98: Frequency Magic w/ Ricky P

Weird things happened in the back yard. Wow, I questioned a lot of things. Yeah, my parents. Uh. The certain things that they did teach us is is to speak up if you don't if you're in your heart, if it doesn't feel like something that you understand, speak up, ask questions. Uh, it doesn't make you an idiot. Um to ask questions

if anything, you're gonna learn something. You might not have to always agree with people, but um, it's always good to hear other people's uh story because music has been a blessing for me to be able to travel the world and be around many of cultures. And the cool thing about culture is like everybody's the same. It's just we got different characters and just different locations. But pretty much we're all essentially trying to figure out this thing called life,

and we're in this weird information era where we're all relearning shit. They're like, wait a second, that wasn't even right, Like I wasn't even like wait, you guys were lying on us the whole time. And to me, I came up in a like my mom's side of a family very religious, so I got that whole, you know, the religion aspect and like my dad's side of the family, Like they're like that really religious. They

all kind of got into a late life. But I've just been around a lot of like that, Like you know what I'm saying, the traditional idea of life, and in Pittsburgh is very just traditional as well. So it's like the the idea of what life is. It's a low ceiling yea. And for me, I have too many fucking questions, Like I just too

many questions. And I'm married to a woman who's all into spirituality. So um, my life has been like flipped upside down in a positive way with my wife because uh, dude, Ryan, she would be in here like stray, y'all have all being here on that synchronicity of just spirituality stuff. And like I'm still getting too it late. But uh, for me, it's it's really a great thing to see somebody else, not one person like your dad. Uh. It's kind of like this guy named Ray Stanford.

It's a joke to being my other engineer producer who I like kind of like mentor prea. We found this guy randomly. He's like a marine biologist, but he's not h he doesn't have a degree, but he's like he's I'm raised they ever, plain and simple, no PhD. And it's like he

does his own thing and he does it because he wants to. And it's like I feel like your dad is like similar to that, Like he has he has like no gain for this, like he just naturally likes this, and it's like he's just informing people and they the persuasion of falsity put on people's heads. That is like I can see how your dad's is that scares people. But if you're really looking at spirituality and science, it's on the same stick, just like this joy. It's like here's God, here's fucking

like science. And we're like if we're talking about the spirit, that's Adams like you know what I'm saying and I do. Hey, quick quick question. Um, you've been spent some heat? Are you okay? If we keep the last few minutes and we just like R started, I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you. You don't need an introduction for me? How would you like to for those who are tuning into our show right now and they're not aware of you, what's like, how would you introduce yourself?

And then we can pick back up on some game that you've been spitting so if I would do how every interview always introduced my name, Ricky Peter One and only the man in amer can't even clone me, you know, saying see, I'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I am an audio engineer, producer, writer, artist. I'm part of Taylor Gang, most assigned the Sony BMG. I made most of my uh acclamations were working with Whiz Khalifa.

Shout out my boy Wiz. He was the one who gave me like my first real um doing this thing called music and at a professional level. And I am now a dad that I like Avid first, so that all that shit is cool. But the day that I became a father is whenever

like the most achieved things I've ever done. Even though I am five I'm Grammy nominated Diamond, tell them, tell him five times Grammy nominated Diamond Engineer, tell them and through the graces of God's spirituality of whatever you want to call it, because I'm not I'm not uh you know, I don't chastise

anybody. But through the graziness of the Higher Power, I'm here and through the beauty of music, I'm able to be here in the bled So said, so, being that I met through a fit similar friend of ours Tom. Shout out Tom Barber, Tom Barber, my guy, and we are now here about to talk all this shit because most people just think it's stream pot Like. No, actually super into what you guys are doing, shout out bled So said, so for having me, You're the man. I'm

just geeked up right now. I feel like I'm like, wait, am I supposed to act? Like? Right now? You have yourself? Man, you be yourself. I have a I have I have a question. Um, So, as far as you mentioned that you grew up with like a religious like kind of you know, background and that kind of stuff,

that's something that Ryan and I can both relate to for sure. Um, do you feel like that started to change or evolve or whatever you would call it after you started traveling the world or was that more when you also mentioned your wife? Was it more when you you met your wife? I say, uh, from childhood too, like teenage years, I always kind of questioned a lot of things, especially with um, like religion and just because all right, so I'm a firm believer in you need faith in something.

If not you're gonna be blinded and you're gonna live a very aimless life, no purpose. And uh, I just grew up. I grew up around like those really religious folks, like the people that are in church, like not just going to church, they're part of the church then whatever, like positions that they fucking hold and shit. And I just grew up around a lot of judgmental people. And um, we come from humble beginnings, you know what I'm saying. Uh, most of my family lives either party line

or like you know what I'm saying below. So it's like what we're We're seeing these people with so much like hope and all this stuff, and it's just like man, we're all living in this and it's like nothing really going on. Uh It's like how can you not question? You know what I'm saying, Like people who have so much faith in something that you know, you could speak about it, you can't touch about it, but you you're seeing the lack of physical evidence of what they're saying is right and how they're

living is right, and how anybody else is living is wrong. It's like how are they wrong if they're in a better position, you know? And I was always in like my parents, like they like, Pittsburgh's a crazy city. It's predominantly white. And if you know about the history of Pennsylvania, the border of Pennsylvania's the Mason Dixon line. That's the thirteen original states.

So you're dealing with top tier neutral slate like like racism, Like you know what I'm saying, Like if we're talking, like you could drive forty five minutes down the road from where I'm at and you're gonna see Confederate flags and they're gonna be questioning why I'm around. Pennsylvania has the highest like per capita of like KKK members and shit like that. So you're dealing with a

lot of rate like traditional weird racism. And whenever I say that, if you don't understand, like say, even gospel, we got that from the poor whites from you know what I'm saying, that we're running the actual slate plantations. You know what I'm saying, Like we didn't we learned the Bible from these people. We weren't learning it from the plantation owners, were learning it from the poor whites that came from the Lower Port of England. And

so with that, like religious and like that traditional. But I just never understood how people can live in this quote unquote higher of faith but yet very

judgmental, very like living negative. Yeah, and uh, the whole the whole premise of you know, most major religions, and you know, Christianity is the primary in uh, you know in America, but especially in Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, stuff like that, and it's you know, it's all about like love thy neighbor and like we're all created equal and all, but it

doesn't show in real life. Yea, it's like in Pittsburgh, that's how a lot of the red lining was, and like where areas where So it's like my parents like we're I was grew up in an all black area for like the talk about like five or six, and then our parents like kind

of put their little money together. This is whenever like ninety five, whenever credit was just not even a full thing where because you know, credit didn't come around until nineteen ninety four, wasn't a full thing until nineteen ninety six.

My parents put us in an area where it went from all black to all white, and so I got introduced to a lot of different things, a lot of different you know, cultures that I was quote unquote you know, triggered in kind of like scared of because my parents in like my parents family, they grew up in segregation like white black like you know what I'm saying, like where you can't go certain places like my dad, like my mom, like they literally had, you know, places where they couldn't go

because they were black. So it's like when we came out to hear it's like, man, oh shit, like these are kind of the people that we were told like to kind of be weary of. You got to walk a certain way so you're not in like intimidating and ship. But it's really it's like not and at certain times. But being that we came out to that area, I was introduced to so many like different types of music.

And whenever I got introduced to that stuff, it was like, you know, I started into like like how I said, I found I know it's not in the clip, but I'm at my parents' house we found my original drum setting bass. But I was playing football and my friend Buddy, his

dad was in a cover rock band. They played like a whole bunch of Leonard Skinner oh much just like Fleetwood Mac and stuff like that, and the bass player would always just like miss the fucking sessions, and he taught me out to play Sweet Home Alabama. From then on, I started going down this wormhole of other music and getting into like other bands like seven Dust and Corn and like, you know, the whole new metal wave was coming around

that time. So I got into this ship and like dude, I got by the time I was like fourteen, I had like almost like a half sleeve my like my family was like calling me like the devil. He didn't whoa like shit, like I'll never forget. Like they all came over and like did this like prayer meeting, like intervention where hitting oil and shit, like we're from the South. We know what you're talking about over here kind

of getting emotional and like they're throwing oil at you. So it's like, oh water and it's just like it's and then mean that's traumatic, you know, it really is, you know. So I always started I started questioning things. I'm like, man, so how is it like that you're trying to tell me I'm living wrong? But like you're over here just straight judging me and you know my body, like you're my family, like you know

where my heart sat and how I was like all this shit. But yeah, just because I'm listening to a certain type of music and i put some ink on my skin. Now all of a sudden, you're you're you're scared. Like it's like, oh my god, he's showing all the signs of like devil working. It's like, no, that's like how is that?

So? So I kind of lived like an early early portion of my life like into like you know, very religious and like you know, um, even until I met my wife, I was like, you know, just like you know what I'm saying, God this, God that, And it's

like I'm still believing a higher power. You know. It doesn't look like the picture that they tell us. I don't think so, right, but um, I believe that's where the information era where we're in now where it's like man, we can actually hear and see other people's testimonies or like their their experiences and their viewpoints like HD Now, so yeah, how how can I be a person who considers themselves trying to learn a lot? Like cutting

that off? So it's like where I'm at now, I'm like, man, I'm open to a lot of things because so just because my wife doesn't believe in God, that doesn't mean she's a bad person or that she's like a fucking sinner, you know what I'm saying, But that if you come from religious household, that's what it is. Yeah, you're you're done. Hell. Yeah you're going to Hell. You're there, Yeah, you're already there. Yeah, Like I couldn't have been around the witch trials. Time's

got Turnham. It's funny, man, because like that experience you had with um, like growing up listening to like so to speak, like bumping into you know, white kids in the white neighborhood and getting like rock and roll, we kind of had like a mirror but opposite experience getting into hip hop as little kids. I can imagine you got in the metal I don't know if you're familiar. Well, of course, of course you're in the music

industry. We're from Fayetteville. We're from Fayettville, which you know there there is a big hip hop scene. There's also a large black population, like in fact, I mean I think it was probably fifty fifty sixty. Yeah that that honestly makes sense. And so yeah, yeah, that was I think the equal and opposite exchange is the perfect way to describe it. You know, I grew up on like classic rock and got into metal at a

young age and all that stuff. But as soon as it was like middle school and high school, oh bro, middle school changed my whole life. I'm not even gonna lie because it was all funk, all like you know, Michael Jackson soul, same b um. And it was like my parents my dad really only listened to certain hip hop like kind of like New York stuff, and my mom was really just like a soul funk old school like Ohio Players, commodorees, Um Roger and zap Uh you know what I'm saying

type. Like, So well I got the middle school, like my older cousins started getting into like U g K three six Mafia. Yeah, like Dark Wrap, which is very like, you know, similar to a lot of like metal. I was as dark, like you know, imagery of

it. So it's like it was kind of like weird because like right as I started getting introduced to like like the down South like kind of like you know what we would consider now trap music, right, yeah, I was getting introduced to classic rock also to um like kind of like the mainstream rock

of like you know, like the chapels and all that shit too. Literally, like I said, I got deep dove right into new metal because Limp Biscuit was like one of my favorites because like they mashed like both sides. I love, like you know what I'm saying, So like the new album's good too. Oh bro Fred Durst, I love that guy. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I find so many Me and Ryan talk about that all the time. How there are glaringly obvious like similarities between metal music and

hip hop music. Yeah, especially like like you're saying, like the more trap side of hip hop music. If you look at the scales, chord progressions, same tempos and the rhythms, bro Ya, the same thing and the emotions for sure, for sure the same thing. Like how you said, it's like the mere thing. It doesn't like it's just you're just switching characters. It's still the same plot. It's just like it's like the movie

