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It's it's very nice. I hope you guys come and enjoy. Obviously to Landy Walker's there as well. Let's get into it, boys, what do we want to talk about first at the weekend?

Is that all the housekeeping stuff we need to talk about?

Well, what do you want to talk about?

I'm just sitting I feel like I'm sitting in this busy surrounded by the enemy. Do you want to tell the people what you're talking about? Yeah? Volog dropped last Thursday on Halloween, of all the boys, all of BUS and TP in my house, TP and the boy Will how did that make you feel TP and A in the in the game of TP and in the game of Mischief Night. I respect it. I'm a fan of Mischief Night.

Shoutout rocket power.

Yeah, shout out rocket power. It was the in between that's got me, that's got me bothered, It's got me rattled.

The in between being Wednesday was when we did TP. You're talking about Thursday before.

Yeah, when I when I because I was in Chicago. I flew to Chicago Wednesday night, woke up Thursday morning the neighbor group chat. Hit the chat saying like, hey, do you guys have any extra toilet paper? We're out right now with a photo of our house being our tree and tree being t PEED. I saw that. So I'm going back and forth, back and forth a little

First, which is wild.

He's using you know, I got got, I got got the end of the day. At the end of the day, I get over the TP part. I don't forget. I don't forget who lied to my face. I don't forget who lied to point all of them, everybody who didn't lie to you me. Yeah, but you were are you? He was like, Yo, I'm ready to go wherever you need me. I'm just like, I'm texting Tailor like I'm just disappointed because I'm thinking my head like it gotta

Right just knowing that you're essentially alone right now.

Yeah, yeah, you know that there's nobody. Trust I get my ass absolutely beat by the UCLA Bruins on Saturday, and you're just like, I got nobody right now, I got nothing to root for I'm just a whip dog. I'm a whip dog. I see South Carolina win. I want to say congratulations to JP, but I don't want to say no. I didn't text. He tried texting me about the brass. He's like, hey, you know this and that. I just look at it. I put my phone down. SUREM, I feel shuream. He's texting me every now and then.

Will and I went to a lunch on Wednesday, and then we obviously did.

A lunch, a big lunch to where Taylor and I we sat in my truck and we had a great.

Heart talk, a great heart to heart talk like one you look back and you're like, man top five probably.

Yeah, yeah, yeah dead friendship seems strong.

Wednesday night we did what we did and literally Thursday home, yeah, which we did. Unpack that in a second. Then Friday morning at what nine thirty, Yeah, we have a breakfast. We have a breakfast. We have to span on that Wednesday conversation, have.

A big conversation, right, So we.

Have a Friday breakfast and I have not spoke to Will about this. Literally, once the blog comes out, we don't even speak to her. I'm thinking of myself.

He sends me a text, what's happy Halloween? We had the devil face, the smiley devil face. I just right back, Happy Halloween. Yeah.

So I don't even know. I think I'm out of showup to this breakfast by myself. Will and I we I walk into uh stay Golden.

Late for the music, late for the breakfast.

We see each other, we smile and then obviously business faces and we we spent sixty percent of that breakfast just talking about all the things that transpired Thursday afternoon when he was interrogating all of you, and what went through his head that he kind of basically explained a little bit. Now we'll gohd tirm.

Hey, boss man, mister Compton, a quick question. We heard tell that there was possibly a rat amongst us, somebody that gave you a little intel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that happened. I mean again, when I left on Thursday, I knew that a vlog was coming out. I didn't know what time it was, and I knew that it was everybody in the building that got me. Who is the rat? I don't know. You was fucking ratting some people out in a way as well. You was ratting too, yea.

That said it.

Where we were talking, I was talking about the scope of the game and everything else, like you was even alluding to ship as well. You alluded to the ogs on the bus tour. In my brain then I saw, I'm like, I'm thinking, like, oh damn, JP's involved on this, because he's been trying to ally me the entire morning.

It's going the way you wanted, shermtone this question.

You let him split us up, do not let him slit us up there. But I was that there was one rat.

But still you were bullshitting too.

Yeah.

You were like, hey, who's not here right now? I was like, well, Taylor's not here? But he's never really here.

Okay, hold on yeah.

On Thursday, thay, yea on Thursday.

Yeah.

And I'm like, no, I got he's never here. I got you. But I'm thinking Taylor, Taylor's involved in this. I already understand that. I'm thinking who else? And you're trying to get me to pay you when I've already given you, which is fucking crazy. When I've given you a couple of weeks, a couple of weeks ago, unexp offensive grill that'd have loaded into your truck, and I'm thinking, you want to give you more when I feel like I've given you enough. So he's like, you know, let

You said when you left Thursday you knew, so someone had to tell you.

No one told me, No one told me who said it? Then? If I'm mine, who said it?

I heard that demon snitch on the boys?

Who'd you hear that?

For those who don't know who demon is? Going say his full name, Jared.

Jared's one who pulled the gun. If you watch the blog, he's the one who had a gun. What are you doing her?

I heard guns slinging Beamon aka demon?

Okay, well here here we are again. Who'd you hear it from?

I have my sources. You a little bit of a little bit of scratch. I can put you in the right direction.

Sure you can't blackmail your bosses?

Is that black man? No, you're trying to get more reward from a brother's nothing to be rewarded from.

That's not blackmail.

Yeah, the inpos out there, that's a good point.

That's a good point.

So who said who said that? Jared rated demon?

Demon? Demon told me? Demon ratting on himself. See what's happening here, boys, is we are slowly getting torn apart. This might be the thing that ends busting with the boys.

Nobody told me.

Yes, I knew, yeah, but bro, he texted me, I'm disappointing. Wait.

Wait, that's when I called JP and I was like, what the fuck happened? He snitched without snitching? How did he do that? I can't tell you. Listen, I'm the one surrounded by all you guys. Why would I why would I say anything to help you out? Boys?

We know what we have to do. We gotta get Beaman. We gotta end Beaman. We had to blow up his house or something. Oh, he's an apartment. We got to steal his cat, mister pupper Nicol? What's his dog? What's his cat's names? Biscuits? Just a man that lives by himself with a cat. We're taking that cat. We're taking that cat.

Does he have a girlfriend? Is it his girlfriend's cat?

He said that, He says they got it together, but it's at his place?

What is no?

No, you don't get a cat together with someone you don't live with. You get a cat, right?

God damn.

I did almost like a photo it the other day because I had to go to pet Smart. I was kind of banged up on a couple of cans, and I'm just standing in line with cat food in my hands, and this dude in front of me is a cart with like three bay ass bags of dog food. Looks back at me and kind of like smirked and then stayed back and liund like God damn it. Yeah, dude, I don't control my world. I'll tell you guys right now, I do not cold when I go home. I'm a minority.

I'm saying, well, you had, up until that point, you had an ally outside of your household. And I would think to myself, like I can count on Will. What a loyal Like what an incredible friend. And I'm gonna go in Tpe's house while he's gone.

This is the same incredible friend. I can't wait for Michigan's downfall. Lie when I lie to you?

I said it to your face, though.

But when did I When did I lie to you?

When did I lie to you? What are you talking about? Are you want the T when you're saying, oh, is this the part where you blame me for TP in your house? Will?

I didn't do it wherever you need me? And I thought I didn't say I didn't do.

It well because part of me sits there. The damage has already done. And I don't want to have to ask the question because I don't want you to lie to me through text.

Oh let's see.

Uh.

Will Compton just well he sends a gift, black guy doing this and what a gift?

Will?

What do you want? How can I help you? Text me back? Just disappointed?

Lool? And what is this the part where you start blaming for the TP?

Uh?

We still get a stake gold tomorrow? And then no response. I didn't say nothing about I did it or didn't do it. You knew I fucking did it. My brain went to my neighbor did it? Is just crazy? You should have seen that photo immediately thought to yourself, Taylor.

Well, because I woke up in the morning, Uh, my phone was there was already text suit, So I kind of look, you know, I'm kind of like I need to get in the shower. I need to go get over to HQ to do the Pro Football Football Show. And so I'm just thinking that, you know, my neighbors had fun and just got the solo tree because they're like, hey, is there any more you guys have any more TP We've ran out and they were the ones that sent

I want you guys in the back of the bus to know that I've already hired security. I have security at my house at night every night from here on out. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna come out the house sometime find out.

Mitch, whooah. Aren't you guys on the same team?

You bro? You know this was this was nine individuals. This is nine individuals working as one for one night. Now we know, yeah, we think of what's next. Who's next?

Said I couldn't be part of it, said I couldn't be part of it. Maybe that's maybe that's part of it as well. But I'm not gonna get revenge. You don't got to worry about that.

Yeah whatever.

You know what they say about revenge on the journey to revenge start by digging two graves, one for your enemy and another for yourself. I disagree with Marcus Aurelius. The best revenge is to be unlike the person who injured you.

Frank Sinatra, the best revenge is mass success.

M James Bond just saying, I just I just want guys to know disappointed. I'm hurt and I won't forget.

Let's continue the hurt. What happened with UCLA and Nebraska this weekend?

Dog, I don't know, man.

It was an off day for Raola. Off day.

Yeah, just tough. You know, you take Ohio State into the fourth quarter and you'd think you're not gonna allow a two and five team to come in to Memorial and beat you right, handle you kind of like to handle this. We came on late. But again it's like even if we would have won that game, you know, the speech and locker room is like, guys, we gotta get we gotta get rolling sooner. We can't wait until the second half to get to get shit going.

You got to start the fight.

Yeah, yeah, you gotta start because even coming out of the second half, you throw we throw a pick six. Yeah, man, it sucks. Man. I don't I don't know. I don't have I don't have words for the uh, for the fan base. I do know. We're sitting at five and four right now, with a bye week and three winnable games. UCLA was a winnable game for US. I think everybody before the year started, you chalk Ohio State up as a loss, whether or not we felt like we had

Don't even say it.

I'm saying but, but that's like the reality. That's the reality, and that sucks. What the positive is? Yeah, the positive we can be eight and four. But I'm not inside the building. I'm not oneide the locker room. I'm not inside those kids' minds. Like, I know, you sit there and you can win out and you know, ended on a good note, go bowling again. We had the opportunity to go to to uh to be eligible for a Bowl game with a win over UCLA. We still do each game, but we got to figure it out on

Yeah, man, I get it.

I know.

I know the pain.

I'm dealing with the team with the same record.

Yeah, but you know the same record, Like we're obviously different programs. Right now, what do you mean, we've had a Come on, man, we have the same record, I know. But you guys, you guys won a national title last year, Like everybody knew this would be kind of a rebuild year for you guys.

Do you think it was gonna be this.

I don't think it was gonna be this.

Vegas didn't think so Vegas has it nine and a half wins?

Was it nine and a half? Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think I imagined Michigan being in the spot that you guys are in right now. I knew that there'd be a rebuild like you guys could have probably been like a nine and three ten and two tie team as well. I was thinking before the year started with it coming down to probably the Ohio State game at the end of the year. Yeah. No, I absolutely did not, thank you guys would be in the spot that you're in now.

To me, it's with Michigan. If we just had a more of a consistent play at quarterback, we're in a much much better position right now.

Now.

I don't I don't know who we have. We got Indiana an the end of this week. That's a tough ball club. That's a ridiculous ball club.

Then after that you've.

Got Northwestern winnable and then Ohio State at the end of the year. And I'm telling you, dude, you just throw records at the window when it comes to these kind of rivalries. You see Ohio State with Nebraska last.

Week for sure, like Ohio States to be able to be in a close in close games that they shouldn't.

Be and Michigan mentally has them right now, right mentally has them.

So in the mentality plays because you look at the you look at this past weekend with Ohio State Penn State. Yeah, it's like Penn State's I mean, they got the roster to compete and the way that two.

Yard line and they're in the same play three times in a row. That's just wild. People are already saying, James Franklin, we got to get rid of this guy. Team is consistently ranked in the top ten every single year and then people.

Are called I want to say, a crazy stat that I saw is that Penn State is like one in twenty two since two thousand and yeah, since two thousand with James Franklin, he's now one in thirteen one.

Been there top five teams, You're saying right, yeah, yeah, verst a top five, which is it's a it's a horrible feeling to be in that sort of position. Penn State yet one and twenty two against top five teams is two thousand. That's just fucking tough. And that game was winnable, very winnable, which is crazy.

I know, man.

Through a pick six.

Refs are always sussing the fucking big ten.

Dude. Refs just need to fucking calm down a little bit. There is too much laundry on the field. Let the boys play, let them get a little chippy, let them get after little bit.

That's fun.

You want to enjoy that, Let's let's flip it over some positive. Well, actually, one more thing, Dan Lanning, you're a piece of ship for going for scoring with fifteen seconds left in the game.

Covered, that's all I say. Late cover by landing.

I like landing.

I know that.

Don't fucking pull the photo up.

They're just playing ball. He has no clue.

He could have took a kne and moved on.

I'll tell you this. Head coaches have no clue what spreads are. That is such a fun.

Take the photo off the screen, Take theode that was that was a few weeks ago. That was that was uh me celebrating in Ohio state loss.

Was what that was.

That was me celebrating Ohio State loss. We don't need to have that on the screen.

You know what's great about that photo is it all played out in reality, like he's got you by the shirt, pulling you around. Relax. I'll just say he celebrated with you just knowing like I'm about the dummy. Yeah, literally just holding me by the dummy.

That's like a movie scene from The Departed, like so many people just he just helped me with something, but knowing he's gonna get me in just a moment. Yeah, heartbreak, hotel dude.

Heart. Yeah.

That was a tough game and we were fucking in it too. We were in it. We'd go for a fourth down in the red zone to get it, don't get it.

They end up scoring.

It's just.

And also back shoulder throw in Oregon's first drive, there's a back shoulder throw on ball. They kicked the pat Will Johnson on Will john Will Johnson didn't play. He didn't play that game.

