Weird things happened in the back yard. Weird, weird, weird. Wow, what's up your beautiful light being? That should be the way we start every episode. What's up you beautiful light beings? Yeah? What you said that was sick. Light kind of has a ring to it. Light being, lighting, light beings, light beings. It almost sounds like one word light beings, light beings. Dude. I don't know why. I just like feel so good when I say that. I kind of do too.
Thanks Alex. This before we get started here. That is one of my mantras. What or yeah, I'm a light being? Oh? I like that, bro, I light that. I like that. Do you remember that video? Okay, so I remember back when we were in high school in like early college years and we barely yeah, barely, and we got
like really obsessed. It was this new internet culture of like cringe videos, you know, but like when it like first hit Yeah, and like I'm talking like two thousand and ten, two eleven, and there was this video that that our mutual friend Josh showed me and I may have showed you, but it's like this weird ass video of this dude, like and like green and blue makeup, and he's got like a pickle on the table. I just gotta show you. And he's like he's like talking about like ham sandwiches.
It's really weird, really abstracted, and he's like, hey, my mantra with me. You remember that ship if he looks like he looked like, oh, Greg, dude, so honestly, like we gotta find that. Oh no, I can, I can find it. Every time I say mantra, I think of this weird video. Every time you say mantra, you think about that at least half the time. Yeah, and like back back then when I was here, and it's like very like Eastern like it's like a satire of like spiritual stuff. You know. It's like a
really absurd video. And like that's always in the back of my mind when I say mantras. Hey my mantra with me, dude, it is. It is so weird. It's it's like old Greg show. I don't even know if I want to see the video because you do it so good, like it's gone. I'm all right, Yeah, I don't want to say mantra anymore. It's it's one of those like extreme shot cringe videos. But
anyway, Yeah, so the fascination I have for light beings. Like, I don't know, it's weird because when we first started seeing these beings, I say we you know, obviously my dad and my brothers saw him first, and they they appeared as lights, you know, they were glowing. And I actually pulled an old article where my dad had done an interview with um move On back in like twenty thirteen. I like a follow up on
his experience and follow up with the lady experience. Yeah, Like after after he started you know, talking about that publicly, more people started coming around asking questions and like people out there might not understand like the nuance of what I'm about to explain. But this was this was kind of like a real issue, like when Dad and Junior first came out with their experience, like it caught the attention of at the time, like what you would say,
the UFO world, UFO culture or whatever. And he was, you know, traveling around the country being a keynote speaker at all these conferences even back then. And and here's the funny part. I can't tell you how much we got harassed by so many people trying to convince us as aliens and from the start, Dad was like, I it was an angelic experience. And his original report and his like right up in two thousand and eight to move on, he said he actually it was two thousand and seven that he did.
Sorry, documentary came out in two thousand and eight and two thousand and seven, and his original write up he said, I feeled the experience was angelic and like there's been this whole thing about Look, he changed his story. Yeah, first he said it was aliens. Dude, he said it
was angels. Like no, he you know, from the start he said it was angelic, and Bro, I can tell you that the night that you and Jeremy told me about the experiences and stuff, you were already immediately telling me like Dad says, they're angels, Like Dad, Dad says, they're like light beings. They're not like like actual little aliens. Yeah, Like immediately right off the bat, y'all y'all were saying, like, I remember that night, immediately the first night you guys telling me that, Yeah,
like that from the whole, like that's never changed. Yeah, because I remember telling my parents about it, and the way that I told them about it was like it's not like an alien thing. It's it's angels. He says it, it's angels. You know, yeah, I remember it vividly. There was no changing of the story. I just know it to people the same exact way too. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, they they think it's angelic. And so church people don't like aliens, and aliens
alien people don't like church people. So that's the that's the problem. That's the problem. Like the church people hated us because they thought it was like demonic alien shit. The alien people hate. They were the worst. Yeah, well maybe the church people were the worst, but like the alien people hated us because they didn't like the spiritual shit, and like we we were
like literally in the bullseye target of controversy in this subject. But my point is, you know, from the start, Dad maintained that they were these angelic beings. They appeared as these glowing figures, and they told Dad that they serve creation, they are the guardians. They didn't say the word angel. They just gave him the impression, right right, you know, they said that they work with creation, and that was the words they use.
We are the guardians, We serve creation, and we tend to humankind, or we tend to earth like a terrarium like a garden, and we maintain evolution throughout time and make sure that, like you guys, don't if they didn't know each other. Well, not just that, but it's like from what these beings explained to my dad, if they didn't throughout the eons like guide our actual evolutionary process, we would mutate out of control and die off.
Oh wow. And they actually showed him like in his original experience when he was on board their light. I don't know, I don't want to call it a ship. It was like a well, it's like the way that I've been thinking about it is like it's like a metaphorical ship. Yeah, you know, it's a dimensional thing. It was a vision like what your dad had that experience. It's not like his physical body went somewhere.
