Paul Crosby (Saliva drummer)

Welcome to today's episode of the chuck shoe podcast. And if you have not done so yeah, make sure to hit that subscribe button so that you never miss an episode. Today we have on Paul Crosby, who was most known as the drummer of saliva. And with saliva, he had a bunch of songs and movies and TV on the radio and commercials they were nominated for a Grammy. They toured with Aerosmith, Aerosmith and kiss, they basically got he got to live out all his rock and roll

I am great man living the dream, you know, and uh, just staying afloat in these unprecedented times.

Yes. these uncertain times. That's what every commercial tells me. So yeah, nice. Well, yeah. So your story is kind of interesting. I learned a little bit about you. So your dad was in the Navy. And there was like some guy that he worked with it was in a reggae band. And that's what got you into music was reggae, which is kind of interesting.

Yeah, that's what got me into a into wanting to play music. And that guy was a drummer and he let me tap around on his drums. I hate to go to his to my dad's friends band practice. I would tap around on drums and play different instruments. I knew I wanted to play music then. And then I, we my parents adopted have an adopted brother and he knew how to play drums and I really looked up to him and he was always air drumming. So that's what I that's why I was like, Okay, now I know, I want to play

right. And so then you asked your parents for a drum set and like it took like three Christmases to get one because they kept like now we'll give you a keyboard. You're like, Okay, and then you got a guitar. And then finally they give you the drum because probably because of the noise, but your brother hanging on?

Yeah, well, my brother, my adopted brother didn't have a drum set when they adopted him. He was like, okay, so he didn't have the drums with him. But he was like, he was always air drumming and stuff. But yeah, it took me three Christmases. And then but the good news is I learned how to play piano guitar. Yeah. In the meantime,

so you can write songs and stuff on the guitar and the keyboard and such. Absolutely. Yeah. So we're for drumming influences you like Dave Lombardo from Slayer Tommy Lee from Motley Crue and Lars from Metallica, I think was master puppets the first album that really got you into rock. You weren't into rock before that, right?

Not Not really. I was into it. When I was a lot younger I was into like r&b and hip hop and, and all that good stuff. And then I, you know, started skateboarding a lot with my teenage friends. And then somebody popped it. We had the big jam box, you know, we always carry around to listen to skate music, and somebody popped in Master of Puppets. And I was like, hold the presses.

What is this? Yeah, right.

It came to the dark side at that point.

That's a great album. So you end up playing the drums, you're in a band, a local band called mother crush, and the drummer, quit and you audition, you got that gig. And then they played a lot of shows with saliva. But you ended up leaving that mother crush Brent band in your mid 20s. Because I think the woman you were dating at the time you're about to have a child and she said, Look, you don't have to quit music, but you can't like be in a band full time but you got to get a day

Well, he just had that. That it factor I don't know whatever it is, but he had he has that it factor in everything he would do in any project he worked with. Whether it be the band black bone, he was in before saliva, any of that stuff. It was just always seemed to instantly you know, have something you know, and no matter what he did, it was got a lot of attention immediately. He just asked that thing, you know,

because the band had kind of already built up a following right before they got signed, they had that the first album in 1987 just saliva that you didn't play on. But they had already kind of built up a following off of that, I think was just mostly demos that they recorded, right?

Yeah, they actually, they were obviously then they were just a local band getting started. And they went into a studio that was in Memphis at the time that was called rocking chair studios. That that studio had started its own indie label at the time, they signed a band called The $6 million band. It's just we're talking wailed school. So saliva went in there just to record

So before you got those offers, I mean, you guys were still working your day jobs. But you rehearsed five days a week. And then this one you had a baby too. I mean, you must have been a pretty busy guy at that time.

Yeah, I was. I was burning the candle at both ends. Yeah, we we rehearsed five days a week we all you know, we were kind of like had the mentality of if we really want this, we'll, we'll put everything we got into it. So I would get up at 530 in the morning, go run ductwork and attics all day doing heating and air. Get home from work, eat, grab a shower, go to band practice and be there till midnight, go home. lather, rinse, repeat. Wow.

