Episode 131: Breaking Down “The Interview” with Richard Sherman

of one Richard Sherman. I'm so happy that you're here with us. Thank you for coming on Calm Down. I appreciate you, guys. Happy me. It's always a pleasure to get to speak to you. Two lovely ladies. Our guy. He's been our guy for how long? Chris, I mean I got to meet him. What year did we officially

fall in love? Sherman? What year was that? Probably thirteen, probably was the sure And that was the day when I met him in the cafeteria and with all the boys and Jarrett, my husband is blown away by this. The Seahawks let us used to come in their cafeteria when the boys were sitting down. I would get in the smoothie line ask them what they wanted. But that's when I decided I wanted to if I ever came back as a football player, I would want to be sure. Like that's the day I was like, if I like

the quarterback situation, I'd want to be sure I appreciate that. Okay, so wait, this is a long time coming. So I didn't know this that you guys have never done an interview about the famed two thousand thirteen NFC Championship postgame interviews. So here's the team. We should have done as commercial too. We should have done a lot of commercials, but Commerci and Slow Beats was the only one on it. Yeah, but you and I we should have had a Snickers.

We should have had like Obama made a joke about it, like we there was there was a famous Halloween in the Wall Street Journal. There was a famous kids Halloween costume. Like he and I, all of you advertisers, you missed out. And even when he went to San Francisco, I went to Mars and I had an whole idea for a Nickers deal. Like I'd give him the candy bar and then he'd be in a like a forty nine ers uniform.

People don't listen, It's fine, So this is sure. You know how much we love Aaron's always that business brain of her. She's always thinking. So I love that. So I want to get into that interview and just set the stage and then we can go on right there the other things. Oh, we are going to go right there because to me as the remember I'm the Seattle I'm the I'm the twelfth man here. I am the fan of like and Aaron and you and I were we were friends, but not the friends that we are now.

So like, I'm sitting there watching that game in real time. I at the time was also a sideline reporter, so I'm looking at it from your vantage point, but then also from a Seattle fan and watching Sherm's emotion. So set the stage, shure M. You go first? Is the PR guy bringing you over to Aaron, like how did this thing all go down? And and you that I may remember it differently than you because you actually were like adrenaline three million, good jillion. Can we fuck that?

Can we go rewind a little bit more? Can you take me? And even as lame as that, my question was that day, just what was that final play? Sure? Can you just take us through that? Well, it all happens fast when it's two minutes, So they were in two minute, and I promise you throughout the whole because I hadn't got a target the whole game. I know it then throwing it over there the entire game, and I think the only reason I got a chance was because it was two minute and they couldn't draw up

a plane to avoid me. You know, it was just whatever Colin's choice was at time, and they have been driving down the field. We had him stopped, we had game, and they hit Frank on like a third and long and he got the first down. Then they hit Burning, then they hit Crab on the other top. So they were like marching down the field and I'm like, don't remember this. I just remember you. I don't remember this.

I'm freaking out. I was freaking out because I'm like, bro, we're about to lose this game and they not even give me a shot at the ball, and not shot to get involved at all the whole game. I'm gonna go the whole game without get involved, and then they hurried up to the line and Crab had like like, you know, way too fidgety at the line in screment.

So I'm like, there's no way like you you get in the ball right now, like you move it too excitable at corner when you're that intimate with somebody, ever, you got damn play. You can tell you know, it's like seeing the same person every day and looking at

him in their eyes. And then they got they got all over to you know really what happens like you can tell no question as receivers when they're having a good day and they see the corner and they see him like with fear in his eyes or you know what I mean, like fidgety, they're gonna be like, hey, I'm about to feast. It's about a few workings. It's gonna work out here. What's the down in distance and how much time is laughed? It was first intent because they had just got a first down I think, to

burn it, and so they were excitable. There was no pressure on him. He had time. I think there might have been like maybe thirty seconds to go, but they had time outs like and they were like right on in the red zone. Right outside the red zone and Crab gives me this stutter outside release. So I'm like, okay, we're outside. We're either going nine ball or you're gonna stop route. But I'm not stopping on a stop route because i don't care about that. You you you need to

touchdown to win, like if you're on a hitch. I mean, I'll come tackle you and then we'll get the next place. They gotta go to the end zone. He runs the stutter. I look at him, read it. He turns around. I mean, we we go. I turned around, look for the ball and Colin puts it up and I'm like, for the game, finally about the end this and what are you thinking? What are you thinking? I'm thinking catching, I'm thinking about to pick this. This is about to be a layup.

