Welcome to the show the Chuck Shute podcast. I'm back, back again, doing a lot of interviews lately been busy. So hopefully you guys are enjoying these episodes, I'm enjoying doing the interviews. Today I got Marcus Scott. Third time's the charm for Mark, he has been on my show couple times before we had a good time, check out those other episodes. If you haven't listened to those before. I think it's episode three. And then somewhere in the middle, I interviewed him a second time. You could hear his whole life story everything you know from going in being in the band of a trickster, everything he's done. But today, we mostly talk about what's going on with trickster or guess the lack of what's going on, since nothing's really happening without so we tried to get to the bottom of it, try to solve the problems. I don't know if we solved any problems. I don't know, hopefully didn't make it worse. I definitely tried to try to figure out what is the issue and how we can move forward for everybody. And again, I'd love to help out in any way that I can mediate issues with the band if that's something that they'd be interested in. But you know, it's fun talking with him and catching up and hopefully something will come of this and I just love to see tricks or get back together. So as I'm sure a lot of people would, but if not, you know, maybe Mark can do some other projects. And that's exciting, too. So, enjoy this interview with Marcus Scott. Marcus Scott, welcome back to the show. Third time's a charm. So how you doing? Chuck? Good, great. Yeah. Sunshine, man. It's beautiful out here. Oh, yeah. It's nice. It's hot out. I was just in the pool. It's beautiful.
Come on. It's cool today. Yeah, like 102.
Yeah, that's perfect swimming weather. I'll tell you that.
Yeah, I'm gonna go for a swim after this.
Oh, perfect. So So last week, I talked to you, you know, you had your new song with you have dedicated that to a woman? Did she find out that the song was about her? I thought I saw a picture you were the girl on Facebook. So was that her? Or was this
the individual I wrote it for I really have ceased contact with so I really can't offer any feedback, as far as that's concerned. But one would venture to speculate you started. So okay, we'll leave it at that. It's, you know, there's no cut and dry, easy way to explain the story. And I guess every relationship has its pitfalls. But it's in the past now and moving forward. You know, we'll, we'll just take things as it goes.
Yeah. So and then you release the new song. The the key was like a but what do you call it power country version of Give it to me? Good.
That is correct. Yeah. 30th anniversary, celebrating the release of our first record. Our number one MTV had given to me good. Didn't seem like anybody else did anything. So I said, shoot, I think this is perfect. Why not? And I always saw it as somewhat of a country tune. And I said, Well, you know what, I was doing it, I'm gonna do something. And I was first thing that came to mind. I love the song. The opportunity, as far as the celebration of the anniversary, couldn't be more perfect. And I tried to put a different kick in the butt on it. So I really hope people like it.
Yeah, no, it's good. Who played guitar on it? It was because there's some soloing on it without you know,
I'm being honest with you, buddy. You know, I I'll take credit for a lot. But playing guitar is something I will not take credit for. Mr. Lu. pika hdaci. He's a good buddy of mine in the Phoenix area. I have a studio and we have some fun together, man. He helped me out a bunch. In particular, when it comes to guitar. I couldn't play like that. Not at all. No way. So Luke did a real fine job on that big time. He'll be it'll be involve me moving forward in our live performance to
cool. Very, very cool. So you know, I've been watching some interviews with you recently. And I heard you talking about a restaurant that you own. I didn't know that you under rent. Was that here in Arizona? Was that back in New Jersey? Oh,
no, no, back in New York, Orange County, New York. Okay, just outside of Warwick, New York, where I where I used to live. And yeah, had it for about six years. And I'll tell you what, it was kind of cool. For a while after trickster, I was doing some consulting and marketing with amusement parks and things like that work for the Dave and Busters Corporation. And I did very well for about three years. And the problem is when you do well do well do they expect you to do better the next time around? So after you do well for three years, I'm like, my God, I see what I gotta do to make my bonus on year four, is that if I got to work that hard, I'm gonna find my own place. And that's exactly what I do know fully, you know, I bought a place and it was really special. You know, I have no culinary experience whatsoever, really, except for eating. But I know how to walk into a place that has four walls. I can understand some basic principles about business no matter what it is. And there's really only five ways of generating revenue. And this is really important. Number one, you got to learn to expand a client base, you got to increase the frequency which people visit the establishment or utilize your product or service. You got to increase the drop every time they come in, got to streamline your operations to make sure you can maximize potential revenue, and the profit sets. And number five, and this one's really important. Again, I don't care if you own a restaurant want to be a rock star, or just a garbage man, you got to have an X Factor. The first rule of marketing is determining your place within the marketplace. And what is your unique selling proposition? Your USP? What makes you so special? What makes Bon Jovi different from Def Leppard? And why do they each have a place within the marketplace? Yeah, so I think when you really get in tune with what you your business is all about what you know, I hate to sound too business oriented, but it's kind of important and relates to why we're talking today. Yeah. When you really identify what those reasons are, why people like you and your business, or you know, your band will make your band special. I think if you fail to capitalize on that, or understand what that is, you are seriously operating at a deficiency without question. Mm hmm.
