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The Biden administration and many other liberals changing their tune a bit after that Israeli airstrike killed seven AID workers for World Central Kitchen. We'll tell you about that. We also have some big news on the warfront. Israel has withdrawn from southern Gaza. What does it mean a lot of speculation, a lot of questions there, so we'll get
into that. We're also keeping an eye on how a run will retaliate for that Israeli strike on their consular building in Syria and very dramatic escalations and questions there as well. Campus Owens has opened a rift in conservative media.
It's a very interesting story.
Obviously ties in with her being fired from the Daily Wire and her commentary with regard to Israel and possible questions around anti Semitism.
So we'll break all of that down for you.
Joe Rogan is debating Coleman Hughes on whether or not Israel is committing genocide.
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All right, So we wanted to start with the Biden administration's reaction to that strike that killed seven aid workers. For Jose Andre's organization, World Central Kitchen for the first time, they're changing their tune a bit, and actually reportedly in a phone call, Biden didn't really change US policy, but threatened to potentially change US policy, and even just that threat has compelled some changes in behavior on the Israeli side.
Here is John Kirby, Pentagon spokesperson, talking about the possibility that military aid in the future could be conditioned if Israel does not change the way that they are conducting this war.
Let's take a listen.
Is the Biden administration position still that there should be zero conditions on aid military aid to Israel.
I'm not going to get ahead of the President or decisions he might or might not make going forward. He was very clear in his call with the Prime Minister that if we don't see some changes in their policies in Gaza and the way they're prosecuting operations, We're going to have to make some changes.
In our You do think these are Israeli policies?
Then a new block.
Eight they have.
They get to decide how they prosecute this war. It's their operation. We just talked about them pulling troops out. What that means. They get to decide how they prosecute operations. We get to decide how we're going to react to that and how we're going to administer our own policy with respect to Gaza. We make those decisions, and the President was clear with the Prime Minister. If there's not changes, if things don't get better, then we're going to have to make changes of our own.
If things don't get better, then we're going to have to make changes of our own. Leaving it very vague, The President also asked about what all of this means in a short exchange on the fly.
Let's take listen what he had to say.
We do breaton documentitary, Hey, they thread, I have them agree what they're doing.
Helpful there. I asked them to do what they're doing. All right, Well, let's dig into a little bit of what they are doing. Let's put this up on the screen from Axio. So immediately after that phone call, Israel announced that they had agreed to increase humanitarian aid delivery to Gaza. There's a number of actions that they're taking on this front. So they're opening the arrest crossing the Northern Gaza Strip. That would be the first time since
October seventh. We also have a quote from Kamala Harris in this piece. She said, the President made clear we will make sure Israel isn't left without the ability to defend itself. At the same time, if there are no changes to their approach, we are likely to change our approach. So very similar to Kirby's comments, let's go ahead and put up the fifth element on the screen here, guys, to show you the additional actions that were taken. So the UN says that Israel also approved the reopening of
twenty bakeries and a water pipeline in northern Gaza. There are also some additional legis efforts that they are claiming that they're going to make in order to create a better functioning coordination so that more aid can enter the strip. And in addition, according to the Israelis yesterday saw three hundred and twenty two AID trucks entering.
The Gaza Strip.
That is the highest daily number of AID trucks that has entered the enclave since October seventh. Again, this is according to Israeli official So take that for what it's worth, as reported by Barack Revide. But you know, there's a couple things that are noteworthy here. I mean, first of all, the Israelis have long been saying, oh, we're not doing anything to blockade, We're doing everything we can to get aided.
Oh really, Well, it turns out that you could, at the snap of finger open new crossings, reinstate a pipeline, reopen twenty bakeries that have been shuttered, increased coordination, immediately surge the number of AID trucks coming through. So this line that they've been feeding you all for months now, that all we're doing everything obviously complete and utter bullshit. Second, really noteworthy point here is for the people are saying, oh, well,
Israel's a sovereign country. We really don't how many say over what they do. The Biden administration did not even change policy. He made one phone call where he threatened to potentially in some amorphis way change policy in the future, and that was sufficient to compel a change in behavior from the Israelis.
Well, it validates a couple of points we've been talking a lot about here. Number one is that, yes, there is some certain personal sovereignty that Israel has, but there's also a client state relationship here. This is the nation that has received more foreign aid than any other country in the entire history of the US if you look at the overall dollar amount that we've given to Israel,
and for vast majority of that is military aid. On top of that, Biden administration has been a critical lifeline to the Israeli military whenever it comes to its weapons, and we've also seen a pretty major change in their battle strategy.
Let's put this up there on the screen.
There's a lot to say about this, and nobody really quite knows because you could see either way. I please put yes IDF is ending quote its active ground invasion and completely withdrawing from southern Gaza. This is from the Jerusalem Post, which is more of a right wing organization inside Israel, and they say that the decision comes less than two days after Israel opened the Aras crossing and
the Eshdod port to transfer humanitarian aid. I do want to spend some time on this because I saw actually some interesting analysis from again Israeli commentators, and one who in English put it this way. He says, these are two very concerning data points from Gaza.
One.
After the multi week campaign in and around Al Shifa, mortars are still being fired at the IDEF from northern Gaza as troops are leaving the Gaza Strip. This shows that the enemy still has quote plenty of forces in the north too.
After months of battles.
Now in Communis by the ninety eighth Division and its commando Brigrade, four soldiers were just killed yesterday, announced by the IDF. This shows that the enemy still uses tunnels and has weapons despite months of being chased around. The problem with the strategy of clear and not hold is that it seems to inevitably mean Hamas returns now. He's writing it from a very like pro is really military perspective. But the reason why it really struck out to me
is that even the clear ride is really military. Analysts inside the country are like, hey, this entire military campaign did not actually achieve it's so called military end we have rockets and military capability in northern Gaza and in Conunis, both of which were promised as the justification. You can see majority from the US commentators and even defenders of military strategy is it's working, and yeah there's a high
civilian casualty, but what are you going to do? But this is actually evidence that the enemy both retains its military capacity, that they have not been able to destroy Hamas, and that even with all of their tactics, their effective free fire zone, etc. That it hasn't worked, Which is I mean, frankly predictable from the start with the way that they've decided to wage the war.
It is not only predictable from the start, it was predicted from the start, including by people who are not you know, deep military experts such as ourselves, the idea that you were going to defeat Hamas and that was going to be the you know, the actual goal of the strategy. I mean, it never made sense from day one, first of all, that you would even be able to do that or what that even means. Second of all, the tactics from the beginning, remember we covered those comments
from JOCKO about this. The tactics were never consistent with that goal. The tactics were consistent with revenge. The tactics were consistent with annihilation. The tactics were consistent with collective punishment of the entire civilian population, which is where you know, the siege comes into play.
And I've got a lot more on how.
Those tactics actually were decided on and how they were executed in the field in my monologue today. But the idea that this was some you know, hunt for Hamas and it was really this targeted military campaign directly at Hamas, that was preposterous from the jump. But now they're at a place where they can sort of no longer sustain the lie, even amongst you know, our own supporters who want to believe the lie, who want to believe that justification.
It becomes too preposterous for anyone who is looking at this thing clearly to sustain. So what the Israeli Defense Ministerio of Glant is saying about their withdrawal from communists from southern Gaza, leaving a very minimal number honestly of soldiers still remaining in the Gaza strip. Basically they are posted up along the corridor between North and South. This dividing line to prevent Palestinians from returning to their homes
in northern Gaza. That is the bulk of where the troops remain in the Gaza Strip now, they claim, and US Intelligence has also put out a statement to the same effect that the reason they are withdrawing from communists and southern Gaza at this time is to rest up and prepare the operation for Rafa.
We know that Natanyahu has.
Very aggressively asserted that there is no way he will be deterred from going into Rafa. That is still hanging out there. So what this actually means, I think it's very honestly difficult to say at this point and what it means for the future. The other thing that's hanging over this, you know, with a lot of question marks, is there are ongoing negotiations occurring in Qatar for some sort of ceasefire. Don't know the length, don't know the contours of that, don't know how likely that is to
actually come to fruition. But one of the things Hamas has been insisting on is some sort of IDF withdrawal. So the other possibility is this withdrawal a precursor to some sort of either temporary or more lasting ceasefire deal.
We simply don't know.
At this point, but obviously the fact that there was such a significant withdrawal from southern Gaza is incredibly significant and something to really keep our eyes on now in terms of Netan Yahoo and his domestic political situation, as we've said a million times, and we're not the only ones, he has to keep this war going, to hold on to his position and power. Obviously, there are huge questions about him leading to October seventh. He is deeply unpopular
in Israel almost across the board. Once the war is over, there will be a clamoring for new elections and he will be in big trouble. Bet So, I think he almost has to hold on to, you know, a potential a Rafa invasion, as he asserts, as a certainty, he has to hold on to, you know, what's going on in northern Israel and their tit for tat escalations with Hezbola that still has the possibility of really.
Flaring up and escalating.
And then we're going to talk more in the next block about this additional front that he's opened up directly vis a vis Iran and what that could mean. For the future, because again, his political fate depends on keeping this war going, which is why I'm a little bit skeptical that the withdrawal of troops from southern Gaza at this point really spells like, oh, they're actually winding things down and this is coming to some sort of a close.
I think that they're trying to keep their options open. But I mean, again, these really right wing is actually reading it as a defeat. So apparently I'm reading back here again from a translation. But the Israeli radio this morning, resh At B, apparently a large radio organization, said this morning that basically Hamas is getting a lot of what it wanted and that the withdrawal of forces from Communist is basically quote a kind of sea.
Sire without it being official.
They also say that considering the narrative during the war that there won't be Hamas and military pressure is bringing the release of hostages, we are wondering now if those talking points will be quietly shelved. So I think they're in a holding pattern. I don't think they really know
what they're doing. Of course, they're going to try and say face and be like no, no, no, we're going into Rafa but international pressure and changes and wins here in the US very clearly dramatically shifting after the strike on the World Central Kitchen. I don't get me wrong, I would not put it past them whatsoever. And if things change, if these things fail, or if something else happens, that
could influence events very much, could be possible. But regardless, I think we're in an interesting kind of.