And so I go up and then I fill his hand in my back and I'm like, there's no way it's about to happen like this, And so as I'm getting pushed, I'm like, I can't catch it anymore because I'm too far forward, and so I'm like, oh, I got left and I got full hand on the balls, like I'm gonna keep it in. I'mna keep it in, I know, Earl or somebody's gonna be here, and of course it was Malcolm and not Earl, but god, we

had done that. Me and Earl had done it earlier in the season against the Giants in New York, which is crazy, you know, I mean ironically, but I got two interceptions in the game, but I had tipped one in and Earl came and caught the tip and on same ends, on same corner and everything and picked it. So I thought it was gonna be another situation like that,

but it was Malcolm this time. And then what what I know what happened next to take us through what you remember, well, it was Chaos grabbed me and ship and I was like, I was like, no, no, I gotta go see this man. I'm about to go look him in his eye. And yeah, well I dragged over there and slapped him on the bus. That's right, you know what it was once And so the precursor to this was that you guys were talking all week, right, was that what this was about? Because this was this

was in the summer CT just go way back. We had a production meeting that Friday with the Seahawks and Joe and Troy had not met Scherm yet, and I had already done a couple of games. I was on Kevin Burkhardt John Lynch's crew at the time, and we had done a ton of Seahawks games and that's how we got to know Scherm. And so then I got moved to the big Boy team for the playoffs, and I was like, you guys are gonna die. This guy's awesome.

He's my fucking favorite. Like you're gonna love it. And you can tell right away when you sit with Sherm or you know, even in a production meeting outside of a production meeting, the guy smart and Troy loves that. He just wants to test you, not test you, but like,

let me see it how you see it. And I remember they just started asking you about Crabtree and you were so honest, and it was one of those I mean, I had my laptop, we're all taken notes, and it was one of those where you don't hear what you do, but when you do, you're like, not often are people that honest. He was just honest and as stop, it's great. Takes one to know one, and that's also why you're the best teammate though now on Thursday Night football, of course,

and we'll get into all that in a minute. But that's what you want. You want that as a reporter, you want that as an interview, you want that as a teammate because you know what you're going to get in that situation. Okay, So all that's going down, and Aaron, what's happening in your world at this moment. Well, up until that play, we were kind of trying to figure out. I was trying to remember Sherm, who had a good game. Offensively,

It's like, do we get a game first? Had caught the game like leading touchdown, but it would have been hard because they had some guys that were having a good game too. Defensively, they had a good game. Yeah, they were feeling good. I was just trying to remember the questions and I was like all right, all right, But then obviously, like you know, Sharm's play happened, and it was like I'm just I'm going like we're live,

We're going, they're gonna take it. And as he said, I just remember craziness what I remember, And I've seen it on films, which is cool. You do the deportes, yes, And I just stood there what I did was I stood, and I was so thankful. I have goose bumps right now because you know, I love you so much. But I was so grateful that we had that relationship because I found you. I just went right to you. I didn't even look to see if PR was there. I saw you do de portes and in my mind we

weren't live yet. And once Joe through to me, no offense to that guy, I was gonna show him his ass and push him and be like, all right, we're live, because like, no offense, we're ready. And um, I actually think I held onto your back to keep hold of you, to be like, I'm here, I'm here. I did that to Matthew after the NFC Championship last year. I'm just like, I'm just gonna stay with you and follow you when

it's live. I'm going to make you do this. So that's what I remember, right, And so yeah, I did the portest and so we hadn't had a relationship to he and I you know what I mean, he just we go way back and so um, and so he had just came up first, and so you know what I mean, nobody, yeah, nobody said anything. And so he's trying to translate and do his thing, and I'm trying to give an interview. I'm like, you know, and then you come up and I'm like, yeah, what are we doing?

