All right, welcome to the chuck shoe podcast Today my guest is Rick Rule. So Rick is the singer songwriter for the band, every mother's nightmare. And this band, you know, they had some big songs videos back in the day on MTV. Love can make your blind walls come down House of Pain. And they played alongside some great bands like cheap trick and Van Halen. You know, he was on the Joan Rivers show, so things were really
good. And then, you know, they weren't like a lot of the bands of that era, the early 90s, late 80s when grunge hit, then you know, the music scene obviously changed. And Rick fell on hard times, but he's back now. And he's got a brand new records called resurrect the faithful. It's out now the single breed has over 175,000 views on YouTube. The band sounds great. Rick is really excited. You can hear in his voice. So check it out. I think you'll enjoy this.
And welcome to the show a Rick Rule that I say that right?
Yes, right.
Okay. It's easy to pronounce. Nice. Every mother's nightmare singer, songwriter you don't play you don't play guitar on stage, do you?
Not no more managed to I'm not a very good multitasker.
Gotcha. Gotcha. But you do you do? play guitar, right?
Yeah, yeah. My first love. I started out playing drums and moved to guitar and then went to singing out of because we could never find anybody to do it. So I just did it. And it just stuck with me, you know?
Yeah. So it was like Jim Morrison, Steven Tyler, Robert plan and Alice Cooper were kind of your, your main influences. In fact, it was a welcome to my nightmare Alice Cooper concert that kind of inspired you to get into music and right in the first place in rock.
Oh, yeah, ma'am. I had my uncle was a drummer. So I had a, you know, music. He was a professional drummer. So he, he was in my life had me, you know, looking at that. And my uncle worked for Charlie Daniels for 29 years. So Oh, I didn't stick around. But
yeah, what did your uncle do for Charlie Daniels and I gotta go do that. What does your uncle do?
He's a drummer. He played in a band called stage Dustin was overseas. He's a classical drummer Matt real good. Okay. He, he he did the the the training and did it He knows everything. You know, percussion.
Okay, so yeah, and you grew up in Nashville. Now I visited there for the NFL Draft. I thought it was so I don't know if it's always like that. Like it was for the NFL Draft with just so many people live music everywhere. And I thought it was amazing. But you tell me what it was like growing up there as a kid in the 70s and 80s. Was it the same?
Yeah,
I actually grew up in Knoxville, Tennessee, the home of that Tennessee Volunteers, you know? Sure. And the music scene there was pretty much dead. So I moved to Nashville into a 10 by 20 storeroom. And you know just Yeah, that would be the same now there was a you know, you could go hit a Wednesday night in a bar before and the band was good. And you know, all the bands kind of worked with each other and trying to help each other get deals and stuff but
yeah, man so the live music was still big even in the 70s and 80s as it gotten bigger though, cuz I feel like it's I mean, there was music at the airports of the Uber driver was telling us there was a live music music and McDonald's like it's just literally everywhere
I looked at that a minute man they're trying to do they're trying to do everything there man it's it's the thing I don't like about it now that it's got so big like every day you go there it's this it's bigger there's so much more going on in the real true roots of the country in the record labels there kind of is a you know kind of got washed over by the by the tourist in the in the money and trying to make the money and all that thing but long as the music don't die I think it will be alright.
Yeah, that's good. So and then what about like the food in in in Tennessee? Is there some Southern dishes that are like known to Tennessee that you can't get anywhere else?
Oh, is it Yeah, there's a bunch fan. My favorite thing growing up was cold. I don't know if y'all heard it was we call it shit on shingles. It's basically CIF beep chip beef cream and toast.
No. meal. Okay, I don't know if I've ever heard of that. I didn't know the real thing. I thought it was like a slang term for something that wasn't very good. It's an actual dish though.
No, it's very, it's really good. Okay.
Yeah, so it's not just a clever name then to try to sell it. Okay, gotcha. Um, so then, so tell me about your the band that you're in. Now. You see every mother's nightmare you formed in 1987 in Nashville, and then you actually moved to Memphis I think Right.
Right. Yeah. Soon as soon as I got a handful of songs together. I had a manager already in Nashville doc fields in a heated waited on me to put the band together. And when I had enough songs and a little ballad, you know, he was like, let's go to Memphis and we came to Memphis man, it was like we got here on Memphis on a Friday night and then we were having for the, they used to call it Crossroads down here, but it was more like a, you know, Southwest, South by Southwest.
Okay, just labels came down and the neck by by Sunday morning, I was having breakfast with you know, BMI and ASCAP and, and talking to Michel Cohen and Clive Davis and Jason Flom from Atlantic. So yeah, a lot. My life changed a bunch.
