Welcome to the show and thanks for taking the time to check us out here. My guest today is Sahaja ticket in. I think I said that right? He's the frontman for the band Ra. And he's also doing a lot of collaboration with some very big name artists like Tommy Vex from bad wolves. Le john Witherspoon of sevendust, the band's star set and of course, Motley Crue.
So we'll get into all this plus talk about the curse of Ra, as the harsh calls it, the struggles the band had, but as well as their success, plus the meaning behind their new single inter corrupted and a lot more. So check this out. Welcome. so harsh tickets in a practice that did I say, right? You did. All right. It's what it's like, stick
it in sticking up. Yes.
Yeah. So I think I figured this out. You said it's like it's a Russian, Russian Jewish father. That's the last name. But your first name is actually that's not your birth name. It was some sort of name that was sent from India at this like meditation center. I know. I'll let you tell the story. I'll probably screw it up.
Yeah, so as far as the name goes, my my given name, my mother named me, Daniel. Okay, but it was it was sort of those one of those weird things where like, I grew up never really feeling like a Danny. Okay, just I don't know, it never fit. It always was something very strange. And I met this girl when I was 19 years old, who was like a world traveler, meditator, chick and super into meditation and doing
drugs and everything. And I sort of fell in love with her and, and we ended up sort of having this tumultuous relationship where I, I matured against my will, because she was sort of a terrible girlfriend. But in the process of in there, I studied Yeah, in the process, I studied meditation with her and started doing stuff like that. And ultimately, it ended up with me. And taking what's called Sanya, which was followers of this guy and called Osho Rajneesh. And he was alive at the time that I
took it. And but he died shortly after, but in the, in the interim, I got, I got a new name. And I actually traveled to India shortly after he died. But the, but the name that they gave me was unreached Sahaja. So I'm reading sort of like a surname like in like, we have Mr. And Mrs. But yeah, in Sanskrit, they
have more than one. So this is, um, read some read meant eternal, and so houshmand, spontaneity, and I thought that was a pretty cool name for a musician, and it felt very much like me, I don't know, it was one of those weird things, they gave me the name, and I'm not really like a weird spiritual energy guy. But when they said the name out loud, I sort of laughed for like, 15 minutes, you know, heard my real name for the first time, you know,
so you don't do the meditation, all that stuff now, then.
I mean, so, yes, and no. So so there's, you know, there's sort of, like, we're gonna get deep already. Hmm. So the first, the first thing that that that, you know, with meditation, at least for me, when I started going deep on it, you realize that music is a very high frequency, but it's not the highest frequency. So this is sort of like a spiritual vibration, if you will, that's
higher than music in them. And what I mean by that is sort of like, when you hear about, like, Eastern philosophies and Buddhism, all that stuff, there's always sort of this talk about being of the world but not into what being in the world but not of the world and sort of like being beyond the the mental attachments, the, the, you know, this is all stuff that gets very complicated quickly, but because, you know, in like Christianity, there's a lot of things where people like, Oh,
you give up your Well, your worldly possessions and live a pious life. And that's, that's sort of a bad symbol of what it
is that it started at all. And when it started at all, it was all about sort of like just understanding your your attachments as your emotional attachments, your mental attachments, your pre programming that you get as a child when you work, you know, and when you grow up and turn into an adult, all of a sudden, you're, you know, your brain is functioning on a level that's automatic, as opposed to free.
So basically, through meditation and stuff like that you're supposed to be able to be become more aware of when you're being free and when you're being on
autopilot. And so for me, the meditation that I started to dive into was really illustrating that but the side effects If that was sort of me understanding that there was this other universe that was sort of cooler than music, and I know that's a weird thing to say, but, but it just there was something more sort of beautiful in the universe than just music.
So when I became a full time musician, and a professional musician, there was a little bit of a compromise I had to make, because there was no way to really, really be in tune with music, but also still sort of in the back of your head feel like, well, this isn't even best, not
the end of the road. So I sort of had to make it the end of the road for me, I had to sort of decide that my form of meditation was going to be music, and that I was going to try and practice through music, and see if I can get glimpses into the, you know, the higher higher levels while using music. Now, of course, music is an intrinsic part of any like, Eastern meditation and stuff like that, but, but it's always just a tool you use to get somewhere. Whereas like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to
reproduce. Yeah. And by the way, when I say I'm trying to do this, with 20% of the songs, the other 80% of the songs, I'm just trying to get on the radio. But the percent of the of the raw catalog that has, you know, like a poet's dream, or crawling to the sky, these kind of songs that are literally job or undertaking that are literally just poems designed to sort of create a landscape within you. Those songs are what I'm talking about here. So there was a
little bit of a sacrifice. So to answer your question, I don't really sit down and meditate like I used to, and I don't practice it. But there are times when I'm writing certain kinds of music, depending on the band, depending on the artist, where I feel that I'm touching something immortal. Yeah. And that is the part that is higher in vibration. Yeah,
well, so anything? Yeah, cuz I think there's several forms of meditation. I mean, I remember somebody telling me that even just taking a walk can be meditation, if you're focusing on the, you know, left foot, right foot left, that that it's like being in the moment, I would say, for a lot of meditations, just, you know, being in there. Because we're so distracted. In this world with everything that's going on. It's like, it's hard for us to like really be in the moment or like you said to this
higher spiritual level. So
yeah, my favorite analogy was always the sky analogy, the clouds in the sky. So when you're sort of unconscious, and you're just dealing with all the garbage that you're dealing with all day, day and night, it's a cloudy day. It's just cloudy their clouds passing all the time, you're so focused on the clouds that you forget that there's a sky behind it, right? And the more that you allow the clouds to pass, the more you can see the sky, the clearer it
gets. So isn't it so the practice of meditation is letting the clouds pass without actually trying to focus on them to focus on the sky beyond the clouds. And that analogy to me has always been beautiful, because it's that thing where it really takes an enormous amount of effort to not do anything.
Yeah, no, I know.
It's hard and
of course, is the is the ultimate goal. But you know, that's one of those things. It's like, Oh, just playing Eddie Van Halen solo. Yeah, it's like there's no, you don't just sit down and do it. Yeah, no, it
takes practice. Yeah, I stuck with meditation classes. I remember my teachers like you have monkey brain, you know, because I just couldn't like, I can't fall it's like hard to just relax. It's it's hard to turn your brain out. But that's what you try. But anyways, let's talk about music a little bit. So you started getting into music. It sounds like a very young age like you.
