97: TWICEBΩRN

Yo, what it dude? What to do? Yeah, this is a fun episode. This is a crossover. Um. Since we have been little kids, the three of us, we have talked about making music, just geeked out about like our love of metal together and we're finally here. We're just gonna get into it and what twice Born is and what it represents. And I mean, I'm very excited me too. I'm super pumped. If you guys can't tell by the title, this episode is about our band Twice

Born, which we're super, super super pumped about. And Jeremy's I like it. Yeah, So just really quick to give us summary of like how Twice Born kind of came about, Like we started making music. Well really I just started like making stuff on my computer. Uh, but I had like a two or three year span where I wasn't really making metal music because I felt like I didn't have the right equipment or whatever. You know.

I have a Fender Strat, which for anybody out there that knows some jazzy metal exactly to a jazz guitar, it is basically it's like you know, for like really thin strings, right, well, the strings you can I had to put some fat strings onto the strat to get it to sound good. But it's just the the hardware of a strat, the way that it's built, the types of pickups that are used. It's it's meant for, like, you know, like bluesy stuff or like rock stuff or jazz or

that kind of stuff. So I never thought that I'd be able to make metal music on it. And you know, y'all remember y'all remember my white guitar right, oh yeah, it was a set right, yes, yeah, it was the Scheckter. So like way back in high school, I got that Scheckter and me and Ryan were like, we're making music, dude,

we're gonna be able to bend. It's gonna be sick. And I was playing well yeah, yeah, yeah, Jeremy was Jeremy was a little preoccupied with wow, but you know what, we were like people of the truth. There. Jeremy always the whole time was like, I want to learn a guitar. He was always interested. Yeah, that's the interest was always there. And of course like me just howling in the car by myself, which we didn't do it well, trying to learn how to do all.

Yeah, exactly. We didn't know about that until much later, but at any rate, my my apartment flooded, like you know, four or five years ago or something like that, and my white guitar got destroyed. So yeah, I know, rip dude to the goat. So I only had the fenderstrap. I don't think I ever named it. But you know what posthumously a Metallic album? Huh isn't that a Metallica song? You're thinking of? Ride the Lightning? Okay, yeah, I'm not. I don't.

It's okay, it's okay. You get points for trying, your points for trying, Ryan I tried. But anyway, Yeah, so I had the fender strap for a couple of years. And you know, because I had that, I got it because I wanted to have two different vibes. I wanted to have like the heavy metal guitar and then I wanted to be able to just like jam to low fire or like bluesy stuff or whatever. But when the you know, the the scheckter got destroyed, I was like,

well, there goes the metal. But you know, I guess I really think it's because of us doing the podcast and and me kind of seeing like you're really only limited by your own like belief or outlook or whatever. You know, we may this podcast that we're super proud of just with like just equipment that we just bought. You know, it's not the most high

dollar, amazing equipment or whatever, but we're super proud of it. And I was like, damn, you know, if that's true, then I could probably find a way to make it work and do something I'm proud of. So, long story short, I started making music and then I told Ryan and he was like, oh, bet, it's a big bet. We're about to do this. So we wrote all these songs. We're making them, and then we had an idea to get Jeremy on a song as

a feature, as a guest, like a special feature exactly. We about five months ago we were talking about this and we were like, dude, he can He could probably scream, he does, you know, stuff like that, because the thing about je Jeremy, like one of your favorite things to do is just make weird noises. It's like, I have no impulse control. If I get the feel, if I could let the feel in the scream or do something weird, I want to do it. Yeah,

And it's just it's funny. Everyone loves Oh it's hilarious, everyone loves it. But he would be making these noises that like are like screams. He'd be being silly, funny way right. But me and Ryan would look at each other and be like, he has a good like that sound like maybe

we can carve this exactly. So Nick and I were talking one day on the phone and I was like, dude, how would you feel if we, like, you know, hit up my brother Jeremy and my cousin Warren Because my cousin, you know, Warren's been on the show, so they know who Warren is if they've seen that. I was like, dude, scream Warren. Me and you and Warren used to be in one of our thousands of little shell bands you know that we had are kids. We were

technically in a band with Warren all those years ago. Yeah, and I knew we could scream, never heard Jeremy actually do it. And I was like, well, let's get them both on a feature And Nick goes, no, even better, let's get Jeremy in the band. Yeah. Because I was like, and I told you this on the phone, I was like, the only thing I could imagine cooler than me and Ryan making music

is Ryan and Jeremy making music. Yeah, true, Like to me, that was the only thing that could make the Twice Born project even more exciting. You know, I didn't want to just bring in like whoever, Like, oh, we should probably find like another guitarist, or find another bassist, or find somebody who can bring somebody comfortable, somebody we vibe with and we know and we also always like the same. It's like in metal, for those of you who don't know, there's like a million subgenres. Yeah,

it's really pretentious. You listen to scream, it's kind of like rap. It's like the opposite of rap, Like there's a there's a culture behind it. All the rap is way bigger and more popular. It's got the you know, there's I don't know, all the cultures are rap like that. I'm not super heavy into rap, but there's like trap, there's trap, hip hop, hip hop. There's all these subgenres, and metal is

like probably worse. Oh, it is absolutely metal. Okay, So if you don't listen to metal, but you do listen to like electronic music, it's the same exact vibe with electronic because people, i mean, the snobby about it. They're so snobby about it. It's like, that's not drumming based, that's jungle and take it exactly exactly so it can be. But the reason I say this is we all liked like we were in the same pocket. We liked all the exact same descore metalcore, a little bit of

that post hardcore with the singing up. Yeah, I mean, come on as romans and I'm not gonna lie. I dabbled into grindcore when I was in high school. I mean there's some good I mean, wasn't grindcore? You know, you know what's grindcore? Like the very first ever in Penny Doom album Nail Dead Risen and I liked it. Nail Yeah, that album is great or thought kind of like original. Um, what's that band called Bring Me the Horizon? A little bit like super heavy filthy and wasn't um

I wrestled a bear once? Yeah they were Yeah, yeah, a lot of gravity blasts like just it's like it's close to like Swedish black metal and then yea and honestly yes, but anyway, you know, we all like the same vibe of metal. I buttered the bread with butter. Yeah, that's another one. See, I never got super into the grindcore stuff.

But looking back, some of it's like, oh no, this isn't bad, this isn't I was like super picky, you remember, Yeah, yeah, I was super picky about it. But anyway, so when the idea came up with the Jeremy thing, it was like a no brainer. We were like, if he's in, that's a rat, Like that's it. Twice born is now thrice born. It's not really, but it's still twice born. But like we we got the three piece now lfy zero and saw

Gi up in. Yeah, but you know it was funny. It's like Ryan hit me up one day to text and I was like, yo, you're trying to like scream in our band. I was like, yeah, sure dude, and he was like, send me a snippet. I was like, I got you. Like three days later, I sent him a random snippet and he called me immediately. He was like, dog, well is that you? Yeah? Nick? I was, I got you and I never sent it to you. Oh well, that's like I heard a

clip. We're like, dude, we got it. It's real. Yeah, And I mean I knew though, like all the silly noises he makes. I was like, dude, bro, that's my thinking was like to get him as a feature. I was like, how hard could it be to like push yourself for like, you know, a twenty second line. And Nick was like, no, no, no, no, we get him in the band. I'd never heard him scream at that point, and

I was like, let's do it. And then I texted you. I was kind of being sneaky to to like text you to be like gage your interest. And I was like, well, let me hear a clip. I want to see what it sounds like. And then I got the clip. It was game over and we got to work and you're, you know, we okay, So I guess we could shift into this. So when we started the podcast Alex, Nick and I and obviously you know, Jenny and Casey and all of us involved in December of twenty twenty was when we

we all confirmed and everybody was like, we're gonna do it. Was it was It was when you were at my apartment for Christmas. The week it was like the week before Christmas. I remember we made that that drink. Do you remember I'm talking about the um Yes, And it was a big weekend and we had Christmas festivities, and we had been talking about a podcast kind of, but like I wasn't one hundred percent on it. And it was that weekend we came up with the name and we were like, let's

do this, let's put it out in the summer. We're gonna this is for real. And we started working on the podcast for like six months, you know, parking all the websites, getting everything branded and figuring out what the vision was and all that. And in the meantime was when we also said we're not going to rush because podcast comes first, but we're also going to make a band. Yeah. Yeah, So for two years now we've known we were going to do this and we've taken our sweet time with it.

So the point being is for the last two years we've been working on six tracks, and then in the last like four months or five months, Jeremy's been in Evolved and more like three months. Yeah, it hadn't been too long. Yeah really, yeah, you're right, you're right. At this point, we haven't said yet, but at this point, the EP is out. Yes, the EP is out, so go and check it out. So for those wondering, why's Jeremy only on three of the six

tracks. That's why the timing issue. The timing because Jeremy came into the epic, came into the equation permanently after we were like mostly done with the ep Yeah, we did the feature on Katrini, which you know most that was the second single. Yeah, exactly a lot of people have heard it. That was our song about Odin. We did the feature and then we were like, this is real, real good. So we definitely need to get him on more songs. So we did as much as we could for

this project. But going forward is Jeremy's the vocalist. Well, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's been really fun, Like I never expected that I would enjoy that as much as I did. Really, you really dig it. It was funny. The first time I texted Ryan, I was like, dog, I can't have anybody around me doing this right, right, this is this is you know, like being right. And I think after the second time I texted him, I was like, you know I could

do that with an audience. It's kind of cool an audience of ten thousand people. Yeah, I was. I was honestly the same way. So let's let's go back in time a little bit. Okay, Um, to our first band, or one of our first bands, Watching the Watchers. Watching the Watchers when I first started recording, were sixteen and seventeen. Yeah, yeah, we were We were young and we were trying to make it happy. But when I first started doing the vocals, you can ask Ryan.

