Brian Callahan On Taking Over From Mike Vrabel + Expectations For Next Season

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I hope you guys all enjoyed that old intro. This week on Busting with the Boys Special Special time, we now for the second time, have a Titans head coach on Brian Callahan joins us on the bus an hour and forty minutes of him just talking ball, talking shop. Jack McPherson maybe had the best question of the entire episode is are you going to bring back the pain train?

Why not.

Now we know what happened that year in twenty nineteen, the Boys went to the AFC Championship Game. Before that game, Mike Rabel said it was a joke, and we lost against the Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead. Now I'm not saying Mike Rabel is the reason why we lost the Super Bowl, but if you do the math, Mike Rabel is the reason why we lost the Super Bowl by losing you with the Chiefs, by going back on his promise of cutting his dick out, So that question, if

Had Joe Burrow.

And there was one more sneaky boy in there that was like, oh shit, he's really had a lot of quarterbacks. Was there another one I'm not thinking of?

You talked about Jake Browning?

Jake Browning, which it's an interesting thing. Joe Burrow goes down, Jake brown goes in. The Bengals don't just completely fall off a cliff, and all of a sudden, Callahan gives himself a head coaching job to Browning, he kind of feels like that might be shitting on him a little bit. We go over all that stuff, we talk about all the new additions the Titans have brought into their organization with veteran wide receivers. Literally, Will Levis has so many

There are a lot of.

Things to look forward to in Nashville, Tennessee, this upcoming fall. The boys are so slept on you look at a lot of these power rankings. I think Bleacher Report put these boys around like twenty eight to twenty nine, even thirty. A couple of I've seen of these smaller pages have been put in the Tennessee Titans at thirty two. If I told you, hey, we got a team with Calvin Ridley, DeAndre Hopkins, Tony Pollard, a top ten pick at left tackle. We have a top ten pick or a top fifteen

Yes, match, the over under for their wins is six and a half. Before this interview, I may have taken the under, but after this interview, like, how can you not take the over on that?

Dude? I know.

The only question it's crazy to say in my mind other than the health thing is will Levis. Will Levis showed how insane he can be, his ability to take hits step into throes of pressure in his face, put just dots all over the field. The guy can make every single throw. Now he's got all the pieces and it really is ken will Levis elevate from year one to year two and have full seventeen games if he can do those things. Like I said, a lot of

If you're a real Titans fan, you take them winning the division like I did twelve hundred ods. I actually took it two days prior to Calvinriley getting signed, and I had a lot of high hopes as I always did.

What were the odds when you took that bat.

Plus twelve hundred? Really thirteen hundred?

How much you put on it?

Five hundred?

That boy cooking out there?

Huh? Come on now.

I would love to hear this from you, Jackie, because if those of you who truly follow Bust One, the Boys and Artier one to consume all of the insane amount of contact that we put in a weekend in a week out, which we appreciate you doing, and play subscribe right five stars. If you have an opportunity to tell be a friend telephone, get those things out there. When Mike Rabel was fired, Jack McPherson was on Suweye Watch. He was like, we've now just gone back ten years,

Oh hell yeah, I'm on the Cali train.

Now on the Cali train.

Coach.

He seems like a great guy. He seems like even better coach.

It's fun, you know, there's a fun city to be a coach and be a part of a system like this.

We've got great fans, good people.

The only downfall is in Nashville's like the perfect three day week in town. So any big market team we play, you know, the boys load up the truck Chevy Silverado, they drive to nash over three days, they party all weekend, and our fair weather fans will sell them tickets. So we need to call to action for real fans to not be selling their tickets and go to games even if we're two and fourteen, and it's raining fucking show up because it's all we.

Have two and fourteen. Is that a callback to twenty fourteen?

Maybe? But I was there too.

It's a sad time for us, man.

Yeah, but it's about to be a beautiful season. And I believe in Cali and I believe in Ran.

As well, so and we'll love this. I believe in all of the two tone blue.

I'm wearing it all today and not even by that's just an accident, because we live.

And die by that closet.

Dude.

It's literally it's just Titans gear. And I mean Mitch is wearing my shirt right now. It's Titans gear and weird T shirts.

That is a cool That is a cool T shirt.

I do really enjoy that.

You're not gonna You're not gonna keep it.

I forgot it.

Yeah, I told you I have a lot of cool T shirts.

I don't know, but those of you who don't know jackularly Pierson, I will tell you a little piece of him.

Jack is everywhere we go Jack.

We're mistaken for family, for brothers in one sense or another. Every place I go with Jack, if we're in a Bucky's or we're in Vegas, or we're in Alabama and there's a apparel store with wacky T shirts. Jackularly fierceon is gonna find his way in there and sneak away with one or two shirts.

You have weigh too many clothes. I honestly might do a little uh, a little garage.

Shale, a little spring cleaning.

Yeah, I need to just donate them, but I don't know. I just have way too many T shirts.

I have a like entire room because Garrett used to live with me in my house and then he moved out. It was an empty room in her house and the room is literally just full of T shirts.

And I mean, I don't need them, so.

You could donate, But why help the community when he can just make a couple of bucks?

Right, breaking news, The boy Robert Tunyan has just signed with the Vikings.

And you're hearing this on Tuesday. This actually happened five days ago. So five days ago, so breaking.

But man, and listen, the reason why we're shooting this shout out Rob Tonyan. He's a boy, he's been a part of the podcast. He obviously does tighten you. He's well integrated in the Nashville community. You know, and now he's just signed with the Vikings, which is incredible. The reason why this episode is being shot five days prior is because your boys an idiot. Me not will Your boy Taylor is an absolute idiot. We got a call from Two Bears, which is a great podcast hosted by

Now.

Will is actually in the other building right now. He's got a raspy voice. Anytime you raise it an octave above an eight, he has a problem with the voice. He gets raspy, he gets rasping in the old throat. We have a podcast later today which is going to come out in two weeks that I need my boy to save his voice for. So here I am diving on the sword talking to you beautiful people, saying, hey, I fucked up. Will gets the benefit and I feel bad for myself. If you feel bad for me, let

No, I think we're good. We already twisted with him. So I am thankfully off the hook this week, but next week this is my twisted question. I'll be back and please send me your twisted questions. I'll shout you out on the pod.

I need help, like dick questions I think we need like we don't.

It doesn't have to be about like would you rather have a dick for a face, or like you.

Know, ever since the Tom Brady Roast, white guys have really gotten found.

Out, we need like The best twisted question we had was would you rather have hit all red lights? Or have or hit all green lights? Or have the closest parking spot? Questions like that, like real world, those are the tough ones, those are the really good ones.

And we're still green lights, right, are you guys green lights? Are you guys parking spots?

I don't evenink that's the best question.

If you choose parking spot, you're literally dumb in the head.

I don't.

That's all I need to hear. If he doesn't fully agree with you, Mitch is admitting he's dumb.

Yeah.

I mean there's no parking lot on planet Earth that is big enough to use the park close enough where you are missing every red light.

I mean you're skipping.

Like today alone, the freewa was backed up by ease. I could have got to work like seven minutes faster. I would park across the street. Still not a big deal.

Not a big deal.

And it's not like if you don't, if you get all.

Green lights you have the worst parking spot ever, you're still gonna have the luck here and there getting that front parking spot.

I feel like I have nuns, like parking isn't that big of an issue, Like I feel like parking used to be an issue back in the day.

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Always humble beginnings.

Before we uh, before we jumped on here, we were on the other side talking about coach Bill Callahan's individual yes, and Taylor was asking, uh, coach Brian, did they call you coach Brian or did they call you coach Callahan?

You want to know most of them call most of them call me Cali.

Cali. Yeah, okay, I've got a little extra English on it.

I like that. That is nice. It's it's it's what most people have called me most of my coaching career. Yeah, and but yeah, coach works, Cali works. Weird. People don't call me Brian very often. That's a weird one for me.

Okay, mister Calli it is.