Yeah. So tell me about your Clive Davis. Art art. What is it? artista records. That guy's pretty famous. He discovered Aerosmith. He's got like five Grammys. He's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a non performer. I feel like people always think these record company executives are the enemy. But what was your experience with Clive Davis? Was he just a shark in a suit? Or was he a good guy that helped you out or?
Oh man he was he was incredible. You know, the first thing he told me the our a&r man from Eris to them was Mitchell Cohen and he was just like the quietest, timid guy you'd ever meet in your life and how he came to see me and won't assign he was a that's the first thing that Clive told me goes, you know, Mitchell Cohen coming here and told me he had a band he wanted to sign in Memphis, Tennessee called every mother's nightmare. And he goes, had to
come and see. And, you know, when somebody like Clive Davis, you know, says they're coming to see you play. We didn't have nowhere to play. So we built a stage in a warehouse and got a PA crammed in there and got a bunch of our friends bands to play and got some beer and told her about it was free. And he came down, took my boots off my feet because they were held together with tape and guitar wire and everything and he put them on his desk. They sit on his desk for probably a year.
But know that it was he was a incredible man. You know, he's had his hands on like you said Aerosmith, Janis Joplin. You know, this Whitney Houston, you know, God, just everybody's touched was gold. He touched me, but I was ready for man I I had my band together was when I got my record deal. We, we had a handful of songs. And then we played 13 shows. And then the next thing we were in a studio,
recording a record. And, you know, all we knew we wanted back then was we had to have a record deal had to have a record deal. Yeah, so let's really know what to do with the record. Yeah, well, you're like to do with it. Well, we got it.
Yeah. So your record 1990 comes out self titled debut. It's a it's number 146 on the Billboard Top 200, which is, which is pretty good. And then you have that single love can make you blind. It's on the in the walls come down a couple singles on MTV. So did they tell you when they're going to play your video ahead of time on MTV or you just submit it and hope for the best and then you're surprised when they actually show it?
Right, less? Usually, that's usually what happens. There was the case of the walls video. I think it was the first video we did. Okay. Clive Davis himself. We were We were at arysta. And, and he he had the video in his hand and he walked it over to MTV himself and gave it to him. Wow, I think that helped it get played. But it was it was pretty cool that you know, he did that know, we kind of had a you know, a little bit of a knowledge of when it was going to get played and it was
maybe going to get played. Okay, you know?
Nice so then you guys get to tour with you're on and off the road with a we've kind of been touring with them on and off for a while. tortora and I love I've had the singer and the guitarist on there. What's it like touring with those guys? They seem pretty chill and pretty fun hang out with
Oh, yeah, they're like one of the first when I first moved to Memphis they're probably one of the first handful of people I met you know, they were you know, they were doing what we were trying to do and you know, Bobby shocking fact right now but the Rock City angels were here and, and just a lot of great bands. joiner. Dane was here and Artie Scott and a bunch of you know, the music scene when I got to Memphis was this crazy wide open. Good, you know?
Yeah, no, that's awesome. And then besides tortora you got to open for cheap trick that you said that was one of your favorite bands to play with them in the 90s you got to use their whole stage. What was that like?
Oh, man, you know, you just figure usually at any kind of opening gig we've done with anybody with any kind of fame. You know, they cut your lights and cut your stage and cut your time and you know, cut everything you know, and these guys man, we're we've brought a little bit of gear. They had we were playing I think in Nashville at Starwood amphitheatre. And, you know, there were OSI worlds years, boys, you know, they were just very, very cool, you know, for somebody to be on that level.
And we were just a, you know, an up and coming, rowdy Little Rock Band, you know, and they were just super nice. And, you know, I've met a lot of those. A lot of my heroes that I saw growing up that that weren't that way and really let you down but them guys were, you know, top shelf and Absolutely, thank you every day for what?
Yeah, that's really cool. And then you got to open for Dream Theater. Now tell me about that. Because those guys for people who don't know that band, I mean, they should know that band because the musicians in that band, like the drummer, the singer, like the keyboard player, every but the guitarist I mean, everybody in that band is amazing. We're just blown away every night.
The guys didn't even move their gear.
Oh my god.
Yeah. You know, that was just, uh, I don't even really remember how that happened. It was one of those little little tours it was thrown together. And once again, I think the reason that we got to jump on it because it was in an up in our, you know, at that plant, but we started out in Nashville, and uh, you know, yeah, I wasn't gonna pass that up. You can play there again, you know, in a bigger spot. So now but zoom guys, man, you talking about good man acres come out and killed every night?
