91: The Ageless Wisdom

Weird thing happened in the weird weird weird Wow. All right, strap In, this is gonna be a deep episode, um, and I have an entire book to get through, you know. So we're gonna talk about theosophy, and we're not going to talk about og original Blovotsky theosphy. I'm gonna breeze past that because there's a reason for that. So just to like get into the source of what theosophy is. In the late eighteen hundreds, there was someone named Helena Blovotsky, as you guys know, but for the listener,

um, and she was a Ukrainian woman. It's about like eighteen seventy seven, I think, is when she wish her first book. She goes over to Tibet. She stays at an ashram there, studies under a Tibetan master for years and apparently, you know, got to the point to where

she was able to telepathically communicate with enlightened masters. And so before we really get into this, I want to talk about why theosophy is particularly so fascinating and truly it's probably like one of the biggest rabbit holes I've ever stumbled across, so obvious, no secret. We're very into, you know, like the wisdom traditions and the belief of you know, there being some sort of primordial eternal truth that has existed in secret, you know, throughout the AONs

or whatever. And reading through Rosicrucian manuals, they make it apparent very early on that they give credit to her by name Helena Blovotsky is one of the like prominent figures in modern times who is responsible for bringing the eternal wisdom addition to public knowledge. So, like what I'm getting at is the Rosicrucians are saying she's very serious, she's very for real, like read her works. The good news about theosophy is it's not like most orders, where first of

all, it's not a religion. It's not like anything that requires worship or anything like that. It doesn't even require belief. You know, you can go into this very detached and just with an open mind, read and and you know, kind of study this material. It's vast, it's expansive, and every bit of it is publicly available online. It's yeah, and what is the goal of theosophy. Well, I'm gonna get into yeah, I have I'm gonna go over an entire Theosophy book and a very quick span here.

Um. And so just to kind of wrap this part up, um, you know, you go into a very detached open mind. But the point is Theosophy is probably the oh I was going to say that it doesn't require any sort of initiations like all these other secret society Sure, it's not

like that. It's a way of thinking. It's like it's like here's the material that it doesn't really matter if you believe it, you know, and it's like a synthesis of all esoteric knowledge compiled into one concise, complete summary of like here's what it is, Here's why it's relevant, here's here's why you should understand this material. You know, here's what you're gonna do with

it. So um. Around the I believe it was the nineteen twenties there was another prominent figure from Theosophy who who was named Alice Bailey, and she developed even more material in the same way, like from being a high level theosophist um, you know, speaking with enlightened masters or whatever, and then coming forth with more material. And then finally in the nineteen seventies there was the last and most recent one, Benjamin Krim, a Scottish philosopher, esotericist,

whatever sounds like a Harry Potter character. It does any Scottish too. But anyway, so Benjamin Krim, and then he came and then like completed so to speak, theoso So if you think about theosophy, there's there's the three main people who are coming forth and being like this is the material, Helena, Alison, Benjamin. Each time these people came forward, it became more simple, it became less fluff. If you look here, I have one and a half of Helena Blovotsky's main works, and she really has like

nine books. Each of these are well over a thousand pages. Like this is two volumes of isis unveiled, probably a thousand pages. The Secret Doctrine. This is only volume two. There's two volumes who It's it's massive,

and a lot of it is fluff. A lot of it is written from the tone of a very oppressed Ukrainian woman in the eighteen hundreds who was desperately trying to like fight back against mainstream Christianity, And a lot of the language and the attitude in the tone she uses is very like you know in your face you're wrong, as these other people came forward, they were a lot more u zact with revealing the information, you know what I'm saying. So

we're going to focus on Benjamin Krim today. So there's this book that is completely it's just so fascinating. It is called The Ageless Wisdom, The Ageless Wisdom Teachings I Believe, and it's like basically a very thorough and concise like this is exactly what theosophy teaches, what is believed, here's the truth about

reality. Here you go. And then there's even more books that I'm working on reading right now, Like there's a book by Alice Bailey called Initiation, Human and Solar, which is like a very high level overview of like what they actually mean when they say initiation. We're just going to touch on that a tiny, tiny little bit today. So mostly we're talking about Benjamin Crim, Yes, who you said was the most recent, the most recient since

the nineteen seventies, gotcha. Yeah, And personally he's my favorite because again, like you know, there's decades spanning these people. It's not like they met in real life. Yeah yeah, but they were a part of the same society. And these three are recognized as being the main figures, you know, bringing forth the knowledge. So Benjamin crim is just super cool, super fascinating, and this book is really deep. I did want to start

this real quick though. A quote from Isis and Veiled Volume one in the introduction, Just so people understand like the groundwork for this, she says, Helena Blovotsky says, our work then is a plea for the recognition of the hermetic philosophy, the anciently universal wisdom religion as the only possible key to the absolute and science and theology. Oh so that's bold, it's bo that's bold, it's bold, it's very hermetic. It's it's it's all about this,

you know, Atlantis and all the stuff we talk about. But it's like it's the one stop shop to find all the information no more in today's society, dude. And I say this because, like I spent years, years to get to this point to where I could like access this information and read it and understand that it's like a verifiable source of this material. I mean, come on, like everybody knows there's these silly groups out there, like the Mason's, the Two Emplars to Oteo, they have these secret rituals.

You gotta pay membership, you gotta basically be you know, like hazed into understanding. They lie to you through so many levels of initiation. There's no clue like what their real purpose is. It's it's just it's it's old,

it's lame, it's obvious, scated on purpose. Here's the material. Here is what all of these people who are getting like thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars of like membership dues every year, And all your friends will put on your Mason Shriner hats and you go on a Friday night and you have a silly ritual where you're in your robes, walking around a candle and people are reading strange material at you. And then afterwards you go to the pub

down the street and everybody has a beer and laugh about it. Yeah, all that's done. You don't need that shit anymore. This is the material. This is this is it. So so the source of the teachings is very important. So this is I'm gonna read things that are directly from Benjamin Krim. Hell, yeah, you know, we kind of like talk about that. So this book is styled it was obviously written probably like in the

seventies or eighties. It is a It is an interview format between someone who has like no knowledge of any of this, and then the answers are coming from Benjamin. But I've cropped out a lot of the like answer question format and just grab them. So the source of the teachings, The question was like, what's the source? Where does it come from? How's it authentic?

The Ageless Wisdom teachings is as old as humanity itself. This is the teachings of a group of men who have gone beyond the strictly human stage and have entered the next kingdom, spiritual kingdom. They are the masters of wisdom and the lords of compassion. There are men and women like us who have expended their consciousness to include the spiritual levels. There are a large number of these enlightened men on our planet who have been living in the remote mountain and

desert areas for countless years. From time to time they release aspects of their teachings and so far that we can absorb and use them to enlighten us, like the collective consciousness in modern times. The major expression of this teaching was given through Helena Petrovna Bolovatski. One of the founders of the Theosophical Society between

eighteen seventy five and eighteen ninety. Her book The Secret Doctrine is the preparatory phase of the teaching given for the new cosmic cycle we are now entering, which is known as the Age of Aquarius. Whoa a later phase was given through an English disciple, Alice A. Bailey. Every new cosmic cycle we are entering a new one now. The Age of Aquarius brings a world teacher. People like Hercules, Hermes, Rama, Mithra Vyasa, Zoroaster, Confucius,

Krishna, Shankaracharya, the Buddha, the Christ, Muhammad. These are all masters who came from the same spiritual center of the planet called the spiritual or esoteric hierarchy, which is made up of the masters and their initiates and disciples of various degrees. It is also known as the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom of Souls. So like the literal belief here in Theosophy, and

again it's like, how can we prove this? Right? Of course, the literal belief is that these people, through studying the path of ENLiGHT for so many years and developing mastery over their physical, mental emotional and astral bodies are able to telepathically communicate with disembodied souls existing in another realm. That souls who you know, apparently achieved rainbow body or light body have become eternal,

have moved on. Sure, Yeah, but they communicate with us in order to guide us, you know, so like, for example, according to them, Jesus reached light body still exists in another realm. Yeah, dispensing information And it's like every few AONs or thousands of years. They think about it like a Wi fi and they allow us to interphase with them to receive

the next levels of the teaching so that we evolve in this plane. Wow, it would almost be like if somebody was able to interface and communicate with the orbs, you know what I'm saying, Like, because you know, like the Buddhists believe like that's what you turn into basically, right when you become enlightened or rainbow body. There are a theosophical book about UFOs and what they are, And dude, the mind blowing thing is a lot of this stuff jives with like what has been coming to us. I went to a

crystal shop recently and they had a bunch of books. One row is Theosophy directly under was UFOs. Wow. Yeah, it was like right in your face. I think Benjamin Krim wrote a UFO theosophical book and they talk about orbs and light beings. I mean, like spoiler, we're light beings. Yeah, I think it's all the same stuff. So God, what is God? From the theosophical perspective? God in the esoteric meaning is the sum total of all the laws and all the energies governed by these laws and the

manifested and manifested universe. God is impersonal technically meaning there's not one being sitting on a throne. Right. You see what I'm saying. It's the combined energy of everything in all existence and non existence. Nevertheless, that transcendent God is manifest in every aspect of creation, including ourselves. We are not separate from that creation from God. Every human being has the potential of the knowledge, the awareness of all in creation that we can think of as meaning God.

