2/8/23: State Of The Union 2023

dot com. With that, let's get to the show. Hello, Hello, everybody, good evening, Welcome to our State of the Union live stream with the dream team that we have assembled here. What do we have today, crystol Indeed, we do have a great program for you this evening. All right. So, as you guys know, President is preparing to give his annual State of the Union addressed to Congress. A few

things that are different this year. I mean, the big thing is that we have Kevin McCarthy now in a Speaker of the House, so visually he'll be there instead of Nancy Pelosi, signal of the fact that it is a different time in Washington. And frankly, all of the things that he's going to lay out that he would theoretically want to get done are obviously not going to

get done because of that reality. But we're going to take a look at some things we have pulled for you about the actual state of the economy, in particular because he's going to lead a lot into that, and also the political landscape because in a lot of ways,

this is kind of his launch for his reelection. He's not going to officially launch till March or April, but this is the beginning of Joe Biden making the case for what he's done, what he wants to do going forward, and also you know, what he thinks needs to be pushed back on for the Republicans. So we are joined by the wonderful Marshall and the wonderful Kyle. Gentlemen, welcome. Hey, me and Marshall did not plan our outfits to look as really good. I agree, I think we look good.

I think I think watchers are breaking what's we Notice that Kyle has been really stepping up since that first episode. You're morphing into Sager and I'm looking forward to the tie next time. Yeah, what happened to the tie first? What was the first episode? Yeah? What was I wearing drama when we when we unveiled the first breaking points like live recording back in Geez twenty twenty one. So look, I think there's something we could all do and learn

from each other. Oh wowrobably wearing like pajamas plants or I mean, he's like, why don't get you on your pants. I don't want to give away the game here, but he is wearing sweatpants and slippers right now, so don't blow my spot up. But one time the sweatpants actually matched the jacket, and here you are raining on everybody's prea. Be careful, Kyle, because on our set you can actually see the upper links of your truth. But just trying to be transparent, that's all right. I didn't want I

didn't want people to think I'd changed you. You know, you're still the same guy. I actually have no pants on right now, but he's got the celter next to him, so that's how you know that things are a little bit different, all right, Okay. State of the Union, as chrissel mentioned, this is something where the president is basically running for re election. I actually did not know this, and I'm actually curious what you guys think of this.

I don't really know why, but a lot of people watched the State of the Union, so I was looking at twenty twenty two data for some of the most watched programming in the United States top one hundred. Vast majority of it was the NFL unsurprisingly or it was almost all sporting events, the only one, and it was actually within the top fifty state of the Union. Tens of millions of people watch and actually tune into this, probably more so than when President Biden eventually will announce

his reelection. So this is his case, and he's running on the economy. So one of the things that we pulled, and this is a very important metric as to how exactly he's talking right now. Let's go and put our first element up here on the screen, guys. A one is the state of the US economy right now. I don't think there's ever been a weirder economy to actually discuss, which is the jobs report came in red hot, five hundred and seventeen thousand jobs added in January. They completely

crushed the estimates. We have a fifty three year low of unemployment, We have modest real wage growth. We have changed from a zero interest rate environment. Social Security checks went up. However, they went up because of inflation. And that's the downside to this entire discussion, which is that people are upset about the state of the economy in some ways, they've never felt worse, and we'll get to that. And in general, there's a sense of malays while all

of the top line metrics are really good. So I really we've struggled with this a lot here on the show, which is, how do you describe that, you know, eggs are seven dollars, but you know people have got jobs, So what is that? What type of economy is that? And how do you how does a president relay that to the American people? Marshall, why don't you pick that one up because I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. Yeah.

I think the argument that they're going to order what we make here is that things were at their worst probably last summer, and since then we've seen and this is me echoing what a different version of Biden would be saying on fifteen different levels. But things have just gotten better and they're going to keep getting better, and we should have faith in the president that that message

is going to work. That's basically I think what they're going to want to get from folks, because if you just really see with those midterm results, Republicans just came in thinking that the economic message was going to be particularly successful, that malaise Sagrey you reference, was going to translate into the ballot box, and it really didn't. So I think they're just betting that the next two years

going to follow the pattern this September to November did. Yeah, But I feel like they might be learning the wrong lesson for that, because I don't think that the midterms were really a referendum, Like to the extent that they outperformed expectations, which no doubt about it, they definitely did, and to the extent that Republicans underperformed expectations, I don't know that they really reflected that people felt great about how the economy was going, because we just haven't seen

that data reflected anywhere. I mean, let's go and put the next element up on the screen. You have record numbers of Americans saying that they are worse off under Joe Biden economically. That's not a good sign. You've got plenty of people who are saying we're on the wrong track. You have people feeling like we're headed into a recession

or we're already in a recession. I just saw numbers today about everybody spending down like whatever savings they were able to accumulate during the pandemic from pandemic relief programs, they're spending all of that down. You have credit card debt going up and going up, so you might have a low unemployment number, but people are not feeling like

this is a great economy. And I've always thought there's a real danger in trying to over sell something, to try to pretend like, hey, mission accomplished, we got this, it's all good, when that is not what people are feeling or experiencing in their regular lives. I mean, I actually think there's we talked about this before, but it's the bluff strategy, and I actually think there is a

little bit of wisdom in that. I think that this is why you see after every state of the Union, you get a little bit of a you know, a pump in the in the approval rating five points if you're lucky, maybe ten points, and now it's temporary, doesn't last forever, but you get a little bit of a because people are looking for you know, the raw, raw cheerlead, let's go get this where America type stuff. So I

think there is wisdom in that. But I agree with your point that I don't think the economy is great, Like, yeah, they're probably going to do a victory lap over these jobs numbers. But we looked at the data crystal and correct me if I'm wrong, But didn't we see that it was mostly like medical field and service sector jobs. Yeah,

so that's what people so base. I mean, look gig economy type stuff, right, Like, people have jobs, but it's not like it used to be back in the day, where you go to you have a manufacturing job, you make a decent money, you have a pension, you have a house and a car, and maybe even a little

vacation homers. It's not like that. Yeah. Well and okay, so to break down the jobs numbers a little bit, you're absolutely right that the most of the growth has been hospitality, leisure, so things that in the service economy that really went away during the pandemic that is now coming back, and so there's a lot of job growth there. There's a lot of job growth in terms of healthcare.

I mean that's both in terms of like demographic trends, but also you had a lot of turnover during the pandemic in the healthcare sector as well, So that's where a lot of the growth is and you also see in terms of wages, you see the fastest growth of wages, which is still not enough, especially when you consider inflation

is also at the lower end of the spectrum. But when you consider that we've gone decades without the lower end of the spectrum getting any raise whatsoever, when you consider the wage stagnation that we've had basically my entire life, it's going to take a lot more than a tiny percentage point in slightly more than inflation for people in that segment of the economy to feel like, hey, I'm good, everything is okay now. So yeah, I think it is

a strange economy. I think there are things that the Biden administration can sell about what they've done so far, you know, with working across the aisle in certain instances, with the infrastructure bill, getting the Inflation Reduction Act passed. I just saw some numbers about how that has created something like one hundred thousand jobs in terms of green energy. There are things there to sell. But I think you've got a level with people and meet them where they are.

And the bottom line is Americans do not feel like it is mission accomplished. They feel very unstable. They feel like they are worse off than they were previously. And if you are meeting that emotional energy and also laying out a path of Okay, here's what we have to do from there, there's no doubt that your political adversaries are going to take advantage of that opening. Yeah. For me, I think that Biden's speech is going to be all about balance. As Kyle, as you said, I mean President Obama.

Essentially we have the same economy now did under Obama. Obama crawled out of two thousand and eight and then you did see some job growth, but the job growth was all in non unionized sector service economy. Wages were significantly down. That's one of the things that Mitt Romney actually ran against him. So if I'm Biden, one of the things that you want to do is, you know, you want to bluff your way a little bit. I actually think leaning into the economy would be the biggest mistake.

So he's got three of the most popular things right now that are on his side. Number one is stopped the steal. And actually we have an excerpt right now from the President of what he's going to open, or at least be at the top of the speech. Quote two years ago, our democracy faced its greatest threat since the Civil War. Today, through though bruised, our democracy remains unbowed and unbroken. Now, look, I'm not saying I agree

with that personally. I find a cringe that said, it would be completely undeniable to say that that message didn't resoundingly work during the mid term. So that's number one. Economically, it's not even about selling what he's done, selling what he plans to do, because we all know it's not

going to happen. It's like the these people have people in their ranks who want to cut Social Security and even though inflation is up and that's why the social Security checks went up, he'd be like, you gotta raised under President Biden. Again, I'm just making clear, like politically

what he should be saying. And then third is abortion. Obviously, if you have those three things and you put yourself as a ballwark against GOP extremism, specifically on stop the steal and on abortion, while contrasting yourself relentlessly with Speaker McCarthy with the Freedom Caucus on the debt ceiling, I actually think that and at the end of the day, that's the most honest, right Marshall that's all he actually can do. You can say all you want about a

billionaire minimum stack. That's not going to happen. Okay, it didn't happen during the democratic unified government, is certainly not going to happen whenever we're talking about cutting social security. So an honest and a balanced version of the speech, I actually think that might land. What do you think? Yeah, And I think the two things to highlight that you really just hinted that are Biden's central political skill, which only really came into account at this period of his life.

Plains while he wasn't able to become president at the earlier forty year period in his political career is against conventional wisdom. He's read the political mood of the country. So, for example, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, his whole candidacy. Once again, this isn't a comment on how he actually governed, but

his candidacy is actually was to make things normal. It's not actually about being the youngest candidates, not about being the hippus candidates, not about having the best policy quote unquote. It's just I get the sense that Americans are sick and tired of everything being crazy. So I'm just going to run as the old, reliable, conventional guy that was

the right column twenty twenty. In twenty twenty two, I think all of us are on record to echo your point of Sager and arguing that, hey, the democracy is under threat thing is cringe. It wasn't just such sort of us arguing that basically the broad mainstream of both parties thought that was going to be an effective message. That was an incredibly effective message, especially in the swing states. They're going to make or break him in twenty twenty four.

So the real thing I'm looking for tonight is is Biden going to be able to read and set up what the actual political vibe quote unquote is moving forward. Then the other thing to think about is obviously the

Republican responses. Party responses in general aren't particularly important, but I think this one is going to be important in the sense that Sarah how could be Sanders newly elected governor of Arkansas and obviously former Press secretary for President Trump, she is basically representing the mainstream of the Republican Party.

And if we're looking back at American politics in two thousand and eight, I think one of the most important stories has been the Republican Party's consistent inability with the exception of Trump and twenty sixteen of reading the political vibe.

So you obviously have the Tea Party wins, but then that leads to Tea Party win, arrogance going into twenty twelve leads to rominy and winning the nomination that wins, That leads to Trump misreading the elector in twenty twenty and of course twenty twenty two, where Republicans thought that the inflation numbers and gas prices would be enough to win a resoundingly straightforward victory with the claims of a

red wave. So the real test is going to be a confided and to actually unders could Biden and repeat what he's been able to do since basically twenty eighteen, and then we're Republicans actually read the country correctly. That's a great point. So I want to get everybody here's opinion. So we have some excerpts actually of Sarah Sanders. This is what I hate about the response. If you have an excerpt of your response and it's not a response,

you know, it's just a pre plan tax speacher. It's like if you have a scripted speech that you could release before the speech. Then it's not an actual response. But all right, let's put that to the side. I'll read it for everybody. Crystal kylie war your guy's reaction. In the radical lefts America, Washington taxes you and lights your hard earned money on fire. You get crushed with

high gas prices, empty grocery shells. Our children are taught to hate one another on account of their race, but not to love one another or our great country while you reap the consequences of their failures. The Biden administration seems more interested in woke fantasies than the hard reality that Americans face every day. Most Americans simply want to live their lives in freedom and peace. But we are under attack in a left wing culture war that we

didn't start and we never wanted to fight. So that's what we have so far. What do you guys say, Oh boy, here we go yet. Look, the argument is never gonna land if you're trying to say that Joe Biden is woke. This is the guy who famously had gaffs, you know, before he became president. Like, Bro, you can't go into a seven eleven without seeing an Indian behind the Countery, I mean this guy was just you know, shooting from this. I will defend him on that. Okay,

where is some truth? You're just all right, let's just put it to rest. You're just not gonna get him on the woke stuff. It's just not gonna happen now. On the taxes thing, I just find that point kind of funny because Republicans in the House just passed the what's called the fare tax, which is effectively a thirty percent tax of thirty percent sales tax, and that is a massively regressive tax, so it raises taxes on the poor and the working class while it cuts taxes for

the wealthy. So I always found it interesting. I think this is an argument that Republicans have made. Effectively, They've defined themselves as like where the tax cut party. And I think a lot of people believe that means, oh, they're gonna cut my taxes and I'm working class American. But effectively that's not the case. Actually are increasing taxes on working people or they want to according to their

own plans, and decreasing it for the wealthy. Yeah, I mean, the fair tax stuff is such an own goal that it is unbelievable. And for people who don't know. A vote on the fair tax was something that the Kevin McCarthy holdouts demanded, and as Kyle just alluded to, what it says is you're going to get rid of the income tax altogether and instead you're going to have a

thirty percent sales tax. So as expensive as all your groceries, your meat, your eggs, your milk, or whatever is at the grocery store, how about we add thirty percent to that. That's literally what they demanded in terms of their you know, that was one of their concessions that they got for McCarthy. So yes, on that part, they have left themselves incredibly vulnerable. Be shocked if Biden doesn't talk about that ultimately in

the State of the Union tonight. But you know, another piece of this she sort of alluded to, like these fights over education that Ron DeSantis and now Trump are really leaning into. And I think, just whatever you think about the politics and ideology of that, I think it is a stupid state strategy. Politically, they thought that Glenn Youngkin really won in Virginia on running against critical race theory.