So yeah, so let's talk about that's, that's interesting. So yeah, I mean, I can tell you're very business minded guy, for sure. So is that what's going on with the within the band with tricks? Or is it just differences in how they view it as because it really is a business, I mean, the band is a business and you guys viewing it differently?
You know, I hate to say that, and I'll be honest with you, I'm particularly even starting off. As a younger guy, I didn't want to work very hard to be I couldn't be any more honest with that. I didn't want to be the leader, I did not want to assume the role of, you know, taking charge of what was going on. As far as the business and stuff like that I wanted to rock and roll have fun, kick butt and lungs was taken care of I really didn't really worry about very much. You know, we had great management, everybody had his head on straight. So collectively, you know, we make decent decisions. But I guess the thing that bothered me most, when I saw that there were some areas lacking as far as, you know, making right choices, or any choices for that matter, coming up with a plan. You know, it was kind of funny when we put this thing back together, like, Oh, you know, we'll just put it out to see what happens. And and that was cool. Whatever. Yeah. And as time went on, yeah, I mean, we did very well, yeah, we kind of stepped in shit. And it was the second time in our lives, that we had this opportunity to do something so amazing. You know, it truly was a second gift from God. That's something very special. So the idea of squandering it or screwing up the second time around, I felt that was somewhat unacceptable, you know, and if we're going to be a certain level of national, international, you know, act, whether you're having fun or not, I believe there's a certain way that ought to be presented. And if you screw it, that you cause harm to everybody, you know, you hurt the fans, the band, it wasn't just directed towards me, it was the band as a whole, where, you know, certain decisions are made right or wrong, it affects everybody. And sometimes I think people fail to realize that, and they fail to see what the potential truly is for everyone. So you know, I could be lacks, and you see one thing to thing I find when you see a standard operating procedure of how things are going, and it really is detrimental to everyone. Someone's got to speak up, someone has to at least attempt to do something. And if nobody really wants to get on board with the idea, well, that's where you really start to have a train wreck. And I think that's kind of what happened with us.
Well, yeah, so you, you've mentioned this before, that you guys had really good management back in the early 90s. And, you know, they're the ones that the management's the one that, you know, steers you into the direction of the blood, sweat and beers tear, which was awesome to her instead of opening for David Lee Roth, which also could have been cool, but that was a better decision to do blood, sweat and beers. So and you guys just not have management at this time? Are you just managing yourselves?
We do not have management when we put it back together. We did not have management we had an agent agent did well, the people always have to understand what the respective jobs of a manager versus an agent might be agents, one that just contracts you for employment to get you gigs, okay, no, and I mean, the manager is basically like a fifth Beatle, he's, you know, part of the team. It is, it is in everyone's best interest, to create a strong brand, to have longevity, to play more shows to make more money per show. Other areas of opportunity. At the end of the day, you want the band to flourish, and you want it to last throughout the ages that's in everybody's best interest. You know, now whether you have the desire to do that, or not it you know that that that's a different story. But if a manager is going to be on board, a good one guide you to increase the things I've mentioned, you know, to At the end of the day, make a strong brand, a lifelong band. And that's something beautiful, you know, and there's different ways that I guess managers approach doing that. But the idea of not having someone with that outside perspective, I mean, let's put it this way. You know, Bon Jovi has a manager, yes, has a manager, they're veterans of the world of any music genre, they typically have a manager, and there's a darn good reason why, you know what I mean? It's not that, oh, we know better. But maybe, you know, some people look at it differently. And I think, you know, particularly if you're gonna have an international act, that should be you know, doing a better than minimum wage job. You know, you need management.
Yeah. So I think that's really important. So you think that you guys should have a manager and then send me some of your other bandmates do not want a manager just because they take another piece of the pie, or
that pretty much is it? I mean, that might be a little quick cut and dry. But that's a basic concept. Some people fail to see the need for one, or because they don't consider tricks to be a priority that we really shouldn't make extra expenditures, where I think other people look at it differently in the sense that it's not just making an expenditure, one right move where the manager can exponentially help you generate revenue, further, more so than you would do on your own. So again, or let's put it another way, if maybe we did have a manager tricks there might be together today. So there's, there's, there's, you know, many different ways of looking at it. At the end of the day, there has to be a desire amongst everyone to have a unified vision of where we're gonna go with this thing. You want to just play a few weekends a year? You know, that's great, but I don't I think that's the biggest question that needs to be answered at this point. Mm hmm.
