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Choiceology with Katy Milkman

Charles Schwabwww.schwab.com
Can we learn to make smarter choices? Listen in as host Katy Milkman--behavioral scientist, Wharton professor, and author of How to Change--shares stories of high-stakes decisions and what research reveals they can teach us. Choiceology, an original podcast from Charles Schwab, explores the lessons of behavioral economics to help you improve your judgment and change for good. Season 1 of Choiceology was hosted by Dan Heath, bestselling author of Made to Stick and Switch. Podcasts are for informational purposes only. This channel is not monitored by Charles Schwab. Please visit schwab.com/contactus for contact options. (0321-1S88)

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Coming Soon: A New Season of Choiceology

It’s a new season of Choiceology, an original podcast from Charles Schwab. New episodes arrive every two weeks, so please follow us in your favorite podcasting app. Important Disclosures The comments, views, and opinions expressed in the presentation are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the views of Charles Schwab. Data contained herein from third party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable source. However, its accuracy, completeness or reliability cannot ...

Mar 10, 20252 min

A Hero's Journey: With Guests Ethan Gilsdorf, David Fajgenbaum & Kurt Gray

Luke Skywalker, Frodo Baggins, Katniss Everdeen, the main characters of many great stories, they all have one thing in common: the shape of their journey. From answering the call to adventure, to undergoing tests of character and strengths, to triumphantly returning home forever changed. It's a classic narrative structure that's inspired countless tales from ancient myths to modern media. But it's not just great for entertainment. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how...

Oct 21, 202440 minSeason 14Ep. 6

Rebel With a Cause: With Guests Francis Kelly & Christopher Bryan

Most parents encounter resistance from their children. Perhaps when the kids are young and turning their noses up at vegetables, or when they're teenagers and balking at curfews or dress codes. So what's the best way to encourage good choices in the face of a rebellious kid? Or a rebellious adult, for that matter? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at the surprising ways that resistance to authority can be leveraged for positive change. During the mid 1990s, the "Truth" a...

Oct 07, 202436 minSeason 14Ep. 5

On a High Note: With Guests Maurice Schweitzer & Matthew Polly

Do you recall the best concert you ever went to? Best trip? Best meal? Chances are good that a few memories come to mind—maybe not every detail of the event, but perhaps a couple great moments. It can go the opposite way, too. Worst travel experience. Worst date. Our memory works in snapshots of particular parts of our experience. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at a predictable distortion in the way people remember experiences. And we’re doing it in part to honor a ve...

Sep 23, 202438 minSeason 14Ep. 4

The Truth Is Out There: With Guests Tania Lombrozo & Toby Ball

Your car breaks down. Must be because you skipped an oil change last month. Or your favorite team loses. Well, that was because of a bad call by a corrupt referee. In reality, many events involve multiple contributing factors. But we tend to gravitate toward single causes. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at our desire to explain things simply, even when the truth may be more complex. Where unidentified flying objects are concerned, there is rarely a simple answer. They...

Sep 09, 202432 minSeason 14Ep. 3

To Know What You Know: With Guests David Dunning & Andrew Flack

In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at the often-misunderstood and surprisingly common Dunning-Kruger effect with an interview featuring one of the researchers who first identified it, David Dunning. But we start with the story of Cecilia Jimenez , the humble Spanish grandmother and amateur landscape painter who took it upon herself to restore a fresco in her local church. The results made international headlines—and briefly made Ceclia Jimenez a household name—for all the...

Aug 26, 202428 minSeason 14Ep. 2

The Buddy System: With Guests Max Maeder & Rachel Gershon

Pursuing a goal alone is convenient. Whether you're training for a marathon or aiming to read 20 books this year, it's convenient to move at your own pace and schedule. But having a gym buddy or a book club pal can make a bigger difference to your goal completion than you think. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at the benefits of tandem goal pursuit in the context of training for a new Olympic sport: kite foiling. Max Maeder is a 17-year-old kite foiling athlete and man...

Aug 12, 202430 minSeason 14Ep. 1

To Fight Another Day: With Guests Alex Imas & Mary Stockwell

When you're facing loss—say, in a board game or during a sporting event or with a declining stock—it can be difficult to remember your true tolerance for risk. You're likely to seek risk more than you normally would. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at a tendency to seek risk in the face of losses when those losses aren't yet finalized, but how chalking up those losses and moving on can actually help you recalibrate your appetite for risk. During the American Revolution...

Jun 03, 202436 minSeason 13Ep. 6

Choiceology's Guide to Better Decisions: With Guests James Korris, Carey Morewedge & Jack Soll

Over the years, Choiceology has offered a lot of advice for making better decisions. In this special episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we bring you the story of a video game that is surprisingly effective at reducing decision errors, and you'll hear about a practical checklist for improving choices in many different contexts. Solving fictitious mysteries might sound like fun and games, but the video game MISSING: The Pursuit of Terry Hughes was designed with a serious purpose in mind: t...