I don't think that's the case whatsoever. I think you had to the extent that the election was about education. It was much more about that. You just come out of a pandemic where schools had been literally shut down. But the minute that you're the party that is going I as president, from the federal government top down want to tell you what your kids can and can't learn.

That does not feel like freedom, And it also doesn't you Still to this day, even with Republicans leaning so heavily into this fight, guess who voters say they prefer on education. It's still Democrats. You know why, because the things they care about from the federal government on education are like funding and getting more teachers in the classroom. Those are the sorts of things that they're interested in hearing from candidates. So I know they think this is

a real winner. I don't think there is any evidence to back that up whatsoever. What do you think, Marshall. The other side of the coin, I would say is Ron DeSantis just won by twenty points. You know, he's incredible. This is essentially if I were to look at this, I'd say this is the DeSantis theory of the case. Republicans did win six percent on the national popular vote during the mid terms. They clearly think that this is a winner. What do you think of this as a

response in relation to what Chrysal and Kyle were saying. Yeah, I just want to echo what they both said because I think it's really helpful analysis. So a my take would probably be that education is the definition with state, and I mean it literally is the way I'm restructure.

But if you're looking if I would bet money that if you're looking at a state like Florida, in a state like Virginia, a purple state in the case of Virginia and now a very red state in the case of Florida, Yeah, it's probably true that if you're fighting over school boards and you're fighting over how the specific state government's going to set education's bath. Yeah, totally. I think that's the definition of an issue where publics could

win on. But I think we can look at the results in the twenty twenty midterms and say, hey, if we zoom out, does that state and local energy translate to national issues? I don't see it as much. And then Sager secondly to your point about Florida. Look, I would bet that if we just took out let's say Ron de Santis's fight with Disney, and let's say, for example, how he's really been aggressive on the university system, like aka appointing new boards at Florida University is like explicitly

fighting against wokeness. That's about him signaling for the twenty twenty four Republican primary. It has nothing to do with the broader party realignment in Florida. I bet if we actually looked at the voters, who, for example, were probably more purple in the two thousands, they're not voting based on how Disney is specially, like Disney has a special district that was governed in a unique way. Him getting

rid of that isn't shifting those voters. It's just the the Florida Democratic Party has been a dumpster fire since basically twenty ten. So I think that's the most important thing you need to think about. Go ahead, guys, what was I going to say something about? Uh? Especially Sager, you made this point about you were laying out what if you were DeSantis, how you would run against Trump, and you were talking about, Look, the economy in Florida

is good, open for business. I think to Marshall's point, like his strength in that's in the state, and the fact that he was able to win and win so you know, a lot sidedly, I think has a lot more to do with that than it does these niche hyper online Republican base issues, which may serve him well

in a Republican primary. But back to your question, marshal of like, are Republicans going to be able to read the room in terms of the mood of the electorate, Like how many regular moms, like swing mom voters out there are, like, you know what really the problem in the country is and in my life is wokeness. It's to your point though, DeSantis, he I watched his debate with Charlie and when debating Charlie Christ he didn't just do the you know, Republican Ron DeSantis primary tap dance,

he did the general election sort of tap dance. Yes, And so hearing what Sarah Huckabye Sanders said there, that sounds to me more like a Republican primary speech than a general election speech. And she should be doing more general election type speech now, because you're talking nominally to the whole country, not just to your own little health. So she also is probably auditioning for like a vice presidential slut. Yeah, who knows. I think my actual takeaway

is that all of that would be smart. But here's the thing. Republicans don't actually agree on economic policy, so you just have to leave that out of the speach. And I actually think that the real reason that it's not in there outside of a mention of high gas prices and yeah, or taxes, is literally because they really don't agree across the gamut on all of this. Yeah. I mean, look, I've always thought it's a potent strategy for Rohn DeSantis. I thought, look at the scoreboard was

the best political comeback that he's given so far. It's perfect, right, just look at the scoreboard in terms of how they're talking, you know, in his debates or whatever. With Gavin Newsom, It's like, dude, literally half a million of year people moved to my state. That's it, dunk. And the reason why is open for business, keeping the schools open. Everybody's

moving here. We're dynamic, we're having fun. We're trying to to the extent that we're prosecuting the culture war, it's to try and preserve normalcy quote unquote, whatever that means to the people of Florida. So that's probably why I think that the Sarah Huckabee Standards speech is not going to land necessarily in the way that it needs to. But let's also consider this, how many people are watching that actual rebuttal right, is this really at this point?

Is this the general election or what do we all talk about? That's a Republican primary speech. What probably Republicans are the only ones going to watch it. What's the reality that all three of these cable networks even play Well, we're not going to play it. The only way a lot of people are going to watch it is if it's a freaking disaster. We'll watch the flips of it after, you know, situation. I think about here every time I

drink something on here on the stage. Yeah, yeah, like I hope I don't Bobby Jindle, Now, I'm also traumatized by the Merca Review water drinking situation, so I have to like drink water on camera. Yeah, And Bobby Jindle, I mean that one is just infamous because that dude was seen as like the up and coming star and then that was it. That was it. So there is a chance that a lot of people will see Sarah Huckabee Sanders speech, but she should hope that that is

not what comes to pass. That's a good point Okay, let's let's talk about polling data, because this actually gets to exactly what we're all talking about. What do people care about going into the State of the Union. So let's go ahead and throw up this next element here up on the screen, latest data that we have from Pew Research, right ahead of the State of the Union. I'm gonna go ahead and read these off. Our graphics team did a great job here. Strengthening the economy is

the American top policy priority. Dealing with COVID nineteen is among the lowest, so that gives me some hope. So

I'm gonna read these off. Number my number, Strengthening the economy seventy five, reducing healthcare sixty percent or sixty percent, Defending against terrorism sixty Reducing the influence of money in politics fifty nine, making medicare financially sound fifty eight, reducing the budget deficit fifty seven, Reducing crime fifty seven, Improving education fifty seven, reducing the availability of illegal drugs fifty three, dealing with immigration fifty three, energy fifty two, improving the

job situation forty nine, dealing with the problems of poor people forty seven, the environment forty four, transportation forty two, military forty, dealing with climate change thirty seven, dealing with global trade is thirty four, Addressing issues around race is thirty two, dealing with challenges facing parents is twenty seven, and dealing with the coronavirus outbreak is all the way

at the bottom with twenty six. So what I take away from that is that this is the you know and I hate using the phrase, but it's a kitchen table you know issue as normal, and it's like one of those which is kichi. You sound like a nineteen nineties Bill Clinton political pundit, but you know, the guy who won the presidency, So maybe we should just borrow from it. What do you take away from those numbers, Marshal, in the context of everything that we're talking about, you

can finish. You could sip your drink first and then answer, no, I'm stapped. We're going to go so ay. The number one thing that stock out to me, and you read that out loud, was that energy was in the middle, which seems like a huge win if you're Biden and you I agree if you had this conversation in the middle of the summer, like I was saying earlier, it's all the energy. It's all about the prices being hide It's all about everyone seeing the photo of that what

seven eight dollars gas fan in California. So that's the victory right there. And that's kind of the point we're making at the top about Biden doesn't have to convince people that everything is hunky Dorian perfect. That's not what his job has been. It's kind of funny if you're and this is kind of why there's this interesting like Obama versus Biden contraos. I think if you're a president Obama,

you have to convince more of that. For Biden, it's basically like book man, it's pretty okay, let's keep things okay. So that really falls into that. And then two and this is just where the COVID thing's so interesting. This goes back to the Rond de Santis conversation. To what degree is the twenty twenty four electure going to be

interested in relitigating twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. So that's another thing to really think about there too, because that whole number of COVID concerns just I think we generally skew towards us just moving on from that issue, and basically in either direction, pretending it didn't happen or not. Yeah. Well, and that's a problem for Rond DeSantis too, because his whole case against Trump is about what he did with

regard to the coronavirus versus what Trump did. And so if that is lessening, if that's becoming less of a hot issue, even among Republican base voters, that makes his case somewhat less compelling at this point. But you know, looking at the issue set, it makes sense why Biden is going to focus on some of the things that

he's going to focus on. Apparently in his Date of the Union address, he's going to pull back some of the build back better elements that you didn't make it through into the Inflation Reduction Act, talking about renewing the expanded child tax Credit, something I am very big on, a thirty five dollars insulin cap for all Americans. That also be great. And healthcare costs was one of the top issues there, Medicaid expansion and eleven states, and childcare

and elder care. Now, as Soccer said, these are all the solid messaging. None of this is going to happen with the Republicans in control of the House. So this begins to lay out what the reelect pitch will be, what I would do in a second term as president. But you can see he's like squarely focused on these sort of core economic issues that clearly are top of

mine for voters. Yeah, and when you look at the top one, strengthen the economy that you have, reducing healthcare costs, there are things he can point to of like, look, we're moving in the right direction here. So the thing we were talking about earlier, Crystal, we're on shoring three hundred and fifty thousand jobs right now. That's something that he probably will brag about if I had to guess. Also, on lowering health care costs, I mean, as part of

the IRA, they do have lower prescription drug prices. Now it's only for it's only certain drugs, and it's only for seniors. But there's also a cap that two thousand dollars out of pocket and there's two hundred and eighty eight billion dollars in savings for seniors. These are things that he could bring up to say like, look, I'm addressing your your top concerns and so like I'm on it, and what are those guys doing nothing? Yeah? By the way.

A shout out to the live chat Marshall. My favorite comments so far is that you are the breaking points designated survivor. That's a good one. That's a good one. They gotta they gotta shout it out to all of them, you guys. The terrible monologue got on to open with tomorrow. Yeah, just get chat Gptrie, just get chat TPT to write it if we get if we get, by the way, you know, if the capital does, God forbid, get attacked, we will be incinerated in the blast because we're close

enough to that. So we love you all. You'll be able all of that going on here. If we have any super chats that are good, we'll go ahead and read some of those were. Saga floated beforehand that George Santos should be the designated survivor because he's what the country. He's a true he's what I deserve, what the country is. I have a fun Santos update of if everybody is interested.