And then you're doing shows on the weekends as well. Yeah. Wow. And you did that for like a couple years? Pretty much until so then when you guys get the major label offer? Is that where you could you can actually quit your job. Like they give you enough of a bonus or advance or whatever that you could just quit?

Yeah, we actually got you know, when we went out and did the first record every six seconds, the first major label record Yeah, not to LA, I still had my own heat in their business. And I had, you know, employees that worked for me. So when I went out there to record the record, I had my employees kind of running the show, you know, running the business. And then Oh, the band was out there for about two or two and a half

Wow, that's pretty ballsy. But also I mean, obviously it paid off. Like you took a couple risks here by joining the band and then quitting the job. So I mean, obviously it all paid off for you. Because that album I mean, it's so great. When Platinum produced by Bob Marley, who's done a bunch of great stuff and then your disease which was the first I think was that the first single that was nominated for

Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's a that's a big part of it. For sure. Believe it or not, though, when you whenever I look at royalty statements always actually makes the most money still to this day out of any of the songs but click like boons number two, but if you're out if I'm out and about and some people go are you in a band? Yeah, so I've uh,

when they play those songs like in a stadium for like a sporting event, do you guys get a royalty for that?

Yeah, absolutely.

Is that a big piece too? Or is it better to have a movie or TV or?

Well, I mean, it's kind of all about the same okay? Whenever a DJs or or any venues play even if it's played on like the digital jukebox, you get a royalty for that digital royalties. So

that's awesome. So then your second album back into the system that stands out is that like your you feel like that's the greatest record that you guys made? Just the band chemistry and the timing or the producer or? You just kind of happened to catch lightning in a bottle? What do you think it was about that record? That's so great.

Well, I always was like I said, that's our biggest hit.

Okay, numbers wise. Yeah, number two. Yeah.

But I think honestly, man, I think our epiphany record is every six seconds because we'd spent two years five days a week in a mini storage you know the roll up door man right? no air conditioning No, he blazed a trail and and we did that on our own with any no outside influence, no producer no nothing. Then obviously, you know, Island Records and our Rob Stevenson flew out seen us in our mini storage and was like yes, let's do this and then they

yeah, you got to write I think that's cool. You guys did a song with Nikki Sixx and James Michael both of 6am. But Nikki six, obviously, Molly crew, were you there for the writing session for that or did you get to

actually the story about that is is a Josie had went out to California on a break between records to a treatment facility. And that's where he met Nikki Sixx. Nikki Sixx. Oh,

okay.

Nikki Sixx was his sponsor, it was a place called promises out in the in LA. And they they connected instantly, you know, and then we were actually in the writing process for back into your system. Except for this time, we weren't in a little mini storage, we were in an actual proper band rehearsal room with air conditioning.

Nice.

We were out there writing a Bob marlette was out there, you know, helping us you know, get this thing together. And Josie said, Hey, man, Nikki called me last week and said that he had a song that he thinks would be perfect for us. And he mailed me a CD and I have it. So we all went down to my car. And we popped in the CD. We hadn't heard it, it was rest in pieces, the song and Bob's

it was pretty cool story. Yeah, that's really cool. So then that year, 2003. That's when you did the tour with kiss and Aerosmith, you say the is that still stand out to you is the best tour like the most memorable one?

Well, there's a lot of them that are memorable, but that's like probably the biggest, you know, that's like me, it's kiss and Aerosmith. You know, we got to hang out with those guys for two and a half months and tour with them. And I don't think it doesn't really get much bigger than that.

Right? I know. I'm trying to think of any other bands, I mean, maybe the Rolling Stones or something, or if they did a Led Zeppelin reunion or something on his scenario, you know, that's pretty crazy. It's an interesting that's like, obviously, you know, it's more about them. And then you guys were probably what the openers or something, but they could have probably picked anybody. But somebody must have been a fan of you or the manager like you guys or something. Right?

I actually have the inside scoop on that. Oh.

So

the other option was going to be Billy Idol, which is I'm also a huge fan of loving.

