250: Contact Modalities Xpo 2026

I'm really I know it went well. They were kind of updating me through the weekend, but I am looking forward to hear the full scoop and hear about all the you know, the good times and the cool people they met. And before we get into that, I want to do a special thank you to our Light Being Tear members on Patreon. So we have Dylan Kim, my friend who wants to remain anonymous, Brian Lynch, Derek Longoria,

and the Eperson's married couple, Chris and Danielle Epperson. And my brain is really fuzzy from no sleeps, So I got everybody that was everybody, Thank you guys very much for supporting us. Also, just in general, to anybody who listens to the show or who is involved in anything that we do, thank you very much for your kind and generous support at any level, monetarily or otherwise, and we are just trying to keep this train going day

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you'd be willing to check that out. And anyway, without further ado, now I'm going to bring in my special guest, the producer of the show, Alex, to talk about his weekend at his first conference. Oh man, thank you so much for having me on, Ryan. I cannot wait to talk about contact medalities. Dude, Wisconsin. It was incredible, Like I've blown away. I've never really spent much time on

a lake before. First, I do want to say that I got to basically film kind of a vlog style thing for Full Disclosure, which is on Patreon, so if you go subscribe to Patreon you can get to see that, but a lot of behind the scenes content of the weekend. But anyway, I'm going to tell you all about it, so stick with me here. But man, and it was

just so beautiful and the people there were so nice. Yeah, I mean everybody that I ran into was just incredible, from Chad who picked me up all the way down the line to Sarah, who I basically you know, had the same flight home with. So we just chatted and chatted and chatted. That's really cool. Yeah, we had a blast. Man. We'll just start at the beginning, Okay, So I get in a little bit late, right, I don't know what to expect. I get I get linked up with the driver.

Everything's cool. I get in a little bit late. The sun had already gone down. So I drive up to this mysterious, enormous lake lawn resort and it's dark and I'm like, oh yeah, oh my gosh, and it's dark. It's dark. Yeah, and it's massive too, and dude, and all the hallways look the same. It's beautiful, but it's all like one story or sub story, which is not something I'm used to going underground because we live so close to the to the water, so in other words,

we're at sea level. It's flat. Yeah, yeah, so you can't it's not I don't grow I didn't grow up with a basement, Like, I don't know about basement life. But so I am so disoriented, right, I mean, I'm looking at a map, but the map doesn't line up because I can't see anything outside. And then I get linked with your family and I say hello, and next thing I know, it's nine o'clock. I did a little filming in my room of you know, just getting in, and then it was like nine thirty. Your whole family

had already eaten. But your mom and your sister were nice enough to go with me to the restaurant and sit down, so they're taking me all around. I'm still I had such a hard time because I really I'm the kind of person that likes to get my bearings, and this was not happening. And I'm like walk wandering down these halls and have no clue where I am, and it almost feels like you're just walking in circles. But anyway, we sit down in the restaurant and I

ordered some cheese kurages cheese curds. It was really important. It's a huge note. They were delicious. But we sat right in front of the door, and we're sitting in front of the door and people start recognizing us, and it was I had to take a moment because I had just like crossed over from the real world to like Bledsoe said, so world where you know, I am someone that gets recognized, right, And so it felt at first like the celebrity treatment of like getting recognized in public.

And then I kind of realized that we're at a conference, so it's not like the same as getting recognized in public. But it was still so cool. Some people stopped, got to talk to him, and it was just like it was an awesome like shift into that world. So we had a lovely dinner and then ended up trying to go to sleep. Got back to my room about ten eleven o'clockish, and dude, I had such a hard time going to sleep, Like I was just the energy of

all of it. I was just absolutely buzzing, And I ended up, I think, staying tossing and turning until about two in the morning. But then I kicked my day off right and got linked up with your dad and made our way down to the booth and you know, set up some books and then it just started rolling. And something that I really liked about the conference that I have never had the luxury of of before with the street fairs is like the street Fair just does

not stop, you know. The line just is constant the whole time. But the conference, especially at the size of the conference, which I was like, I thought it was just perfect, like and it was my first one, so I had nothing to compare it to. But I was like, man,

this is awesome. But someone really cool would be having their talk for two hours and like the line would disappear and everybody would disappear and it would be like, okay, cool for like two minutes, we can catch our breath and like, you know, use the restroom whatever I didn't feel stressed about, like being glued to the table, And then that talk gets let out and here come everybody again, and the line builds back up. And so the spacing