Santos has sat himself in the center aisle of the House of Representative specifically to try and shake President Biden's hand on national TV, and he is drawing attention to himself with a bright traffic cone, orange tie. Oh my god, you gotta give it to the man. He has no shame. That is a bad call. First of all fashion wise disaster, but second just the shamelessness, like he knows that millions, tens of millions of people are going to watch. He's

going to go in there for that handshake. There are a couple of notorious members of Congress who do this, who get their hours and hours early. Shila Jackson Lee. I remember from my time as a congressional intern, it was like lore that she always does it because apparently her constitution. You ands are always like I saw you at the State of the Union shake. Apparently it works. Again. I don't know why people watch this thing's good. Is

going to save George Santos's career? Maybe it will that big Biden and shake and you can grab the photo. It's amazing. I who credits happen? Though? How can you have GOP creds if he's going to sit there and shake the president's hand. Gotta do what he's got to do, ask for other stunts. Kevin McCarthy has confirmed he will not rip up the State of the Union. So thank you Kevin for this. In the House. Yeah, will he will do a clap like this. It's always fun. Actually,

that's actually his biggest problem. He just you're not going to tur into me meme in either direction. I agree. Yeah,

he doesn't have it him. That's fair, that's unfortunate. Something I look for at a good speaker of the House is very memorable, right, I mean, listen, actually, Biden, if I remember, it was hilarious to watch during Obama's State of the Unions he would sometimes like forget to button his jacket or sometimes you would do that thing where he would button every time he stood up unbuttoned every time. It was like, chill, dude, just up and down. It's all good. You know, we're fine. You don't need to

button it. There's always the game too, of like who's going to stand for which lines and who's going to sit for the other lines. There's always that dynamic going

on too, my Majesty of the State of the Year. Yeah, it is funny though, because I mean, people really do take time out, like normal people take time out and sit down, and it is part of like the American tradition, and so it is as much as we sort of make fun of some of the pomp and circumstance and like ridiculous nature of how this all comes together and

the way people behave et cetera. It is important, and I'm in favor of more transparency, more account and more going in front of the American people and laying out what you did and how you're selling it and what you think about it and what's going to come next. So I am I am a State of the Union supporter, and I am I am unironically excited to hear how

this all goes tonight. The one thing I wish people every now and then a president would do is be a like more honest and say, ladies and gentlemen, the state of the Union is terrible. There actually was one. I forget who was We watched the compilation the other day. I remember who what was it? Ford? I think maybe Ford did it well. He did it in a way where he was like it was like moving on from Nixon, as in it was like, look I get it, you

know that time. So but now we're all together. I bought it the other guy, I mean, he was smart. He almost won re election. So it actually I was going to say, how that, how did that turn out for our president. It came close. You got to give the man credit and credit where it's due. Actually, wait, we're quick, Kyle, because that's kind of interesting because you think about it. I think, and this goes to the whole debate about whether or not the Republicans want to

make Trump the presidential candidate again. Trump is the only guy in modern American politics who's won and once again referring to twenty fifteen twenty sixteen on a message of pessimism and carnage, Like we make fun of Jimmy Carter for saying Malays for a reason, I mean technically say Malays, but like it was called the Malays speech because that

was the general vibe of it. But I think it's a real interesting test of whether or not people are going to want to hear but everything is shitty versus hey, we're moving forward, things are getting more normal again. That's another one of those debates of what the count his mood is. Yeah, I mean there was there was a realism to it though, you know, like when Trump was Trump was specific in saying, you know, our infrastructure is

a mess, our airports are a mess. You know, the middle of the country has been hollowed out, we're shipping all the jobs to Mexico, and that stuff is actually true, you know. Now, Republicans were used to the Ronald Reagan style of politics for a very long time, where it's like morning in America and everything's happy and sunshine and puppies and all that stuff, and Trump really changed that mold.

I think a lot of that is dependent on the personality, kind of like, can the personality, you know, create a convincing case with the pessimism or is it you know, somebody whose disposition is more in line with something that's like sunny and positive. You know, I think I think there are other candidates would probably get away with it.

And I mean to an extent. Bernie kind of did that too, right twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen, he was more hopeful, but certainly yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, But I mean I think that is a note that Biden could potentially land. Listen, I just don't, okay, all right, Biden at this point in his career, No, he probably can't.

Let me want not that. But I don't think there is anything more powerful than meeting people where they are then expressing a truth that they feel like in their life and that they don't feel like is being reflected in Washington. And that was the power of Trump, Like he said things that other politicians weren't saying, and people were like, you know what, I feel that, Like, that's what I see. That's how I see things at this point. And so you can meet people where they're at and

not just be like and so everything sucks. I mean, Biden always layers in this like, you know, American exceptionalism, optimism where we're like, we're America, We're gonna do this and whatever, like he you can have that piece too, and here's the plan and here's how we're gonna pull it together. I just think it's a fool's errand to try to persuade people that the economy is amazing when

that's not what they feel in their lives. By the way, Trump would also when he did his State of the Unions, he would also brag relentlessly, so like, as long as he's in power, it's like everything's great, everything's phenomenally is amazing. But when he was out of hours, remember when he was having the debate publicly, should I do make America great again again? Or should I do keep America great. Remember, Yeah, he was like pulling the audience again. I think he

actually used both uh slogans first. It certainly did. Yeah, I mean that was actually a funny time. I remember that. By the way, shout out to our super chats Marshall. Somebody wants to get you on JR. Kyle. Somebody is loving the hair and somebody says I would make an excellent statesman. You are incorrect, sir, I do not agree

with that. Puddling back a little bit, Marshall, you I don't remember the quote, but there was a Peter Teal quote I believe from what was it twenty fifteen where he talked about supporting Trump, and it was anchored in exactly what we're talking about here where Teal, known in Silicon Valley for contrarianism, effectively said something and Marshall will fill in the gap here where he was like, No, I actually think that the message to bet On is

a message of decline, not a message of optimism. Marshall, I know you have more of the details on that. Yeah. No, this is in the George Packers interviews with Peter Thiel from twenty thirteen. Ye also did a great book called The Unwinding. It's somewhere back here, but I think folks should definitely check out George's twenty ten's work. But basically the point of the quote was Peter was saying, my contrarian bet is that everyone thinks that people are looking

for optimism and a sunny disposition. This is coming out of obviously twenty twelve, where you've got ntt Romney and Paul Ryan running as America's comeback team. All that like very specific, like we can rebuild and fix all the mistakes Obama's supposedly made. And his point was, I think whoever's smart is going to pick up on the vibe that the country wants something negative. And obviously I guarantee you that Trump did not read The Unwinding or read

the New Yorker. But once again, I think I think that speaks out in certain moments. Certain politicians have specific skill sets that are important, and Trump's important skill set in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen was that he could pick that up when all of his opponents, Marco ru Rubio running as like the candidate of the New American century. That was actually what the slow and you have like Jeff Bush saying we're going to have like

four percent economic growth and we can do it. But this once again the problem though of a politician who's specifically good in one moment and not another moment, which is Trump bringing that energy to periods when he didn't need to bring it. And I also think Trump's like everything is a disaster. Energy is also is also what urges him to be an election denier. It's what urges him to select ridiculous candidates like you know, Carrie Lake

use his endorsements improperly. So the real test is can twenty six can he course correct, which probably not honestly. It's also I mean, it's also the difference between being an incumbent and being an opposition. Right, If you're an opposition, it's easier to be like everything sucks and these people are blowing in it's terrible, And yeah, it's harder. I mean, admittedly you're in a more difficult position and you're like, I've been president for a few years now and things

are still challenging, but we've done some good stuff. I mean, there is just more of a line ultimately that you have to walk there. Yeah, that's true. Quick shout out. Somebody left a super chat Alex dos Lieb. He says Biden fetishizes by partisanship so much he has one red eyeball and one blue eyeball. I'll be happy and wrong if he vetos cuts to Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security. I do think he would veto cuts to Medicare at Social Security. Also, given the fact that you have Donald

Trump out there literally saying don't do that. So there's going to be a sizeable portion of Republican senators and of Republican congressmen who are like, look, I'm They're like, I may support this stuff behind the scenes, but I'm not voting for that. So hope that's true. I hope Trump really still has that kind of sway over them.

I personally think that, yes, I believe that on this issue that while in the driver's seat the Freedom Caucus and some of the ideologues there are, they're probably at this point. I could be totally wrong and we will see what the ultimate vote count on this. I do not think it will ultimately come down to cuts for Social Security. I do think that is important. Fun factoid Biden will be the oldest man to ever deliver the State of the Union today and from this day forward.

So that is a fun one for everybody in terms of what else that we know about the speech. One of the things he's actually going to be taking credit for, Marshall, and this goes to what you were talking about, is gas prices. So whenever you brought it up, I've got the national average in front of me is three dollars, is three dollars and forty five cents a gallon on average,

I mean, still high, but it's not terrible. If you look at a year ago, who's exactly three forty that's right around the time that Russia invaded Ukraine or I believe right before that. So gas is relatively stable. There's not a state in this entire country where gas is over five dollars a gallon. Our friends in California are paying for sixty. Of course, that's going to be an important metric. So I really think that he just has to come back to the basics, like he's got to

talk about Trump, stop the steal. You want to frame it exactly in that way. You want to hammer abortion probably at the very top. Thank the voters who kept the Democrats in the Senate. Give shout outs to John Fetterman, give shout outs to who is the Arizona with the Arizona gubernatorial candid Katie Hobbs. You want to give shout outs to those people and say we heard you on that issue. And you know, this is part of what's fold to get back into reelection is but Republicans at

the House. So if you want us to get anything done, you have to vote for us again in twenty twenty two. So I want to ask Marshall, Marshall, how long do you think Biden can keep going back to this January sixth? Well, as long that's a great question, as long as Republicans nominate candidates that activate voters as whoa, let's not do that.

And this is the thing because like that's actually the way to think about which is the reason why Republicans were screwed in twenty twenty two is they, like I think many of us in like the commentary space, thought that voters didn't care. And it's not as if like Republicans were like and by that I mean like the party establishment in DC. It's not as if they were,

you know, explicitly saying hey, stop this deal. I think they were probably arguing or believing it's going to be a wash was a huge issue obviously in those big results in those swing states. So as long as Republicans nominate the wrong candidates, and I'm not meaning wrong in the moral sense, I'm saying wrong in the sense that candidates who are performing for party primary bases who want to hear stop the fuel bullshit with obviously like intercepting

with the general election. Right, is he be able to talk about it until the Republican Party And by the way, I don't mean the entire Republican Party. I mean until swing state Republicans basically move on from this issue or start saying in their primaries, Hey, well select whoever reads the vibe and doesn't talk about lectures not working? Yeah, why does anyone to go to it? Yes, yeah, you're

absolutely right. As long as as Donald Trump is alive and breathing, Biden should thump it for all these are not I wish it didn't work this way, folks, but it does. So there's another piece of that's going to be very critical to his performance. As much as we all pay a lot of attention to the policy and have a lot of opinions on what would be good and what's bad and how things have gone all of that. A lot of this is also people taking a vibe check of whether this eighty year old man is up

to the task of another four years. That's good and you know it's not just because they're concerned about okay, can he personally handle it? But you also will have visibly behind him Kamala Harris, the vice president who would be next in line, who not a lot of people are super fond of. We can actually put this up on the screen from the New York Times. This piece from the New York Times about Kamala Harris is devastating. The headline here is Kamala Harris is trying to define

her vice presidency. Even her allies are tired of waiting. They say in here that even some of the Democrats that her own office told reporters would give them supportive quotes confided privately that they had lost hope in her. So even the people that Kamala Harris was like, this guy is going to say great things about me, when this New York Times reporter actually went to them, they

were like, Oh, this is not going that well. And so you couple the ag issue with concerns about whether the current vice president would be up to the job, and just the optics of how he's able to navigate the speech and what his energy level is like and how he delivers it. That's going to be almost as crucial, sober, I think, as anything else that he says here. Absolutely.

I mean, one of the things that always drives me crazy is that they mentioned like Biden who overcame his stutter, and they're like, he's working very hard on over Listen. I've listened to the man for literally over a decade. He didn't have a stutter until he miraculously became seventy eight years old and started running for president again, shocking. So they're appointing that as one of the issues that he's going to have to deal with is overcome his stutter.

You're right, though, Look it's a key thing. And if you look at all of the polling data that we have available to us, Biden's age is a serious problem. It is one of the major reservations. It's one of the main reasons Democrats do not want him to run again. I mean, you said this, and it's internal. He will be eighty six years old on his last year's president. If he gets real that's crazy, like eighty six years old.

I don't. It's difficult to even describe. I think. I mean, most people know who has interacted with somebody who has that old and exactly what exponential decline can look like, especially at that age. This is not a commentary. I hope that it doesn't happen to him, but if we're betting on the odds, it's very likely to. And then then if you're going to have a political successor, one of our super chats says, I hope that Biden fires mayor Pete live on the air. That would be good

for his political popularity. I agree, we're gonna make air. He goes, come on, man, airplanes aren't flying. You're out of here. We got by the way, we have the exact same super chat. Oh really that is perfect. Whoever that guy is, I love this guy. It's true to a lot of normy Americans, vibes really do matter. Vibes are really important, and so a lot of the speech is going to be just about optics and very intangible

things like was he communicating? And so I hope they give him a nice solid dose of adderall, and he can get through it. I also wanted to point out that I do find it genuinely hilarious that Biden really struggles to talk, but he's more popular than Kamala Harris. That's that's interesting to me. And there's something she has,

like she has like an anti charisma about her. I love there was a story that came out yesterday or the day before where she says how she hates platitudes, which is the most ironic thing anybody's ever said, because she is a platitude machine. Got yeah, glorious. What were you saying there, Marshall? Go ahead, Well, you know, I just I think the thing that so several things, So one I just looked it up. So Trump right now

is seventy six years old. And this is one of those awkward arguments that Desantas is in such an awkward position because the strongest arguments he could make are ones that are that basically could rely on actually assuming that

Biden is more powerful he looks. So I make those like I think those So for example, if Biden is just this like weak, hobbled old man, he's going to be you know, knocked over just like that Okay, like, does it really matter that Trump is also seventy six years that Trump is seventy six years old and would obviously be like, you know, in his mid eighties by

the time he leaves as well. Too. A strong argument for DeSantis would just be that generation would be making an aggressive version of that generation argument, but he's not gonna be able to make it, I think, for I think complicated reasons, we're fuck what the GP base is looking for. But then on a broader level too, I think the problem that Republicans also have when they focus on like Biden's you know, speech issues and how he's dodding is I think at this point it's a sunk cost.