Yeah. So why don't you said you have different ideologies, with the band? So what is what is your dream scenario? Like you want to play 50 shows a year or 100? Or what? What would be your dream scenario? If you
put a number on it, man, I mean, you know what it is? First off, when you're dealing with other people, there's always some kind of, I don't say, negotiation, but you know, what I want? If it's over here, and this guy wants over here, we're gonna meet around here, you know, yeah, the idea is to come to an agreement with everybody that everybody's in tune with and dig in, you know what I mean? So yeah, if I, if I wanted to go and play 7000 shows a year, and this guy wanted to do for all right, so we'll play around, you know, 2500. But all kidding aside, you know, the idea, ideally, is to be happy, you know, and at what point would everybody be happy? So, you know, and but I mean, I don't want to get a bus and go out for three months, or clip or whatever. No, that's not my scenario. The one thing I do say, though, the way I look at it, at least on my calendar, there's 52 weekends out of a year, that's 52 opportunities to go out one hell of a goddamn party every week. Now, I'm not saying we do that. But if we're playing an average of 16 shows a year, I'd say there's a variable between what is possible, and what the hell we're doing. So I think we need to exercise that variable a little bit harder, more in our favor. So I think that's got to be part of the discussion. So
if you just did weekend's could you do? Would that be like one show a weekend? Or could you do two or could even do three, you could do a Friday, Saturday night, and a Sunday during the day,
what you could do, what you should do and want to do can be three different things. Sure. All I'm saying that there's opportunities to play. Do we have to exercise all of them? Absolutely not. You want to hit here's, here's an ideal scenario where what my dream scenario might be? I go, man, how about every other week two shows?
Okay, that sounds you
know, three weeks, three shows, you know, plan it out in advance. So if I'm landing in Chicago, I can run over here to bumfuck, Illinois, and then right over there as Indiana, so we could do three shows in that house. In two weeks, fellas, bye. Bye. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, idea playing three shows in a 14 day period, or even a three week period. Come on, man. You know what I'm saying? And I think if it's done strategic now, that's ideal. I'm saying works that way all the time. But could it work that way? Yeah. Yeah, could particularly you plan things in advance and do it right. At the end of the day, it takes a desire, a focused vision amongst everyone. And even when you haven't focused, it can be a challenge. Absolutely. But buddy, our first two are out. We did 13 months 321 shows pal. I'm not looking to do that. But you're telling me We couldn't play five times a month, four times a month, come up with a world market to play to between Europe, Japan, the Far East, frickin Yugoslavia. You know, the Czech Republic. They mean just places to go. So you're not dimensioned you know, some of the numbers make a lot more sense when you go overseas as well.
Sure. So you're in for more shows is a is PT
shows but smarter shows. You know, I think sometimes people were eager just to grab gigs for the sake of putting a gig on the run, because it was more than they were gonna make back home at the restaurant in New Jersey. You know, I think that you know, that that you have to remove that from the question. We're dealing with an international brand here, you tarnish that it's not going to be an international brand anymore. That's really sad. You know, so, you know, when I say management, it's someone to overview from an outside perspective, the right moves to make for your business, and I hate to sound so business mind. I mean, honestly, I like going out there kicking the shit out of the gyms and having a great fucking time. But you know what, if I'm partying all day, the business gonna slip, somebody's got to be on top of the thing, and I didn't want to be, but I certainly do not want this brand to be tarnished. I do not want this international brand to fall to pieces. You know, this is the thing I value most in life. And I love doing it with these guys. But when they didn't want to show up for a meeting, well, they can go fuck themselves.
Yeah. So is that what they didn't show for a meeting? You guys had a meeting scheduled
a meeting. I mean, there's been, you know, it's really weird. When you see us in interviews and stuff like that, and you see the laughing and the teasing and busting balls and have fun. That is 100% real. But one part you don't see is when someone says, hey, let's sit down and have a business talk. That ain't the demeanor is the kind of thing where people are leaving the room. You know what I mean? So it's kind of cool, in one sense that when we have fun, yeah, it's fucking genuine, it's great. We kick ass. And that's, I think that's the X Factor of this band, that we are real, you know, we were the kids that were stupid enough to put a rock band again this year, we're gonna,
we're gonna make it big man. And you know what? You fucking kick in the ass.
You know, but when it came time to be responsible, and really start making collective choices, and you know what everybody wants to do? Have you been having that discussion? We haven't had that discussion for 13 years. So I think that's really interesting, you know, and it's sad, particularly because there's so much opportunity. And I think some people fail to see that or they don't care. Or they have other projects in mind that they prioritize, and you know, what if they want to, if somebody else wants to prioritize something else, that's America, that's life, you have the right to do that. But maybe tell your buddies about it, you know? Yeah. So
Well, let's talk about Pete. So So Pete has said, or at least they say that Pete said that he can't do much with Trixter, because he has a day job. And you said, No, I don't think that's 100% accurate. So can he still do the weekends?