May 20, 202431 minSeason 13Ep. 5

The Charmer's Playbook: With Guests Wilfred Webster & Daniel Read

"Don't judge a book by its cover" is an old adage for a good reason. Elegant book cover designs can create a positive impression and make you more likely to judge the writing quality more positively. But these traits—cover art and writing—are separate and distinct features of books. So why do we allow the judgment of one trait to spill over to another unrelated trait? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at a tendency to allow our judgments of one trait of a person (or prod...

May 06, 202434 minSeason 13Ep. 4

Recipe for Success: With Guests Simon Rogan & Michele Gelfand

Are rules made to be followed—or meant to be broken? Often, the answer will depend on culture and the context in which people make decisions. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how carefully people in different contexts follow social norms, rules, and procedures. We'll also see how strict and relaxed cultures affect the quality of our decisions—and how to find the sweet spot depending on your goals. Professional kitchens have historically been challenging work environm...

Apr 22, 202434 minSeason 13Ep. 3

Take the Deal! With Guests Daniel Kahneman, Colin Camerer & Luis Green (Rebroadcast)

In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how framing a decision based on what you stand to lose versus what you stand to gain affects your tolerance of risk. Luis Green was a contestant on the popular TV game show Deal or No Deal . The game is largely one of chance, but there are moments during play where the contestant has an option to accept a cash offer to quit. At one point in the game, Luis was offered $333,000 to simply walk away. A guaranteed win! It seems like an obv...

Apr 08, 202445 min

Top of Mind: With Guests John Farrell & Manasvini Singh

When someone asks, "What's your favorite restaurant?" odds are you're inclined to recommend a place you've eaten at recently—even if it's not really your favorite. It's just top of mind. Why do we weigh recent events so heavily? And how does this tendency impact important decisions, like whom to vote for or how to conduct medical procedures? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at a phenomenon that can cause us to overweight recent events compared to earlier events and make...

Mar 25, 202432 minSeason 13Ep. 2

Repeat After Me: With Guests Jennifer LeMesurier & Tali Sharot

Vitamin C is a cure for the common cold. Bats are blind. Sugar makes children hyperactive. All of these statements are false. So why are they so pervasive? And why do they feel so true? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at a phenomenon that can cause us to believe inaccurate information more than we should, and also lead us to trust reliable information less than we should. If you’re over a certain age, you might remember friends or family panicking about MSG, or monosod...

Mar 11, 202434 minSeason 13Ep. 1

(BONUS) From What It's Like to Be … a Forensic Accountant

Curious what it would be like to walk in someone else's (work) shoes? Join New York Times bestselling author Dan Heath as he explores the world of work, one profession at a time, and interviews people who love what they do. What does a couples therapist think when a friend asks for relationship advice? What happens if a welder fails to wear safety glasses? What can get a stadium beer vendor fired? If you've ever met someone whose work you were curious about, and you had 100 nosy questions but we...

Dec 18, 202329 min

A Sticky Situation: With Guests Richard Thaler, Wendy Wood & Susan Budowski

Filling out an overly complicated form or waiting on hold for hours to speak with a customer service rep is a frustrating experience. And sometimes it seems like the process itself is designed to be difficult. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how friction––time, distance, complexity, or anything that gets in the way of your goals—can contribute to what Nobel Prize–winning economist Richard Thaler calls "sludge." A young couple walks into a theme park and they are off...

Oct 23, 202338 minSeason 12Ep. 6

Jumping to Conclusions: With Guests David Silbey & Ned Augenblick

A train was speeding along the tracks in 19th-century England when a passenger suddenly started smashing windows and waving a pistol in the air. People believed his actions were caused by what was, at the time, a new and unfamiliar form of transportation. Doctors posited the rattling motion and noise of trains could cause passengers to act erratically, creating the short-lived but popular myth of "railway madness." In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how people often ov...

Oct 09, 202337 minSeason 12Ep. 5

No Mean Feat: With Guests Albert Chen & Elizabeth Tipton

It’s halftime at a basketball game. A kid nervously steps onto center court. If he can score a basket from center court, he’ll take home the prize money. He tells the announcer that he plays on his elementary school team and that he has been practicing for this moment. The crowd holds their breath as the ball sails through the air, hits the backboard … and goes in. The stadium erupts in excitement. Could he be the next Michael Jordan? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at...

Sep 25, 202334 minSeason 12Ep. 4

A Cup of Knowledge: With Guests A.J. Jacobs & Steven Sloman

Why do ocean waves move the way they do? How does a toaster work? How might ink flow through a ballpoint pen without the help of gravity? You may know the answer to these questions, but explaining them in detail could reveal an unexpected truth. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at why people think they understand things better than they actually do. The idea started at the dinner table. One of A.J. Jacobs’ kids presented him with a seemingly simple task—thank the people...

Sep 11, 202330 minSeason 12Ep. 3

The Golden Misfits: With Guests Gary Lawless & Erika Kirgios

What is the difference between buying groceries for the whole week versus grabbing something to eat on the way home each day? Grouping choices together so that you make a bunch of selections all at once can seem daunting, but it can actually help you reach your goals faster. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how taking a bird's eye view on a series of selections can help create better results overall. Most sports teams take years to establish themselves as contenders....

