A weird thing happened in the backyard. Weird, weird. Wow, guys, it's been a while we haven't recorded, and maybe like a month. I would love to know how my boys are doing. How are you doing, Ryan, I'm doing good. How the last few weeks been good? Honestly? I mean just been doing you know, the book club for a few weeks. Oh right, finally wrap that up so I'll talk about it. I wasn't able to make it to any of them. You guys did three in a row, right, every Thursday, three weeks in a row.
It was actually really cool. It was um I did not expect this, but it was like as far as like the live Patreon events that we do, it was our biggest turnout. Yeah, it was like fifty Yeah, we had forty eight people too. I think the first one or the second one we had like forty five, and then the last one we did was like thirty seven, which you know that doesn't sound like a lot, you know, yeah, yeah, but I mean for a book club. Yeah, like you know, in the chat room we're all talking, you
know, real people. Just it was fun, man, it was a lot of fun. It was really cool. I love that I looked in a couple of times because like, you know, either I was out of town or what I was doing something, but I would I would like check in whenever I could, and like bro y'all were on there for like seven hours sometimes some nights till three am, the other the other night until the second two nights was till midnight, and then the first one was till like
three thirty in the morning. Finally my wife was like, come on, dude, go to bed. I worked the next day, but yeah, I was awesome. I imagine that y'all. Probably there's no way you talked about the book the entire time. No, it didn't the first the first night. So for those who don't know, we you know, we did this book club thing for three weeks in a row. Obviously, my dad
published a book. If you guys, yep, if you're not like super into social media, maybe you're like just you know, hopping in on this episode and it's been a while. Dad just published a book, and um, I thought it'd be cool to like have a three week event where we discussed like nine to ten chapters at a time, because you know, there's twenty nine chapters. So some weeks or nine some weeks or ten, and
um, it was awesome, dude. It's like, you know, imagine, imagine, you know, your life story being published in a book, and then you hop in there and you talk to basically fifty people and they're just like pouring out their heart about how much they love the book. Like it's it's a unique experience. It was really like kind of mind bending for me. And um, it was fun, man. And it was like it was honestly like I could have I could have done them for twenty four
hours. Yeah, if it wasn't like, Okay, I gotta go to bed at some point, you know. So, I mean, I imagine it's got to feel so like cathartic. It's got to feel so good, just I was saying. The first week we did the first ten chapters, and then the second week, my sister, who was in you know most nights, shout out Amy, shout out Emmy. My sister hops in. She thought it'd be funny because my sister lives next door to my mom and dad. She thought it'd be funny to pop that on there and say hello
real quick. And then he realizes what's going on. He takes her phone and stays on till midnight. Oh so, like fifty people were just like chilling and talking with my mom and my dad and it was it was super awesome. I mean, you know, there was some a lot of laughs, crying, you know, like dad having emotional moments with people sharing their stories. And then the third week was awesome because Chris Junior stayed the whole
time. Oh so like they you know, Jeremy was busy, he didn't make it, but you know, they basically got to hang out with the entire family. That's so cool. So it was really fun. I love that. Man. What about you, Alex, what have you been up to? What about me? Yeah? What about you? I've been I've been Mia man. Yeah, I've been out. I've been in Texas. I've been trying to relax. What were you doing in Texas? I was on vacation. So been together nine years with Olivia and that was our first
vacation we've ever taken with just us too. Was awesome. Yeah, it was awesome. What you guys do. So a lot of people don't know, but the the Hills of Texas is like major wine country. Oh yeah, so about one hundred vineyards in this little town where Yeah. Yeah, so the story is, um, the first non native people. I've told both of you guys this, so I'm just like talking. Yeah. Now, so the first non native people to like explore Texas where the I was
told were the Catholic missionaries. And the Catholic missionaries would bring vines with them because wine is so important to the Catholics. And when they showed up in this hill country of Texas, they found grapes growing naturally, so they didn't have to use their vine. They just started making wine out of the grapes that were there. And it that was the like the origination of wine in the United States. First ever wine came out of it. That's cool.
I don't think you told me that. I don't remember. I've told it like like everybody because I'm like, oh, yeah, we went to Texas and they're like where and I'm like Fredericksburg and they're like, well, where's that? What is there? I'm like wine. They're like really, so, y'all, y'all tasted a bunch of wine too much? Yeah? Yeah, they did in a really cool spot, had a m It was like an airbnb. It was like a year almost. I've stayed in an airbnb
year. Yeah it was cool. Yeah, and uh there was deep We saw deer every day, Like they would call right up to the to the um the deck and like, I mean we saw at least ten every day. Wow. Cool. I mean they're they're around here. It's just like, you know, you don't see him in the city because they're hunted so much around here. Yeah, there's so much city. And yeah, we went to we went to Asheville and saw everywhere they were completely like everywhere,
I mean in the backyard, we would I love the mountains. Manhill is awesome. It truly is magical. It's it's like a magical place. It's it's incredible. All right, let's let's get into the I'm glad you've you've had a good time since the last time. I feel like it's been so long. I'm actually mega pumped to be in here and do some episodes. I'm trying to remember what all these buttons do. I'm particularly pumped for this
one, y'all. We are talking about Uh God, I feel like I say this ad nauseum, but like, this movie's for sure in my top five ever, like top five. I put this on par with the best of the best like this. This in my mind, this movie stands apart from most other movies. We're talking about Robert Egger's The Lighthouse. You love this movie too, Yeah, I've seen it once. Admittedly I did not watch it for this episode. I'm glad you didn't. But exactly I did
it for a reason. Yeah, because I knew you were going so deep into it, and I was doing all my studying for another episode. So so there's this way. And obviously Alex hasn't seen it, right, right, Okay, I just want to make sure and so okay. This happens sometimes when we will get an idea to do an episode for the show because it impacts us in a really big way and we notice the mystical themes.
