Weird things happened in the weird weird Wow. All right, welcome back. We have a we have a special guest with us tonight, UM very one of the highest requested guests on Bloods have said. So we have Amy Westmoreland from Illuminating Joy for those who high for those who have heard UM the most recent episode with my sister Emily Bloods of Holloway, and we went into this long story about her UM experience at the Monroe Institute. This is the famed
Amy who was my sister's roommate. And you know, next thing you know, Emily's introducing me to Amy because I was like, I got a meet, I got a meeter. Start watching our YouTube videos. They are just so incredibly in depth about manifestation, which I'm very excited to get into today. And we got a dialogue going, and next thing you know, here we are, so Amy, is there anything before we get into just general conversation? Is there anything that you would like to go ahead and plug for
people to find you after the fact. Yeah. If you want to know all things about manifesting, you can find me on Instagram, where I post some manifesting stuff, but it's mostly to showcase how I live my life kind of like a manifesting lifestyle, and that's illuminating joy same name on YouTube, which is where my videos are, and there's often step by step instructions, and then if you sign up for my email list, which you can find
through my Instagram profile, you'll actually get a free copy of my how to Manifest Money pdf, where is a technique that anyone can use right now and you can get a result usually in about a week. Let's go. Yeah, honestly that that that's really cool. So I have actually been rousing through your Instagram occasionally because, like I said, you know, after Emmy went
to the Monroe Institute, she had shown me your content. Your instagram is, aside from all the wonderful manifestation content, your instagram is so esthetically pleasing. Oh yeah, it is very well manicured. I really enjoy looking at it. And I'm scrolling down your page and next thing I know, You're you're just like photo after photo after photo hanging out with all of these A list celebrities, and I'm like, Emily, You've got to introduce me to
her. You've got to introduce me to her. So what I've been wanting to ask is like, at what point in your life or or you could say when or how how how did you get into menifestation officially? So I was very lucky my parents sort of knew about it when I was growing up, so it was they didn't call it manifesting. They were like, you, if you put your mind to it, you can you know, achieve anything you want to achieve. But the fundamentals of what they told me were
basically the manifesting fundamentals. And they only used it for like money, They didn't use it for anything else. And so they had all these books around, like they had some Tony Robbin's books which he's sort of like into manifesting a little bit, and some other things like that, and yeah, and I just started picking them up as a teenager and I was reading them and I'm like, why don't we apply this to other stuff? So you know,
doing it that way. But then, you know, as a teenager, I kind of got away from it for a while, got back into it in college. I tracked it in some journals and I was like, this is really this real stuff really works. And then I just kind of like have been all in ever since. So around the time you were in college, you had been experimenting with manifestation and getting results, and that's when
kind of like the momentum started. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was it was so weird, like I couldn't talk to anybody about it. Like now manifesting is a very popular, it's like more and more people are finding but back then, I was like, I can't tell anybody what I'm
doing. I think about the journal after journal I still have them of like I would write something that I wanted, it would happen like three or four days later, or two or three weeks later, sometimes a month later, and I would go back with my highlighter and I'm like, oh my gosh, like what is happening here? So is that the couple of videos that I watched, I say a couple, It was probably like five today. There were these really cool like drawing exercises that you were doing. It was
also a lot of writing manifestations. Is that is that the means of manifestation that you find to be like the most potent or is it just the one that connect with you the most. There's a great question. So the name of the game and manifesting is being able to focus on having what you want,
not wanting what you want, but having it. That sounds really really simple, but it's actually trickier in some cases for some people because they've never thought of it that way before, so they immediately default to I want it, I don't have it. Sure, a lot of my writing techniques are actually to help people get clear before they do focusing, so you can you can do focusing as scripting, which is where you write it out as though
you have it. That's one way. I'm a visualizer, so I will write my stuff out and then close my eyes and visualize what I've just written. Oh wow, okay, I haven't heard of that, so it's really cool. Is like the mechanism behind at least in my understanding. I could be totally wrong here, but the mechanism behind manifestation? Would you say it's like belief? Basically? Is it belief? Yes? And no? This is where manifesting is its own um like black hole of information like you just
got into it and so yes. So the way, I was just telling a client about this the other day, actually, she was like, is it belief or is it focused? And I'm like, your belief is the limitation of what you can focus on. We have a difficult time focusing beyond our beliefs. Yeah, that's profound, and so your beliefs are like the container. But there's a loophole which I teach, which is how to focus outside of your belief which is very simple. Are you guys ready for this?
Oh? Yeah, let's go. You don't have to believe it, that's it. Like, yeah, okay, I saw that in your video. It was like one of your main yes videos on your channel about manifesting. It was like how to one oh one or something like that. And I heard you say that, and I was like, you know, that's really encouraging because I'm sitting here daily like doing the affirmations and doing everything I
can to like force myself to believe and being positive. But if you're saying you don't even have to believe it, you know, I that's really encouraging.
Yeah, I think yet, because it like it relieves a lot of the pressure, right because I feel, at least speaking for myself, Like when I first started trying to like, you know, manifest things and do affirmations and stuff like that, I almost there was like a little piece in the back of my mind that was like I'm trying to convince myself of something, you know what I'm saying, and so knowing like, well, you don't have to believe it, that kind of makes all of that pressure go
away because I kind of would get hyper focused on that pressure at my brain would keep going back to that, like I'm trying to convince myself of something. But that's super profound because it you know, it's like you're putting the work in either way, you don't have to believe. That's that's cool. So can I walk you guys through something I do for most of my clients, Yeah, please do that. First of all, comparison is super helpful
when you're manifesting. It's helpful if your mind has two ideas because then it can choose the better ideas. So sometimes people they go at it as like I'm trying to turn this into that, and it's like, no, to see it as two different things, this and that, and then you can
just pick the one you want. That's a whole different thing, though, So I'm going to walk you through a comparison and so both of you just close your eyes for a second, okay, and I want you to imagine you're flying like Superman, you know, with the arms out over the ocean, right, Yeah, and you're a few feet over the ocean, so you can smell the salt water, you can sort of feel the spray coming up a little bit. Just tell me how that feels, both of you.
It feels good. Yeah, Yeah, it's very it's very refreshing and like I can almost feel like a little tingle of salt in my nose. Yeah. Great, that is an ideal way to visualize, to manifest. Now I want you to keep that that flight going, right, but now I want you to believe that you can actually fly like Superman and tell me what happens. I just stopped visualizing. Yeah yeah, I kind of did too, Honestly. I was like, ah, but I can't right.
Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's the loophole. WHOA. So you're saying, if if I'm understanding, if I'm really following here, it's it's about It's not about the belief. It's about the focus on the visualization. Yeah. So, so when you want something to be consistent and stable in your life, you're going to want to have a subconscious belief for it. However, there's lots of ways to get subconscious beliefs. One is repetition,
one is through an emotional imprint. The other way is through experiencing it. So what there's all these different ways to approach manifesting. Do you want something that when you imagine it it's hard to believe? Drop the belief, just imagine it for the joy of imagining it. It will then manifest. Then you will believe it. That's another way to get into it, and then
it will could become consistent in your life. That's one one way. There's lots of ways to Okay, so question because I'm really this is so interesting. Yeah, you've got me here. But for a skeptic listening, they're going to say, you know, you can't fly like Superman. How could you take this and apply it to something that you absolutely can? I just want I flight tickets to go indoor skydiving? There you go, Okay,
good point. But but you know, like for for anyone out there listening, like who's who's just you know, down and out and they and they really could benefit from using this, How could how could they take this and apply it towards something in their life that they could actually you see what I'm saying, yeah, great, great practical application. So if someone is down and out, what I recommend is that they fully allow themselves to be where
they are. They don't need to be different. And that's the first sort of paradox. We're told like, we have to be different to get what we want, and that's actually not really true. But you do want a different perspective, and so the different perspective. Please stop me if I'm getting way too nerdy about this, because not possible, not on this show. Not possible. Yeah. So it's not like you don't change you, you change your perspective. So the first perspective is I have to be different.
I can't be down. I have to be positive, right, And the second perspective is I don't have to be different. I can still get what I want. So it's the perspective, not you. So then you choose that perspective of I don't have to be different. Now what do I want? I don't have to believe it? Now what do I want? This is the perfect time when someone's down and out to imagine your life the way that you want it. And no, it's not all going to manifest this
week, It isn't right. But something will start to happen that will give you that idea like I should keep going with this because you'll start to see something manifest even if it's a little bit of something. Right. Yeah, I have I have an interesting thought towards that experiment that you just had us do, which I'm gonna tell everyone to do because it genuinely blew my mind.
Uh here, here's what I think. I'm thinking that the reason that the disconnect happens when you have that thing where it's like, imagine you can actually fly, or imagine you can actually have a million dollars or whatever it may be. You're engaging your conscious mind and it's trying to make sense of things it doesn't understand. It's like, this is mystical, this is this.
This deals with the soul. This deals with your your energy, your your brain, your your human brain, with the all the experience of the parameters of you know, physics or whatever, the laws of physics, whatever. Just in the case of the flying thing, as soon as you say, well, try to actually believe that you can fly, that part kicks in and it cuts off the subconscious. Maybe I'm literally just blabbing out of my mouth right now. But and and the subconscious is where like the magic
happens, right am I am? I right with that? Yeah? And the subconscious is it takes your information that you give it as like your god, you know what I mean to you. It's true. Everything you tell it is true. It's just an absorber and just from a psychology perspective, I you know, that's my degree of psychology. And I got really into studying the mind, and like, you know, to be honest, when I was fourteen years old, my dad got hypnotized to go on the Discovery
Channel and it blew my mind. And as a young child, I'm like, how this is possible? How is this possible? You know, I didn't even believe it was possible into witnessing it and then spending all these years trying to figure it out, and after reading books on hypnosis and visualization, Like there's real scientific merit to the power of um using exactly what Amy just
walked us through, like using visualization while stimulating the five senses. Like there are real trials where people were sat in a chair for six weeks, like not six weeks straight, but like daily they would be tested sit in a chair, visualize in your mind that you're doing x amount of repetitions with x weight in your gaining muscle, and they found significant, statistically significant increases of muscle and strength compared to people who actually did exercises, people who were like
a placebo control group. And then the visualization group, like they actually their body physically changed from visualization alone over a period of time. So like there's something to this, there's something powerful to visualization. And what Amy said in my experience, in my understanding, is absolutely true. Or maybe it was you who said that initially, Nick, But like visualization from the psychology perspective
is shown to actually stimulate the subconscious mind. It can't distinguish if it's real or not. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Yeah, whatever do you imagine vividly, especially if you engage those senses, um, the subconscious mind can't distinguish if it's actually real in this external world or not. All it is happening, which is why when the conscious mind turns off, it
breaks the it breaks like the link. That's so crazy. Yeah, And and I want to say that athletes were using this for years before it became like mainstream. They they like Olympic athletes and Um, you know, top athlete, they've been using it forever to they go out and they practice their sport, but then they also visualize doing their routines and doing playing the game the way that they play like. It's it's well known. Um, And I do want to say just really quick back to the belief things, so
doesn't confuse people. Um, your beliefs are very important, but they it's like your beliefs and your focus are kind of like write their hands in hands. Either one of them can can kind of like take over, but your focus can can trump a belief if needed. Okay, I see what you're saying. It's it's almost like strength and endurance, you know, like on a on a muscle continuum, Like you know, having a certain level of
strength trump's a certain level of endurance or vice versa. It's like they're they're a similar thing, but they go hand in hand. But the more you increase one, it increases the other kind of if that makes sense at all. I'm just trying to understand it. But yeah, and your focus, the more you focus on something, the more you'll believe it. And and if you have a strong belief, like these are the ones we have from
like childhood. Those are hard harder to break out of because we have so much evidence of them, even though technically they're not any more difficult than any other belief, but because we've experienced it so much, so therefore the belief kind of seems like it has more power over focus because it keeps pulling you out of it. Those are a little does take a little bit more time typically for the average person, but again, focus can can trump beliefs.
So this is honestly mind blowing amy because I I feel like I've been spinning my wheels in the mud just trying to focus on changing my beliefs, when the whole time I've been using my focus to focus on step one. When if I'd just been, you know, enhancing my focus, I could have been going to step two, three, four, and five. By now, like I feel like i've been I was literally going to say the same thing. It's like, I feel like this conversation of belief keeps coming up
lately and my whole life. I thought I had a good idea of what like belief was, but I think what you're shining light on is that like focus is the important thing because beliefs it's like, you know, there's there's that classic debate of like what's the difference between believing something and knowing something or whatever, which always annoyed me because I was just like, the belief is good, right, you know, you know, But now I think I'm
dismantling my belief of belief and it's actually really reassuring and like I almost feel like my intuition knows that this is correct. Yeah. My focus is the path and it's you know, I did not come up with this. It's been known for many years by many people. I think Joseph Murphy. He wrote Power of the Subconscious Mind. I don't know, like the thirties or forties or something, fifties, I don't know. He made a point. I believe it was him that said, you know, your thoughts can impact
your feelings. Your feelings can you know, impact your thoughts. Your beliefs can impact your thoughts. Your thoughts gonna impact your beliefs. It's like everything. You can come at everything from both sides. It's like a web. It's it's like it's like a tangled web and you pull one thread and it's gonna wiggle the other one. Yeah, So a lot of people are like, go at it through belief, Well you can go at it through focus, Like you know, it's it's a tunnel. You can go through either
side of it. I find the average person does better when they don't try to believe it because they typically this is so funny. I've had like four or five different people recently be like, Amy, what I want? It doesn't seem very likely, And I'm like, that's why we're manifesting it, focusing tonest something that was likely, yeah, happened. That's a great point investing for the unlikely stuff, right, Okay, So let me ask you
this. So you know, there's a lot of people out there, and I know this because, believe it or not, I'm one of them. Despite the fact that you know, I see all these crazy things. I have a brain that works a certain way, and that way is how is this possible? How can I understand this and wrap my head around this? So and you're understanding, why is it possible that human beings can do this and can focus on something and it's you know, for lack of better words,
just magically appear in their lives over time? Like does that make sense? Like? How why can we do this because we're a pure consciousness. Okay, yeah, so I operate from the everything is consciousness and energy, if you will, same one energy type of thing, but conscious energy and so therefore so like Monroe is a great example the Monroe's too. I've been to a bunch of different programs there. Each program they focus on activating a
different frequency for your consciousness to access different things. So in some frequencies, like brainwave frequencies you can access like mediumship right to like being able to talk to those of crossover. Other ones you can get your your physical energy up and you can become like able to do I think they're call it like psychokinesis telechnesis type of stuff, right, And another one you can do is manifesting, and another It's like there's all these different things your consciousness can do.