A flux situation right now that could go in two different directions.
Yeah.
Absolutely, I think my personal assessment is that BB has to hold on to the invasion is coming.
Yeah.
I think he said it so clearly and made that promise so clearly so many times. I really don't think he can back off of it without, you know, immediately jeopardizing his political position, which is his end all feel. I mean, he's an ideological actor, but he's also first and foremost a political animal. There's a reason that he has held power so often and for so long in Israeli society. So I think he has to stick to
that pledge. But perhaps there's you know, responding to this tiniest bit of US pressure that the Biden administration has put on of you know, let's back off for a bit and let things cool down, let a little bit more of a trickle of aid flow into the strip in response to these concerns from the Americans. And again, just take note, take note everyone. It did not even take an actual change in policy to compel some changes
on the Israeli side. All it took was the threat of possible future undefined action, and we saw immediate.
Response from the Israelis.
So keep that in mind the next time they try to gaslight you into oh Biden's doing all he can, and oh we just you know, we're just impotent. We have no power in this situation. That is nonsense. That is utter and complete nonsense. The strike on these is by the Israelis on the World Central Kitchen Aid workers has had tremendous fallout, I would say, especially among American liberals,
which is interesting for a variety of reasons. But chefjose Andres himself speaking out over the weekend and taking a very hard line against the Israelis here really calling into question their quote unquote investigation into what happened. Let's take a listen to a bit of what he had to say.
We could argue that the first one, let's say, was a mistake the second. The third, do you believe.
Old Central Kitchen was targeted on purpose?
My humanity tells me that Obviously, I don't want to believe that was a kitchen was targeted, and probably this was not the case because I'm sure they knew our movements. I'm sure they knew our teams. I'm sure they were in the red content with the different people that coordinate in these situations. But obviously this seems keeps happening, this breaking of communications keeps happening.
You wrote a very emotional tweet this week about Zomy, saying, I wish I never founded your organization. You would be alive somewhere today, smiling and making somebody somewhere feel like they were the most beloved person in the world. Said you wish you'd never found it Central Kitchen.
You know, I will forever have to live with this, as well as the families and all the members of Los Andel Gitchen.
I I.
Founded with one very simple idea, can we provide food and water quicker than anybody else?
Obviously, something like this makes you think we did what we did.
Because it's a lot of people that are always forgotten, many civilians, women, children, that the only thing they did was trying to get close by to somewhere that they were giving them flower or breadth. This is not anymore about the seven men and women of World Central Kitchen that perish on this unfortunate e band.
This is happening. Wait for too long.
It's been six months of targeting anything that seems moves. This doesn't seem a war against terror. This doesn't seem anymore a war about defending Israel. This really, at this point seems is a war against humanity itself.
So obviously some really strong comments there made by Chef jose Andre saying this doesn't seem anymore a war about defending Israel. This really, at this point seems it's a war against humanity itself.
Remember early on.
He was a supporter of this war early on, so to hear that from him is quite striking. In an addition, suggesting they were targeted directly calling for an independent investigation, calling into question the results of the Israeli investigation that already occurred, talking about it seems that they are targeting everything that moves, killing women and children whose only crime is seeking out a loaf of.
Bread or a bag of flour.
Let's go ahead and pull up this next piece, this IDF investigation that occurred and what they claim to have found. So they dismissed two officers over those deadly drone strikes on aid workers. Basically, they're sticking with this, with this story that somebody spotted a supposed militant with a gun, not even a militant, just a person with a gun, and that that was enough for a strike on this
aid convoy to be authorized. And again keep in mind, first of all, in a war zone, it is entirely appropriate to have someone with a gun escorting an aid convoy. Second of all, as jose Andres himself indicating as you could see in that photo that was just up on the screen, all three of the vehicles had the World Central Kitchen logo on the top. They were coordinating directly with the IDF. They were traveling along a known deconfliction route.
They were following protocol to a t. Every communication was made to try to ensure that the Israelis knew, hey, we are leaving our warehouse and we are heading out in these vehicles. And did they weren't struck once, they weren't struck twice, They were struck three times, and we're supposed to believe that, you know, it was Oh, it was just a mistake. It was just a misunderstanding. We couldn't see the World Central Kitchen logo in the darkness, so that was what they found.
But even soager if.
You believe their story, it really demonstrates the actual rules of engagement on the ground, which even the theoretical potential presence at one point of someone with the gun was enough to justify the murder of seven aid workers using three different drug strikes.
Yeah.
I don't want to sound insensitive, but part of what has annoyed me about the turn on this we're about to get to this is that it took the killing
of these Western aid workers to prompt this. This has been self evident since what the very day that they announced what was it that they announced that they were doing a complete siege into the Gaza strip, Like we have known from day one, this was evident whenever three Israeli hostages came out of a building waving a white flag in Hebrew saying we are hostages, and they shot them dead because the rules of engagement were so it wasn't enough when they killed their own people.
It wasn't enough whenever they killed people on camera. At this point, if you are living on the internet and you have watched videos of the IDF that's engaged in combat, you have known that this is what the rules of engagement were. Nobody was fired or held.
To video for that they put out.
That's what I mean.
In many instances, by the way.
It was only when a member of DC Royalty was personally affected by this, as everybody decided to like pearl clutch around them.
I'm not erasing the lives of these aid workers.
It's just such a self interested portrait that I actually want people at home to take in. Jose Andrace is royalty in this town. He owns a bunch of restaurants. You know, his world's central kitchen stuff is always that's like secondary. He is a social pillar of Washington, has been for me at least fifteen twenty years. All of the news anchors that were about to show you who are now quote turning on Israel, they're all friends with him. They have all dined in his restaurants. That's the only
reason that they are changing their tunes. So do not be mistaken that this has been some major change of consciousness as usual in DC. It's only whenever people are personally affected by something.
I guess that's human nature.
That is the only thing they can genuinely compel anything to change, which in my opinion, is frankly outrageous. If you're going to look at a situation on its merits or.
Not, it's certainly the nature of these people. I don't think you could say it's human nature when you see, you know, the overwhelming bulk of public opinion, when you see the protesters in the street, most of whom don't have a personal stake in this conflict, don't know people who are dying and being starved to death in real time. They were able to see the humanity of Palestinians and the horror of the situation before someone who they personally
knew was impacted. But such is the narcissism and the bubble and the casual dehumanization that you know, the elites in Washington swimen that it wasn't even This is important too, to underscore your point, Soccer, It's not like these are the first even aid work Western aid workers who have been killed. True, there's some two hundred plus aid workers who have been killed in this conflict. We've had, you know, doctors who are We've had professors who are killed.
We've seen the utter destruction.
I mean, this has been in front of our eyes since the beginning, truly, as you said, since they announced a complete siege. How can you sustain the concept that, oh, this is a targeted hunt for Hamas when by definition, complete siege means you are holding the entire population hostage. So it wasn't when they were targeted attacks on journalists. It wasn't even you know that there was an American citizen here. It was that a personal friend of theirs was impacted.
That's what it took.
But it has apparently created a dramatic change in the way that some liberals are now viewing this conflict.
You can almost see it too in the news. Rich like the we have covered.
So much the anesthetic, like sanitized language that's used when it comes to Palestinians being killed versus Israeli's being killed. You can even see in real time some of that language shift in terms of the news coverage. But put this next piece up on the screen. I never expected to see this headline. Nancy Pelosi, who just basically minutes ago was smearing any sort of ceasefire protesters as being paid by Russia or being paid by China, et cetera.
She has now joined onto a letter calling to halt US weapons transfers to Israel. Now there are some caveats with regards to this letter. The language is a little squishy, right, let me read you a little bit. It says, in part, in light of the recent strike against aid workers and the ever worsening humanitarian crisis, we believe it is unjustifiable
to approve these weapons transfers. That letter, they go on to write in Axios, which was released after the IDF anounced initial findings of its investigation to the attack, includes a call for an independent probe if this strike, they write, is found to a violated US or international law, we urge you to continue with holding these transfers until those responsible are held accountable. So, again, the letter doesn't go so far as to say just cut off the weapons transfers.
And that's that they're saying. We want an independent investigation. We say we want accountability. If you do those things, then you can continue transferring the weapons. But the fact that Nancy Pelosi signed onto this at all with any sort of language in the direction of potentially possibly conditioning arms transfers is pretty extraordinary.
Maybe it's because just on January thirty first, twenty twenty four, so three months ago, Nancy Pelosi nominated Jose Andres for the Nobel Peace Prize, and Nancy Pelosi has often a lot of the work of Jose Andres, of whom which he has appeared before with several times. It's just it's all a club, like it's all just a social club. If anybody in the social club is effective and something
is changed, otherwise it doesn't it doesn't even matter. This is actually a key inside too into why ukraine Mania has taken over Washington, Because there's freaking Ukrainians all over this town, and because for some reason, Ukrainians are the only human beings on planet Earth that are supposed to be like whatever. If they're being invaded, then it's a threat on democracy. Russia is the great enemy. Russia Gate
also played a good role. But you know, to pay very close attention as to who is granted personhood status and who is not.
That's right, that's right, And listen, I'm glad that they're shifting their view, but it is I saw someone say on Twitter like it is just two on the nose that what it took is for their like wealthy liberal friend to be directly impacted before they could see what has been obvious to the overwhelming majority of the world since the or very early days of this conflict. You reference this before, but just to give you a sense of how the tone and approach to Israel has changed,
just like this, like flipped on a dime. We've got a little compilation here for you, just to set it up. We've got Morning Joe, really, you know, taken a task an Israeli econ Minster. Now, his choice of line of questioning is interesting. We can talk about it after the fact, but the aggressiveness of the tone is kind of what's noteworthy.
Here.
You have Jen Saki, Biden's former press secretary, actually talking about possibly conditioning AID and criticizing directly the Biden administration approach. I haven't personally heard her criticize the Biden administration on anything since she left that post, so that was very noteworthy. And then you have former CIA director Leon Panetta making some extraordinary claims about the way that the Israeli Army operates. In general, you definitely want to hear that. Take a listen to all of those.