Everybody knows it's been priced in. You if you just don't think that Joe Biden is particularly compelling speech issues aside, you're probably already lost. Then I think the last thing is that I'm just really skeptical of these whole numbers, especially of like Democrats who are saying, oh, like, we don't really want Biden to win run again, because I think at the end of the day, if you give them most of their alternatives, they're actually pausible. They don't

want that alternative. Yeah, that's fair. And then b if you ask that question in the vacuum, that's a different question than Okay Biden or Ron DeSantis, which is gonna be the main thing. It's a base turnout issue, all right. So let's take a look at some polling. Let's put this next element up on the screen. B two and you have Trump Biden head to head here from this is ABC Washington Post, and you have had since September a significant move towards Donald Trump. So they have Trump

over Biden forty eight forty five. That's three points. It's I believe, within the margin of error, you have him up nine points on Biden. With regards to independence, again, this is a five point swing towards Trump from September. And you know, the reason Joe Biden is won the Democratic nomination, the reason he is president of the United States right now is because Democrats thought he was the most electable candidate and their number one goal was beating

Donald Trump. So the more he has numbers like this where it's like, I don't know, I don't know, even you're not even in a position to beat Donald after everything that Donald Trump has done, and how sick everybody is of this guy. You're still not in a position to beat this guy. That's a real problem for him. You're look at skeptical, Kyle Y. I'm very skeptical of that. Yeah.

I mean, look, we're a little removed from the insanity of the Trump presidency, you know, but I don't think it'll take all that much to remind Americans just how insane Trump was. And yeah, Biden was the return to normal candidate, like, Okay, things are going to a little too wacky. Let's you know, let's get back in line here, let's calm down a little bit. And he won. I think if it were to be Biden versus Trump again, Biden will do the best against Trump that he could

do against anybody. In other words, if you put DeSantis against Biden, I think DeSantis is a big favorite. You put fill in the blank with generic Republican versus Biden, I think the generic Republican is going to do better. I think Trump is the most beatable of the Republicans. I'm not doubting these numbers at the moment, but I think that I don't think that can hold. I don't think these numbers will hold. I agree with you that

Trump is the most beatable, probably of the Republicans. But I also don't underestimate him Trump, y, I am, I'm doing that. I'm underestimating You've always underrested. Wait, that is I have to correct the record. That is not true. Correct Marshall won sack one sec In recent times, Yes, because people need to remember. I was one of the

first people saying Trump can win the whole presidency. And I was one of the first people saying, especially when we realized it was Hillary versus Trump, I said Donald Trump is the favorite because he's going to pounce on Hillary for all of her weaknesses. So early on I called a lot about the Trump era that a lot of people missed, and the conventional wisdom became like teflandn, teflandn, teflandon. And again, I think I'm a little bit ahead here

because I think the era of Teflandon is largely over. That, to be fair, has changed a little bit in recent days. I thought the Santas was a solid favorite. Now I do think Trump is a favorite in the Republican primary. But I'm just saying that the conventional wisdom is still in people's heads of oh, he's unbeatable stephlond On, and I think now it's the opposite. I think he's the most beatable, he's the most fringe. He's over on truth

social talking about terminating the Constitution. That doesn't matter. That was hilarious. I want to talking about that was actually that was really cool. Go ahead, Marshall, let's go. Let's actually go there for a second. I'm not sure I believe this, but I'm just going to respond to what's being said here. Why shouldn't I think there's more danger

of overestimating Trump and I underestimating Trump. Like the story of Donald Trump, with the exception of the you know, the Republican primary twenty fifty, twenty sixteen and November twenty sixteen, is the story of disaster. It's him deciding that he's going to pass a tax cut as his first act. It's decided to do the Obamacare thing, and then pissing

off John McCain. So that goes down in flames. The midterms are a disaster, The twenty twenty election is a disaster, and he selects the worst candidates in twenty twenty two. So what's the case for thinking, actually he's got something in you know, his back pocket. He hasn't had something in his back pocket since twenty sixteen. That's done. Marshall spon.

Let me let me say Marshall spitten. Though this dude did such an abysmal job during COVID that people were literally dying because of his lack of leadership, and he's still almost won butty thousand most but he didn't almost one, but he didn't, So you can't just like write him off when it was like forty thousand votes. Go in a different direction and he's still president of the United States. I agree, he's what I think DeSantis would be a

stronger candidate. I think any normal Republican would be a stronger candidate. But I'm not going to go out there and say, like, there's no boy, Joe Biden could lose to this guy, because I think Joe Biden definitely could lose to this one. Yeah, And I think that's where I am and more. What I think I'm responding to is the idea of like, look, after twenty twenty two, he's done, he's dead, he's got no power, And there

is quite a bit of this. Maybe it's too online, and I'm guilty of just internal it but I see, and especially in the days right after twenty twenty two, a lot of people were willing to say we're moving on, it's done. And guess what, guys, Ron de Santis has not announced her president so far. Only Nicky Haley is the one who's signaling that she's gonna do it. She'd we all know that she doesn't have a chance in hell. Mike Pompeo, who is as pathetic as Nicki Haley as

a candidate, is also not announcing for president. Many Asa Hutchinson, the guy who was talking against him on CNN, where's his super pack? So look, he's still got a lot of power. How about this one, Larry Hogan, Yeah, never Trump, dude, right, I mean he's been like very anti Trump for a while now. They asked him if he would back the Republican nominee even if it was Trump, and he was like, yes, yes, whereas Trump isn't there, Like, I don't know, we'll see,

we'll see if I back the Republican nominee. Maybe here's a better way of putting it, Like at the end of the day, anybody and actually remember saying this whenever Trump was on the ballot, But he was like, nobody, he can't win. I said, look, sometimes if it's fifty to fifty, like if your name is on the ballot as a presidential nominee, you absolutely can win the American presidency. And so that's where that's when I say not underresting in him. I do. I think it is more likely

than not. Honestly, I don't know. I mean I look at a poll like this, and again I'm just taking back, which is, yeah, look stop the steal. That was dumb. And here's the other thing. You have you heard about it from Trump since you might have heard about it on truth Social. Who the hell knows what's going on on truth Social. So I will I'll just say this, at the end of the day, the debate is electability, yes, right, And I think Marshall and I maybe we agree on this. Marshall,

correct me if I'm wrong. I think that after losing three elections in a row twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty two, the Republicans, even the base Republicans, some of the base Republicans might go, you know what, maybe electability actually does matter a little bit, and maybe Republican voters will start acting a little more like Democratic voters were crats seem to put that like first and foremost above everybody else. Desperately wish that were to be true. Marshall,

You and I have talked about this. There is zero evidence that these people care about electability. See I disagree, but especially to try people, I'll I'll come in and disagree here. So like, this is where there's especially in the breaking point cinematic universe, there's a lot of discussion about how, oh the two parties are the same my body, body, body,

bond neck. Obviously there's critiques you can make there, But a way the two parties are desperately different from each other in a way that severely has hurt Republicans basically from twenty eighteen onwards is Democratic Party voters they basically just say electability. They're not thinking, Okay, what's the coolest policy. They're not thinking, oh, like, is this quite the guy who I like? It's just like, look, I just want to go across the finish line in November, and that's

just it. No evidence that a majority of Republican voters think the same way, because once again a Republican voters thought the same way, for good or for ill Ron just status, we would be doing the cakewalk right now. Trump would have been shut out everyone for example, like Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, as a Hutchinson, Larry Hogan, all these guys would have already endorsed, you know, Ron de

Santa's because it he that overwhelming in his favor. If a Democrat performed the way Trump performed, the notion that he could come back and run for office again just not on the table at all. Whatsoever. There's a reason why Jimmy Carter never came back. There's a reason why, you know, Al Gore didn't make a comeback, John Carrey, etcetera, etcetera, et cetera. I guess with the exception of but I guess Hillary lost the primary and she didn't lose the general.

The Democratic Party actually severely punishes politicians you can't win. Now, maybe that's a good thing, and that's a bad thing. Maybe it means that the party is going to be more like quote unquote corporate centrist and not really like push the needle and go more to the left and do something innovative. But that's a successful way of winning the popular vote. In seven of the last eight elections.

So my response to that is, there were many polls in the wake of the twenty twenty two election had Desant to sell double digits. Even today, there are still polls at the state level certain states where DeSantis is beating Trump in those states. So my point is not to say Republicans definitely will prioritize electability this time around. My point is let's have a little humility and realize they might they might actually go. You know what, we got to calm down a little bit with this psychotic

guy who lost US three elections in a row. But you know the reason why you ended up with so many fringe candidates who ran, you know, as Republicans and who actually got the nomination in a lot of key states and key races, etc. It really isn't so much about Trump endorsed them. It's about because that was what the Republican base was looking for. I mean, he Trump successfully made stop the steal, and where you stood on that issue like the most important litmus test in the

Republican Party. You were with him or you were against him. You were either a sellout or you were you know, in a cock and a rhino, or you were like a true believer and you were in to say the truth unstop this deal. And I also don't really see any signs that that has particularly. Okay, don't don't deny though, that there is a Republican civil war going on at the grassroots level right now. And absolutely it's happening. You have Ben Shapiro and Candice Owens and those types versus

Stephen Krafft. I would just peep that that even matters at all, But go ahead, Well, I'm just saying there's an actual split, there's a fight, and it's the same thing as people and Trump people. It's not like there's no fight in Trump already has this. It's a case absolutely, go ahead, Marshall. Well, what's interesting because I think you and I agree on this. I think I know where you're going. There's not a grassroots fight, but there really

is an elite media, elite organizations. It's kind of like the political I mean, political parties aren't as powerful as they used to be in terms of like who really like who's even in charge of the RNC and the DNC, No one really knows anymore. But like what's happened is those parties have like separated into media organizations and nonprofits and thinkings, all these things used to be done by the parties themselves. That is where the fight's going on

right now. So that's where people should be looking. You're not going to be It's not like back in the you know, nineteen fifties where you know, JFK and LBJ are battling over like state delegations from Wisconsin and Wyoming because the you know, party precinct committee chairman really matters there. So I think it's the But this is where I think, this is why we're overestimating disantas and I see this

more on the right side. The elite structures I think matter on the Democratic side, not in the conspiratorial sense, but like capturing elite structures is a way of signifying electability and normalcy. On the Republican side, it doesn't really matter if DC likes you, if anything, that's probably a bad thing. I'm just from a pure political perspective. So that's a real difference between the two parties. Two. Yeah, I'm jealous of that. So there is some truth to that,

and I'm very jealous of that. I have an update Labor Secretary Marty Walsh, who will be leaving the Biden administration to go and work for what is an airline union, the NHL, the NHL Players Association. That's right, the NHL Players Association. He is officially the designated survivor tonight, So congratulations to the Labor Secretary. Also for a George Santos update, there appears to have been an altercation between Mitt Romney

and George Santos on the floor. I mean like Romney said something to him, uh, then he like looked away from him. Here, I'll play it for you, guys. Do some like celebrity boxing thing. I don't, didn't he Yeah, okay, here's what you can see. Romney says something to I wish we had this for you guys. I'm very sorry. But what you're watching is that Santos is pissed off and he's kind of like saying something back at him. So if I had to guess what he happened is

he was like, you're a disgrace. Don't stand in the center issle. He might have said something though to that effect that wouldn't actually be a bad thing apparently. Yeah. So anyway, everybody on the everybody on the floor right now is making fun of George Santos want to shout out to the super chat right now saying I just want to say I appreciate you was able to get my twin brother to have more open mind by watching you could give your opinion on the future of the

used car market, please and what politicians could do. I'll tell you what, sir, for the used car market. Keep watching the show and we will continue. I know that you have a high level of interest in that. And also thank you very much to the other superchats Marshall which said that you look like Forrest Whittaker. I enjoyed Will Black celebrity one of these people. It's just like, you know, just what's the most common something new, the most two. So the most common one is like Charlie

from the West Wing. Oh right, gosh, if you're watching psych those were the those are the young day ones. So I want to please Sean di Stefano super Chat here. We give the politicians their jobs. We deserve the same healthcare they have. Republicans say they are pro life, so give everyone health care. Ah okay, agree, not a particularly original slogan. Given everybody health care, we'll go with it. Support that I'm able to entice saga, super chat person.