Then. Yeah, they was talking to Cali about the individual of coach Brian Callahan, and I was like, oh yeah. Sometimes in our individual linebacker drills and Washington, I'd be like, all right, water break and then we'd be like, let's go watch the Let's go watch the hogs is Indy and we just stand across the field and watch them.

They just be dying the whole time.

It's so funny. Brod's coach Callen's a grinder he gets out of you.

Coach Bill Callahan, Yeah, Coach Bill Callahan, Yeah, absolutely, what was go ahead?

I was just going to say, whatever timeframes that you get with any constraints, you're juicing as much, all the seconds you're getting it out of the boys.

Has he been like that always? As long as you can always.

Yeah, always, He's always been full till all the time. And that's how you get I mean, that's how guys get better. I mean you like we were watching yesterday, I think they might have done forty or fifty different pass sets, and they film every one of them and he cuts every one of them up to each guy. So you could watch all your reps for the whole day and see how you progress during a day and got better. But yeah, it's every usable second he uses. It doesn't ever stop.

What's his philosophy on PAS sets, because a lot of coaches come in they're like, we do it one way and one way only. Is he let the guys the boys do what they want.

They well, he coaches the technique that he's looking for. But there's a lot of variants in the set, the set angles, if you're jump setting versus a he calls a congo set versus an angle set. There's there's all kinds of variation that they use all the time, and there is some like he That's one of the things that I think he does great is he's able to have a conversation with a guy maybe that's played ten years and say, well, have you done it and find ways to work with them on what fits as long

Dude.

That's that's so awesome how the old dogs are willing to still learn and do all that. Because you get some of those old old school cats, they'll come in and be like, you do it this way and this way. Only one guy. Have you ever met Russ Grim?

I have not met him. I know him at it, I can't say that.

No.

I was with Russ for two years. The greatest offensive line coach I've ever had in my entire life. Yeah, and he comes in the first meeting and he's like, talk to me about stutter. I don't know if you guys have stuttered open open side pull scheme. And I'm like, okay, if it's a three technique, reduce to the mic and if not, then you're this. He's like, wha deuce or through the mic? That's it. I was like, all right,

Something to do that, yeah, or something to do that. It's I think the cool thing that fort like old coaches, and my dad's not that old, I guess, but he's kind of old enough. He's older, old gentleman. And what's been super impressive about him is his ability to go from like being that old, like the old old school style of coaching, and he's really adapted how he approaches today's players. I mean it's different now even then when

No one knowing that you've seen him kind of adapt and develop with those times. Is there anything that you've asked him on, like, you know, noticing that difference in him, understanding that he has changed.

Yeah, I think there's a there's a you know, I think one of the things that jumped out was, you know, they drafted Dewan James last year in Cleveland, and it was just he's just very different than the guys that he's been on and in a long time ago, he might have coached Dewan a very different way and ultimately it might not have worked very well. And just to see him adapt and know that maybe the way that I'm approaching this, de Wan's not going to respond to

When you get this job at the Tennessee Titans and you call your old man say I want you to be the old line coach from my ball club.

How did that?

How did that all go down?

It was It was cool. The backstory is I had interviewed for two jobs the year before that had gone oh well, A ways down the road. I felt like I was in the mix, and I'd have conversation with him and I said, you know, do you want to to do this. I've never worked for my dad, never he I never worked for him at any point. There have been some chances where I might have, we might have connected on staff together. I just never worked out. So I've never spent any time with him in the

Right, if that makes sense.

It's kind of a really unique setup. And so you know, we had to work through all those things, like my dad's like, I'm not for everybody. I'm what if you don't what if you don't like the way I coad you know what I mean? And you have to have those conversations, and so we did, and ultimately he was like, I just think I really like Cleveland, like Kevin Stefanski, and I'm happy here. I like the guys in the room.

Hold on.

I was like, OK, no, I mean that that initial conversation was like absolutely thrilled we didn't have it in that moment.

Yeah, yeah, but you know, yeah, you guys have a conversation, Hey, I got the job, proud of your son. Tears in both of your guys' eyes. The next day he calls you and without any context, goes, let me think about coming to help you out.

Yeah. I love that, And I think it just became one. It became much more real for him in that moment. And and I think had it been the year prior, I think the answer still would have been no. And but having it happen in real time and him going, man, this is what a unique opportunity to go try to help my son succeed. And I think I'd want to be a part of that, and so as you. I'll

To do this.

It'll be it'll be really pretty fun. And it's been maybe the coolest experience of my coaching career is to be able to go to work with my dad every day. It's been pretty sweet.

Dude. You had a unincredible like press or when you were talking about with your dad, like there was a lot of perspective, a lot of just like you can tell when you say that, like you genuinely mean it.

Oh yeah.

Was there a reason that you guy that you guys were never on the same staff. Is there something about saying maybe yourself to where it's like, Hey, I don't want to be known this way and don't want to feel like I get any handouts from somebody who's already been there, done that.

Yeah, Oh, that's true. One of the things I had finished. My dad was at at Nebraska at the time. I was just finishing my playing career, and he goes, he said, you look, you can come to Nebraska and you could be a here for me if you want to do that. I have a spot you can come do that. He goes, But what I would recommend to you is you've been at UCLA for for four years. You know the people there,

At any point, were you guys close to working together in the past.

No, nothing that came up. You know, when we first got to Cincinnati there there was some there was a chance that maybe it could have worked out. But it's Zach's first job and he's he wants to hire the people that that he wanted to hire, and it never got It was never more than like a curiosity, like, oh, I wonder if that would work, and it just he was still in Washington at the time, and it was all he was again, happy where he's at. He's got a good line there. It was no big deal. So

Yeah, talk about how you cut your teeth into the business and being a GA at U c l A and moving on from that role.

Yeah, typical GA stuff.

Man.

I made coffee and got people food and worked long hours, and you know, we had a really good staff there at UCLA, which it's someday someone will write a story about it. But Eric Banniman was the running backs coach. John Embry was our tight ends coach. Dino Babers was the receivers coach. Tom Cable was the offensive coordinator. Jim

Because really followers the Bruins.

Huh Yeah, it was me. In fact, the gas there were me, Clark Lee, head coach at Vanderbilt, Ryan Ficken who's been in the NFL for quite some time as a special teams coordinator, and Phil Rauscher, who's the line

So they didn't look over at the SEC and go, you know, they got a lot of guys over there, maybe we should do a couple of things too.

No like that.

Yeah, yeah, we were, They just didn't have the you know, it is a public means, yeah, I mean.

Yeah, but U is a nice area. It's Pasadena for sure.

But as far as like calling the shots, the big wigs like a fair enough football over everything will find a way.

Yeah, very very academically drove. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very academically.

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I think there's value in a baseline, like there is some things that you can you can you can look at it, and there's a number that they assigned to, uh, particularly to some positions that are really hard for like the average person to have any idea what is good and bad. But as far as like is it the end all be all and the grading system not at all. I mean it's you got to watch the game, you

It feels like they'll probably use the grades like have that there, and then obviously every team does their own, and then I'm sure that they.

There's a bench a little bit. Yeah, yeah, there's a benchmark. I mean it does give you it is it is a halfway accurate depiction of what a what a good and bad might look like.

You know what I mean, Yeah, if it's cut and dry, But the gray areas I feel like is we're PF because they're not there with the language of the play call and what the exact technick is supposed to do. I don't hate PFF at all, but there was a like there's a time where players, players in the locker room and the Titans were like kind of worried that if their PFF grade was bad that teams and coaches

No, I don't think I've never looked at it like that. Yeah, I've not been around anybody that ever has used that as like, that's our grade for a player. You're still great a player. Watch the tape and understand what's being asked. Systematically as well, other than just hey, this guy graded at a eighty two point six, Like, I don't know what that means. Number that's good if you got yeah, it's a solid numb you wouldn't be so mad about it.

Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

There will be the time where you feel strongly about PFF, but then you grade out well, so then it's like, all right, where are you going to stand? You know what I mean? Like say you hate PFF, but the ninety five it's like, well, I mean I did.

Have a situation they might be honest something.