Is he number two?

He's number two, but he didn't play.

Yeah, that was on him.

Bro I'm telling you he wasn't in the game. He had here's a lower legg injury. He did not play. I even googled it. Oh yeah, twelve yeah, the one snuck in there, but he drops this ball. They kicked the pat and then they show the replay. You guys are gonna tell me, we have all this technology in the rule now, all these camerangles, and no one's gonna

I don't know if you guys are ever winning.

But what are you talking about? Thirty yeah, thirty eight twenty one, Yeah it was Moonmoir was close. Yes, thirty eight seventeen lay cover.

Thank god, I play an.

I just crazy that Landing wants to do that to the raiding national champs. That's wild.

Wait, the new Apex Predator, man Ducks, the Ultimate Apex Predator is now a done. One of the most fragile things out there is going to be in the Big Ten championship. Indiana and organ I think so too, Yeah, I think so to.

Indian is a strong ball club. Who is Spagnetti? What's it these days?

Signetti?

That guy with him hitting the press conference google me I win quote like dude, that is and then just continues to do what he does. You put on an Indiana ball game right now, the commenteers are saying, this guy from Olivar and that guy from FSU. This guy transfers out the ass. This dude said, fuck a rebuild. We're gonna go in to blooming was it Bloomfield? Bloomingdale? What the hell is is this Bloomington? And we're just gonna rewrite history with this ball club. That is nuts.

It's gonna come down to that last game of the year Indiana at Hawaii at at Hawaii at That's gonna be the plane that game. Yeah, that'll be an awesome game. Yeah, I mean Indiana. Indiana's playing well, man, they're rolling ranked.

You gotta watch Michigan. They gotta watch out from Michigan. I'm just telling you.

For sure, they can't like overlook any of these games. Is he sorry? So here's our predictions. The first college football playoff. Like ranking comes out tonight as you're listening to this episode, and we had some rankings at the beginning of the year. Let's see how we've done. I have in there Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, Florida State, Oh my god, what a brutal pick the ACC now is gonna be SMU or yeah, yeah, SMU or Miami. Then I had Alabama. I don't think they get in Oregon, Utah, which, yeah,

I'm gonna skip over my first name that I have Michigan, yep, but I'm gonna go Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Notre Dame, Ole, Miss Ohio State, l s U, Tennessee, Alabama, MISSOO. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. And then I had Iowa in there as well. A couple of yikes right there.

How many do you think it's in from the SEC? You guys have a better pulse on the SEC. Right now, SEC is wide open. It's wide open. All of college football is wide open.

Probably three Georgia, Texas, Georgia Tennessee play next. Now this coming weekend with the next Tennessee, we have Missippi State, then Georgia, and then I feel like it'll probably be pretty cemented in who's going to be in. But then you have Tennessee closes with Vandy and they could they could shake ship Vanderbilt, so kind of scary. But yeah, I think probably Georgia, Texas, Ole, miss or Tennessee.

Where is the Vandy Tennessee game?

I believe it's at in Knoxville.

It's in Knoxville, is it?

You go?

That's gonna be.

Feah Yeah, I'll go tier for sure.

How many South Carolina had a massive win bro over A and M you guys finish out being a three loss team, Like, there's gonna be a few three loss SEC teams that are going to be argued about to get in the collegetball playoffs.

There's so many good three loss team Yeah, yeah, and really the it's so funny just with Vanderbilt, Like this week, South Carolina versus Vanderbilt is massive.

Big implications, huge implications.

I know, I have to go to a freaking wedding in Franklin. So I'm gonna go Friday night to the hotel. See if I can see if I can't, talk to the team, talk to Beamer, make sure we stay on the right path.

Bru No, I.

Mean the fall. Isn't this your second one?

Yeah, fall weddings.

In the fact that it's here in town, I know, Yeah, that's painful.

Brutal, but yeah, dude, it's gonna be.

This is the best year possible to have a twelve team playoff.

This is gonna be.

It's yes, Like last year you saw kind of the top six, seven teams, it was, it was pretty much laid out where it was at.

But this year it's like who.

Knows and what everyone has shown blemishes Georgia this week against Florida and literally could have lost. That was rooting for Florida to win that game, just because I love chaos, like nothing against the dogs. You just kind of put it on. You're like, oh, ship, yeah, let's see this go down right now. Always rooting for Vandy for some gotta be.

Yeah, it's gotta be Oregon. Oregon has to be I feel like head and shoulders above everyone else, not head and shoulders.

Yeah, like as of right now, the way their.

Season has gone to they do get better every single year.

Here's what I worry about, dude, is when we were in Oregon watching the Sohiono State, like you see Ohio State run out of tunnel, their boys are bigger, like just talking about like in the trenches. Their boys are bigger, stouter, like they had a look about them that Oregon. I

And because every week from here on out, it's gonna have implications, which makes the college for a playoff that much more fun. It's like even with the NFL, when teams are like on the Friends, you're kind of like you're trying to play ahead to be like, Okay, they need this to happen. To get in the playoffs. That's just gonna be happening with college football.

But yeah, because dude, being in the locker room and being like, okay, all right, if the Colts dropped two out of three and this team and you're just like in that moment of like, oh we still have a path of the play offs, right, that is like the best feeling. Actually that's actually not the best feeling. The best things when you already locked it up, you got a.

First sea scroll down on this top twenty five, Like, yeah, the worst team right now is ranked twenty five. Louisville and Vanderbilt at twenty four and twenty five, both at three lost teams. Like every team in the top twenty five has a has a path. Like if you're in the Big twelve or the ACC, maybe not as much, but if you're in the SEC Big ten's got some cats.

One thing that people are bringing up is Army plays Notre Dame in two weeks. Army is still undefeated.

If Army don't know don't know. But if Army.

Beats a top ten Notre Dame team and then they win the American and Boise State wins out and wins the Mountain West. Under the current rules, there's only one group of five champion that would like you make it if you're the top ranked conference champion of a group of five? Right, But could Army or Boise still sneak into that top twelve just based solely on their record? Like, have both Boise and Army make it?

I mean if Army is undefeated, man, if they especially if you're sitting.

Here State Florida State was undefeated last year.

Yeah, but that this is a yeah, there's a twelve team playoff. Now, I think if you're sitting there and I think there's all these good teams in the SEC. But if you're sitting there arguing over SEC three loss teams to get in and Army sitting there undefeated, it's like you have to go. You know, That's why the regular season matters, Right, regular season matters?

Would you put him in over a one loss Bois and their only losses to Oregon the number one team?

Yeah? I don't know. This is gonna be awesome, Yeah, because if Notre Dame Notre Dame team, I think there they'd be out of it.

Scatable went off this week, dude, Yeah, it's fun.

Yeah.

I thought with this nil thing that guys would more, teams would separate themselves, like the kind of the premiere programs would separate more and more. But it seems like it's getting more scattered than ever. Like the teams are just coming out of the woodwork, grabbing these other five star guys that just didn't want to wait in line at these like Alabamas, at these Georgia's, and they're just going to other places. They're really they're really doing.

So it's gonna be sick. It's gonna be sick. Coaching is getting exposed, no doubt about it. And we want to hit some NFL Sure, we'll pop.

Into it, dude, let's pop in.

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Was it?

Drake London from Atlanta?

Did you see where that started from? No incarnate word, which is like a D two is school.

This wide receiver just randomly did it.

I love that. It's awesome he got a flag. I love that. But we all were struggling into the touchdown world. Now, something we're hopeful about. Christian McCaffrey will be active this week. Forty nine ers. We'll have to put that one in obviously, You right, Derrick Henry office you right? Yeah?

Are you talking about the boys parlay?

That one was on me?

That was on me.

This week, I picked de Andre Swift. Bro. It's a team. Yeah, it's a team every Thursday. It's a team effort. I know.

I thought I snuck one in though, because I saw him playing against the Commanders last week and I was like, this, Bro, this dude is really the offense, right and when the success comes with him, and I figured they get into the tight red zone and be able to put it in.

Yeah, there's nothing. Bears in trouble. Bears are in trouble. Yeah, I see Big Ketty, he's having a tough time. He's they're ready to fire ibra flus, iberfluss, ibraflus something.

It's that time of the year, man. People are just all over the place calling for people's heads, left, right and center.

Yeah, it's a scary time. It's a scary time to be a head coach in the NFL with a losing re Who do you think comes out of the uh? Yeah, that's another thing that happened. NFC South shake up. The Saints fired head coach Dennis Allen. They started off owing two. They've lost seven straight. Dennis Allen two and oh they start off two? And oh? What did I say?

They start off two?

And oh?

Outscoring their opponents, and like, I think they scored ninety points in their first two games.

Yeah, like we're just going off.

Michael Thomas gets on Twitter, He's going to start bad mouth Derek Carr and stuff like that, throwing crazy shots.

Crazy.

You see Derek Carr's press.

Conference that he handled it as well as he could.

Absolutely, I didn't see it. I'm not going to see it. I usually ignore the good and the bad by just trying to focus on my job. Derek Carr, true pro gotta love that.

Derek car is also out there throwing hospital balls toys.

Okay, that's what Michael Thomas said, So damn gonna That wasn't us, that was that was Mitch Carsley. The mit cars said that. Go and quote him.

I didn't see the fantasy lineup too. Thought it was gonna be bombs over back dad.

Getting close to that, to a territory of like should he play? Should he not play?

Oh? Really? He get hurt again off the field, stretchered.

That's the second there.

Yeah, it sucks.

The South right now is going to come down to the Falcons and Bucks.

I think the Falcons.

I think the Falcons too. Yeah, but it's gonna have.

They lost a couple of guys, dude, but don't sleep on Baker Mayfield.

I know, I know into it like the Bucks could still make the playoffs. That the NFC North is wide open. You got the Lions, Vikings, Packers. Now, the Lions are just a different fucking team.

They handled business all day yesterday against the Packers.

I think I think it was Orlowsky. He tweeted out this morning that in the last you know, however many games, they've put up ninety six points a plus north of one hundred you know, point differential. I mean, you got offensive lineman scoring touchdowns. They just absolutely destroyed teams. Man Randy game yesterday with the Packers came down to the wire. Packers are a tough team, well coached team, yeah, O'Connell. With the Vikings, they're well coach football team. The North

He's playing well, but he worries you about the consistency, like wins.

On the history. Yeah, based on the history of the Cardinals. I think it's gonna come down to either.

And then you see the commanders of the NFC East.

I think the commander. I think the Commanders win the NFC East. Bro I think the Commanders win the NFC I think I think the Eagles have the roster. I think when it comes down to coaching, the Commander's got it. Man. Saquan's a beast. He's changed the game. Like you look at Derek.

He's gonna change He's gonna change video games. Next year, they're gonna have the backwards hurdle. Is that not the most insane thing we've ever seen in our lives? And it wasn't even the backwards hurdle. It was the the juke followed by the spin, followed by the elongated lag to the turnaround. Yeah, he's off.

I mean those he thinks that's teenage mutant ninja turtleship right, that.

Is John Wick choreographed fight ship. Dude like that as if him and the dB.

Plan that.

Insane.

Bro just had his rear view mina.

If somebody's there, Bank just popped it on over. That is wild. That's football porn. You can go back and watch that video over and over again, just be like, Yo, this is unreal.

But the Eagles got the roster. I just think it when you know, coming down to situation, coaching and everything else, I think the Commander's got the edge there.

Dan Quinn's a stud he is, But dude, I just hype in the locker room.

Bro Jane Dais was playing well, obviously hurts he's a stud about head coach here, DQ Siriani, I'm going dan.

Quinn, listen, you get you get to the end of November, and that's when that rookie wall really starts to hit. Guys are so used to be putting to playing that third week, fourth week of November and college their first year in the league. More times than not, you see a drop off. And that's why I give the edge to the Eagles right now. I just think the Eagles

Yeah we can also a J Brown went down as well. Yeah, what do you have knee? Yeah?

I think like not like a little meniscus deal, like a small little minuses. That's always a real grade one m cl hopefully.

Like he was walking off and like finished the rest of the first half and then they came out for the second happen.

I think you tried to warm up and it was bothering.

Okay, all right, teasing peace to aj Brown front of the show, front of the show.

Yeah, also too, like just a receiver having the issues. It's like, yeah, I'm sure you know they're taking the right precautions and everything else, but sure.

Just popped it up.

Uh.

They Commanders and Negles haven't played yet. Theyself to play twice, so that that's gonna be some fun football to watch. Yeah, that's one to keep your eye on right there. I think you get December twenty second though, it's just.

I don't know division throwback. Wouldn't that be something fifteen Commanders in Philly Christmas Christmas game? It might have been Christmas Eve, but you know it's when the boy hit the dab sax Sam Brad or we we cleanched the East, We clinched the East on that day.

I'll tell you what this dude has. Selective CT just you think of things you can't think of the most basic shit sometimes, but you remember all of your highlights.

Selective. Oh but yeah, bro, the Jason Kelcey slamming the phone down, yeah, saying who's the yeah, dropping that F word hard? Now, who's the F word? Now? Dude did give him a little nuts. He kind of dropped him.

For a second, bro, which is crazy, I know.

But but Jason Shoulder, he's holding his beer, he's holding beer, he's on he.

Bent down, but he does give him the thing. Some dude on Instagram was like, basically clip the part where Jason Kelsey just slams the phone down and calls him who's the F wort?

Now?

Yeah, and he's like, Jason Kelsey should be in prison. Celebrities don't care about you. I don't even know who the no some dude on this it was like a sports thing on Instagram and I just I commented. I was like, this is the most bitch made clickbait clip effort.

Yeah. Yeah. Look at the end of the day, dude was talking crazy noise about his brother, like right next to him, and I understand the whole you know, having composure and walking away and this.

Person of status you should keep yourself above.