of all of that was perfect. There was always something really interesting going on, and then like all of the interesting people around us, it was just it was awesome. And I remember, I mean day one, the weather was beautiful. I started to get an understanding of where I was, and then it just kicks off, man, and we just start meeting people, people who already know me, people who didn't know me, just chatting it up. And I was in a wonderful mood the whole time. So I was

a joy to be around. Yeah that's fair. I'm kidding. I'm kidding, I know, man, So I'm trying to think. So then so day one ends right, and then we get into the SkyWatch, and that is all about making sure that everybody gets dinner and some rest before the SkyWatch. And that's always the tricky part. That's always the tricky part, And comparing it again to the street fairs. This was so much nicer. Yeah, to just be like, okay, hard stop, go to the hotel room, you know, make sure everybody

is taken care of, and and then we transitioned. But that first night SkyWatch Man, it was. It was awesome. Junior's family, Emily, Chris and probably my guess and I did you know, I didn't count. I didn't bring the clicker with me, but my guess is somewhere around seventy people. That's kind of how it felt. It was cold, dude, it got down to like thirty three that night. Oh my god, that was colder in last year's. Yeah. The great part is is it warmed up every night by

about ten degrees, so wow. Yeah, someone came out, started to fire, someone else had a PA system. Everything just kind of fell into place. I was so pleased with like the the orderliness of it, but also like how organic and relaxed. It felt like it did not feel like a production, and it never has felt like a production for me, just with what I'm used to because I've never been to a conference. So that part was nice.

But all of the needs kind of got taken care of and all the boxes got checked, and the vibe was just pretty much perfect on Friday. One of my

favorite quotes is from a gentleman. We were your dad's talking and getting everybody into kind of a prayer and meditation state, and someone goes, let Chris cook, that's fine, and so that was awesome, and we ended up seeing you know, orbs and how many do you think on that first night, like a rough estivate, So you know, there we were getting some in light interference from the resort, but that's one of those things that you just can't you can't really control. And it was so cloudy that day.

Everybody was like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. And the clouds just disappeared about two hours to sundown and then the moon, the full moon rises. It was a beautiful moon, but that does also wash the sky out a little bit. Yep. Given that, I would still say that we probably saw around fifty or Oh wow. I wasn't expecting that number. Yeah, I was expecting you to say, like twenty. I mean, that's great. I didn't count, right, So I can confidently say it was probably somewhere between

twenty and fifty orbs. Yeah, probably closer to fifty, Like there was a lot of the football. Chat was low, right, the connection was high, the vibe was right. Everybody was very open, very receptive, and that's something I've really appreciated about this conference. Like there was a lot of people speaking at this conference. I mean, you know, you had Dahlia there, you had Megan, and I'm going to blank

on everybody else. Is because I was so wrapped up in what was going on, right, but they had so many cool people shout out Trey Hudson and the God Helmet, like, so many cool things going on that you know, this is far from the most out there thing. So so most people, like most everybody there had their mind right. And when I say that, I mean they're looking for something, they're they're excited, they're open to it, and they're reserving,

you know, they're really their cynicism disguised as skepticism. And that allowed for the phenomenon and the connection to be heightened and to be greater, and the experience for everybody to be to be better. Right, even though it was cold, right, but that's just what you have to deal with, and very successful evening. The walk back down the warm hallway

was perfect. I mean, it was just so warm, and then you start to realize why all the hallways are covered, like because if if you built the Lake Awn Resort in Wilmington, it would all be open air walkways. And I'm like, man, why is all this stuff covered? And then it's like, oh yeah, because it gets to be cold all the time. But man, that first SkyWatch was just just awesome, and I just remember, I mean I did sleep a lot better that next night because I

was just so tired exhaustion from just being on. But before you move on past the first SkyWatch, I was curious if you had seen any sort of like standout orbs in particular, or were they all just kind of like running the mill? You know, Like I want I hate this question, man, because I mean, were they just like normal orbs? Because you were telling me the ones that stuck out to me were from the third SkyWatch. Oh okay, all right, yeah, so my initial thought is

just run of the mill. But that's my bar is different than everybody else's, you know, because I've been so close to you and your family for so long that like it's just another day, you know what I mean. So, but responding to the crowd, right, so we're still having that where when the attention gets focused on the orb it dims out or brightens up or dims out or reacts right. And there were the cool thing about this, this particular Skywatches, there was a lot of people there

with their own night vision. We had green phosphorus night vision, we had white phosphorus night vision, and a lot of psionics cameras and so people were like sharing their night vision. And this was really cool just because the crowd was so right and the perfect size for this kind of thing where you could you felt good about handing a stranger your psionics camera so that they could see what you were seeing. That also kind of lifted the vibe.