Yeah. How does guitarist on Steve Stevens? He's

great. Yeah, awesome, awesome. People, man. But back then, you know, we were the new younger band and Gene Simmons had never had no idea who saliva was, you know what I mean? And I guess he was the one that was kind of like making the final call on who's going to open the tour. And I guess he had mentioned to his son, Nick. Hey, there. It's it's either Billy Idol or this new band I've never heard of called saliva. And Nick was young at the time. He still is young. But I mean,

Oh, there you go. You saved you. That's awesome. So what memories Do you have of that tour? Is there anything that really stands out like crazy stories or, or anything you learn from I mean, these are legends like Gene Simmons just his like business mind this guy. This guy, hopefully learn something from that.

Well, one of the cool there's two cool things that really stand out to me one is, you know, I got to hang out with Peter Chris was on that tour.

The original

And he had his wife out on his bus and he had his niece. So I got to kind of you know, meet Peter Chris. And his niece was like kind of our age. So we all like hanging out like a big family and I would send messages over to him and he would send messages back and I was using these really ungodly big drumsticks back then. And I remember one day, his niece came over and handed me a pair of his sticks and they're like, tiny, and he said, she said, My uncle said, to tell you that you need

That's why did you have the big ones in the first place? Was it just it felt easier?

I was young and dumb. I guess I thought maybe you know, it made me hit harder. I hit hard anyway.

Okay.

Drums louder. But then I really you know, you live in you learned and I realized the sound guys in charge that he can just turn it up. Yeah,

that's smart. That's really good. So that was one thing. What was the other thing?

The last day of that tour the very last day because we we got to see meet Jean and Paul and then Tommy there was on guitar. If they're busy doing press from the time they get their makeup. I mean, they don't have a lot of hangout time. Sure. You get to hang out with the Aerosmith guys a lot. But so we didn't really see them an entirely whole bunch maybe like a catering or something

cool.

snuggled me with this big spike to dawn and I thought that was cool.

It's cool and stuff comes full circle like that. Were you a big Aerosmith and kiss fan?

Well,

I'm the youngest of five. My older brothers were diehard kids fan. Mine, like I said I wasn't really into rock when I was a lot younger, but I think it's mainly because my brothers were and like they just yeah, you know, wore me out with it.

Yeah, for sure. So the next album, the survival of the sickest. Josie said he kind of had to cool down on the girls and the partying and, and a focus on recording had that gotten kind of out of control over the last few years of your guys's tours and stuff. Well,

I mean, you know, we were all a lot younger than and it was phases, we would go we'd party and then we wouldn't and then somebody would try to ease up and then the other ones wouldn't you know, I mean, it's just just rock and roll stuff. But Josie always was the one that had that he could pull himself back. You know, I'm saying he always he always had that, that smarts about him. You know what I mean? He knew when to step up, step off and focus on on other things, you know?

Yeah, no, and then that's interesting. You guys did that song with the razor's edge had the three doors down singer Brad Arnold on that. Were you guys friends with him? You've done a lot of shows with those guys. Right?

Yeah, we've done a lot of tours with him. We were friends with him. He, you know, came out and sang that with Josie a few times to while we were on tour. That's cool.

Yeah, that's fun. And then the next album, that's funny, because I think I had I'm trying to remember I think I had either every six seconds and back into the system. I don't know if I had the survival of the sick asylum. But I remember the song for the next album, ladies and gentlemen, because it was in that ps3 commercial. That was huge. It's funny, because you guys probably got paid for that. But I feel like they helped you by selling that songs. I remember when I heard

It was in that ps3 deal. They gave us a buttload of money to use. It was like I want to say we licensed it to them for like 90 days so they could do whatever they wanted with it for 90 days. I do remember. This is how you know you've made it. I do remember any Walmart You went into because this is when the ps3 was just coming out. Yeah, the monitors in there. And that was just on loop in the

that's gotta be kind of surreal. I mean, you walk in and you look at people and say, That's me. That's me playing.

I would also do I would do the opposite. Okay. Like,

do people recognize it? I was like, that's me. Yeah. Do people recognize you? I mean, cuz you're not the frontman, you're the drummer. But you're still, you know, you're in the big band at the time at the time, where were you guys all kind of like recognized a lot or? Well,

I mean, obviously, you know how that politics of that works. We definitely weren't. But I mean, obviously, the singers are going to get the main focus down. But I did a lot of a, you know, a lot of the other guys. We were We were all but a lot of the other guys who come bust whalers, they, they, they like to be on the bus, not that they were any social or

making a lot of connections with the other bands that you toured with? and stuff as well?