Yeah, Yeah, I had a situation in twenty sixteen where they were grading me well and then Paul Kaharskan the group of the Titans news guys, were like, how do you feel about that? And I took a stance then and there they don't they don't run the show. Yeah, they don't run the show big quickly my grades went down, so I don't know. Yeah, that's where they might have kind of start. Yeah, it might be a little bit of takeing over the PFF.

Yeah. With you're throughout your coaching journey, you've been at some cool spots which spot or stop that you've been at has you feel has been the most pivotal for where you are now.

God, They've all, all, for different reasons, have been really really influential. The two that the two of the most are my time in Denver with Peyton Manning for four of those six years I was there, and then the journey in Cincinnati from where we started to where we ended up. Those two spots are probably the most because they're the longest days I had. They were the most influential. Obviously, being around Peyton Manning for any amount of time is

We grow him here at the bus. The fly keeps flying around.

Look you, I mean, Cicada's in here yet, I know we're They're.

Everywhere out here. Dude, watching Peyton in that last year where he necessarily couldn't throw it beyond five ten yards, what was it like sitting back? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'd say it. Well, watching him operate from being more limited than.

He ever has, Yeah, it was really It was a It was a wild year because we had just transition from in Gary Kubiak was the head coach, and then they brought that whole system which was vastly different from the one that he had run for the better part of eighteen years at that point, and so there was a big back and forth there. He had gotten injured that year and missed a bunch of time and then

Yeah, what's he like watching at practice? Like I've had teammates who have played with him, they're like, you know, if a tight end drops of ball, he'll take he'll take the he'll remove the tight end, even if even if you're back there like oh no, get back out there, the Sheriff's like, no, no, give me somebody else who's gonna catch the ball and be dependable in these moments. Like what was he like? That's accurate.

That's what it was. It was. It was a standard. And it's actually funny we're having a conversation today about guys that are like that, get to that point in their careers that have the pelts on the wall and the experience, but on top of that, the pressure, you know, the expectation is that they're gonna win every game. Aaron Rodgers,

Like that.

It was that intensity and the expectation.

He's coming into the game, Coach Kelly, you don't put him in the game, I'll be out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If I see him coming on the field, you'll see me walking off.

Yeah.

Uh.

So that part was just it's just a demand of the standard of what you expect every day and it was awesome And then again everybody rose to meet it. You know, we had young players and Eric Decker and Demarus Thomas and c. J. Anderson, I mean, meet some guys that were unproven at the time that he helped make what they became. And it was a really cool process. To be a part of man. He's unlike anybody I've ever been around.

What's it like with the coaches during practice when he's sending a guy away and the coach is like, no, you're in, And there's like this kind of this battle of egos between the sheriff and the coaches. Get uncomfortable at all? Is there like in the meeting room like this.

Can we be honest about it? It's if he doesn't want him in, he's not going to be whether coaches aren't.

Saying a word like yeah, yeah, you probably right eighteen.

I mean that's just what That's just what it was, and that's why and you and you, and it wasn't like that all the time, but like there was, there was a standard, and if you didn't meet it, the expectation was that you wouldn't be you wouldn't be there playing with them. But that's also what drove guys to be even better than they thought they could be, was because they wanted to be a part of it, and they wanted to be in that mode. They wanted to

So you have Peyton Manning and then you go to Cincinnati and you get blessed with Joe Cool Joe Burrow.

Yeah what is Joe? The staff and the two years, the two years in Detroit were phenomenal. It was I God, Matthews talk about underrated man like, I think he's one of the best quarterbacks in football and has been for a long time, and I think he finally gets his due, but there was a while there where he didn't. And he might be one of the toughest players I've ever been around, and one of the most crazy talented quarterbacks that I've seen play. I mean, he's unbelievable.

That clip of them in like a two minute drive to win the game and he like gets his shoulder out or something like that and he's on the sideline that.

Was in his career.

Yeah, Yes, that was like just one of the cooler things you see a quarterback do because he's like hurt and he's like, I'll do it, and he throws a touchdown. The games over they win, He's.

Like, shoulders broke, he broke his color bone. No ship, Yeah, I think that's what it was, if I remember correctly. But yeah, he's you want to talk about. I mean that you guys know, the things that guys play through that people don't know about is it would be shocking. I think if people knew what the guy's dealt with during a football season and the things that he played through and the toughness that he had, it was it might be the toughest guy I've ever seen. I mean, truthfully,

Never I don't think I met him either.

You just hear, you hear, just like that time.

Why do you think he was still under raid for so long? Just because the franchise layoffs?

Yea, they didn't win enough, you know, And that's again, that's a the wins tend to become a quarterback stat which they probably shouldn't be. But there he was on teams that were probably on the on the brink and could never quite get over that hump. And and then obviously he goes to l A and he's been lightning on fires and every time. I mean, he's been unbelievable. There, wins the super Bowl, all the like. It's he's finally

He got to l A.

He just didn't probably get the recognition for it.

And then you get Joe B. Yeah. Yeah, You've been around some cats.

I've been very lucky, I've been very bad.

Stafford, Joe Burrow. What are the similarities that all three of those guys have? And then you've talked about a little bit on the way that staff was Peyton was, and then also some differences with Joe B.

Yeah, I think it was. It was very different because Peyton was obviously going and I think when he came to Denver that was like year fifteen when I went, when I was with Matthew, I think Matthew was going into like seven eight A, seven eight nine ten somewhere. He was, he had been playing for a couple of years.

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Quarterback, probably about halfway through that first year where you're still kind of figuring some things out. Obviously it's a COVID year, so it's even more challenging. So he has no offseason. We don't have any OTA's, there's all virtual.

God, imagine picking up a playbook.

And and then there's no fans in the stadium. So his first game, we play the Chargers, and this is the game where uh Tyrod got injected and they punched Lung and so then it was Herbert and him playing and Joe goes down at the very end of the game. It would been like the legend of Joe Burrow would have only grown end of the game, goes down and throws a fade stop to aj Green in the corner of the end zone and they calls for OPI. So

But a lot of stuff came up in that draft where when when he gets hurt, everyone's like they need protection. You just said all the offensive lineman route. You sign a guy off the streets, he comes and starts for you that week, and you guys go pick Jamar Chase. Where was the thought process in that building when you're evaluating because you're you're thinking franchise quarterback. We know this is the guy, we got to get him. Offensive lineman?

What was it was the pin Sul it was and Jamal That was like the big debate. It's like, how do the how can the Bengals not draft the left tackle?

Looking back on it, you can't go wrong like both those yeah.

Both of me, Like these guys are going to both be all Pro players, right and whoever you pick was going to be right. But you we went back and forth and there was playing a debate, plenty of opinion on it, and ultimately I had went back some of my time in Denver when we had Damarius Thomas, Eric Decker and then Emmanuel Sanders and then in the slot we had Wes Welker and we were we were and.

I was so nasty underrated, Yeah, very very good player.

And we we had a game against New England when we were in Denver down the stretch and it was two bad was back to back plays or maybe two out of three plays. End of the game. We had to go win the game, and we hit two go balls down one each one each side. I think one was Marius, one was to em Manual, and it was like, man, when you got to win versus press coverage, it doesn't

So you were the guy that brought Jamara Cincinnati.

I'm not going to claim. I'm not going to claim. I'm just telling you my perspective on the argument was that, and I voiced that. I mean, that was my progative the voice it as a coordinator, and I think Zach felt the same way as Zach Taylor. I think he landed on that same argument. So the two of us sort of were in agreement, but ultimately it was that's a Zach Taylor, Duke Tobin and Mike Brown decision that gets made. But that's that was the argument back and forth.

Then the most fiery, drama filled moment in a war room that you've seen.

Hold on, Could I just did you guys talk to Joe Burrow at all about Hey, should we go tackle? Why receive it? Being a rookie, but knowing he's.

Joe's involved, we kept Joe in the loop on all the personnel decisions and the thought process and we actually talked to him a lot because knew Jamar and so Jamardin' if you if you remember Jamar didn't play that year because it was COVID year and he sat out and so there wasn't any recent film on him other than the year that he was tearing up the sec with Joe killing and so Joe was like, Joe didn't Joe was like, I'll take Jamar every every day and twice

I love it.