One different frequencies, you just like tap into them, and so we when you can use your focus to get into any one of those things, like you can become really psychic. You can become any of those things because we all have access to it. You're just like by focusing you go to that level actually called them focus levels, right, Yeah. The ben Roe Institute
has these tapes that they're actually called like Focus one, Focus two. Remember the story I always tell about how my wife Jenny, I'm saying my wife Jenny because you haven't met her, Amy nick Is that sounds weird out of context. But my wife, my wife Jenny, the first time she ever started seeing lights with us was actually after we were initially sent the Monroe focused takes back in twenty fifteen, sixteen. She'd been listening to him and then
boom, she starts having sightings. Yeah, so so her consciousness may have like expanded enough to be able to have that experience. So the reason that you can do this is because everything is the same one consciousness energy, even though it's hard for us to get that, and everything's connected. So as soon as you connect to it, like it's like a super conscious if you will, can start to bring it to you through your experiences. And look,
I have. I started manifesting in nineteen ninety three. Deliver really so I have third year I was born. I was born. That's a great year. Yeah, um, this year I got my driver's license. Let's go. Hey, for what it's worth, you're doing wonderful, wonderful, And I can tell you that the first ten years I manifested all of the stuff that I'm talking about. Now, I was like, what, like
out there, yeah, it feels that way. So that made me think of something, uh, because I I, for the majority of my life have thought the same way that you're talking about, Ryan, where you're like, I want to know how it works though, which is which is funny because when you get into this realm of spirituality, spirituality the metaphysical, it's like a year not gonna get answers yea, yeah, yeah, you ain't
gonna get no humble exactly. And so but you know, through doing this show, it's like you asked that question, but you knew what her answer was going to be, because yeah, we we talk about this on the show all the time, this this kind of stuff. So it's for the listeners, oh yeah yeah. But the interesting thing, the super interesting thing is that my brain does that sometimes too, where it's like how but how does it work? And what you are saying, Amy is doesn't matter how
it works. You don't even have to believe it. Focus on it first. The belief will come later. So that's that's really that's like the silver lining of not believing or not knowing things, you know what I mean, that's really powerful. It keeps coming to me this way. It's just the only way that I'm like able to understand it in a similar terminology. But it's like the strength endurance continuum, Like there's studies on this scientifically about human
anatomy. Like like, okay, let's say you have a very high level of endurance. Like let's say you can bang out like five hundred push ups, but you don't bench press weights or anything that is going to overtime translate to uh levels of strength because they're on a continuum where they're connected to each other or vice versa. Let's say you have a very high level of strength,
there's gonna be some sort of carry over and endurance. Like it's like what you're describing with the focus and belief, they're like they're like entangled and it's like you work on one and it enhances the other. But to me, it feels like and this scenario, focus is the strength and belief is the endurance. It's like we should be focusing on the focus. And I had I had another Sorry this is unrelated, but I mean it's it's sort
of related. I had another crazy thought when you were talking about the one consciousness like us all being of the same consciousness. It's like my celium. Are are you familiar with like my celium, and how it's like this fungus that's in like most you know, in a lot of forage. Yeah,
yeah, there is, there is, there is, yeah. And so like the trees, if there's like a malnourished tree, it can like manifest nutrients from another node on this web and and and it'll it'll redistribute nutrients throughout this one consciousness of trees, and and it'll essentially manifest the things that that thing needs. So the way that translates over into like us is if we are all consciousness, you know, different little pieces, little nodes of consciousness,
and everything in this realm is by manifesting. We're kind of just pulling energy from different places to make that thing appear. I don't know why that's the parallel that popped into my head, but I was like, that makes a lot of sense. I see it very clearly like that now yeah, yeah above so below yeah, yeah, am, But it sounds a lot
like as above. So hell like that, you know, the psyche, the consciousness of the plant world, the consciousness of the molecule world, the consciousness of the celestial But all of these different realms of consciousness are just like reflections of each other, and we're no different. You know. It's like
not not that crazy to believe that we operate similarly to mushroom consciousness. Yeah, so I would like to give your audience a way to understand it without understanding it, so I can teach really advanced manifest saying, but I also do a lot of beginner stuff because I know the best teacher is your own
personal experience. You will actually understand it through experience. After multiple experiences, like, it'll become more and more clear to you as you can like sort of unpack it, right, And my favorite thing to teach people is how to manifest a rainbow in this guy. You might have seen this on my Instagram. Oh yeah, yeah I did. Yeah, I saw that. I missed that one, all right. So the reason everyone's like amy, why rainbows? Number one? Everyone likes rainbows. Number two? Yes,
no one's afraid of rainbows. So you don't have like a subconscious fear of a rainbows showing up. Somebody does. Somebody is afraid of rainbows. Don't follow this advice. If you're afraid of rainbows, right, kick something else,
do a couple. But the other thing is, and I love rainbows because when you see one in the sky and you're manifesting one in the sky, not one you see as a sticker, not when you see as a photo, one in the actual sky that you see, because when you see it shortly after you have visualized it, you will know there's no way me, by my little loansome self, could have made that, Like I didn't make that with my hands. So garden homes ones don't count for this for
this either. I mean they're they're really pretty and I love them, but it's like it's in they're so magnificent. So anyway, here it is. It's very simple. You close your eyes I'm doing okay, okay, okay. Imagine that you're looking at a rainbow in the sky, and then put
a real smile on your face, like a real one. Like do it, yep, your eyes closed, you like cheese, even doing clothes ryan they are And if you want to take a little bit further while you're visualizing it, you can imagine taking a photo of it with your cell phone. M safely. I got like a flash camera, the little disposable ones. Now open your eyes. Now, that's it. That's enough to actually manifest one. I swear if I see a rainbow tomorrow, I'm calling you Amy
where I will call you tomorrow. I'll say that again. I'm sorry. It might be a couple of days, it might be a week, it might be tomorrow. But like what happens is that is enough. That focus, right is enough. So when it manifests, you'll be like, holy, oh my god, and blue bow. That was it. That's all
it took. Now, it's a little trickier when we have resistance, when we're afraid of something right, and so rainbows are The more you practice something like that, the more you're like, Okay, I know it works. This is how it works. I can weather the bigger stuff that I'm trying to like navigate. You're navigating your mind through it is all you're doing. Wow. I have a question. How much does this depend on visualization from
imagination? So your imagination is very important. However, some people don't visualize, they're not good at it, they don't like it, and so you don't need it. Yeah. The reason I ask is that I have a thing called a fantasia where I can't see things in my brain. But you know what's funny, when we did the Superman thing and you mentioned smelling it, that like brought me there, you know what I mean. I can't I can't see it, but you said that. But right then when I
did the Rainbow thing, it was like nothing. I didn't even you know, I can't I couldn't even see it. And so I hear a lot with manifestation about you know, visualizing, and yeah, that just kind of always piqued my curiosity, like how important is that to the process. It's not so automatically your mind, your subconscious mind thinks and images and feelings.