Yeah, no, I bet and then another show what to ask about. jackals circus upower and Van Halen. So and Eddie Van Halen, obviously. I mean, he just passed away. Do you have any memories? Did you get to meet him? Or he seems like he's brown
never got to I never got to meet Eddie Van. You know, that was one of the bands. Anybody that grew up around, you know, my time, you had to go out and you had to go out to a record store and dig through the box and and find the cool record? No, you heard about the Van Halen record. But man, I wish I wish I could have met him I get to meet David Lee. When I'm recording our second record with Jim gangs down here in Memphis. David Lee was wanting to work with him. I want to be a
solo project. So he came out and hung out in the studio with us for three days. And he guys that I really looked up, you know, too, because for what he did, you know, people think he's brash, and whatever he is, but you know, that's what he that's what Van Halen was when it started, but, man, he came down to the studio and hung out for three days and sit over in the corner and listened to us record and talked and hung out was cool. And well, and we smoked weed. It was it was all good.
You know, so nice. Yeah, yeah, I got to be here. And I was I'm pretty happy about that. You know, I'm glad Yeah. I'm glad he was, uh, you know, I'm glad he was, uh, you know, not a an asshole. Oh, yeah. Very cool. Very cool.
Yeah. Cuz they say like, don't meet your heroes, cuz then he could be disappointed. But yeah,
you'll feel bad when you leave.
Yeah, but I always think it's like, to me, it's kinda like I can separate. I can say, Okay, well, maybe he's not a real cool person. But I still like his music or, you know, I still like the football team they're on or the movie they did or whatever. Like I try to separate it. Sometimes it's obviously harder to do that. You know, if they commit a crime or something, then yeah, yeah. But so you had an interesting quote. Yeah. That's true. Yet interesting quote about touring
with some of these bands. You said, some of the bands with no names, who were very full of themselves are so sorry. Yeah, some bands with no names were like really full of themselves. And then some of the bigger bands were actually like, cooler to you.
Yeah, I mean, it's, I guess it's just like everything. You don't know what kind of day you had when you met. I met Blackie lawless, and he didn't like me for nothing. And, you know, really? Yeah, he had we played the limelight with him. And I'm not saying that bad. But he had 452 monitors with 215 and horns in them, and they were the loudest shit ever heard my life and I was just trying to get his monitor man to turn them down. Because they were so loud. Yeah. And he wouldn't do that. In
Black, he wouldn't do it. So, maybe in a little bit of redneck. I just poured them full water and turned them off for him. And nobody used them and he was a little mad at me and he probably had more of a more of a right.
So wait, so we're gonna get straight. So he turned the music was too loud that he was playing and you turned it down because...
Because while we were opening for them, and I was using their monitors, and they had okay for them. Oh, that's it was so loud. Every time I said a word. It scared me to death. Oh, and I was just wanting to pull them out or turn them off. Yeah. And they wouldn't do it. Listen, so I did.
Wow, does that screw up but then it's breaks it right if you poured water on it.
Yeah, like
Oh, so it was just like a one time show or though like a tour you did with them.
That was John's show is Didn't go
first and last time. Hmm.
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah. Cheese. Okay. Wow. So another thing that you did is kind of interesting. You were on the Joan river show and you I heard you say that you got in trouble for this like what? You said something you weren't supposed to talk about or what?
Yeah, it was a the show. I thought the show when it first started, I thought it was about, you know, the band and this and that, and what was going on in music at that point in time. But yeah, when I got there, and I was sitting in the chair, I realized that the show was about what happens on the tour bus and what happens behind the scenes and show and what goes on and, and I had my drummer with me and he, he was, you know, I was in a relationship for a long time.
And he wasn't and he proceeded to lay it all out and I proceeded to get fired. Well. Whoops. Now, but it was that, you know, meeting her she was uh, she's crazy cool and wide open and, you know, anything goes but uh, you know, she just wanted to know about what happened on the on the bus after the shows and what was girls? You know, it was all the groupie stories as crazy as you know, stuff. You know, what they say
and show on TV. And, you know, I guess we kind of filled in the blanks a little bit of what it was back in the 80s. You know, yeah, party. It was a it was, you know, just wide open until it was too watered down.
Yeah, so is it true you you visited the Playboy Mansion to win you at the height of the band's peak?
Yeah, I got a little trouble there too. But why don't
you get in trouble for that? Yeah.
I just got in trouble. I was, uh, I woke up the next morning, I had a read from Hollywood back down to I think I was in Tampa or somewhere close to Tampa. And I woke up the, you know, got gotten a hotel relay got in my bed. My tour manager, Tennessee, woke me up in the morning with his cell phone, said, you know, Jackie's on the phone. And then he thermia USA today and he goes in this is why and I was on the cover of USA Today with debbie debbie dregs. I think that's her
name. She was a Playboy Playmate that I was doing the TV show with and we were just at dinner or something and she had on a booth ca top and she kept telling me all that, you know to flirt with or whatever and I saw I did they got a shot and I got fired again.