So I forgot you off get that same question. Yeah, most fiery or drama filled, tense moment in a in a war room that you've that you've been a part of or witnessed.

You know what. Not all there hasn't been as many.

Were somebody you look back, you're like, man, maybe they should we should have took that guy.

There's always that. I mean, I would say the debates between the players that were available to us and at

Yeah, with with that clock ticking down at five, how long did that discussion go before someone's like, hey, we got to call this thing in or was it pretty decided when you knew.

You once you knew what were the players, Because we weren't sure who was going to Gore is going to go to Atlanta, you didn't know. You didn't know if Miami was going to try to trade up. There was a whole lot of stuff going on that until you're on the clock, you don't know. But the decision had been made prior to the draft, even starting that if this this is the order we're going to go in. If this is if Jamar is there, we're taking them. If Jamar's not there, we're taking pay. If those two

When you when you hearing you talk about the Bengals and how you guys established your offense gets me fired up for the Titans because you're seeing how you view the field, how you feel you need guys to win and press one on one coverage, and you're getting all these athletes in there. All you have so many, so much talent on the offensive side of the ball. Now, like, what what's the expectation WHI should be happening for the Titans? We win it all this year?

Is this it?

You know?

I tell I tell Jack and Garrett back there, who've been Titans fans. It's the inception of Tennessee that we're going to win the Super Bowl.

I tell our guys all the time that we don't make any any predictions or promises, So I I certainly can't step out here and.

That's good meeting set, that's good.

Anything other than that, I will say this, though, I am excited about what we've done. The players we've added.

What do you see in Will Levis? Because again, we just rattled off three guys that you've been around, Paid Manning, Matt Stafford, Joe Burrow. What do you see similarly with with Will?

The drive? He's got the drive. He wants to be a great player. He wants to do whatever it takes to be a great player. I think one of the cool things about watching Will get to play last year and in some pretty adverse circumstances is you saw his toughness. You know, I think that's kind of a common theme with these guys, is they all have this kind of

With the with Ran, like you walk into the building and for the nine years I was with the Titans, like day one and two of free agency, nothing ever happened with the Titians. We kind of sit back, let the first wave go, and you kind of pick pieces up in the middle market. You guys came and started just cleaning house immediately do you and Ran? How clear is your guys' conversation of where you want the direction to go? Like, how that's just on the same page?

Clear?

Him and I hit it off in the interview process, and he was a guy that that I just connected with immediately. You know, you meet people and you just there's just something about the connection. You're like, this is this is the kind of person I want to go to work with every day. And it has been that way from the minute we stepped on our first Zoom

Process with like your philosophies in the way you want to kind of cultivate your first job being a head coach, like what you inherited with the Titans, from the familiar faces who are still here. What are some of the directions and vision you wanted to kind of take this team internally in the building. Yeah, from what you'd understood most previously.

Yeah. Well, I think the thing about the Titans, I think really for the history of the of the organization in Nashville, is that it's always been a tough ass team. You know, regardless of the players that have been on the team, there's just a there's been a tradition of this toughness every time we ever played Tennessee, it was like buckle up, boys, like you're gonna get You're gonna get every it's gonna be everything you got, everything they got,

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And I still feel like guys get nervous sometimes around me and I don't. It's new for me being in the role too. I realized how.

Much your position like a cool guy.

I'm learning more about the weight of my words and my interactions and how much it matters to guys when maybe you don't think twice about it, but it might be the only time you interact with the head coach the for a week, and like that hit that sticks with guys. I remember Eve as a play how that would stick with me? And I'm much more mindful of that now than maybe I ever was, And even as the days go by, it stands out sometimes. But I think that there's a lot of ways to win in

Uh.

It makes a really hard profession a little less hard. And I think when you get into the the part that when it is really hard, when you're in December and it's tough, and you're banged up and it hurts uh to go practice every day, there's something other than the money motivating you to go out there and play with the boys, right, I mean that's kind of what

Yeah, you ain't lying. I mean the playing football every day is it's a grinder, especially like you're saying later in the year, it gets dark a little earlier.

You're feeling on your nick last week of October is like the worst the walk through today or have to lace some up.

And you're right too, Like jokes you might say as a position coach or a coordinator might hit a little differently to an athlete. But if you're saying a joke as a head coach, like the athlete could be driving home like fuck does he think? I'm just like you're in your own head, But if he gives you something positive. Can remember Shanahan one time he came up all interception machine. This is like my rookie year. I had had two

Yeah, if I walked in one day, I walked into talked to one of the assistant coaches like I normally would like when I was a coordinator and I'm kind of busting balls, but I kind of see like the reaction on his face was like, oh, what like to do something wrong, I'm buying in trouble, And I was like, Oh, I probably shouldn't. I probably need to probably need to tone that one down, and yeah, make it, make it not feel.

So tone it down or tell whoever that is, don't be so soft. Yeah, we're having a good time. It's gonna be all right.

Jay would be talking about me making plays in space. I would literally just beg man, I know the front office though, the whole coaching stuff must think I just can't tackle in space.

But in your head about everything, he just said that joke, Like, I know, I don't. I don't think people understand how much mental warfare goes on between players and coaches. No, I don't know if you all try to do mental warfare.

But I just don't. I'd rather not. I prefer not to do that.

Which is so difficult though, because you're right, like the words of a head coach, when you say anything like a noline coaches due, you could easily write that off at whatever the head coaches it to you. You're calling your girlfriend, your wife, it's two family members, Like he said this, Like what do you think good, bad or ugly? You're doing whatever you can.

Tire off season, you're working on that one thing that was kind of said, right and rain forever.

And then as a as as a head coach, it might even he might not even have thought twice about it, might have just been like an in passing comment. Yeah, and all of a sudden, you're just like you just all in your head about whatever it was that was said, and the head coach might have forgot even said it.

Yeah, you talk about having fun. What's your stance on rookie shows?

You love it about them, You're about them, about them pro rookie show, however, yeah is you're twenty twenty fours A but the show there's there's have not been the recentokie shows that I've been around, subpar. Need the rookies need a little help from some guys out there in the world that know what a rookie show is supposed to look like. And uh, I've just not been not

Yeah, I was gonna say, you let me sit around training camp for a couple of weeks.

You'll you'll have a few down impressions.

Yeah, get some manurisms of yours and I'll just go after you.

I'll just go Yeah, going after the head ball coach is the best thing to do as a rookie by far, but it's also the scariest thing to do as a rookie.

Also true, you.

Gotta find that sweet balance being good graces with you, but also find all the possibly can.

But if, if you can get a good rookie show is maybe one of the better, one of the finer things in life that you set the.

Tone training camp.

Oh yeah, that's at the ending though, like you're like, everyone's kind of excited to get out of there. This is going to set the tone for the first game of the season. Yeah, all together for the last time before cuts. What's we're going to.

Get If any rookies are watching this study Coach Callahan and go after him during the Rookie Show.

Have to have to have to like go too hard, like make it the roast of Tom Brady, go to the family.

Just just lay it all out there and just just hope the reaction is good.

Yeah, go ahead.

I was just gonna say, who are, in your opinion, the funnier guys on the team.

I'm still getting to know. I'm getting to know more personalities. Is that as the days go by? It sure seems like arden Key's got enough personality for everybody, which is great. I love it. I enjoy the personality part, Like I love guys that got something to them and make it fun like that's that's awesome. I love when guys feel like they can beat themselves. Arden's probably the one that

I mean, that's what they got to be the most focused on, Like playbook comes second to the Rookie Show. To make sure that you have that rookies entertainer to make the ball club entertainment. Yeah, entertainment.

We're an entertainment business exactly.

With being the head coach for the first time and taking the first team meeting, addressing the team, what are the nerves like, because every head coach I've ever.