You're feeding that wolf, and you're telling that wolf to feed the Nazis and Daza. So explain to me, because I really want to know. Why was Benjamin Netanyahu and his government funding they.
Were allies with.
Cutter and the funding of Hamas?
Why.
I think it's a mistake, and it was uncovered October seventh. October seventh demonstrated that if you think you could buy quiet peace by funding Hamas, it's a huge mistake and.
It's weird to me.
Why did Benjamin metan Yahoo knowing that their charter said that they were to kill Jews and eradicate Israel. Why would any leader of Israel work to fund that organization to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Look, clearly, the strategy that the United States is implementing at this point is not working to change the behavior of Prime Minister net Yahoo is not working to.
End the war.
So obviously something has to change, and I think it's pretty clear they're discussing that, I think in the White House, and I hope in the White House, in this situation room at this point in time, the question is what that will be.
You have to be able to verify it, to take time to make sure that the information that you're getting is accurate with regards to targets. And I have to tell you that in the past, at least in my experience, the Israelis usually fire and then ask questions.
The Israelis usually fire and then ask questions, What did you make of those various comments?
The last one in particular, I was just telling you what was playing. Leon Panetta was a man who had the greenlit a huge portion of the Obama drone program. I mean, and if we were to take at the worst the civilian casualties under the Obama drone program with some ninety something percent at best, it was like maybe forty five to fifty percent. Don't exactly want to hear it from mister Panetta who did some of that behavior, But I mean, I guess it's one of those where
you could take it from his word. At the very least, you could say this BLO Bob is shifting against them.
Panetta.
I should remind people former Secretary of Defense, former CIA director at one point advocated for literal war with Russia. We can roll the tape if anybody wants to go and check it.
So for somebody like.
Him to change his tune, I would say, it's certainly noteworthy. The Morning Joe piece is just like, what are we doing here?
Dude?
We were talking about this on October eighth. No, actually, I think our first show was October ninth. Okay, so October ninth. That was the very first time that you heard it here.
On the show. It was a legitimate point of view and conversation about how we got here and want some of the backup about.
Babe bolstered Hummas, like to create a divide between the West Bank and Gaza, built them up and funded them and even made explicit comments about how if you want to block a two state solution, you need to bolster Humas.
But yeah, that that is the conversation.
Now, so why is that the conversation? Yeah, what are exactly are we doing here?
Okay?
I just want to return to this.
One of their friends was personally affected by the situation, So now everybody's got it's like Jensaki, I can't.
It would be difficult to.
Count the number of times she's probably personally eaten at Jose Andres establishment.
And when you're in the White House. He's there all the time. He was there. You know, this is like a by Parson thing. Don't get me wrong.
When Trump he was a celebrity here in Washington too, So for them, Israel's only real crime was hitting a staff member of somebody who is basically royalty here in Washington. But that was enough for people in the media to change. So I don't know, you keep saying over and over again.
Just to comments on some of the specific comments. Part of what I thought was really noteworthy about Panetta's comments is they weren't confined specifically to this onslaught in Gaza. He said, the Israelis usually fire and then ask questions,
So it is extraordinary. It's quite noteworthy for a member and good standing of the BLOB to cast dispersions over Israeli military conduct across not just this war, but many previous conflicts and mowings of the grass previously, and would have been unthinking up till basically this moment and would have probably you know, gotten you tagged as an anti Semite or whatever. And the line previously was always all this is the most moral alarmy on the planet, et cetera.
So that was no worthy to me. The Saki thing speaks for itself. The fact that she even feels compelled to critique the administration.
It's a little bit of.
You know, kid gloves or whatever, but that she says anything against them is noteworthy in the morning, Joe one, because the line of questioning is so strange at this moment, It's so not the point of what people are really concerned about right now, when you have somewhere around forty thousand Palestinians who have been killed, you have the entire Gaza strip completely decimated and in rubble. You know, you
have obviously the killing of these aid workers. You have this situation that could spiral out of control with regard to this, you know, attack on the Iran Consular building and you're going back to almost attack Bbe from the right of You were supporting Hamas and you were bolstering Hamas,
and you were too supportive of Hamas. My read into it is that Joe Scarborough is smart enough to know that the moment has changed, that he can't have this Israeli government person on and just play patty cakes with him the way that he would have, you know a week ago before this strike. But he doesn't actually really
want to criticize what's happening in Gaza right now. So this was the line of question that he felt like was safe for all of his various constituent audiences, but could sort of like bluster to the Mourning Joe audience and you know, the liberals who watch MSNBC that he was being tough on Israel but not in a way that actually matters right now. For what it's worth, That's
what I read into the Morning Joe exchange. There the last one we wanted to show you, which this is very striking Senator Tim Kaine, who is you know, the most kind of mainline, run of the mill Democrats.
With a few exceptions.
He's kind of good on like on like the surveillance, mass surveillance, and then he has a few things where he but typically just like the most run of the mill, mainstream Democrat. He made a suggestion that are troops that are being sent to build this peer which are coming from Virginia, so he has you know, direct stake as their representative in the Senate that not only could they be in danger from Hamas and other militants, they could be in danger from the IDF themselves.
Let's take a listen to that.
Even this US military operation. These are some troops that are deployed out of Virginia. Fort Eustas in Virginia in charge of this marine peer operation. We knew when we announced that they might be in harms way from Hamas. But you know, after the events of this week, anybody doing humanitarian aid is going to wonder if they're in harms way from the IDF.
So suggesting that US troops could be in harms way from the IDF, what did you make of that, Zager?
Yeah, I mean, obviously I think it's very important. And what I think is we get what people look. This has opened up a conversation. We are allowed to talk now about conduct as will affect foreigners who are in Gaza. This is basically how the expansion of the Overton window
gets save the overturn window for the Canvaswin's discussion. The point is is that as this is changing and things are going to a point where they're trying to send the signal basically, they're trying to salvage their ability to be pro Israel in the future by putting down some
of these noteworthy comments. And here with immense pressure I think, to try and back up Biden, and generally the other Western countries, including the European Union, which we often don't talk about, but they're very, very different on this issue than even here, Even the pro Israel nations are much more willing to criticize to pressure to try and recognize
Palestinian statehood. I think things are very obviously going in a certain direction, and they are kind of leading from behind in the old Obama speak, But I.
Mean, I think it is true.
I think it's what's really crazy to me to watch here with Biden is the vacillation his being his hand quote unquote being forced only when a member of Washington Royalty is personally affected, never at actually leading with principle or with guidance, or it's just the absence of leadership in this with both with his own personal ideology, stubbornness, and really the see team of people he has with him is just so self evident in the entire handling of this discussion.
Yeah, and I don't want to make too much of this shift, because I think it's entirely possible that Israel does just enough of, you know, letting a little more aid trucks in opening another crossing doing enough to placate the Biden administration and to go back to those original Biden comments that we played you to me. That's what his comments are indicative of. He says, Oh, I asked them to do what they're doing, indicating Oh, he's satisfied with the response.
It's enough for him.
And I think it is very possible, if not likely, that we still don't really see a change in US policy, that the Biden administration goes back to basically lockstep support and points to these few little, you know, additional crumbs that were thrown out here from Israel as some big win, big humanitarian win, and we go back to business as usual.
I think that's probably the most likely outcome here. So again, I don't want to make too much of it, but you know, between not just this strike on jose Andres humanitarian aid workers, but also the political writing is just
so clear on the wall. Now there's another piece in I believe Politico about how it's sunk in to some of the president's campaign team that the image that voters previously had of him as this like, eh, I may not agree with everything, but he seems like a nice guy dead and gone, done, done, and they can see the battleground pulling. They can see the problem they have in Michigan, they can see the problem they have with young voters. More on that in a later block as well.
And so between those two things they feel the need to aggressively tone shift and at least extract something they can point to from the Israelis to say, see, we care and we made them change.
We did that, we.
Force their hand and that's how you know, that's the way that we conduct themselves and not ourselves. And that's why we're way better than Trump too, by the way, on this issue. But am I incredibly hopeful that we're going to see it entire like sea change in terms of US policy?
Not particularly Yeah, I think you're right.
Let's go ahead and get to the potential fallout from that Israeli strike on a consular building of Iran in Syria, because you know, it's easy to lose sight of this because so much of the conversation has been about those World Central Kitchen Aid workers. But at the very same time you had that strike, which was a violation of Vienna conventions, quite an extraordinary provocation on the Israeli part. And now the question is how is run going to respond.
All of the actors involved seem quite convinced that there is almost as a necessity, going to be some sort of Iranian reaction. So what is that going to look like. Let's put this up on the screen from CNN. Their headline is US preparing for significant Iran attack on US or Israeli assets in the region as soon as the
headline says next week, that would be this week. They write here, the US is on high alert, actively preparing for a significant attack that could come as soon as within the next week by Iran targeting Israeli or American assets in the region in response to Monday's Israeli strike and Damascus that kill top Iranian commanders. A senior Administration official TELCNN. US officials believe that attack is inevitable. That
view is reportedly shared by their Israeli counterparts. Two governments are furiously working to get in position ahead of what is to come, as they anticipate that Iran's attack could unfold in a number of different ways, and that both US and Israeli assets and personnel are at risk of being targeted. A senior Administration official described the US warning
to Iran as quote, don't think about coming after. US State Department spokesperson did not provide further information about how the US message was conveyed to Iran.
But you will recall, Sagar that.
Immediately after this strike, the Iranians made it clear, no uncertain terms, that not only blamed Israel, they also blamed US. Now, we deny that we knew anything about it, which is, you know, there's no real good scenario here. If we did know about it or we didn't know about it.
Both of those things are a problem. But it's you know, first of all, the question of what happens is important, and second of all the realization that Israeli actions and our unconditional support of Israel have put our service members now in grave danger.
Yeah.