But then when it comes time to break down the episode, sometimes it's like, I don't know if we can make a whole episode out of this, you know what I mean. Sometimes you get that feeling, well, I've now seen this movie three times. No, this was the fourth time. This was my fourth time watching it, and before I did this final watch, I kind of had that thought, like, I know, there's a
lot of mystical themes in here. I just don't know that they really perfectly match up in a cohesive way, at least enough so to talk about out at at length on an episode. Um So, I kind of tried to to use that to my advantage here. I said, all right, you know what, I sat down with Raven shout out, Raven, love you. He has it on blue ray. He brought it over. We watched
it because this is one of his favorite movie. Raven is a connoisseur for like really good, obscure, bizarre movies, so honestly, he's just kind of a connoisseur, Like yeah, he really just has great taste, I mean, music, movies, every anime like bro, He's got great taste. So he brings it over. We watch it, and I thought, I'm gonna I'm gonna grab my notebook and I am literally going to jot down
just little bubble notes of everything that stands out to me. And by the end of it, I was like, oh uh, I could fill ten episodes with this with this movie. Um So, so here's the thing that I want to preface this with. So we talk about movies like Wizard of Oz, right or uh, Pinocchio exactly story but never ending story. Um, what what's that one with Tom Hanks that was about like reincarnation like that?
We never actually did that, right, right, we'll do we'll do episodes about movies and it's like, guys, this is the central theme of the movie that like it's about reincarnation or it's about like your higher self or you know whatever. Uh So with The Lighthouse, I was like, man, there really is not one central theme. But as I started doing research,
it was made that way intentionally. So, uh, it's basically like you know Wizard of Oz for instance, it's you know what it's about if you if you dissect it, it's pretty clear you know what it's about. With this movie, breaking it down, I found just in this one watch through, I found multiple interpretations ways that you can interpret it, and then
corroborated it with actual interviews from the creators of the movie. And it is actually like riddled with mysticism and esotericism, like every single shot of the movie. And I think that shooting it in that vague kind of way where you're not pulling from one specific thought pattern or one specific religion, one specific you know, but just following your intuition and creating a piece of art, subtly weaving in every inspiration of mysticism you get, and then figuring out what it
means at the end. I'm starting to think that might be the most powerful way of doing things. So let's get into it. Let's break it down a little bit. I'm so excited for this. So for those of you who don't know anything about the movie, I'm gonna give a quick little summary of the plot because that will make it a lot easier for you to understand the mystical themes throughout it. So at its core. And by the way, Alex, I feel like I say this all the time, but I
feel like you would love this movie. Like I know we say that about every movie we talk about, but this is this is literally a story. It takes place in like the late eighteen nineties, yeah, like early nineteen hundreds, something like that, and it's just about these two guys who who are working at a lighthouse together and you know, like if you think in those times like that's a very dangerous job. You're completely isolated from society.
Telephones, I mean yeah really yeah no, yeah, they didn't have fallen, they didn't have a pahone, they didn't have nothing. I mean, you know, they were like stranded out there basically, and so it centers around it's it's Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattison that play the two main characters. And by the way, they're like the only people in the whole movie. One of the things that makes it so good. Yeah, this movie is like, yes, it's spare they are the only two people you see in
the whole movie. Well, I mean other than like some of might pass by. No, not even that. There's like a couple flashback scenes where you see like one or two other people. Yeah, that really conveys the loneliness. Oh, yes, that's that's the biggest I think, like like visual theme of this movie is like claustrophobia, like isolation, you know, uh, cabin fever, so kind of at the first watch through, that's
kind of that's the thing that stands out the most about the movie. It's like the psychological thriller about like cabin fever kind of like the shining, like like that's that's what the core like kind of the surface level rather not the core, but the surface level. Thing about the Shining is that, I mean, bro, that is that's gotta be maybe the best horror movie ever made. It's it's so so, so so good. We'll talk later. No, no, no, come on, tell me, tell me.
I want to hear that's horror movie ever made. Yes, in my opinion, yes, I know what you're gonna say. It's hard to say definitively. Yeah, I know hereditaries on that list, right, definitely on that one. You think it's the best maybe, I think in modern times. Yes, about Jaws, bro he isn't so overrated a little bit, but it's iconic, it's so anyway. Anyway, basically, what this is what happens in the movie in a nutshell, Robert Pattinson's character he was a logger.
He worked in the woods, he cut down trees and all that stuff. And there was this incident where this guy that he was working with, one of his co workers, died and Robert Pattinson's character, who just will call him, I free him because that's his name, m or you know his fake name. He gives a fake name. Efre him is his name, and and ifre him, like could have saved him but didn't. It's not really made super clear if he intentionally killed him or just let him die
or whatever. But it kind of like him with grief. And also he was like running from the law, so he left. He got this job out on this lighthouse, and at the surface level, it's it's like weird stuff starts happening. Uh, efrem starts getting these crazy visions of like sirens in the water. Yeah, and he doesn't know if they're dreaming. Oh, and it happens like early in the movie too, because one of the first things that you see in the film is efre him gets to the lighthouse.
He meets Thomas Wake who is William Dafoe's character, who is like an old sailor guy you have for all you know, he's been here his entire life. You have no idea. He's like this weird, like kind of
half crazy. Yeah, definitely like mythical crazy character. One of the first things you see is um Efreim lays down in his bed and there's a hole in his bed and he like reaches down in it and he pulls out an effigy like a little statue of a mermaid and he's like looking at it, like what, but he doesn't think much of it, puts it down, and then like that night he has an insane vision that he's like being called by a siren into the water, and he's like walking into the water against
his will and he just wakes up. You don't know if it was real or a dream or whatever. There's other things where like, uh, like the stories that Thomas Wake is telling him are like starting to not make sense or some of the details are starting to change. He feels like he's going crazy. There's times where he'll like see a boat on the horizon and then
it'll disappear. There's all sorts of weird stuff happening, and then kind of this cool turning point of the film is all this cabin fevershit is really getting to Ephraim and he I love this quote. Somebody one of my friends told me this quote. He turns a seagull into a rag. He turns the a seagull into a bloody rag. He takes out all his frustration on this seagull because you will those characters like it's basically very poor superstition to harm a