Firstly, one of the first things you did was you sang the solos and Charlie Daniels fiddle solo, but you were like humming that but then the really interesting one was where you tell the story about how your brother brought brought home this like jazz fusion album, and you were like acting out all the different you thought like the characters, and you kind of made it almost like a like a play. It sounds like or like you kind of acting out what the singers were doing.
Yeah, I mean, I was superduper young, and my dad and my brother Marcus brought home a record called the romantic warrior by a band called return to forever. Now for anyone who's a musician and a like a musician's musician, this band had like the most insane people in it, so it had chicken Rhea playing piano. It had Stanley Clarke playing drums. I mean, playing bass. It had album Yola playing guitar and it had Lenny white playing
drums. This combination of like apex predators when it comes to musicianship, I had made this record and what was amazing to me at five or six or seven years old, was they really did I maybe I, you know, obviously I'm a kid, so I'm sort of fantasizing in any way, but they named each song based around it was almost like the cover art. I felt like the cover art came before the album. But in my brain, yeah. The cover was this incredible night. And he was the romantic
warrior. So there was this entire, you know, every song had the majestic dance was one, the jester versus the tyrant was another one. Like they had these cartoonish titles. And it was just this thing where I was so obsessed with the melodicism that was connecting with me that I was able to invent sort of a, a dialogue between the instruments and create this storyline, which I think they
did consciously. I don't think you know, there's, there's certainly a beginning a middle and end with you read the tracklist. You know, because the final thing is the duel between the tyrant and the gesture, it's like, you know, it ends like an action movie. So for me, that was that was the beginning. And immediately after discovering that was when I discovered both Zenyatta and data by the police and security by Peter Gabriel.
So those two records right there were direct descendants of my love for return your forever. And what's weird, is later meant and 20 years later, I read an article by staying where he said the only two artists that ever changed his life watching them live was Jimi Hendrix and Newcastle and seeing returned to forever. And I thought, easiest thing that is crazy. Yeah. blew my mind.
Did you ever meet Peter Gabriel or, or staying or either any of those guys,
your heroes? The only one out of that entire camp that I ever met ever was Tony Levin, who was the bass player for Peter Gabriel for many, many, many years. Okay, on that security album, all the way up until most recently, you know, so I met Tony Levin because you used to live in Woodstock, New York. So I met him a bunch of times when I was up there working and I never I met sting handshake met him at Carnegie Hall and then another time at a show but it was like the hood
Nice to meet you better. And that was it never had a conversation. You know, he'd I don't know if he knows I exist, although we did do a police cover that his manager miles Copeland had to approve. Sure. So there is a chance that he didn't he's had he's heard my voice but never got to have a conversation with him. Never got to, you know, meet Peter Gabriel or my other idols, which were YouTube. And, or prints. Those are all like my, my sort of
like, pre hard rock idols. Okay, cool thing about the Hard Rock idols is that I've pretty much met every one of those. So I'm stoked on that. That's really cool.
Yeah. So you started this is interesting. You started singing in the Glee Club in junior high, and you would get like called for all the solos and you didn't like that? Because the other kids kind of resented you. So eventually, you just got so tired of it that you quit, like, how did your teacher and your parents let you quit if you have such an amazing gift?
My parents, I was the youngest of six. And everyone else, we're all ready musicians and artists in some capacity. They were answers and performers in some capacity. I don't think they felt by the time they got to me that they had the need or the desire to sort of shape my conclusions when it came to stuff like that. So my mom really may had nothing to say about me quitting. The Glee Club. The teacher, I remember her name was Mrs.
Lehman. She was very upset. He basically, I remember, in sixth grade, she really she pulled me aside and she said, I don't understand why you don't want to do this. This is so easy for you. And I said, you know, and I was I was a fat kid. And I was just really trying. I wanted to be cool, so bad, that I just didn't think singing solos in Glee Club was cool. You know, I didn't mind I did a couple of plays, one of which was West Side Story, and I crushed that I
had like a blast doing it. But, um, the Glee Club thing was like, you know, singing climb every mountain in in in a in an auditorium. And it was just sort of the stuff that I was just like, I know, I just didn't, I was already starting to rebel. I was starting to get into hip hop. I was starting to do graffiti. I was starting to break dance, all of that stuff all at that time. And it just got pretty uncool. Pretty quick to the point that it when I went to high school, I didn't
audition. I auditioned for singing and I auditioned for painting. And I got in for both right, but I chose painting.
Yeah. And then you and then you met some guy there that you were in a bandwidth called cross Cross of snow as I was called in the early 90s. And then, but then so then I don't know if you broke up. But eventually you meet this tell me this story. You You met this guy who was like a hedge fund trader, and he was kind of like your mentor and he kind of bought you like a recording studio and let you live in his
basement. Like, how do you find somebody like I want to find someone like that, that just like takes me under their wing and like how I mean that must he's like a Gift from God, right? I mean having that kind of help.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm a weird person, even to this day. I've never really looked at fortune, like good fortune as like something I earned. So when things good have happened to me, I sort of, I sort of take the perspective of I don't want to fuck this up. I don't want to take this for granted. Right. And I don't want to dote on it at all. I want to I want to utilize that moment to
the most that I can. My Sister Nancy, who's been in my sister, Rachel's been in a million movies, but my my sister, Nancy has also been in some movies, but she's also been on Broadway for many years. And she was dating this guy, and maybe made for very long, but in the process, she introduced him to me. And he was a hedge fund trader, and Greenwich, Connecticut. And he basically was like, you know, I want to
build a studio in my house. So can you find me the stuff to do that, and he gave me a check for $13,000 and said, you know, and I ordered, I made my first order in 1994, I made my first order to Sweetwater sound, which is now of course, a massive company, but they were a small company back then, and I did an online order, because they didn't charge sales tax. And I bought an eight at and a Mackie 24 by console, and we started a recording studio in his house and branch cut to cut to a few
years later. And we've upgraded significantly now we have three to task Md 88. And we have an additional expansion to the mixer. So it was 48 by eight, and then all this outboard gear and speakers and, and the ns 10s that I still have at my studio here. And he you know, he basically just bought this stuff, put it in the bottom 8000 square foot house, he put the studio on the bottom floor of it, and I basically had the entire floor was just me and him.