Absolutely. I've got a lot of friends still to this day from other known bands by meeting them on tour and you know, hanging out and, and all that stuff. So

yeah, that's really, that's really cool. So you guys had a couple other albums before Josie left. But that last one before he leaves the under your skin? You got to work with producer Howard Benson. I am definitely a fan of his he's got guys worked with everyone from Chris Cornell, the Kelly Clarkson and Bon Jovi Santana. I mean, the list just goes on and on. Like, what was it like working with him, as opposed to like Bob Marley or the other producers, you guys have had?

I mean, it was, it was an amazing experience working with working with, you know, all the producers. He was actually working on a big Kelly Clarkson record while we were doing that record. So she was in Studio B. And while we were in a, you know, so huh. But the cool thing about Howard Benson is is as you know, you go in there and you see he's got the album cover from every band he's ever recorded. Yeah, every rock band he's ever recorded as you just same studio drum set that

Interesting. He and what if some drummers don't want to use that drum? Like he just makes everyone use it? Well,

I mean, I had the same mentality. I wanted to use my own set, right. It was kind of like, it was kind of like, just play this and let me know what you think then. Okay. Okay, now I get it. I mean, it's just, he's got that. It's just that he's got it dialed in. You know what I'm saying? Sure.

And it's good because you typically prefer a different drum set for studio as opposed to like concerts.

Yes, and no, some Woods some woods are better for our studio, and some aren't really made for really going on tour like so. You definitely want to Maple kit when you're on tour. It's okay. It's, it's more rigid. You know? Yeah,

right. Okay. So yeah.

I just want something that sounds killer.

I'm good with it. Yeah, no, I go. So yeah, so that was the last album before Josie left. And he left to pursue a Christian a solo career, did he? I don't. Did he ever release any music as a solo artist? I don't know if I've ever heard it.

I'm pretty sure he wrote a bunch of stuff. I think that that. I think that he, at some point, was interested in doing that. I'm not sure. You know, how much of that came to fruition. He's definitely a you know, a Christian and he's definitely a very God fearing. I talked to his wife all the time on on Facebook. We're all we're friends on Facebook. And you know, we keep up with each other and all that stuff. He's doing

but he had a you guys had his blessing to continue on a saliva with a new singer then.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was, you know, he made the The cool thing about that is, you know, he didn't just up and quit one day we had we, I think we had like two months worth of shows left on the books and, and he let us know in advance. Hey, guys, I'm gonna finish out you know, these shows that we have and then after that, I'm leaving. Okay. It was pretty cool. You know, very amicable you know, no hard feelings. And, you know,

right and then is there there's rumors that are he's talking about coming back for the the 20th anniversary of "Every Six Seconds." I don't know if it was a for a tour or new album or both. Is there any updates? I know that if something was gonna happen, then obviously, you know, the pandemic hits. So a lot of shows got canceled. Is there still making plans to get back with him for an album or tour?

I mean, honestly, that is a that is completely his decision. I'm not sure where his head's at. Because the pandemic You know, there was talk of all that and then the pandemic put the brakes on it and, and, and obviously, we're still dealing with, remnants of the pandemic, so I'm not sure what's gonna play out everything? All I can say is that all of that has been put on hold, at least for now.

So everything's just kind of froze. So

everything clears up and then maybe we'll re-visit it...

but you guys aren't writing music or anything like we're not together anyways. No, no, right. Okay. Well, so yeah, you had a couple other albums with the singer, Bobby. And this is interesting. So in 2016, you guys did this big tour, "Make America Rock Again." And it was like so many good bands like Trapt and POD and Puddle of Mudd... but Trapt. - I gotta just ask you about this. You can say no comment if you want. But I don't know if you keep up with the

The other three guys in the band are amazing dudes, and they don't share his views.

Okay.

I'm not one to trash talk anybody, but obviously... I think he's got some issues he might need some help with. The other guys in the band are amazing. I can tell you that. I just want everybody to know that the other three guys in the band do not share his views. So I do see that - all the stuff he was posting was from the Trapt page, which I think is unfortunate, because it gives the impression that Trapt

Absolutely.