You failed you were this close. I'm right, not nineteen nineties level dunks. But look, it's all right. We'll take it here over at breaking points before we go over to I think he'll be coming in here shortly. We may have to so we oh, yeah, we're getting to stand by from it's just a transparency. They're going to tell us whenever the president is walking in. You've got the whole iconic like, what is it, mister speaker? I

guess it would be mister speaker again. Uh, you know, the President of the United States and usually takes on average between like two to seven minutes to walk down the aisle. He like shakes a bunch of hands. Is the cameras we'll track him. We'll break in sometime around that. It is officially nine pm here on the East Coast, So that is officially when the president is scheduled to talk. For those who are wondering why it's nine pm and why it's past my bedtime while we're even doing this,

that's because nine PM is the traditionals. Nine PM is the traditional, obviously primetime hour here in the United States. It's the most time in which eyeballs, or at least in the old times whenever people were watching linear TV are glued to the screen. Part of the reason why that they do it here at nine pm. Yes, and you can see right now, Oh, I see Pete talking to people, Joe Manchin, whatever. Anyway, they're all milling around talking,

waiting for the President to come. But one thing I wanted to bring up before the speech, because this will undoubtedly be part of that. This is last year at the State of the Union. You know, this was right after Russia had invaded Ukraine. This was obviously incredibly important focus of the speech and it will continue to be,

I'm sure an incredibly important focus of the speech. And one you know, critical political dividing line that is emerging is you have Trump really putting himself not just oppositional to Biden, but also to some of the other Republicans who might contest him in the primary in terms of saying, you know, we said no tanks, I would make a deal on the first day of my residency, et cetera,

et cetera. So you have him trying to seize Marshall on the Ukraine War as a sort of key dividing line for him within the Republican primary, but also for a potential general election. Yeah. I think the interesting thing about the Yeah, it's kind of amazing we made it almost an hour of bringing up Ukraine. Look, I think the Ukraine War matters in so obviously with the Ukraine War matters what we're talking in terms of party politics here, the Ukraine War is an important like within the Republican

party primary fight. It just right now in terms of where things are right now is not could be a big defin in general election issue. This is one which we also saw in terms of the midterm results. The status quos things are, the status quos things are right now is not one where the twenty twenty four election

is determined by what's happening in Ukraine. It is going to be an opportunity for Trump because when Trump's talking about the piece, he's not really fighting against Joe Biden as much as trying to signal subtly you're sort of seeing talk of the sagar. You've noticed this that Ron DeSantis is actually much more hawkish on foreign policy, and he's let on and you know, and you actually know this is almost certainly true because he doesn't talk about

it DeSantis is basically almost everything. We could all know Sasanta's positions on basically everything except for kind of China beyond like the court, so like a separate from cultural issues, so the TikTok stuff. We actually don't know where he's at when it comes to like issues like Taiwan. We don't know where he's that when it comes to Ukraine, which is strong evidence he's actually much more to the

more traditional Republican Party people. To back that up, Trump has retruthed at least one or two things, calling DeSantis a globalist on Ukraine. He has had taken some potshots at him on there. I actually agree, which is one of the things that Trump. What I think Trump is fantastic at is saying the politically popular thing that nobody wants to say from a political correctness point of view. Right now, he literally is the only major national figure

on the other side of Ukraine. Although look, let's be honest, he's been all over the place called for bombing the Chinese planes my personal favorite one that he's always had out there. What would he actually do in the event of all this, and should he get elected, I have no idea. By the way, history suggested he would be yeah, well this is this is what's this what's interesting? They're like, I just want to push back up in new saying

it's like it's like unclear whether it's the thing. Yeah, it's actually not, it's not right now right now, like it's it's good. Well, no, I don't think that's true. It's exactly fifty to fifty. But the point is, I think it's kind of so. I guess thats what we're trying to say here because from my perspective, we are in the Ukrainians. We don't put American boots in the ground. That's the majority position right now. That's actually in terms of the way the debate is being framed, that's not

really how it's looking right now. In terms of the Act's fifty polling, what's polling, it's for fifty to fifty for all continual aid to Ukraine from here on out. So that's not very popular, but that's not But it's the key thing though, is soccer. That's not the debate anymore. Like the Republican parties are like was the House like, you're not going to see massive, massive, massive packages because we got to we got to pull out of this

because the President is actually coming in now. So let's go ahead, guys, and we'll throw here to the president. We'll watch this. We're going to active all right. You have, of course been listening to the President of the United States delivering his State of the Union, leaning heavily into an economic message front and center at the top. But I think probably the thing a lot of people will pay the most attention to is how raucous the Republicans were.

You had Marjorie Taylor Green yelling you're a liar. Lots of especially over his comments about Social Security and Medicare. There's a big uproar. They were yelling at him about the border and other things. Kyle, let me go to you first of all, what were your sort of big takeaways bigees. Well, I like the fact that most of the speech was economic, and the early part was economic. I feel like that, you know, if you lean into that, that's positive and that'll get a good reaction, I think.

But obviously, yeah, the bigger story is how I'll go with the word annoying, How annoying the room was, And I'm very curious to throw it to you, guys. I don't know if it's just because I'm getting old. I don't know if it's because I'm tired and it's past my bedtime. But every single time somebody chirped up, I was like, shut up, just wrap it up. I don't want to hear it. It's annoying. He's speaking. He's the president, even if he wasn't the president, if he was Bob

from the PTA meeting. It's like, let Bob finish his thought. Because they're all just trying to get a viral moment. They're all just trying to fundraise off it because of the Joe Wilson moment back when Obama was president and he screamed to you lie and they had massive fundraising numbers. It's like, I get it, I get it, I get it. You're all virtue signaling. You're all trying to get you know, the spotlight on you. But it's it's dumb and it's annoying. Do you guys agree with me? I'm not so sure.

Here's the thing. In terms of my objective feelings about or in terms of my personal feelings about it, I'm indifferent. If anything, I actually do kind of enjoy it, just because I like the idea of a raucous house of representatives that said, look, if it's all fake and it's all a stage, then these people are gonna have to play their part. Right. You pointed to that Marjorie knows exactly what she's doing. She's absolutely gonna raise a lot

of money. But I would even step back. I don't think that was the biggest story that's going to come out of that. It might be a twenty four hour thing and some people will be like, oh my god, my norms. Guys. The biggest story the takeaway is whenever he would confronting them directly on Medicare and Social Security. I mean in terms of the take like, in terms of what we will be talking about probably for weeks now.

That moment is going to get replayed over and over again when he's like, okay, are we all agreed here? Oh so you agree with me, so it's not going to be a problem. Stand up if you agree with me. That was actually Look, I'll give the man credit. That was the best absolute part of the speech. It was the only part where he went off script and it did actually work for him. Are there were a couple what did he say? Name a man who would trade places with Jijinping. I still do not know exactly what

that means. All right, So, like my meta takeaway, I was telling you guys this during the speech, vast majority of people stop watching the State of the Union after about thirty to forty five minutes. Yeah, the first thirty forty five minutes was all an economic message. Most of it was made in America. I mean, look, not even President Obama ever gave a maide in America speech like that, And to me, that just shows me the way that Donald Trump really changed politics forever on made in America

and on China. So those two issues, it's solidly in this State of the Union. No president even almost disagrees now at that point, So for the Medicare and the Social Security and then I thought overall it was an effective speech as far as biden ones goes. If I were him, you know, I'd be pretty happy with my performance. Marshall, I want to get your thoughts. I sort of feel like with the Republican interruptions, etc. Biden really led with

this message of like bipartisanship and unity. He made a long show at the beginning of congratulations to Kevin McCarthy, Congratulations to Mitch McConnell, we're going to work together. We did work together in the past, so he wanted this message of like, I'm the guy who's here to work with anybody. We've gotten some things done together, et cetera. And so it certainly serves Marjorie Taylor, Greens and whoever else is interest to get their little viral moments for

their Republican based fundraising. But I also do feel like that sort of plays into Biden's hands as well, when he's trying to portray himself as the grown up in the room and the one that's serious about actually reaching

out and getting things done. Yeah, that's It's what we're talking about the start of the real, you know, live show here, which is that voters like hearing that you know you could you could Obviously, I think I think it's important to separate the like annoying DC version of like, oh, back in the eighties, everything was super Jaill and everyone was best friends, the Gipper and Tip O'Neal like that,

you know, you know, the Joe Scarborough thing. But at a baseline level, the centerpiece of American politics right now is what like suburban moderate voters think and they want to hear that Marjorie Hyler Green's district may be interested in her doing that performance, but no one else is. And that's a real misjudgment that could be effective in twenty twenty four. Yeah, exactly. I mean, look, let's step back.

What did we say at the top, or at least for what I said, I said, the balance is economy. Lead yourself, try to gaslight a little bit about oh, everything's great, you know all of that. At the same time, you're like, I'm a bulwark again. So what did he lead with? He goes, here's all the things I've done, goes straight into the bulwark against Medicare, social Security, I will veto And what does the end on? He ends

exactly on stop the steal. Now, look saying the pop Folosi attack at any to do anything to do with quote the big lie and not schizophrenia is ridiculous. However, politically savvy move, I think people say so right, Yeah, so it's like one of those where it wasn't you know, you tie those two things together and you know it's savvy. I think in that regard, you end on the democracy

thing that really kept people there. So look, I think he hit all the notes, it clocked in it and around an hour fifteen minutes, as state of the unions go, that's pretty average. I mean overall, again, I just come back to him like effective job. I really think so. So one of the things I had, I jotted down a bunch of this stuff that I thought was most interesting.

One of my favorite lines was he was talking about the fifteen percent minimum tax rate for corporations worth over a billion dollars and he says they have to pay a minimum fifteen percent and then he said like kind of casually and flippantly, God love them. Yeah, and that got a decent laugh, and you know, I was chuckling here. I thought that was a good line. I noticed early on. One of the very first lines was like we've created

twelve million jobs. And then ah, everybody starts clapping, and Kevin McCarthy sitting there like, yeah, I will not clap at twelve million new jobs. It's like, dude, this is one of the ones that it's like you have to do it just to look like you're saying and then like you were pointing out the Social Security and Medicare moment there. What I was getting really annoyed by is like just own it. It is a lot of the

Republican's position too, that they want to cut it. They might soften the language to try to blunt the effect by saying no, we're just trying to reform it or save it, but functionally they want to cut it. And when he says that's what they want to do, and they're like boo boo boo, it strikes me as so disingenuous, like just say, yes, this is our position, and we would like to debate that on the merits, and we would like to defend the position of cutting sold security.

They get so weasily about it, and that's what was driving me crazy. I was screaming about it here in the studio when we were watching it. So the thing that he's referring to specifically when he talks about like sunsetting these provisions was what Senator Rick Scott, who was in charge of the Republican senatorial right campaigns this time around, so not like an instant significant player, it was part of the plan that he put out. And this was Mitch McConnell was basically like, shut the f up, we

don't want to talk about that. We're trying to run on nothing. Here and just like bash the mon inflation. So this is not without basis. And you've had other Republicans also talking about the dead ceiling, talking about cuts to entitlements. You have had some others who say, no, no, we don't want to do that. Donald Trump obviously said like,

this is off the table. But what's sort of more interesting to me is I feel like in previous eras in the Mitt Romney Paul Ryan era, they were much more comfortable owning the fact that they really wanted to cut Social Security in Medicare. Like if Obama had said that at a State of the Union, they would have been like, yes, we do, and here's our plan, and here's Paul Ryan with the PowerPoint of how he's going

to do it. And so I mean, this is another way that even though you still have a lot of the same ideology, even though many of them still are committed to it would like to cut Social Security and Medicare, et cetera, et cetera, the fact that they're offended that this is suggested about them, that they want to cut these programs represents a pretty remarkable shift in terms of the Republican Party and what they want to publicly put forward.