Did you live there? Do you live in the basement
for three years? Didn't know why
did he really believe in your music? Or he just wanted to do this as a hobby or like what was his reasoning? It
became? Well, first of all, I think it became sort of a dual thing, right? Because I was the I was his Kato kalen I was the guy he hung out with and
that's awesome. That's a great analogy.
Yeah. And I and I had fun. We did a lot of really, really fun stuff. Yeah. And he would you know, he just sort of he was I was non threatening to him. Okay, I didn't I always as I said before, with opportunity, I always go out of my way. So I never was like a burden on him. I didn't cost him money, I would try and put money in his pocket
whenever I could. And he bought all this gear, obviously, you know, for me, but it was his and there was no misunderstanding about that, you know, and I taught myself how to, you know, the basics of engineering and producing there. And this is all pre Pro Tools. So yeah, when I was recording I was recording takes, you know, live. And if I didn't do it good. I just do it again. It wasn't like I could stack 20 takes and then pick the best one I had. I had I only had 24 channels for whole for a
whole recording. Yeah, no, it was it was pretty crazy. That was crazy, really great lesson. And by the time I got signed to my first real record deal, I was fairly equipped based just because of what I had learned through him. Sure.
So why did you explain the the name? Ra it's it's your name the band after the sun Egyptian Sun God, is that correct? Or, but do you think there was ever a problem because I noticed it's like so annoying. Whenever I try to type in your guys's band on like Spotify, or even just like on Google, it always will extend like any website, I go, like concert archives, I'm trying to see what shows you guys have done. And I'm like, Ra and it just gives you this giant list. I'm like, No, that's the van.
That's it. All right. And then like, Did you find that like, annoying as well?
Well, obviously, when we invented the name, it was 1998 Yeah, so it wasn't algorithms algorithms were driving exactly 0% of people searches at that point. At least there you know, there was nobody really using the internet. Okay, so and even if they did, I still feel like it was easier back then. than it is now. But But anyway, the you know, the the cool part of I'm having that
name. And the old days was that if you looked on a poster, and there was a whole bunch of bands, you know, there would be bands that had one or two words or just long words. You know, if you looked at a post and it's at Lincoln Park System down that it had that but if you just said right, it always stuck out because it was so short, oftentimes, and oftentimes in the list, it was the biggest thing because each band had a finite amount of space. Okay,
fill up. So we would fill out listings we were always smart noticed banned. But of course that backfired horribly, as soon as realaudio and rheumatoid arthritis and all of the things that start with Yeah, the dominant thing or what
about like raw sushi the restaurant you know if you guys have those down here, it's like a chain does that one get a there's no lawsuits.
I don't find that very much. Okay, if you go to Spotify, a lot of times, it's based on your search history. So if you're, if you're a pop chick, then you might search Rachel, what's her face, and Rachel Platten might be the person that comes up when you put up raw, you know, like, I know a lot of friends in the Rocky universe that will, they'll get rage against the machine or Ramstein before the bra, the band starts to show up. So the cool thing about Spotify is, for each person, it's
individual. So if you search our place, if you search us multiple times, eventually, it starts showing you us all the time and remembers where you've been the most. So yeah, now like on my own personal Spotify, if I go on, there's always the raw thing is always there. Okay.
Yeah. Another shortcut I found is like, either typing in the name of an album, or song will also
write that Oh, that leads me to the, to the most recent single, because I literally named the song. I mean, obviously, when I was writing it, I wrote it under
the criteria of
a cool name. But then when it came to actually choosing a single and sort of naming the album, I was consistent with into corrupted because it's not a real word. So if you search into corrupted on Spotify, exactly, zero things come up, except us.
Yeah, no. And I love that song. Yeah, I want to get to that too. But so going back to like, how you guys got signed, this was like, kind of a crazy story, too, that you kind of had them. You didn't own the Masters, but you were like selling the records illegally. And then you had to buy them back. Or so that was the story with that.
So the way we got away with this is basically that I'm the first real label we signed to was a subsidiary of Sony called ADAL. America. So ADAL in Germany is the largest independent record company in all of Europe. It's called Adele. Okay, so that was huge at the time, but they decided, you know, what, we're gonna take a stab at the US. And they created a middle America. And that was the label that we signed to first. Now the cool thing about that was that there weren't a
lot of artists on us. And they were We were supposedly a priority. But even before we finished our record, the record company pulled out of the US and bank and closed down the label. So the label got closed, before we ever put out a single song. And I was stuck with these masters that Sony owned, that I couldn't use for anything, but that had my best songs on. So my option was either go back into the studio, rerecord them all or when I talked to my attorney, he was like, You know what, this is
so small. And so under the radar, we might be able to get away with it. As long as you know, for a period of time until it gets big enough, and then we'll deal with it then. Yeah. So basically what we did is we started set we made a deal with a company out of Phoenix, Arizona, that was a distribution
company. And they ended up putting the record in like Newberry comics up up northeast, and who was spinning, do you call my name, which was, you know, Mistress Carrie was the DJ who found us and discovered us
and put us on the air. And sort of like, you know, it was one of those weird those fairy tale stories where somebody plays a song and the phones light up and all this stuff that doesn't happen anymore, you know, but basically, it was one of those things where like, no one knew us, we had no following and somebody played a song and the phones light up. And then two months later, we're selling 20,000 records of this EP that we put out on our own that we
didn't know. So when it got to the point where we were getting offers, and we were figuring out where we're going to go for a label, and we were talking to Universal Republic. My attorney was like, Look, I'm going to draw you up a document. We're going to connect with the guy at at at Sony, and you need to buy
your masters back. And I was like, okay, so I arranged the meeting, I drive downtown in a cab with a check for a certified check for $15,000 and gave him $15,000 he signed the paperwork, brought the paperwork backup, literally got in a cab, rode a 20 minute ride uptown, to 57th Street and seventh walked upstairs and signed an $850,000 record deal with Universal Republic. So there
That's short time we're in the middle where you're unsigned.
Right? The 20. I was signed unsigned for 20 minutes. Yeah.
So then they released the album. You guys get a song on Carrie to you. You got some singles and
Mary to think But that was before right is on ADAL America.