Aug 28, 202334 minSeason 12Ep. 2

An Accidental Experiment: With Guests Steven Levitt, Solomon Ezra & Stephen Spector

Scientifically sound, randomized experiments can be expensive and difficult to run. But there’s an alternative: It turns out that certain real-life situations can also generate useful scientific data. The trick is finding them. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how events outside of our control can create opportunities for so-called natural or accidental experiments. The organizers of a heroic airlift transporting thousands of Ethiopian Jews to Israel broke the record...

Aug 14, 202333 minSeason 12Ep. 1

The Superforecasters: With Guests Leon Panetta, Peter Bergen & Barbara Mellers

There are moments in life where it seems as though everything is riding on one important decision. If only we had a crystal ball to see the future, we could make those decisions with greater confidence. Fortune-telling aside, there are actually methods to improve our predictions—and our decisions. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at what makes some people “superforecasters.” In 2010, the United States government had been looking for Al Qaeda leader and perpetrator of th...

Jun 05, 202338 minSeason 11Ep. 6

Survey Says: With Guests W. Joseph Campbell & Emily Oster

If you ran a survey at a science fiction convention to find out which movies were most popular with the general public, chances are good that the results would lean heavily towards sci-fi films. This skewing of data is plain to see in this context, but in many others it’s less obvious and potentially more pernicious. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at a bias that can distort information that we gather from the world around us. First, W. Joseph Campbell tells the story ...

May 22, 202329 minSeason 11Ep. 5

(BONUS) From Ripple Effect: Does Diversity Training Work? with Katy Milkman

On this special bonus episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we highlight Ripple Effect , a new podcast from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Hosted by Dan Loney, Ripple Effect showcases research by Wharton faculty and shares what their insights mean for you. As part of a series on women and work, this episode of Ripple Effect features Choiceology host and Wharton professor Katy Milkman. After years of conducting research on gender bias in the workplace, Katy has reached...

May 08, 202331 min

Brave on the Waves: With Guests Bianca Valenti & Katherine Coffman

We all make decisions involving risk. Decisions like trying out for your school’s chess team, speaking up when you don’t agree with your boss, or going down a double-black-diamond run at the end of a long day of skiing. So how do we determine which risks are worth taking and which ones are too … risky? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at gender differences around confidence and uncertainty, and how we can all better calibrate our bravado. Surfing waves as tall as apartm...

Apr 24, 202333 minSeason 11Ep. 4

Fan Fictions: With Guests Hannah Sung, Crystal Tai & Anuj Shah

Finding a new favorite celebrity feels a little bit like falling in love. Perhaps you find their smile endearing, or you relate to their sense of humor. Maybe you see things in your everyday routine that remind you of them. You feel like you know them so well. But whether it’s a star athlete or a Hollywood type, the reality is they likely have no idea who you are. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we explore how we can develop deep connections with complete strangers — and how t...

Apr 10, 202330 minSeason 11Ep. 3

The Beanie Bandwagon: With Guests Robert Cialdini & Yemisi Brookes

Mullets. Skinny jeans. Crocs. Many of us can recall trends that we've jumped on, only to see those trends become passé soon after. But the fear of missing out can snowball into heavier consequences. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how speculation and rapidly growing trends, however niche, can cloud people's judgment. A tight knit group of friends in Chicago start buying stuffed animals from a little-known toymaker, called Ty Warner, for their kids. The friends' enth...

Mar 27, 202331 minSeason 11Ep. 2

The Power of Do-Overs: With Guests Jeff Ryan & Marissa Sharif

When you fail to reach a challenging goal, say, saving a certain amount of money each month or getting to the gym a certain number of times a week, it can be tempting to just give up on the plan entirely. But new research shows that building some flexibility into that plan can actually improve your chances of success. In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , we look at how mulligans, skip days, cheat meals, and get-out-of-jail free cards are important strategies for sticking to your lo...

Mar 13, 202326 minSeason 11Ep. 1

Mesmerized: With Guests Mara Rockliff & John List

It seems like every other week there's a news report about how coffee will help you live longer or will shorten your life. There are similar reports about vitamins and water consumption and any number of other health-related studies. So why do we see so much conflicting information around scientific research in the media? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , a look at the slippery problem of separating correlation from causation. You'll hear the fascinating story of Franz Mesmer an...

Nov 07, 202235 minSeason 10Ep. 6

The Bad with the Good: With Guests Uzma Khan & Gustav Källstrand

You've probably caught yourself indulging after a workout or a game or a stretch of healthy eating. Maybe it was a pint or two after a soccer game or an extra piece of cheesecake after a vigorous hike. These indulgences are easier to justify after a healthy activity. Ironically, though, these indulgences can undo some of your hard work. So why do we tend to behave this way? In this episode of Choiceology with Katy Milkman , a look at how we justify our decisions based on previous behavior. Alfre...

Oct 24, 202231 minSeason 10Ep. 5