What do you think of that, Marshall. Yeah, and that's a great way to put it in Crystal, I mean the core thing as you guys particularly, and this really reminds me of the defund the police debate in terms of like how you could identify our vulnerable area. So think of defund back in twenty twenty. There were some Democrats who were very defund. There are plenty of modern Democrats who weren't vulnerable. You can take the more extreme position as the party's trying to figure it out, and

that's as an attack point. That's basically what's happening or social security Back in the two thousands, I think of when George W. Bush tried to reform slash cut, slash privatize social Security after one re election in two thousand and five. Like back then, the party consensus was that this is what we do. We fight against the new deal.

We're fighting against the great society that's our party. After the social security privatization failed, after Paul Ryan flopped as a VP, and then after Trump then ran in favor of social security and in favor of Medicare Medicare also when need to add the failure of the repeal Oh Obamacare, Republicans genuinely don't know what to think. I think as you see. And the thing that's funny, Kyle, I get your point, need to have a fair debate, and I

agree with you most of the time. But like JD. Vans, for example, Jad Dance like, actually wouldn't be in favor of cutting Social Security. He came out. I don't think he's the I don't think he's the best from I

don't think he's the majority of the party. But especially with younger Republicans who are basically grown up in an America that's accepted the New Deal, but it's accepted social Security, it's actually not quite clear what the actual position is, which is why it's perfect for Joe Biden to attack in that direction. I completely agree with that characters. The defund is exactly right right, which is one of those they're like, no, no, no, what we want to do

is raise the retirement age. It's like, well, okay, well you know you're still when you're already within that heuristic, It's like, it's not going to be good for you. Just so people know, cutting Social Security and Medicare is probably up there with defund the police and affirmative action as the least popular things that you could actually try and do in politics. Hence why he beats him over the head with the club with it, which is exactly what I would do. I was surprised that he didn't

have been mentioned abortion more speech. My count was a single line. It came let's say like two thirds or so into that. I was pretty shocked by that. Actually, that's something I would have led with if I was president. So I just want to say, look, I hope I'm wrong, But we just saw with this whole fight with getting Kevin MacArthur to be speaker, there was a whole fight, and there was a right flank that was pushing back against him. And one of the things they settled on

is we're going to have a debt ceiling showdown. And our whole position in the debt ceiling showdown is we want to force cuts to Social Security and Medicare. So I think the overwhelming majority of the party is going to be on board with that. Now, whether or not, you know, I hope Biden is telling the truth when he's like, I'm not going to do some sort of grand bargain. I'm not going to cut it at all. But I think the predominant position in the Republican Party

is let's cut it. Well, I'm not so sure because remember that's only seventeen people, right who tried to extract that. Those are like the Tea Party of Freedom, caccus diehards. What the look the majority? I genuinely have no idea. I do not know. If you were to ask me my gut feeling, I think most of them would say what I said, something around like they want to raise the retirement age, but of course we don't. But that's

that's a cover. Yeah, I agree with you. What I'm saying is like, that is what I think most of them. They don't. They don't want their position to be characterized as cuttings. That's different. That's the line, right, But that is even just them not wanting their position to be

characterized that way is very different. And of course the fact that I mean Joe Biden was part of the Obama administration that actually put a deal on the table that would have cut Social Security and now clear and he you know, over the course of his career a number of times talked about cutting Social Security. So it does show you the way that the politics around this

issue have clearly shifted. Now. One thing I think that's really important to say is that in terms of the big money institutions within the Republican Party, like the think tanks and you know, the coke industry of the Coke Network, they still are very much looking for every opportunity they can possibly find to cut these programs, and that matters a lot. I think they want to have their cake

and eat it too. They want to like piss on people and say it's raining, so they want to do the dead ceiling thing, force the customing go oh, we're not we're just performing it. We're saving it. So that's that's what they've that's their game. That's what their game has been for a long time. So I think that's the goal. It's not like they're actually becoming more moderate on it because they're afraid to acknowledge what their actual position.

They recognize how toxic and terrible the politics are for them. They recognize that they cannot be out and out being like, yes, we want to cut social Security because they have realized that that is devastating for them. I want to pick up saga on what you were saying, because that was something I noted too. You know, in advance, you were

saying like, okay, here's the formula. Yes, economics, but clearly the stop the steal stuff in January sixth and abortion, like that's what won the midterm, So he's going to lean into that. He really didn't both. He closed with democracy. He closed with January sixth, Paul Pelosi with abortion was also in the latter part of the speech, but the part that really counts in terms of what they're you know, focused on and what the message they want to take away.

It really was loaded up with economics, and I was also surprised that you had very little mention of abortion ultimately in this speech. I mean, the two themes that he leaned into very heavily to start with was this idea of like, I'm the guy who can work with anyone, bipartisanship, let's get things done for the American people, and then laying out the case of what he thinks he's delivered

and what he still wants to do now. One challenge for him is the fact that we were looking at a poll before the speech, very few people say they feel like they've been impacted by the Biden agenda. So you know, whereas I think if you're over selling the economy and the rosy picture of the economy, you're going to have a hard time. There probably is some benefit you can get just from selling here's the things we did, and going down the list and trying to persuade people

that know, actually we have been doing some stuff. What do you think, Marshall, Yeah, I think it's I just want to go back to a quick thing you said about the lack of focus on the abortion and the democracy thing, Like maybe I think this kind of goes to my early comment about how I'd be curious about Joe Biden's like political analysis here, and it seems to be the political analysis is that you need to move on from twenty twenty two, like you're going to reach

those heights, you're going to be successful that midterm. But maybe that's just not going to be successful running on that retread when it comes to twenty twenty three, Like there could be an instinct of like, man, we're going to still like you're still talking about that, it's not

up for grabs as much. So Yeah, I'm really I'm really curious how the right responds to the economic stuff, especially soccer to your point about how Biden and Team Biden are clearly taking the like made in America compete with China bit that Trump added. So that, especially given the I think attempt to bring things back to the culture wars, is going to be interesting ship there. Yeah. I already know what they're going to do. They're gonna

go culture war. They're going to criticize them on the border, and they're just not going to talk about econ because that's out going anyway. Kyle, let's get our last thoughts from you before we bring in and Ryan and Emly. Sure. Yeah. So I wanted to point out the fentanyl line from Biden. So he's over there talking about fentanyl and you have Marjorie Taylor Green and others start screaming at him. And I heard somebody say China, yes, and then somebody say

like it's your fault or something like that. To be fair, the vast majority of the fentanyl comes from China. Okay, I know I understand that, but I always get super triggered over this because I feel like the approach from many people is just brain dead. Because Chris and I have talked about this about thirty thousand people a year die from overdoses. When it was the pain pills. Then we cracked down on the pain pills with all the good intentions in the world, and then people went to

the black market and they got heroin. Some of that heroin was laced with fentanyl, and now we have about one hundred thousand people dying every year. So it's this like the tyranny of good intentions in a sense, because if I were to tell somebody like Marjorie Taylor Green, like, hey man, we need to legalize, tax and regulate drugs in order to get past this whole fentanyl crisis, should be like, you're insane. That would add to the problem. Well,

I mean, I think that's a fair point. I think it's also a fair point to say, like, there is a lot of fentanyl coming across the border, and from what I've seen, they've said that actually, if you did at least have some more enforcement that was happening there, it would make it much harder and raise the price, which would increase actually the amount of pure heroin. Now I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing. What I'm

saying is it's complicated. I also would remind you we have to talk about what's in the realm of the possible and in that what was it in the polling data that we had there, which which one is that if we have that element, is that a three? Can we go ahead and put that up there on the screen. Pre research, I think cracking down on illegal drugs was at like fifty seven percent, So I mean, the public is just not there whenever it comes to now I

understand that like legalizing there it is. Reducing the availability of illegal drugs is right there at fifty three percent. Biden also doesn't get credit though, when he'd a lot of Biden gets a lot of shots from his left on the border because he's continued a lot of the Trump policies on the border. So he does a lot of the things Trump has done. And it's not like anybody on the right goes, hey, we agree with you on this one fella, like he's not doing it. They

act like he's in favor of open borders or something. Well, you're talking about migrants and tv Fair's administration has tried to end majority of those policies in court, and it's only after they weren't able to end those administration policies in court that they ended up keeping well, they not only kept him, they expanded them well, then the court then they also there has been a fentanyl seizures at the border. There's been a number of there's been some.

I mean, he's like not trying to see. My point is, Look, we can keep going round and round in circles trying to do the same policy that's not working, or we can do the actual solution. But she's not interested in a real solution. She's interested in yelling at Biden in the middle of a speech when he's talking about a very serious issue like fentomyl I don't they need and needs to get serious on it? Two. I don't think anyone on this stream has claimed Marjorie is interested in

and neither is there. We perhaps can can close this out with a something that will unify us in the spirit of what Joe Biden wanted to bring, which is both Kirsten Cinema and Marjorie Taylor Green apparently dressed like it was the Hunger Kid. Yes, what is going on? Wearing some yellow, big bird ass looking thing. People will have all kinds of memes and Marjorie Taylor Green and some white fur she looks like from lying lying the Witch in the wardrobe. I mean, look, I'm gonna break

my cursing thing. This is driving me insane. What the fuck is going on? Like Kirston Cinema literally is dressing like she's going to the goddamn met Gala after presiding over the Senate in a T shirt with a heart on it. She is solely responsible for breaking a lot of female dress code that is there. And I blame her for Marjorie looking like she's literally in the Hunger Games, lying the witch, and there I am losing my goddamn mind over here, march over the collapse of dress code.

Go ahead, Marshall, if we're gonna, if we're gonna, if we're gonna rank, I think we have to say, George Santos orange tie isn't great. I think Marjorie, I think margin. We'll let me put it this way. I think Marjorie's more compelled. Kirsten Cinema is work this way. Like if Marjorie showed up in yoga pants and a T shirt and you met at a coffee shop, she would still like have like a lot of like main character energy

to her. I really think Kirsten cinema is someone who accessorizes to make up for the fact that she's just like so very I think that's insightful. Commentsar. Okay, everybody stick with us. Just give us five minutes. We're gonna switch the chairs out. We're gonna have Ryan and Emily in here. Thank you all so much for support control room. Let's throw the graphic up there and we'll start Michael Kyle. Guys had a fantastic job. Thanks for listening. Okay, we're back.

Thank you everybody for sticking with us. Look at that wide shot. We got Ryan and Emily here, We got counterpoints, which is in the the house. If this were any other time, we would be doing a little bit of camera adjustment. But this is what looks like when it's live. When we have a brand new, beautiful studio that you premium subs are helping us with, it will be different, we promise. Okay, so people have heard us talk a little bit. Now, Ryan Emily watch a speech with us.

What do you guys think? Bryan, you go first, all right. I mean, the thing that's most important to me about this is that it is the launch of his presidential campaign. So you're really not going to make a whole lot of policy, and you're not going to make a lot of you're not going to move the needle on public opinion and really on the ground or in the room. Except for that Medicare thing and Medicare and security thing, which was absolutely remarkable. We want to talk more about

that in a minute. But if this is what he's going to run on, this is kind of exciting, Like this is this is a party that like working people could get behind. I mean, what did he talk about. He talked about, you know, supporting organized labor, past the pro Act, go after big pharma. We're going to address climate change. So we're going to you know, cap insulin prices, you know, Medicare, billionaire attacks, We're going to bust up

monopolies and all the different fees. I'm going to a resort and it's not even a resort, and I'm playing a result fee. But you know that very personal friend's house that was clearly personally and his friends charged him a resort fee. But so so you Yeah, and he's going for the identity theft and some funny stuff like that, like somebody people are getting to him. Yeah, But in general,

it's that's a platform that people could get behind. It's it's strange, It was a lot of Matt Stoller was very excited in this because he's talking about anti trust. What was it first present? The first presence, it's nineteen seventy nine. To mention anti trust, you're talking about industrial policy, you're talking about making things in America, making things in America. And then you know, I mean, I'm not big on this whole squishy like bipartisan comedy whatever, but there are

a lot of people who are really into that. That's a very normy sentiment of like, why can't we all just come together and get some things done? What I said earlier, Emily, and I want to get your thoughts on the whole thing, though, is I think the fact that you had this sort of ugly raucousness from the Republicans in there really did kind of play into Biden's hands of looking like the grown up in the room. He looked in control too. He was almost like engaging

with the cloud. He let them finish. He wasn't and he wasn't heckling them back. He let them finish. So I think optically that's one hundred percent correct. That did not work in the way that let's say Marjorie Taylor Green or whomever else was involved, and it wanted it to work. That said to Ryan's point, and actually Kyle made this point too. He gave a speech that was so front loaded on economics, and that's really smart. If you were Biden's speechwriters, you should be really happy with