Scream and Scare very movie. It gets still the same thing that they turn out differently, but it's still the same thing when you like put it in the pot. So that's whenever it was like you know, for me, that's where you start getting in this stuff, and it's like I started getting even heavier, like from like like I said that new like metal era, so it's like Glympus get corn. Then I started getting to like seven Dust

and because like, dude, you see the black guy. Dude, what because you know they're already looking at me crazy, like you know why you're listening to Pan Terror, you know they're con I was watching ECW. Come on, bro, Like when you're sitting there talking about walk like, come on, he's playing with a rebel flag guitar. It's just like, oh what it's like once again, if you're talking about history, those were the

same white motherfuckers with us. They were just they just got a little money, but they lived the same way, exactly like they looked the same way. Y'all got a job on the thing, but y'all were still just as poor as us. Ye you know. So it's like if you still think about the history, if you think about all that stuff, the shit is still like we're still the same area. It's just you know, we're one's

cooking the chicken thigh, the other one's cooking the chicken breast. It's still Yeah, I wanted to uh, since you talked about like your fascination growing up into metal, and you know, we can get more into the whiz stuff and your your professional background producing. But what I really want to talk about now and show some love is your post hardcore band. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, shout out my boy baby. We got our band fall Forever. It's actually ironically it's the name of the first band.

And like I was like serious and uh that we were literally just post hardcore. We just got out of being like a kind of like a like all of us were in kind of like punk rock bands, kind of like situation, and um, I just heard about because I was in eighth grade. I was in like the stupid ass fucking cover band that we won like

the middle school, like like the eighth grade like Tallet's it Go. And that prompted like these two other dude, Evan Venturella and my boy Josh Clue to like they were kind of getting into like Thursdays and like kind of like you know that kind of like hardcore, and like so I was like, what is this? We started like this, yeah, because like I mean,

Thursday is still technically hardcore. Was in that full Collapse album that is straight hardcore, halotic hardcore, like you know what I'm saying, because like we started getting out of like there's just straight screaming without like just no care because like their screamings were just offsetting. So that's where I feel like the

post hardcore started like growing at that time. But like, uh, the band that we started, we were all like that was like our first series we started, which ironically we're I wasn't seeing Talk the Chelsea Grin Show. We were performing there at Mister Smalls and like we're like, oh, we can do this. But then that when metal core hit and it was like bro, all of us just went to like this metal hall metal bands.

And that's whenever I just started going even crazy. So that first band that was like the original kind of like wave, that's what was like, Uh that that name, it's just it embodies the mood of the music I make whenever I do make that stuff, and uh, that's my first sound because like I was in bands throughout middle school. In high school, I was just playing football and like I came from a black family, none of them understood what the funk I was doing. And in the weird synchronicity of it

all, it's like, you know, I'm seeing Tom there. We were playing shows there and like the homie that I was in the band that was like the my last metal core band, he was there at the show and it was kind of like one of those crazy things and it was like that was Tuesday and the Friday, m my dad at a retirement party and like my dad, my granddad's last two siblings or my aunt Betty and Alt Virginia ninety one and ninety and they came to my last metal core show and they

all talk about it to this day. They will never let it go. Like my real name is Mackenzie said, like, Maxie, you never had time we went down there. You're man, And it's like, yes, I remember when I had my old aunties in there, and there's this just mod fit of just a whole bunch of people screaming face and they just had their like these paper towels in their ears and they're just like just going along with it. I'm just like, bro, this is the wildest ship in

the world. I heard the Pittsburgh accent come out a little bit when they if I called them right, Maxie, do they say did they say YenS? Oh? YenS, what are you up there doing? Okay, hey hey Maxie doing back. He's going to the Giant Eagle. Eagle its eg for sure. Just imagine just taking sawdust and just putting it into somebody these voice box. That is a Picksburgh accent. Like it's just oh, it's a it's a bunch of cheese. It's it's not a good accent. I

want to say, it's it's an entertaining accent for sure. You're just like you understand this, Yeah, exactly. It's like almost like a it's like a northern boom hoower. All right. We don't say sour is sur like it is. That's like a northern sun hower. It's like I said, the Mason Dixon line north and south. So we got a lot of those people that were coming up here that lit in and just you know, it's

a really good place. So it's like, you know, you get a whole bunch of people who don't leave Picksburgh and like it's just a it's a punch of cheese, And like when I get around here, it just comes back up like oh yeah, never leave. But yeah, my post hardcore band fall Forever Our Next said Fault is it fall to Fall? No, No, Fall of Forever, Fault of Forever. Okay, everybody that's listening on Instagram, fall of Forever, Yes, follow us. Um, shout

out my boy baby. He was in um he was in some scream up bands too back in the day, but um he went to the urban world. Uh started, he's started writing for people for like Wayne uh Jay. Yeah, he was signed uh to Young Money for a bit for management. Yeah he uh he's super talented. Brog too, right, Yeah, yep, yep. Shout out Juice he was, Yeah, will my manager Coner Taylor Gang. He is a power play guy, always putting a lot of people in the right position. But um hell, our band was kind of

like one of those things. It's just I've done everything in the urban world that be honest with you, that I put up on there, like goal list, I guess, besides winning a Grammy so platinum, correct me if I'm wrong here, but you know you you did see you again with Wizz and Charlie Pooth. Yeah, I engineered that engineered Um so so for for a dummy like me who's not a producer. What does that specifically mean? You engineered that? So the guy who's the engineer. Um there's a tracking

engineer, which y'all was on that record. Um there's a mixed engineer like or like actually a range engineer who guys just kind of like gets everything right on that ship. Mixed guy or a mastering guy. Um, that's who I was. I was the guy who was recording the vocals. And that was a movie song, So I don't know if you know about like seeing placements and stuff they have, like they submitted to like a million people. Like when we got that, Charlie wasn't on the hook even though he wrote

the hook and did the original reference. Um, we got it. It was like Trey Songs was on the hook and then like Chris Brown was on a version, so it was like Trey Songs out a version, Little Wayne was on the song and somebody else. Like the version that we got. It was like, you know, because that's what movie role stuff is. You just sit there and uh, they give you a little sheet you gotta

sync place to a movie. Well that's right. Yeah, that was part of the fast uh forgive And that was the one where Paul Walker that whenever he passed away for filming that song blew up it was like extreme. It's like probably one of the wildest situations ever. Um, we've been a part of movie songs before and a couple uh like video games with the New Teenage Movie and the Turtle Movie one whenever it came out animated one. I think it was like twenty fourteen that movie or never TMT. Yeah, we did

a song on that one. We did a few other records for Fast Interfurious before too. But so it's like we're like just submitting. Whiz will just do his versus. They always send you like some sheet where like they have like certain keywords and phrases that they want you to like kind of incorporate into your thing, Like you know what I'm saying, Like it's about family, Like see you again was about like remembering somebody, but in a positive manner,

you know what I'm saying. So it's like they kind of keep you to try to like they'll give you a few words trying to throw in there and shit like that. So, um, Whiz, it was like a crazy time for us. We were on the road heavy. Uh. He had a loss in his family. Um, I lost my grandma and like my first cousin within like two weeks and like during that time, so it was like really heavy. And like when we he did his first verse, we were over at Snoop's compound, and um, it was just us.

So it was just me, Snoop, R I P Uncle, June Bug and Uh Snoop's engineer and Uh Snoop's a real good mentor to Whiz and like he's been a mentor to all of us, and it was just one of those days. He wasn't feeling in like Will was wanting to get the verse done, and like he just he mustered it up, wrote the shit down on a piece of paper. We did it, and we submitted it and

like we just kept it moving. And then all of a sudden they're like, yo, we want you to do another verse, which is like very rare for a movie to just tell ask an artist to do another verse. Shout out the Whiz like he he he knew the assignment, you know.

And so when they did that that time, they took everybody else us off and then they put Charlie back on and he submitted the second verse, and then they invited us to the movie uh premier little production no oh okay, to the production place because they got our our our vocals, the session and all that stuff, and then you know these guys are mixing and that doll be fucking from shit. It's like it. Yeah, it's the craziest pro

tools set up you ever seen your fucking life. And uh it was just literally me, whizz Will and uh shout out constants from WMME and we were just over there and they showed us fucking part damn and like they were going like but they were like tweaking the vocals because like they had them redo some shit, like we're like so it can match like what they were trying to do, and like they brought us into like play it for us because like

they respected Whizzes. I guess like, uh, you know a okay with his voice and how everything like you know what I'm saying was going, and bro they played us the scene. You know everybody that this was crying. This is crazy. And then the song just went up and broke records and uh it changed all of our lives. Man, Uh sure changed mind and the trajectory of like a kid from Pittsburgh's a college dropout, didn't go to

audio engineeral school. I went out to California with like two hundred dollars in my name and like you know, couch surf that I slept on a broken foods on couch at Whizes studio house, uh and then figured it out, bro. And so it's like to me, it was like something like you

could do this, bro, Like that's inspiring, that's fucking possible. Like because I didn't have the easy round, I actually had the ugliest round, I feel like, which I will never won any other way, you know what I'm saying, because like it wasn't in my cards, but it was like it's a testament to everybody, like you might not be number one. That's okay, you might not be at in that top tier because we're talking about like the pros, we're talking about the big leagues of music. Not

everybody could get there. We're talking about people who were all you know, all in and to be able to reach those those like heights and stuff from like I said, from somebody from Pittsburgh. Nobody comes and sees us like you know, so it it was like one of those things. It was like, damn, bro, we could fucking do this. And it's like I said, it's change everybody's life. That's amazing man. I said this as a joke earlier. I'm not sure if this made it in the recording,

but I said pressure makes diamonds. It does, But diamond engineer bro had the ugliest route. Work your way up, recording engineer, you could, you could do it. I'm a diamond, uh engineer. I'm a diamond multi platinum fucking producer writer. Um, you know, my first hip hop show was the Upper Smoke Tour, the legendary fucking hip hop show that like toward like Doctor Drakes, fucking Eminem and shit like that Snoop dog and like you know, on pent On Rolling Papers too, I wrote, I

co wrote Snoop Dogg's verse. Whow So it's like when you talk about synchronicity, like, dude, to all the young homies, you could do this shit. It's it's like Wold the ship you see as a kid, like in your head, your imagination from whenever you're a THEATA level thinker, like

it can actually fucking happen. Um, it's just like that you said that thinker, Yes, because you know, unfortunately we only get to about seven due to indoctrination, because by that point you're about in second grade, you have a whole bunch of outside opinion telling you what the fucking world is, literally by a whole bunch of people who don't even know what the world is.