Okay, so that was before. Okay, some exposure though.
That was literally a one off, okay. Just for that film, right. So
but then yes, you get the deal. You get songs on the radio, you're doing tours, you're opening for cedar and stone sour. And this is interesting, because I interviewed PJ Farley. I love that guy I love and I'm a big trickster fan. But I'm fascinated that you, you reached out to him to be in the band and he turned you down. Because like I always thought that there was kind of this like hairband discrimination back then in the
90s. Almost like where people like, you know, they didn't want to be associated, but you actually wanted him in the band. He's the one that turned you down. And then he then he then you reached out to him again, after you were touring? Because he didn't do you not believe that you guys were going to make it or something? Or he didn't he just wanted to?
I think I think in the initial approach, there just was no, you know, PJ was already at a point where if he was going to do sort of sideman gigs, he was going to get paid. And we didn't have money to pay anybody at the point at which we this is prior to going to Boston and prior to sort of blowing up on the radio, and prior to doing all that stuff. So we had no
money. And I think he just looked at it from the perspective of, well, I can't, I can't, you know, really just jump out of everything else that I'm doing and join your band without some sort of paycheck. Uh huh. And we just couldn't afford that. So he passed on it, we ended up using someone else who was a friend of Mr. Scary and WTF. And he was a cool dude. And I still love them to this day. But their variety of things happened that made it an unworkable work, you know,
business relationship. And we ended up parting our ways. And I called PJ and now I'm calling PJ, we're already on tour with stone sour and a tour bus making money. So I was able to give him a salary in the beginning. He just literally stopped everything he was doing and jumped in a plane and came out.
But did you know of his like, he was in trickster and you were like, I don't care. Like he's gonna
really care about that I actually go on to a play a place. One, at the time location was sort of relevant. Yeah. Okay, I was living in New Jersey, and Farley was living in New Jersey. And scooter was living in New Jersey, and Ben was relocating to New Jersey in order to do all this stuff. So, um, that was relevant. And I'd watched him, you know, play 40 foot rainbow.
Yeah.
Now 40 foot rainbow, but also, I watched him play just cover band, I think. Yeah. And he played in cover bands. And I was just like, this guy's pocket is really good. And I also, um, you know, thought he was a decent enough singer, that he could do some backgrounds. And we ended up, you know, it was sort of one of those things where he learned the song so fast. Like, I called him and he was out like, four days later, and we played the first show with him, and he knew every
song. So I was like, Oh, this is a guy who's in a cover band. He learned song every five seconds. That's good. So he literally learned all of our songs in like, two days. And it was it was crazy. But I mean, you know, and his personality immediately was the opposite of, of what I had had, in the sense that the first guy we had was really sort of like, excited about being on
tour. And like, the whole tour life thing was really like all he was about were as Farley came in, and he'd already, he'd already done it all, you know, and he was a professional, and he sort of knew what to expect. And there wasn't a lot about touring, you know, he was an anchor for me still is to this day, still the guy that like, keeps me from losing it when there's a lot of pressure, even with various aspects of touring and playing shows like even when we did shiprock earlier this
year, or earlier in 20. He just made it easier. That's cool.
Yeah. So then your second album, duality. You wrote 36 songs for this and you pick the best ones. So the single fallen angels, is it true that song was inspired by Kevin Smith's movie dogma?
No, it's not. But here's what here's why that's a thing. Okay, so first of all, the song is inspired by two very, very important songs to me. So, the first song is iseven Stranger by queensryche. b, it's actually Operation mindcrime in general, so that that whole record the intro to it, the way that that goes into the beginning of Operation mindcrime at the beginning, that whole thing is is literally how fallen
angel starts. So fallen angels starts with the talking and it starts with the snare thing, and then it goes into the song most people never realized that it was literally structured like the beginning of operation and the riff itself, the actual Verse riff was based on a band that I was obsessed with very early on that most people didn't know. But everyone knows now and it was Mr. bungle. Oh,
I love them. Yeah,
yeah. So there was a song called Travolta on Carnival, which is a very 1989 I think was the record. And I was obsessed with that group. And the, the Travolta song is like Voodoo. Yeah, yeah, yes.
Yes, that one.
And then that was the that was like, Oh, I'm gonna write a song like that. And that's what fallen angels versus bass. Okay,
so were you a fan of that movie at all? Or was that just total Wikipedia?
What happened with the movie is is that shortly after, shortly after duality came out. Some guy on the internet. Put scenes from dogma did well, fallen angels. Okay, weird, because obviously they go together.
Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. So then explain this. I this is a crazy story. Man. I interview a lot of musicians. I've never heard a story like this. So you guys released the record. And then later, you find out there's an error in the song like a skip on the CD. And so you had to like recall all these CDs and Best Buy. They wouldn't sell it or they wouldn't hurt your sales, right?
Yeah, so we call this the curse of raw basically, because we have, we have a few stories where we have like, we're poised to do really cool things. And then somehow something sort of out our out of our control screws everything up. The first one on duality was they manufactured the CD. And then Avery Lippmann called me and was like, hey, Scott, let's you know, we have a digital glitch in the first 40 seconds of of the album. And I'm like,
Okay, so what do we do? And he's like, Well, some of the vendors are gonna, you know, just offer people to get come back and get a replacement. But, you know, Best Buy is not going to sell them defective CDs. So they have to pull it off the shelves. And I was like, wow. And so basically just to make it make sense, in a business sense. we scanned about 9000 CDs, the first week of that period, which which put us at about 140, somewhere in that range on the one on the top 200 Billboard
chart. And the very next week when BestBuy came in, we did 9000 again. So what that means is more likely than not, we would have done probably 12 or 13,000. The first week.
Yeah,
yeah. And the difference between 9013 1000 on the Billboard that year would have been the difference between 140 and number 60. Oh, you would have man in the top 100, almost top 50. Had we gotten that 13,000 it would have literally changed the entire dialogue of how people think about the band. Right. And radio and everything
and yeah, right. And then the other thing on that album was that you guys did it was this the one where you had the police cover everything, every little thing she does is magic. This is interesting. You were saying that a lot of people thought it was the police. So their sales spiked and people weren't buying your version. But I listen your versions like heavier. I mean, they're both good versions. But I mean, it does sound here's
here's so here's an interesting coincidence. Okay. And I'm not sure that this plays out. timewise but it might just have been in people's psyche. Okay, the movie Demolition Man. I love it.