His soul did. But that's true a lot of the times. But he was gone, Oh yeah, well I know I know that he went up and was gone. But like what I'm saying is it's a spiritual experience. So like and obviously if these are intelligent beings, they know that, like they can't break this man's brain by showing him something he can't in any way comprehend. So it's like it appears as like a little bubble or a ship or like, you know, which is why, Yeah, that's a good
point. It appeared to be like he was on some sort of thing so that he could comprehend it exactly. But you know, that's that's precisely the reason why he wasn't able to remember it at first, and it had to be taken out through regression because it's so traumatic to the brain to experience, you know, all this stuff, especially you know, there was no precedent for this, no one you know, was experiencing this. But anyway,
so, um, he always maintained their angels. The being said the guardians they serve creation, and they they basically said, like they tend to life throughout time and and guide the evolutionary process of all life here. And they showed him creatures like they had and and like the one that stands out to me is he had like they had like dogs with like duck bills and like all kinds of strange like morphed versions of like things we have here, like
like it's a garden. They're just like growing life. And Okay, so twenty thirteen comes around this this is you know, six years after the initial encounter, that adds up right, seven and six to thirteen. I'm so bad at math, bro I failed math basically every time I ever took it in my life, college, middle school, high school, all of it.
So in twenty thirteen, this gentleman's name is Norm Gagnon. He was one of the very first Moufon reporters on the case, and then he was kicked to the He was the second reporter, and then he was kicked to the curb, and then they brought on the documentary crew, the government people. And his question to Dad in this article that he wrote in the Moufon Journal in twenty thirteen, was do you believe your ENTO team messages contradict or
support your religious faith? Dad's answer was, this is the question of all questions, one that will be front and center in all of our lives. Soon. The question is no longer do they exist? We have to move past this. Everywhere people see the UFOs, The question now is who are they? More pertinently, I was born and raised as a Christian, and at one time I was even a deacon in the church. The same my faith was severely scrambled for the longest time, beginning from the first day of
the abduction. But I can now say I believe in Christ even more, but in a different way. The experience I had was I believe to be of a divine experience, like Ezekiel's wheel. Within the wheel, I will say this, I was given a divine message that I intend to tell to
all who will listen. So like I remember being a little kid and Dad telling me like after his experience, he started talking about the Bible different, like you know, you know Moses talks about Exodus, and or you know, in Exodus, the story of Moses, he said, it talks about for forty years in the desert, they were guided by a pillar of fire by night and a cloud by day. And you know, again, obviously
we have an esoteric approach to the Bible. We don't necessarily believe in all this stuff literally, but if you read between the lines, it's like, you know, these ancients are saying some strange fiery object is guy eating us through the desert and like protecting us from our enemies, and like that's weird. Why is that weird? Well, fast forward a little bit to two thousand and twelve, when Dad and I met doctor Diana Pasolka, professor at
u NCW. You know, for those who don't know, that's University of North Carolina, Wilmington, and through dad, hawks Go Hawks, Go Hawks, Go Seahawks. Yeah, that's where my wife graduated and my brother Jeremy. But anyway, so she happened to be a professor here only two hours away from where we lived, and Dad had been talking with her for a
while. He introduced her to some people in the intelligence community and she got involved with like research with some of these clandestine figures, and like in her book she talks about how she went to the Vatican, point being in her research going to the Vatican physically she discovered by actually having access to physical ancient manuscripts. You know, the Vatican has the like original like the Dead Sea squirrels since well, like the original, like even the old New Testament scrolls,
like lots of them, and like some of these gospels. Dude, there might be five thousand manuscripts of of one gospel. Yeah, yeah, yes and added. And that that's like from an academic perspective studying religion, that's why it's so mind expanding, because you learn, like, for example, the only time in the New Testament where it verbatim says this is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. The only verifiable time in
the Bible that it actually says, I mean the Gospels. All the people were writing the shit later, you know, in Paul and all these other apostles that came like one hundred and fifty to one hundred years after Jesus death. But in the Gospels, the only time it says this is the Son of God is the very beginning of the Book of Mark. And it's like
the opening to the Book of Mark. But like you know, for scholars who have access to these manuscripts and can see the lineage of these texts and how they were changed over time, that was added way way way after that ship was oh yeah, that was never in the original text. Oh my
god. Anyway, that's a tangent. So she determined through studying these manuscripts that any time in the Bible when it talks about and and sure there are some times when it will be like the rain and the sky and the clouds and the sun like it it's sometimes is talking about clouds, right, But but any time, and there are many times like hundreds of times where it'll be like God appeared before the crowds on a cloud, you know. Yeah,
the literal original word and the manuscripts was not referencing weather phenomenon. It was a word called oh funding, which there's evidence that King James, you know, the story goes in the sixteen hundreds, King James like put out the translation for the common man to have, like King King Henry I believe
the eighth, which is allegedly my ancestor. But King Henry the Eighth was the guy who like started to get savvy with like using the Bible as like a control mechanism for the people and like finding value and using it publicly, if that makes sense. Like I'm let's break that down real quick. The Bible at that time was the media. Yeah, so one of the first powers that be to take advantage of the media to manipulate the people. The
royal family exists today, just the media is different. Nobody's reading the Bible, you know what I mean, So very very interesting there, Yeah, And like if I remember correctly, I don't. I don't know if I don't think at the time of King Henry the Eighth, even like the Bible was just you couldn't just walk around with the Bible, right, you know what I mean. Yeah, But then King James came around did his translation, which is like the old what's it called the King James version, you
know, James version. Of course that's how many that's how many years removed Diana the Church. But like the King James version, and like he King James was the guy who like made that shit available for like the masses. But there were edits for the masses. You see what I'm saying, And there's there's true there's proof of this. Oh yeah, you know these scholars starting the text. So anyway, any time in the Bible, and I'm not talking about you can just read the King James version and see this.