We were doing it at Angel Crespo's house, Shout out Angel Crespo, and I was like, Ryan, that was this Day's Reckoning. Oh, you're right, You're right. You're our first real song we put out, You're right, You're right. So with this Day's Reckoning, which was another time that we tried to make one of our shell bands that didn't Yeah, that didn't pan out. We've had thou Yeah, uh oh, let's go through a shotgun Apocalypse. Shotgun Apocalypse and then later Watching the Watchers. Yeah,

oh dude, we were fourteen and fifteen. I think when we came up with that name. That was that was before Watching the Watchers was actually a thing. Shotgun Apocalypse was actually our first idea, and dude, it was like at the time it was all zombie movies and The Walking Devil was coming out and we were like, Shopocolse, it's cool exactly. Yeah, the Zombie EP had come out from Devil's Product, their best work. We had Shotgun Apocalypse and by the way, most of these projects never even recorded

a single thing. We we would record like half a song and then or just talk about it or just talking about we were kids ideas. Yeah, it was great. We were just little kids exactly. Well. There was also we we like for a day, we had a band with Warren Exalt the Fallen Xalt the Fallen, and we recorded half of a song YEP, and it never went anywhere. I was technically in a band with Chris Fox shout out Chris Fox and Kevin Fox. True technically I was in a band

with them once, but I never recorded anything. So we always like we always like wanted to do it. We dreamed about it. Yeah, we desired it. We never like knew how to commit to it. We never knew how to make it like sound right or sound good or whatever, and so it just like it never really came together. But anyway, yeah, when when uh, when we were recording the vocals for This Day's Reckoning, I told Ryan, I was like, you can't be in the room. I was like, I was, I don't think I was at the house.

No, I was there. I was there. I was in the living room. Yeah, I was like yeah, I was like yeah, yeah, I just felt like nerve. Yeah it is. It is like just really weird for for whatever reason. But you know, this time around, I'm like, I don't give a shit, I'll do whatever. But um, yeah, So I thought it would be cool to, uh to rattle off some of our favorite metal bands so that people can get the general

vibe, like now or all time all time. Okay, yeah, I'm gonna let's let's try to each throw out three of our like all time favorite and we can go one by one or that's tough, Yeah, let me go last or second. I'll go first. The band that I would say the band that I was first into that kind of brought me into the metal world was kill Switch Engage. Yeah. So for those of you that don't know kill Switch Engage, they're like what would you call them? They're like,

I would say, like typical metalcore or like metal. That's a good voice. It's very operatic. Yeah yeah, maybe like melodic metal. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, melodic metal, but you know what, it's very pretty yeah, you know, harmonies and yeah, and I think the thing that probably drew me to them the most was their Their lyrics were always so positive and uplifting and like empowering. It wasn't Christian technically, but it was like

kind of like that positive and happy ending also spiritual. Now knowing what I know about like esotericism and you know this kind of stuff, going back and listening to their lyrics, it's like some of it is very mystical, like it's it's more on the mystical side than the Christian side. So anyway,

Um, Jemmy, you have one in mind. Um, it's hard to narrow it down to three because it's like several stages of my life, this one, like this band that meant so much to me and like it still does, like at that point in my life and at this point in my life and that. But if I had to say, like the first band that gripped me into the genre, they really like the cemented it for me,

the metal was my jam. It was August byrend Red, Let's definitely, but there's a few others before that, but August Brendred was the first. Like Okay, that's that's good, that's that's that's good. So if we're going by like that first band, the most and reactful. Yeah, that like hooked you into the genre. For me, it was Devil War's product. That's that's awesome. You know what's funny. You'll you'll remember this, I'm sure at first, like when when we all first started hanging out,

I hate August Burns Read and Devil Wors. Yeah you did. I was all like me, me, me, me, me, me me. I don't know why I was knob Yeah, it was something like that. I was like, oh, dude, the production is not as good as Engage or like you know whatever stupid gripe I had with it. But like very quickly I got over that, and I was like, you know

what, this kind of actually slaps hard, you know. I remember we were at uh we were swimming at my house one time and we had speakers around the pool and uh we Dad had like a thing where we could hook our iPods into it, and Ryan was playing I think it was August Burns Red and I was like, it's this August Ones Red and he was like yeah, and I was like, okay, that's pretty good. This is

pretty pope. Burns Red was my second one, and August Burns Read and like the drumming, you know, and the style of it was was what inspired me to actually learn the instrument, right, you know, what was it about August Burns read that really gripped you, Jeremy, do you remember the camera? His name Jake the front? His vocals aren't like composure blew my mind when I first heard that. Did you hear the remake of it? No, dude? They remade composure and whitewashed like wash was also like

last year, really yeah, and find that it's cool. It's just like updated, um like you know, sound like the production is higher quality, but they re recorded it. They didn't just like so it's like, you know, as his vocals change over the years and it's gonna but also different. Originally August Burns read their first two albums, Messengers and Constellations, it was all drop C tuning on the guitar. When they redid them, they're in drop B, which is lower, so it sounds a little heavy.

It's like had albums before that. Yeah, what was that one call it called Thrills the Elephant I don't know, but the other one was yeah yeah, oh yeah, so three albums because that one was also Elephant one was like an EP thing, I think, yeah, and it was like way heavier and different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a very different real seeker slaps. It's good. Um okay. So what really drew you

into devil Wors product then? Oh? Um okay. So like before I got into I got into Devilor's product when I was a freshman in high school, and like before that, I already kind of liked this kind of music, but I felt like I wasn't at a level of maturity to to I don't know, like you know, as you get older sometimes, especially as a young kid, you get hooked to things and you grow up and then

like you know how teenagers are, they get obsessed with things. Yeah, And like I liked bands before that, like I Killed the prom Queen. I liked Suicide Silence when I was twelve, and like really heavy stuff. But I think when I heard the devil Wors product, it was the singing, it was the heaviness of it. It was the vocals with Mikeronica. It was the first time I had heard somebody in one band do like really

good highs and really good low stings, and the singing was fired. And it was a Christian band you know, so like I you know, I had all that Christian gil as a kid, and I felt like I needed to listen to more Christian music. Yeah something about it, man, Like it was just so good. It like I used to literally go to sleep playing that album every night. Was the first thing you heard from them Plagues? Yes? Oh nice? Yes, I mean that was you showed me

it was so good. Oh yeah, I think it was Goats on a Boat was the first time I heard, and I was like, this is amazing. I like the other the second album, the Roots above. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's there. Yeah that office reference in there too, assistant to the regional manager. Yeah, nobum hard album is a masterpiece. Yeah, I think though what you said earlier. Their peak was the

Zombie EP. Absolutely yeah. It was like the perfect blend of the heaviest parts of Devilwars Prada and also like the really cool but somehow eerie like clean vocals. I just remember playing like multiplayer Left or Dead as the Berserk or to that, just like, yeah, yes, left for Dead while listened

to the Zombie people. Oh, I know what it is. More specifically, the singing in the Plagues album was more like emo music at the time, because dude, this was like two thousand and seven when everything was Panic at the disco and all this emo you know, like Chemical, all the Yeah, fall Out Boy, all this stuff was so popular and we're singing it on MTV and then it was the first time I heard that done really well, like in a heavy metal band. It just blew my mind.