Whether the rest of us agree with those views or not. I don't agree with any of those views that he has. But it's his decision. You know, I'm saying?

Right. No, I yeah, maybe you're right. I don't know why he posted it from the band page. Because Yeah, you're right. There's three other people in the band. So if they don't have those views, they could get lumped into that.

Yeah. And that's unfortunately, what I think has happened. But those guys are just complete sweethearts, man, the other the other guys in

the band. That's too bad to hear that Well. So another album you guys did with Bobby 10 lives in 2018. I think that's your that's your latest album, right? Yeah, yeah, that one cut. I don't know if you saw the roof summer reviews on that were like really good, though. I got a blabber mouth said that. It was quite quite possibly the band's most energetic and catchy offering yet.

Very good record, man. Very proud of that. Yeah, I mean, it's a good record. And I'm proud of the guys for that one. For sure.

Yeah. Well, God, I hope that you guys can make a new album, whether it's with Josie or Bobby or whatever, you guys decide, or maybe a combination of both or something or I don't know, but it'd be nice to have new music or I'm sure you want to make new stuff, right?

Of course, man. That's what that's what we do as artists and you know, is make new stuff as of right now. We're gonna just keep trudging along and and doing what we do and let the future kind of dictate itself. You know? Yeah,

absolutely. So tell me about your managing bands. Now. You're, you know, you've you said that like bands kind of exist off the touring in the merchandise right now. And I think also what we talked about earlier with the TV and commercials and stuff like that. But so you're you've taken some band bands on your wing, what are the bands that you've taken under?

Well, I've been doing I've been managing bands for about three years now. I was with another company up until recently, I went back I started my own management company called Paul Crosby management. Then I partnered up with another company for the last couple years but I just recently went back on my own back to Paul Crosby management.

So it's not for three four management anymore. Is that different?

No longer affiliated with that company? Okay. Um, but um, but what are the bands that I I only have a few bands right now because I took the bands that I you know, brought to the table with me, okay. And the bands I'm really excited about and pumping hard right now I've been managing for this is my third year with them called silent theory. Okay. Their video for their single fragile minds just past 12 point 5 million views on YouTube. So that's pretty impressive.

Yeah, nice.

To Danny Wimmer festival, incarceration, that's an APR starting to get a lot of good things happening for them. And then I have a couple of bands that I also have my own record label called Pat group records right I saw that so I am a I have a couple of bands that I've been working with that we're about to release on my label and really get them going I'm more into you know, helping up and coming bands then I'm not really out to look to try to like manage big giant national

That's so cool. I love that so tell me more about silent theory. Like is it sound I don't think I've heard that one is it is it kind of sound like saliva or what kind of music is it?

It's and I like to just say just Just rock and roll, man. You know what I mean? Like, not really want to lump a bunch of genres and stuff, but I wouldn't say they sound like saliva but they're good rocket and anybody watching this should go just YouTube silo.

I definitely will right after this. Yeah, so check it out. Sure yeah, for sure. What is this? What's the hardest thing about managing bands? Like are you kind of like a babysitter for these bands? Or like what role do you play like getting merchandising? are you setting up tour dates, I'm gonna press for the band, all that stuff or

I do press I do radio, I set up interviews for the bands, get them album write ups and get them in webzines. I get them, help them get gear endorsements, submit them to festivals, get I get them on national tours, you know, when the up when touring was happening, I was really good at that. But yeah, it's kind of a little harder until it starts again later this year. I just do everything I can as far as to just try to get to but just to get them out there and get get

Okay, do you do like creative stuff, like you tell them to, like, look a certain way or to act a certain way in interviews or to you know, like, help with the logos and things like that? Or do you or, you know, creative stuff?