Think about how in the Bible when Jesus said when he was leaving, he said, you know, if you have the belief of a mustard seed, you can move a mountain. You can be as I am and perform miracles as I do, if you just had the faith. Yeah, it's it's secret. You know. We are like him, We are like God. Yeah, that's what That's what came into my mind when you're reading that,

like be like Christ. The masters are God realized, which is a very specific state, and that they have brought their consciousness in terms of the divine spark, the absolute, the self and to complete atonement or as you could say, at one ment with themselves as men on the physical plane plane. The personality and divine aspect are totally integrated. God is everything that exists in all space, between that which exists between you and me and around us,

around everything. All of that is God. God manifests through its creation, which is made of energies at particular vibrational rates. The form depends on the particular frequency of the nucleus and the electrons of these forms. Modern science has been able to break down the cellular structures. This is him speaking in

the seventies. Break down the cellular structures and show that at the center of every atom is a nucleus with electrons all around it vibrating at a specific rate, and that every atom in the universe is made in the same way there's nothing but energy in all of the manifested universe. Yeah, so it's consciousness, yeah, you know, yeah, it's it's like the force. That's

I love comparing it to that because it is like a perfect allegory. But yeah, it's like, you know, like hardcore scientists will use things like that to refute spirituality, but it's like it's kind of bro it's kind of inherently spiritual. Like everything is the same thing, Like everything's vibrating, breaking out of frequency. The tiniest atom has a brain, a nucleus, you know, has It's like as above, so below, it's everywhere. This

is the definition of as above so below. It's like you know when you when when you understand what that means, it's the microcosm is a reflection of the macrocosm. And you know what does microcosm? What does microcosm think? Like this, you're a living human being. You have trillions of little cells

on your arm. If you have the ability or the perception to zoom in and watch these cells, let's just say you become a cell and you watch them on their day to day those cells have jobs, Yeah, they have they have a so to speak, a thought or a consciousness that says, I gotta I gotta do some work here, And they are aware function, they're aware in some way, in some way, they're aware, just like

the blade of grass is aware. Or dude, even even um like slime mold, which has no nucleus, has no quote unquote brain or mind, it still can make decisions right, it can still move and right. And you know, they've tested it and proven it. It's like weird or they've they've proven a single photon of light is aware. Yeah, it most foot exactly like it when when the light is aware that you are aware of it,

Yeah, it knows you're watching. This is proven. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, scientifically proven and this is this is what I'm saying. How why has science so like bent on disproving spirituality It's the same thing. Yeah, science is just explaining spirituality. Yeah, I mean that's why esotericism truly is and it's peak form when you understand it's like the knowledge that science and spirituality are truly one thing working together to prove that we are eternal

beings reincarnating you know in this consciousness plane or whatever. Yeah, that's that's one of the material plane. You know. That's what's the dope about theosophy is it's like why why we got to be black or white? Why why can't we be in the middle? Why why can't it be all one thing? You know, if you look into quantum physics, it's like magic,

yes, literally, and it's you can't distinguish it. Mean, bro, the Marvel movies are literally like based on quantum physics now, and they stuff like quant to me, yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, quantum physics it's like magic. Yeah, it really is spooky action. Well he can specific you know, quantum physics think yeah. So the next part is very uh, this was kind of like new information to me, and it's it's it's really cool, but it's like really strange. It's really far out there.

So I didn't write a lot about it because it's a very complex subject. Okay, but it's anyway, So the theosophists believe it's it's what is known as this part is not what's so out there. It's what is known as let me find the exact word. It is septenary, the idea of the septin eight, so sept meaning seven. So it's apparent that that something

about the number seven is present in every form of creation. Right, Okay, there's seven colors of the rainbow, there's seven notes on a musical scale, right okay, Um, seven h seven hermetic laws, seven days of the week, God created the you know, in Genesis, God created the world basically in six days, and then on the seventh the rest. There's always something about the number seven, denoting some sort of structure that makes the

cycle complete. It's a divine number in most cultures and religions. So here's why the Theosophists have this principle known as the seven rays. And the belief is that there are seven primordial cosmic rays that are this eternal energy that flow through all things. And each of these seven rays, which are also depicted by numbers, and I believe they may be depicted as colors. They dictate the archetypal energy of all things, including including people in their personalities, countries,

planets, solar system, your soul's incarnation, between lives. It dictates everything in the non manifested universe. So, to read from the book, esoteric science postulates seven streams of energy or rays, whose interaction at every conceivable frequency creates everything and cosmos. Each ray is the expression of a great cosmic life, psychically demonstrating its unique energetic quality through the vehicles in which it manifests.

We are the vehicles, right, The human human being is the vehicle of consciousness, whether it be a grain of sand, a man, or a solar system. To say that a man, or a nation, or a planet is on the first or second ray, for example, is to say that they are controlled by and express the quality of that ray. The idea of the septinate is found at many levels and in many branches of our

lives. The seven colors of the rainbow, the seven notes on the musical scale, the seven planes of existence, the seven sacred planets, etc. And seven chas, yes, seven chakras, seven energy bodies. It's exactly

always seven. It's always seven when manifesting, you know some structure, And in keeping with this screen a scheme, there are seven ray types of people, and there's a lot more on the seven rays that I was like, dude, I don't even know where to begin with this, so I left it at that, so very far out their concept, And apparently you can

determine like ray dictates your personality and everyone's different whoa. But alternatively each of us incarnating with the energy influence of you know, one of these particular rays.

Again, it's as above, so below on the macrocosmic scale, with us entering in the age of Aquarius, apparently the influence of the rays or shifting and that's why we're you know, according to this leaving the influence of the sixth ray, and then when Aquarius truly dawns on us will be the influence of the seventh cosmic ray, which is like there's a literal energetic force changing us, like like shining energy through our souls that will be changing us

from the inside out. Wow. Okay, so you mentioned you could potentially like find the ray that dictates your personality, how just studying it and then supposedly you're supposed to read them all and there's a way to you know, it's like your intuition guides you, like, I don't know, there's no there's no I don't know the exact science. There's not a BuzzFeed quiz.

It's not a buzz I mean, there might be. You have to remember, like as far as like esotericism is concerned, theosophy is like at the very rock bottom bedrock of the rabbit hole, right, you know what I mean? I would say level one is like Freemasons, Illuminati. That's that's like people who are aware that there's something going on, but they're really not

initiated into like what it all means. You know, like we've all been there, we all find out their seekers societies running the world, and we're all like, at first, like they worship the devil. They don't. They really don't all worship right, right, right, all right, they don't. There's probably like a handful of that. There's always going to be people who there's yeah, there's always dark stuff. Yeah, and there is dark stuff, and I'm not trying to trivialize that. You know, the

elements of that are true. Theosophy goes to great lengths actually to warn against dark sorcery, dark occultism. They call it the black Lodge that they're like they have play have like extensive materials in masonry. They call the White Lodge. Oh oh, gotcha, gotcha, the White Lodge. So I think I brushed past this, but that's what they call this other realm where these enlightened masters supposedly reside like Buddha and Christ, the White Lodge and this fraternity

of enlightened masters is known as the Great White Brotherhood. Wow. That is wild. And then of course the antithesis of that would be the Black Lodge, which is like the very real people today who are manipulating occult knowledge for very bad, nefarious means to like hinder us the ordinary everyday people from understanding this knowledge. Wow, I may be getting ahead of you or ahead of

myself or whatever. So if if the if the White Lodge has these these like archetypal Christ like figures, are their dark figures within the Black Lodge that are dark archetypal figures there are, But I didn't like go that far. Sure, yeah yeah, yeah, but yes, I could only assume, you know, because it's like like I'm not going to say that, like oh, Hitler's there, you know what I mean, Like I don't know,

like a living person. Yeah, but it's a thing. Yeah yeah, And they're very open about like it's it's it's because of the so to speak, Black Lodge that we fell from Atlantis. Hold up, Uh, that sounds a lot like Kingdom Hearts, Like the there's in Kingdom Hearts, there's like seven hearts of pure Light and thirteen Hearts of pure Darkness, and that that's like and the darkness they're always decked out in black robes, and then the other ones they use light as their like power. That's crazy.