Blew my mind. So I think my next one would be I'm gonna give an honorable mention to what was me because they honestly much Yeah, they honestly changed my outlook on metal too. They threw a wrench in it, and we're like, this can be it because they are. They were so blue, no rules exactly. It doesn't have to be rough and tough. It's like, yeah, it was like really pretty, really groovy. Yeah, and the vocals reminded me of like Backstreet Boys. Yes, you know what,

I like Michael Jackson and really found a gig of talented vocalist. Oh for sure, but Chris Carter, not Tyler Tyler Carter. Yeah, like you're saying, like at that point, up to that point, it felt like most metal bands the clean vocals were like emo very yeah, yeah, yeah, not a bad way, but that's yell yes you know, and

I love still all that. Yeah, it's still very good. But yeah, when they came out and had that like that, like Michael Jackson like backstreet pop, yeah, I was like, you can do that and make heavy music. Yeah. So anyway, that was an honorable mission. My actual second one, though is Periphery. Periphery that I feel like that's your

all time paper though it maybe it honestly may be. Periphery was just like that was my first introduction to what is called gent yea or like progue metal, which is you know, it's complex, it's groovy, it's like I don't even know if I would call it like heavy. I mean it is heavy, but maybe a better word would be like aggressive. It's like really tight and fast and it's it's like powerful, but it's like complex. They

had all these crazy melodies. The singer from Periphery is also very operatic, like Howard Jones from kill Switch Engage, so that kind of helped me be like, oh he sings like Howard Jones. That's sick. And they have influenced me a ton, So, I mean from the guitars, they have like everybody in the band is like the best at what they do. Oh yeah, the Periphery. Periphery is one of those bands to me, like Animals as leaders that they they're like their talent is on one and it's borderline

impossible to replicate. Yeah, it's like I don't even try, don't even try. They're on a category of throne. Yeah, they really are. But like Matt halper and the drummer is unbelievably good and fun. Fact, that's the sample we use. Oh yeah, that's the Matt Halpern music. That's our our drums because Ryan has this amazing electric drum set that's so sick and you can you can like pull other drum sounds to put it in there

so that when he hits the drum it makes that sound. So we actually bought um, yeah, Matt Halpern's like sample kit and that's what we use on the Twice Born EP. Yeah. Yeah, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, um but yeah, anyway, that's mine. You got another one, Jeremy, Um, I want to give an honorable mention to what led me to August bring Red was all that remains, Yes, dude, I forgot about them though. Yeah, but that's all that great honorable mention

two weeks, dude, that song two weeks. I remember the first time I heard this calling that dude that. That was the first time I heard a chorus with like sixteenth notes double yes. I was like, you can do that in a chorus? Like what, Yeah, that's a that's a fantastic honorable mention. Weren't they in the then they have a track on Saw. Yes, I saw two or three years, Yes, the movie Saw. I think it was two weeks. It was I that or this callin Yeah, it was one of those. But my number two is ah is

Parkway Drive. Parkway Drive is probably like and it dominated my high school. I really liked eleventh grade, twelfth grade. I really liked. In the eighth grade, when I was really getting in the middle, I really liked. I liked um damn. What's the name of that band? Was it? Acacia Strain? No? I never liked them, never liked them. I just never got into them. I liked all the remains I liked. I killed the prom Queen. I don't know if y'all remember that, I

do, I don't. I don't know. They're pretty good. I never listened to it. And I really got into all shall Parish Parish. Oh my bitter end, my bitter end, my bitter end. Yeah, I don't know, they're good. You also liked as blunder on the Black Dude. That was later in the school when I was older. Oh yeah, yeah. No. Parkway Drive. Oh interestingly, Parkway Drive, their first like three albums were recorded by the Good They were produced by the guitarists from

kil Starch Engage really Adam d Yeah, he produced him. That's probably why I liked him so much. Yeah, they're they're they're sick. They were. They were probably the first band that where I like really leveled up the heaviness you know what I mean, because they're like personally intertaste, yes, whenever like that. Okay, august Burn Dread was pulled me into the genre,

like sucked me into it. There's a lot more that I liked, but um, Parkway Drive was the first time I heard a vocalist that I thought like, if I ever could do that, I wouldn't want to sound like that. Dad. That was the first. Yeah, that was good. That blew my mind. So let's move on from like past um, what about now? Yea like now like as adults. It's like where we're at now, that's where I was gonna go next with hard and it's ezy

honorable mention. I am abomination love them, oh yeah so much. They are so cool, mystical lyrics amazing, their music never ages never, It's just as good now as it was when we were fifteen. I love that band. But my third, my current obsession and a band that completely changed my outlook on music in general. Tony Danza tap Dance Extravaganza. Yep, that's a long name. It's the band is called the Tony Danza tap Dance

Extravaganza. They're amazing. Yeah, they they're They're a mold breaking band that you know. That's I've been realizing recently, like one of my biggest draws to music, something that really pulls me in. It can it can? You know? This can be present in any genre, any genre of music, but you have to surprise me. You you gotta, I gotta not

be able to see it coming or not bore me. Yeah, sure, absolutely, Yeah, there are exceptions for sure, But like if I'm gonna be like really obsessed with music, like a you know, a band or an artist, you gotta you gotta give me something I haven't heard before, right, or even if it's something I've heard before, just just spin it in a way that I wasn't expecting, or throw it into a place I wasn't expecting, or something to that effect. And like Danza, like they

they started that for me. You know, you showed me them in high school and I was like, how are they? You know that? You know the honestly, I have an honorable mention shout out our cousin Grayson, Yeah, Warren's older brother, because when we were all little kids in middle school, Grayson was getting into this music and he put me on all of this stuff when I was in middle school, and like, dude, he

expanded my little adolescent mind. He showed me Danza, He showed me kills which Engage Devils, Prada, I killed the prom queen Um, maybe Parkway Drive, August Burn, he showed me all of it. Suicide Silence. He was just putting me onto silent, Civilian Silas Civilian. We were really into them when we were in like that's metal school, very first metal bands. Oh yeah, I just didn't bring it in and thing. Yeah, yeah, he put me onto one of my like all time favorite bands.

I'd say they're definitely in my top ten. Counterparts yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. He put me onto them. He was always just like a connoisseur of like all that. He's got great taste, he does when it comes to metal music. Yeah, yeah, I remember it was probably it was probably two thousand and nine or ten, and he was over and Kim and Warren were over and like, yo, have you heard Counterparts?

It was our first ever album, that one with the song about fallout on and I heard it and I was like death sick, that is sick. Yeah. Yeah, so honorable mention there, But um um you got a third modern day. It's really hard because, like I'm so torn. I've grown into instrumental metal music like Polifia and and intervals and intervals. You put me onto intervals like you know, J Richardson and stuff. But if if it's like like a traditional metal band, I would have to say it's one

between Um After the Burial or Borno Bessiris. Oh oh yeah, those are both incredible bands. I was kind of expecting you to say Veil of Maya because I love Bella Maya. Yeah yeah, but it kind of had like a vocalist change, and it kind of like it's doesn't it's just not the same. They're still really good. I feel like before the vocalists change was

like heavier. Yeah, for me, my taste was Pete Bro like Enter My Dreams is one of my favorite songs of all time, and like that album, the Eclipse album, and then the vocalists change, and I feel like they're still trying to figure out what they sound. But I still listen to their new music though, saying if they're new song they just came out, I can't remember the name of it, Flames. It's not Synth Way Vegan, is it it is? Oh? Yeah, they have like they

have like two or three more out since that. No, no, no, no, they have like two more out since Synth Vegan. Oh on a new album that's coming out this month, Let's go. I didn't know that they have more music since that. I was never super into them before, but starting with like Matriarch and going forward, yeah, I was like, oh, this is sick. But after the burial, oh my god,

they are so sick. Born of Osiris as well, but yeah, those are those are all very worthy of being mentioned for many many years. Born of Osiris was like, my very favorite band. They're so sick, very esoteric lyrics. By the way, Oh yeah, super Born of Osiris, right you right, similar to kind of aren't name? Yeah, yeah, oh, and I wanted to mention, by the way, the reason that I came up with the twice Born name was because of something that happened

with another band, y'all. Y'all remember hands Like Houses. They got their name from a Woe's Me song, So I was like, oh, that's cool and out of the box. They took like a lyric from one of their favorite bands and they did that. And then I wastening to Ivy and Wine by glass Cloud. God they should Honestly, Danza and glass Cloud are kind of the same slot for me because it's the same it's Joshua the same guy. Yeah, yeah, that's basically the same thing. That's really my

third slot. It's just Joshua Travis the guitarist. But anyway, um, I was listening to Ivy and Wine and he says twice Born in that song, and I was like, Oh, that's it. That's the name of the band. Like I got that idea because of the whole Hands Like Houses. Uh, what is me thing right? What's your third did I? I didn't even do my first modern one. I didn't do any of them. No, that's the third one, is the modern one. Oh oh Darko? Yeah? I love Darko, and I'll tell you why. There's

it's more than just because they sound so good. I was so inspired by Darko because, um, when I was a kid, like seventeen, I was obsessed with the movie Donnie Darko. I watched it like seven times, and I just I love that movie. And I remember I was on Reddit one day. And I don't really get on Reddit much anymore since we did

the podcast, I'm trying to do so many other social media's. But I was looking on like the um the Death Chord or something some some metal subreddit to discover new bands, and I saw somebody posted an article saying Emir drummer and Chelsea Grin vocalist form new duo project Darko, and I was like, WHOA. I loved Emyr as a kid, I didn't. I didn't really like Chelsea Grin as a kid because they scared me because they had like really

gory, you know, album covers. But I knew the band, and I like, you know, I knew they were a big deal, so I was like, Okay, that's cool. I want to check this out. And I turn on the song Insects. So the name got me. The drummer and the and the vocalist and the fact that it's just two people, and in my mind, I'm like, in my mind, I'm like,

this is what me and Nick are trying to do. So I turn it on and I heard one song by them, and it was so good it blew my mind knowing that it was all written and created by a drummer because Josh shout out Josh Miller from Darko, he is a drummer first, he's been playing guitar for like two years, three years, And it just blew my mind as a drummer, like this music is rhythmically driven, you know, and it's different, it sounds different. It just it just hooked

me. It just it changed my tastes, It changed my outlook on things, and it blew my mind. Yeah, No, they are. They are absolutely one of those like mind blowing, mold breaking bands. Like the first one I heard from them, I think was Dragon Chaser. Oh, which to this that's the most popular song, yeah, which I told Tom when he was here. I was like, that's that's my favorite song and he was like me too, obviously shout out Tom. Yes, the vocalist,

he's a very good friend of mine. We should be having him on the show very soon when he gets off tour. Yeah. But um yeah, actually that's funny. Little quick little side note. I had been fall them on Instagram and I reached out to Tom, the vocalist of Darko and I obviously in Chelsea Grin, but he really messes with Darko. Yeah, it's his baby, it's his little baby, you know, Chelseashi project, it's his passion project. And dude, the new Chelsea Grin stuff is amazing.