Yes. And Rob Schneider Sandra Bullock
thing redid the song Demolition Man, which is a police song with Dave Navarro. So we did like a hard rock version of Demolition Man. Okay, so when our song came out, there were people who were like, Oh, I really like this. It's like, it must be like a rock version that sting did. And so they So basically, you know, you were very, very heavy in data. Like they know everything about data research. They were watching all
the numbers. But the reason why that's the second instance of the rockers is because fallen angels was actually going up the chart pretty convincingly. Hmm. And it was going up. We were already in the mid 20s. And Dave Downey, the the radio guy was making the push. And then out of nowhere, in Cincinnati, this radio station started playing on an A hot AC station started playing every little thing and it went bananas. And it went crazy. So universal was like
wait, Stop the presses. This is on how they see this is a much bigger format. This is much more important. And they literally stopped what everybody was doing on the Fallen Angel side and focused on that. So that killed the signal a little bit and then the other thing I mean, there's so many, but like, well, then there's the rock curse as it as it applies to, uh, but I just remembered I can't remember it
was. But there's another there's another time where it sort of was like completely out of our control. When we signed it, we signed a deal with a company called cement shoes records. And the guy offered us $125,000, and a whole thing. And we've got to the point where we had what's called execution copies of the count contract, where you're just supposed to sign it. And we signed ours, and he never signed his, but he put our record out
anyway. And so we ended up in a situation where he had released our live record, and our other record wasn't going to come out. And it all just like fell apart at the last second, but the guy still released the album and like, it was a full on nightmare.
Why sounds like a nightmare.
suck up two years, like really good two years of what we were doing. Oh, 6208, we could have been out touring and sort of marketing what we were doing. But we didn't, we didn't get a chance to.
That's lame. So that first tour you did, you were I think you were married or in a relationship at the time. And you were really stressed out about your voice. And you didn't do any of the rock star stuff like getting drunk and going crazy with girls, and then the but then the second tour, you did that stuff, but then you're like, this isn't me. Right? You kind of experimented with that and just wasn't your thing.
So basically, first of all, I'm sort of like a serial monogamist. So that's part of the problem, too. I'm just not but you know, the side effect of sort of being on tour and watching all the other bands just be sort of crazy. And not being able to partake is that by the time I was able to partake several years later. It sort of seemed dumb. wasn't wasn't like, it wasn't like, Oh my god, I can't wait to do this for three years. It was like, Alright, let me try it. And I was like, Okay,
now I did it. To me, because, you know, first of all the anxiety of singing well, is still a thing to this day. Okay, you know, playing performing a show, and having, you know, my voice in good health is, um, you know, these aren't songs that you can just wait You know, I used to get so mad at Sean from See there because Sean would do all kinds of crazy partying all night after a show be crazy. Wake up at four o'clock in the afternoon, smoke a cigarette get onstage and soundcheck and sound
perfect. And just so you know, obviously, he's singing scratchy Nirvana esque vocals, but still, you know, it was just like, oh, man, I can't I can't I'd like I needed a humidifier. I was like with Celine Dion and the thing and writing on a chalkboard. So I didn't use my voice. And it was a
nightmare.
Like it was just a nightmare. But you know, you can't sing the chorus and rectifier as the second song in a show without having your voice. Yeah, just as No, you can't half ass any of these. Right? So it just became one of the things was like, geez, I'm doing six shows a week. And I'm singing my face off. I got to figure this out. Mm hmm.
Well, so then, but yeah. And then you like you said, You're monogamous. So now you're in a relationship. And you had this solo record that you wrote the songs about? Your wife? And I listened to some of this today? These are good songs. I mean, it's a little departure from raw. But I mean, it's like, how did you not really try to promote that very much? Or? Why do you think that didn't take off?
You know, the, the sad sort of truth about not only Rob, but my own career in general is is that I learned everything late. So promotion is one of those things that I didn't really understand. I didn't understand how it worked. You know, obviously, by the time 2012 rolled around, which is when I put that record out, the landscape had changed dramatically. And I didn't know what it was, I literally didn't really know how to promote and market something on the
internet. I just had no clue. I knew how to make a good record. I knew how to put it out yet. I didn't know how to get anybody to listen to it. Um, the truth with that record is is that there are you know, that was supposed to be sort of my, my Sting, john mayer exorcism, I just wanted to get all of that stuff out of my system. And plus, I had written these songs
for my wife. When I met her, and we was just starting to date, and I wrote these songs with the sort of, sort of, without, they were out of my control, they really just came out. You know, I love there's so much back in it at that time that I could not control myself. Like, I had to write the songs. So by the time I was done with the songs, I had seven of them, and I was like, geez, if I write five more, I
got a record. So I just wrote five more songs and made the album 12 songs and, and that was that and scooter, St. The raw drummer played on the whole thing, and we had a blast and we both sort of got into it. I think people will rediscover that. Yeah, at some point. I might even go back and remix those songs and re release it or something.
It's cool. Yeah, I like it. It's good stuff you've done and then you've done Yeah, you've done a lot of this like producer and co songwriting stuff. gotta ask you about this did you work on or did you write a song or two or several with the black moods? Because that's one of my favorite bands and I saw that and I was like, wait, what songs did he write? I
don't know which one I wrote one song with them. And it has to do maybe it's called when it rains or something like that. Okay, last song on the metas not the last album, but maybe the album but Madison Yeah. Yeah, something like that. I don't know their albums by name, but I talked to them because I was they actually were really cool and helpful. When we were in Arizona shooting our video. They let us shoot our photo shoot the raw photo shoot at their rehearsal space.
Oh, yeah. Okay, Josh
is awesome. I love those guys. Yeah, really cool.
That's really cool. Yeah, cuz that was like before, I mean, they're more, you know, nationally known now, but back in 2016, or 2015. I mean, they were super more local. So and then you've gone on to work with all these big bands - Diamante, Stitched Up Heart and are you doing something with Bad Wolves? Or did you do something with them?