He's talking about his brother. He's talking about his brother. He understand on something. He's doing it with the phone like running up trying to like have a clip. So he takes his phone and slams it down and just fucking stomps it. I loved it, Yeah, Like I loved it. And I'm and I'm dead ass serious, like you are a pussy and you are fuck all the legal bullshit

If I see Jason Kelcey today, I'm gonna say X, Y and Z and he goes and does he thinks he's cool for a moment.

Yeah, you see him kind of maybe clinch his fist, swing that no explode it. Yeah.

And the thing is is like that's that's that's the problem too, is like you're you never would you run up on a dude like Jason Kelcey and say those types of words being built like that and think I'm just gonna get away with this.

Because I saw somebody. They're like, oh, it's gonna take some average joe at some point in time to beat the shit out of an athlete and that cuvil stop. It's like I I get what you're saying, but I'm telling you right now, those alpha type average jows that are out there, they're not walking up and running up on you, trying to clip you with the phone, trying to say this malicious stuff to your face like they know who they are, Like they that that's not what

And I thought it was a well orchestrated tweet.

Yeah, yeah, at that point in time, you just you know, there's certain things you're staying on in Jason. Obviously the it touched them with him talking about his brother, and I'm with it. I do I get what you're saying. Yeah, I do. I get what you're saying, because you would like to have the composure to just not hear it because you are you're going to a game, like just fucking forget about it. But he wanted to make that reaction. I'm pro Jason Kelsey, like I'm siding with the boy.

Yeah, yeah, I think we're all on Jason Kelsey side. Anybody not on Jason Kelsey side.

Mitch, Mitch, you know, Mitch, I don't know because you always talking about how can I get up on somebody and get a little lawsuit going and make some extra cash. You're always talking about that type of ship, those words. No, that that that was crazy. That was crazy. Yeah, dude's bitch for that.

Man.

That is a bitch made move.

I had a couple other things. The East, the Bills. I was kind of running through divisions. Who he think is gonna win these divisions? Uh? The NFC West, we already talked about that. Ye, the AFC West. Obviously, you got the Chiefs. The only ones who can make it interesting is probably the Chargers. But there are a few games back right now. I do think the Chiefs are going to drop a couple Miles Garrett went crazy. See three sacks in the first half. Yeah, my god. That

Do we think the Colts are able to catch the Texans at all? I think they could, but they have I mean, Digg's Acl Collins, he's out too lott of weapons done. Yeah, Joe Mixon and Tank Dell essentially.

Yeah, and they got similar schedules on the back half. I'm drawing a blank. Click on the Colts, click on their schedule. Yeah. I want to say both the Colts and the Texans have the Lions still. I want to say that Texans might have the Chiefs as well. But yeah, it'll be, it'll be. It's gonna be fun man football season. This is where it all starts, the matter November December.

Yes, this is where those team meetings are happening right now. Boys, we gotta get after it.

It kind of does Oh, Mitch, I know you love ball, but this is the best part of the year.

Oh, no doubt, but it's just like, fuck, a couple more months, we're not gonna have it.

Yeah, No, buddy, Mike Sullivan will always say, Hey, you're gonna blank. It's gonna be Thanksgiving, and here we are. It's almost here.

Yeah, Titans, Titans, A nice win, nice nice win.

The question everybody's asking right now is can they run the table?

Are they?

Can they get back on track?

Then they get back on track.

I will say I was leaving the Titans game yesterday, some guy came up to me and introduced himself. He was staying in line for the churro. So he goes, I want toroduce myself. I'm Will Levis's dad. It's all great to meet you. He goes, We're gonna have a great back half of the season. Yeah, said to my face. Feel good about it, love it.

Yeah, I'm curious what's gonna happen when Levis gets back in the fold. Because Mason's he's done enough, He's done a lot what I mean, Yeah, Calvin Ridley's getting he's getting his touches a lot more.

He had that one deep ball drop. You know I know you, Hey, you love that. You love that. Sometimes takes it takes win. It takes one, dude, did you get one?

Win?

All of a sudden, all that anger in the locker room, that cancerous cell that keeps growing, everyone keeps bitching about, Hey we got one. Just go just came back in days nuts.

I know that tipped one. Yeah, then get a little high. He didn't want it necessarily. You knew he was about to get smacked. He kind of had the t rex arms.

Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, Paul was running nice yesterday.

Dude.

It was a good it was a good looking big.

When we were there. We were there boys getting the boy went in.

Yeah, what happened to Cushion Bear?

Is that his name?

Cushion Bary? What what injury did he sustain for Corey to get in lower body? Okay, so they're saying he got hurt pretty bad. I'll have to look more into that. I will say this, all Titans fans listening the biscuit, Corey Levin under rated ballplayer, under rated ballplayer. Now, Corey, I will say this. You know what I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say that Corey is a strong he's a great run blocker. That boy knows ball,

He's a coach out there.

That was that was not Corey's fault. And the replay that did a great job at a great angle. Hit Mason Rudolph right in the hands, hit him right in the hands. I I feel good about Levin. I feel good about Levin at center. Dude, I'm just telling you, am I bias. Yes, absolutely, I love this kid and I want him to do well. I did make him. That's what I was going to talk about it, how much I've made Corey Levin With out me, Corey Levin

Yeah, I watching him.

You made him. Without you, guys like Jack Gibbons wouldn't have the confidence to keep pushing forward, undrafted cat at a Minnesota.

Guys like us, we make ourselves guys like hell, yeah, I made all the Yeah. I love seeing Gibby play he plays his balls off. Man. You can tell you just he has command of the defense. He knows what's going on. He fucking plays with his hair on fire flies around brom swag to him. I love it.

He's a more quiet Roberts playing.

Yeah, I love football.

Tians might do it, man, they might fucking turn it around.

Jack.

I heard you weren't at the Jack missed the second half of the football game.

Yeah, you or neither? You're right.

I love to go see my family.

I I had to go move my house. We had to get out by last night. It was nice to see the OT win on the phone, but.

That was the reason I was so fired up about the OT win. Obviously, I love seeing the Titans win. But your boy had the under under thirty eight games had the other thirty eight. Seeing us, seeing us win twenty to seventeen, I was like, God, there we go. I love the field goal. Now let's just make a play, you know, Moni hooker two picks, huge, huge.

And is it curse broken?

Right?

Tennessee one to Tennessee, Tennessee team's one.

Yeah, I think we can put that to bed. Now, I think we can put the Jets.

Let's fucking go times.

I feel like it's always November when both Tennessee teams catch a double dub. So yeah, yeah, there's always an exception once but maybe next week and two Titans got uh who is the Chargers and then Tennessee's got Missippi State. So if Titans go road win, you know.

Shout out the Titans organization. They they hosted the boys. We were there this weekend.

We had a lot of fun, a lot of love out there.

Shut out Bane, Bill Puffer, Yes.

Bill Puffer, is it Jared Puffer?

Jared Puffer. Sorry, that's what he his brother's Bill. Yeah, I'm thinking Bill Martin.

Yeah yeah, all good from the ball good but yeah, Titans, Master puff, massive love. We gotta we gotta figure out a way to pack that stand. We gotta figure out a way to get more Titans fans in Nissan Stadium, because if you're looking at your phone at all during the game, you're gonna hear a cheer. You don't know what happened one way or the other. Because they had lots of Patriots fans in that a lot of Patriot fans, so we'll see.

Man, that's kind of the theme though. But either way, you want to get to a game this weekend, next weekend, doesn't matter. Football season is here. We can't wait to get out to some games this fall with the help of game Time. Matter of fact, they are the official ticketing partner of Barsool Sports. Game Time we couldn't get everybody. We had about sixteen people at the game yesterday. Got eight of us on the in the suite with the sideline.

Yeah, Predators game tonight. You're gonna hit that Predators game tonight. Go watch and play the Kings. Baby, are you gonna chug the beer?

I don't know.

I kind of want to just keep it low, keep it low this time until they hand you well if they if they ask, I will do it.

I will do it.

It's kind of like what Burt said.

That's what I'm saying. If you don't want, you've got to set the expectation. Now.

I know I should text me like, but they got that, we got the Lexus Lounge. Uh, Taylor's mother's there, Taalen's grandfather's going. Obviously they're Canadians, so they're obsessed with hockey.

Just a good time.

When we were we were walking around this weekend, a couple people said, oh, I remember you from the from the JumboTron, so they she's win's got herself a little reputation. When she walks in the Bridge do arena. We'll see, man, we will see.

That means it's happening.

That my most proud moment as a father right there. God, that was so amazing. The smile in that little girl's face was all fucking time. So yeah, we're gonna go today, first one of the season.

Shall we jump into the episode, jump into the interview.

Yeah, absolutely, enjoy it.

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We wrapped it up this weekend, last weekend at their or. The last college stop was Tennessee. We were at the Patriot Titans game this weekend. The boys are done. I will be in the trenches starting next week. Baby number two comes, Baby number two comes, little girl. Hope everything goes well, but that begins. But now you know fall towards done. We had a hell of a run and uh yeah, enjoy this episode. Boys. Yeah, shout out. Sean Merriman, pray for a fight, love you big outside of kids.

Tase to Michael Vick, fresh out of jail, Fast out of jail. I was like, what field have they got as longer than forty yards? Why are you still fast?

Yeah?

Shout of jail motivated.

Some cats come out of prison. Mike Tyson when he came out of prison. He was just meaner and bigger and buffer than he's ever been in Are we rolling? We are rolling. Hey, let's give a round. Flash Merriman joining us on the bus. Just landed in Nashville, Tennessee. Just came to hang out with the boys. We appreciate you stopping by.

Man, appreciate it. I appreciate you not.

First off, want to give you a shout out for the coolest nickname of all time high school nickname lights Out. So when I was at Google and just doing a little bit of research on you, you put.

More time out of time out before you get into that story. I got to ask, Okay, do you remember responding to me on a Vernon Davis Instagram post?

Uh?

Is this by two thousand and fifteen?

Is this when he got kicked off the field? Was singletary?

No, this is when he was on Washington Okay, and he was doing like a like a sponsor post. Yeah, his shirt off and he was like dipping in some supplements and I was getting on just busting his ball, and Sean was like defending Vernon against me, like about to beat your ass. Yeah, I remember, I remember Veron like seaning.

Know that you were just busting ball, having a good time, having time. So just backstort like Vernon runs like my little brother, like brother, yeah, and I know versus like fifteen years old. I didn't know the relationship then.

You know, me see a mouthy white guy and you're like when I.

Was trying to scroll and see but he had he doesn't have posts like beyond like two thousand in nineteen. But it was back when he was on the same team. And I remember when Sean had responded to me. I'm just thinking, I texted Vernon my you know, let know good what I can't Oh he was laughing. He's like, oh, it's a good dude. He's a good you know Vernon the nicest. Yes, yes, yes, but I had do you.

Kidd me what you like? Sherman the back. You missed that official.

Hair with the the uh little flavor landing trip down there.

That thing is why I got a one.

I got a fresh wine, right.

Yeah, that was your That was your ice brinker at the bar, that little thing hanging down off the lip.

For sure. I got the LRG allergy was hot at that time too. Everybody had fun analogy.

That is so funny. But yeah, we as I was saying before we went down memory lane with you for a second, high school, Yeah, put four players unconscious in the first half of a high school football game. Yeah, what's real, man?

Yeah, so so so what happened. So what happened was it was it was a school that was like talking a lot. They were talking a lot of ship like leading up to the game. And my coaches when I was young, when I was then, they would egg me on by every clipping is to come out. Everything in the local newspaper. They would Washington Post, come out, they would send me everything, gassing me up. So I can't wait to get to this game now, And so I

Than well they thought you were like not, no, that was.

Yeah, and you know, not knowing that that I was youngest, you know. So like even when I got drafted, I was twenty years old. When I got drafted, I.

Was like a Bishop Sycamore situation. Yeah, right, that's a good poll.

And so uh and so that happened after the game, about twenty twenty five suits coming run under me and they said, you knock those kids lights out. And I just, you know, kind of played it off cool. I didn't think it was gonna happen. I said, yeah, you know what,

How old are you?

Sixteen?

Sixteen years on.

Yeah, and I came back every single day for two weeks, and finally she took me to go get this light switch with a hand, cutting the lights out on my right form and that became a thing. And so my freshman year at the University of Maryland, we were playing Georgia Tech. Actually this hit is on YouTube, and it was my first time playing on ESPN. It was a night Friday or Friday night or Saturday night game on ESPN. I wasn't starting, but they put me in the game

That's what I wanted to ask, how was the lights on first because that is the perfect yeah, like tattooed to chirp. As a freshman getting into college, all the seniors been like, hey, you.

Like that dude?

That was so I was so cocky too, Like I came in there like talking ship. I was like that that black sheep, Like, Yo, this dude, don't fucking believe you know, there's.

A couple of seniors getting in the corner, like we got to humble this dude. First day of practice.

Coaches like, hey, this guy's a psyches.

We had a Henderson, remember, yeah, yeah, e J Henderson buckets, one of the best, to me, the best linebacker to come out of Maryland ever. And uh, he would always just call me freshmen or he would like call me something else, and they nobody would call me anything until that hit. And so I finally came on a sideline and I got ea J and those guys came up to me. Denarl Wilson the same you know, defense coordinator here,

And that was the first was the first game, now, the first time.

I got in the game, like on that on the national level. That was it. Yeah, that was it.

That is fucking wild man. So why Maryland?

Uh? Because you know, for me, like I grew up in Prince George's County and at the time, like PG County, d C was bad, dude, like top five, top ten mertal capital of the country. Really yeah, And so so I wanted to you know, I had offers from everywhere, and I committed as a junior to h to Maryland. But from where we came from, nobody stayed home. Like everybody went to Penn State, you know, Florida State at the national Florida State was big, Ohio, They went to

If you showed up in Miami, you probably would have committed on the spot.