Anyway, So I reached out to him on Instagram, told him, Hey, I'd love to have you on our podcast. He sends me his phone number immediately through email and is like call me. Because I was like, you know, guest spot for Sick Conspiracy Podcast. I sent a message saying like, here's my dad, here's who I am. You can google it if you're interested. I would love to have you on our show. And within thirty minutes we're talking on the phone and we're finding him plane tickets.

Yeah, he flies out and we hit it off, dap it up. We hang out for like a week, has experiences and now we're like really good friends and it's mind blowing sometimes and I still can't process it. So honorable mention, Darko, Chelsea Grin True and here we are. Yeah, yeah, sure, so that's us geeking out about our our metal obsession for a minute. Now, now we're gonna throw a little curveball. So

we're gonna we're gonna talk about the EP. Now, we're sure we're gonna talk about We'll move on from all the yeah tastes and yeah, yeah, we're gonna talk about the Twice Born EP that just came out, uh last Friday. From when you're hearing this, Um, the EP is called Mythos. We knew, I mean, come on, you guys watched the show. We knew that this was all going to be dripping with esotericism and mysticism

and you know, all that cool stuff or whatever. But really early on we had I think it was because like you know, the name was called Twice Born. Um, the really the first song that we did, the first song that we made, which is the first song on the EP that you get guys, may have heard it's called Amethystos, And at that point I didn't know that we were going to make an entire EP out different gods from different mythologies, which, by the way, that is the theme of

the album. It's kind of a concept ep. Every song is about a different god from a different mythology. But at first, it was just like, oh, we're called twice born, let's make a song about Dionysus, the twice born son of Zeus. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's where the name comes from. Twice born is a title that was given to Dionysus because he was like born prematurely because his mother was killed by the Titans, I believe, and Zeus, you know who is Dionysus' father. Zeus wanted

him to survive, so he cut open his own thigh. Zeus did, and so Dionysus into it so that he could continue to grow, and then when he came out, he was like twice born, you know, he was born twice But anyway, we wanted to make a cool song about Dionysus, so I did some research about mythology, different stories about Dionysis and whatever, and I found this one super super interesting one about a woman named Amethystos.

And obviously that caught my eye immediately because amethysts, amethystals, crystal reverence, we haven't made one in like fifty episode crystal reference. They're back, baby, yes for this episode and this episode only now I'm kin but yeah, no, we you know, we'd been doing the podcast and I was like, you know, we'd been talking about crystals and all this stuff, and we'd been going to buy crystals and whatever, and I was like,

oh my god, there's a story about crystals with Dionysus. So that's what the song is actually about. What we're gonna do for the rest of the episode is we're gonna talk about each song and kind of the mythology behind each song, the symbolism behind each song, and maybe give you some little fun facts or whatever. So Amethistos it is the story of how the crystal amethyst came about in Greek mythology, And essentially the story is there was this like

acolyte or worshiper of the goddess Artemis, and her name was Amethistos. And if you don't know about the Greek god Artemis, one of her big like kind of champion traits or whatever is like celibacy is like like abstinence, you know, It's like it's kind of like keeping your power to yourself, you know, and through through doing that. And so in the myth, this acolyte, this Amethistos, she really she worships Artemis and she respects that about

Artemis that she abstains from, you know, her desires or whatever. She's celibate, she you know, so she wants to emulate that. She wants to be like Artemis. So in the myth, she's traveling through the woods and she's going to make an offering at an altar of Artemis. And on the road to the altar, Dionysus comes down from the heavens and he's basically like, yo, what up, you're hot? You want to give me a baby? And she's like, no, I'm good on that, Like

you get away from me. Because if you don't know about Dionysus, one of the things he is the god of is wine. He actually created wine in the myth, in Greek myth, so he's always drawn. Fun fact, real quick, we did talk about this on our Orphism episode. Check it out if you haven't seen it. It's just called orphism way back.

But the reason that the ancient Greeks called the crystal amethyst was because I believe the word amethystosman purple, right, And the wine at the time was traditionally from purple grape, so it was purple and they you know, Dionysus purple wine. Well that factors into the story. Oh okay, and it's also in the lyrics too. You guys can read the lyrics it. You know, each each song is like an actual myth from one of these characters for

the most part. Yeah, one exception, Yeah yeah we created yeah we did, we did um. But you know that comes into play. So anyway, she's going to make this offering. Dionysus comes down. He's all drunk, he's like trying to you know. He's like, I want to have a baby with you, blah blah blah, all this stuff. And she's like, I'm I'm good on that. I don't I worship the goddess

of the half moon, who is Artemis and so whatever. This infuriates Dionysius because he's got a big god ego like or you don't like me, you know whatever, and he tries to kill her. He's like you're going to regret that. Um um. He literally sends like tigers to kill her, and like he makes like the vines around her, like, yeah, tries to kill her. She's running from him, She's trying to run away and get away and whatever. And as she's running and he's chasing, she prays

to Artemis, like, save me. I can't, like, I don't want him to take this from me. I've been doing this for you. I've been like empowering myself in worship of you. Don't let him do this, you know, to me whatever, and Artemis in an effort to save because I think this is just speculation, Artemis, I feel like she was kind of like I can't take Dionysus. I don't think I could take him. You know, he's he's crazy, he's crazy powerful, which is true.

He's extremely powerful. So in an effort to save Amethystos's purity, she turns Amethistos into a courts statue. She's like, he can't get you if you're a if you're a giant crystal. She turns Amethistos into a courts statue. You're saved, yeah, and also did though, but but you're curious how did the purple come into play? This is how So when that happened, you know, Artemis kind of like scalded Dionysus and like, you know,

what the fuck's wrong with you? Why would you do this? Like she was trying to remain pure in worship of me, Like why would you try to take that away? Blah blah blah, all this stuff, and he was completely racked with guilt. It was like one of the first moments that Dionysus in Greek myth like kind of has a heart. It's where he starts. This story is kind of where he starts to go from like just

this drunken, rageful god into somebody who is more compassionate and whatever. So he was racked with grief because he's like, I did this, this is my fault. And so he took his flask off of his hip and he poured it on the statue and it turned purple. So I looked it up. The word amethystos translated from Greek from mefisco, meaning in intoxicate. So

that's where that's why they named the crystal. The ancient Greeks named amethyst because it's intoxicate, but it's the wine the purple wine of Dionysius, and worshippers of Dionysius would hold amethyst. So the name comes from a Dionysian reference. Yeah, I had it back. It doesn't mean purple it you know, that's sick. I mean, yeah, I didn't know that specific, yeah part, but yeah, So that was the story. That's the story of

Amethystos. And after we made Amethystos, then we were like, yo, what if every song on the EP is like a different god from a different mythology, and let's get real weird and esoteric with it. Yeah, let's make the title of every song the Greek name for a crystal. Let's follow the pattern. Let's let's make a pattern here. If we're going to call this one Amethystos, let's keep doing it before we move on to the next

song. I do want to say, for the name to me personally, the name twice born is three layers, which one of those layer is kind of undone. It's more than just a reference to Dionysus. But if you if you study you know, like the orphic interpretation of Dionysus, which is not just the we talked. I really want to reference to orphism episode here because it explains a lot of Dionysus in the symbolism behind it and what it actually meant to the ancient Greeks. And you had two versions of that.