And I mean, I remember from this one SkyWatch that stuck out to me was as oh, and I'll preface this too, when I hang out with your dad and at the sky watches, he basically we get to the location and he hands me the psionics and he says record it all. And so it's like, Okay, he's got the mic and a laser pointer and he's interfacing with the sky more or less and here's me and trying to keep up, and I'm just like ping ping, ping ping,

follow the laser pointer and record every orb. But I remember watching this particular orb, two of them coming from different points in the sky, and and you know, if you weren't really paying attention, it would look to that this this orb was on a linear track. When the second orb came into play, the linear track becomes a curved track, and then they begin traveling together. So you know you're talking about that's that's one of the biggest things.

It's a satellite. Well, I don't think that it would curve and then join up in succession. No, it's impossible because the Earth is supposed to be orbiting in a specific way and those satellites are in that gravitational orbit. Oh, they can't turn like that. We did see I saw starlink for the first time with the naked eye. Cool. Yeah, and everybody was like, it's starlink and it was like, yeah, it's starlink. That's it was still cool. I've never seen

it before. It's if you were someone who had their head under a rock and did not know what that was, that would be an intense experience. Yeah, it's like, holy crap. So it was cool to have basically the example of a true satellite passed by while we're doing this, and you can say, okay, that was but this isn't right.

Same thing with planes and all that. It's very clear and everybody would shout plane, and you know, then you look for the next orb So for one that stood out for that first guy, watch that's what I would say. But otherwise for Alex's radar, it was pretty run of the mill. So we get onto day two and you know, the mornings are mostly the same. The fun part was having breakfast with different people every day, because yeah, I

enjoyed that too. Yeah. And I would wake up and I would I feel like, oh man, I'm the first one up. I'm early. And then I walk down and I see your dad sitting at the restaurant with new people every time, and there's a seat and I go sit down with them, and it turns out I'm like one of the last ones to get to get up. That's funny. Yeah. So but getting to really meet some cool people over a meal, that part was awesome, and

then you know, then we get to it. I forgot to mention your dad was on a panel that first day. A lot of it was a very diverse panel, it was really cool. I got to meet doctor Hennessy and it telepathy tapes. She's great. She was awesome, really cool to meet her. She was on a panel all with your dad, and the way that they talked with each other was just so cool. I mean, they're so aligned in their mission. Yeah, I'm a big fan of her

work and yes, yeah, so that was cool. Getting to meet her and and see that that happened between them was really cool. So that was the first day. Second day, the speaking engagement was your brother Chris Junior, and your dad and Jimmy church On, Like I sit down two hours, sit down, I'm not gonna lie to you. I did take this time of like, okay, I know where everybody is. I'm just gonna go have a minute. And I would just kind of pop out and clean up the booth

and sit around and catch my breath. So I didn't watch one hundred percent. I watched probably like fifty percent. But still it was incredible, you know, talking about a lot of the experiences, but your brother man, your bro like just to think that that and they talked a little bit about this, but just to think that he's

the same guy that came on our show. Yeah, you know that first time and he's come along when he's come such a such a far away and it's so cool to see and and he really was just like, dude, it for a while. Your dad was there, but it was the Christian and your show, and he was just like answering and had the answers and and was off the cuff and then when he didn't like the question, he would throw it right back at Jimmy and it was just so it was it was so perfect, you know.