Yeah, sorry, I'm saying, dude, I gotta bring up Kingdom Bolts. I forgot to even mention the other reason I, you know, dove into theosophy as of recently. It's because I recently in the past couple of years. Um, shout out Jim Simi Van. He's he's one of one of the guys who wrote the It was either the forward or the introduction in

my dad's book. And Um, one of the things he told me on the phone one time, I just started talking to him, like, man, I've been really diving into like esotericism lately and hermeticism and narcissism is very fascinating stuff. And he was like, yeah, I'm very interested in like the Theosophists and Bolovotsky and it's like just such a you know, amazing topic

of study. And he told me, like, I really do believe that in the past we were like a precursor godlike race of beings who fell into materiality, like he was like phiosophy, yeah, right, from Atlantis. Yeah, it's all the same stuff. And he was indicating to me like he's he's really interested in it. And then the other thing is, you know, reading the rosa Crucian material where they literally blatantly say like we okay.

So the rosa Crucians very fascinating group. I think they're probably my favorite secret society because they're pretty clear about claiming that they are the oldest secret wisdom tradition known to mankind, and they claim that their lineage comes all the way back to the times of the Pharaoh Thutmost the Third, who this is like post Atlantis obviously, but all these different Egyptian temples and mystery schools are teaching all this stuff in secret, and the Pharaoh Utmost the Third was like,

damn, this is interesting, you know what I mean. So he decreed that all these schools would be united into one one mystery school, and the

Rosicrucians. The Rosicrucians claimed that they are that school. Oh and like there's there's very real evidence that they have been operating in the world since at least the sixteen hundreds, and like there were manifestos popping up all around Europe from the Rosicrucians, claiming that they've been hiding in secret for AONs, waiting for humanity to be on the cusp of get this, the Age of Aquarius. Wow, for them to make themselves public to like dispense the knowledge. Okay,

let me, let me just piggyback off that for a second. Sixteen hundreds. You know, they don't know how old the Pyramids or the Sphinx are exactly, and they they believe that they are actually so much older than we originally thought. Um, they're also learning that like they channel energy literally from the bottom to the top the pyramids, right, Yeah, it's like it's like they are they're they're starting to discover that they might actually be extremely

high tech like structures like energy conduits. Energy exactly, energy conduits. So if those things were built by let's just say the Atlantean society, you know, the Pyramids, the Sphinx and whatever, and then now you're talking about they're in hiding until the Age of Aquarius. And we also know of a little alignment that's supposed to happen in a few years aligning with the Sphinx. Ye, so if we're following that same thread. Then like this is real.

Yeah, and they mapped out when exactly when that was going to happen. They built the sphinx to be like a precise yeah, a compass to the you know. It's like the dude. The craziest part, which is what you just said, is like, dude, think about my dad. He's a he's like a Baptist and I say Baptist because he was born Baptist and then married my mom and became Pentecostal. Dude, he started having experiences in two thousand and seven. He's like, we're like, this is weird.

You know, we we you know, we think they're angels or whatever, but like, what the heck? You know. Then in twenty and twelve, he sees this female entity and she starts coming out talking about the Age of Aquarius. Dude, we had never talked about that, never heard of that. My mom knew the song from the nineteen sixty but that's it. Like it's just weird. And then like me, you know, learning about that in twenty twelve from my dad, and she's showing them all the

Egyptian pyramids and all this crazy stuff. And then I spend the next I guess it's eleven years now going down these rabbit holes trying to corroborate my dad's experiences with all this ancient material. And they very plainly say it's all about

the age of Aquarius. It's like something's happening here. Yeah. That was one of the things that always jumped out to me is that, like, yeah, your dad came from a completely Southern Christian background, and then all of a sudden he has this experience and now he's talking about Egyptian gods and like all this crazy mystical stuff. I'm like, And then and then going

back and finding it an ancient historical texts corroborating that this information. It didn't he didn't just make it up. Yeah, It's like it's like, did he sit around and super quickly read all of these thousands of years worth of history. No, he was told this by a spirit, right, by a spirit. And then we're going back and being like, oh, it's real, Like they've been writing about this for thousands of years, right. That's that is the most mind blowing piece of spooky. It is spooky.

It's very I mean, it's like it's a it's a huge indicator to me that it is real. And then another thing, which like I don't think people really get this part because my dad doesn't talk a lot publicly about reincarnation. But like I'm telling you, when I was like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, out of nowhere, one day, my dad just started talking about reincarnation and like the beings imposed on him that you know, it's what's up.

And like, I didn't believe in reincarnation even until I was like like a few years ago. Yeah, you know what I mean, and he just out of the blue starts talking about reincarnation. I remember being a teenager and he's showing me all these videos on kids claiming they're like, you know, I can remember my past life. There's like documentaries about it. Really interesting. I'm seeing tons of those videos. That's one of the things that

got me fully believing in reincarnation. These little three and four year old kids giving full accounts of former lives that they go back and find records right and corroborate the information like they have like dreams of like specific details in life, and then this documentary crew will take them to the other country they claim they're from, and like the grave is there and like it all checks out,

like it's wild yuff. Oh yeah, wild stuff. But yeah. So that my point with that is like this material theosophy, like it's it's one of the most important things about it is reincarnation and karma. Wow, it's crazy. But yeah. Anyway, So moving on from the rays, rebirth and reincarnation. Evolutionary progress is based on the process of rebirth. Reincarnation is the method of our evolution of consciousness. Every thought, every action that we

have under this law sets emotion a cause. We are creating causes all the time. The effects stemming from all these causes make our lives good or ill. At this moment, we are making the rest of this life and our next life. We are receiving what is called karma. The law of karma is the law of cause and effect. The effects from our previous deeds, good and bad, create the conditions of our life today, and the results of our deeds today create the conditions of the next period of life, either

now or when we return in our next body. The soul magically creates a series of bodies through which it can eventually really demonstrate itself as a soul. At that point, we are well on the way towards the end of the

evolutionary cycle. It takes hundreds of thousands of incarnations per soul. Yeah, But once that point is reached and the soul looking at its reflection, the man or woman in incarnation sees that it is beginning to respond to the soul's quality and is becoming more divine, more unselfish, more altruistic, more concern for other people, and not just for the satisfaction of its own desires. It stimulates the vehicle and begins a process which ends the evolutionary journey, the

process of initiation. Initiation has been brought into life to speed up the evolutionary process. It is not essential. We could evolve without it, but it would take millions and millions of years to get to that point where we are today. Mathematically, if you think about it, every single soul has to go through hundreds of thousands of incarnate Yeah, that would be so many millions of years exactly if there was no initiation phase. There are five great planetary

initiations to perfection. Jesus taught reincarnation. He even in the Gospel he makes comments about John being the second coming of Elias which is an Old Testament prophet, and then the Bible. It's in the Bible. Come on, it's right there. And then exactly, and then there's another there's a parable about a child being born blind. And then Jesus asks the people listening, like how who they ask him? Or no? No, he asks them, so who sinned the child or the father? Think about it? What do

you mean send he was born blind? Yeah? Previous life? Right? Yeah? Who sinned for this child to be born blind? Oh? But that's that's it just goes right over people's heads, of course, because I mean, you're you're trained to completely ignore anything about reincarnation. And then exactly like I think we said this in the very first episode, let's get missed,

the coal um Benjamin Kramm says this right here in the text. The guy asks Benjamin kram well, why is reincarnation so prevalent in the East but it's not mentioned in Western traditions. He says it was. It's just the Emperor Justinius erased it. They had the Second Council of Constantinople, and you can looked this up as history. They had the Second Council of Constantinople and they put a decree banning reincarnation. Yep, it's real history. Literally,

they decreed all kinds of stuff there. They decreed when Jesus's birthday was. They decreed that he was like a divine into tea and you know he was like an incarnation of you know, God and all this stuff, and that he didn't go around teaching reincarnation. It's like that was Constantina do the birthday thing. Oh right, but all the same authorities making these decrees, that's what. Yeah. But yeah, both are true, they're just different times.