You had the Hellenistic mainstream Greek religion, where like what we're talking about here, they had these myths and stories that weren't actually true, they were just

metaphors. Yeah. But then you had the Orphics, which were a secret society of enlightened Greek thinkers who understood the true meaning of these mysteries as esoteric metaphors, and Dionysus was more like a christlike figure, and their version of Dionysius was slightly different, and it was about reincarnation, you know, because Dionysus is struck down by the Titans or something like that, and then we talked about it in that episode. But they take the ashes of the Titans

and they reincarnate Dionysus and he's twice born again, Zacharius, remember. So to me, the name twice Bourne also is a reference to reincarnation because I believe, like I believe, reincarnation is the answer. It's the great truth that that people need to know to be able to function at a minimal level spiritually. And then the third thing is we were a duo. Yeah that is now undone, which which we're happy about. Yeah, and that's not a bad thing, but that was the other layer. Like twice Born,

there are two of us, yeah, you know anymore. You know what else is funny, Like we had been joking around about, like, dude, we should make another band with Jeremy and call it Tris Majistics. Yeah, because there's three of us. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's fine. It's our group chat for a hot minute. Yeah it was, yeah, and now it's twice Born. But it doesn't matter, you know exactly. It's cool. It's cool. We can have a song now because twice

Bourne has two meanings. Yeah, and it's still two people making the music right, with a vocalist the vocalist coming in engracing us with he he's the he's he's orpheus bro. He's the one like telling the poems. Well, it's like that band was born twice Oh okay, okay, yeah, And a little comment to the thing that you were saying about Zagrius. There is a line in Amethystos you guys should look out for if you listen. Well, it's a. It's Nanus calls me Zagreus, Diodorus calls me Sebasius because

that was another name. And then the third one is there are those who call me Bacchus because the Romans called him Bacchus, called Dionysus Bacchus. And then it says, but you may call me Dionysus. And then that's like the breakdown, you know. Yeah, so yeah, that's that's Amethistos, the second one that we released and which is also the second one on the album UM. Well sorry, it was the first song we released, but it's the second song on the album Covalini's Um. A lot of people thought

it was about four Yeah, and we just let them. Yeah, they thought it was about because there's all these like, you know, the lightning it talks about like storms and lightning, and kind of led them to it. I honestly, yeah a little bit. And and I kind of had a thought like I kind of want them to think that it's thor because then if they dig just a little deeper and say like, well, what about

these lines, what are these lines talking about? It would kind of send them down a rabbit hole where they'd be like maybe it's about there's Japanese symbols on the yeah yeah yeah, Um. But so Covalini's which is the Greek word for covlit um, which is so cool because it's just it's a crystal that is formed during lightning storms, which is why we chose that one. Um. That is actually about the Japanese thunder god Rygene, which shout out Naruto. Hey look, Naruto learned the fly. True he did. I

don't remember who he did it on. It might have been saske Um. But anyway, this is not the nar two episode, which will happen someday. Should Yeah, you're right, you're it should happen, and then of course down the line we gotta do a one piece episode with Jeremy. Anyway, So, so Rygen, this is the story of Um Covellini's. This is the story that I chose from Rygin's mythology. The story. It takes place in like feudal Japan, feudal Japanese kind of times, um on the

island of Tsushima, which goes to Sushima. That game is sick amazing game. Yeah have you played it? No? Oh, bro have a PlayStation? I never is it not on PC. I think it is now. I never finished it, but I've been dying to finish it because it is real. It's beautiful, it all bro. You can like you can like sit down in the grass and like play a flute and like say hikups. You can like it's it's so it's just like sitting hot springs and it's so

cool. Yeah. That was the last PS four exclusive, the last official PAS four title, and then PS five came out. Yeah, oh da, it's kind of legendary, but yeah, so it takes it takes place on the island of Tsushima. And the cool thing is this one is an actual, like real life story that kind of Japan wrote a mythology around so in the I want to say fourteen hundreds or so, it's around that time. I could be wrong on the timeframe, but um Tsushima was being attacked

by Mongols, by Mongol soldiers um like fleets of ships. It happened twice within like a two or three year span. They were attacked twice. Both times that they were attacked, the ships never even reached the island because they were destroyed by like record breaking tsunamis like like unbelievably huge tsunamis that just absolutely eviscerated all of the ships. And so the way that Japanese mythology or Japanese myth explains that is it's because of the thunder god Rygin. He saved them.

According to this that is called Shinto Shinto. That's their myth system. Oh, the religious myth system, right Shinto. So I looked into the myth of Rygin and I was reading about it, and there's this there's this cool character called like the God Breaker or the god the god Killer or something to that effect, who essentially locked Ryging in a prison for like hundreds of

years, like a really really long extended time. But then when when the Mongols came to attack, they were like, according to myth, they were like, well shit, what are we going to do about this? They completely outnumber us. How are we going to do? And they let Ryging out, which is why the lyric no chain can hold Me. That's why it's in the song no Changing, because he was he was chained and whatever, and you know, uh, he basically comes out of his prison.

He sees that there's fleets of ships coming to attack the island that worships him because they do they have statues of riding. They worship riding, and he's like, not on my watch. He's like, you're not about to come up here, and that's why that line is um uh what what? What? What was the line about? Like sheep? Oh? Oh, try

to take the sheep from my pulpit? Yeah, yeah, it's basically he he was like that was offensive to him, Like, oh, you're gonna come here and try to take the people that worshiped me less groove, you know what I mean. He's like, let's go, so let's let's just slightly shift gears for a second. So we haven't even talked about like what's

our sound like? So like, let's the reason we released Colini's first was because it's groovy, right, Yeah, it's upbeat, it's you know, got the Victor Wooten sample in there, and it makes people want to dance. Yeah, it's it's like it's different from most metal. Yeah yeah, yeah. I was scrolling. I was literally scrolling through TikTok and I saw a video of Victor Wooten. He's like, you don't dance because the key.

You dance because you dance at a groove. And I was like, I'm putting that in a song, and so that's that's where that part came from. But yeah, that was we talked a lot about like, what's the first song we're gonna release if we were thinking about Amethystos, but we were like, I don't know, whatever. But we were ultimately like, this is just this is just a jam, Like this is just such a

jam. It's not too heavy, you know it is, but it's not like too heavy where where you know, more people I feel like could get into it. Yeah, we kind of looked at it as one of our like like, it's very flashy and exciting, yeah, and we were like it's groovy. Yeah. We were basically just so into it that that's what we wanted to release first. Was that, um so yeah, I mean that's that's the story at Collinis. It's about Rygeen, it's not about Thor

but you know, good guests, hardcore team shout out. Now. This one's really exciting because this was where Jeremy came in. The next track on the EP was Katrini, which is about that one's super obvious because he says the all Father in the title it says Ragnarok and Gungner and yeah, Yeah, that the n exactly the Yoten's fall. Yeah, that one was like very straightforward. Um, but yeah, we we And the reason it's called Katrini, which, by the way, that's the Greek word for citrine,

which is a crystal that's associated with the worship of Odin. It's also one of my very favorite crystals and I when I I don't always wear crystal bracelets anymore lately because I have so many around me, but I wear a citrine bracelet when I choose to wear crystals. It's the crystal of abundance, positivity.

Oh. Another insting, little behind the scenes fact about Katrini is the week it might have even been like the day before or something, but the week that we released Katrini, I literally found in my step grandmother's backyard. I found a raw citrine. Wow, I remember that. I looked it up, I crossed, referenced all sorts of things I looked at, like what crystals are native to specifically like the boon Asheville area, you know, and citrine was one of the main ones. Because I was like, I

don't know what it is. It could be, it could be anything, but I did. I did probably an hour straight of just like finding out what it is, and it was Citrine. Dude, the great find. I know. The week that the Citrine song comes out, I didn't know that it was weird. I called you and I was like, bro, what you know? This is crazy? So that song, I'm gonna switch gears before we get into like the myth of it, you know, because

it is straightforward. I want to talk about Jeremy's involvement with So we had already like released Covalini's by that time. This conversation with Jeremy even being a feature in the first place was happening. And at this point, we had pretty much all of our songs recorded musically, like you know, we did

we did vocals last for everything. Yeah, yeah, we had demos to work with, like pretty fleshed out demos, and like I think at this point, all the drums, Yeah, we finished recording drums of January. So like at this point, all the drums were recorded, and we were talking about it, what song do we want to put Jeremy on. I think he'd be in my head, I'm mine. I think he'd be great on Ocianos, which happened anyway, and I thought about it. We knew

we were going to release Katrini next. I was like, bro, dude, like Jeremy can do that filthy thing, that that scream you know that you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, the snarls. Yes, Yes. Jeremy has a very like Laura Shore kind of style, which is like shout thank God. Yes, Laura Shore is one of those I don't I don't mess with, Like they're low key, like really dark vibes, but musically, yeah, they are peak filthy. They're filthy, They're amazing.

I don't I don't do what you will with that, but yeah, Jeremy kind of has a Lorner Store vibe in my opinion, and I was like, dude, at the end of the Ragnarok part of Katrini, that would be perfect to introduce Jeremy, you know, and you know, it's just so chaotic and Ragnarok is happening, and I've always kind of had this feeling. Jeremy has made comments to me throughout us just you know, being so

close and talking every day. He's always made comments to me. I feel like my archetype is the sage that sits in the wilderness and kind of like is on his own but then when he comes out, he's ready to pop. Yeah, and that's Odin. Well, dude, when we were talking, when we were talking about what song to put you on, I was like, when I look at Jeremy, I just feel Odin's presence, Like I just feel like you're right now. Well, really, that's what I

told him. I was like, he just like seems like Odin to me. That's cool. And so we did it. So what were what was your feeling about doing it when we first mentioned, like, yo, we want to have you on a song when we want to do it, Like, what was going through your head? Well? At first I was like obviously on board, you know, and like I was on board, but I was also apprehensive because I've never done that in front of anyone ever.

Just in like my car for a countless hours and I don't even hear it because it's drowned out by allow music in the windows down, you know. So I didn't really I had no basis to judge myself on. Yeah, So it was like just a good opportunity to try something new and you know, maybe learn something about myself. Yeah, to experience, like try and experience, try and just be creative. In a different respect than I have been my whole life. So I just jumped on the opportunity for sure,

but definitely was nervous. I love that though, Like You're like, I just want to try something new, and like you've always loved metal music and you've always made comments about how you want to try to, you know, do something with it. So okay, so where were your nerves like one to two in dude, they were pretty high. I mean it didn't show I have a great mask. Yeah, I put on a mask very well, but I was I was pretty nervous about it. Um Um. I would probably say, I'd say, like for me, what's a ten?