Not give you so hard? I hit my chick. Yes, I nailed my chin and I went, oh my god, because I'm so excited for you, and I had known all the smack talk that had happened, and you made the play and I was like, yes, oh man, you would have been a concussion protocol. Got this girl. I can handle it. Talk about it. Yeah, you know me. Come on now, So that question, Aaron, I've heard you say that you wish you could redo the interview. Why

are you Why are you so critical of that? Because it's such a great, just like raw moment from both of you guys, because of many things. A I love this man a lot, and I I don't. I knew what happened after and why I got vocal after because I didn't want anyone to think he was scaring me. He wasn't fucking scaring me. I was like, all right, we'll break it down. My first question sucked, as Richard the final play, I'm not mad at that. Take me

through it. I should have been like, what happened, just saying, like a fan, what happened? Not take me through it. That's not even a fucking question, like you should have said, that's a stupid question, a what happened? Like what happened? And then you go and look my face and I've said it the whole time. Wasn't like, oh my god, oh my god, he's scaring me, I'm freaked out this athlete is yelling at me. No, it was this is

sucking awesome. So this has never happened. People are going to lose their minds that this is happening and I have to let him just go. But I was thinking at that time, has he said crab Tree? Because I know it's crab Tree. Joe and Troy know it's crab Tree. But I don't want people to think he's screaming about me. Don't you ever talk about me again? He I know he's not saying that. But what I should have done is not turned into the excited sports fan that I

was and been like, who was talking about? You know? It's just like we're you talking about like just sucking be like daddy. It's like when I met Jason sadikis like, get your ship together, a girl. That's my own problem. Sure, that's not yours. And look that's my problem because I was talking like we were just talking conversation from earlier. I'm like, remember, like, what's up? You know what it is? And um, I was too haype at the moment, you know,

I mean all the stuff with hardball, with crab. You know, it was just that it was a smorgish board of winds for me that day. And I was, you know, and obviously I was comfortable with you, as we always are, um, and so I was like, I was gonna give you this straight up. It was so good, and I know

Aaron's gonna be pretol of that whatever. And you know what's crazy, you guys ten years ago, two thousand thirteen NFC Championship game, Like damn okay, So now Scherm being on the other side of course, you you know, it went on and played in San Francisco. We've got the Shehrm Bowl this week on Thursday night football between the Niners and the Seahawks in Seattle, which I'm so excited for.

That incredible game that Aaron just worked yesterday. Rock Parties performance so I would love put your analyst hat on, which is the same hat as friend, as businessman, it's all the same. What did you see yesterday from that young man and this team that continues to overcome the injuries and pick up and then of course you've got Debot, So kind of give me your analysts view of what happened yesterday. Well, he's fearless and and you would think

he's done it before. You know, you wouldn't think he was a rookie. You think you at least was a veteran a low draft. Yeah, you know what I mean. He didn't walk to that game against Tom Brady as a fan. He walked in that game like I'm about to slice and dice this defense. That's a top ten defense in the National Football League. So this isn't like

the Miami Dolphins are aggressive. We talked about the zero blitz scheme, like, you know, sloppy that can get But this is Tod Bowls coach defense, their top ten They know how to play and he gives you some of the most exotic liks you'll get. And he was just shripped. We lost pta vea after the first series. So what happened? Why Why was he shredding in the way they were? Todd, who I love, said, penalties were shooting ourselves in the foot?

Why what else? There's so many weapons on that San Francisco team or what I mean, it's definitely too many weapons. But he just was creating when there wasn't anything there. And that's the big difference between he and Jimmy G. Is that the play in the red zone where he rented in would have likely probably either been a sack or throwaway for Jimmy because they had it covered. It was a good zone. They picked up everybody. There was

nowhere to go with the football. So if you don't run it in there, you either throw it into a tight window and like the interception, or you throw it away. And he said, uh, I'm gonna be athletic enough to just run this in. Y'all can't stop us anyway. And that gives them a different dynamic than they've had with Jimmy G. So Kylie Shanahan was talking about the transition from like Trade Lands to Jimmy G to brock Purty and he was like, the transition from Jimmy G to

brock Purty was really small. It was a minimum, the playbooks the same we called the same place. We might even call it more place. Well, and you brought it up, Aaron in your broadcast. This guy's been going up against the best defense in the NFL out on the Scout team, but he just didn't look like he hesitated. You know those moments like you put your people in the situation and they're like second guessing themselves, like we don't tell