I'm talking like you're inside the Vatican secret archives and you have access to the lexicon, you know, and you can you can see the original words and get your lexicon and like you know Hebrew, you know, Greek, you know, Aramaic, whatever, um. You can you can see the words and like focus on them and look through your lexicon. She sound that the word was ophanine, which if you know what that is, it is actually
according to the Catholic hierarchy of angels. They believe there are nine orders of angels, and Ophanine is what in the New Testament they would call the thrones, which is like it always says that God, you know, or the celestial beings ride on a throne. It's like a chariot. It's a it's a it's a They believe it's like a race of angels that are also like
celestial chariots. Yeah that sounds like orbs. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, like that's they they know the people at the Vatican, which is like, you know, some of the most powerful people in the world. Like they know what the deal is. They know that it's not just aliens, Like they know that this is an ancient spiritual phenomenon and honestly, like it's more ancient than the Bible. Oh yeah, way before them. It's just that's kind of like the paradigm. Yeah you know.
But anyway, so that's that's insane. And like, so Dad had his original encounter with the lady in twenty twelve. We were negotiating a movie with the writers of The Conjuring for nine years that fell through for various reasons,
but um, anyway. So in the midst of writing that you know, script and working on that and you know, not being allowed to speak publicly for certain amounts of time, they were doing some work to like piece the story together for a storyboard, and they got in touch with Barbara Lamb, who's like a pretty well known like hypnotherapist who does regressions in this field. Yeah, she's just a hypno therapist, but like apparently a pretty well known
one in like the UFO world. And they facilitated a private regression with my dad and Barbara Lamb. And when he was you know, first of all, Dad's Lady experience was conscious. It wasn't like two thousand and seven, where you know, he couldn't remember the majority of it. Like you know, if if you know the story two thousand and seven, Dad sees the orbs, he walks down the trail to him only fifteen minutes past. It's really gone four hours. He gets home, and then there's an entity in
the yard. That's all he remembered for a year. But the union exactly. Yeah, the two thousand and twelve experience was not like that. He consciously remembered all of it, right, like like he experienced it lucid like he was there and but he had the regression. And in the midst of all that, there were other details that surfaced that were very vivid descriptions of things that like, when I'm speaking to him and asking him all these questions,
he's he's not as you know. It's like, dude, if you if you ask somebody to tell you a story, like let's say I asked you about your experience at the grocery story as your day, Yeah, you might forget to add the part about how you went down the bread aisle. It's just how the brains are you know? You don't you don't you don't. You're not committing every single thing that you're doing all the time to memory
exactly. Yeah, but with the regression, a lot of extra detail came up right, and it was like really profound because it allows you to remember all those little details and stuff exactly. Oh. By the way, dude, when I listened to those tapes yea from from like Monroe, Yeah you know that we talk about I swear to you, I vividly recall memories that I'm not able to. It's whoa And it's all slow key putting you in like a regression type state. It's the same concept. I mean, I've
had a hypnotic regression. They just put you into an expanded state of awareness where you're like, you're not really conscious. Wow, but you know, the tapes just to it for you. But anyway, so the detailed surface that really blew my mind was when he went outside with these beings to be led by them, they removed their appearance and they were made of pure light,
right, they like it was almost like a d cloak. Yes, right, Yes, he always said they were cloaked, but I never I mean I wasn't seeing them, so I could only wonder what that meant, you know. And then a few years after that, now that regression was in about twenty fifteen. And keep in mind, it's like it's angels. It's angels as angels we're calling him, and we don't know what to call him. I'd never like to call him aliens because it's just not genuine.
It's not true. They're angels. And you know, we get that regression. We're seeing them as orbs. By by two thousand and fifteen, we're seeing them like like now, we're seeing them like all the time. Yeah, all the time, and twenty nineteen comes around and then he has that profound experience where there's an ORB that flies over the pond. It starts vibrating like on a like on a trajectory of like ten feet up and down. Wait when you said this was twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, Yeah, April
of twenty nineteen. It was the Monday following Easter, so the day after Easter, and he watched this orb for like eighteen minutes, like visibly, like it flew over the pond and he originally appeared as an orb. Yeah, it came from the woods and he was sitting there. He thought he was like a lot of these orbs. You know, it's like when you see him in the sky and you guys have seen him plenty of times, it's like cool. You know, you're you're sort of the sensitized to it.