You know, because your life is only made up by people who don't know shit, like my parents, Like you know, like my life is like as a child, like we think about it like your like your life is only made up by people that are no smarter. You don't, I'll clarify, like that are no smarter than you. You know what I'm saying, Like my parents are smart people, but like we have more information than

they do. So it's like I had, like I'm smarter than my parents due to the information and I have likewise, like my son, my son is like eighteen months and this dude is do it all types of show, But did you learn this shit? It's like they get. It's like the coding and it's like when you think about they level thinking, that's what they say you have the highest um imagination. So that's why kids can think of rock it's like a ball or some wild ass shit. It's because of the

energy so um. In order to really be happy in life, you have to find a way back to that and unfortunately we have a lot of things that distract us. And where I'm at my life, I'm I'm healing my childhood trauma, like you know what I'm saying, Like because becoming a parent,

it taught me that, like you have to repair it yourself. There's a lot of things that we as adults, we perpetuate due to like we perpetuate these actions, these feelings, these things because from our theta level thinking we are missing something, like there's some type of trauma that we're missing, something that we're going to always keep going because that was the time whenever,

like you know what I'm saying, nothing, there wasn't a ceiling. It was whenever people started coming down on our worlds telling us what is this and what is what? Then it's like wait a second, like is this how

I feel? Or is this not how I feel? So um yeah, bro, it's like a it's like a wild thing where where I'm at at least, and I feel like that's why I was able to meet people like you, to enter this this energy into my life, like people like Tom, Because if you're not trying to heal yourself, you're only gonna keep That's why we have a whole bunch of narcissists, We have a lot of disassociated parents like that. Like, you know, did you talk about you're talking

about breaking the cycle of generational trauma? Yes, you know what I mean because because easy and it's not color bound either. But you know what, bro, you know what I just read recently that blew my mind. If you do this, which I think you will, I think we're in an age now where a lot of us are going to do it. You know, it's that time. And if you do this, and if you break your generational trauma, for all of recorded history, you will be the ancestor

that saved your bloodline from those curses of trauma. You see what I'm saying. That's why did you say that? Because my wife was like, uh, funny, It's like what do they mean by like keeping the bloodline strong? And I was like, well, certain people were talking about incests, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about but trauma, talking about like I was like to saying, like as a joke, but a yeah

for sure. Trying to say is what we're trying to do is coming together and really trying to make the family better, you know, and that's how break. Like when you break these things, these cycles, It's like, um, I understand where I'm at because like as a parent, I became a parent, I started seeing like my dissociation to certain things, and then I had to go back to like my childhood trauma. It's like, damn, I was a lash key kid. You know what I'm saying. I

don't know if you know what that term is. Yeah, those are the kids whom grew up threw themselves up, Like I had a key to the

house at five years old. Oh okay, because like I came home to an empty house, like you know, your parents, like my parents came up in that era where two household unfortunately bought into the propaganda of separating the household, that like, you know, women are just as equal as us in the workfield bullshit like, which they're just really much trying to attack somebody else in the house and they couldn't tax and they were trying to work to

give us a better life. So it's like they weren't around. So it's like you deal with disassociation, which a lot of the quote unquote narcissis that we have is just really coming from like abusive households. Bro Like there's a lot of trauma from a lot of people because a lot of they weren't focused on the proper things, like it's not always about money, like especially with my son, Like my son could give a fuck about what you buy him.

He cares about love, He kids, about hugs with you. Yes, he wants like he wants you to be present and changing these things. It's like I have to go back to childhood me zero to seven, you know what I'm saying. That's and like when we go to those timelines, you think about what those times for you. It's like that's whenever life was just so like there's no ceiling. And then from that point from seven to about like like puberty, you're over there just emotionally just going through a whirlwind.

And if you don't have emotionally mature parents or emotionally mature family, you're gonna like it's just gonna fray around. And I guess I'm blessed to have music because it's like it brought me to all this shit. And then when I got to my wife, She's opened my eyes to so many things. And when we started this family stuff, man, it was like I went sober for six months, Like me and my lady got married in that six

months. Then it's like we we had like after we got married and we had our son, like we like you know, we're because we're already trying and like it it was like one of those things you had our son afterwards. So it's like, okay, cool, we're doing the steps because my family, It's like, fuck is the right of passage at eighteen? You already have a kid by nothing, redlocker even just like you know, not even trying to start a family out of love, you know what I'm saying.

Because it's not about money. It's not about all this shit, bro Like money, you can get money. I know a lot of rich ass motherfucker's upset for sure. It's because like that's not the real wealth. You know, generational wealth is. You want to know what the new general like I feel is also generational wealth is actually emotionally mature parents. Absolutely absolutely, if you are an emotionally mature parent, you're gonna give your kid the real

building block to go anywhere in life. Doesn't matter what the fuck they want to do. They're gonna have the real confidence. They're gonna have the real motivation to make mistakes and understands there's not consequences to mistakes. It's like you have to make mistakes, you have to learn from them, and like,

you know what I'm saying. Obviously I'm not talking about actual making real bad decisions, but I'm saying that it was like, if you could teach a kid how to be able to regulate their emotion, to be there, be present, then it will be they won't have to have this anxiety and all this extra shit because most of your anxiety comes from the fact that childhood you feels like you weren't protected, right, dude, I can I relate so

much to like literally everything you're saying. You know, I I we grew up well, I mean, like my family, we grew up like you give me some background, Yeah, yeah, let's go. I love to talk about my past, I really do, because I feel, um, like obviously where everybody's on their journey, right, but I feel uh somewhat resolved with the things that happened in my childhood. But you know, we we we grew up like low middle class as well, like like very you

know, it was tight. It was all yes, you might eat, you might eat it leftovers for three days, four days in a row. Oh absolutely, Yeah, for sure. And you know Dad wasn't home a ton because he was just always trying to work. You know, I have I have two siblings, so you know, we were all crammed into this little house. He's just trying to do whatever he can. And you know, in many ways, I respect him so much for just grinding and just providing for us. And and you know, I love I love my dad.

We have a great relationship now. But like what you're saying, the the emotional awareness, the relationship level, all of that stuff was was pretty bad. It was it was pretty tumultuous, and it was passed down to him. You know, I come from a very like hard, tough Greek family. My dad was a command sergeant major for thirty years. Hypermasculinity in my household. I couldn't sit there and think about prying. No. Yeah, it's like yeah, and even and Ryan grew up with a lot of

that too. You know. It's like like, I don't mean to laugh. I have to laugh it out because yeah, you gotta laugh about it. You gotta laugh about it. We laugh about it on this show. Yes, you gotta laugh about it because it's so hard, you know, like it was. I was always covered to my son. I could never make him feel that way, bro, like to just you're breaking, you're

breaking the curse. You're you're breaking, and you know that. That's why you know, there's still pressure on me to this day somewhat from you're a man. We have pressure so much on us, like absolutely we have this outdated rule what we have to be doing, and nobody, at least for me where I'm at my life, I didn't get taught out of be a man. It was like I didn't have those dads sit down like niggas out there were getting having to do what he had to do, and like like

how you said, it was passed down to him. My grandparents were married fifty nine years before my grandma passed. I kind of one hand how many times they maybe said I love you to each other, like you know what I'm saying. So it's like was love or dound like that, And it's like most of my parents don't come from that, Like they come from a lot of like different types of like you know what I'm saying, traumas and like you know background. So it was like brod love in our household was

just like whoa. It was tough. It was tough, loved two boys, and it was just like I can't see time to be a man, but like, ah, shit, so you're just out here doing shit for nothing. I literally had a conversation with my dad maybe three or four days ago. I was over there, um and my cousin drives up with his daughter. He has this beautiful little I think she's like a year and a half, and uh, he just turned to me and he's like, man,

he's such a good dad. He's just such an amazing dad. And my cousin's younger than me, and I said, Dad, you know, our generation, me and my cousin, our generation, we lead with our heart first. That that like, we we saw all of the crazy pressure and all of the crazy you know, the things that our fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers did to themselves to try to quote unquote provide for their family.

And they did find that. You mean, they sat there and gasol at themselves in the ship home, miserable as fuck because like, like they still can't appease everybody, because all people just want is time exactly. That would you think you're trying to give them and do all this ship, but unfortunately they have to gas like themselves and think this is what I have to

do and all that stuff. And it's like, dude, all that one is a fucking hug and like yeah, yeah, like a conversation, you know, it's like, it's crazy because we had to settle for bare minimum. What you're talking about is like you're essentially you're like, yo, you had to deal with the bare minimum of just like getting a roof over your head, close with your bad food and your stomach and um what your yeah, like you're not in present danger, like yoh yeah, And I was

told that. You know, I've been talking and I want to just put this out there. We just recently had my dad on the show. He's undergone an amazing amazing because he, like you, he has a sun thank you, who's like, who's thinking about these things? Like you said, leading with his heart, letting him know like it's okay to be fucking vulnerable Dad. Yeah, matter back. Most of the time when you yelled at me, I just wanted to fucking hug and told him tripping Yeah, conversation

like that too. Hug me and tell me I'm fucking tripping. Yeah. We have conversations like that to this day. I mean, and he still feels all this guilt And I told him. I told him on his episode. I said, Dad, I don't even talk about that stuff with you anymore, because at this point there's no point, like we got a reset. We have to hit the reset button and have good memories, good times

together. I was like, I hope you all hugged it out, and oh absolutely, I just kind of thought about it, but like you almost hit a point when you become an adult, like our age. I mean, we're all similar age. Okay, yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be thirty, so like, yeah, yeah, you guys still so like we hit a point in our age where like, do you guys ever feel like you're kind of parenting your parents? Yes, oh my god,

yes, like emotionally emotionally parenting your parents? Yeah. Emotionally now of course, is you know what I mean. I don't mean like I'm promos for sure. I challenged my parents and it's been through my parenting because how my parent my son is a lead by my wife, shout on my wife, Brooklyn. I love her to life is the great mother. She sounds wonderful the way you speak about her. Yeah, bro, uh you know whenever it's your wife. Oh yeah, I feel the same with mine and then

with his. I never believed in marriage, and nor do I still believe in marriage. But I believe in my wife. Oh wow, brownie points for you, right. I say it all the time. I rear my rings. I have like different types. I wear my rings. What does she do? Like? That's beautiful, but it's for the mere fact, like when I was starting a family and seeing the person who she is, it's like, man like I I chose the right person and h with how

we raise our son, we draw the line in the sand. There's a lot of things out how like because my wife has challenged me so much. Shout out my wife. She's pretty much the main reason why I changed my whole life around, because if it wasn't for her, I'll still be caught up in what we would be and calling the matrix. Um, I would still be stuck in the musician industry life. And uh we she challenged me a lot of things because you know, as men, we often say like

that's how I was raised. Like if like a woman's challenging us, and it's like, man, n, that's how you was raised? But was it right? Yeah? But what are you doing now? Yeah, we're getting that. How are you were raised? Was it right? Oh? You could be like you know, you could come from a certain house sold, but like was that the right teaching for sure? Like you know what