I mean, what is also actually shocking to me has not been the change not It wasn't the actions itself, although I mean obviously a violation of the Vienna Convention. It was how quickly the Vienna Convention has begun to fall apart. And as they're watching this with great interest, let's put this up there on the screen. This actually, by the way, is something that's happening in our hemisphere
and might affect US. Mexico has completely severed diplomatic ties with Ecuador, where days after the Iranian strike, Ecuador actually put actually words, police stormed in to the Ecuadorian or into the Mexican embassy to arrest their former vice president. This is an extraordinary breach of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. And I mean, for example, the head of the Mexican consular said in Quito, this is not possible, it cannot be. This is crazy. I am very worried
they could kill him. There is no basis to do this. This is totally outside of the norm. I mean, for all time, people have dissidents and others. I don't even know much about the particular governments here involved, and I don't care because the reason why this is dangerous, this is all happening at the same time, is that collapse of consular relations is exactly especially amongst sovereign nations. We're not talking here about protest groups or something like that.
Storming an embassy and holding people hostage is really a total breakdown in international norms and violations, which, after they become normalized over and over again, could lead to extraordinary things. For example, there were often CIA plans to assassinate Julian Assange inside of the Ecuadorian MS in London. Even the British, the US and the CIA was like, no, we can't do it. They were just even there, no matter what, not possible. Even in the height of the Cold War,
the United States never breached the Soviet embassy here in Washington. Now, we definitely dug tunnels around said embassy and did some interesting things, and they did the same to us, but even they would never dare to enter our embassy. So to watch the breakdown of this happen in real time, this actually is what struck some real fear into me because this is the problem. And this has also been with the way that the US has operated. You know,
our military operates very differently. But then we have our freaking John Kirby, spokesman for the White House, is like, oh, Israel's most moral army in the world. Like they've even done things that we would never do. Like that's not true, that's actually not true at all.
I know a lot of people who got their limbs blown off, you know, going door to door when it would have been a lot easier to just drop a bomb the way that the Israelis did.
We never even considered it for a second US commanders at that level. So watching this all become normalized has actually been highly dangerous, I think to the international system, there.
Is no doubt about it.
And again, now our consular facilities, now our embassies abroad are also at risk because there's no putting this toothpaste back.
In the tube.
We didn't say boo about this Israeli strike in Damascus on Iran's consular building. We didn't say anything. We didn't object to it, we didn't criticize it, we didn't say anything about it. So how are we going to then critique another country if they do the same thing.
This is now on the table, period.
End of story, and doctor Tree to Parsi making a point about how it's not just with regard to this violation, this flagrant violation of the Vienna Convention. Let's go and put his tweet up on the screen. Here he says, international norms being destroyed in front of our eyes. Israel ignores you and Security Council resolutions and ICJ rulings. The US after voting for that one resolution, then immediately oh, it's not binding. Well, that is just not true. We're
just making stuff up. Israel bombs the Iranian consulate and violation of Vienna Convention. Ecuador then attacks the Mexican embassy, violating also the Vienna Convention. And you know, we've already seen the way this is unfolded. Tzager previously, remember all the moral language that the US would use about Russia's actions in Ukraine.
They really kind of had to drop.
That because what Russia has done in Ukraine it's horrifying. It was a violation of international law. I opposed it from the beginning. I still oppose it today. It looks tame compared to what Israel has done in the Gaza strip.
When you look at the numbers, when you look at the destruction, when you look at the amount of civilian buildings, targeting universities, just absolutely destroying the healthcare system, Alshifa Hospital, desecrating cemeteries, schools, high rise apartment buildings, etc. There's no going back from that. Those things are now on the table, not just in Gaza, but everywhere around the world.
Yeah, I mean in April of twenty twenty two, Biden MCCUs putin of committing quote Jenis in Ukraine, Like it's like, really, now, how could you possibly this is?
And by the way, this is why I oppose.
A lot of moralistic language and we're going to get a guest here is because then you get caught into little traps like this. It's like, well, what is the difference between Russia and Israel's like whoa, oops, and you see exactly how now they have to drop it and now we have no strategic rationale for we got to support Ukraine. We got to make sure that we're on
the front line of democracy. And now just watch. I don't from what I understand, I haven't even seen yet a response to the US or whatever the hell is going on here with Mexico and with Ecuador. And you may, you may pretend you know that it doesn't matter, but Mexico and Ecuador the hell of a lot closer than Gaza and Moscow or Kiev. These are places which really could affect us, breakdown relations between the two of them.
Vital US trading partner, one of the largest trading partners in the world, and we just ignore it, you know, completely, a flagrant attack and violation here in the Western hemisphere.
So was it greenlit by America.
That's another even more interesting, you know discussion, because if it was, then we've basically had quasi you.
Know, green lights of a breach.
Of these things happen in a one week period, which would have been extraordinary if they'd happened in the last fifty years, even a couple of times. Really very underrated discussion unfortunately. And I think that the Iranian the strike on the Iranian embassy already we're seeing the result.
Yeah, it is amazing, how quick, because I mean, I'm sure Ecuadorians aren't stupid, they knew. We can't say anything about it right now because we.
Just want Israel. So what are we going to say?
Wow, it's been great, but anyway, moving on, we can't say anything about it because of what we have allowed Israel to do.
And this is what Israel.
They do a little trial balloon, they test something out. Hey can I get away with you know, attacking the hospital?
Oh we can.
Okay, we're going to destroy the entire health system. And we know you're not going to say anything about it. We know there's not going to be any accountability. We're going to drop two thousand pound bunk or buster bombs. On a refugee can killing hundreds of people to maybe possibly get one Hamas Bady, You're going.
To say anything about it, You're gonna do anything?
No?
Okay, Well, this is going to be our modus operande for the rest of the war. Oh can we get away with massacring civilians who are just trying to grab a bag of flour so that they and their family don't starve?
Can we get away with?
Oh?
Yeah we can. Okay, what else can we get away with?
And keep in mind again to go back to the original point made here. Now this has put our service members in grave danger because Ron.
Is not stupid.
They look at our very close relationship with Israel, They look at how dependent the Israelis are ultimately on the US supply of weapons, and they don't see this as an attack just from Israel. They see this as an attack from the US. And think about all of the radicalization and all of the anti US hatred that is being stoked around the world that could have massive blowback consequences for our country and our service members for decades
to come. That is what our policy in the Middle East has wrought.
For our country.
There has been a major fracture in the conservative media ecosystem over the departure of Candace Owens from The Daily Wire. Now we're not just covering YouTube drama for the sake of it. This has genuinely become a major ideological fissure. We've seen major figures in conservative media and conservative activist
debate what this means, what should be allowed. We've played for everybody previously the comments by Ben Shapiro where he justified the departure of Candace Owens, saying that the Daily Wire itself is a publisher, that it is not a platform and thus has no obligation to employ somebody who doesn't agree with them. Very discontinent in the past, with some of Ben's comments on Cancel culture and on social
media for example. This has definitely been taken notice by some new entrants to the sphere, Patrick bet David in particular, and comedian Andrew Schultz as well.
Here's what they had to say.
CBN is what what does CBN stand for?
Christian BRANCHA.
It's not a RBN religious broadcasting note fork, It's what Christian broadcasting net worth. Daily Wire can be Daily DJW Daily Jewish Wire or d i W Daily Israel Wire. No problem. If that's your value, stick to that. We all love in America. It should be America first, not Iran first, not Armenia first, not Israel first. It should be America first. If you think it's Israel first, go to Israel.
I agree. I agree with every word the man just said.
You know, he actually, frankly, is probably more powerful than me because he's not even from here. He said, as he said, he's like, he's what I think, Armenian Christian from Iran. He's like, if you're Israel first, or if you're Armenian first, or any of that.
He's like, that's fine. He's like, but put it there in the title.
And I think what he's got I wouldn't have said daily Jewish Wire personally Daily Israel Wire.
I mean, you listen based upon the comments that they have made.
You had the CEO Jeremy Boring, who did Twitter space whatever it's called x space is now at this point he said, I would never hire somebody who said that there was a genocide happening in Gaza. And it's like, well, why you know, I mean, look, even if you disagree, why is that what is your I cannot imagine personally having any redline about any country.
I'll give you a perfect example. My family is Indian.
Ryan is very critical of the Modi government and has done multiple segments about censorship, including by the Way, which people in India got very upset at me about. You know what I said, stick to your own business in my country. This guy gets to do whatever he wants. Those are my editorial principles. Whether I agree or not, I don't care. I don't live there. I'm not an
Indian citizen. Ben though, for example, and actually the entire leadership of the Daily Wire somehow think that it is okay to enforce foreign shibolits on our soil as it relates to an American media company. And I think it's entirely legitimate to level the criticism that Patrick and others have now put into the sphere.
To go ahead, before I play Andrew.
I just wanted to reiterate we're going to talk more about Rogan and his comments. But I thought a very important point that he made when he initially said, hey, I think this is a genocide, which is, you know, talking about Israel's conduct in Gaza. It's a little bit different than whatever your like philosophical view is on abortion, or your philosophical view is on gay rights, any sort
of like you know, culture war issue you're talking about. Basically, what Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro are saying is you are not allowed to acknowledge reality. You're not allowed to talk honestly about the atrocities that are unfolding in front of us, that idea soldiers themselves are posting on TikTok. If you talk honestly about those things, you don't have
a place at this network. And so I think that's part of why this actually ends up being important, because you know, the whole like facts versus feelings, Ben Shapiro, the facts are pretty undisputable about you.
Listen there.
You may not want to say the word genocide, but war crimes, ethnic cleansing. I mean, they have whole conferences there celebrating the idea of, hey, we're going to resettle Gaza, We're going to push everybody out. These things are undeniable. So is the facts or is it feelings? I think we on this one issue we have a very.
Clear answer here.
Yeah.
Absolutely, look like you just said about you. Look again, I don't use more language. I think these are all loaded terms. My point though, is that when it comes to how about this critical behavior that has been at the very least has backfired against his or can we talk about that.
I haven't even heard to say that.