Oh for sure. Yeah, dude, they took me to the strip club or some shit out there. I would have been.

They do strip clubs like malls out there, the three stories. It's crazy, the whole time of convenience.

You were good at basketball and track.

Too, right, Yeah, basketball for sure. So I grew up uh on the AAU team. So in the same AAU team. It was like me, Michael Beasley, KD. Nolan Smith woud up going to Douke and he played I think for the playing the NBA for like six seven years. It was like ten of us. They went all through like the same AAU team and then The problem was I start, I started growing here, getting wider, and then everybody else, like Beasley and all these other guys, they just kept,

Was there anything like was it family ties? This stuff that kept you and kept you in Maryland?

Yeah?

Why you didn't want to visit any of these other prestigious D one programs.

Yeah, they did because I think for me, my coaches took care of me in high school. So we lost we were homeless. We lost our house house to fires because my mom couldn't pay to pay the bills and we so she lit candles because we couldn't afford the lights, and lights got cut off and gas got cut off and one of the candles that burned through and we burned a whole house down. And so I ended up

When you so you talk about being homeless, you're losing your house all that, and then you know, having the success you did in the NFL and have this entrepreneurial spirit you had, Where did that come from? Because obviously, given the circumstances you just laid out for everybody, it would be easy to fold and go into this life that you know, you should probably see a lot of people around you going into what was different for you?

It was it was different man, because you like when we when I was growing up, you started seeing like all the dealers and stuff drive up and they got benches, you know. But I'll say this though a lot of like the of the of the drug dealers and stuff where we grew up at They never let me stay around, so like if something was ever going down or something was around, they were telling me to leave the basketball court,

As they tell you, Hey, something about to go down here.

You out here?

Oh yeah, no way.

Leonard Fournette, I think he told a similar story growing up because he was so talented in high school and all that. There were like anytime any of that stuff was going to go down there like hey, you got to get out of here. That's kind of a nice little deal.

When did you know you were going to be a guy in the NFL, Like while you're playing in college.

Well, probably knocks for people unconscious and.

So uh my after that game that I had my sophomore year was my first big interview with ESPN because I was like ranked in the country now coming out in high school? Do I got no media training? Like, we don't where I come from, We didn't never, no one ever put a camera in our face and tell us what to say. So at that point I'm speaking from the heart right, So the reporter come up this. Remember they had the old school tape recorders and the recorder and they let you talk. So we pres tate recorder,

Sorry, could you hey, just being like a six foot two hundred pound offensive lineman reading that news article, Still you're playing him next week?

He pressed it, He pressed it stop butting it. Just looked at me thirty second dude, you go to jail like you get in trouble. But I think I think, for me, honestly that the truth is. Now look back on it and understand what I Why I said that, and you know why I came up is because it literally those two hours of practice or games, it was my way of getting away to everything I was dealing with. Yeah, right, so I get I get two hours to go out there and like unleash on anybody, right, And so that's

Like, when you're in college and obviously you're close to home, what are the things you're dealing with outside of having those two hours or having that escape for football.

Yeah. I think the biggest thing for me, man, is that those two hours I forgot about everything. As soon as I walked off the field, I knew I was gonna come home to an eviction. Notice we'll come home, maybe the life were gonna be out, we didn't have food, But those two hours I didn't think about it at all. And then so one day my high school coach had

And I'm sure you don't do this a whole lot, because anybody who has an entrepreneurship spirit usually just looks onto the next thing. Yeah, but if you ever do have an opportunity, you're sitting in your house, in your living room and it's nighttime, and you just think to your wow, look what I like. Look what I've made versus what I've come from. It just adds so much to your story and how cool of the story it.

Is it is.

I I used to because I always hated the rags to riches. I like, like, dude, So you're right, that's exactly how I looked at it because it was almost it was always like the next thing, and I get up the next days the next thing, next thing, next thing.

Yeah, how speaking of seeing old people, how did your relationships change as you started to find success in money with these guys like you, like you get drafted right first round. People want to come see you in San Diego at the time where the charges were playing, like how did you navigate those hands out and being hey, you gotta help us out? You know how we helped you. Yeah, maybe a couple of those guys that said hey, leave

It's tough, especially when you come from where we came from, because there's a certain level of like you owe me right for being a friend, or somebody that that might have loaned your coat or something at that time. Now they want a car. You're like, hold on, man, you let me use a coat for two weeks. Right now you want a car. I mean, you know, it's a weird believe it or not. Mean, it happens more when you come from that area, those type of areas, it happens a lot. And so what I did do was

Yeah, what about the people trying to come back into the fold where it's like you obviously have certain boundaries with people, but people that are beyond that boundary, who are trying to get in the mix as well.

Yeah, I was, you know who I felt was going to be the first one because I told you my dad wasn't around. I felt my dad was going to be the first one to pop up. Yeah, you know, and he didn't.

I was thinking about when you were like, I didn't necessarily have a good relationship with him. You have a good relationship with m Yeah. I'm curious at how that started to come about.

So I talked to I talked to my dad one time on the phone. So I didn't see my dad from the ages of ten or eleven till the first time I talked to him on the phone when I was eighteen, and I didn't see him see him in person until I was twenty six or twenty seven. So I didn't see my dad in person from ages of ten to twenty seven. I reached out to him. I reached out to him my Freshmania a versity Maryland because I had questions. I just like, you know, like you

And that was the last football game you ever played. Yeah, and I retired right after really really, and so what was the reason why you didn't want to go two more years?

Well, I told I told my achilles, and so I could still play. Dude, when you tell the achilles, you lose your exploit, Like you can't push off, like he wants to and no mobility starts hurting every It was all of it, and you know I just wasn't. I wasn't the same anymore. And I couldn't. For me, I was so damn competitive. I couldn't take being averaging, you know, going out there, even if even if Buffalo was gonna

I can't.

I can't put that out there.

Talk to me about that feeling though when you turn on the film and if you think to yourself, man, I that angle I used to take, I could get that guy or I could cover that thing like that. And then all of a sudden you're watching You're like, bro, it's just not there anymore. What did that? What is that feeling like? And when did you like notice it?

I think I think for US athletes, we're the last ones that always always know we need to retire, like everybody, like everybody said, like dude, like come on, yeah, Mike Rabel.

He when he had to retire, he literally came home and his wife was like, you see this, Like you gotta be done. Yeah, He's like, oh shit, are you serious? So you're right, absolutely.

Yeah, And that's how that's how it was. And we had a uh, we had a rookie that came in. We were in training camp and the rookie, I know, gave play linebacker. He was like, you know, three or four behind me, was trying to make the team as a special teams guy. And uh, he said in the middle of training camp, he said, man, I just I got to tell you man, you know, you're one of my favorite players in like high school. And I was thinking,

Coming into the league being a first rounder, talk about talk about your time like when you first burst on the scene.

I you know, what's what's crazy is that he was talking about Vernon like me and Vernon had some epic battles in practice, just stud and we had a fence outside and the students used to go up to the fence and like cut holes in the in the thing just to watch me and Vernon go and do one on ones. It was a line every day we did one on ones outside of practice to watch me and Vernon.

Like go at it.

Yeah, And so I felt like, you know, going against Vernon every day. And then Vernon was just Cox. It was strong dude, like just Vern's like the most physical Freakis player that I ever play him at Rama Antonio cramartin the two Freakings players I played with. And so when I got there, I think, like, okay, I've seen Vernon. Then you got Antonio Gates, you know, sitting right in front of your practice, and like god damn, you know. And so I walked in. I was late. I was

Rep thing and there's no for a dode.

I'm not making move on running straight through it was there was no half man nothing. I went straight down the middle, blew him up, and I mean, the crowd's going crazy. I go back around and I'm going against I'm in the front line about to go again. It's somebody else up there, but Nzo Neil grabbed him, picked him up, and then pushed him out the way so he can go again. And at that moment I said, oh ship, I said something, something.

Doesn't feel right here, something something Maryland High School people would have been like, you go ahead and take him.

So I went up again and I tried to pull the same mess I did the first time. No no shake, half man. I was right down the middle. And when I did that, low Nell stood me straight up in the air, and I felt like my blood rushed to my finger you know that tingled your arms that I had nothing my fingers. Both arms I never had, you know, typically would get a stinger in one shoulder, one armed. Both arms were just numb, and felt like my blood had left my back of my body went all the

Maybe the sacrifice for the best kind of business move because now you're not having to Yes.

Yes, it was a vet move. And so I think that when we when we did that, every time that they ran a power or something like that, we just got within a few in each other and just let up. I got my spot. He got in this spot where good coaches said nothing to us after that at all, because they knew if we kept banging like we were, somebody wasn't gonna make it to the game. And Loneill is the realest you ever want to deal with. But I think it at that time, and then I didn't

As a rookie too.

Yeah, yeah, damn bro.

Did he say anything? Do you after that rep?

No?

But you know, I started to work out with O'Neil every day after practice. Lodill was twelve years in at this time. I'm a rookie dude, and I couldn't keep up like low Neil was just on a different planet. And so I just got with him and I started training with him ever, like three four days a week after practice we would go hit it.

Yeah, he was the hardest work on that team.

Yeah, no doubt.

You guys had some fucking squads, bro. It was always surprising that you guys just didn't get over that hump man.

Yeah, you know, you know what kind of because like we all put this these emphasis on championships, right, and but I will say this, and I know the Patriots you know, won rings and stuff during that time. I think in that mid two thousands we were the best team that never want to changemionship and within that you know, two thousand and five twenty ten range, we were so dominant. I mean, hell man, our practices some days were harder because we had Marty shot Hummer dude. And Marty was

Dre call the boys up, call, Hey, here's what we got here, and these calls.

Out two numbers, that's it.

And you got a defensive lineman, an offensive lineman or linebacker, and a full back and it just smacked.

It that dude, is that not the ultimate judgment? Like when they when the coach calls it up, it's like, all right, we got five to one and seven seven going out of here. In the Oklahoma drill, you're just like a hi. Either you're thinking yourself bro, like this dude's a beast, or you're thinking like, if I don't win this, I'm gonna catch hell forever. And it's basically just hey, you guys got to prove it to me right now.

And you got everybody watching everybody, so you can if you got practice, somebody block you or something. It's covered up maybe on film maybe, but if you get blasted in Oklahoma drills and everybody's around you, everybody.

They're jumping over you to get to the guy, and hey, hey hell yeah yeah, what were the meeting rooms?

Like?

Was he exposing a lot of guys Like if you fucked up in practice, we are sitting there and you're like, please, God, don't go to this place.

So he he was like the Marty can get you to run through a wall. Like he gave these speeches that you want you would get up. I don't care what your day was like, you were getting up and you were running through a damn wall. But he always had this thing where he would if he got too emotions, he would he would start tearing up and cry it a little bit. Right, So we had this, uh, we

Right, just a minute and a half.

Ninety second, No, just ninety seconds. Because so after he looked at the film and he said, you know a guy a big hustle play or running through or jumping over a pile or touchdown something big where a guy like laid his body on the line. He would get emotion about these type of things. So we we had this thing. Oh dude, it was.

It was.

It was like clockwork, true football guy, no straight football guy, one hundred percent. And so we all got hundreds and twenty sowe I'm I'm I'm coming in there about five hundred bucks because we're we're betting now. At this point, the clock is right behind him. So soon as he turn around from Washington play the time is it starts. And so we got got in there. And then before he started to tear up, his bottom lip would always start to tremble a little bit, right, so we know

Like, damn you.

Everybody like because they either lost or they won, right, and so you hear the guys in they're upset, and so all you hear is this crinkled up money passing down. Let's fuck you, dude. So you know some time I walk out of there with a couple of grand Dude, I'm like, oh, that's a minute and twenty.

When did he find out he had?

He did?

He did?

He did? Uh, probably like the fourth or fifth time, and uh, we say right when he turned around, he's like, I know you mother's betting on it, and so we we burst out start laughing, dude, because we knew that he had found out that we're betting on him. Whether he was going to cry now, but I miss Marty Man.

He was.

He was something else. He really he really, like you knew, like he was tough as nails, but he'll walk up to you in training camp sometime and just tap you. But hey, take you know, take the nine oh seven off. Yeah, he'll take whatever drills off to rest your body and stuff like that. So we had a tough part about him. But then he had, you know the other side.

He would go to some guys that put in the work.

Yeah.

It says a lot too, like head coaches who can still motivate you through a speech, because you feel like when you go through college, you've heard all this stuff right, and then as you taste the business of the NFL, you know, it kind of gets outside the whole scope of the team all the time. So coach, it's able to like make you feel something in this speech. I remember the first time I heard John Gruden give a

I know, because usually I mean, especially with like Vrabel, who had for the longest time, he would always he wasn't like a motivator like tell a story, get you amped up, but he was a guy that like just always had the keys and everything. This is what we have to do to win, blah blah blah, and then we just send us out. Very rarely in the NFL do you feel that, like you know, Friday Night Lights

I think, I think now with the NFL, everything is so like technical you so you don't get like the emotional, passional, passionate speeches. You get like you know this many times you know this many percentages and breaking down numbers and shit like you got a handful of coaches still have that that passion gets you know, gets you up and run through a wall. But for the most part, it's like, you know, culture, take the sheet out and like, hey,

Guys are trying to figure stuff out because I feel like the game has become sober fine, like everyone is so much faster, stronger, bigger, and techniques have gotten a lot better too, So everyone's trying to find that small little thing. You see a couple of years ago with the Patriots doing the field goal bringing a guy from the sideline and running in. That was like a new little wrinkle they throwed, and so every once in a while there's a new change. But yeah, it's very much

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Hasn't changed though is rookie hazing. Yeah, and it has changed a little bit, Like you're not as hard as it used to be. But back in your day, what was that rookie hazen like your rookie year, Because I feel like.