But yeah, it's crazy. So like what does that mean? If if this is true, which I know without a shadow of a doubt it is, that means in the ancient past, every civilization was teaching reincarnation, every one of them. It's it's I feel like it's because they were connected with nature, you know what I mean? They like I just saw you

know, uh doctor Debby. Yeah, like he was talking about how like you know, he would go to these remote jungles and locations and ask for healing herbs and he would ask the people he would buy it from, what's this supposed to be good for? And they would say like, oh, it's good for your blood, it's good for inflammation, whatever. And he would take it back to America to the most prestigious like laboratories and have them test it, and they'd be like, it's good for blood, it's good

for inflammation. And he said it told him they are connected to nature. How do they know that? He said, the gorilla, the gorilla in the jungle doesn't have a laboratory. He knows what to eat, he knows what his body needs because he's connected to nature. He was like curing people of cancer with these Oh yeah, and they killed him for it, right, No, I mean straight up. I mean it's a conspiracy, but

like, but it's come on, yeah, come on. Now, there's a lot of headlines that pop up holistic doctors just suddenly dying out of nowhere. It's it's this whole modern society is designed to distract us money. Yeah, well that's the biggest you know, it's funny about that, so check it out. I'm not going to cover this in the material where we can

still talk about it. The theosophists are pretty open about this, that there's like this spiritual corruption taking place in many facets of society and in modern times the dominant corruption is actually the economics. Oh well, dude, absolutely, that's that's where it's It's like, from a spiritual perspective, there is a force crippling humanity through the economic sector. Bro at least here in America where I can speak of. I mean, we were like batteries. We we

live. We have to make money and survive. You're going to jail if you don't pay your taxes literally literally like like we are. It's beat into our heads from the day we're born, like, you gotta make money. If you don't, you won't survive. You know. I think true progress is spiritual. Yes, true progress is energetic, it's emotional, it's it's mental, it's the mind. Yeah, it's not. It's not like buildings and inventions and the faster cars and garbage. Yeah, it means nothing.

That's absolutely. I love what you said about um uh like the you know, I just love talking about reincarnation. But like learning the lessons and carrying those lessons to the next incarnation. That's how the spirit evolves. That's how consciousness evolves. Yeah, there's this there's this actor. I don't remember his name, but um do you remember iron Man one? There was a different actor that played Roadie. Yeah, that guy is like super into theosophy and

mysticism and all that stuff. He he recounts, dude, and I mean, you know, there's no way to prove this or whatever, but I believe him. He says that he remembers being in the womb, in the womb of his mother, like like close to his birth, and he remembers frantically thinking, don't forget, don't forget, don't forget, don't forget, don't forget. And the thing that he was trying not to forget is he says that in his former former incarnation, whatever it was, he figured out

the formula for the flower of life. Wow, and he says, cool. He remembers frantically, don't forget, don't forget, don't forget, And that goes right along with all those examples of all those kids who are born and remember everything. It's like, yeah, I mean, at this point in my life, reincarnation is the easiest thing for me to believe. It's

the answer. It is. I mean it all the all the all the hell, all that punishment and eternal reward, all that goes away, all that goes away, Its fear it's fear, it's it's it's it's lies, it's deception, and like distraction, it's distraction, and it makes so much more sense that like you're just reincarnating here and until you learn how to get it right. Yeah, I guess what everybody, this might sound weird,

but we don't die. We don't die, not really this like shell will go away, but like your soul will never die truly like you what you really are, because we think that we're our personality and we're the things that we have and whatever, but like, no, the core of who you are, it will literally never die ever. It's reincarnation. It's just gonna keep going. And for anybody who's like I hear this all the time. I'll just casually get in conversations with people and they're like, oh man,

what if you're reincarnate into a cock roach. That's like the biggest thing, right, I know, Helena, I mean not Helena Benjamin Krim. In this book, I just didn't include the excerpt. The author asked them the same thing about Eastern reincarnation, and he's like, well, even even the Eastern, the exoteric Eastern traditions get it wrong, and it's a very negative,

pessimistic view. And like in Hinduism they have the cast system, you know how like the pinnacle of society is the Brahmin, the priest, the one. But no, I don't remember the names. You could look that up if you wanted to, Alex. It's c a ste Hindu cast system, yep. And it's like it's kind of like they believe that once you're born into this spiritual placement, that's all you will ever be, nothing more,

nothing less. And if you're born is I think it's like a dolly I believe is, which is like the lowest, Like you're you're a peasant, you get nothing from anybody. You're you're a disgusting piece of trash. If you reincarnate into that, you're you're you're fucked, right, That's what's believed in a lot of these kind of like Eastern mainstream religions. But like even Benjamin Currant, you know, theosophy is like, no, that's that's

not the whole thing. You don't go backwards, if you don't reincarnate, you know, backwards as a dog or whatever. You're always evolving upwards. Yeah, you might have lifetimes where in the last one you made a lot of progress and then in the next one you relapse in your choices. But that's because initiation is painful. We'll talk about that later. So it's kinds of had it a little upside down. Um, the Brahmins are the precy class, and then the lowest is the untouchables. The untouchables, right,

but don't they called Dalites? I mean they haven't. They have like like Hindu names. Yeah, it goes it's four Hindu names and then untouchable. So let me keep looking. Damn, dude, that's okay, Yeah, yeah, just let us know when you find it. So the plan of evolution, this world is in a process of change. It is going through a temporary period of extreme trouble and violence and manifested hatreds. But new energies are pouring into the planet all the time, particularly a great energy from a

cosmic avatar called the spirit of peace or equilibrium. This avatar works precisely with the law of action and reaction, which we'd call the law of karma. Damn, that is it's all that stuff we've been talking about on the podcasts, you know, about evolving towards higher consciousness and age of Aquarius that we've

just kind of intuitively that's that's the whole premise. Yeah, And when I hear that, well, you just said, like there's not an iota of myself that that doesn't recognize that as truth, Like I feel my intuition feeling comfort. Why would physical evolution be accepted as true? But there's no sort of consciousness evolution, you know what I mean? Yeah, it makes no sense evolution. We're not at the peak. We're at the peak of the

physical human kingdom. Yeah, yeah, I believe we're evolving into the next kingdom, so to speak. And it talks about that in here. So

now this part is very deep. Let's go. It's very fascinating, and I want to express that when we're speaking here about initiation, we are not referencing people on a Friday night going to some planned ritual where they were a good boy and they remembered their Masonic lines and they they took the pledge ten thousand times, and then they go and they have a party where they all sit around in robes around a candle and read funny stuff. That is a

fake initiation. That is a metaphorical initiation of people doing plays. They're doing. They're doing dramas to try to understand things that are really deep concepts. When a theosophist speaks of initiation, what they're specifically talking about is entering a doorway of the soul into one of the five evolutionary phases of the spirit between our nations. So when we say initiation, what we mean is your soul is evolving into a higher form through these five stays stages, and more rapidly

than it would yes. The time between the inception of a soul being manifested here in the physical realm and taking the first initiation, so to speak, which according to this written in the nineteen seventies, there's only like a million people in the world who supposedly have even taken the real first initiation. I think it's probably a lot more now in this dantiture, but not most. But anyway, so the time between the soul being manifested here initially millions of

years ago and taking the first initiation is hundreds of thousands of lifetimes. And then the span between the first initiation and the second initiation, they claim is maybe like another fifteen lifetimes, and then the third and the fourth initiations can rapidly be taken in one lifetime. And then the fifth initiation, according to theosophy, is when you become like Christ Buddha, like not just enlightened,