Had, it's a lot. There's there's some nerves in there, for sure, I bet, because you want to make you want to make a good impression where and again, we've had like twelve team meetings since the first one. So like the the novelty does wear off, like after you get through the first one, but that first one you spend a ton of time thinking about and you just want to make sure that when you come in there that the guys look at you and go, yeah, I like this guy. I'm I'm willing to listen as you

See you make sure has the same facial expression as the first time.

You know, you're not losing the crowd, right, And I try to be my team meeting, they try to be to the point. You know, I don't.

I don't.

I'm not a preacher, you know.

I don't.

I don't need to. But I do have messaging that I want to get across, and so I spend a lot of time thinking about the messaging and what I'm going to say, and hopefully that in a in a very short eight to ten minutes, I can convey whatever that is for the day. And I only have one a week, so I don't overdo it. Yeah, nobody wants nobody wants to hear me talk that much. I know that.

And the fall, you only have one a week in the fall.

In the seasons arts, it'll be a Wednesday and a Friday Wednesday, or Friday Wednesday and Thursday to the rest of the squad. Yeah, Thursdays is the own day. And then you have something night before, which can be sometimes the shortest two minutes, or you may go a little longer if it's a depending on the mood of the team and the and the game you're getting ready to play. But try to try to limit the amount of times I have to go preach in front of everybody.

What kind of coach are you? Night before a game, dude?

I was just thinking, like, are.

We watching a movie scene?

I got that.

I love something like what what's your go tos bro?

I very much try to keep like the pulse of like what we might which might need for that week. You know. I did something kind of similar with A in Cincinnati on Saturday mornings. I would do this tie in of the game plan and I would mix in whatever messaging I thought was, you know, might hit home.

Give an example like this messaging, Yeah, this movie scene?

If it's no I used actually used quite a bit of The Man the Arena documentary one year. I kind of took pieces of it over the course of the season, and then like every other week I might have something from that that because there was just so many good things from that documentary. I thought about, like what a championship team would feel like, and so I try to use as many mediums as I can to help convey whatever message I'd be trying to convey. And I even

Don't They bring them to the locker room after this. Yeah, they give him like a jersey.

Yeah, and so things like things like that. It's wild. It was, I mean, it's.

You know.

And then and then manager goes over like look at how fast and then transitioned right, balls in his hand, he's running, they're on sides and then he ends up with a hitting a man transition for a score, and like I think it was a huge game too. So then the manager's tapping them up and like things like that, if I can anything I can find, I use quotes some guys in the NBA. I've used Steph Curry, anything

When you talk about playing the Tennessee Titans held like it was effort, toughness and they are very well coached. Yes, what are the core values you're seeking to bring in with the Tennessee.

Titans with this new wave, just in terms of like what what I want our team to look.

For by the things you're going to preach, Like usually a lot of times, like coaches have like these are three things that we are going to be built on as our foundation as a team, Like as you being the head coach of Tesse Titans, Like what are those three pillars.

Or yeah, there's there's there's a little bit of nuance to it, but the main one is we have three c's and it's character, communication, and connected team And like those are the three things that I think matter the most is that the character guys. Are they coachable, are they dependable? Are they positive? You know what I mean? Is there are those the guys you want to be around as a teammate.

Uh.

And then when you talk about the communication part, like the best teams in the league are great communicators, verbal, visual, you know, especially up front. I use that example all the time. It's like, you got to pick up blitz Is on third down to win in the NFL, and you got to be on the same page. And sometimes it's allowed to ship on the road and you're on a silent count, and how do you how do we

That's a fine.

That's a fine. Yeah, So that's what we're looking not to do that. So those those three season, the last one I think I've kind of touched on is that being a connected team and being a part of something that's that's bigger than yourself. Like, again, everybody's got money, everybody's got players, there's talent in the league. Every game

That's awesome. I love that we talked about, uh the gun slingers with Stafford, Manning, Levis and Burrow, But I don't want to go. I don't want to not bring up Browning last year getting thrown into the fire in a very high pressure situation. Yeah, talk about him a little bit, because I feel like you it's like when that happened, it's like, well the Bengals, they're out of it. Yeah, but you guys, you know, obviously you didn't didn't win

We were in it.

Yeah, you guys were in it right there until the end. Like, talk about talk about Browning a little bit.

Man, what a what a what a story? Really? I mean, he's we we we stole him off the practice squad before we played Minnesota in twenty twenty one, and we brought him in too, ultimately sort of flush him for information. You know, they cut the quarterback loose.

We bring them the water board him, get him out of there.

When he came in and we're like, oh, this this guy, I think is you know, we like this tape. And obviously we didn't bring him in because just for that we thought he was a good player. But but that's just how the league works. You cut guys loose. And we were playing in Week one, so we signed him and he comes in. He starts like like, Wow, this

Like.

He was very vocal about what he felt like he could succeed with. And that's a ton of credit goes to him because you know, when you're in a position as a player, like you're like, oh, if I say this, they might tell me that they can't.

No, you won't do it.

You'd be afraid to say something you want to. You just you just want to do what's asked of you. And he goes in the first Pittsburgh game and we were kind of like, are you sure you feel good about this? And he's like, yeah, just call the game how you called it for Joe, I'll operate I'll play well.

And he didn't.

And he came back to the next week and is like, don't call this, don't call this, don't call this. Call these things. Give me more peer progression, give me a chance to work through a read, find me some things. And he was like, all of a sudden, it was like, oh, not thank you. This is what we need from you, and we'll do whatever it is you need to do to feel like you can play well. And so a ton of credit to him for being able to say that, but he went out there and showed that he's a

It's like, I mean, Joe b went down and they were still contenders with Jake Browning. Not like shitting on Jake, but you're like everything can still.

But yeah, yeah, inadvertently you do. Yeah and uh and that's so we laughed about it. But but I do think he he deserves a ton of credit for how well he played. He's kind of a self made I mean, he's worked his he's worked his tail off to get in position to when you get that opportunity to go to go play well. And he's gonna play in the NFL for a long time because of it. And I

Yeah.

Yeah, but he's a good but he is a he's a good football player.

Yeah, play him on the Titan someday.

Who knows he's he's got.

You never be an option.

Thanks in your contract for like a year or two two years I think for.

Oh you know, yeah, you're very aware. Yeah, so you're saying those quarterback controversy in Cincinnati right now?

Is that what you do?

You know what? Absolutely big debates. Who's going to be not sure, who's gonna be might might be Joe, who knows.

Who knows. It's the only time we'll tell him that. Hey, Hey, you guys doing listen to an audio right now?

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You do. It's different. I mean is it is a little bit different now, Let's not pretend like guys weren't coming in the league with money before.

Right, Not at UCLA obviously not definitely, certainly not there.

Yeah, maybe not in Nebraska either, but unless Michigan, Michigan. I don't know. I feel like that's I wish, Yeah.

I wish we had that sec treatment. I got a free meal once. I bring it up all the time. One time I got a free meal. One time. That fired me up.

You get like one hundred dollars handshake somewhere.

No, never, I never got offered a dime, and it bugs me because I would love the opportunity.

To take somebody's money.

Yes, I never hear.

About is they just put money like on a turnover on the sideline.

You were about a coach.

A thousand, and then another coach would match it, and then in college and Sue would get it. And it's like, oh, all right, yeah.

Because you know Sue was getting paid. You know something's happening. But Stafford, he I heard stories about him being at Georgia and be there'd be five hundred thousand dollars in his mailbox for him to stay for another year.

Yes, I mean, those those are all you hear those stories all the time, Georgia, right, yeah, because.

I get him and Bradford mixed up sometimes.

If you had to guess, would you think that's true?

I mean I think, I think. I think I think some of it gets there's they're probably like fishing stories, like the fish gets bigger as the years ago by. I think there's probably some of it. But crazy, Yeah, I'm sure at all. I'm sure they're I mean, they're not made up, like I'm sure those stories all happened pretty regularly, I would imagine. But the kids coming in now, I mean, you it's there. It's a different style, Like they've already been paid, you know, so this isn't the

The other In the NFL, they come up and ask for trades all the time. Yeah, your boy in Cincinnati, he said he wasn't getting paid enough, the Henderson, I mean, it's news that he asked for trade, public public knowledge clad airing the boy out. But you are constructually obligate. You publly should think about that a little bit.