you everything happens in a split second. So that's what observing and watching it just looked like he didn't hesitate on anything. We made a joke to him because Kyle said it, Kittle said it. Everybody was talking about his balls all week like like that. And so he comes on our zoom and and we're like, hey, nice to meet your congratulations. Greg's like, I feel like all I've been reading about is your balls always. So we He's like, yeah, there,

hands to my kneecap right now. I try to keep him up, you know, and those guys don't be us around when you've got Trent Williams. Trent Williams in game, tell you how happy he was in the game, comes over and hugs me, and it's like, how about this guy Fred Warner. I mean they're talking like hyping this guy up. They're not doing that if this guy isn't that good. They're not doing it to save this season

now because they can't, you know what I mean. They're happy because they know they still have a chance, and they have They have as great of a chance now as when they started the football season. My god. And it makes you comfortable to be out there when guys are giving you that kind of support, you know, because then you don't feel like you're in the middle of the ocean without a paddle. You feel like, hey, I'm just part of the train, you know what I mean.

I don't have to be the conductor. All these other guys have been here, they've done that. They're they're with me, they're punching with me. So it's like you're not in a fight by yourself. But on the other side of the ball is the defensive perspective for you. We saw, you know, Mike White goes out and has that crazy performance, right because not tape on this guy. So what happens from a defensive perspective, And there's only going to be a small sample size because we're at the end of

the season. Here, But are you looking at like, all right, this kid a few more games on film, now we know his weaknesses here and there, and do you think that it will be sort of a sustainable what he's been able to do in this short amount of time works that works for guys, like if it's a running scheme, or if it's a scheme you just haven't like when Justin Fields first started to run the ball and you're like god, Lee, like like damn, we need to put these stunts in and put a spy on him and

do this and make these adjustments. He's playing quarterback. It's not like you and like, he's not. He's not playing doing his own read and all that nonsense. He's standing in the pocket and delivering the football. So I think it's harder to say, oh, this is just a flash and the pant and it's gonna sizzle out. He's not doing anything. It's not like he's playing bad defenses, and it's not like he's like doing anything outrageously crazy. He's

hitting open me. M hm. This goes to as I walked off with Kyle going into the half, which I was kind of bummed about is coming out. I thought he'd have more info on debot, but I had heard rumblings that it wasn't that bad, which good news for them. I hope he gets over the high ankle sprain. But I just asked, Kyle, you know, what do you think of your guy in the first half, And he's like, he's playing fucking awesome. He's being And this was the

time that I wish I could cuss on air. I'm kind of like when you and I did our things, like the guys playing his ass off, It's like, well, Kevin, Kyle Shanahan said he's playing really well. I wanted to be like, said, he's playing fucking awesome, playing his ass off, Like how great would that have been to do that? You know, Oh that awesome? I know, hey, sure to go back to our thing. I've I've always wanted to ask you this because I can tell the story about

when I started to see a blow up. I did Dan Patrick in the morning right away to give my side of it, to stick up for you. But I was on a plane. It was stray and our boss from Fox and I started seeing stuff on Twitter and I was like, you guys, you guys, this is getting bad. We have to say something. And the president of Fox Sports, Eric Shank said, let's help you come up with something because we love serm. This is what we love about

those postgame interviews. We die for something like this. We want players to do something like this, be natural and react, be natural, not do a rehearse bit. Not you know, I can't I game at a time one When did you know, because you had a ton of interviews, you then had to go into a press conference. When did you know, like, all right, this has gone nuts? Well after all the press conference. So we're always the last

ones in the locker room. It's always me ear okay, I'm like one of one of us is gonna be last. And so I was standing there with Steve Wisch and he and he was just asked me like little questions about the game, about the subtleties, about this, about Crabtree and all that. And he was like, hey, that interview you did, it's getting a lot of traction. And I was like, what do you mean I mean that I didn't think. Yeah, I'm not thinking anything of it. I'm like,

did I lie? Like, did I curse? I'm like, I don't think I cursed, thinking like your curse. But that's it um seriously though, but it's what we love you for so many reasons prior to for me working with you, prior to Aaron even you know, having that moment authenticity is a big thing, and it's something that we all personally know that we love about each other, but people in this business and just in general, just in humanity. For you, was it difficult to after you knew that

you were going to be done playing? When was that decision made? So we know that you went, you know, San Francisco, then you played with the Bucks for that short stint. Did you know that you wanted to be done and enter the broadcasting world or sort of like walk us through when you say, all right, maybe it's time to make that decision or the decision is now. I mean, what kind of when you made that turn?