Is that like panic attack? Yes? Okay, I wasn't at a ten. I was probably had a solid six and that's that's high for me. Yeah, Like I've never had a full balln panic attack before. But you know, yeah, I was pretty freaking nervous. Really. Yeah, did it go away that day or was it? No? It went away,

Like it really went away after the second song. I had a similar feeling when we were recording Amethistos because that's the first song that I ever recorded live drums on, and I remember when we recorded that it took us like four hours of me trying to figure out what to do, what's right, And I still don't know if if you know, I still have that feeling of self doubt or whatever because I quit that, I know, but like but in that moment, I remember it was it was kind of major for me

because you said, you're awakening. You're awakening. Nick's been playing music in front of people your whole life pretty much. I haven't. Jerry had. I played at church, a little gospel music, a little you know, basic term pill when people start looking at me. Yeah, yeah, so like for it's a little harder for us to kind of like come out with that. And you know, so like I had a similar feeling recording Amethysts the first time. It's nerve wracking, it's new. Yeah, it's that's

definitely nerve wracking. But having you know, people are saying, like, hey, that was sick, you know, like dang, that was dope. Just just simple just that simple be it would be good enough for me to to keep going. Yeah. I always anytime I work with anybody recording music, it's like literally only positive vibes, like only positive vibes. And if you if I if you need to retake a line or something, I'll let you know. But like, I'm not gonna be like n I was

trash, let's do it again. I'm gonna be like, yo, you sound so sick. Maybe fun, Maybe let's try and spin it this way a little bit. Every time we record everything, it's fun. It doesn't matter what. Why you know, why that's so important is because music is a psychic medium. We talk about this all the time, and the way to really unlock that, in my opinion, is you have to be in like a state of joy and glee and like really fully comfort and peace your

music stuff, good vibes, your mood. Yes, yeah, good vibes for sure. Yeah good U so yeah. From the first take, everybody in the room, Ryan, Ryan, Me, Warren, we were all like our jaw was on the floor. When Jeremy did his first take, we were like yeah because Warren went first. Yeah right, yeah, we recorded a different song. I walked in the closet and I just had to put my I'm pretty sure I put a hood on. I just had to

hide hid in the closet. Hey man, we were all we were looking at each other like whoa a diamond and a rough Yeah, yeah, exactly, dude. It was so sick, And from that point I immediately was like, Jeremy need to be in the band. Real well, I'm down. I'm glad you loved it. I'm glad you really enjoyed doing it. And you know the fact that you were nervous the entire way through your first time and you still delivered such a sick performance is kind of mind blowing.

So I'm so stoked that you decided to give it a shot, because it's hard to like come out of your comfort zone try something new in front of a bunch of people, Like I've literally never done this before. I get let alone in front of people, recorded right for other people to hear. Okay, so I'm still sometimes in disbelief when I hear it. That's what I asked me, That's what I was gonna ask So when when you heard the song back after it was done, what was going through your head?

It wasn't you know how whenever you see a really something, like a really pretty woman, you have to do the double take. Yeah, I got that's me, Like, holy, I can find myself in the gym like like lift, like doing bicep curls to it and just yeah, like that's me than I can get. I can keep doing this. That's pretty cool. That's so sick. That's pretty cool. I love that. I appreciate

the opportunity. Oh my god, nude, are you kidding me? You you blessed our band with your year presence, and like it almost feels like it was kind of a missing piece. Yeah it does. Now, I really do feel I keep showering me with what is this? I honestly fully actually feel I'm not just saying that, like, because I've been so intimately making We've been so intimately making and hearing this music for over a year, and now that you're on it, it's like it really has more life.

It has more life. Yeah, it feels complete now. Uh So, I'm so glad that you decided to do it. No, I appreciate that because it's, like I said earlier, it's it's definitely something I can I can do and explore, explore more about myself that I've never had the opportunity. I've had the opportunity. That's Mom tried her hardest to get me in piano and other things. I just couldn't sit still long enough to do it. But fortunately I don't have to sit still. You don't scream and just

howl and I'm like, yeah, you can move all around. Yeah, that's a quick I just have energy. I want to get it out, you know now, Like that is a good way to do it. Yeah. Yeah, it feels kind of perfect. And as far as like the mythology slash symbology on this song, it's actually super simple. It's literally just the story of Ragnarok. It's it's from the perspective of Odin, and you know, he has all this weight on his shoulders of like he's the god

of God's, he's the all Father. You know, he feels this burden of like of taking care of his people and all this stuff. But also he's very selfishly like he doesn't want it all to go away because he feels like he hasn't figured everything out yet. You know, he's he's always he's like you said, he's the Sage. He's on this quest for infinite knowledge. It's like why he gave up his eye. He wants that knowledge of the future and the prophecies, and he's trying to figure out if he can

stop Ragnarok. Yeah, Yeah, that's the first line of the story. You can't stop destiny exactly. That's the moral of that song. The first line is eye for an eye, eye for infinite knowledge. You know. It's he gave his eye for infinite knowledge, and that infinite knowledge showed him like you gonna die. Everything's everybody's gonna die. You know, Ragnarok is

coming in. There's nothing you could do to stop it. So it talks about him exploring the world and reading all this esoteric mystical stuff and studying all these you know, mystery traditions and stuff to try to find a way to stop it, and he thinks he's getting somewhere, and then that last breakdown hits and it's like it was all for nothing. You're you're dead, like you can't you can't escape. It feels bad. It feels bad. Yeah. Um, so next upsis okay, which is all right, So this

is a fun one. So originally Nick's idea for this song, I don't know if you even remember this was low Ki. Yeah, and it was originally called Quicksilver. No, it was Fool's Gold, fools Gold, okay, the Greek translations, yeah, Pirithus. Originally it was going to be about Loki. But then when we made Katrine, I was like, oh, we can't have two Norse gods, so let's think of something else. Opsianos by the way, in Greek is that's Greek for obsidian, which a

black crystal. Yeah, it's a black like it's like magma glass or something. It's like, you know, yeah, it's like absorbing negativity. Yeah, And I was like, bro out of the box. What if we did something from the HP Lovecraft mythos not a real religious myth, but like you know, fictitious horror myth Yeah. Yeah, real quick, we're like kind of over time. Is that fine? Like can we just like go until we're done it? Let's just yeah, we'll just finish the songs and

then we'll wrap it up, all right, bet cool? So yeah, it was he was talking about the HP Lovecraft stuff and I was like, oh, man, that would be so sick, and so that became the theme. But interestingly, for whatever reason, this was by far the hardest song for me to write lyrically, because we haven't mentioned that yet, but I write all the lyrics and most of them come super easy. Kovalinis was like thirty minutes. I was done Amethistos. I rewrote it a couple of

times, but it didn't take me very long. A couple hours maybe Opecianos took me months and months. It took you up until the night before we recorded it, literally, which was Easter weekend. Yeah, it was like, I don't know why I couldn't find the right angle. I didn't you know, I knew what I wanted the song to kind of be about,

but I just could not figure it out for whatever reason. We had to like kind of storyboard that and kind of put our heads together and figure out because it's not based on an actual myth and there's like one hundred plus Lovecraft short stories. We can't just base it on one, and we really had a storyboard like what's the angle here. We landed on like not making it strictly about the call of Kutulu or one story, but making it more so of an homage to the mythos, so we're not in a box exactly.

I had thought about like making it about making it about dagon May. I've even thought about making it about Bloodborn, which you know is like in the in the vibe sort of, but I was like, it just none of this feels right or whatever. So I ended up writing a story like writing a myth sort of. And essentially the song the song is like, it's a warning. So yeah, let me say this really quick. Oh yeah, this song in the next two and then continue. These next three songs

are kind of like real messages. Yeah, that's that's what I wanted to say. Yeah, for sure, they have real messages to him. They have like morals that I want people to like take from them. The first three are more just like strictly myths that already exist, and then the last three are more like they have strong morals to them. So the moral of this one is the danger of dabbling in darkness, in dark energy, dark magicies, anything left hand path, darker could Yeah, it's it's a warning

essentially to to to that. And and essentially the story that I came up with is it's like this, this worshiper or this like cultists is acolyte is acolyte. Yeah, of of some lovecrafty and entity, some lovecrafty and horror, An Eldridge, Knight and Night with a Thousand Eyes, a cosmic guide yeah maybe, um, and and there are a worshippers and they've they've been doing this for a long time and they've been doing the rituals, they've been

doing the practices, that and the other. They've seen some things, but they don't feel like they have really gotten what they ventured out to get. They thought that they would get this obsessed with knowledge and seen beyond the veil exactly. They wanted like this proof that there's something bigger out There is no satisfaction in the darkness. It's always a lust for more. And yeah, there's never an end to it. It's it's endless and it's like no peace,

no yeah. Yeah. And so basically, you know, according to the myths of like Cuthulhu um Cthulhu will re emerge on Earth when the stars align in the right way. It's like a specific constellation something to that effect. So I kind of pulled from that and I made it like, Okay, so this this is happening on the day or the night of that star alignment. So they think, oh, it's time, it's it's going to

happen or whatever. So they're at this temple and they're they're performing, they're like ritual to to you know, to welcome this entity to Earth, which like you know, they don't truly know the intention of this entity. They just know that they're going to come and they're going to change the world and make it, you know, make it what they think is better or different or whatever, unlock some new power or knowledge or something to that effect.