But then when they come real close, it's not that you're scared, but it's that they literally, and I mean literally, they invoke a physical reaction from the body. I've experienced this many times, like you know, being touched by one and seeing them in the room and very close by and
seeing them in the house. The orbs and sometimes in the times I've never seen one like up close, that would be it's not scary, it's intense, right, I've got I don't want to downplay it, right, But for someone who's never seen it, if you want to get the feeling, it's kind of like like looking at wild animals on TV and looking at wild animals from afar. Think maybe like a bird of prey. Right you see
it in the sky, it's like whoa. But then if you like walk up an eagle, you're like to me, to me, the only the only ordinary experience in my life and experiencing this many times, the orb thing that has ever come close to the physical sensation is like if you're in traffic and you have a very dangerous near miss and you like almost just died. That's what it feels like to see a noble like you know, breath It
takes you. It literally, it yanks your breath away. And like this orb is flying from the woods over the water, and Dad fell to his knees. He's like, you know, like like praying, like like you know, he's fucking beholding this thing. And it gets brighter, and it starts flying over the water and it gets halfway over the water, and he's so like in awe and in shock. He thinks he's recording, but he wasn't. For eighteen minutes, he sat there, or for like nine minutes
or so, he sat there and he watched it. And as it got over the water, and this all happens like that, you know, it went over the water, and then it starts vibrating up and down ten feet, like imagine a ten foot line. This orb's going fast and it's changing colors. It's like orange, red, yellow. It's just like rapidly changing
these colors really fast and blinking. And then it's like you know when you go to like theme parks and Disney World and shit, and you see those little toys that like they're electronic and you push the button and it spends and it's like there's a laser image in it. Yeah, it did that, and like it starts going so fast that it's like solid, and out of that line materialized a beank and like it didn't have a face, it was
made of pure light. It had like you know, it was kind of anthropomorphic like head, arms, legs, and it spoke to him and it said, basically, you know, you've stayed true to your story. You've never faltered. And now we're moving into phase two. There's going to be troubling times ahead. The world is entering the PHASEE what is known as like
the tribulation, and just continue to tell your story. Your family's going to be blessed for what you've done, and we're going to bring you cameras and witnesses and give you undeniable proof to show to the world to kind of like help you so that you don't have to struggle with this anymore. And you
know, all that's kind of been coming true. Yeah, But anyway, so after that experience in twenty nineteen, something clicked in my brain and like you know, in twenty twenty, the three of us started talking about doing this podcast. Yeah, and I had been racking my brain. I mean, I'm telling you, man, like from experience, I know, if you say alien to somebody and they have a certain limiting belief, it turns
them away. If you say angel to somebody, same thing and they have a limiting belief, you know, whether they're non religious or religious or whatever,
it turns them away. And I started thinking about it, like racking my brain, like what is a word or a phrase that I could come up with to describe these beings in a way that captures entirely their essence and what they are, without any sort of religious or you know, any sort of stigma or connotation that just gets the point of cross with with with no strings attached. Light being. Yeah. So I just I don't know. I just I started in about twenty twenty I started, or maybe twenty nineteen.
I just I started calling them light beings and it's duck and you know, time and time again they've shown up as pure lights. And I kind of ran with that. Like Dad never called them light beings, like he would describe them as lights, but he you know, it's it's weird. It's like, what do you call them? I'm at a point now, especially after doing the podcast, like when people say, what's it about? What do you see? What? Like? What you know? What?
How do you how do you describe it as aliens? As angels? I don't. I don't say like we're the alien family. I don't say we're the angel I just say, yeah, we're We're prominent in the paranormal community, right, I remember I said that last night. Yeah. I just I'm trying to just figure out a way to like get it out there without there being any sort of adverse reaction sure from the recipient, And like it's
hard. It's yeah, you gotta like test, you gotta you almost have to like test people and see how they react to different words, test up thousands. Yeah, and I feel like that's got to be a little stressful. It's very stressful. Yeah, it's it can imagine. Yeah, it's like, you know, once the genie's out of the bottle, you can't you can't cram it back in there, dude, and you're almost and you're almost like worrying about how to like sell yourself or like pitch yourself yeah or
whatever that. Yeah, I can imagine that's pretty stressful. So I I and you know, this is just me in my everyday life. And who knows, maybe this was a gift I had for this reason. But I always like and whatever I do, I always go like off the beaten path to phrase things to like get specific reactions out of people. Right. You know, like a lot of times it's used in humor or whatever in sales.
It works wonders, Yeah, and sales it that's what wonder That's what it's all about in sales, is like those key phrases and and and the way that you say things enthusiastically. Yeah yeah, Well, since you guys brought up sales, um, I've been thinking about this for a long time.
But there's a lot of like spirituality and sales, like what we talk about, like the manifestation, the mantra stuff, Like a lot of these um what are they called, like the public speakers, the hype the hype up guys right, like what's his name, Tony, Tony Robbins example, that's all they do. It's like all of these these spiritual practice and and it totally works because I started when I motivational speakers, motivation speakers. Yeah, no, there's a lot going on. It's kind of wild to me.
Man, No, there definitely is. And but there's and in there too, is like a lot of exploitation as well. Unfortunately, this is not a Tony Robins endorsement. For sure, you getting paid, bro, you getting paid by Tony Robinson. Well it's Tony Robbins, but no Robinson's it's Robinson's Gonna Meet the Robinsons. Yes, movie I did that was one of those movies that like for the first ten years of me and Casey dating.
She told me like a million times to watch it and I never did, and then I finally did, and I was like, okay, from here from the year three Jonah's Brothers yea was yeah, it was, that was and it was it was a remake. Bro, I was a couple. I was a little emo, a little child listening to Jonah's brothers. They're good. They were slapping dude, camp rock, Let's go. Yeah, that was my that was my era. We just jumped so hard from I'm bringing you back and bringing you bring me back. I've got a question
for you, gonna get bad baby. Do you think that humans, and what I mean by humans is the consciousness that's trapped in this life vessel right as it sums it up, right, Do you think that it's possible to graduate to become an angel? Absolutely? Yes. So I'm going to talk about that, like different cultural beliefs of like angels, Like from the perspective of Buddhism. I was just about to say, in Buddhism, that's like, that's that's the belief, that's what happens. We're just eliminated souls.