I'm saying how I was handling love? Was that the right way to handle I think most people don't think that, you know what I mean, Like I don't think like, oh, it's not possible. I was raised wrong? You were raised wrong? Right? Well, our parents are ordinary people too, and they can be messed up something exactly swear. So it was like one of those things. She was like challenging that, and I started like looking at things like, man, you know what, No, I

don't like that. And then I started looking at things like how like like my drinking problem that I was having and like I'm two years now, I'm now two years nine months sober and a like party drugs, And she's like that I would be considered California sober because I just smoke weed, eat mushrooms and do DMT. Yeah you're you're you're spiritual spirit. I'm just a spiritual guy now. Yeah. But it's like one of those things was like how

how are we going to be doing these things? Because like I was sixteen, like my drinking habits, and it's like, oh, it comes from your household. All the ships you're talking about raising, Well, I am

a narcissist because I had disassociated parents. I mean, you have disassociated parents, You're gonna have these high expectations and you create imposter syndrome, which came Ricky Pete, you know what I'm saying, Like the whole Like like I wanted to make music, McKenzie was never like like had a safe place, like all my creativity. Wanted to be in bands and do weird shit.

Was never safe. It was always told I was fucking weird and I need to be doing this playing football because I'm strong and I could do all this hyper masculine shit. But it's like, yo, McKenzie really generally wanted to make music, but you don't fuck with that. And then like I got a nickname Rickey Pee, like through like football and being competitive with like the other side of town and like my rest of my family because I come to my cousin with the NFL. So it's like I have a very high athletic

family. Yes, So it's like one of those things. It's like, man, uh, it was like a whole bunch of this ship and it's just like, oh, I could see how I became into this imposter of like running it because I dropped out of college and my parents kicked me out the house. So it's like Ricky Pee. You didn't like Ricky Pete, but Ricky Pee's getting all this respect. He's not here making these moves.

McKenzie can't do this shit because McKenzie, for real, fro just want to go up in his room and play his bass guitar or play his drums and ship on this weird ship did you call him weird? Want to be making metal, but you don't like that, So I have to go over here and do his Rickiepeat shit, you know what I'm saying, Because I could go compete. They'll be hyper masculine in that ship. So it's like it creates this imposter and it's like, man, by the time I met my

wife, I don't even know who the fuck I am. Yeah, that's really most of us do it and It's like, look at any creative, it's an imposter syndrome. Bro, you believe, we end up believing the actual character. And that's why Tony Montana died. He started believing Tony Montana. He forgot about Tony. He forgot about what he originally got into Game four was just to get out of not doing this bullshit. He didn't want to be no plug. He actually had a he was a man with a

cause. But then once he started getting some money, started to believe in this moniker of like Tony Montena. It's like that's how he had his weird twenty four hours of having like you know what I'm saying, falling out what people having his sister try to hit on him and then get hurt back blown

out, and all this ship. He killed a whole bunch of a bunch of wouldn't be assassins just to get his fucking back blown up by shot the ball romantically into his pond that's inside his fucking house like this, because we have disassociated, like you know what I'm saying, like parents, So when I became a parent, I had to start repairing my parents because I'm like, yo, you're not doing this to my son. You're not gonna tell him he can't do something and all this shit. If you're around him,

let him do a shit. My son's very independent because we don't force him to do stuff. Yeah, should you give him respect in that pay not an annex of me. Our parents had us because they wanted to have kids for their fucking look and they're narcissistic. Whatever the fuck they wanted to call a family had nothing to do with us. Because I've met you, any money, most of you would would probably could go back in life. The only thing you would probably change was just asking more of your parents. Yeah.

Yeah, if I could get If if I can go back and get less of what we had and more of my parents, I would do it in heart, fad you know what I'm saying. So it's like with repairing of my parents, it's like yoh, it's like yo, Like there are certain things you gotta start focusing on. This is why you do this, has nothing to do it right now and has everything to do from zero to seven. If you don't heal childhood, you you're just gonna keep perpetuating all

the bullshit. It's gonna be different characters. It's just gonna be different characters, same fucking movie plot, scream and scary movie. It's gonna be and it's really gonna but it's gonna piss you off because it's gonna be. One's the real fucking thriller. This the one that's the box office one, and then the other one's the fucking joke that you're like, fuck, so are you gonna be the king or you're gonna be the jester? And how the

time or the jester thinking trying to become the king? Like you know what I'm saying, But we end up believing the fucking role, and we ended up falling on our face. And it's like if we don't, if we don't sit here and focus on this ship and we're repairing our parents because if not, we're gonna still have these weird self doubts and your kids are gonna

hear that. But my son will deal with none of that ship. My son's thought going to school, he's gonna still he's gonna learn about having activities. He's he's very smart already. He already knows how to do sign language, all types of shit. It's like one of those things. It's like, yo, we don't have to go and like you're gonna you're gonna learn about everything. But he's gonna have activities. He's already into muay Thai. I already shown him how to do like pad drills all this shit. He's

gonna be lying in the lamp. It's not We're not gonna be over here teaching you to be one thing. We're actually learning our son. Like that's that's the whole point. Like me and his my wife created him. We made a plan and we're like, yo, we're getting married, like let's create a family. Like we brought you into this world. You owe me nothing, I owe you everything. Yes, yeah, that's a huge misconception. I feel like parents think like, oh, well I brought you into

this world, you owe me every rethinking you were freaky with mom. I didn't ask to be here. I didn't ask to be born. Dad, you just shot Mom's club up, like we're Mom told me what it was like, shiff you came home do that ass on. Yeah, you couldn't get to the drawer and you know what you's doing and you didn't give a fu. We're just gonna have a baby because like we're just married. That's what we fucking do, like you know, like out of like love,

like oh my god. But it's serious though, like you have to make a joke on because yeah, like yeah, bro, like you're always harping on me, trying to tell me like I brought you this world, I can take you out of it. It's like, dude, yeah, like I didn't ask to be here, Like I didn't ask it. I'm just doing what I can now that I'm here. Like you know, I didn't get a say in this. I had the same exact experience, like you

know, with my my dad. He always wanted He put me in football, he put me in basketball, he put me in baseball, all this stuff, and I his narcissistic Oh yeah up, straight up yeah. I never followed through with any of it. And then around like twelve or thirteen, he was like, well, if you're not gonna do any of this shit, like maybe maybe you'll you know, He's like, go do whatever, And I picked up my grandfather's guitar and it was a rap. After

that, it was music, music, music. Imagine level thinking whenever you're not even thinking about ship and you could have been learning stuff without even thinking at your learning stuff you know what I'm saying. So it's like that's what I'm at where my son is like, oh damn well, if he's interested in this, shiit like how he's interested in Like I take him the shows like I'm part of the music industry, but like you're gonna be in the

studio like third eighty. Who's in the fucking world. Bro. When the first day he got out the hospital, I took him to the fucking studio. He listened to You Are My Sunshine to Augsburger speakers custom Augsburger. You know what I'm saying. It's like one of those things. It's not like a flex, but it's like one of those things. Like he came out in this world to see if like he's a frequency baby. Me and his his mother got into synchronicity, like we like did a whole bunch of shit.

I changed my lifestyle, my eating habits, my people. I drew a lot in the sand for everything, because that's what you're supposed to do for your child. You're supposed to be it's supposed to be your child first, not anybody else or what they think about it. So it's like I want him to be able to be with me, because don't you ever think about it back in a day, like damn, like, what were you doing that? Like you say you're working, Like what were you doing?

Right? We always get the stonewall gas light, like we're no, how's that worked? It was like I was working to provide for my family. Stowall, stoewall, that's a stonewall right there. It's like, well, no, what were you doing? Like, because what about when you came home? It's like, you know, it's what about when you came home? Come home? What're you gonna do? Sit on the counts, turn on the TV, start barking at us, having these unrealistic expectations of us,

because what you're not doing it? And that's where we get these harsh punishments or these harsh consequences or these harsh judgments, because they have this false idea that we're gonna live up some fucking maginary standard. Did They're not even showing us you know what I'm saying. My parents were always about school and all this shit. But were you sitting down studying with me? How many like how many tests did you actually like, you know, like besides asking

me if I have a test. Did you actually like, did there help me study couple cards? Like you know what I'm saying? Were you showing me these things? Like you guys are the ones that with the college and did that shit? I didn't. So I was like, if you're a studious person, how do you expect me to pick up being studios? Yeah? You grew up like me, man, Like I I just want to put this out there. My dad listens to every episode. Dad, I

am so thankful that you were endlessly loving to me as a child. No, this isn't this is just my testiment right right, But my dad actually listen. So I had to say, Dad, we're helping these boys right here. No, like my parents know, like I love them to life, Like I wouldn't choose any other parents, Like you know what I'm saying, because I'm very blessed. Yeah, Like I'm blessed with the parents I have and the things that they did. Now that's my job to educate them

on the things that they weren't doing. And like educating not even what they were doing. It's really educate them on my feelings. Yeah, because uh, as adult me, I just need you to understand just to validate my feelings. I don't need you to like understand me. You just need to let me have these things out here. Yeah, because it's okay that like

there's it's not questioning or uh criticizing your parenting. I'm just over here trying to help you out so you can have a better relationship with my son. I still get trouble for the like in the metal thing. I mean, Nick will tell you, like I still catch pretty heavy because I mean, dude, like, not only do we live in the South, which is the Bible Belt, but then I you know, like if we're talking about like Christianity is being gangs, I grew up in the hardest gang, dude,

I grew up. I grew up in Pentecostal christian Yeah, they're they're different, man. They're always strapping with Bible versus bro and like dude, scripture. So like me, like so, so imagine this Ricky and and we've seen you some of our twice porn music by the way, this this is this is the guitarist and other vo yeah toms and all these crazy picked up my grandfather. Yeah, you picked up as guitar and all of a sudden, it's like shud up, like you know, like that, like

I've been dude. Thanks and and also producer to producer. I also do all the engineering on it as well. Listen and for Fallow Forever, I am the band. Okay, I the whole track on the laptop on the same loud something that we wanted yea, and come up with this shit and engineer mix it. I love it though, Like I love it too. I love engineering. I love being part of the music making things. Like it's wonderful. We are frequency magicians, bro, That's what I was just

gonna say. It's magic. Yes, we don't even touch none of the ship. We touch the tools, but we don't even touch the frequency. Yeah, the power. Yes, And we put it together and then we go put it to somebody else and it makes them feel something. You know what they do. They put some vocals on it, and all of a sudden they add another frequency to that, and then we mold that ship, and then we hand it off to somebody. Then they just start feeling it.