You Well, I don't know if I ever actually like had a concrete moment where I was like, it's done, It's done. Yeah. But I think the moment that I knew it was gonna be tough was we were we were had a great week of practice. I had came off you know, I was kind of beat up, obviously, I had done the three games straight and then had a muscle strain, which is expected off of three games straight with no rest and no real preparation. And so then I was coming back from it, and I had

a good week of practice. I had three interceptions and practice. I'm feeling great. I said, oh, man, like I'm about to show them today, like I'm finally feeling like I'm in rhythm. CT. We got our helmets, one, we got our paths. One. We go out for the initial warm up. I'm jogging out. We do the break like you know what I mean, jogging out on the field my calf said. I said, whoa, whoa? Did you know in that moment, I said, let me check it. I said, okay, I

start jogging. Now they've already declared, man, so they already declared the inactives. So I start jogging and I'm like, it's pain, it's sharp and getting sharper with every step. It's getting sharper. I'm like, there's no fucking way I just strained my calf. And the damn warm up. And you want to know the hardest conversation to go to the head coach, to go to b A and be like, yeah, I'm out. It's like in the warm up and not Antonio Brown out. You're like, yeah, take your shirt off.

I said, I can't play. I was like, my capturing, I can't even a merely walk. And he's like, like, you're joking with me right now, and I like, I wish. I was like, I got I got nothing. That's what I knew. I was gonna be tough, I said, I went to the locker room, I said in the trader and I said, you got to be kidding. And that was when I was like, yeah, this might be the old body might be telling you that's enough, because you didn't want it to be. You still want to be

out there, you still want to be going. And so then you said, yeah, I still felt good. I still felt good that week, and and you you're going, I'm going, I'm ready to I'm ready to kill it and just shut it down. I said, okay, well, good for you, body,

good for you. So the TNF broadcasting experience, of course, I'm having the privilege of sitting next to you on that set is incredible, and you're a host dream because you just know that you're always going to be prepared, you're always going to be able to speak on anything, and do it with such emotion. But how is the experience take you and I like working together out of it? How has it been for you? Just in general? It's been a lot of fun, and I wish I could

take us out of it. But that's why it's been fun. We got such a cool crew, you know, and I think the team matters. And I think the team from the producers, from the stage staff, the media staff, you know, Amy and those guys Amina, Maria and execs, you know, Jay and Jared, and you know, it's just a cool place. You know. Then you got Smitty and Tay Myra, you got everybody. It's just a fun place. It makes the experience fun. So I think that's made everything a lot

easier because I'm having a blast anyway. I get to go to the games, we get to have a blast, sit there and talk the game, shoot the stuff. And then they passed to be on TV. He goes. At one point, he goes, I can't believe we get paid to do this, But Aaron, you know, and this is like our cruise, become our family. And you have spent and you know, Aaron, the twenty years on the road with various different crews, whether it was at ESPN and of course at Fox for this part of your career.

But it's like you get so close with these guys that they become your brothers and your family and spending holidays together. Yep. And you do with the players too, especially teams that you see a lot. I was really tight with that Seahawks team when I wasn't able to be on their sidelines. Pam did their sidelines. I was on the broncos I was a mass like that hurt. I wanted to be with my boys and like their pr was inviting me to their party that night when

y'all won in New York. So yeah, you become really really tight. Sure, what is something about this side of the camera maybe that you didn't know about? I mean, you've been are in front of a lot of cameras when you did this with that you know us, and we interviewed it and stuff like that. But what's the one thing that's like, all right, this is a tad different. Yeah, it was what you're talking about earlier, but you're you're

not giving yourself enough credit. Interview In his heart, interviewing is tough like no one because you gotta be reactive all of somebody else. You gotta have prepared question, and then you gotta know when it script away and just go with what the moment is. And even in the moment, you got to know how much I'm letting them just just breathe and let him go, or how much I need to get this question in, And then I got a time limit and I got people in my ear,

and it's like, good, You're so good at it. Though, how about the people in your air business. Huh that's a whole other level, right, that's a whole other level. Yeah, I have to, like were a somber face to not laugh because I'm waiting I have with I get to goofy on on camera, so they'll say something my ear and I be like, no, it's one of the I mean, this guy the other day, he's leaning into the desk arrand and it's a black surface desk, so there's a reflection.