And while it was going on, people in our discord were freaking out and they were given commentary on it saying it was amazing. Yeah he really. I haven't seen it myself, but I've heard that it was just truly amazing. They recorded it. I don't know where yeah that went. I didn't ask, but awesome, so awesome. And uh, I can't remember the day that your sister's sang, do you know what we should do? What is that if they invite us back next year, you and I should do

a live podcast. We should That'd be cool because I'm you know, we're gonna do one in a few weeks in California and contact in the Desert that just occurred to me. Next time, if she comes calling, I'll say, but this is what I want. I want to do a live podcast. Yeah, dude, I'd love to go back. Man. I did not get enough kurds, I did. Did you have any prepackaged ones? They're nasty. Yeah, you gotta have the Yeah, yes, yeah, shout out Tim, thank you buy

some curds. Yeah, that was nice. Uh. And then I did buy some cheese in the in the airport for Olivia. Brought her some cheese home. Awesome. Yeah, Wisconsin's great, Jude. I mean, I'm really looking forward to going back. I met a lot of great people. I'm gonna try to save my shout outs for the end, and I hope I don't hurt anybody's feelings if I forget them. But moving to day two, it was like really cool because personally, like I was catching my groove. I was understanding the

layout of everything. I can't believe it took me so long to figure out how to walk from there to I never figured it out, dude. But then amaze, you know, and I just really caught a groove with myself. So that probably translated to my interactions with everybody met more incredible. People talked more with the people from before, and Day two it was your uh No, Day two was christ Junior. Day three was Emily, Chris Junior and your dad. But yeah, so day two SkyWatch was a little bit later, and

there was a little bit more people. I'd say they're probably was closer to like eighty this time is eighty to one hundred, like just a handful more people. And it was about ten degrees warmer and the same same setup, same location. But there was something just a little bit different about this one that no one could really kind of place that the energy had just shifted a little bit and it was more of like kind of a party vibe. There was a lot of group talking going on.

There was a lot of like football chats so to speak. You know, people were more there to like socialize and for the vibe than to really like have a contact experience. So that they had come from a cocktail mixer and they were drinking alcohol, weren't they. That's correct, So there you go, right, So that is certainly a theory as to what it was. I don't anyway run of the mill experience like still sawt war. There was still plenty to be seen. I would estimate what was my last estimate,

thirty fifty. This was probably just just shy, just a little bit less. That's amazing, Yeah, considering you know the vibes. We Yeah, I'm also really bad at counting, so it's hard to in the dark anyway, And you know how I am. I just got a lot and I'm trying. I'm bouncing back and forth. Every time I see a green laser go up in the sky, I'm like on it. And then it all happens so much. I just have to take a break from the camera for a second. But then I feel bad because I'm like, I'm missing

all this I'm missing all this data. Right anyway, move on from that right the third day, I think I'm pretty sure Emily sang on the third day. That was really cool to experience that live. And then it was Emily, Chris Junior and your dad. Again. I probably experienced about fifty percent because again I use that time to like catch my breath. But that went really well. It's the whole conference got empty, like I was the only one

that wasn't in that talk, you know what I mean. So, yeah, you're the only one not in that room and Uh, I actually I think I ended up I ended up doing an interview for somebody's TikTok during that time, and I had I honestly had a great time. So that's cool. I think that was Jack I did an interview for. But cool. Yeah, that was my little celebrity moment. But then that that gets us to the vip SkyWatch and this was this was really cool. This was out on

a farm and uh, get everybody out there. So many people wanted to donate and and like hop on at the very end, and we worked with with the event and made that happen. So that was cool. Got extra people. The fundraiser for or Chris Junior son that it was incredible. We raised a ton of money for Vincent and all of that. It went great, right, So this vip SkyWatch fundraiser incredible. Is probably the best guy watch of the night and I of the weekend. Yeah, of the weekend,

excuse me. And so there was two standout orbs here for me. But I just want to talk about more of like this. Gentleman, Hey, everybody, this is Alex of Bledsoe said. So, if you've been following the show for a little while, you'd know that I just had a child, and this has been one of the most life changing experiences that I've ever been through. However, it has made me way busier, and I'm sure many of you out there are parents, and many of you out there are busy.

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curious about that. How is the drive situation? So everybody just kind of piled into cars, And the funny thing was is that the GPS took everybody to a different place, Like there was an email sent out. Everybody had the address, Like everything that could be done was done, and we end up like a mile down the other end of

the road. Oh wow, to where I was. Like, I basically had to pull up a satellite and because we're in the middle of farmland, Wisconsin, like, yeah, you can count the buildings on the road, right, And so I'm pulling up a satellite map and like took a guess and was basically like Junior turned the car around right now, and that's how we got there. Crazy because like, without that we would have been very late to our own skywash.