Well, I wrote what Tommy Vext's two songs. That were technically Bad Wolf songs. But obviously now I don't know what they are- because he's not in the band. So I think he may be taking those songs with him to whatever he's gonna do. I know one of them- I LOVE- like one of them is just a crushing awesome radio song. So I'm hoping he puts that out. He told me what he was planning to do with it. I don't want to speak on it because I don't want to give up anything....but yeah,
he's gonna do that. I know Doc from Bad Wolves really, really well. And so I don't know where all of that's gonna end up. But the but yeah, that sort of the two biggest projects that I have right now that is I mean, I did the stuff with Motley Crue and yeah, songs. But right now the two projects that I'm sort of super hyper focused on other than Ra are Starset and I'm doing Lajon Witherspoon solo record,
Right from Sevendust.
Yeah, sevendust... . Yeah. I put my eggs in both of those baskets. And it's funny too, because I was talking to LJ recently, he was here at my house. And I realized that my relationship with Sevendust is sort of like, what I've helped to create. And with LJ, it's like, Who created me? So it's like, there's so much... There's so many things that are, Sevendust was one of those bands that when we were starting out - he would say, okay, we were really good tonight. We did a really good
show. But what does that mean? If we're going on with Sevendust? Doesn't matter how good we were. We had to measure it by the Sevendust bar - are we as good as that live? And that was sort of- the thing and then I always tell about the first show we played in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. And it was a big radio show when Disturbed was on it and Sevendust was on it, Stereo Mud, Cinder, all these
old bands. And we ended up opening directly for I think it was Seether too - So see, it was us, Seether, then Sevendust and then Disturbed. So I've been talking pretty consistently about Sevendust for years. I mean, I loved Denial and 99- like I was obsessed. So I'm standing there and I'm singing the second song Rcctifier like I was saying, it's the second song. So singing Rectifier, and I just turned left, and the entire band of Sevendust is
standing and watching us. And I'm just like, Oh, no, like, I'm freaking out. I'm like, oh my god. Don't say anything wrong. Don't screw up the lyrics made all the notes. Don't be crazy... And then I came to find out many years later, that LJ - one of his favorite bands of all time was "Ra", which was sort of crazy.
Wow, that's really cool.
His wife, were, pretty connected with the Duality record because they were like meeting up together when that record was out. And yeah, so now we're like best buds and stuff like that. But yeah, very excited about his record. His record has got, you know, it's all very not Sevendust.. but it's all really good.
Okay. Well, we'll definitely look for that. And then yes, so tell me about going back to the Motley Crue stuff that you did you guys wrote three songs that ended up on the album. I think he actually wrote nine songs. They were all called "The Dirt" and then you narrowed it down to the three.
No... basicall , and going back even to Mot Nikki came over to my house. And we started Nikki and John 5 wrote a bunch of songs called ey Crue's history, Nikki wrote most of the songs. the Dirt - And we got together and we narrowed it down to working on stuff and we just got into a really good flow. And he three. But we only needed one. So what happened was we finished all three and then they're like, you know what we like all three.
became sort of like a house member, he was at the house for So and then we did a cover they did Like a Virgin cover?
Yeah. four months, just constantly coming over and he was always an
So the fun part for me is I helped write those songs and arrange them and stuff like that. And then ultimately, interesting guy to have around - you get the best - I always.... I sang all the background vocals on all So that was really fun.
That's super amazing. Yeah. So who did you actually sit down with? Because I saw you like, you posted a going back to like talking to Daydream and talking to the guys picture of you and Vince and you're like, "I finally get to meet Vince." And I'm like, well, but he didn't he co write the songs or how does it work? Like they take bits and pieces and and Korn and talking to the guys at Sevendust and talking to the put it together.
bands that I grew up with that I liked- the Theory of a Deadman's and the Chevelles and all of those bands. You get all the rock and roll stories. But then you realize when you're talking to Nikki Sixx that you've never really actually heard a real rock and roll story. A real rock and roll story from Nikki Sixx makes all the other rock'n'roll stories really pretty amateurish. So you're you're dealing with a whole other level of craziness.
But yeah he was at the house a bunch of times, and he was great. And, you know, we still chat here and there. So what is he does he tell you rock'n'roll stories that are like, not in the book, or the movie, the dirt? Because I mean, that the book in that movie, we're like, I mean, I read the book first and then saw the movie. But I mean, it's both both pretty crazy.
He told me so many that I realized after the fact that some of them were in the book, and some of them weren't. Okay, there were stories.... until I until I sort of investigated it all. Me and him had a funny moment very early on, because he started talking to me about sense of Los Angeles and all of these other songs, and I was like, dude, I know. Home sweet home, Girls, and Dr. Feelgood and that's it. I don't know any other Motley
Crue song. So basically in the beginning, I had to tell him that like when I was growing up, the the kids that like Metallica and Slayer didn't listen to Motley Crue and Guns and Roses. Like we were different. There was a different we were a different crew growing up, right.
I wasn't aware of the light at all. I know. I was like, I was definitely the weirdo that liked it all. But yeah, you're right for a lot of people.
But you're significantly younger than me. So you have to remember we're talking about the early 80s.
Okay, right.
So in the early 80s, there's no you know, you're on one team or the other the guy with the feathered hair and patches with the Motley Crue is not hanging out with the dude with the short hair and the leather jacket that said Celtic cross and Slayer. So, um, anyway, the moral of this story is as I
Sure. told him, I was like, Look - for me, the thing my thing was Metallica, like Metallica was everything and James Hetfield taught me how to down pick, like I wanted to be James Hetfield on stage with my band. And so it became sort of a running joke. And anytime we would come up with something good, like some idea that was good. Nikki would be like, well, it's good. It's I mean, it's not Metallica, but
it's good. So he would always rub it in and then one day he basically one day he texted me and he said, Hey, it'd be a couple weeks since I seen him. He texted me, Hey, I got you a present. And I was like, Okay, cool. And he was like, yeah, it's James Hetfield related. And I'm like, if it's not James Hetfield himself I'm not interested. And because I use always being a practical joker, so I wasn't quite sure where he was going with it, but he's like no, no, no, you're gonna like it
I'm like okay, cool. So when he came to my house, he ended up giving me this James Trussart guitar that was an explorer offender Explorer. Yeah, show it to you. Wow, no, that's really cool. Like so it's it's actually James Hetfield guitar that he Oh wow, that's really cool.
Look at the finish it's all alligator print. Ah, oh, this is a James Trussart Explorer and Trussart makes very, very expensive guitarist by hands.