seagulls. He says, he this guy talks in like old sailor talk. Yeah, bad luck to kill a seabird. He says that like multiple times and he says it and character, Yeah, he fram's characters kind of like whatever, you fucking crazy old man, Like shut up, you know they're they're very at odds. Uh. So he gets pissed and it almost feels like spitefully against you forgot to mention why, because the old man is working Robert Pattinson's character like to the bone. It's like, yeah, he's like
he can't do anything. He'll he'll swab the whole entire thing. He'll do every one of his jobs and it's never good enough, which there's a mystical reason behind that, but everything in this film anyway. So yeah, he gets super frustrated with u Wake's character and he's like, oh, don't kill a seabird, huh, And he grabs it by the neck and slam. It is a visceral scene. Yeah, slams it like a ton of By the way, not super relevant to this part, but the movie is black
white, Yeah, completely black and white. It's in four by three aspect ratio. It's like, looks like a classic film. It just came out in twenty eighteen or nineteen or something. By the way. After he kills the seabird, he looks into the water and there's spirals like oil is making like spirals in the water. Oh I don't remember that part. Yeah, very important. Two things. It foreshadows the storm that's coming, and it also is like the spiral of consciousness, which there are so many spiral shots
in this movie. So let's wrap it up with the basic description. Basically, like we said, this massive storm comes. They were supposed to get out and go home and their job was going to be done. They ended up getting stranded there for they don't even know how much longer because of this
awful storm. So if they weren't already going crazy, that completely snapped them and they dive deep into insanity, like you really see them in the film, fully lose sanity right well, and it's it's illustrated in a way that like the events in the film stopped making sense, you know what I mean, Like even from the viewers perspective, it's no longer sane. Yeah, it's cool, no, absolutely, Like like it shows that they're going to
be stuck there longer. It shows them go to bed and then the next day, Thomas Wake's character is talking to Eph him and he's like, you don't even know how long it's been. We've been here a month and he's like, stop, you're lying. You're lying, and he's like, you have no idea how long we've been here. It starts getting extremely disorienting because you're like, you truly don't know what's happening. It almost makes the viewer feel insane. And it definitely does not spoon feed it to you. Oh
no, Guaranteed. The first watch of this movie, going into a blind you're like, what am I watching? What? Literally? What watching? What did I just watch? The thing that's so captivating about it is the performances of these two guys. I mean, come all and dude, Willem Dafoe in this movie. I'm sure you're going to cover this because it's a mystical. It's incredible. It's it's one of the very best monologues I've ever heard him. I think it Mark, Yeah, I think it might be
my favorite monologue in a movie ever. You notice, too, if you go back and watch it, he doesn't blink a single time. My job was on the floor the first time I try, I didn't know it was
gonna be all mystical. I mean this way before we were doing the podcast way before all of this, so so then to wrap it up, they continue to go crazy until they eventually Efreim completely snaps and kills Thomas Wake after you know, being like like gas lit by him, and like Thomas Wake is obviously trying to make Efrem's mentally torturing he is, he's mentally torturing him. He ends up chasing Ifrem with an axe. Ifreim gets the axe from
him and chops his head in half. And then the whole movie, Thomas Wake's character doesn't let Efreim go anywhere near the light at the top of the lighthouse. He's like, no, the light's mine. He says, I tend the light. The light's mind. He even at one point says he's married to the light. Yeah. All efre Him ever does is like shovel call, like clean the floors and like all the little like bitch labor. Yeah yeah, and he get curious about the lighthouse, you know, but
the central theme stay away. If he even if Efreim even mentions seeing the light, Thomas Wake loses it. He loses it. He's like, no, that's mine. You don't go near it. He's like absolutely no. And then when you see Wake in the light looking at it, He's like intoxicated. He like goes up there naked dude, and some pretty gross stuff.
But anyway, at the end of the movie, Ifreim kills him, goes up, sees the light, cackles like a complete maniac, falls down the spiral staircase, and then the last shot you see is him getting eaten alive by seagulls. So insane. You know, seagulls are federally protected. They are. Yeah, I had to look that up. Yeah. Well, the reason you didn't have to, don't say you had to. Nobody
forced you to do that. We're making me mad man. Well, in the movie, it's really cool because Wake's character says it's bad luck to kill making me really want to rewatch this all. Come on, we hadn't even got to the goods time, I know. Oh no, we purposefully has left out all of the really good stuff. So it's about to get weird,
very weird. Yeah. Um, but just to finish that up, yeah, Wake says bad luck to kill a seabird, and he says that the souls of dead sailors are in seagulls, and that's why it's bad luck. To kill them because you're killing a sailor, you know, it's like sailors that got lost on the open sea or whatever. Fun little fact. I'm not really going to go into it, but this was based on a true story. Really. It was in the early eighteen hundreds in the on
the Welsh Pembrokeshire coast in eighteen oh one. Yeah, it was two guys out on the lighthouse working together. One of them ended up mysteriously dying and the other one he wrote a full account of what happened. He said that he put a guy in a coffin. The body broke out of the coffin and was rapping on the window. Oh my god, trying to get him to come out. They probably just what he's saying, that's what. Yeah, probably, but but it was so compelling that these guys were like,
we have to turn this into something. Okay. So that wraps up the basic, super basic little description. So one of the first places that people's mind jumped to when they see this movie. It was probably the first place that you jumped to. Lovecraft. Oh the end, when when when when the Patson character like goes into the light, right, But I mean there are even things before then that are very very verymaid basically like kind of like sex scene. Yeah, it's not it's not graphic, like he's not like
necessarily having sex with the mermaid. No, but he's fantasizing, yes, And it's and it's depicting that fantasy in a very bizarre, disgusting foul way. Yeah, there are some foul shots in this movie. There are visceral but I mean the whole point of the movie is to show people in their most carnal form, So it's like, you know that that's to be expected. I suspect there may be a deeper meaning that we'll talk about later. I have asked the one thing that I prepared to talk about. I can't
wait. Please and by the way, the two of you please jump in as much as you want. I am so excited to discuss this stuff. But um, yeah, So, I mean commonly in Lovecraft they're sirens. There's like squid tires from the scene, creatures from the sea, effigies and effigy worship and then obviously like being driven to madness insanity, and that's in almost every Lovecraft story, is like almost every single one. Yeah, because it's like I mean, that's like, that's what these the lovecrafty and beings