What you talked about being cocky's probably one of those asshole rookies too, where it's like, come.

On, bro, just be a part of it.

Just at guys come in, they'll be like yo, I'm not doing this. Sh It's like, yeah, God showed the cycle, like okay, so.

This so okay.

So this is the thing.

For me.

I was like if a guy asked me to carry hell man pick stuff up, no problem. But then you got some of the guys that like go over board, and I'm like, no, I'm still a man, you know, for I'm not you know.

Exactly what we thought.

He was.

Loos like good luck, yeah, and it was that.

It was that, you know, I had big Jamal Way in to play detackle for us. We had we had Randall Godfrey and Donnie like Donnie Edwards. We had some real o gs and the locker room. So they told me to pick some stuff up off the field. That no problem. But then you have to put your foot down and say listen, bro, like enough's enough. I mean what I mean, like, what are you gonna do at this point? And then you ask him it's like okay, at.

The end of that, no one really wants to fight.

Yeah, but you know what they did do to me though, They they got me with that rookie dinner. Dude, Oh how much thirty thirty two RECs no way, whole defense, whole team, so everybody, So yeah.

Because now this guy, I feel like he's broken up off defense.

No, it's so they I think they changed it after me. It was either me, it was either a dude it was it was it was a record that you don't want to have, you know, And so I think it was either me or Davis Bryant. But so they got there. And if you're four years in which you've vested after four years, right that wong two. After four years, you were invited to this rookie dinner and normally the first round draft pick he pays. And yeah, I told this story,

You know, the chef.

He's a fan fan, all right, Yeah, No, that wasn't the case. He was like, man, I need to I need to see you in the back. And I'm getting frustrated at this points. I already told him twice. I said just bring the bill, man, I'm trying to, you know, get out there. So she said, please just do me a favor of calling me in the back. So I going back in the kitchen area and he gives me. He gives me this receipt. Dude, to drop down like a safeway or see es to my feet cartoon, Oh dude,

Old on all right, Yeah, that's a nice little flex, but because one car, only one with a black car.

So I'm hoping. I'm praying to God to this sting the clines. I'm praying for the one time you know, you're somewhere, you're traveling and you like man that Yeah. So I'm I'm literally in my head, I'm begging for this thing to the decline. Dude, I'm like, please, if they called me and then I give me enough time to go and work work a deal out or work the bill out, and they I gave it to him, and I'm and I'm hoping that when he comes back,

I was so sick.

I was so sick. I couldn't believe it. And uh, I just I was so that whole day, but my stomach was just nots I couldn't believe that just happened was.

Back then, were they added gratuity already already at yeah, because it would have been way worse.

I don't I don't think I had the stomach to put my pen in that paper and at a tip like at that time. I don't think I could have done.

You know, dude, my rookie, my rookie dinner. I literally my credit was so bad, I had, you know whatever. I was a first round draft pick, but my credit was so bad that I had my credit card with one thousand dollars max on it for the month. So I'd like call my bank and be like, hey, I'm doing a rookie dinner to night. I need you to get that max. It was like two hours, two hour process. It's like five grand.

I wish thirty two is nothing. I remember it's like twenty something when I was thirty two is a lot. Because it'd be like they'd have the draft picks and like that. I want to say it was like the top two or three rounds, like they'd split it. Yeah, be like twenty something grand, but they'd split it. I haven't seen like a thirty two. Yeah. I never even hurt like anything over sixteen, Like thirty two is coo.

It was disgusting. I mean it was, it was.

It was what we would do is we would get like towards the end, we would get the rookies, have them come in, we go to a nice place, and then we get Louise shots for everybody. But we would tell the restaurant like, hey, just do one Louis shot for whoever's paying for the dinner, and then just bring the rest of us like you know, plastic. Yeah, I had something ridiculous fuck with And then like we were telling them, hey, am that bill up? So the bill would be like you know, at the end, like we

If my bill was ten thousand, I would have been happy as hell. Really, oh man, I would have been excited. I would have been so happy if that bill was ten k. God, because thirty two, man, it was like a you know, at that time. The most expensive thing I would have bought was a house. Yeah, and I didn't. Well, I bought a car, but outside of that, I had nothing that expensive.

And what was that first car you were driving in, Rookie.

G Wagon and I bought it. I bought the g Wagon one hundred and fifty right there, Yeah about that, And I said that the West Coast customs, you know when I got when I got out there decked out g wagon. But I got that car. I got that truck because of LeVar Arrington, who was who was my mentor, my bigger brother, my older brother, and I remember he at the time, he was and Serena and they were coming to my games, so Vaarn Serena Williams. They were coming my football games. And so he would drive up

Yeah. Is that your first big purchase?

Yeah?

Yeah, that's a ride off too, treo or five thousand pounds businessman.

Yeah, I'll let them. I'll left it. At that time, but I was blown. I was blowing it up. So I ain't good ship.

Yeah, you were definitely the rookie showing up day one with the Louis bag, Gucci.

Gucci new chain, the whole thing, no doubt, the most expensive piece of jewelry you bought.

I had one hundred thousand dollars chain, like one hundred.

Yeah.

I was definitely wearing a lot of jewels.

Man.

You know he spent a lot of money with that first photo they popped up with their little landing strip right there.

Yeah about that fashion that went on right there, I had about that was about seventy right there, sixty or seventy, but I had one it was one hundred. No ship.

Yeah, did you ever hazing the rookies? Not?

You know what I used to do to guys. I would I would have to break my There's the only thing I really did. I would n't break my cleats. And because I had it wearing new shoes, so I would let them get the blisters and ship, you know, like you have them wear them, yeah, for a practice for practice, and they've given them me no ship. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be so mad.

If someone's like, you need to wear these cleats, I'm like, bro, I have to breaking my own.

What are you talking about?

Yeah? That was, but that was that was as far as I got. I didn't do anything more than that.

Dude, talk to me about So you're you're out in the Northeast, you're in Maryland, and then you get drafted about the Chargers.

Were you just like so hyped up? Have you been to California before this time?

No?

Never? The only time? Well, I take that back, I did on my visit.

Yeah, and so do I never even see the top thirties. Yeah, okay, gotcha.

And so we got there when they when they brought me out, I never seen like palm trees and stuff like that in person. That was my first time like actually seeing right, you know, So going over and you see you know that peb area and you see all the water, and I said, dude, this is like a dream. Yeah. Yeah, if I wish I could get drafted here, this is like paradise.

You didn't care to go all the way across the country.

No, No, In fact, I wanted to because you know, high school in Maryland, college in Maryland, so I actually wanted to go, you know, got them on the West coast. So I took the trip to Dallas, I took to the trip to Detroit, the Charges and then then Redskins at the time because they were home.

Yeah.

Yeah, So I met with them three four and they told me, they said, look, if we don't think you'll be around the twelfth pick, we think we'll go somewhere in the top five, top seven, definitely top ten. Anything I would get outside that top ten. But I said, if you do, we're gonna We're gonna draft you. This is coming from A. J. Smith, that's the time the general manager.

Where'd you think you were going when you were coming in the draft?

Either one of San fran or three to Cleveland. I thought I was going to either one of those. Yeah, if I didn't go there with so many options because I came out and I was like two seventy all the scouts initially thought I was like around two forty five, and I waited in a two seventy two. So now you had they didn't know if I was gonna play

Uh.

And then the then Redskins that year got who they got. They got Calos Rogers right the cornerback from like Auburn, Auburn right. And then I went to go meet with Dallas. And the thing is with Dallas, I met with Jerry Jones and Bill Bill Parcells. So they told me that they want to draft me.

You're thinking Bill Parcells yet you're thinking you're about to have the star on your on the side of your house.

Yeah, dude. The room that the office that me and me, Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells, and it was probably about the size of this bus, like this just how tight it felt really, And you got like Jerry Jones sitting right there. You got Bill Parcells sitting there, dude. And I'm a twenty I don't even think I was twenty one yet. I think I was twenty and I'm sitting there and do you could like I felt, it was

You know, real, no, no, just a little coaching, we're gonna work.

That's good enough for me.

Were you surprised going from like, well, this is a big spress for me. Is like being in college and seeing the facilities and then going to places I haven't been in the Charges facility in San Diego but notoriously a very cheap franchise, and so you kind of see all these other ones. Were you surprised at how maybe the Charges were or washed was compared to Dallas.

Well, you you know. I mean, you always got this this thing with like America's team anyway, Like you got this a Dallas Cowboys, and people just knew they were like the team, the team. Yeah, and then you know it's Texas football in general is just a whole different beast. But then you got Dallas Cowboys. And for me, when I got to San Diego, it was more like, dude, I stepped I got off the plane. It was seventy five degrees and the best weather you can have asked.

You know, right, goddamn, just going like, oh my god, you know.

That Bill Parcel, like please work, my please work.

Right in the state of Texas, I could have say so much money, Yeah, no doubt, dude. And it is crazy too because like I don't know, let's just say this, taxes were the same in Texas As or California was the same as tex Bro It beat the most overflooded state of all time. It is so beautiful, it is such a beautiful place, especially southern California.

I still argue with people, I think the San Diego is the best places in the country.

It might be like you know, I just a lot of people feel that way, especially when they've had like a month or two there. Ye yeah, yeah, I was just there two months ago for four or five days. Yeah, dude, you go.

That's where I would train in the off season. I would go to Encinitas, Oh yeah, and I would be in Carlsbad at the Excess over there, And I was just like, dude, this is unbelievable.

It just seems like, you know, constant vacation on a permanent vacation living out there.

So when you're so you're following in the draft, you think, one, how dope, wu it'd be to be the first overall pick in a draft, Like what a milestone? What an opportunity that comes and goes? Yeah, three comes, It's like, all right, it is Cleveland, but still top three would be insane. That goes where's your mind?

Where your mind at?

As you start essentially falling in this draft.

Uh well, it moved to like six or seven because I think the Vikings had six or seven. Yes, they had seven that year, and so Mike type he played football at University of Maryland. So I thought it was gonna be Minnesota after that. Once once in Minnesota passed, I knew it was gonna be Dallas for or the charges like.

You feel any type of way when they grabbed the Marcus ware, Not.

Not really because you fall one pick and then all it wasn't you know, and there was also a team you wouldn't you wanted to go to? You get what I'm saying. So wasn't that. Now I'm mad because they told me what they told me. I went home and telling my family, right, you know that that part I was pissed off about because what happened was half my family was divided up between bit coming from the d m V area, between then Redskins fans and you know Dallas.

I was reading where what was the learning curve like for you when you did finally arrive at training camp? Obviously you was talking about Lorenzo and Neil and everything else, but I want to say I read or heard you talking about how basically there were structure in the game playing around you because you weren't necessarily privy to what was even going on on the field.

Dude, I knew nothing, which is crazy. Dude, I knew nothing, and because I got there so late, and mind you, you know the playbooks, and I try to tell everybody like, the playbooks are this big, and when you play a stronger weekside linebacker, it changes depending on what side of the strength, so your whole responsibility may change. And then the game is so fast, you got guys motioning, shifting, and then Hutt, your mind is just I couldn't catch up,

He was my DC in Washington.

Yeah, coach due with the best, the best, the best dude and the character beyond believe.

On the board he was. He's like one of the most fun coaches I've ever had.

Yeah, the best and uh. And then John Pagano was also an assistant linebacker coach. Okay, and Waye Phillips was the court. I had a great I had a great, great coach that three different you know, one one of them obviously ended up being a head coach was a head coach. And Waye Phillips and you had Monusky, who has been around as a player, as a coach decordinator, and then John Pagano also as a coach defensive coordinator as well. So I really had like three really like

And when do you say when your name is called, is it baked into the call? Like is the Mike Backer saying.

Yep a Sam Mike a Sam Mike blast right, So saying I'm strong side Sam, I'm blitching. If they said we'll cover three or whatever it is, my name not called, I got the drop a girl, drop a cirl flat.

Even then it's just him answer that shakey. You want to make sure Sean's blitzing everything else? Am I going back to a hook.

And look in his own dog. They shifted, you know, one of those things because it's the work is it's literally the worst feeling, like you don't know what the hell's going on, And so they made it so it was seaball go ball due for the first four to six week and that helped. Yeah, And then by like week six, I was able to be in a changeable, unchangeable on side. I didn't have to switch size anymore. I knew that if a shift was or the strength shift, then I can pick up on what the whale was

That's when you're feeling good.

I was good.

There is not a worst feeling in the world when a call is made and you're like trying to ask somebody what the hell you're supposed.

To be doing. I was gonna blitz that like nomter failed, they failed, just get the sacked up. Oh yeah, good play, you know.

Yeah. How many sacks did you get when you weren't even supposed to rush?

Oh shit, probably at least ten?

Probably, Yeah, like you have like thirty nine the first three years, Yeah.

Like thirty nine forty and then and that was when I was suspended, No six, you know, eight seventeen teen Sacks and No.

Six h bro talk about the suspension, Yeah, I mean the lure, the mystery, Yeah, the sewn Merryman p the steroids getting injured afterwards, like the entire career of Sean Merryman.

Yeah.

People always ask and talk about ped situation.

I think I think it was so big at that time. I'll tell you the biggest thing because all that stuff was going with Balco. That's why it was so. It was so big. It was like when Valco was going after every like it was so big. The track Star, the track and Field remind me stuff that was the Victor CONTI like the track stars, Like who was actually going to see doctors in like clinics.

Probably doctor in ohiot.

This was this was massive. This was like the whole things where they were trying to tie Berry bonds. So this was like the big Yeah, this is Sosa. This was that era when all that happened. And so when I got suspended, I was like I got thrown right in the mix with all of them, and I was like, dude, I've never seen a doctor for ship, you know I got I got suspended for something that was over the counter, like like you can go to any vitamin shop or whatever.