I do I do a little coaching if, if if either a asked me to or be I say, Hey, I like your guys's band, but your image, we need to we need to do a little work on that. You know, I mean, I'll give it I'll give advice when it's necessary. or whenever they asked me but, but a lot of the bands I work with, if they're writing new songs, they'll send me over the demos and go, Hey, tell us what you think. Here's four new songs. And I'll be like Psalm one and song two. Cool. You know what I

no, that's really cool. And then so what do you take, like, what is the managers things that 10% or 15, or 20 are somewhere in the middle, or what

it's usually between 15 and 20%? Oh, I do, what I do for my bands is I will, for do like a yearly agreement or yearly contract with them. Okay, and I do a small flat fee for a year. And well, now I have my own label, too. But some bands want me to shop to the bigger labels and

Okay. Nice. All right. Sounds like you got it all worked out then. So what do you like better managing bands are playing drums.

A little bit of both, but I liked I liked the fact that, you know, this is my day job managing bands. Okay. But I like the fact that even at that even I'm sitting at a desk for 810 hours a day, it's still music related. I'm still doing music. Yeah, it was kind of the same way. You know what I mean?

Also, you're working eight to 10 hours doing the management stuff. Mm hmm.

Yeah, Monday through Friday, man, if I'm not on the road, even if I am on the road, but if I'm on the road, I'm at my desk. If I'm at home, I'm at my desk Monday through Friday, full full time, like day job. And then if I'm on the road, I take my laptop and you know, I do my thing. And

so what's more lucrative playing the drums and saliva or managing the bands? Or is it kind of comparable or

both combined? together? It's pretty lucrative.

You There you go. Yeah, I guess so. Wow. That's pretty cool. So then how do you how do you reach out to these bands and say, hey, I want to be your manager? Or do they send you demos and say we want you to manage? Or is it go both ways.

It goes both ways. I'll go on, like ReverbNation and, and just dig all through, you know, like, the new bands and sign bands and see if I see something I've gotten bands that way, where I'm like, wow, this band is cool, blah, blah, reach out to them. But then at the same time, I get submissions sometimes, you know, from bands that are like, hey, and then sometimes I'll just be on Facebook and there'll be a sponsored ad from a band, you know what I mean? And check them

okay, that's cool. Is there anybody out there that you're like trying to get to manage that has like turned you down or that you that you'd really love to manage that already has a manager or something?

I mean, like I said, Man, if it's if it's an up and coming band, and I feel they're ready Good I would like to manage them I don't really have I guess just anyone in particular. Yeah.

Okay. So when you got the call you got the call today the drummer of saliva Did you ever get any other calls throughout the years to have big bands that wanted or big name musicians that wanted you to join their band or work with work with them on a project or something?

Maybe like side project stuff but but the thing is, is I was always so dedicated to saliva that if I would, I would probably have turned it down and and I think that probably would have happened a lot more except for it was very obvious that I was full bore saliva, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I'm for anything else. But I am right now. I have a new a new band together with my two sons called blood ties. We're actually recording our first record now. And it will definitely be released sometime

cool. So your sons, they play singing guitar, or? Yeah, both of my sons can play multiple instruments, but

my oldest son is is singing and playing guitar. My other son also is singing and doing harmonies and sometimes he's singing the verses. And he does. he's a he's like a EDM DJ. So he knows like all the beats for I mean, I do the drums but then we're there's a lot of loops and stuff in there. And he knows all those. Okay,

I'll have to check that out. When that comes out too. Cool. Have you guys yeah, I wonder I always wonder this I never asked to ban this but it has saliva. Have you guys ever done like private shows like for like super rich guys and, or anything like that? Like I was I see that on TV sometimes where they have the bands come in for like these corporate events? Is that something that happens a lot? Or is that kind of rare?

I mean, I don't really really call that when we would do stuff like that. It was always for like Budweiser, like a private event. Or having fun versus like just a rich dude. Right? If there's any really rich people out there listening

hit us up.

Would you charge the same as just a regular gig fee? Or would you charge more or less

or? I mean, I don't know I would bet the kind of the way how we do things is people make offers and there you go.

That makes sense. So some of the offers that you did say yes to like you do you guys have done a lot of shows with puddle of mud I've noticed Are you just like best friends with them or why like I look into your tour history I'm like oh my god they do like they do so many shows a puddle of mud.

We've been friends with we're friends with all the guys but we've been friends with West since actually when we when we went to Hollywood to record every six seconds. They the label put us up at this this place in Burbank called the oak woods and that's where like a lot of people like even celebrities that don't live in LA that they're they're like doing a movie part or recording

Okay, and so do we know the singer is for those shows? Is it Josie or Bobby?