due to mortal they drive them insane um. And so one of the biggest parallels into this that a lot of people picked up on upon first watching The Lighthouse was Dagon. Okay, yeah, yeah, So Dagon is one of the more famous short stories by HP Lovecraft, and it's literally about a sailor's It takes place in like the early nineteen hundreds and he's escaping from German sea
raiders. He gets lost at sea, he like is starting to lose his sanity, and then he wakes up surrounded by complete and total blackness and he sees an effigy, a massive white effigy of this strange creature unlike anything he's ever seen. But he describes it as like a sea like creature, like something from the sea. Which I recently read Dagon. Oh it's good, it's good, it is, it's good, and the movie is excellent, is it really? Yes, it's it's it's different from the story, the
short story, but it's excellent. Dude, I need to watch it. It's good. It's made like two thousand and one. Honestly, they just need to be more Lovecraft movies like um Color Out of Space was good. Yes, it was really good. Every Lovecraft movie I've ever seen has been really good. And that we were talking about the thing earlier, and that's one that's on my list. I just From Beyond. That's another one. It's a Lovecraft movie. It is super good. Is it based on a
specific Lovecraft story or Beyond? Oh I'm pretty sure it's called from Beyond? Oh shit. Okay, yeah, but I'm I'm all in on give me all the Lovecraft stuff. I had so much hope for that Lovecraft country show, Like the first episode was in the second episode, it was like, I'm out. It became pure cheese in a single episode. Yeah, so
disappointing. Yeah, but anyway, So one of the biggest parallels is is Dagon, where this is basically just a guy on the sea who goes insane, sees this big statue, goes even more insane, ends up worshiping the effigy, and then he gets rescued and doesn't know if any of that was real or fake or whatever. That was kind of the thing. So let's get out of the box a little bit here. Okay, if there was a lovecrafty and deity in the lighthouse. What would it be? What do
you think it would be? Probably like the Colorado Space how so because it's in the light. Okay, that's a that's a yeah. So what if the lighthouse itself was an Eldridge entity that was concealing forbidden knowledge from its subjects. It has subjects who loyally clean it, worship it like main maintain it. I mean at one point wake literally like references worship like our work is worshiped, Like they're worshiping this thing. Wow. You know what else is
weird? It bellows like a beast. The horn, the fog horn. They make it a point in the movie to make it piercingly loud, like when the when the fog horn is blown, you can't hear anything else that is plunging. That's one of the main things that is driving them insane. Okay, that honestly went way over my head, Like, like to be honest, like, I watched this movie. So when did you say this came out? Like twenty eighteen, So my one time watching this movie was
not this again, this is years before we were doing the podcast. It was like a it was like a special theatrical release because it was like kind of a more underground movie and then a few months later it was like DVD only or something like that for a while. So like the day that it came out to DVD, I watched it just to watch it, yeah, not to study it. I just want to see it. And like, there's some things you're going to talk about that we're self evident, and I'm
like, yo, this is mystical shit. Yeah, but like that, this is what I'm saying way over. This is what I'm saying, is like it took me like four times watching this movie, right, And it's because the creators intentionally they were like, we're not gonna pull from one specific thing. They are into a cult shit. Yeah, and I'm gonna go into that a little more later how into it they are. But they made it very clear from jump like we're not pulling from one story or two story.
We're pulling from everything, and it's going to make sense without spoiling it. The things that I obviously really picked up on it because it's mentioned as like the Greek myth stuff. Yeah, we're going super cool. We're going super cool, and what you just said makes sense with that, it done. It drives with that because that's part of the Greek myth that sent it. And that was one of the most beautiful revelations in doing this research is
these aren't just like separate interpretations. They mesh together, right, Okay, that's that's honestly, mind blow, that's a mastercraft. Yeah. So so I don't want to spoil it, so okay, yeah, we'll go um but but I mean, okay, so think about their upkeep of the Lighthouse being like worship right or service or service. Wouldn't that explain why Wake is so obsessed with Ephre him doing everything perfectly. He's like, you can't,
you can't. You have to give one hundred and ten percent because it's worship. He's working him from like dawn until like bedtime basically like oh yeah, like like you know, like slave labor literally, like he's breaking him and that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, And and there's tons of that there are. There are some very blatant Lovecraft references within the movie. Like Robert Eggers said, he was like, I didn't want it. He's like, if I wanted to make this movie a lovecrafty in film, then at then
at the point where Ephrium takes Thomas Wake's diary and is reading it. I would have put a bunch of stuff about Dagon in there, and then it would have been a lovecrafty in movie. But he was like, that would have been to Pigeonhole. Yeah, it would have been too on the note, it wouldn't have been original. It wouldn't It would be like, oh, Okay, it's a lovecraft movie. That's cool. That's cool. What they actually did is so much cooler. But I mean there are like there's
a point in the movie where Ephrium is completely hallucinating. He's in like a murderous rage. They're trying to kill each other, and he sees Wake as like a sea god with tentacles and the tentacles are wrapping around his throat, and like that's extremely lovecrafty. That was in the trailer too, So that's that's why I was like, oh, dude, this movie crazy, Like it's a lovecrafty and type movie. They put a lot of emphasis on you
know, like there's a lot of emphasis on water in Lovecraft's works. Obviously there's a lot of that here. The moon, a lot of emphasis on the moon. It's like little subtle easter eggs kind of of that lovecrafty and stuff. But then finally, one of the coolest and most blatant things if if we're following that thread, that like, what if the lighthouse is an eldritch god or like an elder god, and you remember like the elder gods from you know what? You know, that would mean that Wake truly who
knows how long he's been there worshiping this thing and whatever. And when Ephraim gets to the point where he's openly defying Wake and he's like, I'm gonna go see what's in the light, Remember what happens? Wake chases him in the rain and then he shoots that beam of light from his eyes into Fream's eyes. Right, that's based off of a painting from the early nineteen hundreds when Lovecraft was popular, right, called hypnosis, bro He hypnotized him.
You know what else is crazy about that? I just had this thought, like on the fly, you know, from like learning this new information or whatever. That implies that Wake is an initiate into this order. He's concealing the mystery from the profane, the younger you know, the younger character. But get this again, I'm haven't even spoiled all the Greek stuff yet that you're gonna I know you're gonna talk about it. Oh yeah, if you
understand like the ending of what happens to Robert Pattinson's character. He is rebellious like the figure referenced in the myth, and he has the same fate. It's it's dude, it's like mind blowing, like he is the figure from the myth rebelling against the oppressive. Like you you don't get the knowledge.