Well he has a day job so I don't know how that affects playing at night, but you know, I'll let you put the pieces together on that. Peter, Pete's the one that got me out to Arizona. Yeah, no, he and I were always very close. We're getting very close to this day, I slept at his house last week. In a separate bed. But I mean, all kidding aside, I think no matter what the situation is, if there is a desire to do something, the possibility exists to make something happen. I mean, heck, he's done it in the past, you know, but I think that desire tends to fade on a certain problem precipitates or something like that. You see what I'm saying?
So what are the what is the problem? It's not Pete. So Pete's in is what you're saying?
He could be in, in the right situation. And I believe that holds true for each one of the members. Okay. But if we don't even have a discussion as to what those parameters might be, or how it's going to operate, then no, we're not going to make any movement on it at all, there won't be any forward progression.
Is there certain gigs that you've turned down, because you feel like it's gonna tarnish the brand, as you say?
Funny, you bring that up. I'll offer some different schools of thought of how people approach let's say, being in a rock and roll band. There are some people that are of the opinion that all things are tough ( let's put COVID out of the conversation just for a moment)
What did you do to piss PJ and Steve off? Because Steve said, Go fuck yourself from the bottom of my heart. PJ said you're like a dog off the leash like I don't even was there something that did I miss an interview? Or was this behind the scenes stuff?
No. You know, what's funny? The I know what they're referring to maybe one day we'll talk about that specifically. But things have been brewing for mind you I haven't talked to them or you know, really addressed anything with them for three years. I think it's been a little over three years now. So the idea that it's just coming out now. It's like I find that interesting. So
and we're back. It's like we had a commercial. Ah, sorry. All right.
I like it hot. I guess the phone doesn't.
Sorry. No, it looks more like a genie now. Looks good.
All right. You're talking about what pissed them off so much.
Yeah. So what you know you what, you know what, what pissed them off? You don't want to tell me?
Well, sorry that it's just like, there was nothing recent at all. I don't understand why they didn't talk about something, you know, four years ago, three years ago when something might have happened. But now they're talking about it. I haven't spoken to them in like three years. I find that kind of interesting. You know, and I'll be honest, I think we're really just angry at each other. We never had a problem in the band. We never had a problem with members being angry at each other for if we did, it lasted for a good 10 minutes. You know what I mean? I mean, brothers can fight, you know, and we, you know, have arguments, but to have a long standing something. You know, that's almost equivalent to like my Jewish grandmother, and, you know, oh, my god, you're funny story. I had a grandmother lived down in Sarasota for a while she was friends with Paul Simon's mother. So I'm like, well, no way. So one day, I go down to Florida. See, Grandma said, Hey, Grandma, I want to meet up Paul Simon's mom, just, I'm not talking to her and kind of fight and they don't talk any longer. Okay, so kind of funny the dynamics of people, you know, and how it can work. But, you know, I guess that's what everybody at the end of the day, you know, it's got to, it comes down to a desire, no matter what any problem anybody has with anybody. If there's a desire to move forward and do something together, then that's what's got to prevail. And we'll see what happens.
Well, yeah, I mean, I hope that something happens. It sounds like you guys need some sort of third party. Whether that be manager or someone like myself, I was a counselor for 17 years. I'm happy to mediate any issues you guys have I offer that to PJ as well. Yeah, so I got some qualifications. But I mean, anyone, somebody else that you guys all trust? I don't know. But I feel like there's got to be some sort of third party that needs, if that's what you guys so desire. I mean, it sounds like maybe the other members of the band are just not in it's not their top priority right now. Like you said, they have other projects. I know Steve's in Tokyo Motor Fist, PJ's got a solo thing. And then PJ and Steve also play with Eric Martin. So they got other stuff going on. So I think that it does sound like they do want to do Trixter, but they feel like it's no Pete doesn't want to do it. And then you guys are saying that no, they don't want to do it. And so Maybe just have a third party. And then if you come to a conclusion that you're not going to play, maybe that's the conclusion, but at least you have some sort of definitive answer.
Well, other people have offered to be that third party in the past and Okay, I'm very good friend, some people, we look up to people that we care about believe truly believed to have our best interest. And is it a necessity? No, I think probably could help. But I also believe we're not 22 anymore.. I think we possess the wherewithal that if we really want to have a sit down or a phone conversation, I think we can get through it without making it a complete shit show. You know what I mean? Is it possible? Yeah, it's possible, again, that that at the end of the day, no matter what situation, third party, third party, somebody said that somebody did that. If you have a desire to want to move forward and do something together, that's got to prevail over everything.