Hasn't been the first time. It wouldn't be the first time, right right, it's most times really, but yeah, this guy, this guy had us in. His name was Lee. And it gets dark and we go out into this hayfield, his hay farm, Basically the whole story was that he hey got expensive, so he bought the farm, and that's a great backstory. Yeah. Yeah, he harvest the hay, rolls it up and then takes it to his homestead where he feeds all of his animals. And I guess you

saw some too or whatever. So we're a good ten miles away from the now, ten minutes away from the resort, far enough away, so much less light. The moon rose probably a good couple hours later, so we had a from probably about like eight to ten ish ten is about when the moon came up, So we had a great like two hours of really really dark sky. That'll do wonders for a SkyWatch. Absolutely, it's really cool to look at the full moon, but it really washes out

the sky. And I remember, just stepping back a little bit. I remember being at the SkyWatch the night before where the moon rose just a couple of minutes earlier, where I'm like walking around the SkyWatch and like I'm trying to pick out people's faces and who they are, and it's like extremely dark, and then the moon comes up and I feel like, all of a sudden, I can

see it was just like weird, like yah. Who turned the lights on anyway other than rain or clouds of full moon is like the worst thing for a SkyWatch, right, But man, everybody that came to this one pretty much came correct. And the vibe was perfect. And the original wireless PA system that we had broke. The guys, the sound guys, who were awesome, all volunteers, shout out Elliott pulled through with the wired sound system. I have no clue how they got everything going on, but they did.

So next thing I know, you know, chairs show up and and PA system shows up, and again everything comes together in such an organic but like orchestrated way. It was just perfect and we had everything we needed and then we start. And not long after we start, Man, this is probably the the the orb that that stands out the most to me from that night where this this orb shoots across the sky and where maybe it

was a it was a half a mile walk. You know, we're maybe like an eighth of a mile to the tree line, and this orb is just beyond the tree line, but in the sky above the trees. Bright white shoots across the sky with this orange tail coming off the back of it, and the it's hard to describe. Wait, the orb was white with an orange tail. The white and orange because the tail looked like a sparkler on the fourth of July and was throwing sparks off the back of the tail as it stretched to the sky.

And it's hard to like gauge the size, right, but it had this long tail that I've never seen. You know, I've seen shooting stars. I've seen many shooting stars. This is very different. Like I think you've said it before, where someone took a brushstroke across the sky, but think of a brushstroke that was on fire and these sparks were flying off it. The crazy thing is we've talked about we've shouted out mel On here, right, mel who

organized the event. She is eating dinner at the resort, and she has her back to the window and they're eating and I think it's her family or whoever she's eating with, and all of a sudden, their jaws hit the floor because they saw it, Oh wow, out of the windows, like a ten minute drive away. They saw it. Interesting, yeah,

and they go and she's like, what was that? And they explain it to her and then she's like, it must have been Chris, and then talks to people who were at our SkyWatch and then fully, yes, we just saw that, so, you know, and every time a little bit of chatter happens, your dad, you know, they call it back with prayer. Your dad asked your sister to read a prayer. They read the prayer to the Holy Spirit, and all of a sudden, everybody's aligned and the orbs

are back. This is happening. They're they're moving in threes, a lot of a lot of incredible movement, you know, obviously not satellites again. And then there's this orb that goes across the sky and everybody reacts to it and it brightens up, and then your dad goes, well, let's ask it to do it one more time, and it brightens up and everybody freaks out, and he's like, well let's try again, and it brightens up and everybody freaks out. And so then I'm like, okay, it's happened three times.

So like, this is not skeptic me. This is me holding a psionics camera for the purpose of data. I start counting the seconds in between, because I'm like, okay, it's flashed this many times, let's just count the seconds, right, counted the seconds the first time, it's ten seconds in between the flashes. Because it keeps flashing, we keep calling out to it, and it keeps flashing again. Right, the first times ten seconds, the second time is fifteen seconds.

I'm like, okay, well it's clearly not on a pattern here. I'm not going to keep counting. It ended up flashing for us probably five or six times. Oh wow, yeah, until it finally disappeared. That's amazing. It was that one stood out to me. And then this isn't just what happened, this is just what stands out. So this is like outside of the normal u se orbs appear in the sky, move around and disappear, right. That happened many times. This one probably maxed out the sightings we had probably closer

to one hundred one hundred and fifty orbs. Jesus. We were also out there for a little bit longer, but it was it was constant. I mean I when I tell you your dad had a laser, Emily had a laser, and Chris Junior had a laser and they were all pointing at different things in the sky at the same time. So we're talking three different orbs in the sky at once.