You see what I'm saying exactly I mean is it's playing out in multiple level and that is like I feel like that's so rare to see in films because like usually you have this interpretation or that interpretation or whatever, but in this one, they all tie together, like from everything that we're going to talk about, it all ties together. Yeah. So let's go into the Greek stuff because that was another thing that the Eggers were very open about. They
say it in the movie. Yeah, I mean, it's in the dialogue. Yeah. I want to preface it with a quote from Heracleitus the Philosopher. This is a quote about lighthouses. Interestingly, this plays into the Lovecraft stuff we were just talking about. This is a quote that which was always sorry that which was and always is and will be everlasting. Fire the same for all the cosmos, made neither by God nor Man, replenishes in measure
as it burns away. It's as if it's as if this lighthouse was always there, always burning infinitely, and it is just somehow ever present, ever existent. It's like a you know, like one of the seven wonders of the world is the Pharaos lighthouse, which is the first ever. It's in Alexandria. That's cool. It's the first ever lighthouse. Oh, I'm going to rip your mind apart with that one in just a minute. Pharaohs was the name. It was the first ever one, and um who I think
Ptolemy may have built it. Oh, that would make sense. And they wrote about it in either the Iliot or the Odyssey. It was I know Homer wrote it, but yeah, I have it right here. Lighthouses were invented in ancient Greece, most likely by Ptolemy when he created Pharaohs, and they were often considered sacred. Wow, so it's like, yeah, yeah,
it's super deep. Pharaohs is It's one of the wonders of the world, partially because of its size, but also because it was an engineering marvel from the ancient world that that so so when you really think about it, like the light is symbolic of the wisdom of the mystery schools one hundred percent.
One hundred percent, I feel like that's the allegory. Yeah, you know, they erected this giant monolith phallus right right, this giant monolith with this this like all seeing eye at the top that spins shines lights everything. It's it's omnipotent, lights the darkness into the sea and lights the shines light into the abyss server and guides people. Yeah. Like but when you see into the light, you you're like insane with knowledge overwhelming power. Yeah,
there's a shot in the new Hell Razor about that. By the way, there's a new Hell Razor. Yeah that sucks, dude, But but but but the point being, it's it's the same concept. That's cool. It came out this past year twenty two. I never saw the original one. The original one is actually one of the best horror films ever. Really, yes, yes, it's it's phenomenal. But to get back to the lighthouse
thing and the most recent Hell Razor that just came out spoiler. The character at the end, he's like, if you don't know about hell Razor, it's these like they're called Seno Bites. They're these like kind of like eldritch demons from another realm that like they blur the lines of like pleasure and pain and like they torture you, but like from their perspective, it's like that's
pleasure, you know what I mean. It's just a way out their concept kind of crafty end it kind of is, yeah, and it was written in the eighties by Clive Barker. Amazing movie the original but anyway, so um, the main the character at the end, he's like taken to the realm of the Seno Bites and he's like it's it's really graphic and gruesome.
But his his like skin is being peeled off. But but because that's what they do, that it looks and they like told but like the crazy freaky characters, there's some of them who are like that's like they're they're they're seeking this, you know what I mean, They're crazy. Yeah, And he's like got this face of like pure like kind of like bliss and he's revealed
this huge shining white light. It's like it's it's weird. It's like, you know, the truth is like on outside of our border of understanding between pain and pleasure basically that is, it's a similar concept. Yeah, it's shown different. Well, no, this isn't a new one. Oh oh so that shot wasn't in there? No, no, no, it's only in the new one. That was like the only cool thing. Does the new one have like the same plot as the original or completely different? Completely
different? But it wasn't as good nowhere near. Okay, I want to watch the original. You should watch the og I like older horror movies, like like I mean, Halloween, especially like the seventies and eighties Shining Halloween. Yes, come on now, Nightmare on Elm Street. Yes, yeah, come on now we're talking bangers. Yes, okay, So back to the Greek stuff. This, this the Lighthouse is rife with Greek references, like the driving premise. Yeah, it really is. You don't know that
getting into the movie. That's a secret. But if you if you go into the movie with the lens of Greek myth, you'll see it everywhere exactly. But but that wasn't advertised, No, not at all. I love that because it's esoteric, right, right, they they hid it, you know. So the main we're going to talk about a few gods, a few parallels. There's a lot of Greek parallels here, but uh, confirmed
by the writer and director of the film. The two main characters Thomas Wake who is Williem Dafoe, and Robert Pattinson's character Efrem Winslow, who you find out his actual name is Thomas Howard. They're both named Thomas, which, by the way, the true story this is based on, they were both named Thomas. Cool. Yeah, cool. Um. You find out that their characters, uh, Efrem who is Robert Pattinson is Prometheus from Greek myth.
Thomas Wake who's Willem Dafoe, is Proteus, which is you know that those two characters never really like cross paths in Greek myth, right, right. But the really awesome thing about that is in subsequent mythological writings, like like from Homer or other philosophers, they would do that. They would take they would cross these figures exactly. They would take figures that didn't cross paths and they would write stories about them cross So that's a mind blowing revelation.
I had a few minutes ago when I was like, oh, my god, because knowing that Robert Pattinson is the Prometheus figure, what happens in the Greek myth? Wait, wait, I'm gonna say it. Let's let's say it. So in according to Greek myth, Prometheus is the Titan god of fire. He is best known for defying the will of the gods, stealing fire from them and giving it to humanity. And according to the myth, Prometheus also discovers this is wild. Prometheus is also the one who is credited
with discovering and establishing the use of animal sacrifice. Oh shit, he kills a seagull in the movie he literally sat by, which causes a massive catastrophic storm. So it's like, you know, and we talked about recently how sacrifice is in history has been used to catalyze like rituals and stuff like that. The Aztecs would literally daily, the Aztecs back in the like you know, the Aztecs and the Mayans and the peak of their society. Dude,
they were sacrificing like sometimes ten thousand people a day. A day, we're just ripping their hearts off. Next kind them open and rip their heart out literally literally this is real history. This isn't the Valentine's Day episode brouh. And lastly about Prometheus. He is also known as the representation of human striving and the risk of overreaching, which is like clear in the movie. So
then what's his fate when the gods find out? So he so he steals the fire from the gods and he gives it to humanity, and as punishment Zeus, obviously the king of the gods, he curses him. He ties to a tree, and he curses him to be eternally eaten by birds. I think in the myth it was an eagle, because the eagle represents Zus. It's like an eagle or a haw buzzard or something. Ye. Yeah,
it's a bird and basic Raven maybe he that bird. He ties Prometheus to a tree, and that bird eats his liver every single day for eternity. It heals, it'll heal up to meet him again. And what did we say earlier? The final shot of the movie is Robert Pattinson getting eaten alive by seagulls. Ye it is. It is a blake. But also that's that was the mind blowing revelation. Was he rebelled against a foe like Prometheus in the myth, to try to like get his hands on that that
fire exactly, or light or whatever. The fire. It's not literal, it's no, it's it's it's the Greek's packaged version of esoterically, you know, if you want to go way out of the box and related to the Mystery schools us, way in pre Atlantean times, when we were perfect spiritual beings, we had this knowledge and then you know we fell and were trapped in material reality because of our you know, power is getting out of control
or whatever. We're talking about that in Theoso allegory, right, you know, it's not like literally fire, but like there's truth to it. Yeah. I mean it's like he stole knowledge right from the guys and he gave it's the Greek's version of that story. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, so let's talk about Proteus. Who is William Dafoe's this movie. He taught me about Proteus. I've never heard of Proteus. He's the son of Poseidon. He's a son of Poseidon. You know, Triton is his brother.