What do you mean you got fired? fired from what
I got fired from my home. My home was
Oh, your girlfriend fired you.
My woman went digging and she called me she goes uh it's kind of you know, weird sitting at your breakfast table with your grandfather and he's looking at you know, my fiance with a girl on the cover of USA today talking about being at the Playboy Mansion and stuff so it just didn't go real well.
I could see that I can see that so on some crazy time So then, but anyways, we haven't gotten so your second record wake up screaming Tell me about that. Because I heard you say that there was like three songs on an album that you didn't like but you did it as a favor to Clive Davis like the cover of tobacco road and a couple other ones.
Yeah, I mean, I just I call it when you know when I did this thing I was real gung ho about doing what this band was in this band has always been about nothing but being a you know straight jet rock and roll band and you know you get people that are backing you and doing your thing and spinning the
dough. You know you gotta you got to give and take and do you know what you got to do to to make it happen and he told me and asked me if I would do these three songs and the the he is the tobacco road and it had been done to death and these other two songs I think the guy from autograph right one of them remember turn off the radio
Yeah, yeah. I love them and you know and they were a good little hit songs but the thing about it was is when we were out touring and writing on the for the second record wake up screaming you know we were on the road watch and grunch you know come in every night I answer more grinds so the record label you know, Clive again we're going man we need another left you might be right and i was going man love to make the blinds go home and the ballot days are going to this music that's
coming up is is street music man. It's you know, it's more you know, more low budget and more bang for the buck thing in and but I did I sold my soul for you know, he said I get I'll get this on a movie. And I you know gave me a little bit of money and and I sold my soul to the devil because right then it all went downhill you know, because I didn't like you know, not that I don't want the songs but I didn't want to covered the back row. David Lee Roth did it better than I'm gonna do it?
Yeah. You know the other people before I can't do nothing for it. Yeah. So I needed him and I paid the price. And here I am.
Well, yeah. So you guys had to kind of scale down and you you played some clubs and some smaller venues. Who did? Did you tour do any tours off that record with any bands on that one?
Oh, yeah, man, we, I mean, we played with, man we went out with, we did a bunch of shows with I remember the band like green jello, and oh, this all kind of all kind of bands that we wouldn't be associated with, if considered to be an 80s band, but uh, you know, that that's, uh, you know, we always get offered tours, like winger and stuff like that, but and nothing against now they have cats, but you know, they were and that would have been big tours to get out and be in front
of a lot of people. Were just putting that kind of ban, you know, we're just, we're so different. Yeah. That we would we would pass on it and go out with somebody like circus or power or, or spread eagle or somebody like that.
Yeah. Those are some good bands. So then, so Jim, left the band. You still keep in touch with him? Is this around the time you started doing the motorcycle racing?
I pretty much raced motorcycles since I was. I'm gonna say five or six. Okay. That's, that's my, my problem. My really my my big thing. That's my drum. You know, so yeah, I raced motorcycles, bicycles and dirt bikes tool tool. My daughter was born so I started breaking my hands too bad so I had to quit that when I had record deal broke. I had a little girl going Daddy, I'm hungry. So um, yeah, man. I mean everything.
Yeah, so yeah, speaking of the drug so you did get into drugs for a little bit and then you I heard you talking about you got into crystal meth. Can you like Tell me how you got into that?
Well, you know, like this business after every night you play it's not real hard to get anything. Really it's really hard to stay away from anything.
But you know, it was just god you know, you go through the things you know there was you know, there was cocaine and this and and marijuana and everything and you know, and I ain't gonna lie it smoke marijuana to this day because I think that it kind of relaxed you let you do your thing and I was right better seems like when I'm when I'm gonna budge
isn't legal there yet.
But yeah, man, I tried everything. I jump into everything asked backwards feet first, and then try to figure out how to get to the bank and get out
here cuz you thought, yeah, you thought crystal meth might make you more efficient. It like writing music and stuff like that. But right, it actually was like, didn't help you it actually made things worse.
Oh, yeah, man, it, you know, it, it did for a minute, you know, you feel like, oh, man, I've got all this and I've got so much going on. But the more shit you get going on, the less you get finished. And, uh, you know, I just had to ride the I had to just ride it until I got to the point where, you know, everybody goes to the point where they get the edge. And, you know, if you go any further, there's two things left jail death, or you can, you know, get your shit together.
And, you know, I had a little girl so then I had more of a reason to get my shit together. And, you know, I felt like I jumped into my career, I wanted this and I wanted everything. I jumped into it. And then I got sideswiped, and then I got sidetracked. And then I just felt I wanted to get it back. And I've worked my ass off to get back to, to this point. And, uh, you know, I just had to, as far as what I wanted to do it, I kind of feel like I shot myself
in the foot. So I'm trying to bandage it up and limp through the rest.