I can't keep up. I just have to pick one laser and watch it because I like to watch one from the moment I turned the camera on until it disappears. But like dude, in my videos, I'm just bouncing around the sky. Yeah, boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. I mean, definitely I would. I would one hundred percent waiser on one one hundred and fifty. It was probably more wow after the one that was reacting to what we were saying and calling out to it. I kind

of missed this one. I kind of caught the tail end. But what I heard was that it like dropped out of the sky and it was green. What do you mean dropped out of the sky like it was on a tree line to our right, But this one looked more like it was out in the sky and not as close as the last brushstroke one that but it like fell down like hmm, fell almost forward, like out of the sky. It's like a weird, unnatural movement, yes,

and green. Interesting and then through a green tail wow, and then went out and I caught it out of the corner of my eye. People were screaming, and I'm like scanning the sky about what the streaming about, and I catch it just over the tree line. Wow, very wild. Dang sounds like the most successful SkyWatch yet. Well, I mean it is kind of hard to beat. You know, other events where there have been things like, you know, balls of light materializing with wings and splitting into multiple

I mean that that's Oh, there were not birds. There were on the God you want to be more lear because I don't like that word. What do you mean? There were beings of light with wings. There were winged beings that flew over and disappeared. Okay, some people call them not birds. I'm not particularly a fan of that. I think it's confusing and people like to throw nicknames and they stick. But as in they were not birds,

as in they were not birds. There were beings of light that materialized and they had wings like a bird or a dove or something. Right, And with this this, at least in my experience, with this phenomenon, everybody seems to see something different. Yeah, sometimes for sure. What I can tell you for sure is that I saw a flock of things with wings. Yeah, they did not seem very They seemed dark to me, as in not giving off light, fly over our head. And then it was

impossible to see them, so they disappeared. Essentially very strange activity, especially given you know, everything that was going on. Some people reported that they were glowing, some people other other descriptions, right, But that to me kind of advances the point of that they were something else, because if everybody's having a different experience as to what it is, it has in my mind that makes me think that it's something else. That sounds like the most successful SkyWatch yet it was.

It was up there, man, I mean I hate to like compare, right, Like comparison is a thief of joy. Yeah, I mean the one I keep thinking about is the one from the from the beach where everybody cheers on and it just gets to be the most bright thing in the sky. I don't know if you remember that one, but everybody looks and it just gets so bright and everybody screams and hollers, and like that experience itself was incredible. Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't. I'm not gonna sit

here and say it was the most successful SkyWatch. But what I really learned, and what was clearly observable to everybody there that the is that the experience the orb experience that you had directly correlated to the group energy. Yeah, and that brings me to another thing that I wanted to talk more about too, is like how how were the And you could talk about all three nights, You could talk about it in whatever order you want, it doesn't matter. But what I want to know is like,

how are the people reacting? I know, yeah, the crowd screaming and all that, but like on an individual level, what kind of things were people saying when they would

see these things? What was what was their reaction more than just like a ooh, you know, because there's always this moments where people will talk to us in between, right, So you know, I don't have a lot of things to say here, mainly just because I try to like stick to Chris, and that's just to help him with the camera and you know, like make sure he's taken care of, for lack of a better word, right, make sure everything goes smoothly and all that, because as soon

as you step away, everybody's wearing a black puffy coat with a hood on, and it's like, okay, whered Chris go I see. So not a lot of people sharing their intimate experiences with the orbs that we're currently seeing, but just you can feel the energy of how excited

people are. And then when it starts to fizzle out towards the end, especially the VIP skywatching, people are coming up to your dad and telling him how he's changed their life and this phenomenon has changed their life, and that they're writing a book about this, or they're researching this and this has been the most incredible experience they've ever had. That's I guess that's probably the best way to answer your question. Like, it doesn't really happen to me,

but I get to observe. Yeah, that's what I mean. Or it could. It doesn't even have to be the skywatches. It could be throughout the weekend. Yeah, I mean many you bring me to a wonderful point. So I want to talk about something I observe, but I just want to make sure that I hit all the points of this SkyWatch. But basically that's it. That wraps it all up. I think, Yeah, he stayed your dad was a trooper, especially he stayed out super late, but especially that night. Man,