In some myths. Triton is older in others, Proteus is older. Most like people who study myth believe that Proteus would be the older one. Wasn't he like the god of like foresight and prophecy? Yep? And he was usually kind of like a siren like depicted like out in the ocean, right, and he would like give prophecies to sailors. Oh yeah, he is. His nickname in mythology is the old Man of the sea, right, I mean, come on that, which I believed the movie was also
a play on that, maybe absolutely old Man in the Sea dude. In the film, there are two times where William Dafoe's character openly well, I wouldn't say he kind of hides it a little, but he basically admits that he is literally pro Proteus. I mean, at one point he says the word proteus, he says protean, okays, but still he says something like, oh, protean dread something something, And in the same sentence he uses the name Prometheus, Promethean something. You know. He talks in like limeerate,
he talks in like poetry, like and what's cool about that? Remembering that monologue, when he says, well, I'm about to say it, you have the monologue. Well, I have the first line, which is the most important part to the Proteus stuff. So anyway, in uh, yeah, in Greek mythology, Proteus was a prophetic sea god. He was called the Old Man of the Sea. He was also a shape shifter. We see William Dafoe take a few worms in this movie. Yes, get
this. Often in paintings, Proteus as is depicted with a don't say tentacles, tentacles, a naked upper half with a cockle crown, just like in that one shot in the movie, and tentacles legs. If you look up the most famous painting of Proteus, it's it's that it's him with tentacles on the bottom. And yeah, bro, come on, now, come on bro, it's blatant. He's got the tentacles below. Yeah, this movie is a tent up. Hold up, Remember I told you earlier the first
ever lighthouse was Pharaohs. You know where Proteus lived, Pharaohs. It's like it's like they nailed it, dude. Yeah, like it really is. It's almost as if you could so if if from the lovecrafty perspective, you could see this as like an eldritch entity or an elder god. In the
Greek interpretation, you can see this lighthouse as pharaohs. Right, this is the original lighthouse, which would mean that that light is the original light, right, the original row knowledge of initiation or whatever do When you really think about it from this lens, it's like it's it's he's initiated and he's keeping the secret from the young guy who's like he's at that point in Atlantean,
you know, relating it to the mystery traditions. He's at that point where he's trying to rebel so that he can get his hands on that light. Like it's mind blowing. You don't know any of this going into the movie, not at all, none of this, which is so it's like this movie itself is protean and shape shifting. Yeah, because you could watch it from multiple lenses and you will enjoy it every time, and you'll see it
in a completely different way. Saying earlier, when the characters begin to like descend into madness from the viewer's perspective, that's visually demonstrated it really it's it's like it's like the movie starts hallucinating and think and they and one second, they're normal sailors, like shoveling coal in a furnace. The next second, Willem Dafoe is this like godlike being mechanical, shining light out of his eyes and he's like standing naked outside in the woods. It does cover his run
or whatever. The movie hallucinating it does it like makes you feel like you're hallucinating exactly exactly. And I'm gonna go into some of the physical shots too, But this is, this is the monologue we keep talking about. It is so incredible and it's done in the most like shocking way. One second, it's these two guys. They're drunk out of their minds. They got nothing else to do. They're drunk, like most of the movie, they're
wasted. They get night when they're done laboring. Yeah, they just get and dog or rum or whatever. So they get into a little spat because they're button heads. Most of the movie they're button heads, and uh Robert Pattinson's character, uh, he basically makes this comment that William Dafoe's cooking is terrible. Oh yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, if I have to eat your slop one more time, whatever, and he gets so offended he's like, you like my cooking. You're lying. Yeah, He's like,
you're lying. I mean, he gets made. And then he's like, you're fond of me, lobster. I've seen it, you're fond of me. I mean he's mad. He's like really mad, and he's he basically tells him, I hate your lobster. That's what he says. And then it's like the gates of hell open and William Dafoe is charged with godlike power. He stands and throws his chair back and delivers easily the most captivating monologue in film history. The first thing that he does when he stands up
is scream, hark hark. And when he does it, lightning strikes and thunder, and it's like, I mean, it shows Robert Patson. He is in utter fear. He's like, like in pure shocked because one second he's like, I hate your lobster. I mean, it's like he explodes in fury. So he says, hark, Triton, Hark, Remember Triton.
What's the next sentence? He says, he's thinking about Neptune. No, no, no, he says, bellow, bid our father, our father, Poseidon, Bellow bid our father the sea king Poseidon rise from the depths, full foul in his fury. He literally is calling out to Triton, his brother, and he's basically telling him, Uh, bring the full fury of our father. Is this before the storm and curse? No? No, no, this is like this is like right after they found out.
This is the night that they found out they're gonna be stuck there because of the storm. I think I'm pretty because that would be crazy if that was, like, you know, esoterically, would like caused the storm. But I don't know, I've seen, well, it seems like what truly actually we know what truly caused the storm was he killed the seagull, because literally it does this shot where after he kills it, it pans to the top of the lighthouse and the winds change and the north wind blows in.
And he even says in that speech, by the way, in that monologue he says something about like the north wind. Well, I wrote it down. He says something about, like the north wind blows from Uh was it David's horn? Where here it is north wind started blowing, Oh, like Gabriel's horn. He says that in the movie, like Gabriel's horn, the north wind blows like Gabriel's horn, and so he knew he knew, he knew during that monologue that caused it. But then he's like, you don't
like my lobster, I'm gonna curse you for all eternity. He basically ends like a minute and a half straight without blinking, screaming at Robert Betts's character, cursing him in the most foul way you could possibly imagine. I mean, he's like talking about him getting ripped apart eternally by sirens and all this wild stuff. But he's literally beckoning out to Triton and beside it. He's like, he claims, he says it in the movie he is Proteus.