So when you reach enlightenment, and they are called Buddha's like that those they literally describe orbs in the sky, like like lights in the sky, and dude, you can go so deep with that. Like in Tibetan school of Buddhism, which is like more esoteric. You know, they go so far as to say, like all these techniques to cultivate rainbow body or like as Helena Blovotsky or or Rudolf Steiner or all these like Western esoteristists would say the
light body or the astral body, like you're or the Gnostics. You know, it's like it's all about creating the light body so that you truly become eternal in the sense that I mean, you're already eternal, but you you're you're kind of like under the illusion of not being eternal because you're reincarnating here over and over over. You're still trapped in the cycles. You're trapped in
the cycle of reincarnation. But you know, the concept is that like once you developed the light body, you're free from that cycle and you kind of like ascend and if it's your prerogative if you want to come back and help others. But it's like, you know, there's even more evolution in that. But we'll get to that because I did want to talk about cultural beliefs of angels. But I have to I have to change one of the lyrics and one of our songs based on something you just said. So you go
right ahead of which song? Oh? Hell yeah, because you remember I have a thing in there about the infinite cycle. Huh, I'm gonna I'm gonna change one word. Okay, sorry, I had to say that. Um So back to the ophanine thing. I just I just wanted to I wanted to set I was going to ask, is one of those nine Nephelim? No? Oh really, because those aren't angels. Those are according to the belief. Yeah. It's like it's there's so much convoluted shit about Nephialim.
It's like that word is only in the Bible once, and then there are just all these rampant conspiracy theories about it. The idea behind Nephalim is like, Okay, the demons in the Bible came down to Earth and started physically mating with women and they had you know, it's like the Nephelim. Yeah, that's trending right now, at least on my Twitter circle. It's very trending. Yeah, the whole story, the book, it's like the Book of Enoch Enoch. Yeah, it's very try. We had a band.
We had a band called Watching the Watchers, because that's what those were called, the watch Alem. They were called the Watchers, the parents of the Nephelim, the fallen, the fallen. They can't the Nephalim. No, you might be right. I think I think the Nephalim the watch for their children that were the abominations. Either way, it's like it's all speculation, right, yeah, yeah, I have the Order of Angels. Oh I want to hear it. Sure, Seraphim top So we're going top down,
Seraphim. Those are in the throne room of God, cherub, thrones, dominions, virtues, powers, archangels, principalities, angels, dang Archangels are lower than I thought they would be. They're pretty low. You know. It's it's like, I don't, don't. It's not it's not like a it's not like a power scale. It's like a function. It's like a role. Oh dude, I'm anime brain right now. My bad. Yeah, but this is a human made list that Yeah, it's not it's
not like a power scale. Listen. Okay, I watched a lot of fantasy, and I know how to suspend my disbelief, so I immediately believed you. I was like, oh shit, that's crazy. Yeah, Archane
is a weak. Yeah, they're weeks. No, but yeah, and and then like I also wanted to get into I forgot we were even going to go into this about how like the idea of angels in the ancient past was like forces of nature and like these mighty powerful beings, and then by the Renaissance era, all these like you know, all these enlightened painters or painting them as like cutesy little kids with like the cushy butts and wings, and like the male angels are like these, you know, these masculine knights.
Yeah, these masculine knights with like flaming swords and likes and Roman armor. You know that, you know that makes me want to be an angel. I want to say that I think the most accurate depiction of angels ever is Angels in the Outfield. Danny Glover, Well, Christopher Lloyd's the Angel, Danny Glover's the coat. That's right, Yeah, dude, that's a great movie. I love them. You know that's um that's Joseph Gordon Levitt, the kid. WHOA, that's crazy, but I see it now.
We are going to do a baseball episode one day. What we'll see about that. Yeah, we'll see about that. Get fucked. Do you want to tell that story? Yes? Please? That was hilarious. Oh my god, bro, this was hilarious. We're just like driving down the road. Me and Alex are sitting in the backseat. Ryan's driving, and I think we were going out to eat or something. That's right, that's right.
We were going to escape room and we were talking about video games, and Alex is like, yeah, man, I just like sports games, Like that's just my thing. I just I just really like sports games. Like maybe a second or two of like silence, and then Ryan just goes get fucked. We just ragged on him because it's like, that's not real games, bro, you're lame. Alex is like a jock, so we have to flip the script on him and like make fun of him for being
a jock. Sometimes it really is we're just trying desperately to claw at any status we can we can put over him. Yeah, So y'all are like, y'all are full tilt into the Harry Potter. Yes, Nick, what am I into? Hard? Right now? What? Oh? What are you talking about? The video Nintendo Switch Golf? Oh? Bro? Hold up? Hold up? Okay, another little tangent real quick. Alex stayed at me and Casey's placed what two weeks ago, three weeks ago something like
that. Yeah. We woke up the next morning and for like five hours straight, Alex was like, Yo, y'all want to play Switch Sports golf? And I hadn't. I had never played it. Bro, this man is a prodigy. He's gonna start a Twitch channel where he just dresses in full golfer gear and drinks beer and yells while he plays Switch Sports golf, Isn't that right? Alex? Yeah, I'm conceptualizing that right now. Yeah, let's go. I mean, I hate to shoot my own horn,
but I'm cracked at Oh he's the same dude. I thought I was good because I get like maybe one over par at the end of the course or whatever. Alex is like eight under, ten under, sixteen under. What's what's the best you've done? Pr right now? Is eighteen under on eighteen? What you gotta gotta you got albatross yesterday, didn't you? I got two albatrosses. Hold up, what's an albatross? Holl you know what a birdie is. It's two roses, even better two? That was eagle?
No, yeah, eagles better than birdie. Eagle is um is two shots on a par four, right, albatross is two shots on a part five. Oh my god, bro, that's insane. Okay, So everybody out there look out for that, and also encourage Alex to do it because I want to see it really bad. I want to see you do that on Twitter. I need a little push so you want to see uh yes, Nintendo switch golf, come on now, just give me a push that. Thank you. That's like Alex, Alex closure ears. Don't listen to this.