He's making sure he doesn't have any figures so I don't need any backs in the cave, and like he doesn't know we're on TV or not on TV, Like this guy just saying it. So the moment that stands out to me, and it's well documented. Your critique of Russell Wilson, and there's there's a whole backstory to that. But I know that you also are still a good

person and you do care about people. But that moment when we're standing in Denver and you lost your ship and said run the ball, run the ball like that was like my errand moment on the sideline with you just like losing, and I was like, well, this is gonna be fun with this dude. But it's just who you are, all right, right right? I wish I could turn it off. I had. I had a Rams game that we were prepping for that weekend, so you guys

were on my TV right here. We were on a zoom getting ready for the Rams game, and Bobby came on and we started talking to him, and I said, hey, I got your boy on right here on the pregame. You know, he's just fired up. He's like, I gotta get home and watch this. How do you summarize that time sure in the Legion of Boom and that ten years and just that run that you guys had. I think in totally how many years did you have in Seattle? Seven had seven? Okay, so which was seven eight? That

that run that you guys went on. How do you put into words that experience because such a great group, but just even the back to back Super Bowls and what you guys did in that city, I mean my nieces and nephews, it was like Blue Friday and like it just changed that whole place. It was unbelievable. You know, it's hard to really put that into words because it was so unexpected but kind of expected a little bit,

you know what I mean. So it's hard to like because we worked really hard and it started so early on that people aren't gonna believe in whenever they do the like documentary about it. But during the lockout, because that's when I got drafted. It was a lockout year. We we weren't allowing locker rooms or nothing. We weren't allowed to talk to the teams even when you got drafted.

And I had flown out to Seattle on my own time, and I was staying with Walt Thurmott and all we had was each other, and so he we would go to Earl's house. Earl had a house on the lake and we just hang out there and you know, everybody would be there. We shoot the stuff, and then we go to l A Fitness and hoop and you know we rided his jet skis and what lost his sorts on the jet ski. You know, we're pulling each other, we're doing dumb stuff. We're young. Um, not in the

contract right right, We're not on the contract right now. Yeah. Uh. But we go to play at l A Fitness after landing and written down the street from the facility and Jamal Crawford is there, like it's probably like people there and yeah, they run. They get some good runs in with those guys, get some really good and so it's me, cam Earl and walk is our team, and I think we had one other guy, one random guy, but we

were running them off the first off camp. I thought An was Lebron that day because he was his jumper was falling like they're going shot was shot him in Jamal, I'm like, okay, damn, that was just his best day ever. He was just in rhythm that day. He's not normally liked that, but um, but we're communicating like we're playing great defense, like we were not losing the game that day,

and we had never really played with each other. We had never really I mean, it was like the second day of us meeting second or third day, and it was just such an amazing chemistry and like togetherness, and it was like, all right, y'all, y'all do it's pretty cool. So fast forward through our first season, you know, we get closer and closer. I got start to the sixth game of the season. But when I first start, Earl

comes up to me. He's like, hey, hey, if they ever come inside, if they ever released inside, I got it. Don't even worry about it. Like, so play for the faith, play for the goal. If they go inside, I got you. And we had Victor Cruz that day. We have Victor Cruz and all his little yeah, I mean, his saucea dancing. So I played for the faith, play for the faith. He breaks me to the faith and goes inside. I'm like, so, I'm I'm head down hit there like damn, Like I'm

getting beat. Like this is my first I'm getting significant playing time. I didn't start the game, but I'm getting a lot of playtime. Here comes Earl picks the ball off, and I'm like, okay, all right now we were cooking with grease out here, like it's such a trust, you know, And so it developed then and obviously fast forward over time,

our relationships, our trust. They're like my brothers. You know, we know each other's kids, we know each other's families, go to everybody's you know, kids, birthdays, go to the and so when when it came down to football, that was just like you're playing with your family. Like we got really good players with plan with our family. So then when mistakes happen, our adversity happens, it's not like everybody's point fingers. It's like, hey, you're good. Like it's fun,

ain't it. We'll get up off the ground, but we're about to come back. We got it so good. Hey, I got so that defense. Obviously, I don't need to tell you just how unbelievable you guys were. And you and I have talked offline about dan Quinn, who I know every time we interview him with the Cowboys, he goes on and on when he compares players. Your name is always brought up when he talks about his secondary.