He says it. It's incredible. Those those two figures are the most prominent representation of Greek myth in the movie. I got a couple more, uh, just minor ones. Uh. Do you remember when Robert Pattinson's character was lugging the oil keg up the up the stairs and Sysiphus, it's Sysiphus with the stone pushing the stone because the oil keg after he gets to the top. Uh. William Dafoe's like, take it back down right punishment. It's
literally sysiphus is eternally pushing that rock up the hill. Yeah. So another like the last thing that really stood out to me about in terms of Greek myth um. So when they're going insane, the storm hits, they're trapped for longer, they go out and they pull out the reserve alcohol so that they got plenty to drink. They go crazy. They're drinking. It's insane.
They drink, they go through all of it and they have nothing left to drink and they're starting to like go even more insane because of alcohol withdrawls. So what do they do. They start pouring the kerosene into cups, and what they mix with it, I don't remember. Honey, the nectar of the Gods. They mix it with honey, yes, and they start drinking it. And after they drink the kerosene, that's when that really iconic scene of them like dancing around and singing. They become like godlike beings.
Bro, they become like Dionysian almost. They had drunk from the nectar. Yeah, they start like dancing with each other and like they're like screaming these these like shanties they're they're having like a uh is it a Dionysian ritual? After drinking the Nectar of the gods? Right, and then again like we said, um, you see the shot when they're fighting each other. You literally see a shot of William Dafoe in a cockle crown, like a shelled
crown with tentacles for legs. He's he's become he becomes Proteus. That it's for a very brief little shot, just one little shot, and then and then Robert Pattinson he becomes up, he becomes Prometheus. The prophecy is fulfilled, and he's eaten, but he's literally moving while he's being eaten too, you can see, so who knows, Maybe he's stuck there forever. Maybe the curse really worked and he's gonna be there forever. It's just because he
doesn't like die. No, it's like that's how the movie is. He's fall alive, but he's being eaten by the seagulls. Yeah, it shows that incredible shot of him killing. William Dafoe finally making it into the tower, opening the thing and and seeing the pure, unadulterated power of the light, and he is like screaming and cackling in madness, completely driven mad and they like super distort his voice too, so it is just like really visceral
and yeah, falls down the spiral staircase, eating alive by seagulls. So incredible. This is the last interpretation, and it's a real quick one. I went into this movie thinking I'm gonna get like the lovecrafty and angle and I'm gonna get the Greek angle and I'm gonna get those really down so that we can talk about him on the episode. But a third one, A third one the entire time was just like in my face and it was kind
of a New Age interpretation. There was a lot of really really mystical New Age stuff that at first I was like, maybe this is just kind of coincidence, Maybe it's not like Blaze, you know, maybe it's not intentional whatever. As the movie went on, there was so much of it that I ended up being like, there's no way it wasn't intentional. Um. And I also found out that the brothers who made the movie are super into the occult. They're super into Carl Young um and stuff like that, so
I found that out afterwards. But one of the things that jumped out to me early in the film, and then probably fifteen times throughout the film, they make a blatant point in the cinematography to highlight a couple of very important
symbols, which are this and this, Like are they like triangles? No, No, that's that's the incredible like chevrons without a yes connection yes, which is like you know, think about like the Da Vinci code like that, that's how and like the most ancient masculine and the feminine masculine feminine Yeah and um. They were even quoted as saying that this movie and The Witch are are depictions of the divine masculine and the divine feminine, that they are
depictions of it. So I start noticing this shape a lot, and it's not just like, oh, it's the roof is like that. It's like no, no, no, I wrote down all the things. They have chains on their shirts that do that. There were multiple buildings where it looked like the set designers intentionally took out the bottom part of a triangle to highlight that specific shape. There's a there's a scene where he's repelling on a rope,
very very blatant. There's a part where it shows a book it's sitting there like this, it's like countless and then the other one it shows there's like rock Oh, there's this one. There's this one scene where he's like Robert Pattinson's walking between these two like rock ranges, and the way that they keyed the shot was like a perfect feminine symbol, like perfect like that there
was a knife. There was this part where there was a knife and a shadow of the knife position perfectly in the center of the shot on the wall to make that shape. And when I saw that one, I was like, that seems so intentional, right, But what I was going to say, like that I got that notion also from the scene with like his fantasy of the mermaid, like you know, looking it up afterwards, it's like it's like, uh, depicting the creative forces of you know, nature,
like the masculine and feminine energies. Well, yeah, totally, And like if you follow that thread, oddly, there's a lot of like sensual sexual energy in the movie. I was waiting, you know what I'm saying. I was gonna say, there's a whole element of this movie that you glossed over that's in this final one, and it's because it's like about the New Age stuff, because you know, that's highlighted a lot to create the archetypal
forces of creation masculine and feminine. So what were you going to say about it? So this may come as a shock too many people who have yet to watch the movie. This is probably the one live action film that has more flatulence than anybody ever recorded, and it's intentional. And then there's even a scene where he's like he's like, uh, I don't know, like you know, taking out their their what do you call it? Where you like, yeah, a bead pan. He's like taking it outside to dump
in the ocean, and like it gets all over him. Yeah, And like there's there's a lot of parts in this movie that highlight just these two guys in a room together just constantly just unleashing bodily functions. And it's not like the whole movie, it's just it's just a few scenes highlights. It's a few scenes that it's highlighted. And in my research it was speculated that it is Agger's attempt at showing like he's showing this why because it's disgusting.
