in Cleveland.

Yeah, let the man go on by this business. Baby, we still waiting. You come on, write that down. You come on down the street, know the Cincinnati if you want to.

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