Yeah, so this is interesting, because I know you did some smaller albums on the Paris records like the smoking Delta Voodoo and the backtracks and the deeper shade of gray, and all those but there was like a 13 year absence there. And I heard you talking about, you know, you had to do some side work and stuff to pay the bills. And you had to like actually paint houses and stuff like that, right?
Oh, man, I paint I at one time, you know, I did whatever. But, you know, sometimes right now, you know, when it gets hard times, I will, I'll go weld and I do a bunch of fabricated work for this. This company when I'm home, and I have nothing to do and domani you know, if you see a FedEx truck, or a Coca Cola truck, I've probably done something to it.
So do you ever get recognized as the singer of every mother's nightmare when you're doing that kind of work?
It's fun to Really? Yeah. Interesting. It's one thing man and I was dirty. And I was doing a little thing like this. And I was like, Man, I'm sorry. I just got a you know, I had like 10 minutes to get from where I was. was what I was doing to here. But you know, you got to do what you got to do. If you got to work a little bit on the side, yeah, love to do that. That's what you got to do. No, you sit home in a chair go God, I wish I would have done that. You're gonna miss it.
Right? So you kept the music going. And then this is cool in the in 2015. You did that grind the EP, and you had some really big guests on this album, or the EP, excuse me, Zach Meyers shinedown and Wayne Swinney of saliva. How did you know that? You know those guys since they were little kids, huh? And they used to get on stage with you.
I think. I think I was probably the first person to ever record Zach Myers. He's kind of my little studio and man, him and his dad, you know, I've gotten him. He'd get on stage with us. He was probably 12 maybe when I'm Eddie. And of course, you know, Wayne Sweeney. He was one of the other first people I met when I moved to Memphis and just the guy's incredible guitar player. Both of them guys are incredible. Sweeney is just a I don't know,
he's a freak of nature. He's just terribly, terribly good. And donate this comes to him. Natural you know, it's it's the same. You see him go, man, that guy makes me mad. He's incredible. And they did me big favors, you know, came in, scraped enough stuff together. When I did the grand thing. It was just five song EP. And I got that together and got them to play on it. And our buddy, Mr. Jim dandy, you know, he's a he's a legend
singer on Black Oak, Arkansas.
Yeah, he was in town and we've done a couple of shows that he lives here in Memphis and we hung out a little bit and you know, he came up the studio one night and I was doing that this song on the grind record. You know, and I just said, Man, hey, let's get Jim to do it. And, and we just got him going there. And everybody was trying to rally down this I said, Man, he's been doing this he sold out Madison Square Garden three times. He's been doing this since I was you know, little
kid. He's got it and I'm just letting go in there and just spit out stuff in a manner is incredibly No, the song was cool of them guys were cool for doing it. And my little five song EP, you know, that's what the 13 years we were down. We were not down with it, you know, music and that time went to a really rut of bad everything. You know, it was hard to keep deals, it was hard to do anything. And I had my little parish deal you know, they offered me a little deal and that's all I had. So I
went with that. And when I got done with that, I scraped enough money together and I did the little grande EP and I wanted to do it with with Justin rahmer because I love what he was doing and he had a little bit of a different age and you know, he played with 12 stones and you know a bunch of other great bands and he's great guitar player and he had a studio down here and he did me a solid buddy deal to on doing the five song and I got that done and the first couple of shows I played
I went to Houston and run into my buddy Larry, Larry petroff and he works for Canuck and he's come and see me play every time I've ever been in Texas since my first show there and he came up after the show we hung out and he got him a five song EP and the next morning after he heard it you know he called Bill Chavis from how where I'm at now and he me and Bill had been friends for a long time and he just said hey Chavis you heard what the nightmares are doing are you what rules do and within
like two days Chavis thing got in touch with me and he had a standing the record now and the final song and he dug it and he called me back because man we couldn't work together about eight years ago that goes mountain wide open he goes let's do a full record Let's finish this record and let's go let's get this back where it was and get you doing what you do and he pulled me out of the.... .... pulled me out of a bad spot.
Yeah, I can I can tell you getting a little emotional about that. So he really helped you out huh?
Yeah, he's my partner man. He Yeah, he's got my back on a lot of things in a day he pulled me out of a bad spot and he said let's finish this record. And he said you got more songs and I've got 200 songs I got I've got songs everywhere... I'll write you five tonight... that's all we need.