Right now? It's Bobby. Okay. You know, I'm saying it. And you know, like I said, Josie thing. It's It's It's all that's all his call.

It seems like cool, though. Yeah, it seems cool. Like Bobby's, like supportive, though. From what I've heard. He's like, yeah, I mean, if you guys want to get back with Josie, like, that's awesome for like, he seems like okay, he doesn't seem like he's gonna hold a grudge or anything.

Bobby's a true a true music fan. You know what I mean? So that's cool. But yeah, like I said, as of right now, we're just continuing on doing what we do with this lineup, and that's, we're just gonna do that and see what happens in the future. Yeah.

You know, you guys toured with Nickelback. So I gotta ask you about that. Why? Why do so many people hate Nickelback? Why are they the butt of so many jokes? Is it because they're Canadian? What the story is there?

I think it's because they're so successful. I personally love Nickelback. And I'll admit that right here. That's an amazing songwriter. I mean, the proof is out there. It's like envy successes, envy, you know what I mean? And people hate on what they want. If somebody else gets with something they want they hate on them. It's just I actually can't wrap my mind around why there's so much hate for them because they're amazing guys and amazing songwriters. And you know,

They have a lot of hits. I mean, I think a lot of people probably would be surprised that they like a lot of songs that they write might not even know they're Nickelback because there's so many songs they do. They're on the radio and stuff.

Absolutely, man. Yeah, songwriter. That's really cool.

So what else are you are you still your big Fisher guy, right? a fisherman guy? Are you doing a lot of fishing?

I love fishing man. We actually just did a show in Alaska a few months back and we we got to go like we went like four days early. And the promoter took us on a river salmon fishing trip. And then the next day a deep sea Alaskan fishing trip. And it was awesome, man.

I need to I need to get into the thick. I think when I was I was talking to my girlfriend about this the other day when I was a kid. My dad would take me fishing. I just didn't have the patience. But now that I'm older and like, you know, you also you can drink beer and stuff when you're an adult. And so the difference

relaxing setting water in general. Yeah. He should just be me. Good. But yeah, and I live in like, right on the water. We have a giant private fishing pier man. You're in.

You're in Memphis, right? Are you still in Memphis?

I moved. I'm in Houston. Oh, you're in Houston. Oh, two year in 2009. Okay. Yeah. And you like, from Memphis and I lived in Memphis until 2009. I love it.

Did you know that? Like some of those Memphis guys like some of those other bands. I haven't read like Tora, Tora and every mother's nightmare. And those guys.

Yeah, Memphis is a big little town, you know. And so you know, you pretty much know the whole scene for sure. That's cool. Very family orientated music circle there.

Okay, very nice. Well, thank you so much for doing this interview. I really appreciate I do like to end with a charity if there's some charity that you work with, or you want to give a shout out to at this point.

I am always 100% about the kids. So I always say St. Jude's Hospital in Memphis, man. I mean, you help families, terminally kids that could be terminally ill kids with cancer. And you go there and they completely take care of the families. They put them up in like an apartment. No, they don't charge any bill. It's all free to help save kids lives. So I mean, to me, there's no better. That's great.

Yeah, I've had a lot of people on here given them a shout out. So that's a great one that people can throw a few bucks. Otherwise, check out your new management Paul Crosby management and follow saliva and stuff on social media. I don't think you're not on Instagram or anything like that. or Twitter. I have

a private Instagram. I just haven't really used it in forever, man. Okay,

so better to just go to your

website. facebook.com slash Paul Crosby manage. Okay. Perfect. anybody's interested in working with me hit me up.

Yeah, we'll check out that band. What was an iron forgotten theory? Yes, sounds sir. Okay, we'll check that out, too. Thanks so much, Paul. Appreciate it. Thanks, buddy. All right. Bye. So Paul Crosby drummer for saliva. Make sure to follow Paul Crosby management on Facebook to keep up with his managing career. Follow his band's sound theory he manages and obviously false saliva. He plays the drums in you know, I've never seen so live alive, but I would definitely go if they came here.