Your name is always brought up, Diana, ask you with a dan Quinn defense, is that the defense in Dallas that could slow down the Philadelphia Eagles? I have them Christmas Eve, if I have to choose the sideline. He's the winning sideline. What am I looking at here? And that could very well be. I don't know if they can be an NFC championship game. I don't think that's possible. They could be probably the divisional right, I'm not sure.

My math blows. I'm not good at this. But if we see them in postseason, we'll see them Christmas Eve. What do you think about that matchup? Because they're the two hottest one could it could happen. It'd be a long shot because you need like us, you need like him to win in a six or seven seed. Now many many could lose, you know what I mean? So you you can theretically, like you could have Heinek or somebody go up there and be hottest fishery start Detroit, be as hot as they are and go up there

and cause problems to somebody. But I would say yes. I would say dan quinn defense with the personnel that he has, and and him feeling good and trusting his guys and having the corners that he has, he trusted. His corners obviously have the injury, but Diggs is really good. They got to pass where they have the linebackers they have the safeties, So yes, I think he could slow it down and they did, they did in the first

game for the most part. But offensively that's where you're concern you know, they're not like that's why they like with Jordan Davis coming back with Sue now limb Ville, Like they don't have the glaring holes and weaknesses that they did the first time they had where you should be able to just put it down the throat. And so that's where it's tough because with the dan Quinn defense, you also need a great running game. I want to ask what's wrong with the box um the Dolphins line

that has just spooked Tom? You know what I mean, Like he don't have any trust, Like he has an immense trust and his ability to stand back there and like that's why he's not pushing the ball down the field very often because he don't think he has time to do it. And every time he does, something bad happens, like it's a holding car or somebody's coming to rock his boat. Is that what's off with him? And Evans we were talking about that after the game. We're like,

what's going on there? It's probably a number of things like and and it's just no report, you know what I mean, there's not a huge deal like him not coming to training camp, but that is the time a lot of dudes built that foundation, that trust, that cohesion of like, hey, that report and they've played together for a number of years now, so it shouldn't have been that far. Yeah, I'm just gonna say they played together. So what is that? Yeah, this some of it is unexplainable.

Some of it I just don't really have answers. The offensive line, losing Jensen, losing Tristan, you know, losing the guards. If they would have came back with Kappa and the that same line, I think they'd be the exact same team. I mean, they'd be similar. They lost They lost Shock on defense, which is their leading rusher. He's the kingpin of what they do in the past rushing game. They've been beat up in the secondary. You know, Winfields missed a bunch of games, and some of the guys just

aren't playing up to the level they've played before. So for your career, and this is kind of this is a psychological question, but like of emotion, was the emotion harder to lose? Like, did you feel the loss of a super Bowl or was it better to win kind of thing, like, of course it's better to win. What I'm trying to say, it was the emotion more intense losing or winning a Super Bowl. Losing, I mean, just because build I hate losing more than I love winning,

you know what I mean. That's what drives me more. It's not the desire to win. It's that I hate to lose. I refuse, you know, and when you lose insanity and compounded in the way that that loss happened. Do you think it was worse because you guys thought you would won that Super Bowl? And no, it was harder because of what we have went through to get there. You know what we have to overcome to get there.