Okay. Did he make up specifically for James Hetfield, you're saying? Well,
The story goes like this he made 10 of those guitars and immediately got a cease and desist letter from Gibson saying that you cannot call this an Explorer you cannot infringement on our fucking whatever. Okay, and whatever. So he only made 10 I got that one and James Hetfield has two...
Oh, okay, so you can
have them so I have one of the 10 that are made that's on the planet.
Oh, how did it I don't even know I didn't ask how Nikki six guys Nikki six. He just says give me that. He went to James Trussart to buy a bass, okay,
and saw that guitar and was like, Hey, what's up with that guitar, and just ended up buying it? That's super cool. It
was a neat story. So let's talk about we kind of touched a little bit on the the new raw song inner corrupted, but I love this song. It's got I love the melodies. I don't even I'm not musical. I don't know if it's melodies or harmonies but there's like keyboards playing during the chorus. It's like a hook. I I think this is the best raw song ever made. My opinion, I love it. All right.
Yeah, for me personally, I was trying to create the best of raw in one song.
Okay, I think you did it, you know, and
also incorporate all the bands that I work with now,
right? Because
Yeah, a lot of the bands, like one of the bands that I mentioned before that I work with a lot of star set. And yeah, um, you know that that universe is loosely connected. There's a small wormhole between Dustin's universe and the raw universe. And what I like about what I've learned, working with him, is about what he would say what he would use the term gravitas. And He always talks about sort of like this larger
than life thing. And I've always, you know, for me, it's always been about that on certain kinds of songs, and then the literal opposite on other songs. I mean, you know, I was trying to explain this to somebody the other day, that with RA, we sort of, even from the very beginning, had a wide palette, you know, there wasn't one just heavy songs, or just that, like, it wasn't always like, it was like, we can do a poppy song and then do something that's heavy and still be the
same band. You know, especially as we continued past duality. I mean, I have a song on critical mass about masturbating to Katy Perry. So no rules in terms of subject matter or feel or vibe. And songwriting. So when it came to doing it to corrupted I wanted to write something that made people feel like Ooh, that's the band, I remember. But also, with the ability to possibly get on octane and actually be Yeah, a viable modern track.
No, that's why I reached out because I was going through the list of rock album, rock charted songs, and I was like, next next, and then I heard this song, and then even my girlfriend was she came out she goes, well, what's that song? That's really good. I was like, it is Isn't that right? It's really good. So but explain to me the lyrics of this one, because this goes a little deeper. This is not about jerking off to Katy Perry. This is like some, some heavy stuff
here, isn't it? It's about bringing children in the world and their expectations that the world is going to be all happy and roses, and then they find out actually reality sometimes can suck. And so I don't you can explain it better than I can. It's your song. But
Yeah, I mean, the way that I like to say it in the shortest fo... in the shortest way... is we all share the responsibility for creating the
people we don't like. So when we're... if you think about the last year or two of divisiveness, and craziness with politics, and all that stuff, people on the far left are just as responsible for creating the people on the far right, as much as the people on the far right are responsible for creating the people on the far left, because when you feed the extremes, they
get stronger. So the more liberal you are, the more pissed off the other guy is, the more right wing conservative you are, the more pissed off the liberal is, they're feeding off of each other, but they're doing it unconsciously. And what Intercorupted is - that we have to accept our own art, what what's it corrupted within ourselves, before we can ever evolve beyond just the blind cycle of hatred, right? Because the second someone decides, oh, I'm doing this specifically.
That's creating your reaction. My action here, my defiance, my lack of empathy, and clarity, is directly contributing to your inability to understand me. So I moved from Los Angeles to Fort Wayne, Indiana. That's a culture shock. I'm an I'm half Puerto Rican, half Russian Jew from New York City. I've lived in LA for 10 years, I moved to the state that voted that that was called for Trump. The earliest right, so right, this is this is the this is technically the reddest state
in the country. yet. When I talk to all of our friends, we have tons of friends who are avid Trump supporters, when I talk to them consciously and with information and you find out it's so silly, how many things we want that are exactly the same. There's literally nothing that is a big item that we don't want the same. What happens is we're simply fed the echo chamber right, left enough to where we prioritize the things that don't necessarily even amount to that much.
So I agree with all of us. Yeah, you're spot on right now.
There's there's a lot of You know, positioning and chess, the psychological chess being played by both sides. And what happens is whether you're reading Breitbart, or you're watching MSNBC, you are a pawn in this game, and you're being used to move the dialogue left or right, based on which makes
more money. So if you're at the end of the day, committed to watching MSNBC, because you've now been indoctrinated into the far left idea of - certain aspects of sensationalized socialism, or whatever it is, or certainly or or conversely, if you only watch Fox News and only agree with Laura Ingraham, because she's the only one who speaks the truth, you're also sort of dealing with a alternate reality that you're not aware of that you're living in it as a consumer, you're being used as a
customer. So they're literally creating ads and everything based on the fact that you have a perception and a perspective that they gave to you. So all of this stuff very quickly sort of illustrates how we get divided.
But the only way I believe you can end up being connected or or reconnected or evolve past the pettiness is if you spend enough time observe observing yourself, because you have to observe your your behavior your wants and needs, before you can dissect the pieces and cut out the pieces that are really just there as an as a reflection of a movement that has nothing to do
with you. So to you to make that a simpler analogy, when I'm here in Fort Wayne talking to people that I genuinely have known for 10 years, and that I love, but they have wildly different political views. It's not that hard for me to speak to them with compassion, and to actually learn different perspectives that I wouldn't be open to because I genuinely love them. But we live in a society now where we don't get that because 90% of our interaction online is with people we don't even know.
So there's no empathy, there's no compassion, why would there be these are literally just robots, emotional, crazy people on the other side of the world who are typing inanimate letters. And it becomes very easy to just sort of, you know, so yeah, so not even realize,
Getting in touch with yourself and figuring out what what you need and what you want and what you think, but also listening to other people not listening to different news, or look at different articles, but actually just talk to people. And you're right- I think you find you have a lot more common ground with people. And a lot of us agree on the same problems, we just may not always agree on the same solution to the problem... but I think there's a lot more...