But I think there that is the difference, though, is that there's no like I do like there's a resilience factor to maybe some of how some of these kids have come to college where the minute they don't like something, they leave, and the adjustment period comes when they get to the NFL and it's like, well I don't like this, and it's like sorry, you know, like you you don't have a choice. Like So that part, I think is

Yeah.

It almost might be a good thing actually that they're making a little bit of money in college.

Yeah, especially some of the the guys that are getting big money. You know, they're used to getting big money. They're probably getting big money because they're good players, and so they likely are going to get pretty good money when they get the NFL by their draft positions.

So and hopefully have like the right teams kind of already kind of building and structured around themselves to make it an easy transition. You would hope.

I think there is a little bit of a uh, there's some there's probably some predatory opportunities out there for guys and some of these guys in college that don't know anything, and when you're talking about putting people around you, you just hope that they're making good decisions with it.

Yeah, gotta have a team, Yes, you have a team that checks everybody. Yeah, Derrick Henry, Yeah, long time time and going to be obviously in the Ring of Honor.

Eventually, No, that.

Was there a conversation with you and RAN. You have to try to reach out and say, hey, let's do this one more year.

They had touched base, you know, RAN had a relationship with them, obviously being there for a year, and they went back and forth on what the money would look like. And we just knew we had the holes that we had to fill. The money would be allocated initially elsewhere, and the running back market went pretty good. I mean there's some guys that got paid. It was higher money than I think maybe we had projected to start across the league for the running back position. And that's good

Getting to hang out with you at the facility and asking if you'd come on the bus. So she started to learn that you were a bit of a STOOLI in your younger days.

I was, Yeah, I was. I was.

I always know that you're on the bus. Did you hit the group chat up?

Hey, I didn't tell anybody. Yeah, that was gonna be there's I got some old from my high school buddies will be pretty pretty fired up. Yeah that's pretty far.

That's awesome.

Yeah, I was. I I feel like I was on the I was on the I was on the front end of the barstool experience. I mean, it was back when it was just a handful of those guys blogging, when it was just the blog it was it was a two thousands.

The blackout party is that what it was called.

Other my brother and my sisters went and went to a couple of those blackout parties. They're they're only my brother, only eighteen months younger than me, and they would always tell me about the blackout parties and you see the videos online. It was it was a it was a different time on the internet, that's for sure. But yeah, I remember. I mean those guys were obviously Big Cat

Time I see Bake Cat, he's got more and more gray hair.

You just I can relate, I can relate.

Yeah, who was your favorite who's your favorite personality? Well whole up before you did.

Maybe we should tear talk this for him. Okay, are you are you a familiar tear talk?

No?

So tier talk is we're just based. It's a ranking system. Oh yeah, you're gonna start with three and work us up to one. You can give as much context or as those context as you want. The tier talk will be your favorite barstool personalities.

All right, will be got there?

Yeah, you start with three.

Start with three you can.

Give an honorable mention to if you're having a hard time.

Okay, I mean I would probably be the originals of the guys that I'm probably talking about. I would say, I would say my three. Okay, three would be I'll probably never be invited back here, But three would probably be Dave probably never let me back here.

That's because he's too low or Dave gets gets mad at us a lot.

Both.

I'm a big I'm a big I'm a big supporter, so I want to appreciate it. I would say two would be KFC and loveless and reading KFC's blogs back in the day, and then one would be big Cat. I thought Big Cat was his humor and my humor were very similar, and so it was going, Bro, he is, he's a machine man. I don't know how he does. I don't know how he keeps it's I mean, he's like he's like Internet Kobe or something like. He just got this.

That his recall incredibility.

You'll have a conversation with him and four years later he'll remember it. There was a clip that came out yesterday about him and KB on the YAT and it was back in October about him putting a razor blade in some of kb's food and eventually he's gonna give it to him with the calendar year, and he did it yesterday.

He's like an elephant, Bro, he is.

He really is an elephant. I thought that was so he actually.

Truth be told. He's got a question that he proposed to you.

Is this the Is this the one?

Yeah, it's the one that we don't.

Like see PC the BC. First of all, thank you for being a stoolian supporting us all these years. I got a question for you on taking a piss while I do this. I got a question for you on the bus.

We'd love to have you on the show, and I was looking at the calendar, June twenty fifth, If you want to come to Chicago, we'd love to have you, whole family, anyone.

Wants to come up June twenty fifth, come to Chicago.

We'll do an interview, we'll do the Gauntlet, We'll have a great time.

So that's I guess My question is.

Can you come to Chicago June twenty fifth and come on pmtant to some context.

The context on that is our Beer Games Championships of the World is on June twenty fifth. He is, he's on the list. He can't he's back out. He can't back out. He can't bas he has he can't back out. Yeah, and he's got this running bit happening right now that he can't back out. And since we've had to do a couple hurt we've had a couple bumps in the road with the Beer Olympics, with the Beer Games. Sure,

Absolutely, June twenty fifth.

We're gonna have to. He's busy, busy.

We also it's vacation time for y'all, too right, it is it is.

I'm moving. I am moving in that very short time frame from Cincinnati finally down here. I'm living in a house by myself, in an empty house with a bed. That's the life, that college lifestyle.

The matches on the floor, wires everywhere, TV lifestyle.

Sitting on like a folding chair to watch TV.

You kind of do enjoy it a little bit. Huh.

There's part of it that brings back to your roots, no doubt. But yeah, that might be a tough swing, but we can look into it.

Maybe next off season, maybe next off the next off season, because they will take you out to Chicago and just let whoever your boys are. You heard him saying, whatever wants to come, you should come with an entire crew.

And I'll say this about Chicago. Their HQ there is incredible. It's like a fantasy factory basketball. They have literally everything you want, basketball court, golf simulator, Chef Donnie and the corner will make you whatever you want. It's some of the best food you'll ever have. It's like the tidest facility with out the indoor, without the football field.

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It is.

It is very cool.

It's very cool. You'd really enjoy it. Cool.

My you know, my whole family is from Chicago.

Really yeah.

My dad's born and raised his South Side of Chicago. My grandfather was a Chicago cop. Okay, but old Irish Chicago cop.

Yeah.

Nice. Are you you grew up a Bears fan?

I did grow up a Bears fan until obviously I became a fan of my dad wherever we moved to. But when my dad was coaching in college at University Wisconsin, that was like the Bears were you know, he still I did still watches like every White Sox game. Oh really, Oh yeah, not very good.

It runs deep in Chicago.

Deep is deep. So my whole family, my everybody, my mom, mom's from the North Side, the whole family from Chicago.

Were you just a massive fan of your dad growing up? Oh?

Yeah, yeah. He was always the man always. I mean it's you know, yeah, through you know.

Years where you're like he doesn't know everything.

I never I know I did not really? Oh yeah, I mean, god, I need some not I mean so well, I'll say this like my dad was. My dad is an intimatemidating personality, and I was the oldest of four, and so I didn't ever have It was like I was scared to death to make a mistake because I you know, you ever hear him, yeall, he got a real loud voice and it's intimidating. Yeah, And I did not want to get I didn't want to get in trouble.

But this is weekend curfew.

Oh yeah, this is all the time curf Like this is yeah.

Seven old lights. Yeah, the game's over, You're going home home.

No parties for me, none.

That's the best. We don't forget that.

Go ahead.

But so that was the I was scared to death of Like I was not rebellious to my dad because I knew I watched my dad coach these guys for all these years and how he his demeanor and his style. I was like, I don't I don't need to cross that. I don't need those problems.

Growing up, were you like, were you a troublemaker or a straight shooter? The whole time?

I was pretty straight shooter.

Yeah.

I had enough. I had enough, probably enough mischief, but not anything serious enough to really get in trouble.

What is the most devious thing you ever did as a young team? Probably just tp a house, Probably egged the house. That's a that's his next step. That's egging is one thing.

He'll throw the toilet paper at the tree, but the minutes might gets out of carton and eggs. He's probably thinking, I want to He's the first.