Every time I check this man's feet, it's all retweeting the justification, including Israel PM's like military justification of what's happening on the ground. I mean, why you're going to trust what they have to say? And this is coming from a person I'm a patriotic American. I love this country. I don't trust the US military. Right when the US military is like, hey, here's what we did to this hospital in Kundu's I'm like, well maybe, And you know
who I ask. I ask people who are actually in the military, not that people were the spokesperson, and they're like, oh yeah, they're lying. The brass is full of shit, and they're you know, trying to, you know, paint you a different picture. Why can why do I have the wherewithal to do that in a country that I love. I'm not even a country that I'm not even from or don't live in.
Very interesting, isn't it.
Comedian Andrew Schultz also I thought he put it really well in his discussion around centrist. One thing I love about comedians is that they're observational by nature and that whenever they see something, they don't come into it with the same preconceived like rhetoric and all that you're supposed to, and they can just kind of say it as it is.
Here's what he had to say. He makes the argument for censorship.
He calls it something else.
Yeah, I forget the term I have in my phone, but I don't even think he's using the term right.
But he's basically like, there's a window of ideas we accept, yes, and we accept ideas between this this. I guess this is if I get window, you're looking like this, So we accept ideas between here and here, and anything outside of that window, well, you're fireable.
That's censorships.
But he's acting as if this is like a justified reason for firing people when you built your identity and platform off of no censorship and freedom of speech facts, don't care about your feelings and all this shit.
It's also funny that that window happens to end where his beliefs enday not being pro Israel, that's where the window ends.
That's also your specific personal belief I just don't.
Can't have an opinion on your platform that is not pro a country that is not ours.
Yeah wait a minute, crazy, So is the Daily Wire.
An American media platform or is it an Israeli media platform.
I'm just asking. This guy's cooking.
He's just asking, and he's asking the right question. I think that again, is that And this is also why I think it's hilarious is that Israeli military defenders and israel firsters in the US have actually created their own worst nightmare where their behavior is now so obvious and is so so just so blatant in terms of flipping on a dime as regards to ansorship, cancel culture, free speech, student protests where oh, we're supposed to be upset because
kids are crying on campus, that it is now clear what their real and first objective is. They care more about Israel than they do even about concepts and principles that we hold dear here in this country. And that's why I think it's very important that this fight has broken out. I will not lie and say that I don't think that they are very much still remain in power, especially whenever it comes to the elected you know, representatives.
But as all things, you know, the online discussion is a precursor to possibly change fifteen twenty years down the line. And that is where I at least see things going right now, because this decision in particular has opened up a lot of people's eyes.
Yeah, well they turned on a dime, you know.
I mean it was very like, I'm a free speech absolutist in this period.
End of story.
And you can if you're the New York Times, you know, you can't say the Tom Cotton op ed is out of bounds. You can't fire that editor, the greenlitos because that's cancel culture. There was no discussion of an overtin window when it came to that, or you know, even more recently, when it came to Ronald McDaniel's firing it over at NBC News, that overton window was apparently not acceptable.
I mean, frankly, yeah, the sort of language Ben is using now sounds like a lot of what liberals were saying when they were justifying censorship, saying no, at this outlet, these are the values that's perfectly acceptable. People should lose their jobs for having views, having viewpoints, expressing opinions, that are outside of what we consider to be acceptable discourse. That was the liberal justification, and now it's just very
clear that you share that view. It just happens that, you know, you're fine with the views that they had problems with, You're fine with those on your platform. But there are other views, including most specifically on the issue of Israel, that are out of bads And I don't know that that's the only way to mentioned abortion as well.
That probably is another one that would be out of bounds for him if you had someone there who was saying, no, I think women should have the right to choose, you know, all the way through the third trimester that air and we also would be out of bounds and grounds for firing on Ben Shapiro's network as well. So you know,
just own up to it. Your views are different than what you said that they were, and you built an entire media platform and a lot of wealth on, you know, espousing that you were this free speech, anti cancel culture guy, and you're not.
That's the bottom line here to me.
That's actually probably what bugs me more than anything is because it would be I'm trying to think of an example. Yeah, it would be like if we started reading pharmaceutical ads, you know here on the show.
Like that would be insane.
We have raised money from well meaning, hard earned people's money to fund our program and then we're like, oh, yeah, we're just going to start reading like pvisor ads or something here on the show. People rightfully would be outraged, and they should be, because then why did we present years and years and years of building up a brand
and trying to maintain integrity. I mean, and just so people know, we have turned down massive offers for such types of things here on the show, regardless of how much money it is, simply because we know it would be a betrayal. But you know, if the real value is about something else, as we all start to learn here in this very revealing episode, I think it does tell us quite a bit. Let's put up this as well, because there has been now a gauntlet throne by Candace.
So Candace Owen's challenging Ben Shapiro to a debate. There has been a lot of back and forth, and I won't get into all the details, but she says, barring the insinuation that there basically it was all this beef about whether she was traveling to London or not. Candace says that she does not want to participate in a debate with Ben Shapiro on the Daily Wire platform and that she wants it to be in person. She then says that I fully accept there will be no moderator.
I will get in touch privately to get all of this set up. There has been a major win. But one of the problems, Crystal, if we look at some of the back and forth traffic, and then I think Candace is entirely correct about is she was like, Okay, let's debate, and Ben Shapiro was like, fine, come to my studio and debate me on my own show. And she said, well, why don't we pick Lex Friedman or Joe Rogan or any of those places? And Jeremy Boring
was like, no, accept that. Going after Patrick Tiff David Ben just participated in a debate on Lex Women's podcast were freaking destiny, you know, so why can't you do it with Candace Owans. It's one of those where there it's so weasily honestly, this idea that the moderator would put his foot on this, you know, would put his foot on the gas and some sort of direction. It's just one of those where, look, I hope that it actually does happen. I genuinely do, even though both sides
have now allegedly agreed. We'll see if the Daily Wire at this point does try to get out of it. But you know the lengths and the lengths that they have gone to protect and to justify this decision over there as a business, I don't think we can ever say that this is a quote unquote free speech organization ever.
Again, Yeah, at the very.
Least, let me also say I genuinely think that some of Candace's comments. I mean, she's still on there defending Kanye West, who literally said I love Hitler.
Okay, I do think.
That some of her comments are incredibly can be classified as anti semitic. But she was making those comments before where you hired her here, and so that's the thing to me, is like, it's very clear that actually wasn't the line that was fine. It was when you were very theciperously critical of the Israeli government. And even he brings up who's the other commentator who has more of a like Listen, I just think we shouldn't be involved
in anything. He's like that view was fine when it comes to israel I think it's but because he is, you know, very clear that he thinks Israel is a moral actor, that's also fine, that's acceptable. But if you're actually directly critical of the Israeli government in a way that you know, Ben finds it acceptable be critical of the American government, but you can't be critical in that way of the Israeli government. That's where the line was. It wasn't the you know, weird Hitler comments, It wasn't
backing up Kanye West. It was when you were directly critical of the Israeli government.
That was the line too far.
And so I think it's really important because people may look at some of our comments and you know what those around the bounds, and I see why they don't want that at that network. But that was not actually where the line was drawn. So keep that in mind.
Yeah, and look, let's also talk in terms of like popular opinion, and it's perfectly acceptable at the Daily Wire to be against IVF.
That's like a three percent position here in the United States. Okay, so that but that's fine, But you know, it's not fine to be like, yeah, again, that's actually in a country, our country that affects US our policy.
And I think that should be allowed. I am actually free speech absolutists. I'll pretty much hear anybody out, even if they're saying some absolutely crazy shit. But for them, for some reason, it's like that's within the bounds of the quote unquote Overton window, even though it's really not if you consider you know, US discourse, and here we're having a debate about a foreign country, and apparently that is completely out of bounds.
So let's just hammer that home.
It's fine you want to have an Overton where you are allowed to have whoever you want to have on your plant.
That's fine.
But I don't want to hear your criticism of other news outlets and other publishers quote unquote Overton window and the way they draw the lines, if they have to be a little different fro where you draw the lines. I don't want to hear that criticism anymore, because you do not have grounds to stand on avice point.
I could not agree with that more. There was also really interesting. There's some other actors that have been entering the debate. Christopher Rufo, the CRT kind of campaigner who entered the fray with some analysis let's put this up on the screen. It's really worth reading. We have the full statement here, but basically it comes down to this. He says, it is not a violation of freedom of speech to let a multimillion dollar contract expire, which is
reportedly what happened. The Daily Wire is not obligated to subsize Candace owns, especially if she's deviating from the publication's editorial standard or causing problems. DW is not an open platform such as YouTube, Facebook x, and the owners of the publications are under no obligation, so that is definitely true.
They say.
Owen spent months taking public shots at Ben Shapiro and Jeremy boring a tacit request to get canned and then play the martyr, she said. Then, he continues, Owens is a gifted speaker who has been able to turn controversy into attention, a valuable capability, but she does not advance a serious politics. She is clearly traveling down and ugly but unfortunately well trodden path. She has rationalized. Okay, blah blah blah, all this about Candace. There is an audience
for such kind of material. Infot Wars does a robust business vitamins and emergency prep kits. But it's a political dead end. Why does it matter? Because the right faces an inflection point. There are serious people who are trying to advance a serious political movement with a vision for governing. I consider the Daily Wire to be among them. And then there are serious people who are willing to sell
ca fabe and conspiracy leading us nowhere. I care about politics because I believe we have subjective work to do for the country, and this requires putting together a coalition capable of taking responsibility. The choice is ours, so interesting analysis there now Here's the other issue that I have
with this. If you presume that the Daily Wire is a serious political organization and all of that, well, this is a political vision for an incredibly unpopular GOP, I would venture, I mean, I would say with Canvas at least, I'd much rather be with her in terms of where she's willing to go, especially with regards to Donald Trump and some more maga style politics actually as a shot at electability, than with people who are out there sparking
conversation why cutting social security, banning abortion, banning IVF, Which do you think is a more serious political movement and capable of moving things forward, but curious what you have to say.