how this turned out. He's sort of checking down, going through the laundry list and flashing out actually not just listing off, but fleshing out things like infrastructure, things like the Chips Act. Now to the bipartisanship point, I think that's a fascinating point because it works with people until the country stops working. Because he had a line earlier where he talked about basically decades of hollowing out the middle class. Who was in the Senate, who was the

senator for MasterCard with identity theft. Yes, I brought that up, middle class. I mean, it's just like, so that's a real problem for Biden, and I think he has never had a real answer to confronting it head on politically. But tacking in that direction, it's not just good news for Democrats, it's good news for the country that Republicans at least optically, were so vehemently offended by what Joe Biden said with social security medicaaracters. They said, Kevin McCarthy

gave his whole speech last night. It's off the table. It's off the table. That's good news for the country because it tells you where the Overton window is. You know what's funny, I'm monitoring the professional press corps. What are they all talking about decorum in the House. I'm like, who cares about the decorum? Like, look, I'm not saying it isn't a thing, but social security, people, medicare, that is that is going to define the next couple of

months of our politics. It's driving me nuts. And like that was the first thing I zeroed in on. I was like, man, that's a big moment. That is going to be every ad, the Biden ad, the launch. I'm the one who protected it. I will veto the Bill crystals picking up on the fact that Republicans are not willing to go there yet. This also puts Trump on the back foot where he's like, no, they're lying that we don't want to cut those security but he doesn't

have a unified coalition. I'm like, this is it. This is the whole ballgame, Ryan, So what else do you want to dig into on yeah and yeah? For decades on the left, there's been this internal argument, do you work within the Democratic Party to try to make the Democratic Party a better thing? Or do you work outside at you start a third party and try to pressure

them from there. As the working class is kind of being divided by between the two parties here, a kind of new answer is emerging, which is that you actually work within both parties. And Joe Biden did that tonight, Like I've never seen a speech like that kind of change the negotiating table, change the game in the way it did before this speech. Republicans had their game plan for when it came to the debt ceiling crisis. You know,

they're going to hold it hostage. They're going to force behind the table or get some cuts, and then they're going to agree to it the same way that they jammed Biden up ten years ago. They come out of this speech with nothing left, right, Like, so what do they? Okay? Well, now what are you going to do? You're not cutting military spending because you're Republicans. Now, you can't cut solid security and medicare because you just told the whole country that he's a liar and that you would never do

such a thing. So you're left with the EPA, and like Noah and the BLM, they can cut BLM and tell their base that it's Black Lives matter, and actually they can trim the Bureau of Land Management. Yeah, I was gonna say alone, understand he's going to fly back for that meeting and defend his budget. Well, I do to your point, because they obviously took great umbrage at

the suggestion that they wanted to Medicaid. They want to save it, they will strengthen it, right, But I mean the numbers just don't work out, Like the math just doesn't work out. If you're like, I want to slash the budget by this huge amount, right, which they do in which they've said publicly, But I don't want to touch those security Medican like it just literally doesn't or the Pentagon, if we put those together, it's not going

to work out for you. And so that's why it is a fair hit to say to them, like, no, you want to hold the debt sealing hostage, you want to cut these programs. You have a track record of wanting to cut these programs center Rex Scott said, you want to cut these programs, and it was pretty remarkable to see how much they freaked out about that. And a good sign though, again because this is post Paul Ryan politics and Republicans have realized, I mean, you can

cut the entire Pentagon. This is per Brian Ridle at the Manhattan Institute. You could literally get rid of the Department of Defense, and you can't balance the entitlement balance sheet in the way that Republicans say that they want to. And there's a reckoning with that on the right right now. That doesn't mean that Mitch McConnell wouldn't love to get his hands on and strengthen Social Security in money of it,

but I think it's at least sort of becoming. And again I think this is good for the American people. You have JD. Vance, Donald Trump coming out and saying the same thing and setting the tone. You have Russ Vote, who's hugely influential in the New Right and Republican politics. His entire plan to balance the budget he was omb under Trump is don't touch those Security and Medicaid you can get rid of. To the point that you guys are making all of the woke policies and you don't

have to. You can balance the budget in ten years without touching anything else. And just the fact that the wheels are in motion on that tells you that Republicans are like, no, we literally cannot even whisper a word about it, and if it comes out of your mouth, we are putting you in the corner. That's a really interesting point. We got Marshall and Kyle's reaction. I was

curious for your guys reaction. So right now Sarah Huckabe Sanders is giving her Rebuttal, I don't know who's watching it, but we have an excerpt, and I think the excerpt is important more so, and what's not in it and what is in it and what the case of what the potential Republican pushback against this is going to be. I'll just read this again. And the radical lefts America, Washington taxes you and relights your hard earned money on fire.

You get crushed with high gas prices, empty grocery shells. Our children are taught to hate one another on account of their race, but not to love one another or a great country. And while you reap the consequences of your failure. The Biden administration seems more interested in wolk fantasies than the hard reality that Americans face every day. Most Americans simply want to live their lives in freedom

and peace. We are under attack in a left wing culture war that we didn't start and we never wanted to fight. Emily, what did you think of the strategy there to really go hard at the culture war? To be fair, she didn't actually watch the speech before she really said excerpt so clearly. But I mean that's kind of how all these things work. You get a predetermined little fact sheet and all that. What do you think

of that strategy? That's a really good study in contrasts, I think because she expects Biden to come out, which is wrong. I mean, it's a good example of how Republicans are disconnected from the Biden that they're actually fighting as opposed to the straw man. And then it's not to say that Biden isn't doing stuff in the culture war.

Of course, he is sort of bureaucratically in the executive that's in the ZOJ right, it's not a national name, right, and the Education Department and all these things that people aren't necessarily able to follow on a single day to day basis, but that Sarah Hackeby Sanders comes out anticipating a Biden culture war speeds speech, and what she gets is something like what Stolar points out, the first president to champion an anti trust reformist State of the Union

since nineteen seventy nine. I haven't seen the full Sarah Hockeby Sanders speech yet, but man, is that going to miss the mark if Biden is out there talking about increasing manufacturing, increasing jobs, increasing decreasing unemployment in all of these economic metrics. She said the choices between normal and were crazy. This is a quote I just saw from Twitter. Republicans punching at a culture war straw Man is not

giving people that choice very clearly. She's saying, yeah, right, but that's their problem because Biden is the one that comes off as normal. This is yeah, that's right. And that's why that's Biden's strength is in some ways his weakness. He's this like centrist old white man and it's just not gonna land. You're just not gonna call him a radical Wolkester, and it's that have it stick. Yeah, Then Jesse was like Jesse Waters or somebody said, people just

don't hate Joe Biden. Yeah, true, it's something. So on the other hand, let's go ahead and put what is this be three guys that we could put up on the screen. Here from the Washington Post, where you have the latest post ABC poll, which had a lot of bad numbers for Joe Biden, says more than six and ten say the president has not accomplished much, despite they say the passage of numerous bills, which is true. Sixty two percent of Americans say Biden has accomplished not very

much or little or nothing during his presidency. Only thirty six percent say is accomplish a great deal or a good amount. His approval rating is low. We shared a poll earlier that has him losing to Donald Trump. Of course, a lot of polls out there too, having losen to Ron DeSantis. If DeSantis ends up being the nominee, you have a majority of Democrats, Ryan, who say we don't

want this guy to run again. We want someone else. So, even as you know, I listened to that speech, and there's a lot in there that you know, I respond to. I think it's a good case he makes about what he's done, about what he might do going forward, laying out industrial policy, anti trust, pro labor, et cetera. But there's a lot of signs American people aren't really feeling that right now. The flip side of nobody hating Joe Biden is that nobody really likes him right either. He's

just he's just kind of he exists. Percent of people they were exciting the cast of Nicole Wallace a low rating, not even a good one, if there is such a thing. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know nobody. So, yeah, nobody's excited about him. But that's not that's not that's not how you govern anymore in America, and it's not necessarily how

you win elections. Yeah, Like Hillary Clinton's problem was nobody was she had She had this small group that was really excited about her, but in general people weren't excited about it. I just qualified and most qualified, et cetera.

But people intensely disliked her on the other side, and it became a contest you remember, in the polling at the very end of who was the least disliked by the American public, And Biden ended up beating Trump four years later because he was less disliked than Trump was. That's a good point. Yeah, with Trump, he has very high favorables and very high unfavorable so nobody feels ambivalent to right, whereas which everyone's ambivalent to Bid. Yeah, everyone is.

Basically he's fine. I mean, only the thing I keep coming back to with Biden and his reelect is I don't know if you remember Ron Klain after Emmanuel Macron won reelection in France, where his approvaler rating was total trash r it was like in the thirties, and he's able to win, and he won pretty easily over Marine La Penn because people really hated her a lot. And so you know, Ron Clay tweets a sound was like, oh interesting, he won reelection with a thirty six percent

approval rating or whatever. I mean, that kind of seems like the path that they are hoping for for Biden. And so that's why you see, you know, not only in the speech he really did front load with what he's done and what he wants to do and where we are, etc. On the economy, but there's also quite a bit in there which obviously Republicans got upset about about the Republican plans and why they were the wrong direction.

So I mean, in some ways, I think his reelect hinges on how much people dislike the Republicans, how extreme they are, and how much they want to avoid going in that direction again, right, And that's why it totally depends on the nominee, and we've seen that show up

in polling. But it's a really important point because I think American politics is lurching towards that reality for the foreseeable future period where you have people with really low approval ratings, maybe even low favorability ratings, that are just able to muster the right, cobble together the right coalition and just scraight past or get to that fifty percent mark or forty nine, whatever it is. And that's the reality I think we're facing in the country that we're

too divided to have. I think, like Ronald Reagan's reelection, you know, where he's just trouncing absolutely everybody that's not gonna happen, or Bill Clinton. I mean, we're just we're not in that world anymore were and so Republicans, I think need to realize that if they want to create this dichotomy of normal versus crazy, they need to figure out how to make that stick. To Joe Biden, they need to not be that and not be crazy. Yeah, yeah, you can't have to do both. You don't do the

Corilla the viill thing and stand up and yell. It's a tough I really don't know how they get their way out of it, because it's like I can make the case on either side, like if I'm Ron DeSantis. Look, okay, let's say try. We had a fun debate at our live show, what happens if Trump and DeSantis both die? But what's more likely let's say Trump's wrong with it was a funny. It was a fun Honestly, it was a fun second so many times. All right, if they

what they both, they both get arrest. My scenario was that they were both on Air Force one and Air Force one crash on the way, they blow up the Chinese balloon floor and the debris takes them both out and Santos arrested for brooming. Santos actually know George Santos killed them both. Okay, so move on. Part of what

we got too much diec from that. Part of what we got from that dialogue was that they need to try and reconcile the craziness of Trump and the energy of that with the fact that they still won six percent of the national popular vote during the midterms, like this can be done. Joe Biden is weak. We have all of the polling data to show that it is Trump and that wing which is dragging them down electorally. However, they hold so much power institutionally go ahead of Yeah, no,

I think that's that's one hundred percent true. And Biden is picking up on this with his own party in a way that Republicans who have seen the culture War sort of path to victory in a Virginia or of Florida. You cannot just translate that to Sarah. How could be standards going all in and having absolutely no answer to Biden's very sort of like Normy aimed square the middle economic speech. That's like a kitchen table, real person speech. You can't just come out swinging with that kind of stuff.

And Biden, for instance, he didn't say much, as you guys pointed out earlier, on abortion. He didn't say much about the border. You didn't say much about LGBTQ issues. He said, we had one mention of of transgender young people, but the bulk of the speech was on the economy on the he didn't even talk about Ukraine that much. It was at the bottom third. Well right, And so the I think Democrats have realized probably picked up on the number from the midterms, which the midterm narrative was

one thing, but it is true. Republicans did have a decent night, not nearly what it was projected to be, but they did okay in the popular vote. So if Democrats see that, they do have a lot of culture war problems, there's just no question about it. You did a great podcast this week, un Deconstructed where you sort of talked through some of this. They do have those issues, but Republicans can't fight them in a way that handicaps themselves going into those battles. Biden doesn't give them a

lot of ammunition. And I'm not aware of a national election that has ever been won on the question of what local schools should be or not teaching. That is our destiny, though, to have presidential elections hinge on who gets to play on the lacrosse across team like that? Will that will be like eventually where where this system

is heading. I don't know if it'll be this one or four years from hour, but it's part of the like the process of just removing more and more decision making away from elections, and but you still have to give people something to fight over. But speaking of not havingything to fight over, it's like the Democratic Party seems like they don't have the civil war that they had

over the last kind of six seven eight years. It's it was basically won by the establishment, with you know, Biden finally beating beating Bernie, but they also absorbed a decent amount of what Bernie was fighting for and so and so that's why you see so much frustration on the outside that Bernie's not fighting more than you know, Bernie's become a big supporter of Joe Biden. Because Bernie, as you know, budget chairman, is writing the reconciliation package.