Don't don't listen to this. Everybody you know you have to do this because it would be hilarious and the meme potential. Come on, tell him to do it. Okay, you can do it now. Good. That would be like as mr I was struggling to say that. Yeah, it's just like relaxing, just like watching like you know, like when you turn on like the Fireplace videos on YouTube. It's like that it's like just Ambiance, except he's drunk and screaming while he's playing goal. Alex sports Mad,
Alex sports Mad. Let's do it. Yeah, Like that's totally you know, there's first of all, it's it's it's ridiculous to like gate keep games, and it's like there's like a meme in the video game community like, bro, you're not a real game or you only play FIFA Madden. Yeah that's what I was rolling with. Oh you like FIFA, get fucked, You're not a real gamer. Bro. So now that's like Alex's favorite thing. Every single time I've seen Alex since that happened, he'll just randomly at
some boy and just go get fucked. It's this new catchphrase that might be the first time I've actually hard derailed this show. Yeah for everything, y'all. Sorry guys. Back to Angels. I have no idea how we got there, but that was great. Yeah, that was a nice little vacation. Wherever I go, there I am there are no rules. Um oh. The Ophanem alternatively spelled Ophanem or also called Galgalim, referred to the wheels seen in Ezekiel's vision and the chariot in Ezekiel one fifty one. I wanted
to go over that gal galim are the same. The alternative name for angels is galgalim. And like in in Aramaic or in Hebrew, anytime they have a description of some sort of being, Like you notice, how okay, so like a singular entity would be like malak a messenger, and then when you're talking about them in plural, it's malachim. Okay, I got you. So then it's just a stupid little nerdy language thing um. In Judaism, angels are referred to as malachim, which means the messenger. So like
the literal translation of the word angel is just messengers. They're like messengers that come from another reality and have some divine interpretation to give to people. Yeah, and like that's that's the thing is Like throughout the Renaissance era, these artists started painting angels as these big, buff people or like these cutesy little kids, and like, I feel like there's been such a negative spin on this word or this concept for so many years, but like I think it's
cool. I know, I think I think angels are cool. I agree, like even in everything I've ever you know, every popular media thing I've seen, angels are always depicted pretty dupe dude, Like, yeah, I think I think they're awesome, but it's like, come on, if you if you actually think it's like a buff dude with like a great sword. Probably not. It's okay, Alex, it's all right, You'll get over
it. It's it's just like that's again, just like I was saying about your your dad earlier in the in the ship, It's like, that's what we can understand with our brains. That's how we understand power. When a human thinks of a powerful being, they think big muscles equal power. Okay, how what time are we at, Alex? Uh? We got about ten fifteen more minutes? Okay, So I have a lot more to like
different cultural interpretation. So I'm just going to blow through some of these kind of like a lightning round, just just talk about how different cultures like speed dating but angels. Yeah, speed rating, now that didn't work all right, Um, And it was Christianity that developed angels into more fixed figures with human like personas and unique personalities. I already went into this, but like how the Vatican and the Renaissance artists like basically whether it's intentional or not.
They totally destroyed our concept of like divine beings and like almost made it like, you know, to the modern mind, it's like that's not believable, you know. They they they've essentially like waved a wand and just ruined our understanding of divine messengers. But in other cultures they have pretty cool interpretations.
So angels also appear in Eastern religions such as Hinduism, but the only similarity they bear to their Western counterparts is their identity as spiritual facilitators and how they interact with people. It's obvious that in Eastern cultures they don't have the word angel. That's like a Hebrew Aramaic words, you know, the original word malak, malakim, whatever. So they have their own words for them, like Davia's Davas are spiritual guardians who watch over people and facilitate their process of
becoming one with the universe. So same thing, the same thing. They are believed to inhabit the higher astral plane, and they are sometimes worshiped in Hinduism as like minor deities. Wow Buddhism. This is my favorite interpretation, and I think it's pretty much very close to the truth of what's going on here and Buddhism, angelic beings are referred to as Davis. This is where I disagree. They say they are not immortal, but rather they are souls
who have reincarnated into a higher spiritual plane. I believe half of that is true, and then half of it needs a little editing. Sure, every soul is immortal, right technically in the cosmic scheme of things, you know, but you can't. You can't just kill an angel. You know that you can't kill It's it's not like spiritual beings or like going to battle like
that. You know, it's it's it's it's it's it's awareness. It's like it's it's complicated, but it is very I agree with this statement that as we live through lives seeking illumination, essentially we reach that point to where we become these beings. And this is why I believe that because the being told Dad. The lady told Dad. She said that when you die, you become as we are. Your soul goes on the journey, it could go wherever it wants to go. You go into these orbs and become as we
are. Wow, we're like when you think about it out of the box. It's almost like those beings or us in the future. Yeah, totally, that's that's exactly. But the future is like nonlinear cosmic timing, right because time is completely made up. Yes, but it's like it's it's kind of like us. Yeah, totally, like the two thousand things, like you know, but you know, the psyop the conspiracy is like grays or us from the future. Yeah, but like we were destroyed through like evolution
and global warming and whatever. Crops can't sustain life on here anymore, and we mutated and created these android forms. I think they're just trying to muddy the truth. Yeah, yeah, I don't get that. Man. These days, every time I see something with like grays or like the you know, people will share these pictures that are like of like alien bodies and it's like, dude, that is that is clay. Like you can literally you can literally see lower rangers putty. Yeah exactly, Bro, that is that
was made in some prop room. Like it's it's so insanely obvious. But like I'm seeing lights do things in the sky that I can't even fathom how it's possible. I can look at a picture of a supposed alien body and think of a million ways that that picture became possible. You know what I'm saying. It's yeah, not even not even a question to me. And so I think I think some people out there are intentionally using it to muddy the waters. But Nick, they just shot something down over Lasker, Lasker.