So yeah, so
I believe nothing is irreparable.
So why have you not talked to Steve and PJ in three years? Have you not reached? I mean, you must not have reached out to them, but they haven't reached out to you. Is there? Did it end badly? What was the last thing you guys talked about? Why is there been a three year absence?
I think there was, yeah, I've said this before, things were brewing, I think for a long time. And the more that you don't address a small problem becomes a bigger problem. And if it's an important something, I think it becomes a really big problem. And I honestly, and I think Trixter was the king of that not addressing things that we should because it was uncomfortable, or who wants to do that it's not fun, or I believe a certain way sort of need to talk about it with anybody... that that sort of thing. And it's bad for everybody. I hate to say it, bad for everybody. There's no, there's no winner situation.
So would you be willing to sit down and talk either with a third party without a third party? Would you be willing to work through these differences?
I was trying to work through it before anything happened while we were still playing! I'm open to it today.
Okay,
The day before next week, I don't care.
Okay.
But again, even before a conversation starts, I think we have to gauge everyone's seriousness towards towards this sort of thing. And when they really want to do it, like you said, those guys got a bunch projects going on. And if they prioritize that, and feel that this is like really not worthy of my time, then that's their God given right. I can't hold that against them. I'll hold it against them if they don't want to talk about it, like when we were playing.
Yeah.
And you know, they had things going on, didn't want to include somebody in the conversation, or a couple of people in the conversation, that I feel that's wrong, and you give something like that a pass and then something else happens. It's like, it ends up becoming a standard operating procedure that is not good for anybody. So, yeah, again, am I open? I'm the loosest cat, maybe that was part of the problem, too. Maybe if I weren't so laid back all the time, that little problems would ended as little problems, instead of just blowing it off and saying, oh, whatever, it became a bigger problem. So I don't tend to absolve myself from wrongdoing, I don't tend to paint myself into a picture like I did everything, right, I care about this more than anybody, and everyone else is an asshole. No, that is not the case. Let me tell you something pal, sometimes I've taken action, and it was pretty decisive, harsh action. And I can look really bad for doing it, admittedly so. But by the same token.... I guess the future will show what's up. And at the end of the day, nobody's winning. Nobody is. It's horrible. And it's a shame and a lot of people want to see us, but I want to see us play, and I hope my brothers feel similarly. And we'll see. But again, like you said, people do another projects, other things. And we've been very fortunate. We had some great runs, man, we really had it's been the most special thing in our lives.
Yeah.
I don't know how strong the desire is in everybody to do it....
Well, it sounds like I mean, this is only been your as far as I know, this is the only band you've ever done other than your solo stuff that you're working on right now. And that's your other project, I guess. But, I mean, what would you think about in the meantime, would you be open or willing to join another band? I saw a video of you somebody posted on Facebook and tagged you in it. And it was you playing the drums and you it was like I think you guys do in a Van Halen cover and I never seen you just do like it was just focused on you starting it out. And Dude, you're kicking ass. I was like, why don't you need it? Do you have a gift? I mean, you're a good drummer. Why don't you do something else in the meantime? I mean, they know where you stand you're willing to you're doing you know, you'll be willing to put trixter as a first priority, but why not start another side band? I know there's some other musicians in Arizona that you know they got nothing else. going on. So, I don't know, is that a possibility?
It's certainly a possibility. And I gotta tell you, whether I'm doing solo stuff or not. And I'm singing out front. Yeah, there's really nothing I love more than beating the EverLiving shit out of my drums playing rock,
and you're good at it. You got to do it. Yeah.
Yeah. But, uh, I have some ideas of things on my own that I'm going to be pursuing. Uh, it's gonna be a little different, but it's gonna make the fucking impact. Okay, I'm not gonna waste my time doing something like, Oh, that was nice. Next, now, this this, you know, I have an idea. That's a little crazy. And it's exciting. And it's the kind of thing where, you know, if you're going to lead up a project, you know, if you lay down a lot of do stuff, and it gets done fast. And there's really no discussion about it. You can take input from people and have advisors and things. But you know. But that being said, What would I prefer to do? I've said this from day one, even before when I was the lighting guy in trickster rate at the time, it was cool, right. I know, I worked at tricksters, my prior judgment, I there's nothing I love to do more than play drums in church. You know, so if AC DC asked me to play with them, and I was champ with them on the road, it was killer, that might be a priority due to contractual reasons or something like that in the scope of our cube something that would be but you know what, my heart would always be with tricksters a priority. And, you know, so So again, it comes down to desire and everybody's why no one guy can make it happen. No, one guy?