Then they started passing it to their friends, and then all of a sudden, it's a whole room of everybody feeling the same thing without touching nothing. Oh that's so cool. That's so sick. It's a wild thing. Like, yeah, it feels like it is. I don't feel it is. Yeah, that's like, oh, it feels like it feels like some you know, like you don't feel like I know, Dad, you're hearing it. And but it's something I would believe. Jeezus is actually a woman. You know what I'm saying. Oh, oh my god, dude.

But yeah, it seems like we're all from like a similar background, just different characters. Yeah, for sure. It's just no, it's the same movie plot for real. It's just you know, like I said, scream and scary movie. You know, it's funny, man. I just made my wife watch all of the first first the Wayne's Brothers h scary movies, so I guess he didn't didn't make the third one, but just recently watched

them. Dude, they're funnier now than they were back when we were kids, because you know why, everybody's so sensitive now and like the stuff that they were doing back then, you can never do that. Oh yeah. So it's like if you have a like, if you're a person like you who has a broad mind, a broad like acceptance, it's stuff like that is okay where now it's like people watch that like, oh my god,

you even like that. It's like, bro, you all are so uptight like it's it's like it's not even that fucking serious, like we're all propaganda fucking like consumers anyway, bro, like the fuck, but no, that's good. You should put your lady on it that ship. My lady don't know none of those like older movies. She's twenty seven, so she's like, as we talk about this all the time in passing, but I'm dead serious man, when you coming out to North Carolina, uh asap actually probably

because like yeah, like we're we're Me and my wife are nomad's. We're I love la for work. But when it comes to family and like where my wife's at, like my son's out, Like my son's like a nature boy, bro loves to be out and his diaper, running around the grass out on his bare feet and shit like that. It's like, you know, we're just right now roaming around being around family and shit, like we're

down in Florida and we drove up here. Oh shit, oh for next for next time's sake, Um, if you're driving from Florida to Pittsburgh, and you have time and it might be here. No, it might be like next week or so, because when we're like we might we might go on like we did a road trip, like we were like you know, we're about to problem. You know when you think about like having a kid,

bro, like remember like road trips. Yeah, but your family like her, We have like our Xcel Bully, Like he's a big ass fucking on her pal like pit Bull, And it's like, you know, we're all lucked up and like you know what I'm saying, shuv and just driving around getting stacks like we stopped like you know, we took our time getting here, and uh it's just from yeah, my ladies from Canada too. So it's like whenever she came to America, she really just came out to

LA. Was just got deeped over into LA And I'm like then she like this last summer, got to see like Pittsburgh, really loved Pittsburgh. But like you know, ain't I'm like driving through America, Bro, I got the tour. I got the tour for so many years. So it's like for me, I love being on the road, but just seeing all the just different types of life run it's like nothing like doing it with your family. So it's like, my wife is so interested in this stuff, and

especially after meeting Tom, and Tom speak so highly of you guys. You know what I'm saying. Really, I'm happy to hear that, and I love Tom, and so it's like my wife is like that, Like you guys literally speak all this year, like I'm gonna seem like a fucking idiot compared you guys are gonna be like talking. I'm like, huh writing sit down over here, like oh yeah, totally, yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah, So like are you are you like

you're real talking like might be in the area next week? No, yeah, like legit, like well because Fat Bill is literally five point well yeah, and ninety five runs through it, so I would not be out of your way. No, it's not like South Carolina is funny those places like weird, but it is. I can't don't drive there at night time. I don't like South Carolina. Yeah yeah, but no, I definitely like, bro seriously, realistically, it might be next week. You might get

a call because I think we're gonna take your time. I'm driving through like maybe even like all the way down back to Florida or some Well. Tom's on tour right now. So here's the deal. If you are in the area next week, that's perfect because Tom and I live in Welmington, which is two hours away from Fayetteville. But you're passing through Fayetteville, which is where not only Nick Libs, but my dad and my whole family lives.

So if you passed through Fayeteville, that'll be great, man, because I'll take you out there. We'll chill with the bleds of family. I know. If I'm gonna do it, we're gonna skywide. We're gonna skywad. We're not gonna like it. You're not just give me like, no, no, no, no, you're if you're in the area. If you're in the area, muse my brother Junior, who you haven't met yet,

he's actually your age. He's he's turning thirty four this month. Actually, um, he has a three year old who's actually turning three in a days, so it's a little older than you. So the little boys can play around and be buddies. And my cousin Oh no, that's fine. Yeah, he's got a twelve year old brother. Perfect, and we're gonna do some skywatching, Bro, and we're gonna we're gonna see some You're gonna see

some shit. You're gonna see. Yeah. Now, by the time the airs, it'll be like June, so we'll find out, you know, if it all worked out, we'll have to do a follow up. We might have to push this one. No, we could do another, we could do another one. Oh. Like I said, I'm excited. I'm thankful to be here. Um, happy to be here. So you know, we're happy to have you, bro, Bro, I'm all with it.

Well yeah, and then especially in the future, we gotta do a really special episode where you and Tom well, I mean he's on tour and apparently they just announced yesterday they're immediately going to Europe after this tour in so he's gonna be gone for a few months unfortunately. But the next time you come around, Um, we gotta have both y'all on and we'll do like a huge crossover episode. So it will be sick and we will be Yeah.

So, um, I wanted to shift gears a little bit, so we we kind of like started the recording, like we didn't officially start recording, and then you were spitting game and I was like yeah, we gotta include this. Yeah, we could do it. Hey, we gotta do another one. Let's do another one. Bro. Well, no, we're good. We can just start here. So, um, I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about this, like in a little more detail.

On Blitzo said, so for our listeners. But I want to I want to dive back into a little bit more about like your experience with our book. Yeah. Um, like I said, I got pretty early into it, and uh to get a water brought to me, thank you, Dan the oldest kid from another world league whatever the is in the robotics league. Yeah, these kids are smarter than us. I'm trying to tell, got different coding. Damn, that's sick. I wish they had those kind

of programs when I was growing up. Bro, my wife's been finding all this old shit. I'm like, we had shop class. They like wood, they got actual robots, like that's all completely different. But no, I just got early into the book. It's really uh. After they got to whenever the Pope is coming into Philly and which six hours like five six hours away from where I'm from, Pittsburgh, and uh, I'm just I got really into it. We're talking with Tom and Tom Barber and he sent

me your dad's Instagram page. He sent me a couple of videos. Like he's like, bro, because I was talking for like an hour and like he's like, damn, bro, we we think a lot. Like I'm like, yeah, Bro, He's like, I think I could talk to you about some some other shit. Hit me, bro, Like I've heard some wild ship my day, so you're probably not gonna tell you nothing wold.

And he started telling me about like like you know what I'm saying, start to show some videos and it was like your dad, like you know, getting you know what I'm saying, getting visited or whatever you want to call it. Just like his energy was just kind of channeling you know what I'm saying these orbs. And it motivated me to start deep diving into it. And like I said, I'm really in early into it. By the next time this airs and we can talk next time, I'll have you a

full deep dive. Hows Yeah, the ship right now is it's cool because like I said, bro, or I don't know if, like I'm from a religious background, so hearing stuff like that, it's very eye opening, you know. It's especially when you can see it, you know. Yeah, you hear people who like that, what anything from any monetary gang. It's just information, which I'm a firm believer in just giving information. But we're supposed to be doing that, right Like, so, I've just been

intrigued. Knowledge should be freely shared. Yeah, and now I found myself on the Blessed so said, so always gotta name drop it. Uh, yeah, we're here. I appreciate that. Man. Hey, I hadn't even told you this yet. Man, Um, well, I can't go too much into it, but um, we're we're we're gonna be uh hey listening. Listen, you come out next week and uh, I'll put you onto some you can talk some pretty mind blowing shit. Yeah, everybody can you know, handle a lot of like, you know, certain conversations.

That's why I had to sign some NDA's. But we're gonna be appearing on um, the History Channel this this, I guess it's August, which we could hit around. It's gonna be it's gonna be pretty insane if I'm gonna you know, we're not really supposed to go into like what it is or the nature of it or anything, except for we will be appearing on it, and um, yeah, we will have some pretty enlightening conversations if if if we end up seeing you out this way next week, and it'll be

a blast. But um, I want to I want to hear more about, um, what it's like being in the industry. Like a few months ago when we first talked on the phone, you were kind of telling me some really cool stuff about like things you've witnessed some pretty like shady stuff in the industry. I know you probably haven't seen like extremely you know. Oh no, man, I say, fuck, I've been i'd say, doing

this stuff professionally for like last like eight years now. Wow. Uh with from getting my first placement like album placement with Todd Alison on the Beach House. Uh. Ep, it's um you you see in the manipulation of creatives done every day because it's a three headed horse. It's legal corporate and creatives

and legal represents corporate. So it's like you're dealing with people who are hyper vigilant in like the knowledge but not any any knowledge and actually how to create it, and the creators are just just creating art and which art is perspective

based, so you know, artists art out pours. Fuck like producers, any artists, any part of like the creators, they start out poor as hell, and then they got to do all the investment and all the equipment, and then it's like, you know, you get to these places where you start getting these job opportunities or these placement opportunities, and then it's like, yeah, you could get a placement with somebody, they could drop the song, but are you getting paid now? No, you don't understand about

net thirty. Nobody teaches you about that shit. You know what I'm saying. You don't know that They get three months to just like acknowledge they got your invoice. That's just to give you like yeah, I got it. Like that's that's not even like oh yeah we gotta set the processing or it's like yeah we got it. Cool, Like you know what I'm saying, Pick you around. Yeah, you can literally wait up till a year to get paid for something you live and it's like and you created it, Yes,

it wasn't for me. It'souldn't happened. Like credit. Nobody is selling instrumental like like like literally like apapella fucking albums. Nobody's doing that. Nobody's selling acapella albums like like the Fuck So and then it's like as an engineer, we don't often get points or get part of like you know, publishing, and like the engineer, there's the reason why fuck these artists sound like they sound. You know. It's it's there's a difference between somebody really don't

how to engineer and then like somebody know how to hit buttons. But it's like there's a lot of people that get taken advantage of because it's like dude, like man, like you could be somebody who has value or somebody who just selling beats for nothing, and it's like they'd rather go for the guy who's gonna take nothing and then fuck them over and then put them into a

little place that you're part of my team. We're gonna pay you Nichols, and like you're gonna be fine with it, and everybody else is over here trying to get into these circles not realize that these people ain't getting paid shit either. That is tragic. That's that's but I mean it's like, at least in the urban world, the pop world, it's like it's very stale. It's like these guys like, shit, you can't even say name the last artist who's had a sound since like maybe like twenty eighteen, like that

was like the last sound. Yeah, but that isn't that isn't like a put together right now, you know what I'm saying, Like an actual fresh sound. And it's like when we're talking about now in a weird day of streaming where you're seeing it everything from fucking movies. That's why movie suck. Nobody's going on a fucking theater. Nobody's buying babe ds what I think music sucks. Nobody's buying albums. You're just screaming. Even streams, what the

fuck? You can get a billion streams and not get a billion dollars? How does that happen? Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Where's the math manth in it? And like, and this has been going on since two thou sixteen. We're almost at ten years, you know what I'm saying,