By the time this episode airs, the disclosure the disclosure, no, it was something different, like different from the Chinese bloom. There's already more stuff. They did a Pentagon press briefing yesterday from today's recording date, not from air date, and um, they literally went on TV and talking about how they shot down some object over Alaska. But it's beginning exactly what we talked about in the disclosure episode. Yeah, by the time this episode airs,
that episode will be out. But we recorded the Disclosure episode and then we pushed it a month. Yeah, you know, but if you think all the way back, what did we say, They're going to be creating fake celestial events. It's beginning controlled disclosure. Yep, it's it's it's like everybody said it would take the form of Yeah, definitely, everybody said it would take the form of like Project Blue Beam. They're gonna put a holograms in the sky of UFOs. But I think it's more like what we're seeing.
It's like, oh, weather balloons they shoot that down. Is it a spy balloon? Is it a weather balloon? Oh, object over Alaska, object in Russia. They're they're they're what they're doing is I think they're trying to stain it into the psyche of humans that when we look up and we see this, so to speak, the secret war going on in the sky, they want to trick us into believing like when we look up, it's what they're telling us we're seeing because they know, especially with Dad's book
coming out. Yeah, by the time this episode are is, the book is probably out. But um in the end of Dad's book it literally says, because by now this will be out, so I can say it literally the last word of the book says, go outside, look up into the night sky, humble yourself before the heavens, and say I am here,
and you just might see something. Damn. They know that. Oh yeah, oh yeah, And if they they can, if they can, like you know, nudge us in a direction of believing that that is something spy balloons or whatever, right, they want us to think that we are a spec on a spec on a spec, that we're nothing. Yeah, when the reality is that what the life force inside of you is immortal. We are everything, and you have the ability essentially to become one of those angelic
beings in the sky. Yeah, you are not a speck on a spec on a spec, you are an immortal lightning. Yeah, that's an hour. And if they can, if they can prevent us from knowing that they want to, and man, look, I usually I usually don't like to have my my tinfoil hat on two tight, but I will say, you know, the more this becomes a part of conversation, the scarier it is. Like the whole idea of putting your consciousness into a machine. Oh yeah,
that's it's like a spiritual trap. Yeah, like there, you know, there's all these parables throughout different mythologies about creatures that devour souls. That sounds like definitely I think signing onto a record labels selling out shout out leo. Yeah yeah, hopefully that gets there. But yeah, so let's let's blow through these and then we'll wrap up so um, they can only be seen. Oh, the devils are invisible to the spiritual human eye. I
mean, excuse me, the human eye. They exist on the higher astral realm. They can only be seen by the spiritually awakened. What does it sound like? The orbs Absolutely like they only appear to people at the right time, when they're going through some sort of trauma or some sort of significant circumstance. Not everybody can just walk out and see them. You have to be ready. You have to be I guess you know. According to Buddhism,
you have to be awakened. Yeah, Like like Amy was describing, it's like you have to be vibrating at a certain frequency to be able to see that. And it's the frequency of openness, willingness, that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's like this, all this ancient spiritual stuff is literally right in line with what the entities told dead. You have to be spiritually awakened the ones who might benefit from their communion. Oh, let me reread
that. They can only be seen by the spiritually awakened who might benefit from their communion with the Deva. By achieving spiritual enlightenment, they can appear in physical form. They can shine with their own illumination, move great distances, perhaps either by flying or writing a chariot. You know. Now, in Japan and China, there were supernatural beings called Tinin who have been compared to angels, nymphs, and fairy folks of the Western world. They're colorful,
feathered kimonos facilitate their flying powers, or they may have flying wings. They appear frequently in tails, or they come to Earth, marry immortal and perhaps return to their own reality once they are discovered. There are also spirit like beings in Shintoism. Had to conclude this bra There were beings in Shintoism referred to as kami, spirits embodied in the landscapes such as a river or mountain. You know, Kami means god in Japan. Yeah, right right right,
like the the Kami house. Yeah, yeah, God, he think about it. Commi's like the god of the earth. No, that's kam a house. Right, But remember kameny like Piccolo's other half. He's he's like the god of earth. Yeah, and like Kami is also like a title, yeah, like God exactly. It's like if if one of them goes away, there has to be another one. Yeah, it's like the supreme angelic being. I included that one for fun. The Japanese and Chinese one. I think we have only a couple more and then we'll wrap up
a fairy. This is popular in Ufo folklore because I think maybe Jack Filet is the one who like kind of imprinted this in the consciousness of the conversation. But I think it's brilliant. Um fairy also known as faith. There's so many different spellings of this, like fa Y by the way, bro, both of my grandmother's names are Fay his Wild. I didn't realize until recently, Like, oh my god, both both of their middle names are Fay by the way. It's not even their first name's very very synchronously Fay
and Kerry Faye Wild. And you want to know another crazy thing that I just realized like the other day now, as of you know, moving forward, both of my names are authors. What do you mean, Dickens and bledsoe, oh nice, My middle name is Dickens and that's my mother's middle
name. Yeah, it's just weird little synchronicity there. The phase a type of mythical being typically from like Irish folklore, A legendary creature found in the folklore of multiple European cultures, including Celtic that's like kind of Irish, like a Slavic, Germanic, English, and French. A form of spirit often