but like a planet, not just rainbow body. That's fourth. I'm saying, a planetary logos that is recognized through the AONs is a name that people who strive to be. That's the fifth initiation, like Christ, Krishna, Zoroaster, all these legendary names that we've been talking about, they've supposedly taken the fifth initiation. The fourth is, you know, becoming a master of Okay, so the first initiation, Okay, So I'm just gonna read the

excerpt. Each kingdom grows out of the kingdom below. It first is the mineral kingdom, the densest from that grew the vegetable Kingdom. From the vegetable grew the animal Kingdom. From the animal kingdom has grown the human kingdom. We owe our body to the animal Kingdom. Out of the human kingdom has been growing another kingdom, which we do not recognize unless we are esotericists,

which is the spiritual kingdom made up of the masters and the initiates. The spiritual Kingdom or Kingdom of souls is the kingdom immediately above the human kingdom. You enter it through the human kingdom as you evolve up to the point where

the soul really begins to demonstrate itself through its reflection. Who said that Socrates know thyself begins to demonstrate itself through itself reflection the man or the woman on the physical plane, You enter the spiritual kingdom through the doorway of initiation. There are five doors through which you pass to become a master. Eventually, every single soul will become perfect in that same way through incarnations. The first

step is the birth of the Christ principle. The whole process is re enacted dramatically in the Gospel story the Life of Jesus, symbolizing this path of initiation.

Of course, it is much older than Christianity. It is almost as old as humanity itself, and it has been presented to humanity over and over again in different ways throughout different myths in the past, and the Gospel story the birth of Jesus at Bethlehem is the symbol for the first initiation, which is called the Birth at Bethlehem, the birth of the Christ in the Cave of the Heart, or known as the birth of the end dwelling Christ that

takes the man or woman into the spiritual hierarchy for the first time and demonstrates control over the physical body. The second initiation is called the baptism and is symbolized by the baptism of Jesus at the Jordan River by John the Baptist. This demonstrates control over the emotional astral vehicle. The third initiation is called the

transfiguration and is symbolized by the transfiguration of Jesus on the mount. For the initiate, this is the culmination of the lower process that integrates the three lower vehicles, the physical, the astral, and the mental. From the master's point of view, this is really the first true initiation because it's the first soul initiation. Then you go to the fourth, which is symbolized by Jesus dying on the cross. It's called the Crucifixion, and the east it is

called the Great Renunciation, where everything is renounced, even life itself. If necessary to demonstrate the lifting of the initiate out of matter into the radiance of the light of spirit, Jesus went through it on the cross to demonstrate it for us physically to set this great experience of renunciation before the world. This is followed by the resurrection. The resurrection of the body of Jesus on the third Day symbolizes the resurrection initiation, in which the man, now a master,

is freed from the pool of matter forever. The Master is in a body which is totally resurrected, a body of light. Every initiation light body. Every initiation confers on the initiate more and more energy of subatomic particles. By the time he or she is taking the fourth three quarters of that body is literally light. They always tell the story of Moses or Jesus. You know, they come down from the mountain and they appear to be light,

right, yeah, blinding. Moses had to wrap his face if you read the Old Testament, because apparently he was face to face with light, and he was shining light before he went away. You know, the Master stands free from the physical planet. Oh my bad. This is completed at the fifth initiation. The Master stands free from the physical planet. He no longer has to incarnate. He is now in a body which is totally transfigured and

resurrected. In the esoterics of the word, many masters do in fact stay on the planet to oversee the evolution of the rest of us, but many

go on to higher planets or even out of this system altogether. One of the prerequisites for beginning the initiatory process, that was the question from the interviewer, and the answer is the soul sees that the person is beginning to reflect its qualities on the physical plane, the emotional astral plane, and the mental plane, and is truthfully becoming more altruistic, that its actions are no longer totally governed by his or her personal desires. The personality becomes negative to the

soul, meaning the ego, the ego. You begin to learn the truth like, the ego is terrible. It limits me from being who I really am. Yes, yeah, you begin to realize this. You begin to shun this and to become more altruistic, which is a fancy word for saying, like your kind, you're compassionate, you're truthful, and your action. Yeah, I kind of feel like that's why, Like on psychedelics, your ego lashes out so hard. It's like you're gonna die, have a bad

trip. You're gonna have a bad trip, You're gonna be trapped like this. It's not good. This isn't good because it's weak. At that point, your ego is weak, it's thin, warrior like face to face with it, which the same thing, right, it seeks Oh, the personality becomes negative to the soul and seeks to carry out soul purpose, even though it might not know it as a soul. Then we see a beneficient person who is rather altruistic, who is really looking for and working towards the betterment

of humanity. He will have made some service and put others evolution in society as a whole somewhat higher than his own his or her own self. It

takes hundreds of thousands of incarnations to even come to the first initiation. Theosophie is very clear about the fact that you could be you could be not believing in anything, and just through the natural evolutionary cycle through many lifetimes, get to this point because you have to understand karma reincarnation, through many lifetimes of suffering and suffering and suffering and coming back here and retaining that soul memory you

you know, everyone will reach the state right. Whatever you believe, it doesn't matter, it's the whole point. But having the knowledge of it is like you know think about it like this. It's like having the knowledge of it can make the process quicker. It's like an accelerant. Yes, yeah, because it's like you know, you're aware of it, you can understand how it works. But it's going to happen to everybody, right, It's like the lessons will be learned one way or another, even if it's subconscious

through. It's just like, if you're subconsciously learning these tiny lessons through in the grand scale a short lifetime, it's going to take a long time for that. Yeah. But if you start digging in and you find the truth and it's like, oh my god, this is the point, this is what it's all about, then like, yeah, you start a momentum that your soul is like on a tract, right, and then you can follow that momentum. Now it's very clear. These are things that are in the

book that I just didn't write down to read. They make it very clear that once you are aware of this knowledge, or as you could say, from the Garden of Eden, you've been made aware of the knowledge of good and evil. You know, like the serpent, oh it brings they're not supposed to eat the fruit, but they ate it and now you're aware the knowledge of good and evil. Well, when you're aware that karma is a very real force and reincarnation is truly happening to you, but you choose wrong

way of action towards others, the karmic devastation is greater. Oh yeah, I mean that makes sense to me because that's I think we actually touched on that on a previous episode. That's like truly one of the most egregious things that you can do. It's like energetically attacks someone. Yeah, you know better, right, So it's going to come back to you. You know,

you put your intention to bypass what is right. You know, there's a lot of people who just don't know better, bro, I mean you're like children, right, Yeah, they don't know better, make mistakes all the time, exactly what we're talking about before. On a different episode, Alex had brought that upright and yeah, and we were talking about that. It's like the Bible says, like you murder with your mind, you murder

with your intentions. Yeah, with your words, yes, Like, that's not the punch that did the damage, it's the it's the heart that wanted to do it. It's it's because like like the body doesn't matter, Like you cool kill a body? Was that really doing? It's gonna incarnate into another? Hey, killing people's not cool. Let me just put that. We're speaking metaphor, of course, but the true evil is intention, those dark feelings and like it's also it's also reflective because if I feel these deep

dark things about someone else, it comes right back at me. It damages my soul, my spirit, and it starts a negative momentum. You gotta that. It's also like quantum physics. You know two articles are you know all particles are entangled? Really, I mean there's there's there's only the They proved this. I think Australian scientists prove this in twenty fifteen. The quantum entanglement is truly real. Oh yeah, which, what was the theory there?

There's truly no physical space and time. It's an illusion that we're observing. Yeah. So, like if you think about it, your hatred towards another being, that hatred towards yourself exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's like at this point you can't deny it. It's the same reason why you can't truly show love unless you love yourself. Yes, the same thing.