No. Yeah, I mean,
but it takes the commitment of all four guys to say, let's do it. Now let's discuss how we're getting right that that's open discussion, but everyone's gotta want it. You gotta want it.
Yeah. And I so your stance is pretty clear. I mean, you want to do it. So but I'm just saying like, you can't control whether it's Peter to Steve or PJ. I mean, you can't control three other guys. So we almost kind of have to wait until they're ready to turn around. Or if they want to, somebody's got to take the first step and pick up the phone or whatever. But you know, you got to have if you're not gonna have a plan, then maybe the backup plan is you play drums with somebody else just to stay busy and keep your chops up. Because like I said, I saw a video of you online. I was like, dude, you need to get out there and start playing the drums. I mean, keep your solo stuff, too. That's good. But like, you got to start playing the drums again. I mean, you gotta get for that. Like, don't you? Don't you miss playing the drums? Well, I do
play on occasion, but I don't plan on play out very much. You know, you should I keep the chops in shape. Yeah, but but yet, believe me, buddy. Not kidding with it. The most favorite. There's nothing more likely to play drums and play rock. Yeah, you know, I'm particularly playing tricks to music. Well, yeah. Because, you know, again, I've got some side projects, too. You know that? For sure. I don't know where things are gonna go. But one thing's for sure. If someone wanted to have that conversation or expressed the desire and seeing if there might be a feasibility. I would make that a prayer.
Yeah, why or why don't you just, you know, just to fuck around you got What's his face lance? Eric. He was in bank Tango. He plays bass lives in Arizona.
I had dinner with him a few weeks ago.
Jordan, Jordan Ziff plays guitar for rap.
Couple weeks ago,
Robert Mason, he's a singer. He lives there's a while before you guys get together
love. But yeah, so but but there's a lot of cats. I mean, that's not even the question. Yeah, there's a lot of cats. There really are, you know, but he, you know, there's another thing also, it's got to be it's got to be really something because when you play it on the level that trickster Did you know it doing anything, you know, less than that can sometimes not get jobs, so to speak. So I would be picky about who I did it with. But I'm open to two guys in Arizona area. Absolutely. There's some real good talent out here. But again, right now that we'll see, we'll see. Who knows. Anything's possible. I get a phone call tonight say, yeah, gosh, come on, down. Tomorrow, we're gonna be jammed. But let's do that it could turn into the biggest project in the world, right. I'm open. I'm open ended up not being a good I don't want to say
well, but i think i think it sounds like you're just really frustrated because you want trixter to happen, but it's, you know, you, you don't you're one guy at a four. So I mean, if the other three don't want to make it happen, or can't make it happen or whatever, don't feel it's the right time. Or you know, you may have no control over that. So I mean, I think you should just be grateful for the time that you did have a treasure I hope it's not the end of trickster because I really my wrist
over that's for sure. You know what I mean? No, no, no, no, no, I'm fairly well adjusted. Yeah. Right. But I mean, let's get real. I you know, I'm not I'm not gonna end it all. Because if that trickster thing doesn't work out, I have no plan in life. No, no. Anything I you know, I try to think in a complete Opposite fashion that you know thing they'll work out then, you know, like this whole what I did my Christmas album. You know why I did that? Because I had nothing fucking else to do while everyone else was doing all the ancillary projects. I did that with you song, because it touched my heart, but I didn't plan on releasing it as a single. But I did, because I had nothing else to fucking do. And people tend to like in the press picked up on Mm hmm. So I did the 30th anniversary for trixter Give it to me good. Number one, I loved the song. And nobody else wanted to do anything for the 30th anniversary trips. It was back in May. Have you seen anything else from anybody on our fucking level? I'm not hiding from anybody. I'm out all the time you see me on, you know, playing parties and having a good time being silly and fucking ride bikes, you know? everybody else's everybody else's had it. But everybody, including myself heads or, you know, have other things that the tinkering? Sure, I'll say it again? What I would rather do I want to play with tricks. I think I've said that, about every interview I've done in the fab
zone. You know, that's very clear, very clear.