And it still hasn't had any type of change. And they've raised the fucking shit on everybody, and they've raised the stipulations on how many digital download like spins it takes for a digital download like it, there's it's one point seven songs uploaded to Spotify a day. I mean one note, it's one point seven songs a second uploaded to spot Yes, one point seven so a whole shit, that's just Spotify. Bro, whoa So that that's so unfathomable,

Like how does an artist even compete? Yes? Yeah, you're not even talking about titles or ale musics or YouTube anything. We're talking about just one platform. It's like it's granted, there's certain places where creatives can kind of make money, but it's like, dude, you're at a point now where you have to be the whole fucking management you do. Yeah, you have to do everything for just somebody to try to do whatever, somebody to even

see you, for somebody to even hear you. So okay, good question. Then how would you like just advice? Now I'm asking you for some professional producer lee advice. Let's say we have this band, right Twice Born, and now we're very lucky we have the podcast to help us get it out there. But let's say we didn't. What would you recommend for us to get some people? By the way, I just looked, we have like two hundred ninety five monthly listeners on on Twice Born on Spotify I I

didn't expect that. I don't look but it's amazing. That's cool, right, But like, but you you you know a lot of people, even if it is like small, uh, you know a lot of people. It's it's going to face to face with people. You're you're in contact with

a lot of people, you know what I'm saying. And don't be afraid to use these places like uh, like these TV shows and shit to just throw your ideas into there, throw your band out there where your shit, um, because uh, when you're twice born, you're like it's it's like you have to wear your Batman suit, bro, So you're gonna have to put that shit on at all times. And uh, you know you could

send it to your boy Rick, I'll start posting that shit. It's just start going one plus one, like you know, yeah, yeah, right, that's what we're supposed to be doing. That made me smile, like it was what's supposed to be doing. But unfortunately in the industry right now, it's like it's like a like a selfish like me me, you know, I'm seeing it like it doesn't matter what genre you're in. It you're

gonna deal with like kind of like similar things. It's just really just you know, finding your the people who just fuck with you like in life, like you know, you know a lot of people who like you Ryan. You know what I'm saying, Like you just started just like visially, like hey man, playing this, playing that, just keeping like keep it going. You have this, like I said, you could just keep this rule one. You know some people in the game like fucking are working with other

people too. That comes to help too, you know what I'm saying, if you could like uh, you know, I'm just saying, like making songs like yes, I'll save you some shit that like is like our post hardcore band. It's like I do the screams. I'll do like background singing and shit like that because like me and him co write songs and shit like that, where but I do all the screams like and the ship's tight. I'm getting better at it, I've heard, honestly, and it is good.

I've I've before before you had announced um Fall of Forever. I don't know if you remember, but that day that Tom was with me at my dad's house and you had I got your number that day and you sent us

some samples. I don't know if this is fall forever, if this was more like that, that was just me just like experimenting that the sound of like, hey, I'm getting back into us because it's like, you know, I haven't made it since I was in high school, but you know, I still I'm not gonna run away from my knowledge on how to make fucking music. Like shit, you know what I'm saying. I know how to do it at a professional level. It's like, it just took me

a little bit to get back into it. But where a stuff where we're at now, Oh man, it's it's completely different. I just said to uh Tom some stuff. He's like, dude, this is like yeah, like if you I'm I'm a student now. Like there's the reason why I got to being diamond is because I'm I'm an information wore and I studied the ship and figure out how to make it sound like how it was supposed to sound. That's my guess. That's that's exactly what I had to do.

I watched probably forty hours or maybe more. Still watch YouTube, bro, Still look up any song that you like, go look up who mixed it. I bet you any money they have at least forty fucking videos of them yucking saying some will whatever did they do? And like, yeah, bro, what you know? Uh you know, uh, Joey Sturgis, I watched screaming shit. I hit that thing up on Instagram. Damn fucking rate.

Hell yeah, you think I'm if I need? I watched his videos too, you know what I'm I'm fucking I'm subscribed to his fucking youtubere Vocal Institute shit like yes, that's I showed Ryan whenever I was like, dude, okay, we're doing this band. We don't have anybody to do the screams. I guess I'm gonna do it. And I was showing him videos

from that guy Extreme Vocal Institute, that guy that great. He's great, he'd be on the road with motherfuckers and shit like that, and uh, you know, so I started watching his video Joey Sturge and let me copying some of his plugins and shit like that, Howard Benson and all the motherfuckers, Like, oh yeah, I'll go into like the deep dive of like everything and just trying to get into how to make shit sound better. Because the reason why I even got where it's even at verse, it's me and

Baby Heavers the two pieces because I can't wait for people. I had other people like homies that are guitars homies and shit like that, and it's just like they send you some loops or like like some guitar riffs and shit like that. But it's like, dude, or you're like you're only sending me like two parts or like three parts, Like come on, bro, you got five and you got like you know what I'm saying, Like you can't switch up the progression a little bit, like we're like being baby stuff,

like I'll be switching the progression up like five six times. But yeah, like you know what I'm saying, because like Yo and rap, you just come up that main cool progression little league listen, drums on it, trap that bitch out, that's it. Like where this It's like I'm going into full detail and shit could get intricate with the ship. So it's like but

I'm not gonna wait on anybody. Like and like when I I was in like that post hardcore man, I was doing background screens anyway too, So like yeah, so with the Fall of Forever stuff, where do I find it? We ain't even out yet. We've been to drop our first shit. Like we literally just uh, we're in the mixing process and I go back to La probably and like, like I said, next like two weeks

or so maybe. So like we're figuring out Like I got a call while we're on here with bash shout out my boy bash c before co on Instagram shout out like my big videos, and she's like that he's gonna shoot our first video. Um, So we're like waiting on like to get that done and it's gonna just hit everybody over the head probably within the next month or so, I'm saying, and I'll be sharing that a little bit of help

that I have to offer, I will be sharing that. Yeah. No, yeah, the realistically, the end of the June is whenever you're gonna get all that stuff. But we're doing everything the right way, man, like really making stuff that means stuff. We're writing about real life shit that like you know how I was talking about like the music industry shit like if you want to be a rock star, dude, that comes with a lot

of shit. You know what I'm saying, Like Nigga maybe living that ship, but it's like, bro, that comes with a lot of stuff. We're teaching people like I have a song called like it's called displaced Anger, and it's like, how else do you get this plip's anger by having this association And it's just like that's why we get into the other stuff because it's like, you know satus part like I'll never be enough the second time around,

won't be so rough. It's like yeah, Like it's like my mom said that to me, and it's like, yo, it's kind of crazy. I'd like check her about it, Like what do you mean? What's different about right now? You know what I'm saying, Like when it becomes grandparents, it's like it's cool, but like what are you changing the actual

like idea or like what's so different? Because this is the reason why I have displaced anger is because like this m realistic expectation of life and then I'm chasing this whole thing of where I have this imposter syndrome and I'm just always chasing the fucking carrot and like what is enough? You know what I'm saying. And then as an adult, and I didn't feel for feeling, so I became a parent, Like yo, damn, I understanding what is enough?

But it's like you have to start talking about this shit because if not, they just think we're out here just doing all whatever. But it's like, Yo, these motherfucker's over there hurt. It's because we have Instagram. You think it's all great and grand and ship like. They're like, bro, motherfucker's really be going through some ship. No matter if I am Rickey,

Pete or not, We're all going through the same fucking shit. But you want to hear about all the bullshit like, no, I'm not gonna lead you astraight, Like I feel like I got lied to, but all the people, like you know what I'm saying, I was listening to and shit like that, they weren't. They're they're letting us know they're feeling shit, but they weren't like being vulnerable. They weren't talking about what they were going through. They were just talking about maybe yeah, yeah, yeah,

exactly. They are telling stories. It's the propaganda that gets the fucking the people that need to be led. You know what I'm saying, It gets the sheep. And it's like, man, I don't want to raise sheep. I want to be able to give motherfucker's like the right ship. And that's what the fall up forever stuff that we'll be making. We really be making music that, uh you get to know me, you get to know, get to know McKenzie. You know, it's not just Ricky Pete.

That's not like you know what I'm saying. You get Ricky Pete. That's that urban shit all that stuff like this, it's real life stuff. This is stuff that like I'm like I'll teach my son or like we're having these type of conversations with I talk a lot about a lightenment. Should I have a whole song like I'll send it to you and it's about it, Like it's literally about your dad, like the video of me watching your dad, like you know, get you know, or how a normal persona or like

a regular person like you got visited by these words. I really made a song about like you know, and like Tom breaking that ship And it's just like dude, like do you believe me now? You know what I'm saying? Like Wow, what does it take to believe me? You know what I'm saying? And I feel like that's how I've been my whole life. It's like damn, like I could put it on your face, but do

you believe me now? Like you know what I'm saying, like I can't wait to hear that one man, And it's yeah, bro, tell me what you're thinking when you look up to this guy seeing the constellations. When I look into your eyes, yeah, in the air and you know that they arrive, I'm happy they will let me like I can't wait to hear that ship. Oh my god. It's one of those things. But it's

like it's the truth. And then like even when I'm screaming, like I'm sitting and saying I'm not lying, the Age of Aquarius is now upon this and it's like, Yo, it's like we're in a point in life where it's like like it's either you're gonna no you're not. And it's sad when you have all these things at your fingertips like that you won't believe me, like you know, like what else do I have to do to make you believe that there's another way besides which it is given to And that's what that

song is. It's like it's literally after like me talking to Tom him some of these videos and like it's like literally about that yes, no, it's I if I literally told you, like tell me what you're thinking when you look up to this guy, see the consolations, when I look into your feeling in the air that you know that they arrived. I'm breathing heavy, you know your Damn's like I'm breathing He's like you know that video. I'm like, damn, dude, what an honor? Like what I'm saying,

Like my dad's gonna like that hero. It's like did I said, trying to relax, gout my hand, just hold on, like bro, like you gotta come out to North Carolina. But the fuers really be like waiting for that moment when it's just like this weird precipice of information. They're just like the bullshit that they like find it like it just dawns on them, like oh this bullshit and it's like there's actually some other viewpoint of life.