And twentieth tests that you faded.

I mean sorry, twenty test that I took, twentieth one that I felt the twentieth tests because they were testing ship on my like all the time, dude. They was like, hold on this rookie out here, like you know and so and so I got tested and two months before the season started, or a month and a half before season started, so it takes like six eight weeks before some time you get your results back. But I actually popped.

You know.

I even hired how the attorney, and I hired some some doctors and scientists from U C.

L A.

I spent a ton of money to show them like I'm not trying to beat the system and what was this was cool? And I know Roger Goodell gets a lot of slack, but he did something he didn't have to do because he felt that that I was being unfairly treated because of this thing. You know, Roger Goodell actually came out and said he told the public that I had tested twenty twenty times, nineteen of them clean without a problem, and this is the twentieth time that I got it. And and I called him, I said, hey,

Right, can you on like how you're being treated? You're just in you're just guilty and well.

You know, so like people because you're not the only one with the PD suspensioned on the bus right. I did, I did, I had, I had a little Austrian incident. It was I went through the whole thing.

I got tested in may Or, I tested in March, got tested again in April May March, was cleaned in April. I had like trace amounts for a thing called Austrian right, And I went through this whole. I did a lot of tector tests, like just trying to prove that I'm innocent, right, and you have to spend it anyway, right, to spend it four games?

Yeah, And so that's that's the thing. It's you know, they make it clear that they don't give it. Damn what you put like, it's you. Whatever you take, it's on you. And so I was like, you know, I get it, but at least you guys see what I was taking. I'm not trying to hide it. And they said, we get it, we understand, but you still put it in your body. It's on you. So and I don't know how long it took for you to get your your test back, but it took me like six to

Crazy, going you know that offensive line was like I knew it.

Everybody like it's because you know, like you know, I was. I was big at the you know, like put together. So they look they're looking at it, like.

Look at you. You don't say, bro.

I was kind of jacked.

It's like, oh, you don't top of a brick wall. He said, what's up?

Like god, damn, all right?

It was.

It was.

It was one of those things where I got to four sacks and I came back. It was a Monday night game. We got back from Oakland Tuesday and I go on my locker and there's a fed X in my locker. So the only thing for that at the time that I knew. They said I was fine and a fed X, and I said, oh, should we just played yesterday so they can't find why they find me already? I was like, oh, they're starting this year again, you know,

That rage is coming out. You know, we wrote this goddamn.

Uh And so you know, I'm like, this thiss gotta be a joke. It's got to be something like, you know, because what I thought, like steroids needles, that's what you know. I'm like, from where I from, where where I come from. We don't know about that type of ship, you know. We bare looking afford food like, we ain't buy no extra steroids if we're buying something that was gonna be food. Yeah, And so I didn't know that life. So I always started like, well, this got to be wrong because I didn't.

It's a whole different world.

It's a whole different world.

Any like nutrition of any supplement store you walk into.

Yeah something yeah, yeah, and it's that one little dyna like the's a long name, right, And I'm like, I'm not a signist. How am I supposed to know that this means steroids? You know? You just don't know. So anyway, you just knew it was helpful. I just knew it got got me extra workout.

In season, work out. Hey, Kathy's crazy, and this one I go all day.

I was like, my bench is gone up fifty pounds.

Like I said, they're curling two hundred.

Yeah.

Whatever.

You're running around the facility confused. People are like, come on, man, what are you talking about?

No, no, for real, And so I got I was suspended. They gave me an option, which was which was really dope, and so I peeled it because we wanted to figure out like what was what was wrong. We had to pill it so we wouldn't just take it right away. But what I did was I looked at the schedule and saw who we had there, and we had a four game stretch and at the time, they wasn't that good. We had at the Bengals, the Browns, we had four teams. It wasn't good. So the team was basically like, Okay,

The NSF certified, but they even say even if an NSF certified, it's still on you, no doubt about it.

Yeah, there's a whole bunch of batches. I could go on for thirty minutes. I'm gone through the whole entire process.

So like you you know that first of all, people look at us anyway, they think we all on some shit. I mean, the regular person, you know, look at this way, and he got to be on whatever, right because they can't understand like some of us is is just were just built differently. We're working out six seven days a

Yeah, you can't do Yeah, he still was a Pro Bowler.

Yeah, which I want to thank you for that, because twenty nineteen I got suspended and it was my best year of football I ever played.

And literally they did yes, so they put that uh that merriment rule up. And again this is when you know, Roger Goodell came out and was like, this is not you know, this is not fair.

This what prompted Godell to do that for you?

Why do you think that?

I don't know. I think that because I met with him before and I was around him a lot.

So in the heat was high, like you're saying at the time with baseball, track and everything else. Yeah, and you were like at the I mean you were a star, like you were on commercials.

Like you yeah, yeah, and that that's all of that really amplified all of it. And so when you're already out there and you're visible and people see you and then something like that happens, it's like magnified, you know, beyond belief. And so I was really pissed off when I came back. I had to you know, finished up the season, and then they had they made that made that rule. And then that's when Jason Taylor on these guys were Jason Taylor won that year, and Jason Taylor

What do he saying?

How do you respond? Nothing?

That he came back, he was pissed. He was pissed. But I'm telling you something that that happened though, And again I was much different than we end up going to the Pro Bowl, and this was when it was in Hawaii. Me. I'm the type of if you're gonna say some things like that when I see you a person, keep that same energy with me, right, I.

Get I just I've played with you before, I played with you. I know exactly who you are in the locker room. It's like that, I'd like you to dude, and we can joke around, have fun. But you know, there's a couple of buttons. It's like, YO, stay the funk away from those ones.

So okay, So what happened was, so we got down there and I brought my family, my grandmother down there. I brought my whole entire family down there. I flew like ten people out to that Pro Bowl that year. And so I've checked in and I put my bag at the Bell's desk. I didn't eve checked in the room. I put it by the Bell's desk, and I went to go look for Jason Taylor. And so because I'm like, you know, if you want to, if you're going, and he was. He was going. He wasn't even like he

You have ten people with you, as anybody.

Said here during the other hotel other hotel, did you tell.

Them about your players to go find Jason.

No, So I had them to booked me a room because I was ready to get sent home, right, and so I had I had a room at the other hotel, and so and this is this is like in l t and then so I walked past the Lts and and uh, the Lorenzo Nils with me and I didn't even talk to him. I was like, I'll be right back and I walked right by them, and so they was like, where are you going, and so they started to follow me, and because they knew something was up, and so Gene Upshaw at this, you know, Gene Upshaw.

You know.

He sat me down and said, hey, Sean, you can't you know, you can't do this. And I was like, well, if he I just want him to say the same shit he said to the newspaper to me, right.

Yeah, but what happens if he says the same shit to use lights out, It's gonna be bad. You know.

It's because I had already planned to go home. I was going to plan against at home anyway, and I was just have my family booking ext hotel. They flew out there. I'm just enjoyed it my family for the week. I'm fine. Right, And so they sat down. They all sat me down, Gene Upshaw, Lorenzo Nil and l T set me down. They said, you know, we couldn't do this, maybe you should go talk to him. Let us go

Did you talk to Jason?

No a couple of times, but I didn't. We never really we never really talked about that, you know, we never really talked about that. But yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad, dude, I'm glad.

You guys got a practice like there is practice and they're both in the NFC, so obviously you're on the same field together.

Yeah.

So during the week, is it like I'll stand on this side? You said, yes, I.

Think I think after Gene Shaw talked to him, and I think when you knew like this they had it was it was kind of water on the bridge. We never became best friends or anything, but I think it was a it was a better understanding of what of what happened, you know. So I never really got a chance to an opportunity to talk to him about that, because.

You imagine if you get suspended for steroids and then you go to the Pro Bowl and you beat the ship out Jason Taylor or you find him, you would essentially prove everybody right.

Like you would never know that not only a Steroay you thu, It's crazy, it was, you know, dude, I'm I'm glad, Like I said, I had some some older guys that were, you know, kind of leaving the right dire, like LT and Lorenzo, Like I can thank them so

Was there ever a time in practice because listen, fighting in practice is just like it happens all the time.

Yeah.

Yeah, they obviously they had to know when you be line past that you're going to do something. What made them know that if you walk past them, you're doing you're up to something?

I was good for a fighter to every training camp to book it.

Yeah, yeah, prison rules essentially someone to try you. It's like it was.

It was one of those things like and then you know how this is. Do you just see this? You see the same guy every day, So don't take much at that point, like an extra shove right after the plate and grabbing the jerseys.

You try to walk away and they're still holding on. Yeah, we would have, but but.

It happens all the time. I'm thinking, yeah, I mean maybe with one or two guys.

Yeah, there was always yeah, but I'll say this, I see your neck and I realized I would have been I would have been in a bit of a situation, but I would have swung. I want you to know that I would have a respect if you did, I would have swung first myself.

God damn.

But you know I played with some dogs like Chris Dillman and and those guys dude running Nick Hardwick, Like I played with some guys.

Hardwick center right, yeah, center, done up?

Yeah. I had to tell ye all of all of those guys were badasses. Just we bat all the time. But man, I so much respect from guys for real.

What about when you get off the field. Let's say you're get in a bay Fest fight. How are you handling yourself after that? You need to calm down?

Or is it?

Hey, what's on the field stays on the field.

I didn't know. I didn't really fight much off the field.

Yeah it's good, but on the.

Right side of defense with him? Just got him. You want more of this ship?

Just talk.

Know we got the jump.

You talking about fighting fighting people. You've swung at me in a game and in practice.

I didn't. I've never swung at you in practice. That walked through practice we had, Yeah, we're gonna walk through practice and he's just running me to the sideline. And a walk through practice as a jog through. But I had to let Will they know sometimes you get on the edge, it's gonna happen to.

You just.

Drove him out the screen, you just draw it was it was a job.

It was a jog three times situation.

The preseason game. We're all out, we're not playing, we're just going a walk through.

They just a shift where the mic comes down.

Was it?

No, No, we're the same team.

And I'm just saying, like, were you playing around with him?

Yeah, he's just trying to put me let me know, like, Okay, you don't belong on the edge.

You're not nice for anybody. And I was like I want to show Will, like when do you play down here? This is what happens. And we you were kind of mad for a couple of days. I know I wasn't bro man, you were kind of actually a bitch.

Remember that.

Dude?

Who Okay, you buy a lot of teamates. Who's you favorite teamate of all times?

Man? We had, Man, we had such a closed group, you know, like like me and d SP like a lot of it. We still talk almost every day.

You know.

I was just talking with these.

Pros as I was walking.

Yeah, below Neil L. T. Tones, probably my boy Antonio Gates. Phil Dude, like I look like I love Phil today, I do. I love everything about Field. The thing is, I hated him when he was at NC State because I was at Maryland and dude, I hated his guts, bro like I every time I saw it. Like I said, I want to do something to him every time I saw him, because you see him in the film and just at the time where you're watching the film, we watch there's no sound, right, you don't hear the commentary.

No ship, this is what you are. You all in college, just in college?

There is yeah, there it is.

Philip Rivers is like a notorious ship talker that never curses.

Ever.

It's unbelievable because at that time and his team, his teammates an NC State, loved him and I didn't know how, like he's an asshole, you know, like he's always talking. And when I got there my rookie year, and you got a chance to be around him, and you saw that competitive spirit and it was NonStop. But it wasn't

Something about these old school quarterbacks just seem like they're like great, like shit talkers, pranking like we had Peyton Manning on he was talking about the pranks he would do. Tom Brady, I've hed done a lot of pranks. Was he a big prank guy at all?

Oh? Dude, he never stopped playing. He was the biggest kid. Did you can ever imagine he? So I used to break down the huddle before the game, you know, kind of let's get it, let's get and so Phillips will start imitate me everything that I do, and he can he can walk and he can walk like me. It's the craziest thing ever. B he's a he's a big kid. Yeah, and so he's uh, he's like, uh, he's like the kid. You gotta watch what you stay around because they repeat.

Nuts nuts bro. And then you also in Buffalo, who is it a fitzmagic yep, the quarterback.

Just three very unique personalities. Yeah, what did fits Uh? I heard this rumor of rep Fits that he would get Yeti coolers for his offensive linement every single year with his face on it. Did that hold true in Buffalo?

I think so.

So he was in the Titans, I think the year before I got there, and everybody had a Yetti cooler, like the big one with his little like a silhouette of his face and beard all on that thing.

Yeah, he's so I would you know. At the time, I was, I was single, so I was like looking at girls and stuff on social media, you know, And so sometime I would be, you know, looking at stuff on the on social media, and I have my phone down. He will come to my locker every day. He just looks like, who do you got?

Who do we got today?

Who we got out there today? That is so funny.

He was the I played with some I played with some great dudes, man, and he's definitely one of me's up there for sure.

Why was the transition going from l A Oh you know, go ahead, Sorry, I thought you was transition out of NFL, but go ahead, No, yeah, transitioning going from where you were at the impact you made in LA and then going out to Buffalo.

Well, yeah, so I got I got waved by the Chargers.

I was.

I had so many interest to back to back. You were talking about the compensation thing, Like my achilles were partially torn and kept tearing a little bit more and a little bit more to time until it eventually popped. But at the time I was compensated. So I had a calf, a hip, a knee. It was just constant

Where's your mental at when you get waved like all that you can't see obviously you get in the tank. It's an up and down ride, like where were you at? Mentally? I was.

I was shocked and it didn't really hit me until I left the building. And so I remember going to mean coach coaches were crying, I mean bags Pegana, I mean, Monunsky. Everybody was just like like it was it was like a dark cloud that day because I don't think anybody's anybody saw me ever leaving the charges, but I just had I had so many injuries at that time. They had it just I couldn't say healthy. And so I mean, even when I was talking to the dean and owner, it was just it was a sad It was a

How quick does he call back?