That is a great point. Ye, you made the IVF point previously. The serious ones are the ones who are in favor of banning IVF, something that almost literally no one supports. Okay, but you know what, I would dissent from you in one regard. I actually think his analysis here of Candace Owens is basically correct. Those are all reasons to have not hired Candace Owens in the first place, but it has nothing to do with the reason she was actually fired.
So it's a little bit irrelevant, Like you might be happy.
She's gone for these other various reasons you don't think she's a quote unquote serious person, which okay, I mean I kind of agree with you there, but again, that isn't really relevant to what happened here and the specific reasons the specific context around why she was fired at this point in time. Yes, these would all have been good reasons for Ben Shapiro never to hire her, and you know, to have never indulged the supporting Kanye when
he was saying things that were really unsupportable. But all of those things were fine. So let's not pretend otherwise, like I said, Christopher Rufe, you may be glad she's gone for all those ritary that's fine, but that really is kind of irrelevant.
It's also a misunderstanding too, of what we're doing. The Daily Wire is not a political organization. It is an entertainment media company whose job is to make money. And that's why they hired Candice Owens in the first place. It's also why they have all these freaking cartoons and whatever their movies.
Isn't there coming with snow White? I think? Anyway? My point is that's not what serious political actors do.
Lady scholars, yeah, very serious, very serious film sager, lady ballers.
Well to check, and I have not yet seen a quote unquote conservative movie out there that is in any way like actually good.
You know, Griffin said, it wasn't that bad. Okay, all right, it wasn't that bad.
I don't know that.
I don't know that I call it serious.
My only point here would be exactly that you're right, and that it's actually a misunderstanding.
That's why they hired Candae in the first place because of the ratings. They want ratings, they want the controversy, they want people to watch, they want people to subscribe, and that's fine.
Just be honest though about what line of business you're in. So this is also a big misunderstanding, I think, both on the political level and also here in terms of what they're actually trying to achieve. Let's move on now to Joe Rogan. There was a really interesting conversation between Joe Rogan and Coleman Hughes on their podcast around Israel.
Coleman previously has been I would say, I think it's fair to say a defender of Israeli military actions, but even generally, he's a serious guy and he's willing to kind of hear things out and to debate. So him and Rogan kind of went at it around is really military conduct? Some revealing things here in the discussion. Let's take a listen, we'll react on the other side.
There was one point where you were kind of saying, it's almost as if the Jews are doing what was done to them, well as what it's genocide.
I'm saying that when you're killing thirty thousand innocent civilians in response to something that killed twelve hundred innocent civilians, and you're continuing to bomb an area into oblivion, which is what it looks like when you're looking at Gaza. There's many people that have made the argument that that is at least the steps of genocide or a form of genocide. You're destroying thousands and thousands of people's homes and killing them.
So when you say thirty thousand civilians, it's not thirty thousand civilians that have been killed.
Though, how many thousands have been killed?
So according to Gaza Health Ministry, which is it is run by Hamas, the number they have is thirty two thousand, but they don't distinguish between Hamas and civilians.
How many members of Hamas are there.
Forty thousand something like that. I don't think the number is known, but it's tens of thousands. So Hamas says thirty two thousand people have been killed, civilians and soldiers. Israel says thirteen thousand soldiers have been killed by Israel. You just being let's not doubt either number. They could
both be eated. But but if both of those numbers are accurate, which they may or may not be, that would be thirteen thousand soldiers killed nineteen thousand civilians killed, which for urban combat in the Middle East is a very normal ratio.
I could see see what you're saying if you wanted to look at it cold and objectively.
Yeah, but don't.
I still I hope it doesn't come across cold because but.
It's mostly women and children that are dying, that are that are dying because they're in a place where these terrorists are, right, I mean this is it's.
Not because the terrorists on purpose embed themselves with the civilian population, which is a war crime.
Which is a strategy that they have clearly employed when you see them and when when the IDEF went into that hospital and found the recently. Yes, yeah, so it's real. It's not just a conspiracy theory. We know that that's real. But it's still you're still talking about twenty thousand whatever it is of innocent people getting bombed into the Stone Age. That one aidation was that they were shooting people that were trying to get aid.
Yes, yes, and you don't think that's the case.
I think it's very unlikely.
Is it possible, Yeah, it's possible. Absolutely, there is.
The assumption is that there is going to be war crimes in this war, right because and I know Kurt would probably say, I'm doing the tragedy of war thing. But it's actually a legitimate point. In every single war, even the just ones, there are war crimes by berserk soldiers by the good guys. That doesn't mean it's genocide, and that doesn't mean it's not a just war.
Interesting, Carsonal, So there's a lot here.
So first of all, with regard to the targeting of women and children, we actually just learned quite a bit and I am going to lay all this out in my monologue, but there is an act of Israeli government official policy which says, Hey, first of all, we're not just going to target the high level Hamas commanders. We're going to target even just like random rank and file
Hamas members. Okay, fine, but we're going to specifically do that using a program a kid you not called Where's Daddy that allows us to target them when they are at home with their wives and children.
Furthermore, we are going to generate.
Our target list using AI and we're not actually going to check whether these are Hamas militants. The only thing we're going to check is whether or not they are male. This speaks to the comments from reporter Barack Revide about how basically the assumption from the Israeli government is that any fighting age male, including miners, by the way, is a Hamas militant. So when you see their numbers about how many Hamas members they've killed, they are not correct.
No serious body believes the Israeli narrative of how many Hammas fighters have killed. Okay, So what is the civilian ratio here? Because you know he's saying, okay, you can't trust the Gaza Health Ministry because they're affiliated with Hamas well. Previous research has shown that they're members are actually quite correct, but let's put that aside. UN report says that seventy
percent of those killed are women and children. Okay, so you don't have to take the Israeli government or the Gaza Health Ministry's.
Word for it.
Seventy percent of those killed are women and children. So that's on the death toll. Then you talk about the destruction of civilian infrastructure and the way Coleman portrays it, it's like, oh, well, you know, one hospital maybe because there was a command and control center, which again the Israelis never actually proved the allegation, the extraordinary allegations that they made about what was allegedly happening at Alshievla Hospital, But that was far from the only health care facility
that was targeted. Three hundred and one according to euromed monitor, health care facilities have been targeted, including twenty nine hospitals, sixty nine clinics, two hundred and three ambulances. So this was an all out destruction, intentional destruction of the healthcare system. You had universities that were destroyed through controlled demolition. They never even made an argument though, oh Amas is hiding here,
blah blah. No, they just decided to destroy the entirety of the university system in Gaza as well churches, mosques. Two hundred and sixty nine thousand homes have been at least partially destroyed. One hundred and twenty two thousand homes have been completely destroyed. The devastation is greater than dressed in. So to look at this and say, oh, it's this you know, targeted, strategic, very disciplined operation.
Yeah, maybe there may be an occasional war.
Crime or two, is just to really deny the actual reality of what's happening here and to frankly, dishonestly manipulate the facts that we know in order to try to support something that is increasingly difficult to.
Support our respect women.
I think what he is missing here is that it's about intent, and I understand, you know, he's his point about like I think war crimes are inevitable.
I actually agree.
I don't think it's possible for human civilizations to go into combat.
For me, it is about the intent of the highest.
Military authorities in the civilian leadership that are at hand. Is the intentional purpose that is then filtered down through the military and then through enforcement of rules to minimize that to as much as possible or is it not?
Now?
We have not seen that behavior from the very beginning from the Israeli military, from the Israeli government, and within frankly the Israeli You know, from the lowest level to the highest level, you have had zero enforcement of a actual reasonable rules of engagement. You've seen very little actual military strategy for accomplishing their alleged end.
You've seen collective punishment.
You have seen a basically a policy of indistinguishable likes rules of engagement employed against civilians versus militants.
That's where it all comes to.
I think a reasonable picture of what this is and why people who can be quote unquote pro the ability to go to war or even in a just war, can criticize best at policy in the age of precision guided munitions, in the age of counterinsurgency and more. It is one thing, you know, to talk about bombing civilian populations from b twenty nine's on Tokyo when there was a limited amount of military you know, military capacity, there was you know, very very difficult options that were to
be changed. It's another when we were talking about non peer to peer nations that are going to war with each other in the twenty first century with the capacity to militarily occupy if they wanted, with a capacity to distinguish civilians from militants if they wanted, and then explicitly to not make that choice. That is what my biggest criticism I would say of him was. And I also think, you know, not really engaging too either with some of the aid workers that Rogan brings up.
There at the end.
And that's why I think it is self evidently available and obvious to people who are observers of the conflict that even if you don't have a bias, and especially if you don't have a bias, just try to look at it. You know, one to one and you're like, okay, look,
we can be reasonable here. We can understand that some sort of response is justified, you know, and we can have compassion and feel the horror of October seventh and justify and understand the state of Israel and where they come from and all that, and still have very very reasonable criticisms of that state, which is part of the why I like to look at the actual Israeli society, where apparently they're allowed to have more dissent than we are.
I guess, at least to a point. That's what I would say.
I think a couple more points.
So just to me, when the government announces a complete siege and now we see children and babies literally starving to death from that point on, from the announcement of the complete siege, it becomes preposterous to say they're not targeting civilians. Like, to me, that's this game over. Obviously they are. They just announced it. They said these are human animals, they're gonna be treated as such. We're announcing a complete stage. How can you then argue, oh, they're
not targeting civilians. It's preposterous. Also, they dropped indiscriminately two thousand pound bunker buster bombs, which are on military said, way too much in an urban fighting environment on refugee camps to maybe possibly get one Hamas militant and you're killing hundreds of civilians. This is not this is not defensible. In no context is this defensible. And this wasn't a whoopsie. We've actually thought it was a whole Hamas.
Brigade there or whatever.
Know, they intentionally dropped two thousand pounds bunker buster bombs on refugee camps.
Lastly, Joe brings up.