What was the what was the bad spot???
just go in and....just startwith that. Like I said I'd scraped up every dime every penny I could to do that record and asked every favor. I saw my friends you know, Zack and everybody they everybody done me solid and I didn't want to be bad now. What It'll be, where they didn't look bad and we'll make them in any kind of thing and, and just.. I'd almost pretty much gave up on what I'd been doing and what I started
out doing. And when Bill called who's like man, let's getting going, and he goes, he just said, Man, we're partners. 50-50 will do a goes, I got your back. Wow, you don't send me the songs. We'll go through it. And,I love the cat, man. He does so much for me and my guys and my band. When we went to do this record, I didn't let him hear one song until he came to the studio, and we were pretty much done. Coordinate every day
we go see me a song rule. Like, man, I can't that's goes... this record was, this something a little different? We'll get into that.
Yeah, let's Yeah, let's talk about the new album, resurrect the faithful. There's actually a 30 minute documentary called, here's the here's to the ones I watched. It's free on the brave words Facebook page. And you talked about how you know you didn't want to write the same album twice. So every album is going to sound different. So tell me about this one. Because first of all, what is the title refer to resurrect the faithful?
Well, you know, I was this, this song gunner had written this. The music for this are the pieces of music and whatnot, when we were, you know, in a writing session. You know, we were working through it and um, you know, Troy Fleming, my bass player, he's been with me a long time here. He was just kind of messing around at first and we started changing, you know, the little bit how the, how he had the song structured in
there. And and it was, it was making Gunnar mad a little bit I could tell we were just kind of working on him a little bit because it was his song. He was proud of it. And so then I jumped on board now, but now we got to change it, we got to change. So we changed it and it came out. The music was really cool. But what I was playing with gunner and messing around with the song became a very difficult thing for me to write and I couldn't get nothing for it. I went to studio and I was
listening to it. In my studio at my house, I was listening to it. Nothing melody wise, word wise, nothing was coming. You know, it was just like, every night I do it, it's like, That's awful. It's terrible as we're at we were in the studio when not tracking it. And I just the the music and the way it started. Everything was so cool. I just went out in the control room said Dude, it's not happening. You know? It's just the words are not coming. The field is not
jamming. And it was just, there was so much stuff I was trying to cram in here. So I went home. And me and my little boy were cooking macaroni and cheese and just you know, messing around in the kitchen and just talking and saying things and he said something. I said something and I started doing I said resurrected. Fado, huh. Ah, resurrect the faithful. That's pretty cool, you know. So I started humming that by the time I was doing macaroni cheese, I
didn't had a chorus going. I dropped out and I was like, sad you resurrect and say, Ah, I will not be. And I called him back. I say, Man, everybody's still down there. And he's like, yeah, so I'll be there in a minute. So give a kid macaroni cheese.
Wow. That's amazing to hear the inspiration was macaroni and cheese.
Right? Yeah, right. Yeah. And it's something my kids said it just sparked and hit me in the head. Oh, cool. I dropped one line out, it fell together. I told them I said give me three passes two or three passes. If we're not in the ballpark, or something's not workable, salvageable or whatever. Will cannon I'll go home and start working on something else. And he gave me three passes. And I run to there and and I, you know, kind of piece the course together enough where he get the
idea of it. And I come out of the control room. So where are we at man? And he said, we're recording. You don't in recorded the whole thing that night. And you know, the record before that night was we were calling it fray? And I call bill that and I said I think we're gonna change the name of the record. And he said, What do you change it to? And I said, What do you think about resurrect a fake one he's like, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I hear the song I should know.
And anyway, he he ended up flying to Memphis A couple of days later, we were produced them track him and everything. And when he heard the record, he came out and he was just like, you know, he goes, man, he had a the documentary crew were there the next day, and we started on that.
Yeah, so and then tell me about the first the single brief I heard this even before the whole album. came out, but it's a great song. And I saw the video to the videos got like 175,000 views on YouTube. So it's got
a lot of exposure. So I thank everybody for that. Because it jumped out, I was thinking, if we make 1000 views, I'll be like, yeah, at the end of the day, end of the day, we're 40. And then the next day, we're jumped up. And the fourth day, we were at 167. I was like, I was blown away. And I thank everybody for that. Because, you know, this, this business is about the fans, and that's what really matters. And if you think that it's not, you're way off.