Yes, I believe that wholeheartedly. Same I do too, Like, you can't truly reveal an unconditional, honest love towards others until you learn to fill that towards yourself without any sort of outside influence, because you don't even know what it is, Yeah, unless you can give it to yourself. Yeah, it's you know, the most important lessons we learn in this world come from within. That's why, like all the wisdom traditions, everybody,

it's all about looking within because you are everything. You are everything, Everything is everything. Yeah, you know it's it already clearly says like that is God. God is everything, every inside, every atom, Yeah, every atom, everything, every dust mite, it's God. And that's yeah. So that's that's why. That's one of the many reasons why it's so important that you're careful with your thoughts, your energy, you know, your words,

your your actions as well. Like you are damaging yourself if you are trying to damage other people. Correct think about think about when you get caught up in anger, right, you get it's it's like addictive, It's like this this palpable, addictive force of energy. But what happens the more you engage in it. The more you want to engage in it, yep. And the more miserable you are, yeah, the more negative and just complaining,

and your life collapse is around you. Yeah, it's because you're But the problem is people in that state or in so much denial, they can't even clearly see that. Oh no, of course. Yeah. And if you tell them, well, now they're angry exactly. It's like, it's kind of like being depressed. You don't know that you're depressed until after, you know what I mean. Yeah, in the moment, you're like, you can go buy a year, and then when you come out of it,

you're like, I've been depressed for a year. Yeah, I didn't even know. You know. That's that lack of self reflection. That's that not showing yourself love. And that's why, you know, so many people say you want to you want to make things better on the inside, show love outside, Show love outside. That's the first step if you, if you, if you guys are stuck in a negative rut or whatever, start showing love to the people around you. You know what's mind blowing about that?

I know you probably don't remember everything we said in every episode, but do you guys remember in the Karma episode, And I think we talked about this in like the Disney episode like probably two years ago, where I was just like I've got this Jimney cricket thing or let the conscience be your God. And I've been saying like, man, I have this theory that, like, you know, the way to pay off negative karmas by following your

conscience. You remember like me saying that, yeah, you know where that came from, just a deep thought, like I didn't read the yeah, intuition. Theosophers say that verbatim. No, yeah, they'll say it exactly in the language that I say. But the principle is in order to pay off I think the interview asked, how do you get rid of negative karma? And he's like, oh, you know, service towards others and you know, altruistic acts of kindness and love and empathy towards other beings, following

your conscience. Because it's hard for this service, this whole physical realm. All we're taught how to do is communicate with others. We're not taught how to communicate with ourselves, you know, so it's so much harder to know how to go inside and take care of yourself. If you don't have any experience trying to just do selfless kind things from the outside, it's kind of like this endless cycle of like take care of yourself, take care of others.

Take care of yourself, take care of others. You'll get better at both by doing both. Yeah, you'll get better at taking care of yourself by yeah, by being nice to others, you'll get better at being nice to others. If it's like it's like it's like if you if you nurture that energy outwards, it's gonna nurture it inwards. But if you nurture it

inwards, just gonna nurture it otwards. Yeah, it's as both. So below it's like yeah, but if if you if you nurture both, yeah, you know, like yeah, so you know we say like, you can't love somebody until you love yourself. Well, if you don't know how to love yourself, you don't know where to start. Just start being nice to people around you. Just start doing selfless things. Just be kind, listen to people, and then you know, treat yourself, treat others as

you would want to be treated. The golden rule. Yeah, just be kind to people. They mentioned the Golden Rule and this book Wow, and then like they basically say that like the the the Masters of Wisdom or the the you know, the the Great White Brotherhood or whatever, they won't even take somebody into their like tutelage or communication or whatever until it's proven that the initiate's heart is altruistic and has at least been through like the second incarnated initiation

or something. And like they say that to know if someone has taken the first initiation is if there is at least a kernel of motivation to cease negative harmful acts, either to yourself or to others, addictions, the earnest desire

to be better. That is evidence of the first initiation. The second initiation, supposedly, according to theosophy, is beginning to develop the mastery, right, and it's apparently they say it takes like so many lifetimes between the first and the second, because the first initiation is when your soul clicks and that light comes on and you're like, I need to be better, so I

want to be better. Like the first step is be kind that well not, the first step is releasing the denial that yeah, I mean, be kind is a part of it. But it's but it's it's the it's the it's the acknowledgement. It's the attempt to be more altruistic, to stop getting you know, if there's something that's causing you addictions or pain or suffering or

others, you know, to try to shun that. And then they say the soul will relapse, and you know, through so many lives until it finally stabilizes and takes mastery over the emotional body and controls emotional reactions and is like okay, like I'm I am in control of myself. That part's hard to do. It is, that's why there's supposedly so many lives between. That makes sense to me. It's hard to learn that lesson. It seems like it would be too hard to learn that lesson in one lifetime. Exactly,

it really does. Exactly. I've been through periods of my life where like I'm good at doing that, and then like I'll slip into a bad mode of where I'm right back where I was, where I'm being, you know, not anywhere near as kind, I'm not thinking of others, and I'm like, oh man, I thought I was I thought I was doing good there I feel like there's no way you could possibly learn that in a life, in one life to no way, Yeah, no way. You

know. The good news is apparently everybody will get there, you know, because the point is you have the knowledge, work towards it. That's all you can do. But um, and this book goes into so much more detail about all of this. I took like like a paragraph each section, you know, and there and there are so many books about this. But anyway, so moving on from that, the Masters of wisdom, it's like,

who are the masters of wisdom? They are elder brothers. By the way, when my dad was first taken by these beings, he always told me that they gave him the sense or the impression that they were like family, like his brothers. And then they walked him out towards where the lady was. He said that they gave him the sense that they were his brothers, like his spiritual brothers. Um, there are elder brothers. They have gone ahead of us, having finished the evolutionary journey on which we are still

engaged, have taken upon themselves the responsibility of overseeing our evolution. They teach the correct way. The correct way is the way of selflessness, lack of ego. This is the hard way. It's slow because we are all so egotistical. One of them everybody knows. The Master Jesus and Palestine was a very advanced disciple, a fourth degree initiate, just short of a master.

He took the fourth initiation, the crucifixion openly on the outer plane. Normally you're not expected to die on a cross when you take the fourth initiation. He did that to symbolize for us dramatically that great experience of renunciation. He is now a master, becoming a master in his immediate next life as a polyanis of Tayana. That's a real historical figure who was involved, like Christian

writings, who opened an ashram in North India where he is buried. From that fact has come the legend that somehow Jesus didn't die on the cross, that he was secreted out of Palestine, secreted and not secreted, secreted out of Palestine and went to India and is buried there. It was this being who was Jesus. But in his next incarnation as a Polyanist, Jesus is now a very advinced master the Christ. The Orthodox view is that he is the one and only Son of God. Actually, there's no such person.

There's never been, and there never will be such a person. Every single man, woman, and child in the world is a son or a daughter of God, and every one of us has in potential that divinity. There's only one divinity, and we all share it. The only difference between the Christ and ourselves, the Buddha and Christna or end ourselves or excuse me, the Buddha or Christna end ourselves is that they have manifested their divinity. They know that they are sons of God and they demonstrate it. We do not

know that we are sons of God. We are taught otherwise by the Church. We are taught that we are born in sin and only in the agency of Jesus can we know God. This is wrong. They're forcing us into idol worship. Yep. They're forcing us into pay and practices of putting. This is just me speaking. They're forcing us into depicting Jesus as being cut up and sliced and fucking diced and bleeding out on a cross. And we're supposed to worship this icon of our God dying and it's sick and in the

same book. It says take no idols. Yeah, like Jesus said that the guy that they're idolized the dude. Yeah, it's sick. It's just it's honestly black magic. Absolutely, it's sick. It really is. And like I don't I don't want to get too deep conspiracy here, but like if if, if there was some dark force out there the Vatican or I mean a spiritual force and energetic, a dark energetic. That's the next section. That's a pretty efficient tool at getting people to look away from the truth.