But even to that point, a lot of the times, people will parrot the solution that they've been told without understanding what their solution is. So people will be anti some policy or, like, people who are anti Trump are like, Oh, this China policy was crazy. And the fact is, is we probably had pretty decent China policy, and he did some good stuff in the Middle East, people have to understand that by the same token, we can't take that out of the things we didn't like
about them too, right? Like you have to be able to... what alway frustrates me is that people ar willing to treat the res of the world differently than t ey would want themselves to be treated. And that's the hing - if you can't engage yo r what your own wants and needs and respect level is for yourse f, then you have no ability to be respectful for anyone els .
Well said, very well said. That was deeper. That was a good analysis about the song lyrics. So that's what that's kind of all about, then.
Yeah, it's the thread. You know, like, my, if I were to, you know, a soundbite version of it is the last line of the chorus is everything comes down to the last line of the chorus. And the last line of the chorus is, it's too dark for the world to see the light between you and me.
That's beautiful. It really is really cool. Yeah, that's good. I love that. So like, I think it's the best Ra song so I hope people check it out. I hope it continues to get airplay or Spotify playlists or whatever. On movies and TV. I think that's kind of the big thing now right is getting on like a movie soundtrack or a TV show, because nobody's buying not very many people unfortunately are buying records, right?
Yeah, but that's who cares about buying records what All I want is I want the people to be able to find our Spotify page
and find us on YouTube. So typing in or corrupted that you're the only one that's a made up word on it. Plus,
you know, I mean, I don't want to speak before it's out. But the album you know This record for me like you said, that was the best song. I don't think that's even the best song on the record. Ooh,
well, I'm excited to hear the recipe. I
think I think there's there's stuff on this record that really sort of irreverent in some regards, but even luckier, okay, my songwriting sort of chops are now hyper focused and refined because I write 15 to 20 songs a month. So it's like, there's so many bands that I work with, and so many artists and I'm always sort of put in my toolbox. I think this record, you know, and also, you know, like, as a
singer, I feel comfortable. In my, in my role as a top singer, like, I never liked being so you're one of the best singers, again, the way that I am. I take that as a, as a as a responsibility. But I think that with this record, people will listen to me singing and be like, Well, yeah, like, no one else really can do that.
Yeah, cuz isn't it true? You don't think you do this anymore? But you did hold the record for the longest single note by a Male Vocalist and a song you held a high B note for 24 seconds.
Yeah, and it was sort of stupid, because it wasn't that it wasn't intended. I mean, I still think I technically still give myself the credit because I did it in a show. Yeah, live show and it was on a live album. And the guy who broke it did it on it on an album. He like did it in the studio. So I'm always suspect about guys holding of songs, ya know, for 42 seconds on a metal song. But which is possible, and I didn't do it on purpose anyway. Okay. The moral of the
story is, that became a thing. I don't really know why, but yeah, sort of a cool thing. But ultimately, you know, I'm just saying, but like, I'm sort of Okay, in my skin right now as a singer. Yeah. And I feel like I don't have to really I'm not really competing with anybody.
No, but so and then as a songwriter? Do you find yourself Do you save the best songs for raw? Or do you
just here's the funny thing, it takes me so much longer to write stuff for other artists than it does for me to write for myself. Like, just recently, I had a song that I had to finish. And I just, I've done it so many times that the language of rye is the one that I reserved for the higher vibration and I just sort of channel it honestly. It's very rare that the lyrics for a song or the top line melodies take me more than a half an hour.
That's really cool. You also you and you guys do that the raw does this, the police cover but I saw you do like an acoustic cover of Roxanne if people should check that out. It's on YouTube. And I mean, you just sent you hit these notes and I'm just like blown away. That's a really cool cover. I don't know if you can release that on a record but the YouTube version is really cool.
Yeah, it's been out for a while our YouTube our YouTube pages is woefully viewed in terms like until we put into corrupted it. We didn't we didn't have things that are had over 100,000 views. I mean, that has almost 200,000 but the but yeah, we never again, I never really was good with the online promotion thing. Of course. You know, I sang for me Tao Amitabh Khan. Yeah, one of her projects, but she's the number one most subscribed drummer in the entire world. So in that regard, I got
on some good stuff. But you know, took until like, 2012 2013 even meet her. Hmm,
yeah. And then yeah, so I did want to ask you, your sister Rachel. So she she wasn't She's the girl from Total Recall falling down. And that's pretty that's got to be pretty cool. Do you have any? Do you ever get to go to these movie premieres or anything like that? Or
never went to? I went No, never went to a movie premiere with her because I didn't really live in LA when she was making those big movies. But, you know, I mean, she's my sister. So it's so it's always like, you know, when I think of Rachel I think of how annoying she is and how we might fight all the time. You know, but I have great memories of like meeting Arnold on on the set of Total Recall. I was in Mexico City when they were shooting.
And my other brother David has has been an assistant director for film for 30 years, almost 40 years.
Wow.
You know, I've been I've worked for him on movie sets. So I've been around movies a lot.
Yeah, and you film The your inner corrupted video you found out here in Phoenix, right? I did in suits you guys around? Yeah, it was like yeah, it's right by the used to be the Dodge theater. I think it's called something else now. But you guys are wearing suit. You said it was 112 and you had to wear those suits.
Yeah, that sounds it was we started at 530 in the morning to get ahead of the heat. And weirdly, because I was just so excited to make a video we never you know Roz never really made a real video. I was so excited that I really didn't notice how hot it was. Why didn't I have a mask on I had a suit Yeah, sweating but I just I just didn't care.
And you guys and you guys are not gonna tour are you going to do any live So yeah,
I mean, we want it. Oh, okay. We just announced Well, our presale just got started. And we announced in the presale that we're doing a virtual concert that's going to air the day the record comes out.
Okay. What is the day? The right we have an official date on March 19? March 19. Okay, so people should definitely check that out. And then do you have a charity that you work with or you want to give a shout out to here?
I mean, I've always defaulted to St. Joseph's, you know, the the Children's Hospital.
Okay. St. Joseph. That's that's not such a not St. Jude's. That's a different one.
I think St. Joseph says the one in New York is okay. That is a children's hospital. It's actually a hospital. Online. I think it's St. Joseph's. Yeah,
okay, great. Well, I will put that in the link. So if people can throw a few bucks that way, that'd be good, too. Is there anything else you want to talk about? Anything I missed? I think we covered it all
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