And it's not happening. There the nothing's happening. You know, They're like doing everything they think they're supposed to do and nothing is happening. So this person who feels that they've had so much invested in this and they've sacrificed so much and they've given so much of themselves to this and is now not seeing anything, becomes enraged and frustrated and like feels betrayed and like, you know, they're really panicking and like why isn't this working? Why isn't this happening?

And as like a last ditch effort to just really try to make something happen, they decide to make a human sacrifice they want because you know, I actually pulled this from something we talked about on a bloods Senso episode which we were just like, I think it might have been the Valentine's Day episode. I was like asking, like, what's the deal with sacrifice like yeah, he been a whole bit. Yeah yeah, like we condemned sacrifice, yeah yeah, yeah yeah. I was just like like, why was that

ever a thing? And Ryan kind of explained like, well, it you know, it's it's like a huge influx of power. It's like a huge influx of energy, like's like a spiritual combustible. Yeah yeah, or the blood is yeah, you know, so people would do that during rituals as like a big explosion of energy to try to catalyze something. So I was like, huh, that's really dark and fucked up, but it's interesting. It's it's also believed that blood is a spiritual currency in these dark practices.

Yeah, so I was like, oh, okay, well then that would make sense to me. If this person is really desperate to do this and they know these occults, like these dark you know, magic occult things like that would make sense, like they would probably want to go to that link to try and make something happen. So that's where the line of the song Opsianos comes in. Sacrifice plunge the knife to catalyze the summoning of an eldritch Knight, a cosmic guide with a thousand eyes Behold the Long Night, because

they're desperate. They're just like ready, They're like I have to see something or you know, it's all been for nothing, and so they do it and then still nothing is happening. They're like, are you kidding me? Like this is all bullshit, it's not real, it's none of it must be real. I did everything I was supposed to do. I even did this to try and speed it up, to try everything to make this happen,

and it just didn't happen. And then the final like climax of the song, the big moment at the end is it worked and the entity appears and the I wouldn't call them a protagonist, but like the main character of this story is like instantly filled with dread and regret and they're going insane. It's pulling their sanity. Big thing and the Lovecraft stories is when they see these entities that drives them to insanity. Yeah, and they had actually already

been slowly going mad or insane. There are some lines before that where they're having like hearing voices and you know, their vision is changing and weird stuff like that. But when this happens, when the being emerges, it's what what is the line something about all I see is cosmic horror. No, just prior to that, it's something just the veil. Yeah, I gotta think about it. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, then the veil begins to fall, or as the veil begins to fall, how am I forgetting my

own lyrics? Oh? But then it's like consciousness is wearing thin uh that like, or consciousness is leaving me. That's what it was. Consciousness is leaving me because like they're literally it's like it's almost like they're on a DMT trip. It's so so uneffable. Yeah, and they're just freaking out, and so consciousness is leaving me, leaving me until all I see Now there

are two lines. And all six of these songs that I wrote only because they came to me as downloads, and I was talking to Nick and I was like, for each song, I was like, Yo, this came to me, If you can use it, that'd be cool. And it was it was. And here's the thing. Another thing about the way I make music is one I got this from Rick Rubin. Number one, you try every idea, try everything. And number two, my philosophy was if Ryan gets something, if something comes to him it's for a reason. It's

for a reason. So both times you came to me, I was like, yeah, I'm putting it in. So it just came to me immediately. I can't like write all lyrics and all that, because there's a lot more to it than just writing poetry. There's vocal patterns, there's keen. It's yeah, it's not simple. And it came to me. All I see is cosmic horror. And in my mind it was like Cthulhu or some

eldritch deity rising from the depths. Usually they come out of the water, you know in Lovecraft stories, and it was the person going mad and all they see is cosmic horror. This song is called cosmic horror. We have a Bledso setso episode calls the Cosmic Horror, which I highly recommend people watch.

If you're listening to this and this tickles your pickle and you haven't heard that ever yet, and hey mature, okay, okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, but no, but like I just I have, we have this fascination with cosmic horror and that phrase is just so sexy. Yeah you know what I mean? And all I see is cosmic horror.

You know what I mean, like, and originally it was just going to be that line repeating, but I was like, it would be cool to put a little spin, made it like fifteen thousand times with what it became.

Yeah, So it's like consciousness is leaving me, leaving me until all I see and then it's like this, and it goes into the final chaotic part of the song where it's me and Jeremy both screaming at the same time, because for the rest of the song it's like back and forth, me then Jeremy, then me, then Jeremy then me, And the last line is, uh, it's all I see is cosmic horror trapped within a realm of torture. All I see is cosmic horror betrayed by the great defrauder.

So it was like I wanted it. I wanted to really drive home that, like this person is feeling betrayed, like they they put all their faith and all their stuff into this and they just completely got fucked by it, like they they should never have messed with the dark side of things, you know. So that's like the final line. But Jeremy and I had so much fun recording, had a lot of fun. Let me ask you this. So when we started recording that one, were you nervous. Yeah,

yeah, like I said earlier, like the nerves kind of Uh. They they subsided after that recording, after us be on us. And at that point is when I texted Ryan said, hey, yeah, I could probably do that in front of a crowd. You know, I could do that. It wasn't that bad. We were We recorded those vocals in my living room, right, We like set the mic up, like literally the mic the Jeremy's using right now. We said that Mike, that's the These are the mics that we used to record the vocals. We set it up in

the living room when we did it. Yeah, I just feel so bad for your neighbors. Yeah, there's daytime, there's no quiet hours during the day. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. We had a blast doing that one. Yeah, and um, I want to know, like what are they doing? Yeah, it is a horror song, so it's it's definitely like probably the heaviest it's Yeah, definitely, it's like the scariest vibe. I love horror films. I love scary music. I don't like when it actually

has a dark message. Because I'm older now, I'm mature, I'm spiritually wiser, and I don't like I like positive, uplifting lyrics, but I like that sound sound. You know, I'm drawn to it. That was why I love horror movies. Yeah, that was kind of the whole point.

Like I knew going into this, like none of these lyrics are going to be promoting anything dark because that's not what we're could harm people's contents because that's real man, like what you put out to people and subconscious programming, and like that's yeah, I'm glad that. I was like, if we're gonna do a dark, scary song, it needs to be about the like staying away from the dark one, right, and that and I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm you know me, man, I'm

not. I'm I'm not. I'm positive vibes only. Well, I mean, I just I appreciate the fact that we can do that, but like feel like it's for a point. Yeah you know what I mean, we you know, like Mace Windu, like we can dabble in it, but like, you know, don't mess with that. Trust me, I've been there, so you don't want to go there. Yeah for sure. So the next song, uh uh is like it kind of became like our friends and families. It's the super band. It's the super band. It's called

Alex Is even on it. Yeah, alex Is on that song. Uh. And also shout out Alex. I told him I needed a bass and he just like went and found one and bought it for us. And I was that was like that came in clutch big time. So big shout out to you, Alex. That was very very kind of thanks Alex. And it sounds amazing. That bass sounds so good. Um. But anyway, this one's called smaragd. Uh. Smaragd is the Greek word for emerald. And um, now what myth popularly is associated with emeralds maybe chuck too.

That's not a myth, that's real, that's reality. The Emerald Tablets of thought. Yes, the Emerald Tablets of Thought. Um. So, originally it was just gonna be called it was just gonna be about thought. But during the making of it and stuff, and during writing the lyrics and everything, I was like, but what if it was actually about Hermi's mercurious thought, like Hermi's tris majistics, you know, And so it's it's about thought,

but it's it's more specifically about like the real esoteric literature. Yeah, this is probably the most like mystical esoteric song on the album. It's extremely Oh and this is the other line that Ryan came up with the other download that he had. He just like because originally we were like, I was like, dude, you should try to write the lyrics for one of the songs, and he was just kind of having a hard time with it. But he came up with this one, really really juicy, awesome line,

which is the first line in the song. It's the very first lyric, which is I came in the form of a man, wisdom revealed through my hands. Yeah, and it's the story of Thought or Hermes and the Greek or Mercury and Roman are believed to be these you know, metaphorical gods or whatever. But in the real ancient esoteric past. People who've listened to Bloods said so for two years now know exactly what we're talking about. It was

a real person. But this is what the Mason's talk about. The Rosicrucians, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, all of these secret society groups that you know are in the know, and these wisdom traditions. They know that this is a real thing. There was a sage that came and revealed the tablets or the knowledge of Yeah, the tablets refer to him as Thought the Atlantean. Right, Yeah, it's the wisdom of Atlantis. Yeah. So the song is essentially it's less of a myth and it's I mean it

kind of is it's about that. It's about you know, Hermes or Thought the Atlantean. Uh, kind of like coming back to Earth. And that's the other lyric. It says, Um came in the form of a man, wisdom revealed through my hands, traveled here from a far away land, as I have done again and again, because he's reincarnated as the stages, through the ages exactly. Yeah, he's coming back, you know. So he he brings them the knowledge Um the gnosis, which is also in the

in the song Um. And and it's essentially just the story of like the collective consciousness of Um, detachment from materialism, of growing your spirit. One of the lyrics is um, I speak in tongues of fire, spirit reaching ever higher, better things are to transpire. It's it's all about like raising your vibration, focusing on spirituality, versus materialism, that kind of stuff.