So the two main ways to get into focusing are visualizing or feeling. People who can't visualize or don't do it or don't like it, they can script. They can write it out. Their mind will automatically form an image even if they don't see it. It's like kind of like in the background, wow, automatic writing. Kind That's how I always describe it to people. Yeah, then some people don't like writing. I don't do the writing. I don't do it for the focusing. I do it to clarify what I'm
going to focus on. But one of my other favorites is feeling work, and so that's where you can like be a little more meditative, right. You can have your eyes open or close and you sort of relax and you just focus on the feelings that you want to have, like feeling gratitude for the rainbow or feeling wealthy. Those feelings also sink into the subconscious, just
like a visualization would. So let's say someone like you know me, for example, I'm really good at visualizing those kinds of things, like the colors, the smells, the sites, the sounds. So I could focus on that and that would be sufficient, you know, because it seems like there's like six different avenues here, you know. So it's like just pick your weapon that you're best with here. So like, if I'm good at the
visualization, just focus on that. Yes, yeah, absolutely. And have you ever seen that little meme It goes around sometimes on Facebook and Instagram where it's like the fish in the bowl the monkey and like the elephant and there's a tree and it's like the classes climb the tree and they can't. Right, Yeah, okay, this is the same in manifesting. We all have natural inclinations towards these things. If you already know yours, stay in that
lane, dabble with the other ones if you want. But if you don't know yours, and that's where you want to experiment and see, because you're going to be stronger on one or the other. But you don't technically need any of them because you're a natural manifest or and you don't even have to do it deliberately. Just thinking about it is enough, right, Okay, big question here, and I'm really seeking this one's not for the listener. This one's for me. Yeah, what are signs that you will see or
anybody you know me? Whoever? What are signs that you will see when something is beginning to manifest? So there's two ways this plays out. The first ways you get no signs and you just get smacked in the face of the manifestation. That has happened numerous times. Yeah that I love that way because it's like, you know, just like go about my life and foop there it is. Okay. The other way is you start to get little bits and pieces. It can be different for each person, but typically it's
related to the manifestation. So a lot of people will say, you know, I'm manifesting you know, ten thousand dollars, and then I saw two two two, and I'm like, that's not related to your manifestation, right that. That's nice, it's it's a synchronicity, but that's not related. If you are manifesting ten thousand dollars and you know, a friend is like, I just want ten thousand dollars, that's a sign. Okay, that's a sign like that something is moving around and like it's becoming more you know,
into your world. I've I've had more times than I can count, many shocking, like truly like traumatic shocking moments in my life where things have happened, you know, just because of all this stuff going on having been you know, just our family's background and everything, and like even recent like some pretty shocking things have happened in my personal life that I'm like, dude, come on, like something's something good has to come from this, and
I don't I don't want to go into it publicly. I would be happy to tell you off air and maybe give me some advice, but like you know, I remember I asked this because when my sister first met you, which was I guess it was the last may or whenever that conference was.
And then she was like really hype about it and was talking to me all about you, and she was telling me that one of the things you said was that sometimes when something really big or really meaningful is beginning to manifest in your life, sometimes you can have very uncomfortable external circumstances as things are moving around. Is that true? Yes, you know, and there are some
sides to manifesting that you know. It's not all glitz and glam. Yeah, and so yeah, you can have things that are removed from your life to make room. I have learned that if you want something to manifest in a way that doesn't bring harm to you or someone else, you can just be like in a way that please So just add in a way that pleases me to all your options. So, how would that be applicable? Like, if I'm doing a visualization or whatever, would that be like inaffirmations or
it would be a thought? So if you're visualizing that, you we'll go back to the ten thousand dollars you're visualizing you have the ten thousand dollars, you'd be like, oh, I love how it happened. It happens in a way that pleased me. Okay, so visualize it being a good,
joyful, positive thing. Yeah. Um, but I've had Yeah, I've had a lot of weird situations where for me personally, I've never had anything so horrible happened as a man or like before a manifestation, but it's always been kind of odd, like I'm like why that, Why is that happening? Like where did that go? Or you know, something will break that I like and I'm like, well goodbye. I didn't know that was the trade. I didn't know that that's what I had to give up. Yeah.
I've heard somebody say before that with manifestation that what they called them angels in this scenario, but that you'll essentially be it's like, yeah, you'll get what you want, but it's if you're not specific, it's just going to take the path of least resistance, and that might that might cause some chaos in your life, you know, and you resolved in focus, okay, And that's something like someone like me who has a lot of experience.
One of the reasons I come out publicly and talk about this is because I want people to learn from my mistakes. And when you say it comes from focus, you mean that comes from um focusing like very specifically and intentionally. Yes. Okay, So so for instance, um, you know, it took me a while to figure out just to add in a way that pleases me, because you know, you remember the genie stories like the Magic Wishes, the three Oh yeah, the genies are always tricksters. I'm always I've
always been obsessed with that archetype. Like as a little kid, I used to sit there and wish or think, like what would be my three wishes? Everybody did? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the genie will give you what you want, but it's what Yeah, you have to be very, very particular, and so the universe is not nearly as tricky as the genie. The genie sort of got like an attitude about it. But the
universe will take you literally, your subconscious will take you literally. So if you're like I would like more money, it is like here's the dollar yeah on the ground, right, and you're like, no, I wanted a thousand dollars, Like would you can tell me that here's a dollar fifty? Be more specific? Okay, So okay, so let's say, for example, I'm interested in manifesting. Uh blood so satso going worldwide? How how
would that? As far as visualization, Let's say I wanted to manifest the future where the whole world is exposed to these lights and they know the truth. How would I visualize this? So, first of all, you're a visualizer, so I would have you visualize being in that moment, a moment in that in that reality that you're looking for. I actually have recurring dreams about that, about being in crowds and people seeing the lights and me being
like I told you all these years, Well that's great. That means your subconscious is already aware of it, so um like already working on it in a sense. And that's not that far off. I mean, I don't think that's that far off given everything else that's happens that we've gone through. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't been able to talk about too much yet. But so so here's what I would do. I would close my eyes. I would visualize, Okay, I'm in this um space. Other people are
seeing it. It's common knowledge, it's happening. And I would add, this is where you want to get particular right. It's a it's a positive experience it's it's making things better for people, people are happier, like instead of focusing on like it's armageddon, right, you don't want to and and you just add all the pieces that are important to you in that moment as though it is happening or has happened, and you might need to repeat it.