Oh, definitely. Yeah, no. So the song it kind of was like an Alice Cooper vibe to it. Am I correct to
say that? Oh, yeah, man, everything is gonna be you know, that's one, one. The thing about writing this record, is I wanted to do I sit everybody down in the studio in here, and I was like, what I want to do is, I don't want to rehash another record, I don't want anybody to go, this sounds like the last record or this, you know, I would much rather somebody go, this don't sound like none of the records. And I'm like, you know, to me, you got involved, and you got to
push your boundaries. And you always got to listen to what's happening. You know, back in the day when grunge was coming in. Everybody was going I hate it. I don't own it now. But I was like, I watched it come in. And so I was like, This is strict music. This is cool. Allison chains. And and, you know, them bands that came out right there. Bouncing checks changed probably one of my favorite bands ever. So great. Growing up writing songs, all the bands that I loved, and what I loved about
them, that's what you do. And you write Yes, me you take little pieces, fields of terms of all this stuff, and then you make your part with it. But that's what I told him, I said, I want to do everything on this record. Even if something as little as the drum field going coming into a song or the intro, or the chorus passes, I started doing my courses, you know,
doing a lot of three lines. And then going back into verse and finishing the tags, and this this stuff different, you know, where it's not like, you know, the same cookie cutter, right? type song. And I just said I just want the drums, feels everything from drum feels, punches, songs, content, you know, I'm not worried about real scientists won't when you hear it, you know what's good, when you hear something good, it hits you in the gut, and you know, good from shit and says,
Yeah, well sounds great. And
we started writing that way. And we started writing breeze and I even you know, with the the first verse, there's no telephone introductions, you see, I wanted that to be different. I wanted it to be like, if you were sitting down in a forest somewhere and I was just, we're all in it with our you know, little Indian position, and you're, you know, smoking a bowl or whatever talking and I just wanted to that's where I wanted it to be this you know, talking to
somebody. And, and when the first course hit is, is it's almost like a such a breath. When I heard that out. The first thing I thought of is I got a buoy.
Yeah, no, it sounds great.
I was so I was scared to play it for the band. I'd been doing it here in my studio and singing it and doing all the little different passes on it. And I brought Troy and Alan bone in here. Secretly one day and and I played it for him and they were like, Dude, that that's where we need to go. And I dug it and so that was a weight off my shoulder. And that was probably the last song that we had written that I was trying to get into this studio down here
with Dave cow. He's a man he's the most crazy good producer you can ever meet and just the best guy but him and his partner, Matt McGann rebuilt you know supernova Memphis recording studio is right behind my my subdivision where I live a stroke of luck. And I went down there one night, there won't me Come and look at their studio and we were hanging out and, and I've been wanting to get in there and talk to Dave anyway.
So I went down there. And we were watching what they were doing and listening to what they were doing. And they finally just turned around said, Hey, man, you come here in your next record. He goes, it'll sound this big. This big, and it will cost this much. Nice. Okay.
Yeah, so we
breathe. I had almost finished in a we, we didn't we wanted to see how he was producer hatless. So we went a week down there, and we showed him breathe and we recorded it and it came out. You know, I was like, that's where I want to go on. You know, it's still Hmm. But it's got to be, you know, different. This a whole new world. Hmm. So yeah, I just threw it. threw it out there
when it came back. It stuck and I loved it and, and we just went from there and we went and recorded the record that that night, we said We're gonna be here finishing every song after that was just like, very organic and everything just kind of came, like, you know, we'd made all the right steps and did all the preparing and everything kind of, you know, there was a little hard parts and fights and stuff, but, you know, everything was a jail and then moving and, you know, it's good.
Yeah. So yeah, I could tell you you're really passionate about it's a great record. Now, I heard you say about touring, that you haven't been paid for touring in the last five years, but you just as long as you can pay your band, you're happy because you just love to make music.
Man, I haven't been paid, other than, what needs to be paid that for the band, pretty much the band covers itself when we're out on the road and stuff and Okay, and if I can, if I can make happen, if I come up with a little extra money or, or what ever more power to ya, but, as long as I can survive, and my kid don't go hungry we're good.
Yeah, well, I mean, like, cuz you've played some pretty big shows. Even recently. You have to play with Bret Michaels and warrant and who else I mean,
yeah, I mean, we've played we've played we kind of did you know we did maybe a dumb thing but you know, we bought we got tired of Renton at $700 you know every couple of weeks tour buses so we bought a tour bus and you know we pay for that and and all that kind of stuff and crew and driver and and band guys and whatever needs to be paid you know I don't care if if I make a couple bucks that's
great. Mainly I just want to get out and if you know I had a I had somebody already off this new record contacted me said man this song got me through so much man. And that's you know, that's kind of what can what I do this for manufacturing everything that I've lived through and I write about if it helps somebody out or you know or just makes them feel halfway worth of crap for a minute you know, that's I
did good. I did my job and absolutely happy long as I can write and get to get the demons off my chest and get them off my shoulders. Yeah, good.