And then um, also, Emily's on the song. Oh yeah. If you guys heard those beautiful, amazing like Egyptian sounding like the singing at the beginning and the end of the track, that's Emily um Warren, who you guys probably saw his episode. We had the whole freaking blast. Every past on the song. Everybody in our Buddy Raven is on Raven got out, Raven even on it, right yeah, Ryan and I don't leave a scream. Jeremy's on it because when we started doing it, we were like,

screw it, let's just get everybody to try it out. Let's just like the Rainbow song exactly. Yeah, everybody's on there. Um yeah, and as above so below is in it. Yeah, the lyric is as above so Below. From within we begin to grow. It's it's all about this esoteric knowledge. And then the final thing that it drives home. The final lyric is fall into the infinite cycle, fall before or is fall into the cycle, fall before the Infinite Cycle, And it's basically just like let go.

You're gonna reincarnate over and over and over until you figure it out, so you might as well just fall into it, just fall into the infinite cycle. Lego, let go, let go. That's that's the final like lyric of the of the song or whatever. So that's Smaragdi. It was. It was I love it. I love all these songs. They are all you know, I'm so attached to him. And the last one, the last track on the album. Um it was another one that went through

many iterations. The song is called Rose the Mother, and originally I mean it's it's it's really about the divine feminine. We were kind of thinking like, maybe it's about like venus or maybe which kind of is what it is. It's it's sort of about venus. Maybe it's about aphrodity, maybe it's you know, who, is it about whatever, And we kind of landed on it's just it's about the divine feminine. Now something really interesting happened though.

Um So. Also Rose is Rose courts. You know, it's literally called rose in Greek, so it is. It's kind of the least interesting title, but it's one of the coolest songs. I wrote this song front to back five times, like instrument, lyrics, everything. I kept doing it over and over and over because it just wasn't right. For whatever reason, it didn't sound right, it didn't feel right. I would literally follow a thread all the way to the end and then just be like, no,

that's not it. That's not I don't know why, but that's not it. We knew, being that this song was about the mother or the divine feminine, that this was going to be our quote unquote soft song, which like, we don't we don't, yeah, we don't have soft songs. There's no soft song on the album, but it's pretty. Yeah. We knew it was going to be the pretty one. Yeah, And so you know, I was writing it and then they were it was just the wrong vibe. It just it never was right. And I had the idea

like, oh well, maybe let's get like weird with it. Maybe let's get it can be melodic and pretty, but let's also make it like irregular and weird, so it's a weird time signature and all this stuff. The music is, it is what it is. But the interesting thing that happened was with the lyrics, because this was another one that I felt I had to write it. Like I said, I wrote it five different times, and for whatever reason, on the last one, I just I just started

getting downloads. Oh, by the way, this entire EP is downloads. Like the music is all literally just it would it would just come to me, I would hear it, I would record it. It was downloads. These lyrics, Uh, they just started flowing out of me. And I just wrote it and I wrote it, and I wrote it fairly quickly, and then I kind of sat back and read the lyrics at the end and

I was like, this is about Ryan's dad. I was like, this is this is not this isn't even about like a specific goddess or entity or I was like, this is literally about Ryan's dad. Now here's the funny thing. This is not anything that has ever said to me yet. No, but didn't you didn't know that. I didn't know that. But this is what I wished it would be because of the lady. But I never told you that, did I did you? Did? You told me? You were like, maybe one of them could be about like the lady and

my dad and all this stuff. And I was like, I mean maybe, but we're trying to do like the mythology thing or whatever. But it it but let it go. Yeah, And it had to be that way. It had to. It just came through me that way, So you don't you don't know the lyrics yet. I really I haven't heard the lyrics, right, Yeah, that's the last one. We're recording this before the album is out, but you guys, you know it's coming out just after

the album is out. But the lyrics are about someone. The protagonist a man who is at his wits end. He's desperate, he's he feels like he is spread thin. That's one of the lyrics is um spread thin. The dissonance is imminent, I'm feckless, summing up to nothingness. He's like he just feels worthless. He's like, I just can't do it anymore. And then the lyric is I know what if I grow? I know what

if I grow? But what if I don't. It's like he's like just full of doubt and he doesn't know where he's at in life, and he feels like a failure and he's just so down on himself. The chorus is the lyric is it's all too much. It's become a trudge, sing me to sleep because he just wants it to be over. He just he's done, he doesn't want it anymore. It's too much. It's all too much for him. He's over it. He wants to die, he really he does, and then, in that moment of desperation, that final cry out

like sing me to sleep, finish it. I'm done. The Lady appears before him and tells him you can't stop. This is too important. You're too important. You're worth it. You're you're a being of light, You're a being of love. The you know you're you haven't failed anything. You haven't failed at anything, because your true mission is to spread love and light.

So you just keep doing what you're doing and it's gonna work, it's going to come together, it's it's all gonna be fine, and you know it's the The protagonist is like gripping with that, like uh okay, so what does this mean? Like what am I supposed to do with this information? Like what you know? And it's still kind of having like it's very encouraged by this, but it's still like why me, Like why why me?

Why does this matter? Why you know whatever, and is continuing to be encouraged by the Lady, the mother, the divine feminine, and is reinforcing like I'm telling you, like this is too important for you to give up. You can't give up. I won't let you give up, Like you're too important to me, Like you're not allowed to give up. Uh. And and in the end he realizes it. You know when it gets like super heavy at the end, that's because he's still grappling with like,

yeah, but why me, why what is this all about? And she's like, I'm telling you you have a job to do. Get out there, shut up, don't be down on yourself. This is too important. Like that's that's where that really really heavy part is. And then and the big crescendo, the big finish of the song is this really like equal parts beautiful. It's it brings it back to the chorus, but it's like a heavier version of the chorus. And it's because the protagonist is finally filled with

power and drive and they get it. They finally get it. And dude, I was freaking out when I read it because I was like, I did not mean for this to be about the lady or Chris Bledsoe, but it is. You almost made me cry there, Dude. It didn't. It wasn't me, man, I didn't. It just came through me. All. This is my first time hearing any of this. Yeah. Yeah,

like over six months ago. I was like, dude, to be cool for we made about the Lady and he was like, I kind of want to make about Venus and I was like, respect, Like that's totally cool. Yeah, I've been saving this information for this episode. That's amazing. I'm glad you did. Yeah. I never now, I really I really can't wait to hear the finished product now, which by the time this

is out, I will yeah. You know. So we're recording like three weeks before this episode airs or something like that, and we have like the finishing touches to put on it right now in the present. So literally it's exciting. I'll have the full EP completely done and submitted in the next like seventy two hours. Like It'll be amazing. It'll be done like in the next three days. I need like six hours of work and it's done. It's badass amazing. I'm super excited. But yeah, that was just I

didn't expect it. I didn't see that coming. I didn't intend for that. It just happened. Wow, it just came out like that, and it was about like that, oh yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, And um so so that's that's the whole that's the whole album, that's mythos. That's a great place to end it, I think, yeah, and um so that that's the last. So for those out there who enjoyed this, thank you very much. Please follow our twice born

socials. I think on Instagram it's twice born band. Let me confirm that it is twice born band. Okay, twice born band. Um, you'll know it's us. It's it's also if you follow me on Instagram personally, you'll see a link in there and make it easier for you check us out. Um, if you're not really into metal music but you want to support us, tell your friends who are in the metal music. Yeah. Yeah, it's not for everybody. We know that of course, but it's our

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yeah, tell your friends about it. We put a lot of love, a lot of work into this, and we're stoked on it and we're about to get to work on whatever the next project is, which mister Jeremy Bledsoe is gonna be front manning. He's gonna be taking the lead, which that's gonna be so fun because he hasn't been in the room and we recorded instruments yet. Oh yeah, that's the other wait for that. We're going to do it all with you there because we need your energy. Yeah,

looking forward to it. I have a lot of energy to get. We need you to be like an antenna. I promise you. You haven't experienced this yet. It's fun when you've already recorded your parts and then you go to another session and you're just on the couch chilling while everyone else works. Yeah, it is. It's so fun, like watching all vehicles because I know, because you always work because you're the producer. Yeah, but like like which is fun for me though, Yeah, for sure, it's all

fun. Yeah, but like dude, just sitting there on the couch watching our record vocals, I'm just chilling, drinking a little monster or something. I live in the life. It's it's so fun. Thank you. Guys for listening. I know this isn't our typical, you know, usual episode, but this is very real to us. You know, we're just having fun with it. So and thanks to Jeremy for joining the band and making it. Thanks for an invite. You giving me a voice, Dude,

you had the voice I think you gave us. Well, you're welcome. All right, let's do it, all right. I hold on with the Bay guys to one. Bye bye,