Yeah, think about it, man, like the tithes and offerings. You know, it's crazy, man, I've all sometimes I think, like, apparently I'm wrong. According to theosophy. They have their own explanation of the Antichrist, which I think is brilliant. I want to hear that it's next, it's next. But one time I was thinking, like, you know, when you really think about it, Look, it's no secret almost one hundred episodes in like how much I revere the life in the story of

Jesus, I'm not. I'm not like, I'm not like Anti. You know, you gotta hit him with the quote, come on, he's the most bad to the bone stage of all time. I'm not I'm not like say the line and he's jacked and you know, Nati lines and you know all that, Like I'm not I'm not like I just want to be very

clear, like I'm not like anti Jesus. I'm not anti Christians. I'm anti corporate establishment like overlord tyrannical Christianity that says you're going to burn in hell flame forever if you like think a little different, you know, or whatever, whatever, whatever. But sometimes I wonder if that Christian system in place, which is like the domin the paradigm of the world for so many more years, Like what if that was truly the Antichrist? Dude, I that's

kind of what I was getting at. I didn't want to offend, you know. I was like, that might that might make people a little uncomfortable, but you know, it is an interesting thought to kick around. That's kind of what I meant by like, that's a that's a powerful tool, you know what I'm saying. It's like the Bible talks about the anti Christ and Satan and these dark forces distracting from the truth and all this stuff. It's like, all right, let's follow that thread. If if at one

point it talks about Lucifer. I mean, he was in the highest order of angels, right, He's extremely powerful, extremely intelligent and all this stuff. You think that he would if if he, you know, devoted his existence to defying you know, God or Jesus or whatever. You think he's just gonna like get cast down and then just like chill and be in hell and like, oh, I guess that's it, that's it whatever, Or is he going to be like real tricky about it, real tricky, you

know? And and I don't. That's that's dangerous waters. I don't believe that. I don't. It's interesting to think about, that's all. I'm not telling you that the Bible is evil. I'm not telling you that Christianity is evil. Yeah, it's not. I'm not. It's it's natural that every system that takes place on this earth has a hierarchical, hierarchical power structure that is almost certainly always corrupt at the top, for sure, in every

in every field, even in education. Bro you see you you hear stories of like superintendents doing shady shit over schools, you know what I mean, or governors or or or your local mayor doing shady shit. Every system is corrupt. Why is why is? Why are the religious systems? They're not not us. It's it's pure true gospel exactly. It's like, listen, there are some incredible, beautiful, profound things about the life of Jesus and the Bible. All I implore the listener is like, focus on those things.

Focus on those beautiful, incredible things. Don't focus on like hell and burning forever and Satan and all this like whatever. Just focus on the good. Focus on the good. Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen. By the way, where that comes mom? Raw yep ye. So I've got two more, actually three more sections here, but they're nowhere near as long, at least some of them. The Antichrist, it's it's just to make it very simple. There's more information on this, but I didn't

want to. The Antichrist is mister Beast. We know that we don't actual conspiracy. Mister Beast is the anti Christ, and I find it so funny. It's it's funny, it's so funny, but I'm dying the theosophy. The Antichrist is not a man, if it ever was a man. They say it's Emperor Nero. It already. It's an energy that incarnated in the

form of Emperor Nero. And actually, what's funny about that, I learned this in college when I was doing religious studies, that the real mark of the beast is not six to sixty six, but it's six one six and it's a jematria cipher for the name Nero. And you have to understand, the first gospel ever recorded mainstream gospel, there was a document called Q. It's a long, nerdy academic story. There was a document called Q that came out many years before the other gospels. They all were reading it and

pulled from it and published the gospels with this information. The first gospel of the Gospel of Mark was written in the year sixty nine. Well, what happened in seventy that's when the Romans like came and destroyed the Temple. It was like hell on earth. The Jews thought it was the end of the

world. They were being slaughtered by the Church. I mean, not the church at the time, but you know the Romans, right, So they were writing a secret cipher about this Antichrist being the emperor of the time, Nero. Whoa That happened two thousand years ago. Yeah, everybody's like, there's a man, there's it's it's this guy, it's that guy. Well, la la la la laha. You know what I mean, it's not

true now in modern times. According to theosophy, in modern times, the Antichrist has already came and gone long before we were even born, and it was in the form of World War One and World War Two. Whoa, it's already gone. Whoa, it's gone. Now is the time of Aquarius for the christ energies to be returning and guiding us towards enlightenment. That that blew my mind, because I mean, can you think of a more evil, disgusting time? And millions upon millions of people were slaughtered in those two

wars. You want to hear it crazy? They were only a few years apart. Dude. You want here a crazy fact. You know when the airplane was invented, uh, nineteen twelve, nineteen, well it was. It was invented in oh three, it was like right right, nineteen, commercialized in eleven or twelve. You know when we dropped a bomb out of a plane when nineteen forty five, less than fifty years after we made the plane. Yeah, that's insane. That's disgusting. Weren't they using them in

World War One for guns on him? Or? Am I wrong on that? Where they're not? There were? There were, like I'm talking about like us mass death. Yeah, within fifty years, in an instant, hundreds of thousands of lives disappearance. So you want to talk about human progress like progress, that's your progress. That's progress. The powers that bees progress, That's what I'm saying. Like that. If you you want to buy

physical progress versus spiritual that's what physical process progress gets us. It's it's mind body Anyway, I'm sorry. I have two more sections here and then we'll give them a break. But Origin of Man, early animal man, not quite truly human but no longer simply animal, had reached a certain point in its evolution with a strong, coordinated feeling body and at minimal a sentient or feeling astral body and the germ of a mind, an incipient mind that would

later form the nucleus of a mental body. When that point was reached eighteen and a half million years ago, the human soul is waiting on the soul plane for just this moment in evolution, incarnated for the first time in these animal men. That is the fall from paradise of Adam and Eve. It was a metaphor. The whole thing is a metaphor. It was not a fall from grace, but it was a deliberate part of the plane of evolution

that the human souls had to give up paradise living in palaya. It's an Eastern term, a wonderful paradi wonderful paradiet, that's hard to say, paradisaical, paradisaical, paradisaical state of endless bliss and eat of the fruit of tree of knowledge. It's in quotes. Obviously, it's a metaphor, which is to take incarnation on the physical plane in these as yet animal men. So all the all, the garden of ed and all that is a metaphor.

It's not it's not literal. Right, This is what happened that has been misinterpreted as a fall of grace, That Lucifer was a great angel, but he rebelled against God and thought he was good as God, and so was put out of heaven. It's a story. It's only a story totally misinterpreted. It is really a story of the incarnation of the human evolution. Evolution is sped up through meditation and service. These are the two levers of the

evolutionary process. Nothing moves you forward faster than correct scientific meditation and powerful altruistic service to the world. The soul comes into incarnation in the first place to serve the plan of evolution. It is aware of the plan of the logos of the planet, and it seeks in every way to carry out that plan. The major aspect of that plan is the spiritualization of matter, which the

soul does by entering into incarnation. So, like the basic premise here is every incarnate soul, at the very most remote, minute place, deep in the psyche, in the subconscious mind, desperately is seeking to help serve creation in the plan of evolution. But most of us are so traumatized by our waking lives and all this bullcrap from this hellish material world that we chose to

come to. It takes so many hundreds of thousands of lifetimes to think about nosis that that light flicks on. Take that first initiation, you know the truth. Oh my god, I've just been reincarnating the whole time. That's the truth. Or as they said in the Lighthouse, remember the light and it's like Prometheus brought this light and then was punished. It is all a metaphor. But so then this is the last part, and I saved this

for last. It's towards the end of the book, but I saved it for last anyway, because I figured, if you got to this point in the episode, you're probably really interested. And this is the most controversial part.

And I do think that it's important, as you know, beings who potentially are seeking enlightenment to understand that you can listen to, or entertain or rematerial from a point of detachment, which means you're controlling your emotional react hearing information, you know, and you're not letting it control You're you're not letting it you know, while you up, you're not letting it freak you the fuck out because you're in control. You know, you're on the path to

become a master. But Lucifer is a large part of Theosopher from a metaphorical perspective, And this is the reason that I spent so long waiting to dive into theosophy, because I was like, I don't want to deal with that. I don't I don't know what to think of that like that, and people are so touchy about like the name and you know whatever. But we're coming from the at this from a perspective of like this, I'm just trying to find answers exactly like you said, detached, and they make it very

clear that this is not some form of worship. This is not an entity they make I mean not that it's not an entity, but it's not like a god that is worshiped. When I first ever heard of theosophy, the lens in which I understood it to be was it was like Luciferian devil worship. And it's because this kind of conversation is in it. But then when you listen to what it's saying, it's like not that way at all.