Fifteen minutes, fifteen to twenty minutes? And so he called back fifteen twenty minutes. He said, Sean, I just want to let you know we put in your contract in the NFL. I said, buddy, I don't care what y'all doing. I'm not coming. So here it is. I hung up again. Call back right back and said, well, if you don't come, it's twenty five thousand dollars a day. Fine, I said, well, when y'all sending that plane.

No fucking doubt got to get on it right away, dude.

So this is like a Monday tues I've got it was a Monday Tuesday. But they were literally literally sitting the plane the next day. And I said, hey, Buddy, and then Russell Russell Brandon was there too. Who's the president I believe at the time, And I said, OK, guys, just give me your Thursday. Can you send a plane on third? I'm leaving San Diego to come to Buffalo. I need some time to pack and all this other stuff. Uh. So I got on the plane and you know, I

This is a full on blich was frozen when you get off that plane.

I mean full on blizard outside. And I remember stepping off the plane and then Buddy and then Russell brand and he's got there they were at the end of the runway. I couldn't see him. That's how bad the weather was. I hadn't I couldn't see them, And I remember I looked up into the sky. I was like, man, I go to church sometimes and like I go do a lot of charity. Yeah, I start think. I was like, man, what did I What did I do? You know, what did I do?

Uh?

And I was dreading that, man, not because it's really the it wasn't just like the city and the weather, like they just didn't have it. So you're you're playing for what right They're not going to the playoffs? Right? But dude, it was Honestly, I'll say that it was the best thing that ever happened to me in my career because I got out there. Man, you got a chance to see that fan base and like those people. And I was just out there this past Sunday with them. Dude.

Really you get what I'm saying, Like, yeah.

Man, and that's Tailgates.

Ever, it's it's something unlike anything. And I know we like a lot of people see the table jumping and all that other stuff, which is how they got on the map, like in a big way because of social media and everything else. But dude, it honestly, I remember I would down eating. I was in a restaurant chipwid downtown and people just walking by me were like, yo, what's up? Lights? They kept walking, no pictures, know nothing, and it was just like, dude, like there was a

I had myself a little entanglement with the Bill's Mafia. One time was right after my suspension. We played the Bills. It was like thirteen to ten and Shaq Lawson, who was like a backup, was a talk shit and so I tweeted at him put my phone down like an hour later, like two in her responses, just Bill's people murdering me. Just even the WiFi up there. They fucking got after me. I will never get an entanglement with them ever.

Again, dude, it's so passionate, it's unreal, man, And I think that for them, there's a lot of pride in in like that group. You feel like you're at a college game, like when I was there Sunday. Do you don't feel like all the glitz and glamor of the pro games, like you feel like you're at some school in the South, right, you know what I mean, like tailgating and all this other Like.

It's just different, like a college.

How big of a difference was it between Buffalo and San Diego as far as the fans went.

I think it was so much to do in San Diego, right, Like for you to take your three hours of your day or four hours to go to a game, it was a lot because you got the nice weather, you got food, beaches and everything.

Yeah, you do whatever you want, You do what you want.

I think the difference is with us is that we were so good. We have so many stars on a team from al team and phill Up and Gates and all these guys that people came because of the winning, right you know, and like this the year yeah, and so people came there and that and the Q was rocking, dude, I mean we had that place ridiculously, like just crazy. And I still even looking at a nail, I get chilled because I was always the last one to come out the tunnel every game. And I did that because

You know.

It wasn't like, yeah, you were digestive.

I was like yeah, yeah. And so they scraped up some money and they took me to a Ravens game. This is two thousand, two thousand. Yeah. We sat all the way up there near the light bulb. So we had no We had no money too, so we were like six seats up. I could turn around you and like start changing light ball and ship. It was like we were It was the one you're so high up there when you look over your stomach dropping heights. Yeah,

Right?

I always thought it was dumb do until I saw Ray Lewis, And so it came out there and it was quiet and they introduced everybody. It was already loud, but it just got this pause and then it just a place when crazy and I didn't know what was happening. Fireworks, smoke, and then they was playing up Nelly is getting hot in here, and he came out and was doing it, and I thought I was going to pass out. Bro I thought I was going to pass out.

Just seeing this small little speck on the floor.

It was so hot. If it wasn't for that jumbo tron, I would have thought like answered down there, like I would have no clue. But I saw it and I was I looked at my coaches and I was like, man, I'm gonna make people feel like how I just felt. And so when I got to the charges we had, there was a guy there who was six or seven years in Quincy, Scott, I think his name was or something like that, and he was the last one that was coming out, and I looked at him and said, I'm coming out last from now on.

That's a rookie.

That's a rookie.

Okay, that's a rookie.

So so you got it and and that's where the whole thing started. But yeah, I you know, for me, I just I was like, man, that ship. It did something to me that day, and I never you know, when stuff happened to you as a kid, whether it's good trauma or bad trauma, you remember that, yes, And I remember remember that at that time, and I was like, I'm I looked at my coaches, I said, I'm going to make people feel like this one day.

And that was it.

That's wh I started. I actually come out last.

That is how sick is that?

Bro?

To like look back on your career and know you got to accomplish things that, yeah, a rare group of people get to do.

Yeah, and the cool the cool thing about it too.

Man.

It's like even now, like when I go back to Buffalo and I've I've been retired almost I've retired in thirteen is you know year, and the game has changed, has evolved and all this other stuff. And when I came came out, like social media was just starting to come around, right, So you see all these guys now they got like big social media followings. You think now that Joll had twenty million back then at that time,

You know, how hard was it to face kind of your mortality in the NFL, Like when you started to just not be able to put it together anymore in Buffalo, you know, the injuries, whatever, it is. How hard was it to kind of like wrap your arms around hey, this could be coming to an end?

For me? It was difficult because I played the game to be the best at what I do, and once I realized I couldn't be the best anymore, it was hard that part, but also to my my career was cut short that I wasn't gonna be named one of the best that ever did it in my position, right, No hall of fame, no, none of that stuff, because I was I got hurt, you know, I was injured. Yeah,

You just kinda feel jaded, jaded?

Yeah, you feel you feel De's good. Yeah, So you feel jaded because you knew it on the trajectory where you were going, even the suspension stuff like people talk about the suspended like always fell off, Well, you're forgetting it, Like I also was All Pro the following year, All Pro the following year. I was also up there, I think top five of top seven finish defensive Player of the Year again, you know, so I think that when people see it like the longevity. But seven is when

Yeah, that's tough, man.

Yeah, it's always it's always hard when you figure out the dreams over. You've been playing it your whole life, and you're like, man, this is really the part that everybody talks about, Like eventually you can't.

Do it anymore.

It just is a shitty feeling when you realize the end is near or you know you're going to retire. How quickly were you jump in the m m are entrepreneurial things?

Yeah?

So yeah, when did that start?

So in the mid two thousands. I grew up well, I grew up in Maryland and d C. So I have my family members that were professional boxes. My uncle's called professional boxers. So I kind of grew up boxing anyway. And if I didn't play football, I was one hundred percent gonna fight. That was like the thing that I

He's into the Brazilian Yes, I think.

He's like a brown bell or something like that. You know, I was trying to get I was trying to get Cush the Fight League, so.

And so, yeah, yeah, I love it. I love Jersey.

The video of him with his helmet off going right to the offensive line for the Browns face and splitting his nose.

Yeah, he's a cycle man. I love I love Psycho, and so I just traded every all season. So I already kind of knew. When I retired, I already knew what I wanted to do, and plus my rookie year, when I first got my check, I wanted to go buy all the trademarks and rights that lights Out first. My first thing I did. So when you say big purchase is the cars, but the other purchase I did is big brain purchase. Was it was a company called PJ. Salvage,

And they wanted a piece of years. Yeah, and that's why it didn't work out.

Yeah, that was part. That was probably the main breason. Otherwise, they had a bunch of company stuff going on. They launched a WW network at the time and it wasn't doing well and so they end up going to Peacock, but they cut like ten percent of their entire staff across the company. So give me a big contract. Wasn't at the at the top anymore at that time.

And so but I were you looking to be like a WW superstar?

Yeah, I feel like that would be I mean, it's the perfect character.

I So what I did was what kind of kicked it off. They had a show in San Diego, I think it was One night Stand on pay per view, and I was talking to Paul Triple H and he was like, man, we're coming to San Diego, and they kind of were throwing some ideas back and forth, and I was like, you know what, shut I'm down, let's do it. And they brought me out to a TNA. They brought me out the stands and seeing punk it actually handed me like a bamboo stick and I hit

What were you looking at? Obviously you're doing a couple of things with lights Out now. Yeah, like I see the Lights Out TV streaming service. Yeah, I know you're in kind of with the bills too, right, you're streaming the East West Shrine game. Yeah, that's I mean, that's massive. Yeah.

So what happened was when I got because I got straight to TV out, the NFL network broadcast a couple of years, ESPN, Fox Sports, and those those panels are hard because it was like four people. Yes, you got to think, dude, like take a guy like JJ Watt who is no everybody you know, no love, big following, and now he's you know, Hall of Fame got Now he's retiring. It's like as a player, right, you that next guy up, they're looking to draft somebody and then

So gotta be a great feeling it was.

It was unreal because when you you know, you're talking to like Shane sort of president of Fox Sports, any any one of the execs, you're not expecting them to get back to you no time soon. And I wasn't. I was like, just let you know, I'm launching MIAM and Main League here. It is called Lights Out Extreme Fighting here it is. So I go downstairs. My phone rings and I know that Fox the Fox lot number, so I know I'm like, oh damn, somebody's called me

No ship and there's your brain child the whole entime time. So what's the thought what's the thought process of Like I guess explain the market of like getting in a world where it feels like the UFC is the is the premier league for fighting.

Yeah, well you I think that every major league needs a minor league anyway. Everyone, you know, it's I think everyone and you'll see that got you know, tons of leagues they pour a talent from. But what you hope to have the best talent in the Yorks or the talent from you keep going there because it's gonna make more and more guys go. And so when we first launched, I think the idea to everybody else like, oh, you can't be big because the UFC's there. It's like, no,

The Senior Bowl, the recent Senior Bowl, like when you can watch practice unfold throughout the week that week leading up to the game is going to be on lights out sports.

Yep. Nice.

Yeah, and that's like the most important part of the week.

The game is kind of just this is the this is why I really did this. Man. I'm like, I know sports right, Like, I'm not gonna sit up there and try to get in the big picture movies or shoot a lot of original content stuff outside of sports. Like when it comes to sports, as you just said, you started thinking like why, why the hell nobody ever

Yeah, they do it for the I mean they do it for the Senior Bowl.

Why not?

Why not the East West Line?

Yep?

So what's if you could get the rights to one thing?

What would it be for for.

Your production company? Oh?

Nice question? NFL preseason games? No, you don't want a game, you want the preseason.

Yeah, the preseason game, because I think you can get more creative.

I see your mindset, I see your mindset.

You know what I'm saying?

Yes, absolutely, Why fight over what everybody's fighting over when there's money to be made in these other spots.

And you make it to what people want to watch. And you know, preseason for us, especially when you're a VET, you're like, you like want just shit, hurry.

Up, right, You want to get your ten players out of the way.

You want to get the series or two and be done. Yeah, and so but I think for the fans to get excited about to see that, there's so many creative things that I would do for a preseason game to make you watch.

And it's loose. The players are loose. They feel you something about seeing a player with their shoulder pads unbuckled, the jersey up, seeds in their mouth.

Yes, there's go bro. He's kind of like us. Yeah. And the only real thing out there that does it is like what Hard Knocks. Yeah, that's it doesn't great to be the only thing. And it's only on one team, you know what I mean? Because you kind of see the backstory within preseason and like you said, no one really cares about you know, you get your series or two, but outside of that, it's like you you liked and the Hard Knights because you're seeing the actual reality.

But if you're able to take one of the top players wearing a bucket hat, hanging out and you put a microphone on them in the middle of a game. People want to know that you even.

Get so creative because the thing is the reason why I created the fans on because it's number one fan engagement mechanism. You can get to like the number one. You can't get closer to the fans in that right. You could be in the stadium, you can watch the games,

For sure, rank them them what they do good, they don't rate them the whole thing.

I got so many, so many games that Tailgate should play against other teams. It's a whole game within a game. Yes, And there's so many things I want to do hopefully, you know, you know, talking to enough teams now that I think we we shot three shows and the Chargers just did one with the Bills. I think I got a couple more with the Bills, but mainly, man, just

Bro.

Also, I don't know about this, but why not go overseas where they're at and have a tailgate for them for their teams.

So there's a thing that I just implemented for our fights where you can simulcast. So I'm working on that. So a lot of these of these troops that are overseas, I want something simo cast where we have them separate where they could feel like they're there at that tailgate even though they're overseas working them.

Just that's fucking awesome, man. That It sounds like a really cool project that's got legs right now rolling.

Yeah.

Man, it's massive. And this one, this one was shown in ninety airports. It was live in shaps twenty four undred plus.

Cool man. And in the fight game, like, what are like the competitive edges you look to kind of you know, magnify there, Well you do that.

Yeah, I think the biggest the biggest thing is uh, like I got we we built a platform for ourselves, right, playing in the NFL, Right, And like there's no bigger fan base than NFL football fans always always will be king, at least in this country.

Right.

And so you kind of exposing these guys he's up and coming like superstars who trying to make a name for themselves. Like dude, the mass of having a young Con McGregor, right, or young Ronda Rousey, right or something. You can you get them up there, you kind of build them up and then USC get them a called and they become some mega superstars. But they started with you.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

So I think for us, we're trying to create superstars and give these guys it's a platform because we just in the last two months. I think you actually signed two of our guys in the last two months.