So, but one guy can't do it alone. And the idea that band members don't have that feeling inside, I fail to believe that that just fails to exist within an individual that has done what we've done together. You know, it would be sad to say that that's a fact. You know, so I'm not I don't profess that. That's that that's the situation. But again, I don't know where these guys are at now. Mentally, you know, what they what the visions they got set for themselves and what they're cooking. For all I know, you know, Tokyo Motor fest is gonna open for Bon Jovi on the next European tour, and more power to them if that's the case, you know, and if that's what you want to do, let me tell you something. If Steve and PJ close and listen, we got a gig as the backing band for Sesame Street, they're making a fucking comeback. You're giving us $10 billion each. And we're gonna back them up at the Romper Room fucking puppet house. If that's what they want to do, guys, I love you. I wish we could do it. I wish you the best. Good. Can I get a backstage pass? he upset stuff. Yeah. I was fooled, truthful sentiment against anyone? Would I be disappointed? Yeah, probably be disappointed. What I say all that month. Look, I can't believe you know, you know, man, come on. We're an age now we've done so much together. And if that's something you really want to do, then again, great. But be nice to let me know about. You know, so and I think that's a common courtesy, even amongst friends that aren't as good friends as we are, you know. So again, number one, gauging desire in and certainly in relation to what everyone else got going on right now. You know, I think, you know, there's, I don't want to be I don't want to put words in anybody else's mouth. But believe me when I tell you, sometimes a bad taste can develop in your mouth, and it changes what your view is the whole damn thing. You know, I'm saying. And I think that's happened with some people, you know? And, hey, it matters where we go from here. And you know, we're not people that have been affected by substance that it alters our frickin brain to the extent that we can't think straight. You know what I mean? We're pretty down to earth people. We're not complete morons.
No, I don't think you're morons. I think you got a great band. I hope you guys get back together. But ultimately, I'm saying like, you know, you're one out of four. So I mean, it seems like it's pretty clear where you stand. So where do you go from here? If you can't get trixter back together? Would you get another band? Are you going to focus on the solo stuff? Are you going to try to join another band? I mean, I just had a Ron keel. I was interviewing him. And he had Steve Riley play drums on his first record, Steve Riley played on keel, then he played on wasp, then he would tell like guns. I mean, what's to say you couldn't hop in with another band that's already established like firehouse. I think firehouse has a drummer, but I'm saying like a band similar Danger, danger. They've got a drum, I'm sure too, but, you know, similar band that has an opening for whatever reason. It is a possibility without
question. You know, it's without question. It's not like I'm at this point in time. I've got a fairly full plate. And I'm happy. You know, COVID put a damper on a lot of shit. Sure. Yeah. I think it hurt a lot of people, myself included. Because I intended this. Give it to me good thing to be substantially bigger than what? But right now there's no opportunity to really expand upon it, but it's slowly coming back and we're gonna make a video
for it. Is that what it was?
Oh, I don't remember now. We'll have to say. Okay. One other gotcha. See, yeah, I was scheduled to make a video. Supposed to be pretty fucking big. At Bike Week in Arizona. In April this past April.
Yeah. Did the news Bike Week is Bike Week happening now though, or? No, it's So now it
is okay. And I'm curious to see how it goes down. There's some restrictions in place or something. Yeah, I don't really know. But again, we'll see what happens moving forward. But honestly, if I'm going to waste my time doing anything, I'd like to make an impact. Not just put some half assed together, we do backyard barbecues, this, that's really not what I'm looking at. So,
I'm just saying, but you could put your own thing together. I mean, you're so business minded. I mean, you could go out and reach out and grab these guys and say, Hey, guys, you're going to be in my band. Now it's going to be Gus tricks or whatever you want to call it, and you can eat
rubber regardless, if one has a business mind or not. It comes down to the heart, you got to want to do it, man. You know, if you have a vision to do something you feel that strongly about and you want to employ your business sense to to motivate it, then that's great. But it starts with the core element of desire. Okay, if you want to plant flowers, are you want to start a rock and roll band? You know, you gotta, you gotta want to do you got to have that video, say, I think it's just like this. You know? You gotta even if you want to be the leader of it, you gotta have people that are gonna follow your leadership, you know, yeah. So, you know, people.
And well, I think you also have the desire for Trixter, or why not pick up the phone and call PJ or Steve and just try to hammer things out, maybe individually with each of them.
Maybe, you know, I you know what I've said this before. That's probably one thing where I have to assume responsibility for that. I've made no effort. You know what I mean? Quite honestly... I can't pass that buck to anybody but myself have to fess up to that. Yeah.
Cool..
Yeah. Like I said, Dude, I don't profess to be the perfect anything, I certainly do not. By the same token , I also believe that any actions I might have taken weren't necessarily provoked. So I don't know... And it's all shit until you address it amongst ourselves it really see where everybody's head is at, where their hearts are at? I couldn't gauge that when we were fucking actively playing. That's fucked up. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, we would do those interviews we laughing having pillow fights, fucking being silly as shit. And then someone would say, dude, we got to talk about the fucking business... Everybody's gone.
It sounds like you might need a third party of some sort manager or friend or somebody... or
Proctologist, something. Yeah.
Yeah, not that one. No. gynecologist. That's it. No,
I got a CVS next door. Let me get some rubber gloves.
Alright, man. Well, I don't know. I feel like we're just talking in circles. Now. Is there anything else you want to talk about? Or bring up?