So I'll just read this part from the book. But in popular culture, and certainly to a degree in religions, the Antichrist, Satan and Lucifer are personified. It makes for great drama, of course, But what is the esoteric view of Satan or Lucifer. Satan is what we call the Antichrist the forces of material at the forces of materiality, there's not an actual devil or

the picture. It's not a being. There's not one singular entity actually truthfully powerful enough to have control over the entire collective consciousness of all of us, wonderful light being. It's a joke. That's that's created to ensnare us and keep us in fear. It's an energy, it's it's it's the energy that is trying to hinder our evolutionary progress towards light or towards you know, God, like the chirons from Greek mythology, Yeah, from Gnasticism. They're trying

to keep keep our souls here. It's trying to trap you and like, don't don't look towards the light exactly. Satan is what we call the Antichrist, the forces of materiality. These have the role of upholding the matter of the planet. Lucifer is seen by the Christian groups as the devil. It's nothing of the kind. Lucifer is really the name of the great Angel who in souls the human kingdom. Every human soul is an individualized part of one

great over soul. Yeah, yeah, we talked about that all the time. We're all pieces of one thing. But what this is saying the name of that great over soul, which is divine, is Lucifer. So what they're saying the metaphor or the story of this being of light falling from perfect spiritual reality into the material world. Who is us? Whoa and think about what the Bible says, Like the Bible says that like Satan or Lucifer is the king of the earth, he's like this is his kingdom. It's us

as wild. So who is the devil? There is no individual devil. You could say that the opposite of good is the devil, and that is also inside every one of us, the greed, the selfishness, the greedy personality expression of individuals. But in esoteric terms, deeply profoundly, the devil or the forces of evil or the forces of materiality have a role of looking after the fires of the planet. The planet is a living, breathing entity,

which is what the lady told my dad. These fires are controlled scientifically, otherwise they would explode and the planet would be destroyed. The whole thing works under law. The lords of materiality, having the role of upholding the matter of the planet, work with the subhuman evolution or the subhuman devic evolution, which is like a spiritual kind of entity. The elementals on the involutionary arc to carry out that work. They are not content with that, but

overflow onto the evolutionary arc, and that is the evil comes in. We are esoterically speaking, or for those who have eyes to see an ears to hear, if you understand that the truth is a metaphor, we are esoterically Lucifer, rebelling against our perfect spiritual nature before we incarnated here, damn, falling into matter, being imprisoned here. But we are also equally and remember everything is duality. Yeah, we are also Christ right right, and that

is the way that we evolve back towards God. So it's like we were punished, you know, hypothetically speaking, but they're clear that it's all a metaphor and it's not real. Well, and you're you're literally describing, I mean what that says right there in no way like glorifies Lucifer or like any of that. It's still the core message. Just still be like Christ.

It's not it's not like, yeah, that's funny that you thought it was like Luciferian worship like years ago when I first heard about it, right, right, it's And it doesn't help that in the eighteen hundreds, when Helena Blovotsky published her first magazine. She called it Lucifer. Why did she do that? She was shocking people? Yeah, and like that's what I was saying, Like I don't, I don't necessarily think she got a lot of pushback, and it's like I hate to say it, honey, but you

had to come in and you know it's funny now. But like, yeah, I like the later material because it's a lot more direct, like this is what we're actually about. Yeah, you know, this is what we're about people, And um, it's it's fascinating, really deep stuff, and um, I mean yeah, the core message is still just like be like

Christ. Still you're you're still moving towards the good. You're still like there's there's nothing in there that you just read that suggests that it's like, well you're Lucifer, so just be Lucifer and be you know, materialistic and bad. And no, it's still like that's that's the distraction. This is the distraction. Yeah, it's literally like away from half to take control over your different It basically is talking about in the deeper levels of information like initiation,

human and soul are very fascinating, both very high level. Um. I had to put it down because I was like, I gotta read through this other stuff first before it, and um, it's it's it's talks about like the level of consciousness that you are seeking to manifest on all planes of reality. Think about this, everything everywhere, all at once. Dud dude.

She's she's she's becoming a master in every of her known universes. It's like theosophy when you think about it. But how is she becoming a master through through altruism? Being kind of joy? Learns that from her husband, who is like, this is how I fight. He's like, yeah, you fight your way. I fight by being kind And she learned that from him, and that's when she finally ascends. Right, Ah, so cool,

It is so cool. Yeah. I mean the core message is still like, no, don't be like Lucifer. Yeah, don't be like that. Don't be like that. Don't you were like that. That's why you're here? Oh wow, bro. Yeah. Like the fact that that could be so misconstrued, it's just because it's a hot button word that people get freaked out about or whatever. It's still saying don't be like that. That's why I was saying, Like, you're seeking to become a master, control your

emotions and when of information is being presented to you. Understand that only you are in control of yourself and how you react, you know what I mean. Just because you say a word doesn't mean that, Oh my, that's ober, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, it is what it is. That's It's just a beautiful message. It's just another metaphor of how we can be better. Yeah, move away from the Lucifer,

move towards the Christ. That's it. And I'm like pretty open about the fact that I don't think truthfully people should worship anything or anyone, right. You know. It's like if you were to work ship anything, worship the force of love, you know what I mean, embody love and like shine that into other beings like that. At all you really need to know is that, yes, God is real, but like you are. You know, if if you thought of understand this, any speck of light that

you see with the human eye, that's sixty photons minimum. Sixty photons is the minimum requirement for you to be able to observe physical light. So think about that. Okay, wow, that's sixty photons. All sixty of those minute imperceptible particles of light are bonding together so that we can observe even a tiny speck of light that's our soul to God. We are all those tiny little photons, but God is all of the light collected. Come on,

that's that's that's how it works. We we are all like we're the lens in which quote unquote, God sees reality through or sees experiences men infested reality. Wow, dude, I want to read this book. Um, you get it for ninety nine cents on Kindle. Oh, I'll do that. You can also find it free online and it's not long. I might try to find a used copy somewhere. Oh yeah, I like, yeah,

yeah, yeah, but um, that's that's all I got. So damn bro, my gears were spinning this whole episode that that was thought provoking. Yeah it's a good read too. Damn that was like super inspired and there's way dude. Okay, one last thing, okay, truly, one last thing. And I told you about this last week on Xbox and you were like, what the fuck? But that they have a really crazy, kind

of far out there view. I haven't fully accepted this because, like, again, I resonate with most of this material, but I believe, like you have the right to be detached when studying things and allow yourself to you know, process things. You don't have to necessarily accept things, right, Like, even in twenty twelve and my dad told me about the lady,

it took me years to truly understand. I've not seen her, you know what I mean, right, I've only ever talked about her with my dad anyway, took me years to understand and accept that I believed he was telling me the truth took me years to accept. So this is something that I

have yet to accept. But it's so fascinating. So the Theosophists claim that as in the Western world and in the Eastern world are two very different Basically, they're like two different realities, bro Like, when you think about it, they are. We're like, we're like two different worlds on one plane, yea. And in the East, that office that reflects the pinnacle of God's reflection through mankind is the Buddha, right, and then in the West

that's the Christ. But the Theosophists go to say that in the great New Age that's coming, there's going to be a new office that returns called the Matreya, that is an incarnate soul that has the incarnation of the wisdom of Buddha and the love of Christ, or rather, Boodh is the wisdom of God and Christ is the love of God. They are claiming that the Matreya is a being that will incarnate, that will have both energies present, and

one who will unite the whole world into a new knowledge. That's so cool. So it's the first I'm ever hearing this like a week or two, you know what I mean. I mean, I've heard it like I've someone mentioned that to me before a long time ago, and I was like, bullshit, it's deep, dude. So they, the Theosophists, really do believe in the second Coming of Christ, like literally like a human incarnation, and they believe he already came in the nineteen seventies as a guy named,

um, let me think of his name, Christia Murdy. They believe he already came. What I gotta look, okay, I have to look into that person. Yeah, Christna Murdy. It was a real person. You can look him up at if we could look it up after. But he's a real person that I think. He was born in India and he while he went around the world like but like press conferences, like teaching, like theosophical shit, am I saying I believe this man is Christ? No?

But right, they claim it. Yeah, it's super interesting, crazy, that's awesome, that's so cool. Deep, that's super deep. That's all I got, all right. I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. That was amazing. Great job, Ryan, that was sick. Uh love you guys, Love you guys. Bye, y'all, guys. Weird things happened in the backyard what so house? Yeah, yeah, so weird. Kind of closer too, like spirraling on the inside of it. No one knows. Man, wo it's come for I never time. Shine ain't happy.