Awesome. That's awesome. You also do a lot in the charitable world as well, like yeah, pooling and everything else. Yep, speak on that, especially coming from the place that you did come from.

Yeah, man, I think I hate bullies. I hate personal bullies, I hate corporate bullies, I hate any any bully out there, man, Because to me, it was like, uh, we had this sting growing up like I was always was, I bullied the bully. Yeah, you know, it's like it was like a nice guy who was always nice. Everybody can kick your ass like relaxed bro, like you're going too far, Like we'll pick up somebody of your own size type

We're not.

I started this winter cod drive at the University of Maryland. Then I got my twenty third annual coming up on the sixteenth, which is in two weeks, and so this thing has been going. You know. Now I got a fourteen year old son, like he's in jery, so they all drive. Now he's there at the cold drives and stuff, and hopefully after my ass has gone one of these days that you know, he'll continue it on. Because you know, we didn't like we were a homeless dude. And I

That's amazing. Noose shit, Yes, annual one coming up here.

Yeah, in two weeks at the University of Maryland.

Know what's your biggest piece of advice to kids that you do will like identify with that to kind of see that could potentially be on a similar path that you were on.

Yeah. I think one of the biggest things I try to tell them is is there's always light at the end of the tunnel like when I was. When I was we're going through as much stuff as I was with my sun. Right, he's doing my son's ranking them a fourteenth in the country quarterback. Oh no shit, I think it's not one of the Jersey I think he did that ship despite me. To be honest, you make him a Husker. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to call him from Maryland. He was just at the Syracuse game last

To the work ethic, oh man, discipline, everything, yeah, comes involved with being a football players.

Selfless nature. You kind of have to create one hundred percent.

You know, dog tired and his fourth fourth down and you know, fourth quarter, you're trying to get through it. You can't just go out there quick because people are relying.

On you, unless you're a quarterback for the Colts. Whatever you want, just take up plays off whatever you why not?

Why not?

It's just part of the deal.

Man. That's good advice. It's a good advice because football does teach you so much more than next is.

And it's yeah, it's I mean, there's very few people in the world's gonna put their shoulder, the finger or something back in place and get back in the game, right, throw some tape on that ship, like just you look back on it now like some sick ship, you know, like how just our mindset and how like we looked at everything like you know, pain was weakness.

It's interesting looking out the world now and you see like a couple of people get hurt, like you might be out with somebody and they roll their ankle and they make it a big deal out of it, and you're like, bro, come on right, just like we know it's low and involved.

Now you get removed from the game long enough and you just start to have just a different perspective and you see the fish bowl and the bubble that players get in mentally, and you just know, like you have no clue until you get out of it, what you're what you're sweating right now. Yeah, it's just and it's a weird. It's a weird psychology.

You shouldn't get out of it either, because a minute you you zoom out a little bit and realize, like, if you're not one hundred percent focused on this thing, you're fucked. Yeah, absolutely fun.

Yeah, but you but the crazy thing is you don't see that stuff to you to you walk get away from the game a little bit, you start looking at everything like even now do you guys? You know act my favorite teamates like shit, man, I played on the team with LT Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like I remember walking in as a rookie looking alt like he was Jordan.

Yeah.

You know.

It's like this is a day just people being like, yeah, I can't know if you play with this person that was your actual friend, right, somebody who hung out with Yep, that's awesome, man.

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All right, twisted question this week kind of basic goes off of your lights out network and your lights lights out of Extreme fighting to save the world. Would you rather have one hundred tries to beat Rock Lesnar in his prime or one thousand tries to hit a hole in one.

Rock?

Okay, yeah, that is a very prime. You understand that national championship at the University of Minnesota Wrestling was a superstar at the w W Heavyweight Champion of the world, the Ufcah, that's who you're taking a hundred times.

Yeah, I wouldn't need a hundred though, to be honest.

That's the exactly you think it would take. Oh God, because listen, if you were if you were in the car, if you were in the driver's seat to save the world, out of these two options. Elated to hear you say, I'm like, Okay, I do think that's our best shot? Yeah?

Yeah, I I yeah, probably not not very many, to be honest.

Yeah, was that? Where do you see the flaws in his game? Do you want what's he couldn't stand up with me?

He's a great wrestler. Great, if you're saying that he wrestler, take me down, I got I would not argue with that. Yeah, but if he gets close enough where he's standing up with me, he doesn't. He doesn't have a shot.

Yeah, that is the way you said it. Maybe believe you.

But also I heard he talked ship on your your p D and getting pro bowl.

Yeah, that's why I wouldn't.

Corner.

He was talking some crazy.

I'll tell you this, dude, I have played nine holes of golf in my entire life. I don't I don't care for golf one bit. I'm doing the thousand shots shots. I'm just not you know, once upon a time, I think we talked about getting further removed. It seems like you've kept your edge for me. I see people warming up. I'm like, god, damn, I did that.

That is crazy.

No, I definitely had to look back from like getting cut blocking shit. I'm like, you know, sometime I'll grabbed my legs and.

Sometime these cats playing on You're just like, I can't believe I was out there like doing that.

Work, yes yesterday, doing the things he did, Like, oh my gosh, he did that ship.

I grabbed both of my I would have came down my patella and my monist which just fell right out.

Of the side of my done no doubt, but hey, good luck with bruck Lesner Will.

On the twist of question, yeah, maybe I mean, are we talking part three here? Yeah, of course I would say. I would say the thousand tries of golf, like, no matter what, Like you get a hundred try, it's like you gotta think that one can land and maybe all he needs one. Maybe maybe I'm crazy, right, but I would say your best bet is a thousand tries.

Just think about when you're on like a ten to fifty seven and fucking he knocks you out and then you guys just both reset to being the first.

So what happened? We might be fucked everybody. Yeah, I'm not built. I'm not built like it'd be like after tomorrow.

You know nothing. Why I didn't pick the golf is because I know people that play golf almost every day it still suck. You get what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I just I don't feel I don't feel confident that I will go out there because I'm watching people who do this for eleven and who still come out some days and just look terrible. That's why I don't like golf. Now. I'm just like, dude, whenever if I do something like repetitive, because we're told as athletes, you do something ten thousand times,

Yeah needs that one. You just need that one. You see yourself? Are you gonna be fighting at some point?

So I'm not I'm not against it. This is what I'm saying. I'm not against it, but I do respect these guys. I've jumped in, I've jumped in training camps, I've sparred. I still I still spar I spared a couple weeks agoed Randy Contoris jym up in in Vegas. So I like to be around the guys. That's more import than I like to be around the guys the spar stay stay with it because I feel better discipline wise. Yeah, you know, like I think we get done d it's like we feel like bumps a little bit, like we

Does, just know you just has that drive.

He has that drive.

What's your stance on the Mike Tyson fight? Him and Mike Tyson?

I think I think if it gets outside of the third round, it's all Jake. I think Jake will hurt him bad. Really yeah, because Mike the power never really you don't lose the power as much. One of those inside shots will clip you. You can he can knock Jake out still at almost sixty years old. Yeah, those inside punches, body punches, head movement, all that stuff. Mike still has one of those land It's gonna hurt Jake bad. After the third round. Mike is just gonna get tired.

Up.

You can't, you know, but I was on that neck pain. You forgot about it for sure, you know.

So he I think Mike is gonna look great for three rounds and he got a chance to clip Jake Paul and knock him out or at least hurt him enough where he's not as uh dominating on them last round.

As a person who's boxed before. There's a bunch of rumors obviously that Jake Pulse fights are rigged.

Yeah, is there any truth.

Of that in your mind?

This is why I don't believe that those things true, because if if you're caught, you're done, you hope like all the millions. So if you if you're caught doing this stuff, you're just you're done, and nobody's gonna come to a fight anymore. You're not gonna get pay per views, You're not gonna get paid, so that one risk that you don't know that if it does get out that you're rigging fights. This is why I say that. I'm

Yeah, I feel you, I get it. I like that response. I think Jake Paul's gonna see that clip. He is gonna really appreciate it. Yeah, you don't like that, should hit the tier talk.

I'm down. I'm down to hit tier talk. You want to explain tear talk? Yeah, So tiar talk is we're gonna do best personal celebrations. You got Tier three, start a tier three, work your way up Tier two, tier one. It's basically your top three all time. You're gonna say what your celebration is, so it might be the lights out celebration. You give a little sizzle, you give a little feedback on why you think it belongs in that tier, and then that's ultimately that is tier talk. That is

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Not gonna you want to start. I started off.

I want to see his dad first.

Oh, that was the one with a little sugar on it. That was Dallas whoa, yeah, whoa. I sat the second half. We were we were going into the playoffs. Coach, you need to rest my legs.

So you exerted a little bit more energy because yeah, the gentleman's dad.

Yeah, all right, I'm.

Gonna I just want to go up. I said, you know what, fuck it, dude, I'm not gonna tell you gus what I feel.

I think. I think the.

Simplicity of a celebration goes a long way with me. The elaborates all that I feel like gets I feel like gets old after a while. My Tier three is gonna go to the og feed me coined and started by the Denard Robinson Shoelace Robinson. He was actually the individual that started that celebration. Did it against our house state? Who picked it up at your leader?

Is he?

Hehiel Elliott, you'd be the judge my tier two.

So just it's one every tier.

Yeah yeah, so tier three is like the bottom. Okay, tier two, then tier one is your favorite my tier two. This is gonna sound crazy, but a touchdown being scored, a home run being hit, you meet the other individual, not a whole lot of celebration, just a handshake. I think the handshake is it goes a long fucking way. Yeah, and my tier one and this might be my old man or everybody's old man saying, act like you've been

You're like the you like the You're like the dad talking about the Walter Payton's and Barry Sanders.

Yeah, you see that now. I am a celebrator. I am if I was the one scoring touchdowns. You see me come up with something new every single week. However, to me, when I watch it from a distance, I see somebody just store a touchdown, have an insane play, and then the walk up, no c You're like, Yo, this dude just must know something that we don't know.

We will basic, okay, basic.

Short and sweet, hyphenated wame.

Jack Michigan.

That was nasty. That was nasty, was kind of boring, a little bit boring, born, a little bit hyphenating.

Yeah yeahh okay, boring, a little bit hyphenated born.

That should be a quote graphic for Coop.

Yeah.

Uh.

My Tier three is going to go to Chris Johnson's touchdown celebration. I felt like I remember being in Nebraskan guys or trying to mimic his celebration. What does he call it? Chop City? Yeah? Bro, when when Chris Johnson was scoring touchdowns, everybody was glued to the TV. People are trying to mimic it. My Tier two is going to be He had talked about it earlier the Ray

Dude.

That that was.

That was like an era like that that was at era. Yeah, that was that was the attitude era. Dude, Like I don't get I don't give you who you were. I saw like Grandma's Grandma's are doing it.

Yeah, that's my tier talk good. You hated that, hated it because you literally you're just playing. I was like, what am I doing? They said, no. Celebration was the tier one.

That that was. That was pretty bad about groundbreaking, youthful attitude hyped.

Let's get from when you go, man, So yeah, you have the floor.

Twer three, I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm gonna go to the Kimbay, Okay, yeah, I got I had time to think, so I'll come up strong. Yeah, I'm gonna go to Kimbay with the wagon. I'm gonna go. Ray lewis what I'm gonna pick somebody because I would pick he got ray Let's go. Uh this is a sleeper. But who I like a lot is Jared Allen the rope.

Yeah, bro right, that's a good one.

Okay, you gotta be all football, any sport. I went, w W, I'm gonna go Ronaldo?

What is Ronaldo? Dude? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm not a jumping down Yeah all right, cultured, yeah, solid, elite.

Unrealal tear.

Hey but yours? I mean, come on.

Now, you know, so the first time I when I did that, when that hit against Georgia Tech, my coach yanked me out the game. He pulled me out, and so I got the light switched from you know, I'm pretending to do turning the light switch on and off. But at the time I just pointed at it, and the crowd got louder, and I just, out of nowhere, I started jumping.

I didn't plan it, yeah, just the body taking on. It's just this isn't that first game or.

This this is the first game.

Yeah.

This was like when I came off, when I came off in the video to the show. When it came off, I was jumping up and down and doing it. My coach yanked me out the game. Roth Frigia did, and he said, if you ever do that, ship again. You'll never play here again this week told me. So I go from up here because I had a big ass

What was that dance?

You know? So just how people switch, It's called us the lights out dance. I just threw that ship out there. I didn't think it was gonna stick, and it stuck. And that's how I just kept what made you do it?

Again? Like was it your de corner?

I just pointed at it after that because I got a piling Yeah, you know, I got the game. But when I got into the league, it was like all bets are off, like you are ship man, I went, dude, it was even now, Dude. I'll go like in the country and I'll see people doing shit across the street. It's the craziest thing ever. I was in Miami probably about six months ago, and I was going to what's

Let's fucking go.

I was like, Yo, that was so not just I was bending over broke because I couldn't even stand up, and I was laughing my ass off, and I was like pouring down tears. But it's cool man to suit people people still doing that.

Yeah, you probably had a run. It probably still happens where you got. Halloween just happened where the mohawk was going.

That.

Yeah, that's fucking awesome.

Man, got more questions, dude, this has been all time, Like when you were when you were doing it, I was in high school, I was in college, like you were the fucking man bro, and it was fun to watch you then. And it's crazy to think now at thirty five years old, I have a podcast and you were sitting on the bus.

No, that's all, thank you. I appreciate y'all.

Man.

That's you know, keep dude, I tell anybody. And obviously launching the streaming platform. People don't know the difficulty of launching your own ship, you know. So it's a lot of work behind the scenes and people see it, you know, but they don't know what all goes into it. And it's those those days you're trying to figure shit out is this working? Is that not working? And you kind of on your own in a way, and it's a big risk. You know, I launched, I launched my damn

Let's fucking we can put the old Instagram comment to bed with Vernon.

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