Nobody everybody can agree that's disgusting, of course, And it's like it's a way too highlight, a complete breakdown and overwhelming of the physical senses. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, some people speculate that maybe it's a play at like some sort of crallyan yeah thing. Yeah, I mean kind into really like weird, you know, very weird shit. Um. But yeah, I mean there's there's that element to the movie too, which is like, it's weird, but no, it is. I mean it goes That's
what I'm saying. Like, they made this movie with an open mind, and they pulled from basically every mystical thing that they knew of, um, which is like and they all go hand in hand, which is why this is so incredible to me. Um. But to wrap up the masculine and fineminin thing, bro. I mean, the whole time, I'm like, maybe I'm just looking into this too much. Maybe I'm just like, wait, dude. Towards the end of the movie, there's a shot and they
center the shot on this image kind of look like a Viking room. Yeah, but it's it's like a it might be the like boat doc or something that they use, but it is so intentionally perfectly centered and it has the masculine and feminine symbols like crossing each other. It's like a perfect harmony of masculine and feminine. And then just following this thread of the masculine and feminine thing, you could almost look at it as if the Light is pure feminine
energy at the top. That's why like they get intoxic. Like when you know Thomas Wake is up there, he's like sexual, He's like very sexually charged. He even says he's married to the light. That's his wife. He calls the Light his wife. It's not like in the movie Day like have some sort of sexual act. It's just implied, Well, there is a sexual act. Do you not remember the dream with the Mermaid? Right? No, I don't remember. Oh yeah, I mean he like he
like gets himself off one time. Yeah, but I mean yeah, that's the extent of it, right, yea, yeah, but it's it's implied. Yeah, all that stuff is implied for them exactly. But but it's like if you think about it from that lens, it's like raw feminine energy at the top. And and like you said, Wake is an initiate and he knows that Ephraim's not ready for it, and all this stuff. Ephraim defies him and goes to it anyway, and it's too much for him to
handle. Like it's the raw power of feminine energy. It's just like another mystical lens to look through, another crazy thing. I think. I think they made they highlighted as above, so below so much in this movie. There are probably three or four shots of that spiral staircase, and they intentionally do shots going up it and shots going down it. That is literally the spiral of consciousness going up and down. And even at one point Thomas Wake says to Ephraim, he says, you're so mad, you know, not
up from down. You're so mad, you know, not up from down, which is that's funny, like you're so mad, think about it out of the box, you know, mad could be if we're thinking from the love crafty angle, the people who are witnessing these cosmic you know, truths, so to speak. Yeah, esoterically speaking, you're so mad, you know, not up from down. So that's that's kind of like literally as above so below exactly up in the down or connected the realms exactly. Yeah,
that's that's deep. It is. And after seeing all of the those symbols and the spiral shots that were so intentionally put in there, going up and down multiple times, and then he said that I was like, come on, man, um, all right, I'm wrapping up because I'm sure we're almost we're out of time. Probably the last thing that one of the
last things I wanted to talk about was Carl Young. Carl Young famously claims um that Proteus is a depiction of the human unconscious and there's a white out in the water exactly, yes, yeah, and the conscious is like the water. And also uh Egger says in interviews he is like he is super well versed in Young, like in Carl Young. He's like, it's cool, read all his books. He's super into it. Whatever. M a ton of theories of people from who have seen the movie theorize that Thomas Wake
isn't even real, He's not even there. He's the unconscious of of Epreum. Well, I mean, that would make sense if he was Proteus. And that's another way it. This theme ties in with the Greek theme.
Now there's an element that we haven't mentioned. What you know, you know, there's so many different cultures who have their take at esoteric myths, and you know, the whole sin syncretistic perspective, where you know, you're a comparative mythological perspective, where you take these different myths and you compare them and how they overlap. Do you realize the most popular igrigor or most popular version of how people depict Prometheus, Right, hell, Lucifer, Oh, and
he was like an angel of light? Exactly what happened to him? He rebelled against the force that said, and we're going to talk about this on the Theosophy episode. And he rebelled against the force that said, you guys don't get the knowledge. So what happens. He's punished, He's sent down, as the Bible says or whatever, sent down into chains of darkness for a thousand years. Well, you know, esoterically, it's us. You're ready for this. It's us. We in the very ancient past, in
Atlantean times, were perfect spiritual beings. We became over time, existing in this condition. We became, so to speak, not literally but like drunk with the power of being perfectly spiritual incarnate beings. We fucked that up and we fell or you know, you could say de evolved or whatever, into material reality. Wow, dude, we are Prometheus. You see what I'm saying. It's it's a metaphor, it's not literal. These are these are
not actual existent of course us man. Remember we all come from the one true God, consciousness though the source whatever. But how did we get here? We fell? Damn wait till the Theosophy episode. Yeah, I'm pumped on that. This is This is what I'm talking about though, When when creators approach from not like I'm gonna tell this specific esoteric, you know, story or whatever, when they're just like, it's open. Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm gonna let my intuition guide me and pull from Look how powerful
it is. I'm so excited to look for other examples like this because this this is one of the most mind blowing bits of research that I've done for this show because it just revealing things to me. It was just coming to me. It was like I didn't even have to try all these different angles, and it went from me thinking maybe we can't make an episode to this too. I could fill ten episodes because there are probably so many more interpretations
that one. The Lucifer thing. I didn't even think about that, and like, we didn't even talk about parallels to Christianity, which there are many of the story of Jesus and many the whole New Testament is basically written in Greek. There's so much. The Book of John was written by neo Platonic Greek philosophers, you know, neo Platonic meaning like like people who believed in
Plato's years after he was dead. But the spoiler for people, because I don't want people to hear, oh Lucifer, Oh shit, that's that's not it's not what you think. The answer to that, the redemption from that or or the salvation from that is we are also basically Christ. Yeah, that's the way back, right, you know if we fell many many, many eons ago, and it's like, man, how do we get here? Okay, next question, how do we get out? How do we
get back? Yeah? Christ consciousness. Yeah, I'm coming to completely and totally rely on that as like the complete truth. That's that's That's the basic epitome of what Theosophe's all about. I can't wait. I want to do that episode. Yeah, we're gonna do it. Are we are? We all good? All right? We love you. I totally highly recommend you all watched. Well, I don't know that this is a movie you could recommend to everybody. It's it's honestly pretty ard horror fans will love it.
It's not scary, but it's just like super creepy vibes, fun movie. Yeah, it's experimental, very house type. We need a rating out of ten. Oh, this is a ten. It's definitely a ten. This, this is for sure. It's the first of its kind. Dude, there's two people in the movie like, it does that and it's excellent and like I've been more safeguarding my tens in life lately. That gets it. That gets it. No questions asked. Yeah, every time I watched the
movie, I learned something new about it. Definitely. No, it's it's like the performances are, it's impeccable. It's it's so just absurdly you could say visionary, experimental, abstract, one of a kind. It's one of a kind. Yeah, there's no there's no film like it. It's right up there with with two thousand and one, everything everywhere, all at once. It's right up there in that category. So it might not be your flavor of movie, yeah, but may not be your cup of tea.
But if you like stuff like that this is a masterpiece. We love the Oomies, we love y'all. Be all right, we're gonna do it. Ready, Yeah, back, guys, guys. Weird things to happen in the backyard. Yea, so weird coming closer to us, players, industry up, like spiraling on the inside of it. No one, no man, Wow, it's come right ever Shine, he ain't carry