One for me. Yeah, I can't go that far. Yeah, Yeah, that was It was nothing more like nothing more than that. It was never anything.

I had fun, classic boys being boys stuff.

Do you ever get in big trouble?

I did? Yes, I did one, and I was like middle school probably m hmm. I I can't really want to tell the story, but I am because it's funny and whatever.

Uh.

When I was in middle school, we me and my little neighbor next door, my buddy, I used to run around all the time. We wesed. We decided we were gonna make a torch parents weren't home. We run on so we wrap all this toilet paper on a stick and dip it in gasoline and we're like swinging it around. We're middle school what I gave and we're swinging it around and we're having a hell of the time. And we're in these woods behind our house, and we try

You know.

It's and and I look out like an hour later, and nobody my parents were home. I look out like an hour later, and the entire for the entire force is on fire behind our house. I mean it was like fire department. I mean it's like it's like flame. Yeah, and we you know, we didn't mean to obviously, but but it's like there's you know, it's a patch of I mean it wasn't small. It wasn't like a whole fun but I mean there was trees on I mean, it was on fire. The fire warman had to come

No, yeah, he cracked. He definitely boy cracked. Yeah, did you have a talk with him after my brother?

You got it?

Like, come on, man, how did you get him to crack? It's so easy because we were like relatively good kids. Like, it wasn't like he was. We weren't trying to do anything wrong.

I think he was.

But then so my parents know. And then my dad asked me on multiple occasions, hey, do you know anything about what happened back there behind the house? You Nope, no idea. I mean lied to his face, lied to his face, And I thought I was getting away with it, and little did I know, I was just getting set up. That was just he was just stringing me along, just waiting.

So he did it a few different occasions, maybe the first time he let it pass. I'll see if he thinks about it a little bit more, old man, that's a vet move.

That is a vet move.

So when you when you wonder why I probably wouldn't rebel. When I was in high school, I saw that and I was like, nope, no, thanks, No, I don't need those problems.

That's a savvy dad move. My dad would go out of town in high school and he'd like, you're not all out in the house. I go to your mom session all in the house. And one time we had a party and I came home and I was like, you you've been in the house at all. I was like no, But he set up like T shirts and certain things in parts of the house. I was I was just a little bit dirty. But he remembered every spot he put it in, so if it was moved it all. When he got back, he know somebody was

Yeah, Billy ever get you? Oh yeah, yeahsage that one that comes to my mind. I think I've tolded before, but my parents ri ode of town because my brother I'm a junior in high school. So my brother, he's a sophomore, absolute stud wrestler, he was. My parents said that I had to wrestle that year, be grounded all of winter. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad said it helped me in football, which there is truth the wrestling

The most of the most, the plastic stuff.

Yeah, and you know, it was rowdy to where basically I had to be on the bus at like five point thirty in the morning the next morning to go to the JV wrestling tournament. And we were up all night and I mean we're you know, we did I driven, we take somebody home and drop them off there puking in the driveway. As we're dropping them off, f I'm like, hey, you gotta hurry, like we have to leave so I can make the bus. And I'm still sauced from the night,

No, not not if you especially when you got one that's not one you want to mess with either.

Yeah, bro, you know there's a story I told her. My dad He's like, you ever want to shot at the title? You just let me know. And he's like this close to him and he just doesn't blow me kiss, but he just goes and in my face and I'm like, all right, all right, dad, And you ever want a shot at the time A senior, Oh, a senior. You should have swung that, man, Bro, I don't there's a different now, I would you know out of respect. It

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie to you guys like I wouldn't be surprised like my dad could.

So probably with my ass.

You don't want to Bill, Bill?

Might you think he would?

Bill? But this, I mean yoga is don't sleep on yoga, but this man's a yoga at six am probably every morning.

Yeah, just zen Oh yeah Bill, Yeah, Bill Kellen. Yeah he can do the splits and handstands and stuff.

Oh okay, I I had no idea.

Like I don't. You don't want to mess I wouldn't mess with him. Yeah I would.

That's the thing. Yeah, you know you're good. That's the thing too. With like Bill, Like you know, he carries this intimidating demeanor, but you know when he's saying something to you, he has he has your respect because you know, in his world he's putting in all of that work, not just in studying, but in lifestyle with the yoga and watching him prep all the way up until kickoff, like laying on his back and just like studying his

I appreciate glad.

I never got to you, never had to partake in his individual drills. But he always loved and the sled.

Yeah, I always loved the Bertha and Olga Olga.

Yeah.

God did he create those.

Yeah, he invented the sled.

Do we invent the actual sled or actual sled?

The sled that they were hitting, no ship, Yeah, that actual actual invention of the sled.

Do we have as Yeah, this is a wild j C is a he that's a unit of a man. Yes, and he's being he got folded the first time he see him starting to figure it out, and they figured it out. There's no way anyone ever does good on that the first time.

Never.

No, And that's when my dad's laughing at him because they he bet him. Jasey's like, no, I got I'll get it, I'll move and my Dad's like.

Okay, just hands in his pockets.

Yeah, but yeah, they they invented that sled when he was in Washington.

That's that's impressive. Right there resetting the hits.

They call it taking another bite, So he takes another bite and gets going. But that sled he he worked with Ray Crowd, the company, and they they sort of developed it together and and made that that sled. The angles and the and the handles where your hands fit, and like just it feels more like what a defensive lineman feels like coming off the ball versus like the old squared up sleds.

Yeah.

Yeah, with j C drafting him, getting your first opportunity to get your hands on him a little bit, is there anything that surprised you at him that you do think that maybe he didn't have or is he.

Has advertised as advertised? I mean, we felt like there was there was two linemen that we felt like we're worthy of top ten picks, and that's Joe Alton and JC and the two guys that we were like, either one of those guys will happily take yeah, if they're available to us. And thankfully j C was. And he's everything we thought he was gonna be. And he's got a super high ceiling because you just he's just got all these physical tools that you he doesn't even really

Was there a fear for you him playing his whole career on the right side, now moving him to left.

No, because you know, one, it's been done before, guys have transitioned from left to left. He played left in high school, so it's not like he's never been in a left handed stance. Played four years to Alabama because he had to with Evan Neil and I think it was Tyler Steen maybe, But so they had guys that left and then they had a five star recruit come in and he'd already played a couple of years over there, and they were like, well, this is our chance to

Yeah, and he's got the talent to do it, so that's awesome. I'm glad to see her that he's a good dude, because I worried those top notch SEC schools after dealing with Isaiah Wilson in twenty twenty. Sure, that was a horrible experience for everybody involved in the Titans.

Buildings from Afart seemed like that was not a lot of fun.

No, it was not, But he does seem JP was with him. JP's not in here. JP was with him at IMG and he says he's an awesome guy. He was, dude. Yeah, an IMG two academy. The they have like leadership, they have like mindset classes.

It's a sports factory.

Yeah. Yeah.

We always talked to Tyler Booker who was at Alabama with him, and the way he was talking about mindset and meditation and all that. It was like eye opening to see that this young cat has all these tools already. Yeah, it's because IMG.

Yeah, I mean that he's and he was a numb one recruit. It's not like he's nombre recruit in the country. He goes to Alabama, it's like his he's known nothing but success. Yeah, and sometimes there's there's something to that. I think it was cool though. The other day, after the first practice, he struggles with the sled and he's kind of kind of made him mad, like he's a little bit disappointed he couldn't do it the right way right away. And so it's like five o'clock. They had

Yeah, that's as a juicy yeah. As a head coach, you got to look at that and be like, that's the guy we just drafted. That's awesome, unbelievable feeling.

That's awesome. And but then there's also the flip side of it, is like, dude, you're gonna get plenty of work. You might just want to take the recovery when you get it.

But what a good first impression.

But yeah, I mean it was that that goes a little way, and it was every day after that where he'd be out like you just it's like part of his routine. And when you see a young player, it's got some routine where it's like I need to go do this, this and this in the afternoon because that helps me get ready for the next whatever it is. At least there's some thought process behind it, like yeah.