So most you know, most of the time I'll have to repeat something. I would say it's less often that I get a manifestation just from doing it once, or those are things I don't care about, but you often have to repeat it. I've also heard conflicting things about like you should you should phrase things as if you already have them. But then also I've heard other things that say, you know, phrase things like that's what you're trying
to get? Is that? Is that something that's also on an individual level, it works different for different people. For manifesting, I definitely recommend from the perspective of already having it is the stronger. So that would be like what you said earlier about visualizing or experiencing the feeling of like the gratitude of having it, or the right like, this's kind of the same thing.
You know, there's something really profound about that it's like, you know, assuming this is a metaphor, you know, I don't necessarily believe every story from the Bible literally, but I think there's profound wisdom, you know, nuggets of wisdom there. And it's like the story where Moses speaks to the burning bush and he says, what's your name? So I'm going to tell the people and God says, I am, I am who I am? And to me, there you know something profound about that. It's like,
we're all God. Right, if all this gnostic stuff, if all this consciousness stuff is true, we're all God. So that's who we all are. We all are I am who I am, And to me, that's the power of manifestation. It's like, no, I don't want to be that I am that because I'm a godlike being and I have the power to manifest that into my reality. Yeah, and I actually use that all the time. I am I am that I am. Right, I'm like, I am that I am. So I'll look at something like I'll be like,
I am that I am. Like it lets me know I'm the same one thing as it, so I'm connected to it. Um that I cannot remember her name or I can't. I do remember her name, I don't remember how to pronounce it. Anita and Marianni or something like that. She's the woman who she died and she came back to life. She wrote a book like Living to Die or something like. Anyway, she's really well known.
Um. She died for several minutes, I believe, um, and she was like given a choice to come back or something of that nature. She came back and she had like full organ failure and she like completely recovered and has been living happily ever after for years. Right. So she describes it as like your hand. Um. So she's like, we're all these different people and we all have different personalities. What we don't see is that
we're all connected. We're all the same one energy, that's that one consciousness. But we're not here to have that experience of being one. We have that over there. We're here to have the individual experience. Right. Wow, that's so profound. Yeah, I mean it makes total sense. It
makes absolute, total sense to me. You know, ancient Hindus have or you know, Hindu since ancient times have been talking about this, well beyond recorded, you know, they're recorded history of five thousand years and They called this Indraw's net. It was the concept that you know, if you look at a spiderweb or a net, and every intersecting node of that net has has a drop a d on it, and the morning sun shining on the dow is going to reflect that light in every piece of d with me and
you are the do dude? Where the dude? D e where where are the du But um, you know, so we we're here at forty five minutes, and I wanted to shift gears here for a little bit before we just beat you to death about I know you talk about this over and over and over. I don't want to, you know, I know you talk about this so much, so I wanted to shift gears. If that's okay
with you. Yeah. Are you willing to expound upon any of your experiences at the Monroe Institute when my family was absolutely absolutely, Oh my gosh, I wish more people knew about Monroe. Um they will, they will. Well, hey, I will say, my dad has a book coming out and like very soon, like twenty one or two days from now, March first, and um, that whole that that weekend like when you were there and everything. Um, that's the last chapter so that that'll be in Dad's
book. But we were can you just tell because like my people, my audience doesn't know that I went to that, like because I don't know. What's really funny is I don't actually know how I ended up. I just showed up. No, no, I know how I got there. But
I was like the one person who wasn't part of the community. And I was like, hello, That's why that's why I was curious, because like, no disrespect, but my sister's telling you all about you and like, you know this this event was created for my family, and that's that's why I was like, Wow, you got to introduce me to Amy. She must be somebody really really cool at that manifestation, right, well, yeah,
yeah, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. It was like really funny because like when the guy called meet in might be the guy who put it together. Um, you know, I had met him at a program at Monroe at Monroe earlier, um a few years before, and he just remembered and thought, oh, you'd be a great addition. And I was like, what is it about like me, Like I mean like I and all this stuff, but like I it's like in my head, like, I don't like communicate with people about it. It's not like a thing,
you know. And so I was like, why why would you want me to be there? He's like, oh, I think it'd be great. I was like, I must be supposed to be there, so I'll go right And then and then he called and he's like, you're gonna be um Elway's roommate. And I was like, who's Emily? Yeah, yeah, yeah, And she's obviously she's amazing. So yeah, what did you want to know about? Well, just like, well, first, what when was the first time you went to Monroe And how did you find out about
it? Oh? Wait, I have a really this is a cool story. Okay, My parents were into manifesting. When I was a teenager. We lived in the Chicago area. The Monroe's tut is outside of Charlottesville and Virginia, right, So my dad was into out of body experiences and he had Bob's books, Bob Monroe's books, and I read them and as a teenager, and then I got another book by a different guy, Bill Biuelman. And when I was in college and I was determined to have an out
of body experience, read this book. This is a perfect example also of the different focusing techniques. Or read this book like it was my Bible. I did everything he said in it. I would lay on the floor every day at the same time in meditate, and I was expected to shoot out of my body and I was like, I must be doing your run. So flash forward like many years. My dad passed away in twenty seventeen and I was going through his stuff and I found Bob's books. Okay, Now
I had moved to Richmond, Virginia in the meantime. Wow, come on, now, come on now, obviously unrelated, like totally I've been in Virginia for years, over ten years. So books, and I'm like, oh, that wasn't the internet. When I read these, I wonder if there's anything online. So I go online and there's the Manroe Institute. Wow. And I'm like, oh, this is great. Where is it? And I'm like an hour and a half from my house, Like what?