I don't think we got home till about midnight. I think we probably left the property somewhere around eleven ish, you know, and I didn't really get settled in until about midnight and then yeah, I mean three days of just being one. But you know what I observed man in myself is that there was not a moment this entire weekend where I was clock watching other than you have to be on stage in five minutes, right right,

other than keeping track of time for that reason. And there was never like I was never comparing it to work. I was never like, oh my gosh, only five more hours of this, not a moment. The day went by so fair. It never gets like that. And I was so fulfilled. I was like personally so fulfilled the whole time.

And I've talked about this phenomenon before where you know, I wake up and I'm physically tired because I've been physically going, going, going, And then you talk to that first person and you are just filled with this energy and it just snowballs and you just like it's awesome. It's awesome. It's awesome, it's awesome, and then you're tired again at the end of it when you when you

separate from everybody. Yeah, but for me, the whole thing is just making sure you have the time to eat, get your coffee or whatever, and you're good to go. And it's not always easy to get away and eat, right. That's not a challenge for me. And that's why I was like the time when they were on stage, I was eating. I was cleaning up the booth, like, you know, these people don't understand. Like when my dad is in

in a booth selling books, it's like he's there. So let's say the conference starts at nine, right, he's there at eight, and he's talking to everybody in the lobby. He's sitting with him, like Alex said, he's sitting with everybody eating breakfast. And then they're there at the table and then until the thing is closed down and they're like, all right, the boots are done. The people at the conference, he's not stepping away except to use the bathroom a

couple of times, like pee or whatever. And you know he will not leave to eat. We don't do It's it's like a it's like a hound. Just he stays and stays and stays, and he'll spend thirty minutes talking to everyone and then his kids are like, Dad, you need to eat, you need to eat. It's it's crazy. Yeah, I want to share an experience. So this is night number two. We are invited to the to the mixer

right before the SkyWatch. In my head, I'm like, Chris needs to eat and he needs to sit down so that because he's getting ready to be out all night at the SkyWatch, right. So I'm like trying to make all this happen. But naturally we go to the mixer and then he's surrounded by people and like, just like you said, he won't pull himself away, right. So in my mind, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, I've got to get something to eat. The options are limited. There's only

a couple restaurants in the hotel. Like, I can't break away for this long, and I'm like, man, I've got to get him something to eat. I walk out the door. He's like right behind me. I just kind of walk out around behind him, and there's this woman there with a pizza box in her hand, and I hold the door up and for her and she's like, I'm trying to figure out what to do with I'm like, what's going on. She's like, Oh, I just I'm trying to

see if anybody wants the pizza. We didn't need all of it, I'll take hands And I'm like, sure, I'll take it. And so, dude, I get like half a pizza from these this wonderful woman I cannot remember her name, but the other woman that was with her was Jenna, and they were both like psychics. That was there. They had booths there, they were psychics, and I'm just like, this is how did I just manifest this pizza in like two seconds flat? Is wild to me? But anyway,

I get the pizza. I'm like, Chris, you want pizza. He's like, yeah, we started eating pizza. Man, it was awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, pizza fell out of thin air. Just yeah, here do you want to do you want to have a pizza? Like, yes, I do. That's really cool. But back to the I kind of derailed you a little bit,

but no, no, so what I what I observed? Yeah, Yeah, I'm actually excited to talk about this because it opens up the door for a lot and a lot of people came up and it told me about their personal experience, you know, and meeting a lot of people here that are extremely psychically gifted, Like everybody kind of has their own little niche and what they like to do. And you know, whether it's healing, or whether it's your readings, or whether it's past life or whatever, a ton of people.

What I observed was that all of these people had very intense eye color. Not that they all had one eye color, not that all their eyes were blue, or all their eyes were brown, or all their eyes were green, but if they were blue, they were an intense blue. If they were green, they were this intense vivid green. If they were brown, they were this intense vivid brown.