Is it true you wrote a you because you guys cover like Skinner and Charlie Daniels sometimes in the set? Is it true? You wrote a country record called truckstop love
Oh, my ad really hot. Yeah, man. Me and my best friend. My best friend Craig chambers he uh he's been our tour manager and he started out just being you know, just won't guys went out and helped us but he ended up being our tour manager and just doing everything for us and me and him. We had this you know, everywhere we go on the road we stopped you know, you stop at truck stops on the on the road and that's what you kind of live vicariously through. Loves truck
stops and whatever. Yeah, but we started doing this thing right? Every time we're doing a big loves and they got hats and cowboy hats and just different thing and bolo Craig would come out and he'd have a different outfit. So we start doing the the me and Christmas crew calendar with Craig and it just, you know, cowboy hats Ratan horses or you know, bolos are just the worst outfit you can find and we started writing this record is called truck stop love and yeah, it's just a funny
country cat real country. Truck Stop sounding songs about stuff that happens at trust.
That sounds fun. Yes, funny. I hope that's released Sunday. Do you guys have any tour dates for every mother's nightmare lined up yet? I know that you know, it's kind of hard to tour the during the pandemic here but uh,
right.
Right now I know we had a we we've had a big pile and we had six overseas shows that canceled and you know, they pop back in they have canceling for so many months. And then when you get there, they're like, lads, we got to cancel it so yeah, I don't really know what I know. We got November 7, maybe Canada for sure. And then the rest is up there. up in there.
Okay, well, thanks so much for doing this. Yeah, I always like to end with a charity I don't bill told you is there a charity that you like to promote or want to throw a shout out to?
Yeah, man, I'll give you that. The whole idea behind the the documentary and stuff the name of the documentaries here's the ones Yeah, and there's a song on the record called Here's to the ones and when I was writing this record, when I would be somewhere welding or something or just I was listening to you know, just country what's happening on Country radio now and no country this nap but I was just listening to every song that
came on there. And I've met a couple of these guys, but every sound Come on the radio is like, Man, this song goes out to the guy that didn't make it and didn't come home. And this and that. And look here I come from a military family, Grandpa Father, uncles everybody. And I know exactly what they're saying. But I met a bunch of these guys on the road shows we played that went over there,
Afghanistan and come home. And you know, the hurt and you know people don't care and people call them this you know, their woman leaves on whatever you know just batch it happens are very watching our back and making sure that we're good and bad shit happens to them. So I wrote this song. Here's the ones here's the the ones that came back home, you know, and I celebrate both of them. But I met this kid in Texas war playing and he's the guy that really brought this home.
He lost his leg Mike or whatever.
Yeah, man. He's named Kevin Marty Mike because I found his leg and he just was the coolest kid. He had been hit, you know by what do you call it? A bomb, you know, a bomb? Sure. You know, we don't even think about he got hit by a bomb. hit in the head lost a leg. And when I talked to him, he was so cool. But you could tell in his eyes man that he had seen the real deal. And he just really affected me. You know, he was like, you know, he goes up man.
I appreciate you watching our back and he goes, man, nobody
cares. And I said well I care and I gave him pictures or whatever and hung out with him on his leg and he was just the coolest guy and I was just like, I want to do a song about all these guys that you know this guy that contacted me the other day he goes man soon as I went over to war he goes I went there three days and my girlfriend highschool girlfriend call wrote me and and ended our relationship and and this and I was like damn you know down you know I've heard so I wrote this song and I
tried to get it worked out finished worked out but you know all the proceeds off here's the ones I wanted to you know just donate it to the Wounded Warrior thing and wounded warrior whatever we can do for them guys right you know whatever you know because it you don't really think about it but the shit man you're doing right now you know there's somebody over there watch it out and making sure that we can do this absolutely yeah, I'm a defender
yeah
all right, I just I just appreciate it man just seeing somebody that you know that had to go through that and lose so much right I still want my stupid ass to sign his leg you know, I was like, man I already be hanging out one you know to sign my forehead.
Yeah,
you know? Absolutely the cool kid. Good deal.
Okay, well thanks so much Rick. Everybody check out the new album resurrect the faithful and your whole catalogs available on a I know if it's on Apple Music but I know it's on Spotify as listen to a whole bunch of stuff today. So
yeah, it's all out there. Yeah, I'm glad that the the newer stuff I get to you know the bad thing about all those records we did through the Paris years and stuff is money was so low that these records good I love it. I love the ground record with this is probably the best thing I've done in a very proud of it now. Thank you for talking to me about it.
Okay. Thank you so much, Rick. All right, well, by having so check out the new every mother's nightmare album, resurrect the faithful is the name. The cool thing is you can hear the whole album for free on Spotify and decide if you like it or not. I think it's great stuff. Rick is a nice guy. I love his passion for the music and I can tell he's just got a good heart. So make sure to follow Him and every mother's Nightmare on social media,
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