Yeah? Now right? And what's even crazier is that guy Bill was hosting and out of Body retreat No at the Monroe Institute. I'm like, come on, how about I asked that guy why it didn't work? Yeah? What I do wrong? Bill. What's a secret. I go, they tell me his program is full. I'm like, oh, no, ma'am, not for me. No, you did not understand I am going to be in this program. So I drove home. I went out there to visit. They had like an open house. It was really nice. They
showed you round and you get to see the check units and everything. It was really cool. And that's when they told me the whole year was full for his programs. I was like wow. By the time I got home, I was an hour and a half later. I'm like, they're going to have a spot for me. And I went online and there was a spot open and I booked it. Oh my wow, come on now, it was too much, too much, right, this was in January. It was for May. So I go in May. And here's a great
example. I get there and they had us do a bunch of different meditations with different styles of how to get out of your body. And I only knew the one from the book. But since he'd written the book, there were all these other styles that have come about, and I was really naturally acclimated to a different style and I was out of my body and no time,
no way, I was. I'm more of a kinesthetic one where I try I like get not my physical body, but I can get my energy body to move and I can get out, whereas I was trying to do like you know, the dead Man's pose before. Yeah, that's that's kind of my vibe. It's like be as still as possible to be like Osirius and a coffin. Yeah, why isn't this information? Oh my god, right, like, why isn't this information more accessible? I didn't know.
There were like multiple ways of I didn't either. I mean I knew about you know, there's certain herbs like blue lotus, but that's cool. So you're saying there's different meditative techniques that are taught at Monroe about how to have an astral body experience. Yes, and we would do like a couple of meditations for each one, and we did the one that didn't work for me, which I've still never gotten that way to work for me. I'm just
not acclimated that way. And then there's other ways that I was like, oh, I'm feeling something right away. And I can also get out through lucid dreams, which I started to have when I started to go in there and that was it. I was like hooked. I think I've been to like nine programs there. Now, wow's you know, honestly, from what I was just told two weeks ago that event that you were at, my sister and my dad and whoever else was there, Jim Carrey was invited.
Oh really, you know what It's been like so many times I was supposed to have met that guy. Really, yeah, multiple times I've missed crossing paths with him. Yes, well, if you meet him, tell him I'm a big fan. We did a whole episode about Jim Carrey. But seriously, um, yeah, that's crazy. So like I was actually invited
that weekend and I chose not to go. There were some things going on privately in my family where I was basically very staunch to my dad, like I will not get involved with anything where I'm gonna have to sign like an NDA where I'm barred from speaking about this experience publicly, Like if I'm gonna to monroe'sa too, I want you and Emily to go figure it out. Meet the people, see if they're nice. Because I didn't know. I didn't know them, you know, it was just an invite and they went.
They had this wonderful experience, and I'm like, dang, I wish I went, I wish I went. So, Um, I'm talking to one of the chair members or board members or whatever you want to call it, and trying to go. He wants me to go, So you know, I would definitely recommend you for if they have some sort of event in the future, I'll definitely say I really like Amy. Get her on the list. Thank you. I mean, I'm already invited, but that's fine. I'm not gonna say, hold up, No, she's gonna put in
a world for you. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what i'd be there. I want to say I want her there too. Oh I'm not It's not like that. I'm saying, like, i'd like to meet you. Yeah, well we're not that far apart. I'm just up with the road in Virginia. But that's true. No, Like, yeah, that event was so interesting. Um, I don't even know what I'm allowed to say about it other than it happens what's
in Dat's books. So I'm pretty sure you're allowed to speak openly about Okay, And I think Monroe appreciates the advertising. Yeah, no, it was. It was great. UM. We did like a night watch every night, which is really cool, and I think I'm mentioned it. We did see something really cool that we documented. Not me, I just laid there. Some other people. M Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I really appreciated it. But my other experiences at Monroe been great. Each
program is slightly different. UM. I get something amazing out of it every time. And I will say this, and I'm not the only person I've run across that says this. UM. A lot of participants I've met say something big manifests in their life that they want after going to a Monroe program or while they're there. And I've had really probably four really big manifestations. Why was out of program there I've got to go so UM. I can't
go into too many details about this at the moment. Anyway, let me just say that very recently, at my house, one of the directors, Like I was just telling you a few minutes ago, one of the directors, one of the board members of Monroe, was at my dad's house and we were talking and he was like, yeah, I would love to get you there, And UM sent me some of the frequencies like what we had
discussed in Emily's episode, like the ones you did the same night. Y'all were all meditating together, if you recall, and um he sent us those frequencies. I'm out of town for a week, staying with my mom and dad, and I'm like, God, but the one time I'm obsessive about when I leave town, I take my Apple AirPods, and this one time, I swear to God, this is how I know something weird manifested here because I had the very slight subconscious urge like I don't need him, never
have that. I always bring him. I don't need him. I left him home. Then I get there. Then that day, the Monroe guy gives us these new frequencies. So I'm the only one around without headphones, and like my wife and my sister listened to these new frequencies. That night, they had an identical dream. I'm talking like to the detail, like every bit of the dream was identical. They didn't discuss any of these things. They they just separately had an identical dream. I didn't listen to the
frequencies because I forgot my headphones. But that night I had a dream I was at Monroe and I've never been there, so it was just some dream version, like I don't know what it really looks like. And I'm sitting in a lecture hall type classroom and there's people all around me. I'm looking to my left, I'm looking to my right. There's an instructor in front of us. And in my dream even it's very vivid. I'm like, you know, I'm not listening to the frequencies, but I'm like, I've
heard these. I know it's real, you know. I'm looking around and I'm witnessing everyone else listen to them, and they're all just weeping and they're having these breakthroughs of consciousness where they're like being I don't know how to explain it, but it was like so vivid for me. It was such a very bizarre feeling to me, like there's something to these frequencies. And then I wake up the next morning and Jenny's like me and them, we have
the same dream. So that's been two weeks two weeks ago. Since then, I have listened to these frequencies maybe like six or seven times, like every few days. I'll pop them on forty minutes that I met your sister uh huh, yeah, I got I got my hands on them. They're high level. I mean they're like they take you high. Yes, they
do. And I've left my body a few times. There's been some times where like nothing weird happens, but I'll get very very like unique let's just say unique um emotions or thoughts or feelings will come to the surface or like um, different different perspectives will come to the surface, and it will be like, you know, I'm thinking it's five minutes, and then it's over and I'm like, oh my god, it's been forty minute, and you're just you just kind of like whoa, you snap out of it, you
know what I mean. And it's like, yes, every time, every single time I've I've lost time, like like you're definitely in an altered trance state. But about half the times I've done these frequencies, I feel these very strange perceptions, like if you can imagine that your consciousness is anchored to your eyes and you're looking around and everything you see as with your eyes while listening to these frequency and I have the mindfold too. My wife bought me
some one Amazon. They're really cheap, like seven bucks or something, and half the times I've been listening to these frequencies, even though my eyes are open, they're in the mindfold, but it's like pitch black. I feel like my consciousness leaves that anchor from being behind my eyes. And like you know, for those who can see the camera, it's like this, it's like just like zooming and it's like boom, I'm out of my body and I just can see things so vividly, but my physical eyes are still seeing
the pitch black of the mindfold. And I and like sometimes I get flashes or receptions of living other lives or other people like I'm seeing them. Yeah, Like literally, there's so many frequencies of consciousness. I don't I mean, who knows how many there are, and we can be a tune to
them for our brain frequencies. The signals what I don't know, what music, whatever they call it, it works to bring us in these different states that those the ones you're talking about, those can take you, like really expand it and you can have a lot of different experiences. I'm not surprised
you're having all those experiences. I am. I've never listened to them for an extended period of time, but when I have heard them or listen to them briefly, it's like the instant they turn one, I feel like light and almost like I'm starting to float and like I'm not even kidding, Like the vibrations that I feel internally are very intense. With headphones, it's even
more intense. Oh well, I'm talking about with headphones, okay, because because when you were at my house last weekend, I played it out loud on my phone, and even without headphones, you look at me and you're like, what is that? And you were you were I knew, I knew exactly what it was. I was like, yeah, I have to turn that off if we're going to record an episode in a minute. You
were shot even without headphones. It's weird. And again I don't like I won't see anything but the feelings and the the you you described it really well earlier for people who like can't see things, they feel things, and like it's almost like I feel like scenarios, like like made up scenarios. I can I feel them in like you know, fantasy stories. It's it's really
weird. But my thoughts are extremely vivid. In my emotions are extremely vivid, even if I'm not seeing anything and those tapes turn that on like a light switch. Like it's bizarre. Are I have yet to? Oh? And also, uh, my wife she made a mindfold. She has she has like some of those safety goggles for like whenever she's using power tools and stuff. She's an artist. Uh, and she just put like black felt
all the way around it and like taped it up and everything. So I like have those on and I mean literally like three to five minutes or something, and I'm like, I can't do this anymore. Like I feel like I'm you know, I don't know. It's it's a it's a very bizarre feeling, and I don't know that I'm quite warmed up to it yet. Yeah, there is a thing that happens at the programs UM. I think
she mentioned it and you're when she was on the podcast. UM. They slowly gradually work you up through the week, but different frequencies because it's it's hard the ground running from like daily routine to like these higher states of conscient they're not really higher, there's more expanded, and so you may just be you just maybe jumping higher. What you do is like do it after you've woken up, after you've been asleep in your mind's a little more slower.