But then there's so many people like we've even seen there have been people around the you know the Bledsoe's not to name any names or anything, but you know, the beings, the light beings, They'll they'll appear and they'll literally like avert their eyes because it's like this is challenging everything that I know, and so do you believe me now? Eat. People have seen it and then looked away because they don't want to be like, oh you told me

so. Yeah. It challenges everything that they think they know and all of the faith that they've invested in this or that of the other. And they see it and they're like no, no, no, no, no no, dude, that's some heavy shit. It's that's real shit. It happens all the time too. I can't wait and hear that. Bro, you gotta you gotta Temple, I can you Texas hear me? Now? Okay, let's go, Ryan, you better send that to me. Ricky piece

coming through? Bro. Yeah. Hey, by the way, Ricky, our our six song EPs gonna come out this month, Oh bro, two weeks from Friday. You gotta let me know when the first singles coming out and send me the video shit so I could post it on my page. We got two singles out, we got two? Hell yeah? Well like the artwork and shit like that, Like how you guys posted so I could post it? Okay, hell yeah, dude, appreciate that he came through.

Yo. Something interesting that you mentioned earlier was like how to set yourself apart as a producer, Like there's so many producers out there that just kind of throw something together and put it out and whatever. Um. And then you also mentioned you're kind of a bookhead. You read a lot of books. Have you happened Have you read Rick Rubin's newest book, No, I

haven't. I think Rick Rubin is a very interesting person, is very like you know, uh, I would say the product of uh, the early ages of like fuck it that like like his his thinking was so pivotal that like where like he doesn't like where people don't even understand like how he thinks. It's how we think now. Yes, he's so ahead of He was so great in ahead of his time because like nobody was thinking like at all outside of the box. This assholes like maybe just like yeah, yeah,

just try some shit. And it's like everybody was so like only like the gun with stuff where it's like Rick Rubin's like an interesting person because I'll be like, yo, like to be honest with you, I feel like he like you go to la. Like his vibe is like the star I'm saying it is now. Yeah, And the way he describes music is kind of how we have been talking about it. He believes it's a psychic like magical

medium and oh for sure, for sure. And but the way you channel it is kind of by like opening your mind and being spiritual and thinking beyond the limits of what you think, you know, and shit like that. You know, he just like, you know, I heard this story about whenever he was working with jay Z and you know, they were making ninety

nine problems. Yeah, he suggested in yes, well that, and then they were like stuck at a certain point, they didn't really know where to go with the mix, and he was like, let's all just go outside real quick and let's just change the scenery. Let's just let's let's kind of get a vibe going. And then they came back in and he saved the room and he's like, all right, let's see if anything comes to us. And then it was like boom boom boom boom boom boom, Like the

turn real industrial. That's song is like, I that's the epitome of like

New York. Yeah, like when you hear the mix of that, that just feels like he just walked outside busy Manhattan just go get her, like you know what I'm saying, I'm ready to tackle the world type shit, And yeah, it's funny like that he's necessary because it's like it's true, like bro're we're speaking on actual, real events or like real emotions, whether they are directed for any specific thing, because like I said, like music's

crazy, you can write about anything. I wrote about a song. I ain't got nothing to do with me besides me getting some information and my homie sending me some shit. And I'm sitting there just speaking on behalf of this motherfucker. Because if I'm telling you the story this shit, I'm be telling you like this thing over here breathing heaviest fuck bro like Nie over here, feeling the ship like they just like some I'm seeing the ship some weird or

whatever. Like No, he's like he his mind, his body, everything, He's in the place of where he wants to be. He's present, right, something that we don't do, you know what I'm saying. And it's like man like, so it's like with me music, he could it's all about like your vibe and how you feel because my music is literally my journal, Like I speak about stuff that I feel when I have conversations due to the fact that I'm reparenting myself, like my hypermasculinity comes across a little

bit too much. I'm very hyper masculine, which I like, I I don't I don't apologize for it, you know what I'm saying, Like I've been learning how to trying to turn it down, but I understand what it does now because it's just childhood me trying to establish healthy boundaries whatever. I already know that I'm gonna just get taken advantage of because the normal person me.

I like, I'm very welcoming, but like, yeah, bro, this this stuff with music, it's like you have to get into like how Rick Rubin said, you go to get into this whole shit, bro, because if not, it's going to come out sounding like shit, this is gonna sound out sound like you're just over here trying to force some shit, like how my wife said, it sound like you're forcing it. You know

what I'm saying. If it sounds like I'm forcing it, bro, like I don't want to do it. Like and like with my post hardcore music, it's not like me forcing it. It's like me to sit over here talking about my life. You know what I'm saying, really deep diving without having to be faced value because unfortunately there's too much music out here. That's just like, dude, that's not how they really live it. Bro. Yeah, this person like he can be living cool, but like I know,

he's hurting on some other shit. Like you know, I'm saying, there's some real life going or you know, you can devolve some shit to me or at least where I'm at, Like I'm learning listening to some new music, teach me some shit, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I feel like that's what separates like the true great works of art from like

the pop you know, the popular, pretty good stuff or whatever. Like a real true great work of art is somebody like bearing their soul, like like showing showing the deepest parts of themselves and and like telling those stories through their music. That's the that's the real real shit. That's the stuff that like I want my son like because my son loves my music. It's crazy, don't matter if I'm like it's some ratshit or anything like that. He's

like my biggest fan. But I want him to be able to listen to my music when he grow up. And then he goes back and like he hears that he's gonna be hearing like damn, my dad's really like trying to better himself as a human. He's like he's making stuff to like so whenever he knows, like, oh my dad was making this music, Okay, cool, he wasn't over here talking about holes and because his hang out with his buddy's dicking around, Like, no, this guy's over here really trying

to like change. Yeah no, he's really trying to change his life because he wants to be emotionally mature. You know what I'm saying, Like, I just want to be emotionally mature person because I feel like that's how that's that's the best wealth I could give my son, you know what I'm saying, Because money ain't just ain't gonna be able to give him the full things he needs in life. But emotionally, fucking like mature parents, that's where

they're he's gonna be able to flourish. And like, I want more kids. So like in order to have like a tribe, you really have to be working on yourself and being balanced. Yeah, no, that that's gonna. I know we all often trail off, but like it's just everything has its own synchronicity, and it's just like bros, it's like dog, you just start from that data level, thinking that period and work out, and

it's just like we're we're we're fucking magicians. We're fucking frequency magicians. So it's like when me I as I go back, it's just only breeds to this new genre of music that I'm into. It's not new, it's new to the world because everybody looks at it just like I'll tell I'm like, dude, how the fuck did you find me? Or like like this shit or like and it's like, dude, like it's just this stuff pays the bills. This is what's the stuff that was like kind of like, you

know, my opportunity and I ran with it. Where now I'm at a point in my life where I'm just creative. I'm trying to you know, try new things and talk about new things because like people need to hear this ship. Like my homies need to hear this ship. Bro. Like niggas is out here without smoking weed getting like you know what I'm saying, Like, bro, this ship the books, y'all niggas is reading Like there I

ain't seen no white motherfucker that came back residue acted like a bunny. Okay, But this motherfucker's out here to see this ship all right, like yeah, what, like I can't be crazy because it's happening multiple times. And then other motherfuckers that be around these motherfuckers and even like out of a book. The poop was even like the like whatever, like that point before that

pope. Shit, there's some people that up there don't seeing the ship like how you said it was like this, Oh shit, yeah, oh ship turn a blind turn the blind. The motherfucker's is like what the fuck is that? What the w wa? Wait till you get to have you gotten a chapter five yet? No? Bro? All right, wait tea whatever, like literally they're freaking out and they had like a it's like the ninetieth hour before the pope pulls up. I think that's the I think that's the

first chapter. But it's a pretty it's listen, yeah it listen. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, you can do at the first chapter, fifth chapter, like you motherfuckers is on some different just even the first chapter, like damn, bro, these niggas is profound. Bro, it's profound. All right, you guys got a nigga. I had the like real like I like to say, I'm connected. But you know, the thing is called a nigga that knew about the pope's whole, like like what the

pope was doing when he came in town. Like that's well, I mean, I mean that's what happens when you know we this. Yeah, I mean the government's been kind of peeking in our home life since you know, all those years ago. Wait till Reach chapter five and six, and wait till re chapter fourteen. Okay, that's what it's all about. Okay, Okay, Hey listen, I got a lot of time and I'll be I'll be trying to force feed my mind with information versus just being on this internet.

It's like hard because we have to be on the internet, you know what I'm saying, Like how you're talking about promoting and like, dude, the fucking artists got to do content this that I was coming up through. All I had to do was make music. Hell's it. We're like, I'm not like an old dude and don't change at the time, but I'm

definitely still like dog fuck, I'm doing all this hard ass ship. I had to mix the shit, make the shit shit, and then you mean I gotta jump around in front of this fucking camera, not even front of you, like in front of this camera, Like I don't know how to use this. You gotta do everything. It's not just one thing anymore. You have to know how to do every fucking everything. And it's fuck like gotta be your own manager, you're own producer, your own lawyer, your

own seriously serious promoter. Seriously but like it's cool because we're now I feel like our society is like there's half of us are like really trying to just unite on like like like how you said leading with our hearts, Like we're trying to like unite with a different way. We're not trying to just put our ideas together because the mind will lie to you, your heart won't as yeah, a quote for you, and it's like that shit is just like

you know, and it's like we're banning together. Think about how we're even just like our synchronicity, bro, we're like we all came together or just some whole dispiritual shit. It ain't got nothing to do with just like some direct shit. We're just in here, just a ship that started, like you know what I'm saying. It's really weird. That's how life is the magic. It's weird. It's weird. I don't even call it weird anymore. It's like, that's what it is. Ready for this, Ricky.