One thing?
One thing that we really haven't talked about, I think really needs to be talked about, and we keep sidestepping the issue. Okay. And maybe it's the real reason why trickster is no longer together. Everybody knows who Mr. Pete Lauren is, seems to be quiet in the situation. But the reason why trickster is not together. It's because we were funded by an intelligence agency to hunt down al Qaeda. And it was right around the time that Osama bin Laden was captured and killed. That trickster broke up. I want you to offer I'm gonna offer some definitive proof as to what I'm talking about here today. It's just Osama Bin Loran He's in the mountains of Arizona. That's why I'm out here. Chuck, I can't lie to you any longer. It is this fan that I'm hunting for? is an enemy of America. A terror. Chris, a sleeper cell about hideout trickster will not play again yet until Osama bin Lauren is taught and castrated. Well, let's get him out then. Yeah, we're gonna blame the whole thing on him. He's the reason trickster is no longer together. I want to make that clear.
Okay, well, that sounds clear as day
autograph was provided by Special Agent macandrews of the FBI. If you've seen this man, go wait under tripster rocks. And give us your information. There was a $10 million reward with a recipe capture about sama bin Lauren. Seems like
it sounds totally legit to me. I don't see any gosh, yes, of course. Why are we here? All right, Mark. Well, yes. And hope for kids international as your charity. We've mentioned it a couple times before on the podcast. So thanks so much.
Chuck, thanks so much for everything I appreciate. And I appreciate the look.
Yeah. All right. Take it easy. Well, there you have it, Marcus Scott, in his own words. Third time on my show, definitely check out the first and second interviews I had with him if you haven't already. He's got some great stories in those but in his own words, this is kind of what's going on with trickster doesn't sound Good right now. But that's not to say that things couldn't get better very quickly actually. Sounds like they just need to sit down and talk with each other, either just on the phone or all four of them together or all four with a mediator of some sorts, which again, I'm happy to do if they are so inclined. I do have those skills. But I just hope that everything gets worked out and if maybe if it's taken a break from tricks for a while and they work on other projects. That's a that's okay, too, but wish them all the best. They're always welcome on my show any of the members I think Steve and Peter Peter have not been on my show yet, so I'd love to have them on. Make sure you follow mark on and trickster on social media follow me as well. subscribe to the podcast, share it with everybody and get rating and review of your board. Thank you so much for listening. Remember, shoot for the moon. Sure.
There are people that would say even a few years ago, all things are tough out there. We're lucky to get anything we can. There's other people that think differently, and I'll offer an example. There are some people that would say, we can get we get the second gig. Yeah, we're gonna take 40% off. But still, it's better than you making nothing. So let's just take the gig. If you're so quick to take something like that. You fail to allow something else to happen. I'll give you another illustration- Trixter broke up while we stopped playing, if you will. And you know what? The phone rang more than once, so let's just start with one time. phone rang, guys. Got the standard offer here. Wanna play? Like now? We're not playing right now. Okay, cool. Come hang up two days later. Yeah, they do offer 25%. What do you say guys? You want to go for it? No, we're not going to do. Okay. I'll tell them thanks. Two days later. Yeah, they want to go up another 25%. What do you say follows you want to put it back together? Now that's kind of interesting. Little thing by not even us doing anything. But more importantly, by us saying no, it over an increase. Now, that's just one isolated instance. And we had another one. And they were offering, trying to give you accurate percentages here, starting at approximately 50% over our regular prayer, and I hate to even talk money with rock and roll, I freaking hate it, but it's part of the business, opening offer starting at 50% of what we would normally get, and then also increasing it up to almost 100% more than what we'd normally get just because we said we weren't going to play. Now, you see, what I'm trying to illustrate here is, when you jump a little crumbs, and people expect you to grab it, they're gonna get you for the better part of what you're worth, you end up driving the dollar, you end up having the dollar slave to you, it's going to breed different results. And I don't care how tough you think things are out there, you're making them tougher on yourself by acting like a fucking idiot. So this is where a manager may come into play and politically, do it the right way. Getting the band what they're worth, as opposed to what you think they might be worth. Because on the inside being a member of the band, you do not have that outside perspective that you really need to guide the ship properly. You know, the guy pumping the engines down to the Titanic isn't necessarily the right guy that ought to be steering the ship. You see what I'm saying? Sir? Yeah, I don't know if that's the best analogy, but I think you understand what I'm trying to say. And that's just one instance, pal, you know. And there's different schools of thought to do a lot of different things. But if you're going to end up making the primary decisions for an international brand, it's a lot of responsibility to take on. A lot of decisions to be made. If you really aren't, you don't have a clear idea of of where you want to go with this. I think it ends up hurting everybody. Hmm,