I would try it then I have some of those lighter ones like that you're talking about, Amy, Like, maybe that's what we should do, because I should send you some of the lower level ones to phase you into it, because I think, yeah, I got no problem. I think I might need to gradually step my way up. There's one. There's one level they have, um, it's Focus twenty seven. I think the first time I went to it, I loved it so much that when I came home
from that retreat, it was a different one. I listened to it like every day for a week, and I remember being like, I don't remember what I did five seconds ago. The whole week. Yeah, Emily. Emily described the very same sensation when she came home from Monroe for a while.
She was like, I don't even know what's really anymore. Yeah, it's it's like, it's not like, you know, the sense of going crazy, but it's the sense of having such expanded experiences at Monroe that you come home and you're like going to work, going to lunch with your friends, all this mundane crap. That's like, dude, a week ago I'm at Munroe and we're flying through the universe out of our body. You know, It's like, what's what's even real? Is any of this real?
You know? Like I guess that happens? Amy? Do you are you typically like pretty grounded? Uh with with like your your astral self or like your spiritual something like? Do you typically feel pretty grounded? Yeah? Yeah, I'm very practical, very logical, which is I think what made me such a good person's really good into manifesting because I can have the experiences. I'm open to it, but I can also take it and figure it out
and teach it to people. Yeah. Yeah, Like I see myself that way, like I I am open to these expanded experiences, but then the logical brain is like, oh that's how it works. And then I turn around and I just try to explain it to other Well, Ryan, how about you? Do you usually feel pretty grounded or like? Well, you I know I am because you know, the experiences that I've been having my whole life have been on the visual the you know, the visible spectrum,
and have had so many hundreds of witnesses with me. I'm like, I know this shit's real. Oh no, no, no, that's that's not necessarily what I mean. I mean, like on a day to day basis, do you have any trouble because you know, there are moments in life where we have to like use our monkey brains, you know what I mean, where I can have to do the minutia, the day to day stuff. No, I have a very hard time functionally functioning as as a as a normal Like I could tell you right now, I'm not the kind of
individual that functions very well in a typical nine to five. Yeah, you know, there's so much other stuff on my mind. And then this stuff is like so mundane, so boring. It's just so little and so meaningless to me. But it's like I got bills, can I I just want to say that the experiences that your family had and you had and you were younger, I'm not surprised. I mean you you you had experiences some people
want to have their whole life. Yeah, you know, and and so so for me, like when I learned manifesting younger, it always gave me this different edge going into everything, like I'm really practical and grounded, like I can, I can nine to five It like nobody's business. But and I'm really good at it, but like it gave me a different perspective.
So I'm not surprised with that with you, because you just had access to something the majority people don't have access to yet and then take that and then make it you know, sometimes daily or weekly or monthly occurrence and like still to this day. You know, started when I'm thirteen. Now I'm going on thirty here in the next six months, and it's still happening. It's
never stopped. It's actually ramping up in intensity. And now I'm at a point where I'm like, I'm not cut out for nine to five world. I just I can't like And it's not it's not a it's not a like, it's not an arrogant thing. It's like I can't function. I can't function. Yeah, I understand what you mean. It's it's like, how am I supposed to focus on any of this stuff here when I'm like, I'm already I'm seeing the world as a consciousness matrix and not a hardcore you
know reality. It's like it's hard for me to reconcile sometimes visibly, not to mention, like visit like Amy, you saw it, right, So what man? I Monroe, like you saw the lights, you know what, as hilarious as I was the first person that saw it, and I was like, oh, that's probably nothing, and I didn't tell you about it. That's always however, and then and then everyone's like, oh my
god, I'm like, well that, yeah, I saw. It's like I meet a lot of people who, you know, just through being a podcaster, through being interested in this world, and you meet a lot of people who are into conspiracies, and they're like, I know too much. Man, the government's take an advantage that you know. It's like I know more than others. I blah blah blah. It's like, you know,
that's fine, but like I am seeing things that are incomprehensible. It's like, think of the character, think of the character from any HP Lovecraft novel who's seeing these unfathomable horrors beyond the veil and they're like driven mad. That's me. But it's like I'm not driven mad. It's a positive experience and they're not unfathomable horrors, but I'm like driven mad with like trying to show it to people, like you see what I'm saying, Like, that's that's
really me. That's really who I am. The way they get to get them to see it is to like, let me rephrase the way I would do it. I'm sure there's lots of ways. Um would be to see it as like a spectrum. You can see a range on the spectrum the average person doesn't have access to yet, so you would want to find a way expand their spectrum. They'll immediately see it if they can see that spectrum. Yeah, no, absolutely, it's it's it's goes back to like their
frequency things. Different pieces of consciousness operate on different wave links, different frequency levels, and and if you can get somebody to expand to accommodate for that frequency, they'll see it. Yeah, they'll see it without trying. Yeah. Yeah, and it would make sense, why, you know, think
about it, like with your dad. You know, your dad has been seeing these these lights for what seventeen years, sixteen years, and now it's at a point where he is so he's beyond focus and he is in belief that has been you know, projected on him. It's kind of been forced on him because they're appearing every day he sees them. He doesn't have to try to focus there, they're there and that has raised his vibration, it's
raised his spectrum of frequency. And I think, do you think Amy that when you get around people, that your energy could feed off of theirs and and potentially expand yours even to a certain degree. I absolutely believe that. I think you know because I was there with your dad. First of all, your dad is one of the kindest, most genuine human beings I've ever met. Like, he's just amazing m and he like that's he's the difference
between believing and knowing. He's like belief. Who needs belief? What are you talking about? He had an energy about him that was very calm, kind, patient, and he would go out every night with us to the night watch and he would just be like, they'll come, just open up your heart, open up your mind. And all these other people were talking about what about this? What about that? You know, people have questions