described as a metaphysical, supernatural or preternatural being. Gin Arabic also romanized as Gin with a D in front of it, Anglicized as genies and visible creatures, and early pre Islamic Arabian religious systems, and later in Islamic mythology. In theology, like humans, they are accountable for their deeds. Can be either believers or unbelievers, depending on whether they accept God's guidance. One thing I really like is I think it's Irish folklore. I didn't like write this
down. I could be totally wrong here. Maybe it's Norse. But there was also an ancient culture who believed there were these supernatural beings that like you know, did all but these beings are described as but they were like where elves come from, like the terminology elves. It could be Irish, it
could be Norse. I'm really blanking on that. But um bro, you know what Tim Taylor told us. What he told us that every single super genius currently and like throughout history who had some sort of profound like Eureka breakthrough. It was provided to them through some sort of entity communication. And he said, think about the word genius, and it's like it's like a genie on your shoulder. It's speaking to you, it's giving you, you know,
wow revelations. Like they know like in the Pentagon, they know that super genius type people are highly psychic and many times, like my dad and like others, we know, entities will show up at Like like Tim for example, he had like a billion dollar patent. I don't think this is an American cosmic Maybe I don't know. I haven't read it, probably never will. But he said that literally an entity appeared in the room, flashed in image in his mind of a patent he would and developed it. It
was a billion dollar, successful, cutting edge patent. And he got questioned by the pinning On. They're like, how did you come up with this? How can you explain this? This is advanced beyond our understanding. And he had to tell the pinning On a hooded entity appeared in my room and flashed it in my mind. And he told us like, that's not uncommon amongst the super genius. I totally believe it. It's like it's like one
step above like a psychic download. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, it's like it's coming from the source, but it's coming to you from an entity. It was communicated to us by some of our mutual government friends. I've personally never met Jock fil A, but you know he's responsible. Like in the nineteen eighties he created the Arpanet. For those who don't know, that's a precursor to the end of the Internet. Yeah, it was told to us that that was given to him as a gift by some sort
of communication. And we think about it. It's like basically injecting in an advanced form of consciousness, like it's a living mind. And it's also something that would absolutely influence human consciousness to accelerate. Because yeah, now think about like the Internet is integral into the human consciousness at this point, like it is everywhere. I think it's responsible for the awakening, right, Yeah,
I mean it. Well, it's like a it's like an ethereal super highway of knowledge and information at light speed that we can communicate freely and openly around the world instantaneously, and like the information can hardly be suppressed anymore. Last thing I'm gonna say, and then we really need to get going. Mrkaba
mysticism. This is super cool. So in Old Testament times there was a group of secretive Jewish mystics who had esoteric beliefs about the murkaba, which Mirkaba in itself is an esoteric word because it comes from three words um mur. I can't remember the languages. We've already talked about this in a previous episode, but it's like cause the Egyptian word for spirit bah, I don't remember exactly what Egyptian word that is, and then murr. But it's like light
spirit body, essentially like mrcaba. It's the it's the merging of these three root words to talk about the concept of like the light spirit body, and these people according to this Umurkaba is also in Hebrew means chariot. Murcaba mysticism is a school of early Jewish mysicism one hundred BC to one thousand CE.
So this is like Jesus times, you know, you know, one hundred BC up to a thousand centered on visions such as those found in the Book of Ezekiel or in the Heclod literature, whatever that is concerning story of a sense to the heavenly palaces and the Throne of God. The main corpus of the mercop literature was composed in the period of two hundred to seven hundred CE, although later references to the chariot tradition can also be found in the literature
of the Chess citya Ashkenaz in the Middle Ages. The whole point I bring that up is to say, like, in ancient times there were esoteric groups of mystics worshiping angels as beings that bring illumination and knowledge and travel around on like these mystical chariots. They're angels, bro, They're They're not aliens,
they are angels. Yeah, And it's just it's just particularly wild that every culture in the world describes them almost identically, Like, yeah, there are very few things, even in mysticism, that line up so perfectly, almost like pretty much every culture that we went over describe the same thing, same exact way. Some of them might make them pretty like in Japan they have beautiful kimonos. It's metaphor, yeah, it's it's it's it's imagination. They're
described does the same. It's a spirit messenger that's here to guide human consciousness towards evolution to close it out. It's like what I'm realizing with this subject and really just racking my brain thinking out of the box. It's a language problem. It's a war of language, and the powers that be are using this language to convince you that it is some sort of unidentified threat that we
need to fear and be afraid of. But like the truth is, if you understand how the ancients were describing this with their language, they are beings who come from higher realms to bring us illumination and show us the way. And that's exactly what they told my dad. So it's like it's a language war. Yeah, that's really what it is. It blows down to language. So that's why I like the name light being. I think it's a
very all encompassing it's all encompassing. It's linguistically pleasing, and that's all I got. Hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah, ready, yeah, cool, all right, let's do it on two three by guys, weird things happened in the backyard what so House said over us, descending, I got so weird coming closer to us. My hair stand destroyed up like smiraling on the inside of it. No one knows. Wow, it's come right over. Shar ain't m