Man, that'll do.

You'll be able, you can be alright.

That's got a fire.

Fire.

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We have two massive Titan fans sitting on this bus right now, Jack McPherson and Garrett Hargas. They've been Titans fan since the beginning. Boys, do you have any questions for coach CALLI?

Yeah, I do, Jack Parson, how's it going?

Jack?

Lifelong Titan fans, Super excited to have here on the bus and behind the range of the Titans. My question, with the significant upgrades we've gotten in the wide receiver room recently, what is your plan regarding trailing Burk's with.

Him only having one TD in twenty two games.

Yeah?

I know you've been asked this before in the media, but would love to hear it first and from you.

Sure, I think that's a that's a topic of conversation these days. I'll tell you this, I only know what I've seen of him. Obviously, I know that what precedes him just because I've watched it and I understand it. But from what we see on a day to day basis with Tray, he's been phenomenal. Like his work ethic,

That's awesome.

My second part question as well, who what credentials do I need or who do I need to talk to to be able to be the twelfth Titan and swing that sort of honor put in the middle.

Of the You know, I've not experienced this yet, so you might have to.

It's okay, it's the first thing they do right before the coin toss, and usually it's like an Eddie George or a Javon curse. But what about Jack McPherson from Nashville, Tennessee swinging that sword? Also one request again, you've never experienced this. We need to bring back the OG paintrain video.

Yes, yes, this is OG Paintrain video does have to come back.

I don't know what happened if it was a copyright issue, but there was an original video they played before every fourth quarter of every.

Game, and it needs to come back.

I know if there's any Titans fans listening, they're turning this up and going, come on, come on, Callahan.

All right, key, they're calling them Kelly. A couple of things right here, Jack, while he's answering the credential part of that question, can you pull up the pain train?

I'd like to see this.

Jack is a guy. If you give him a reward at the end of a tunnel, he will work endlessly. Rich Eisen has not come on our show for almost three years now, and he was told if he tweets at rich Eyesen every day until he comes on the show, we will gift him a Chevy Silverado. We're at day what three something? Today was excuse me? See three years and I got mixed up with this.

This is the O. G.

Paine train.

But yeah, Terry, is this like Terry Tate?

Oh yeah, office Linebacker.

I used to love those commercials.

You're gonna have to put on headphones, I believe you want to hear.

That's what this is great because they throw a little Johnny Cash in here. This is awesome.

I started over Jack.

When did they stop playing.

This two years ago? Years ago?

Yeah, there there's a version of it. It's similar.

But people are saying ever since the one left the building, they couldn't play that anymore.

I'm not saying it. But we bring the O G video back Titan super.

Bowl four, Well, I'll do some research on that, Okay. I gotta figure out why it went away in the first place. Yeah, there's nobody anymore because I played a Terry Sate video one time from the guys. How the players looked at me like.

I forget he can hear me? I told him, I told I told him. We had a we had our twisted question. I said, that's the one you got to ask, and I said, we can't let Mitch talk.

Yeah, Mitch michows are twisted questions and it's been it's been tough unless he has helped with people in the DMS. Twisted Tea is a refreshing hard ice team made with real brew tea and five percent alcohol. Full of flavor and very refreshing. Twisted Tea goes down smooth, no carbonation would make which makes it easy to drink all day long.

I don't know if I can. I don't know if I can commit to that part. I got young kids.

As this twisted question, Yeah, what are you willing to do for a Tennessee Titans Super Bowl?

I'd be willing to do quite a bit. Would you take off a limb like a finger, let's say whole hand like Ronnie Lott style.

Let's say whole hand.

Would you hold hand? Yeah, your dominant hand.

My dominant hand for super Bowl? Yeah, for the ten See Titans.

As the head coach.

That would be pretty That would be pretty sweet.

Old man gets one.

Yeah.

Jack McPherson gets one.

That's the most important, most important.

Garrett Hargas gets one. Sorry you didn't speak, I was wrapped up.

Would you take off that dominant hand? M hmm.

That would be tough, That would be tough to that would be tough to offer up. But in fairness to the commitment, I could, I could be if that's what it meant, I would. I would give it some consideration.

That this is a answer no question. Are you willing to now that we've narrowed it down to a dominant hand, would you cut off your right hand for a Tennessee Titans Super Bowl?

I cannot cut off my right hand because now here's the problem. Here's the problem. I get into that same situation again and someone says, I heard you would cut your hand off. Yeah, you'd have to have some incredible commitment to the process.

How about this?

Yeah, but then you finally do it, and then you could bag then you.

Could well afterwards, then you can back with the commit what's the fun in that?

Right?

Two options? I'm gonna give you two options. There's a classic locker room where a gun to your head, you have to choose one. Yeah, would you rather for a Titan Super Bowl, lose one testicle or get a busting with the boys. Tramp Stamp Championship twenty twenty four tramp stamp on your low back?

Oh, I'll do I'll do the tramp stamp. Yeah, I could do that. We got. I did a tattoo for it.

Took us a couple of ways when he said a little too easy tramp stamp.

Yeah, yeah, no problem, he's actually a tattoo right there.

One.

Yah, you can do it over the one already.

Get Yeah, Garrett, I did not give you opportunity to time out, time out, time out.

He never got a chance to answer the uh to say if he's going to bring back pain Train or Jack an opportunity to maybe one day swing this.

Yeah, he told me. He told me to a swish. I was like, we're getting right into it, right, that is that's my fault. I'm realizing what I gotta do the research.

On the video.

Yeah, Pain details that because.

I don't know what. I've never even heard of it. I didn't know.

So let's let me it plays in the fourth quarter, right Yeah?

Oh is that on the fourth quarter, like like renegade style in Pittsburgh Like that's.

Yeah, yes, that's to kick off that fourth quarter.

Yeah, I hear that.

You know. The fans want to maybe you ask questions.

Yeah, I can do I can. I can at least give you that. I'll look into it.

That's all I'm asking yeah, George, the swords new for me too.

I gotta figure out what.

And maybe the sword just so it's a little bit more enticing for y'all's demographic. Maybe we bring Will and Taylor X Titans out there too, then they can help and we can all as a team slam that sword.

In the ground.

We just both get on the knee and handed to Jack, no doubt.

Yeah that's exactly Jack.

And hold it together and put around boys twelfth Man then just King Arthur. Yeah, I like that.

Yeah, g did you have anything?

Yeah, I got a question.

So, with the addition to the weapons on offense and a unfortunate Titans fan base that can be fair weathered, what can the fan base look forward to this coming season.

Well, I think that we're gonna have a I think we have a team of guys that are that are hungry to prove I know not I know the perception of us outside of of our building is not high. I think we have a lot of people that don't think that we're gonna be much and I think that's where we want to be right now, and then we have a chance to to prove a lot of people, A lot of opinions wrong. I think we're made I think we have a team that's made up to do it.

Come watch, show up to the games.

People.

I said, Look, I said I said it in my opening press conference. I said it like we need the city of Nashville and Titans fans like we need them. We need the stadium to be a place that people come to and are like, oh man, I don't want to go play in Nashville. Like that's what we're looking for. We need that environment. So all the fans, Titans fans

That's well, yeah, that's a good question.

All core of a Titans fan base out there for sure.

Every yeah, every franchise has there five percent like that five percent crazy fan base, and the Titans five percent is strong.

That's great.

I love that.

It's they're crazy people in the best way possible.

That's what you need. That's that's what makes the NFL the NFL.

Ye Matt neely Man, Yeah, he was the one.

Yeah, dude, Thank you for coming on.

This is awesome, This is fun.

An hour forty with the head ball coach.

Yeah, I love it.

Bill listens.

I can't promise you that I'll listen.

Yeah, I hope he does. Just know that we might have to say hey, will say you hope he listens to that.

I think we can probably make that.

Yeah, we do appreciate you coming on.

We will be flying the Titans flag all season long. I love on this bus. We'll be supporting you the whole time. We appreciate you coming.

Appreciate that from from you guys, and thanks for having me on. Man, this is black.

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