You go through the NFC Championship and that freaking chaotic emotional game where you're down sixteen oh at the half to the m v P of the National Football League. You've had everything bad that could happen to you, and you felt like you've played a pretty good game defensively. Then I hurt my elbow and earl terraces labor and his shoulder and you're just out there like one arm and one shoulder and we're like we're gonna battle to

the end. We don't expect to win. Where down nineteen the three and they're like, hey, do you want to go to the locker room and get X ray with Tim Inster go in the game and like, I mean, it's not looking great. I'm like, no, I'm a soldier

this out. We're gonna at least die on the sword, you know what I mean, with our guys and go out here and then we come back and win it, and then to get back to the super Bowl and then be all beat up like we are shoulder and then the day before the Super Bowl, cam Terce is mcl and you're like and then so you you you got on this on your back and you're like, we're battling.

We're battling. We're battling, battling. So that's where it hurts more, where it's like we've sacrificed so much to get here, We're already playing so much pain, through so much expectation, and then for that to happen, you're just like mm hmmm, huh, Hey, all right, that's a I would have preferred to die on the store. Hey do you think if after that first super Bowl win, a lot of people don't know this. I do because I was trying to make it happen,

but then unfortunately got hurt in that Super Bowl. If you hadn't gotten hurt and you had, like originally thought, competed on Dancing with the Stars, you probably would have won that many ball, Wouldn't you know? What? I was paced because I was like, my man is coming on my show. I'm it's gonna be a whole thing, exciting, excited. Sure, you've got the Richard Sherman podcast, your dream podcast. Guest is well arresting Peace would have been Muhammad Ali. I

would have had a lot of questions for him. I would have had a ton and Kobe Bean, you know, a good friend again, you know, rest in peace. But those are probably two that I would need on the show. And we would hey time limits to turn the time off because we got a lot to talk about. Um, I just was gonna ask you, it's the question that we were all thinking when we left that stadium yesterday, and if we potentially see them weeks seventeen eighteen on Fox,

I'm not sure. If you are Vegas and you're San Francisco and you are loaded on both ends, do you try to get Tom Brady and do you think he'll go there next year? And you're talking about Tom going to Vegas. That was McAfee's whole thing today. I hadn't even thought about Vegas. We were saying, and I flat outside. Did John lynchd Vegas? I did? I said, both McAfee's talking Vegas today because of McDaniels and what they have on offense and how they're all in on defense. There's

also the San Francisco part. Now, who knows what's going to happen personally with his You know, his kids are on the East Coast. He's got a son in New York. But I'd love to do some home games in San Francis guy. Um but, I mean he's California kid, East Coast. He's been the East Coast for the last twenty five years. Um but, And Kyle got one for you, New Orleans Saints Sean Payton goes back to New Orleans and takes Tom with him. Yeah, but are they watch it one

either one of those teams? They have enough and defensively they get healthy, they get healthy. They probably need another conformation is terrible. He's in it and he's been in it. He loves Sean. It was the whole Miami thing originally that was supposed to be them, Like, I don't know, I just don't feel like that's also I think it's a lower lower probability he goes to San Francisco than that craziness of New Orleans going with Sean. That that

that would probably because San Francisco. It just would be if party does anything this year, you know, and it's gonna be hard for him not to, like if he's playing like he is now, if he just plays like it'll be like rich Gannon and Ilford when they took those defensively strong teams to those Super Bowls and you're like, I mean, you didn't have to do anything but not mess it up. And he's doing more than that, you know, not don't take anything away from me, he's doing more

than that. But that's all he has to do is not mess the game up. Like if they get in the playoffs and they have a run of like, hey, maybe they in the first round, they got the Giants, second round, they got Minnesota, third round, they get to the MC Championship and got the Eagles, that would be like, but then I want to know about Super Bowl, Super Bowl. I had San Francisco casey this year and the defense

couldn't keep up. Now they were injured. Damiko Ryan said, but do you like second matchup San Francisco Kansas City now that they've you know, been a part of that blowout, can they handle it? I think they're more than up to the task. I think prior that's the hard thing in this league, Like you blow a team out, you piss them off because they're still grown men with pride and they're really talented team. On top of that, they didn't have Eric Armstead in that game too, and he's

the kingpin. He's the one that is and you might have to bond Kimlaw back by then. And so it gets crazier for San Francisco as they get healthy, and every year it seems like this. They're they're beat up early and then later on you're like, oh, yeah, they got that guy, Oh what about that guy's Oh yeah, that guy you know, like Elijah Mitchell's coming back. And you'll come back just in time, and you'll look up and you'll be like, damn, look at chereon we have

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