I think he's referring to the Flower masacre that we covered extensively here where you had over one hundred Palestinians killed, where you had this you know, aid convoy coming in and people who were waiting for it. This is in northern Gaza, where the humanitarian situation is the most dire and the highest levels of actual starvation, and some are saying now actually has tipped into famine. That's where we're talking about. And remember the Israeli military their story was, oh, well,
they these Palestinians, they're just barbarians. They got out of control, they were stampeding each other and then the truck may have even run some of them over and we fired some warning shots. Said, but that's it, that's all we did, the Palestinian said, And by the way, this isn't the only massacre that has happened in the context of Palestinians seeking aid. They said, no, the Israelis fired on us using tanks and also using guns. And you know, the people who were killed overwhelmingly it was.
From gunshot wounds.
Okay, save two competing claims, how do you figure out which one is correct? Well, were most of the deaths caused from stampede, you know, crushing injuries, or were they from gunshot wounds? The doctors and independent observers on the ground said overwhelmingly it was from gunshot wounds to the head to the chest. This was not oh, we're firing warning shots their feet or whatever. So we do actually
know what happened there. It is knowable because we have two competing stories, and the facts in reality match up much more closely with what the Palestinian said happened. So and then again to just sort of wave that one away as, oh, well, you know, war crimes, they're going to happen.
Maybe that was a war crime. I don't know.
And then to ignore all of the other AID massacres, all of the other assaults and civilian infrastructure.
What's your war crumes?
To ignore the complete siege, to ignore everything else that's happened, and just dismiss that as a one off, is to deny the reality of what has actually been a top down, systematic assault that is wildly in contravention at every turn with international lawn and very and is quite consistent according to the ICJ, according to according to the UN Special Rapperteur on Human Rights in the Occupied Territory Tories, is at least plausible and in the words of Francescalbani's reasonable
grounds to say that this is an ongoing genocide. So that's what I would say in response to some of what was laid out there.
Anyway, I'm at least glad he's having people on there debating this.
It's good. It's good for people. All right, let's go move on to the next one. Trump Politics. We'll have some more politics in the show tomorrow. I promised, we're a mercy at the news here. But here's what we saw over the weekend. Let's put this up there on the screen. The Trump campaign says that it raised more
than fifty million dollars at a Saturday fundraiser. This was a huge announcement because it was one both where according to his campaign aid, he pressed again for Joe Biden to debate him, but it was to debut the bundling organization that they had created behind the scenes. They say, quote Trump is pushing to close the massive fundraising disadvantage
against Biden. Figures released by the two campaigns show that Biden ended March with one hundred and ninety two million dollars on hand, more than twice as much as Donald Trump. At Saturday's evening's event, we're asked to donate as much as eight hundred and fourteen thousand dollars, so he was able to make a dent with that one hundred and ninety two million gap, close twenty five percent of it
in just a single night. And they say that Trump is actually set to hold another high dollar fundraiser on Wednesday in Atlanta. During the private marks, they say Trump reirated his call for Biden to debate him after refusing to participate in the Republican primary debates. Biden, of course last month had said that you know, he said, well, of course he wants to debate me, and he won't
necessarily commit to it. Apparently, though he also made some actual comments when it comes to policy that we wanted to make sure we covered. Put it up there, please on the screen. They say, he told them that he
will keep their taxes low. At the fifty million dollar fundraiser, according to him, they say, Trump speaked and spoke to the need to win back the White House so that we can turn our country around, focus on key issues including unleashing energy productions, securing our southern border, reducing inflation, extending the Trump tax cuts, eliminating the Biden electric vehicle mandate, protecting Israel, and avoiding global war in a roughly forty five minute speech.
But attendees say that.
When the cameras were off, he certainly said that he would keep taxes low to some of the billionaires, So it would explain, you know, why so many of them are very willing to shell out. Frankly, I would say he has more institutional Republican support today than he has at any point in his entire career because post January sixth, I mean, yeah, Trump tax cuts and all that, they were still happy, but there was so much culture war nonsense going.
On at the time.
A lot of them wouldn't openly say it, but this really to me shows that he is not only in charge of the Republican Party obvious for quite a long time, but he's got a lot of the traditional business types too. Whoever is left in here, they're all in for Trump.
Yes, I think Wall Street has gotten very comfy with the idea of another Trump term, not only because yeah, he was good to them in terms of tax cuts, but also because Biden has been very His administration has been good and aggressive on anti trust in a way
that the business world absolutely hates. And just look at the Wall Street Journal and the like out and out jihad they have against Lena Kon however, many op eds that they've written, whatever, and so, because there's much more scrutiny of these big merger deals going through, that leads to a lot of Wall Street types who are getting they're big bonuses at the end of the year.
They hate that.
Of course, the CEOs and executive class and the owner class, they hate the fact that they're having to jump through these hoops and undergo scrutiny that they haven't faced in their entire lifetimes. With regards to these massive transactions in the way that they're screwing consumers and workers alike.
So they don't like those pieces.
And I think the original fears with Trump were like, oh, chaos and uncertainty and what's this going to mean for the business environment. But now that they've seen it once around and they have these antitrust and pro labor pieces from the Bidens station that they really hate, suddenly there, you know, Jamie Diamond and the like even are much
more comfy with a Trump second term. So to the two things that I found most noteworthy there in the list of issues that were important to him were extending the Trump tax cuts, which yes, means these you know, billionaires will keep their breaks, and also protecting Israel, making sure to mention that, and he's you know, he's said some comments that could kind of be interpreted however you
want to interpret them. But behind closed doors at this fundraiser, he's making it clear he's going to be lockstep support for Israel, as he was as well in his first term.
I would not count out, though, the impact of these dollars, given the way that national trends are going and when we compare them let's go put the next one please up on the screen, just to give an example. So if you look at the March fundraising numbers, where Biden was significantly outpacing Trump, the Biden campaign, though, is raising twenty six million dollars, for example, quote in a single night with their star studed event, and that included Obama and Bill Clinton.
This is double that one. Now, let's let's be real.
They might have lined things up to get the headline the Trump campaign did to make sure that it got
fifty million. I'm almost certainly let's watch and see what comes out of Atlanta, though, because if they're able to put up twenty some million dollars in the same way that the Biden campaign can, and note there ain't no protesters at Trump campaign events or Trump Trump Big Trump organization rallies, and that demonstrates that the unity of the coalition, a ton of money, and then the popularity that is
going in the tide of Trump. One thing, as we'll always trying and do here is present the other side. Let's put this up there on the screen. Some polls. Now, what we're beginning to see is that polls are suggesting a shift in the electorate in a way that is very counter to recent history. Joe Biden quote is struggling with young voters, but is performing better than most Democrats with older voters. Maybe they see a kinsman there in
the White House. But from what we see, the quote unquote age inversion is quote the warning sign of a structural problem in twenty twenty four election polling. One of the reasons that they are showing this is that if you break down things by crosstabs, Biden's strength amongst older voters may actually indicate and undercount because even if Trump does surge amongst young voters, Latinos and all those other people, that's great, but let's be real, they don't vote. And
I'm talking statistically younger voters. Minority voters too very very unlikely to actually vote in the same numbers as white boomers. The median voter in this country is a fifty five year old white man who is non college educated. If Biden is able to keep some strength with that person in the electorate, that will actually indicate that the polls
right now could actually be overstating Trump support. Just something that we had to throw out there because it is interesting, and I mean I guess it makes sense.
He's an older man.
He is the embodiment of silent gen and boomerism. Like in one he's been around forever. Boomers love the whole like we need a man with experience thing in the White House. He like checks all the boxes. So and then they love cable TV and Biden. Biden is mostly beloved by MSNBC and CNN. So if you put those things together, it does actually tract to me.
Yeah, I'm a little mystified, genuinely about the polls. I don't know what to make of any of them at this point. You know, are they under counting Biden? Are they undercounting Trump? I have no idea.
I'm just throwing my hands up and taking all of it with a grain of salt. I find it hard to.
Believe they cite a couple of poles here that has Trump actually a head of Biden among millennial and gen Z voters. I find that hard to believe Biden taking a hit among those voters.
And obviously younger.
Voters are more open to third party candidates.
Okay, but Trump actually beating Biden among those voters.
It just if you look at the ideological profile of them It really doesn't add up, you know, when you think about their positioning on any number of issues across the board. It's hard for me to see that actually playing out. But it's being found in multiple poles. But then that's the other thing is then you can find another pole that has it like the complete opposite direction. Biden continuing to have a twenty point lead ahead of
Trump with voters under the age of thirty five. So I'm just throwing out there, I don't know what the hell is going on with these poles.
I genuinely don't know. I find it very hard to believe Trump is actually winning with young voters. Is eating into the lead? Is o RFK Junior.
Posing a threat for Biden and causing him problems with these voters?
Cornell West Jill Stein.
Sure, but I'm skeptical that this massive like youth wave towards actually affirmatively towards Trump is actually happening.
It depends on the gender balance too.
If you told me he's me winning amongst young men, I would believe it actually at the very least of like fifty some percent if you include women in that. I do find it hard to believe. Ideologically, people are Let's be honest. People are all over the map and have very very divergent opinions whenever it comes to politics, so etan just looking at that and mapping it out onto the current candidates is not is not usually one to one.
I don't know.
I would say if it is true that Biden is doing better amongst older voters, that is a major sign of strength for him and one that we should pay very very close attention to. And that is one that I actually really do believe just given his politics, given the way that they like to see the country and the things that they value, they're probably a lot less likely than I mean, this is where the media question comes in. They live in a different universe than the
rest of us. They are literally not online unless it's their email or Facebook. That is not the same. But the way that we all consume media, and with that, you're going to see a lot less Biden fumbling, You're going to see a lot less emphasis on some of the things that we talk about.
And is going to be is not a problem for older voters.
Don't care.
They own their own houses, you know, And to the extent that they're in debt or whatever they're on social security, like they don't care.
That's true too. From the economy is their.
Economy is good.
Yeah, it's one of those where because of the parallel universe that they like, they're not feeling the same pressures that we are.
And then you add media on top of that, I could believe it. Why he is doing better with older folks. Very interesting, Chrystal, what are you taking a look at well.