and stuff, and he was just he was very grounded in it. Yeah, and his energy I could possibly, in my guests, be why we got to have that experience. YEA many times, I've never seen anything like that there before. Well, according to the people at Monroe, was their first ever official sighting, and they've had tons of people come to do the whole CE five contact protocol and nothing. Yeah, you know, so like we had everything we had we had not me again, I was just a
random tag along who sat out there in the grass with everybody. No, but it wasn't really random, right of that, right, I mean here we are today, you know, yeah, here we are. But they had the team that had the cameras and all the equipment. I was impressed. I was like, oh my gosh, this is like national geographics they had. They had like these random sensors, like random generated sensors or something set up around the perimeter of the property. That was like I don't know,
Dad explained it. I don't know the technicality of it, random number generators, and they were like getting trips on these sensors when these things were appearing like they got real data. Yeah, we had several layers of research going on from I think a couple of different teams. It was pretty cool. That's the technical side of that. I don't know. But I saw them set it up every night and they would show us the next day. They're all excited and I'm like, what are we looking at it? Okay,
yeah, I can't I can't wait it. Yeah, so that'll be in the last chapter of Dad's book, can't wait, um Amy, We're at over an hour. I've really enjoyed the conversation. Is there anything else that you feel like you need to get off your chest, anything that you feel like you missed. No, but I do want to put it out there for people who you know, might be new to manifesting and you know that you want something better for you in your life. I want you to
know it's possible. And I've you know, like I said, got thirty years of personal experience. I've been a coach in manifesting for twenty one years. So I just want to be like a realistic you know, this can work. It will work if you really put your mind to it. Um. It is not overnight a lot of times, and I think that's something that a lot of people who are new to it don't get, you know, They're like, oh, this is going to change my life overnight.
It might not. It might take a little bit of time to gain some momentum with it, but stick with it. Please stick with it it. Once you get like over or that like, oh I figured it out, play with rainbows, then to really like get the bigger stuff that you're looking for. Yeah, I feel like so, I just recently watched this documentary
called Stuts. Have you heard of it? So it's this Jonah Hill made it, and it's about Jonah Hill's therapist, and he has a very unorthodox, what would be considered unorthodox approach to therapy and counseling, which involves actual like tools and practices and things that you can do to achieve the things that you want in your life. A lot of them are actually there's a lot
of overlap with manifestation. I kind of see you in the same way because you know, through I've been hearing about and researching and learning about manifestation for maybe two or three years now, But in this one hour long conversation you have put things into a completely different perspective that it's just like it seems so simple and easy and it just clicks and makes perfect sense, and it's the same it's it's kind of the same thing that that very profound documentary did.
So I think you your insight into this particular subject is like invaluable. You obviously have like a very solid grasp of what you're talking about, and you know how to get it across. And I'm trying to make it simple because it's a simple concept. But when you put the person in it, and the person's emotional and they have old programming, it can be a little hard.
It's not it's not impossible. You can navigate out of it or navigate through it, but it's I just want people to know, like, this is amazing, it'll change your life, but be patient and kind and gentle with yourself in the process, because it's it's you know, we're all starting from different places and it depends on what you want. And I just want to be really realistic with people. Yeah, And and people won't get anywhere being hard on themselves, right, So yeah, that's beautiful, that's amazing.
Yeah, I love that. So for anybody, just in case, you never know, somebody could have skipped to the metal and not heard your plug in the beginning. So one more time, wherever you want people to find you or go, if you wouldn't mind mentioning those again here at the end of the episode. Yeah, if you want to see my manifesting videos where I walk through how to do it, lots of tips, tutorials and a YouTube channel. It's illuminating Joy and then I still have the same name
on Instagram. That's where I post more about my life, what I manifest, fun stuff like that and all my rainbows. And then go to my link tree and my Instagram profile and subscribe to my email. You'll get a free PDF of how to manifest money, and it's the way that anyone can do. It's a there's lots of different techniques and manifesting. This is an easy one. You can track it and it's it's really good. I would definitely I would definitely play with that one too. Awesome. Amy, I
feel like this has been to me. This is one of my this is what I set out to do because the whole reason that personally, you know, my crew has all different reasons for doing this. It's fun, it's insightful, it's informational, But to me, what really matters is we're teaching people how to take these spiritual nuggets of wisdom and like apply it into their life. And I feel like this was one of those episodes that I will always recommend to people. Now I can say I have an expert manifesto on
our show. If you want to learn about manifestation, watch this episode. I'm very happy, very grateful about that. I feel like we just checked off a major thing on our list here. So thank you so much for coming on. Honestly can't yeah, thank you enough. So incredible, and we would love to have you on again sometime because I feel like we just kind of scratched the surface and we could get we could get so deep, you know, barely. We gotta do this again. This was too much
fun. So I'm one of the most interesting conversations that I've had in a minute. This is this has been amazing. I feel like I've really really learned. And it's like it's crazy because it's not like the stuff you're saying isn't out there. That's not what's so mind blowing. It's just because of who you are and the proof that you have done these things and have proven
time and time again. I mean just looking at your Instagram and seeing all your posts and I'm like, I've got to have her on, Like you know, who just goes and meets all these celebrities just for just for fun, you know, the funzies. You know. This is my practical, grounded side where I'm like, um, you know when people are like, oh, you can't do that. I'm like, oh, well, I'm gonna go do it twice, and like I love when people challenge me, I'm like, okay, yeah, seriously, she's plugged it twice now,
illuminating joy. Check out her Instagram. It's pretty mind blowing. But um, thank you. Amy. We have a tradition on the show where we all say bye guys together. So on the count of three and then hang on, we're gonna end the recording and then we'll actually really say goodbye. So on the kind of three, we're gonna say bye guys. One, two, three, Bye guys. Weird things happen in the backyard of blots House, said over us, descending, I got it's so weird coming closer
to my heirst industry up like spiraling on the inside of it. No one knows. Wow, it's come right over time. Shine ain't camp