He's you know, he's he's seeing trillions of dollars of spending go through. You're seeing you know, unemployment knocked down to what three point four percent, lowest and lowest since like nineteen sixty nine, and so you have this. He talked about the nearly four hundred billion dollars in climate spending,

and so he called himself a capitalist. Yeah, they say, yes, yes, right, exactly, so they kind of they kind of ended this civil war by a beating Bernie, but then b bringing in a decent amount of what he was fighting for, just enough to kind of keep them happy together. And because Democrats Democratic voters are so fired up about electability and beating the evil Republicans, you know, they're going to keep putting forward people like Biden probably, whereas Republicans still are,

you know, fired by the by the cultural issues. And because I think they were told that Trump was unelectable, they said, screw it, we don't care. We're electing him anyway. And he got a nominating him anyway. He won. They don't they don't want to hear about electability crap. And yeah, I agree people, and they're not going to want to hear that for a long time ago. Emily, what do you see as the contours of the coming Republican I mean that the Republican Civil War is sort of upon us.

You know, people are kind of choosing their sides and the battle lines are breaking down. But like, is there are there economic issues that are involved in that Republican Civil war? Is it primarily around culture war issues? Clearly, Ronda Santis is positioning himself as like the you know I was during COVID, I was the guy who was open for business. Donald Trump was shuting things down, whether or the facts of that whatever. That's how he's positioning himself.

Is that going to be the key dividing line? How do you see this playing out? So it looks like Nikki Haley is going to announce formally and do a roll out next week, and that's already what I've seen some on the kind of new right talking about is like, what an embarrassment that this is just a tea party ghost who has not updated herself whatsoever. But then the question is what is the substantial difference between Ronda Santis and Nikki Haley? Because with Donald Trump, we know to

some extent that it's just a mixed bag. It's the same thing with this foreign policy. You're going to get some new, some shocking new, and some of the old stuff. It depends on who wins the fight at any given moment, the tug of war at any given moment. But how substantially different is Ron De Santis or Glenn Younkin mister pe Patagonia vest going to be on that issue? And I think that's a really open question, and the primaries are going to be a place where that's sorted out.

Because Republicans do face pressure now after Donald Trump, this is post Paul Ryan era. Not to do things to Social Security and Medicare like this is a huge source of pressure on Republicans. So I think a lot of it will be hashed out in the midterms. I think it's completely up in the air now. I think anybody who says the Republican Party has been, you know, permanently changed for good and turned into the party of the

working class is absolutely wrong. That's not to say there isn't some reason for possible right Stoler talks about that like this is good for everybody. The Republican Party is never going to be a beautiful, wonderful, pure party of the working class. Not going to happen. The Democratic Party

is not going to be either. One might be better than the other, but the Republican Party at least being dragged kicking and screaming to say things like, if we're going to balance the budget, we're not going to do it from stealing and rating from your entitlement funds. That's a good day for everyone. But the question is still open.

I mean, I see that, and I don't because at the end of the day, the McCarthy holdouts also begged and demanded a vote for the freakin' fair tax, which is you know, terrible, terrible regressive, like total tea Party throwback stuff, and the whole contours of the debt sealing fight outside of them just not publicly wanting to be accused of cutting Social Security medicare. This is tea Party two point zero stuff. I mean, this is all tea

Party tactics. Their asks are Tea Party asks. So it's you know, when I look at something like that, I'm like, this is really change, is really different because now that Trump is sort of less clearly in command too, you know, a lot of their talking points and their economic policy has just floated right back to that Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan Era ultimately, and I mean it's Trump himself. This biges accomplishment was a gigantic corporate tax gut that they

all are perfectly happy with. Well and the other thing. You'll definitely have thoughts on this, but anti trust is huge, and I'm actually very curious if Sarahuckeby Sanders had a word about anti trust because Republicans have actually made significant motions. Some of the most powerful anti trust suits have been filed by people like Ken Paxton and Texas and the Trump administration against Google. There's some real meat on the bones. That's like one of the areas where there is actually

truly a realignment. To borrow word from Soccer and Marshall that you can see happening. And what's who is is Ronda Santis, Sarah hackeby Sanders, is Nikki Haley? What are they going to say about that? How would they govern? That's a complete nicky had He's already on record against what was knocking her lane out on it. Now was not the time to rethink cap is what she famously said in her speech. So good luck, Nikki. I'm gonna

enjoy watching you fail. I really will. I could say that as the Indian American who doesn't want to see you be the first one on the stage for all of us. But Ryan, I'm curious here also on the Democratic side. So at the end of the day, you know the laundry list of here's what I want and all this it's not going to happen. This was all just oppositional, So to that extent Biden we were talking about this is the kickoff of his campaign. It seems like it did pretty good job. Like overall, this is

probably as good as you could probably hope for. And he didn't step into any of the pitfalls. I saw that he's on his way to Wisconsin and Florida. In Florida, I'd just be like, give up, mister president. That ship sailed, sir, Wisconsin. That's a smart move. But yeah, like going into those two states in the next couple of days, like this is probably going to be a pretty high point for him, and especially coming off the midterms. Right, there were two

he could have taken. When when Republicans said we're going to hold the debt stealing hostage to force demands, he could have taken the last Joe Biden approach, which was great. You know, we all need to get together. We'll do a commission and Simpson bowls, Simpson balls, will hold hands together. I got Bruce Reid here, he was my staff guy

and he's still in the White House. Yeah, dust the plans off, and yes, like people want to work longer, and Medicare is too generous, and Medicaid you know, you know, people people need to be incentivized to get back to work, like they could have been that Joe Biden, or it could be the Joe Biden that we saw tonight. It was like, who baits them with the Rick Scott plan? Uh, and then he could have baited them with the Kevin McCarthy plans, saying that we're going to strengthen solid security

and medicare. He gets them to call him a liar, and he said, oh wait, we got a lot of converts here. I'm happy. So great, We're not going so so he goes the other direction and says we're not going to go down that path, which means that the bye who came out of the gate with the you know, he said, here's my offer on the American Rescue Plan one point nine trillion dollars, and Susan Collins comes back, She's like, here's our offer five hundred and fifty billion

dollars or six hundred whatever it is. Two hours later, he puts out a statement. He's like, we're doing this alone. We're we're not taking six months like Obama did, and like allowing Susan Collins to just like dictate this to us. That was a shocking moment in like democratic political history when he did that. You know how he's been like conferring with John Meacham and trying to step into the

FDR shoes. And this is like actually reported Access's head repelled right on Biden, like genuinely trying to rescue the soul of the nation and seeing himself as this FDR figure, not like FDR light but like FDR next generation truly.

And he had a line in the speech where he talked about I think it's the Inflation Reduction Act provisions of it not going into effect until January one, So people are just starting to feel the economy heating up, and the economy is heating up in different ways, and that might explain the disconnect between the mood of the country and polling and what Biden sees as a hot

economy or heating up economy. But to that point, is it some of that seeing him slotting himself into that character, this FDR like figure, that has made him say I'm not the old Joe Biden. Screw it, We're not waiting for Susan Collins. But at the same time, he did say Republican friends over and over again in that speech. Notice that I mean this is in particular a real break from the old Joe Biden. Here's the line from the speech. If anyone tries to cut Social Security, I

will stop them. If anyone tries to cut Medicare, I will stop them. I will not allow them to be taken away, not stay, not tomorrow, or not ever. Now he doesn't say, and they're not yesterday, because he's not multiple times for forty years, I tried to cut Social Security. But if you no, not tomorrow, not ever, take a

week future. Yes, So yeah, I mean, listen, I don't want to overseell it because is on the other hand, you know, went ont of his way to like bust the potential rail strike and hand power to the bosses there, like hasn't fought for lifting the minimum wage. You know mentioned the pro act here that fell up the table, didn't really put the screws to mansion and cinema over build back better. And so you know, we were all happy when we got something in the Inflation Reduction Act.

But it's easy to forget how much the actual original vision was trimmed by a lack of willingness to play hardball and willingness to like just accept the rulings of the parliamentarian and things like that. So I don't want to oversell it here, but I do think there are some noteworthy shifts in terms of I mean even just

industrial policy and anti trust. These were like antitrust, I mean, the Obama administration was terrible on anti trust, terrible, allowed some of these gigantic mergers to go through that now people are raging about, right the Ticketmaster being a primary example. And you know so industrial policy was basically a dirty word in both parties for my entire life until now, up until literally I think three years ago. I really when bidenrew. Do you remember when Biden put out what

was it like, Maid in America plan? I praised it on Rising in here. I was like, hey, listen, that's pretty good. I was like, you can say you whatever, you know. I was like, by the way, I was like, Jared, please release the Maiden America thing from the National Security Council, which I know that you held up for two years and then didn't end up passing for literally no reason. So in a lot of ways for Trump, this is

dangerous territory. I mean, Biden is taking the two most singular popular things that he did, which was China and it was made in America. Look at that, you know the way that he talked about China and the speech and then not much, No, he didn't talk about it much. But look he did not say that what seven years ago.

What he was trying to say in that whole switch places which she I speak by niece, is because I used to watch him whenever he was coherent, and he would always talk about he was one of those people. He was so pro engagement with China. He often says this, I'm the only person I've spent more hours with Shishiping than any other Western leader in the world. I've sat there and I've talked with him across the table. That was his big selling point. He was so excited here.

Oh I know. Yeah, Actually there was a lot of business dealings going on. That was Sid's all on air force too. Another story for another day, of which we have covered several times. But the point is is that he has gone from engagement to confrontation. Clearly that is without Trump, that doesn't happen. And he's also now gone completely with Made in America, the full embrace of all that. I do want to know who he is, he goes Many people don't like when I say this, but we're

gonna buy American. I'm like, who is saying that, Like outside of like JP Morgan CEO, who is saying that. I'm like, I like that. Most people like that. Larry Summers, Yeah, okay, got some got some flap in the country class. One last thought and then I want to hear you guys' final thoughts as well. But you know, one thing we talked about going into this, which maybe it shouldn't matter, maybe it should matter. I think it's reasonable for people to have concerns about a man who would be eighty

six by the end of a next term. And so as much as The New York Times was running a story that I know as planned by Biden, aied's about how he's preparing to overcome a stutter in this speech, sort of trying to set the bar low that if it doesn't go well, don't be an asshole. It's because he has a stutter. It's not because he's old. Guys don't say that, but ultimately, you know, I mean, he's still Joe Biden at eighty years old. It's still not

what he used to be. It wasn't like an incredibly masterful oratory, But Ryan, I think, you know, in terms of what he's capable of, this was a pretty well delivered speech, and as Emily was saying, you know, being able to do a little give and take with the audience.

That's not easy to do. So I think also he did himself some favors in terms of persuading people that this is a man who is still capable of conducting the business of the presidency and that we're not all going to be left in the hands of Kambla Harris your god. I think we're also starting to all grade him on a curve relative to what we expect from him. Like, I think he has successfully set the bar really low his public performances. Every time he tried to go off

the teleprompter, off script with a little riff. Yeah, you're almost holding your breath for him. Outside of the Medicare thing, they were all bad, every single one. He starts out by saying, I get to be here because Jill's going to get the game Marwin anyway, So are you talking about the Super Bowl and the Eagles. Yeah, you have Donovan McNabb perform like he should. He should have He should have finished with the go birds at the end,

because he's not winning miss doctor a doctor saying flag. Yes, well on that point, and he did seem to get Tyree Nichols name wrong. It wasn't Oldham Tyler, but it wasn't great sounding like Tyler. Yeah, it wasn't a perfect performance. But I do think that because the bar is so low for him every time he clears it and looks like he can give a normal presidential speech for an hour. Again, because the bar is so low. And part of that, by the way, is because Donald Trump was the preceding president.

That's good, and Donald Trump's State of the Unions tended to be pretty boilerplate and conventional. That wasn't true of the rest of his communications. So Joe Biden being able to just give a speech for an hour, talk about his Republican friends and make America at least sort of be back in the political theater that people are comfortable with, I guess that's a win for him. Yeah, all right, okay, guys, thank you so much for your analysis. I hope everybody

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