Israelan's defenders swear that the IDF has followed the rules of war in their assault on Gaza, that they aren't at war with civilians but laser focused on hamas, that any civilian deaths are the fault of Hamas for operating within the civilian population or at the very worst, regrettable mistakes, such as in the case of the seven World Central Aid kitchen workers who were killed in that series of three drone strikes. The IDF, Israel's defenders say, is the most.
Moral army in the world.
A new shocking report from plus nine seven to two magazine definitively disproves every single one of these claims. Of course, anyone paying attention was fully disabused of these notions long ago. The ratio of civilian to militant debts alone is sufficient to prove that this war on humanity has been intentional, but plus nine seven to two once again has provided invaluable in sight into the exact mechanisms of the horror.
They reveal for the first time the details of how Israeli algorithmic targeting supercharged a slaughter and critically, how the very human decisions made in this assault and desire for total revenge have fueled annihilation and genocide. Now I urge you to read the entirety of Yvale Abraham's collaboration with Local Call for nine to seventy two magazine titled Lavender,
The AI Machine directing Israel's bombing spree in Gaza. I'm going to summarize the most significant findings, but I believe this will be one of the defining journalistic pieces of this entire onslaught. Every detail of this report really matters, so please, if you have the time, take a look. So here are some of the top line findings of that report. First of all, Israel has developed an AI targeting system called Lavender, which has been used to generate
some thirty seven thousand targets in Gaza. Second, those human targets generated by the algorithm were imprecise, with a known error rate of about ten percent.
In spite of this error rate.
Next to note, human checking was performed before targeting individuals on the lavender list for assassination idea, soldiers were to consider these faulty AI target lists of alleged militants to be orders. Miners were included on the list along with civil service officers. Third, the IDF authorized extraordinary levels of collateral damage, officially twenty civilians per junior hamas fighter and one hundred civilians for higher level commanders. In practice, though
collateral damage ratios could be even higher. The motive, according to the sources, was not to eliminate hamas it was pure and simple revenge. Fourth, contrary to claims about avoiding civilian casualties, Israel intentionally targeted civilians through use of a software program called ware Staty, which was used to target the private homes of militants when they were at home
with their families and surrounded by other civilians. Little was done to make sure the alleged militant was even actually killed and not just his family members. Now those are the top line findings, but it is well worth digging into the sum of the stomach turning details here. Gazza has become a testing ground for dystopian AI driven military tech, which is plunging all of us into a new era
of horrors and unchecked barbarism. Nine seven to two had previously reported on an AI system called the Gospel, which generates infrastructure targets with a focus on so called power targets. These are large centers of civilian lifelike high rise apartment buildings which were destroyed in order to demoralize and terrorize the civilian population. Drone equipped robot dogs are also increasingly wandering throughout the rubble in Gaza thanks to new developments
from the Pentagon and US military contractors. And we can now add to this list of killer tech Lavender, which generates tens of thousands of human targets and operating hand in glove with Lavender is Where's Daddy Software, which targets those placed on the Lavender kill list for assassination while they are at their homes with their families. Where's Dad get it for the IDF When Daddy's home, it means it's time to murder every man, woman, and child who
happens to be in the vicinity. Now, Lavender uses the data collected through mass surveillance of every Palestinian in Gaza to analyze the likelihood that they may be Hamas based on a list of identified attributes. Every Gazan is given a rating of one to one hundred as to how likely they are to be a militant. The algorithm is programmed with hundreds or thousands of attributes which are considered
to be suggestive of Hamas or other militant membership. Some attributes identified in the piece include being in the wrong WhatsApp group or changing addresses too often. Now, if you are clocked with too many incriminating features as identified by Lavender, then you'll be placed on a kill list and marked for IDF assassination with next to no human verification. According to a nine seven to two source quote, a human being had to verify the target for just a few seconds.
Be said, at first, we did checks to ensure that the machine didn't get confused. Point we relied on the automatic system, and we only checked that the target was a man.
That was enough.
Doesn't take a long time to tell if someone has a male or female voice. This assumption that all men are Hamas has been backed up in recent days by the stunning reporting of Axios reporter Barack Revied, now himself a former IDF soldier. Revee told Anderson Cooper that on the ground, soldiers were simply told to murder every man.
This incident shouldn't come as a surprise. You know, you remember that just a few weeks ago, three Israeli hostages that managed to escape their captors were killed by Israeli soldiers who fired at them even though they were holding
a white flag. Okay, and you know I spoke to an Israeli reserve officer who was in the same unit to those soldiers who shot those hostages, and remember him telling me that the orders are basically from the commanders on the ground is just shoot every man in fighting age. Those are the orders. But that's not the rules of engagement that is coming from the idea of leadership on the ground.
That's what they're being told.
The orders are shoot every man of fighting age. So obviously, if you're a man in Gaza, whether or not your name is bat out by lavender can quickly become a
matter of life and death. And yet the generation of these kill lists was arbitrary based on entirely human judgments about what rating level was sufficient to justify conclusion that you are very likely Hamas is a sixty five rating out of one hundred, and Lavender's ai determination of Hamas like attributes sufficient to mark you out specifically for death.
Does a seventy eight make you Hamas ninety two? The answer apparently differed at different times during the war Parade nine to seven to two source quote.
The numbers changed all the.
Time because it depends on where you set the bar of what a Hamas operative is. There were times when a Hamas operative was defined more broadly, and then the machine started bringing us all kinds of civil defense personnel, police officers on whom it would be a shame to waste moms. They help the Hamas government, but they don't really endanger soldiers. Now, of course, you have to appreciate the concern here for the rationing of bombs, not for the human beings that are being killed.
Let's put that aside.
So once you've got your Lavender created kill list, you've got to actually figure out how to get these guys. Finding Hamas in a battle space can be difficult and risky. But what's quick and easy is killing them at their known residences when they go back home to their wife
and kids. Now, I want you to imagine for a second that a foreign military or terrorist group was targeting our soldiers en mass when they were at home in their private residences, wantonly slaughtering mothers and children for the sake of taking out some anonymous army private This is the equivalent of what the IDF is doing in Gaza per nine seven two sources quote. We are not interested in killing hamas operatives only when they were in a
military building or engaged in military activity. On the contrary, the idea of bombed them in homes without hesitation as a first option. It's much easier to bab a family's home. The system is built to look for them in these situations. Now, contrast this to the Lafe language we hear about how the IDF does not target civilians, just hamas with those
darn human shields. Here we have confirmation that the IDF does in fact target civilians by choosing as their first resort to bomb private homes full of women and children. It didn't even particularly matter whether the alleged lavender killless militant was there at the time, because the IDF didn't verify that the target.
Was home when the bomb dropped.
In plenty of instances, the target had actually left and the IDEF just murdered the family for no apparent reason. Because of this where's Daddy strategy, entire families have been routinely annihilated. Every name on every branch of the family tree killed. This embrace of civilian slaughter was not haphazard, it was systematized. In Gaza, the IDF authorized acceptable collateral
damage levels that were historically extraordinary. Any old, low level Hamas rank and filer could be killed along with twenty civilians. In practice, it could be even higher because the IDF used rule of thumb guess work to determine how many people might be killed, and because they preferred to use so called dumb bombs to take out these low level possible soldiers. The IDF did not want to waste expensive
precision guided munitions on inconsequential Hamas piance. Dumb bombs may take out a few houses instead of one, or collapse an entire apartment building instead of having the capability to just target a single floor. As one source told nine seven to two quote. In practice, the principle of proportionality
did not exist when it came to senior commanders. Official guidelines allowed for one hundred civilians to be killed in connection with their assassination, but here too, the reality was that even higher civilian massacres were accepted per nine seven to two in order to assassinate aim and no fall.
The commander of Hamas's Central Gaza Brigade, a source said the army authorized the killing of approximately three hundred civilians, destroying several buildings and airstrikes on Albarete refugee camp on October seventeenth, based on an imprecise pinpointing of Nafal between I mean sixteen to eighteen houses were wiped out in the attack. Amra Al Kaseb, a resident of the camp, told nine seventy two in local call, we couldn't tell
one apartment from the other. They all got mixed up in the rubble and we found human body parts everywhere. So for comparison here, the US during the War on Terror typically operated at a non combatant casualty value or NCV, the official term for acceptable collateral damage of zero, even when targeting Osama.
Bin Lan himself. The NCV was thirty. In actual execution.
Of the bin Lan raid, Seal Team six killed three bin Laden sons and one woman. Now, I am not arguing in the US was a paragon of virtuous warfighting and avoided civilian casualties in the War on Terror. But there is no comparison between Israel routinely dropping two thousand pounds bunker buster bombs on crowded refugee camps to maybe take out a single person and the high risk operation which we used to kill Osama bin Laden. So let's
put the pieces together here. If you classify every military age man as a combatant, and you classify every one of his family members as acceptable collateral damage, you have effectively turned an entire population into legitimate military targets. The tech is scary, but the humans making those decisions driving the tech, they are terrifying. You can see the same logic and the official idea of explanation for why they
targeted the World Central Kitchen AID convoy. Just as with Lavender, all it took was the possible presence of one fighting age male with a gun for every one of those AID workers to be marked for assassination. There's a reason for this, though multiple sources made it clear to nine seven to two that in plenty of instances the real goal was not hunting some hamas commander or another was revenge.
Per nine seven to two quote, there was a completely permissive policy regarding the casualties of bombing operations, so permissive that, in my opinion, it had an element of revenge. D An intelligence source claimed also use the word revenge to describe the atmosphere inside the army after October seventh, quote, no one thought about what to do afterward when the war is over, or how it will be possible to live in Gaza and what they will do with it. A said, we were told now we have to f Uphamas,
no matter what the cost. Whatever you can you bomb, whatever you can you bomb. There's no turning back from these things, from the AI generated kill list based on mass surveillance to the normalization of murdering whole families to possibly get one rank and file soldier to revenge fuel
destruction of every possible piece of civilian infrastructure. Israel's actions in Gaza have opened Pandora's box for new, previously unimaginable horrors, unchecked brutality, with unleashed and unaccountable tech Sagar.
The details here are really extreme.
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