This is a quote for my dad's book. She stood up from the massive throne and hovered over the carved out floor beneath it, never touching the ground, Just forty feet away and twenty feet above me. She spoke a parable that took a long time for me to process. When the red star of Regulus aligns just before dawn and the gaze of the Sphinx, a new knowledge shall come into the world. I was not sure what that meant. I have come to understand that around Easter of two thou twenty six, there will

be the end of an old way in the beginning of a new. Yes, that's the information and the not like because like, fortunately, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of my friends that don't understand the hell I'm talking about. They don't understand about self awareness and not just like self awareness is just not being like a where are your problems? Bro? Like no, like are you present? Like are you here? Like right now?

Like where are you? Like where are you at? Like are you still caught up in all this stuff, like you know, and you can't lie to us anymore. It's not just conpiracies no more. Bro Like, it's just you just can't lie to us no more. It's just it's at a point where there's too many people that could talk to each other, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't think a lot of our governments or like the people of power understood what technology did for communication. Oh

yeah, it gave us the tools. I'm gonna give you a little spoiler.

Essentially. One of the main reasons why UM NASA, the CIA, just in the Department of Defense in general, has been so fascinated by my family and has kept such um a close watch on us is because in twenty twelve, my dad had an experience with this female entity that told him basically, when this star alignment happens, which is what I just read to you, we're gonna enter the age of Aquarius, and we're gonna enter a new knowledge and it's going to be a world of peace and U basically there's some

bad motherfuckers. Yeah, I'm wake up. Are you gonna be fucking slow and just stay back and just like keep getting lied to. Are you actually like, open your mind. I'm not telling you that you have to believe what the fucking the Bledsoe family it's trying to tell you, because not all information is for everybody, But like, at least hear it out here, your motherfuck is out I think about it. No, not even think I wrote. Hear him out listen, like because actually listen, actually not even

hear him out. Listen, because just hearing somebody is just letting somebody ramble, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, just rebuttal I want, like, let listen listen to him. You can walk away with an agree to disagree. Unfortunately, right now we're in a weird error where we can't agree to disagree, Like we can't learn something and walk away and be like,

damn, he taught me some shit. I might not believe or like agree with him, but his standpoint in the evidence that he gave me makes me be like, yo, your fucking stance is valid, bro, valid So at that side of the table. No, but I can acknowledge you're side of the fucking table. And why can't we get to that? Why can't we just sit there and be like, oh, let's hear him out because everybody thinks they're right. Oh yeah, exactly. The open minded people know

that it's silly to think you're always right. Bro. I used to be that that fucking naive. I used to be naive until I met my wife. Wife, If I worry about the federal agents, I got a wife found out anything before I can even say it. Yeah, that's just the best policy. Honesty with your wife in fact. Oh no, just honestly

with yourself. Yeah, true, true, I mean that's the best policy, you know, because like I was, like I wasn't even being honest with myself and a lot of things and like, but like that comes with from my my childhood trauma, from my zero to seven and uh, you know, uh, it's just now I'm in a point where there's too much information out here for me to not look at it. And I open the book. You know what I'm saying, Like, there's too much. I

have too much curiosity to not sit there. Buy the book, you know what I'm saying. Which, by the way, y'all motherfucker's buy the book. I'm friends with. These motherfuckers, got back the book. You being a mother. Dude's comments section okay, be at the meat packing factory over there talking to her. Oh yeah, bro, yes, king all that bullshit, but don't even support your homies. Bro, Like, you know what I'm saying, Go buy the book Oh God, by my boy Christiner

Blas. So yeah, go get my boy's book, because you're gonna be hearing my music. You're gonna hear the influence that has had on me just from even just from how how has impacted a person who I care about. You know what I'm saying, It's like, man, if he's saying that he's giving me his testimony and his evidence, and it says a whole bunch of table evidence. Man, Come on, like I said, buy the book, you o God, buy the book. Are you talking about Tom

like your friend that's been impacted? You know? I got message. I got a direct message from a fan of the Pie cast a few days ago and it was somebody like sent me a screenshot he was at a Chelsea Grin show. He said, dude, no way. At the end of the show, Tom sat down on stage and said, I want to let you guys off easy. There's not gonna be an encore tonight, but I wanted to talk to you about something. We are all manifestations of God as light

beings here on earth. We're all doing it. Listen, he doesn't tom because he'll sit there and let because you know, these are the people that people forget about. The cool thing about metal shows is like, man, those are the motherfuckers that, like, you know, they get kind of forgotten about little Yeah, like they gotta get slipped through the cracks. There's

still human beings. They're around us, they're right there with us. And it's just like, Bro, you gotta remind some of these people how special they are. Bro, Like yeah, and it's it really changed his life. Shit, Bro, it's already been changed in mind. And I even met you motherfucker's yet. But that's when you know it's real. That's when you know something like you know, we don't have to change that, Bro, I don't know. I don't. I don't listen. There's a certain

things I don't believe in quincidence. Oh yeah, that's and like I have dejabu all the time, so I already notice is like some type of looper. But it's like things happen for like you know what I'm saying, for the purposeful reasons now, at least my life. There's a lot of things, Like I wasn't in looking at the patterns, but it's like, man, like this shit, Yeah, there's a reason. There's a reason.

There's a reason why I'm like over here questions thing. That's the reason why I'm repaired to myself, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's how we changed. Like just changing generational trauma isn't just like oh, nothing to do what you did, Like, no, bro, we gotta do all these shits. We gotta do this work. We gotta challenge our moments, we gotta challenge the perspectives of shit, like really do it with

the pureness of heart. Yeah, I feel like I feel like that healing the generational or the childhood trauma thing is it's probably a big key to opening up to spiritual concepts, like opening up spiritually and and kind of becoming your higher self. Like I think I almost feel like it's a hard barrier. I mean not to say you couldn't do it without doing that necessarily, but I think it is a very important step or key into Yeah, yeah,

opening up your consciousness to these sorts of things. Damn right, damn fucking right, I'm rolling this joint. No, yeah, it's all good. So it's all good. Yeah, that's also a key right there. That's another little short cut right there. Oh yeah, shit, man, you make me want to join you my anxiety of best trauma of course. Yeah. Yeah. The episode band, No, man, that's not it's and and dude. If it has been on YouTube, Yeah, we've had a guest before on camera smoke did we? Oh we did? It was our

first guest. I'm gonna be in solidarity with you, Ricky so fuck yeah, don't believe me. Let me hear I'm in the dungeon. In the dungeon, No, in the real life, selling man the basement. Hell yeah, damn. I've had a good time with you boys. I feel like we've covered a lot of good stuff tonight. But based on our previous conversations, I feel like we got some gas left in you for another future conversation. Damn right, bro, I'm still just lit this up man.

Hell yeah, man, I can't wait to hear that music for real. Yeah, I sign it for you guys to hear it. I'm I can't wait. I sent you too, I sent you that that believe me now that you want another one called Trader. That one is like kind of like our heaviest stuff, but like that one is just like solely me on that one. Like that one's just me. But I'll send you another one like

another few. Well, look, the EP, the r EP is gonna be finished this week, so maybe we'll just have to send it over to our buddy Ricky to get his listen, especially that you guys are two piece, like you know what I'm saying, Well, I ain't. We'll three piece now because my brother's in the band, but he's vocals. Yeah oh yeah yeah, I sent you the other day. Really and you a guitar your brother on fucking singing? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

yeah, I do the guitar or the bass. I'm still doing some of the vocals. Uh, I'm gonna do like Jeremy will. We'll be doing like going forward um. And then you know, any any kind of like keys or any fancy stuff that goes in there. I do that stuff too. But Jeremy, I leave majority of the sea with with Ryan's brother Jeremy.

We just we had this inkling like yo, I bet he's really good at screaming, and turns out he's been like basically practicing for like fifteen years with with nob yeah, with nobody knowing and no project to dedicate it to. So I was like, Yo, come to a feature and we'll just try it out. We'll have fun. And and he came in there, bro and one take everything it was destroyed it and I was like, hey, I'm stepping down. I was like, I'm not doing the vocals anymore.

He's doing the vocals. So I'm sending you just exactly exactly exactly. I was like, I'm sending you a video. It's it's a video because there's so is short and I just screen capped a Google dry file, but it's the song. I'm sending you, the song that we just recorded with my brother, which is the first song that he was like on it the whole time, not just a feature. So this is Nick and Jeremy.

You're gonna hear both vocals, but this, this is uh, this is what we're working with, and you know, we can regroup on that. And I'm definitely gonna be listening to your stuff tonight and then um oh I can't wait. Yes, oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, no nost to it immediately. Yeah, I wish we could. I wish we could have like a freaking I wish it would like listening party, but it's not out so that way. Yeah, you know, and it's all right, but

no, thank you guys for having me bro so sick. It's been a blessing likewise, and I'll definitely keep you updated on our Like you know what I'm saying. If you make our way through North Carolina, I think my wife would be definitely interested in doing so because we don't we're not going to be Russian anyway, So yeah, if you give more family road trip and so that's what ye're just doing right now. What's a good time. We know all the all the fire spots in Fayetteville for food too, so we'll

take care of y'all. Yeah, and I lived two hours away, so just like I know, I know you're gonna be on a road trip and it's probably gonna be a lot of like, um, sponsor, I need to get the experience. I can't. Well, I'm just saying, just give me, like, if possible, give me like a day or two in advance. Oh no, yeah, yeah, give me little heads up, just a little bit of heads up, Yeah, so that I can get over there. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, you feel me.

Hey, it's been a blessing having you on man. Um oh man, thank you guys for having me. Thank you, thank you for having me, man, thank you for having us and oh dude, yeah, definitely got to do it again. I mean everybody, are we in agreement? We gotta do yeah you can't yes, yes, oh yeah, okay, cool, Um, this one would come out in June, but I'm feeling like we might want to pump this one out. Hey, whatever you want to do, man, you can. I'm all for it, literally

all for it, you know. Yeah. I think we release it early as possible. We can juice anybody that listens to this. We'll hear about his h his music, music and yeah, but I push your project too. Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. We do enough of that on our own. Yeah, we want to what the official date? Oh, the off it's the last Friday of this month, So the official date is May twenty six. The full EP will be out. Yeah, the full EP out. It's called it's called Mythos by Twice Born. What

do you think it's got? The good Day Day I appreciate it. Man. Yeah, a good tricky tricky ricky Ricky, Yeah, you're the man. Oh it just dropped out. He's like, oh, okay, well, I guess wait wait wait, don't in the recording, hold on, we gotta Alexan visit the button. Melanie's off. Um, I guess we're gonna do a traditional um by guys, Bye, guys. Happened in the backyard. What so house got so weird, kind of closer to my hair, staystraight up, like smiraling on the inside of it. No one knows.

Wow, come right, shine, be happy.