And I'm like, man, not that they were crazy eyes or anything, but like I just as I'm talking to people, I'm like, wow, all of these people have such such life behind their eyes, you know what I mean. It's very interesting thing that I don't know what the correlation is. I don't know what the science is, but all of these people who seem to be extremely awake or whatever however you want to label it, all had so much depth to their eye right, yeah, yeah, I know what

you means. You do. My father does pretty dim. I thought, well, I know, like a dark blue gray, but it's an intense I mean, if you think so, great, I'm not saying that they all were bright like neon blue green, but they were all like intense. They all had very vivid, intense eye color. And like, you know, this gentleman that I met told me about his experience, Joe, he did for sure, Dahlia does well. And he's, yeah, Dahlia does.

And he's explaining to me his experience like no one, you know, his family has a hard time believing him, and all the classic stuff, very relatable to your experience and your family's experience. And he's like, and my boys, my sons, they they are experiencing this stuff too. And I was like, do their eyes look like yours? And he's like, how'd you know? Wow? Is day two at this conference for me. I'm like, I'm starting to put

some puzzle pieces together. That's interesting, it is, And I don't know really thought about that, Like I noticed these, like the eye color on certain people and everything, but I've never really made the connection like that. Yeah, you know, like gray for you, that's not super popular. Yeah, I guess you know popular, I know what you mean. Yeah, they're like kind of a dark blue gray, like it's

not a popular eye color. Yeah, yeah, whereas my dad's are like bright blue, right, Yeah, I got dark beady little gray eyes. So oh, and Sarah Brestmann cosme she went to her thing. Wow, so your dad was doing God helmet. This is the third day your dad's doing God helmet. Which I didn't get to pick his brain about that, but he had an experience. And if you want me to explain what that is, I can explain what that is. That's up to you. So it's a device.

And I think so I met a gentleman named Trey Hudson who I think developed this or played a key part in developing this technology. But basically, the way he explained it to me was how Monroe bridges the hemispheres of your brain using audio sound. This bridges the hemispheres

of your brain. This helmet bridges the hemispheres of your brain using like electronic pulses or like it stimulates your brain physically in a way where these they merge like that the bridge, right, And he said, the way he explained it to me was like shooting off a flare into the ether like the other worlds saying hey, I'm here, and then they are able to recognize you and come

have a direct experience with you. So it's like an intense meditation aid or He also explained it to me like, if I'm with a group of people over here talking and I come in and I and I introduce myself to you, you and your group are more apt to come over and talk to me in my group because I've established this connection. That's how he explained it to me. So people put this on and have forty minutes of meditation using this helmet and apparently have an intense Monroe

esque psychic psychic experience. Yeah, so your dad's doing Monroe. And Emily was really interested in Sarah's talk, so she's like, I want to go to this. It was like okay, So we ended up doing a past life Sarah walked to everybody in the room through a past life progression. Yeah. Wow, that's interesting. I've never heard of a group when done like that. It was very, very interesting. I had a unique experience. I don't really I don't want to go into it really live on air. But Emily had a

wonderful experience. I'm sure many people in the room did. I don't want to drop too much. I encourage you to look into her, but I think there's some more to come, so I don't want to. I don't want to dive into it too deep. But that part was awesome and that was the only person that I got to watch out of the whole thing, which I was bummed because I wanted to go to Dahlia's sing and I wanted to do all of this other stuff. So you never got to see Dahia do her thing. No, dang,

that was gonna be my next question. I know I got to meet Lee do good. How was that? Did you also communicate with her at all? Not really? Yeah, when we got a high five and took a picture and like I chatted with her and she was hanging out with she had headphones on. Yeah, they came on and off. I think it was just depending on the

sound how loud it was. Yeah, got to take a picture with who she was hanging out with and her and then and then hung out with them and kind of walked around a little bit because I think that was also during the speaking engagements where I was taking a break, but got to got to meet her and that was just that was incredible. I'm sure that they'll be there in California. Yeah, and also at the side game, so you'll have plenty of opportunity to to speak more

with h with Dolia and Lee Doo. Yeah, I hope. So man, I got to meet Daly. I was like, hey, this is who I am, so nice to meet you. And then how was that? Well? That was it? I mean, like how how did she react? Like she's oh yeah, no, positively, like good, you know, putting putting faces to names and stuff and and voices voices to names right in our case. No, she's great, she's amazing, yeah, and wonderfully talented. And then her whoever she was working with at this conference, his

name was Alex. He was in my car on the ride from the airport, so I got to talk with him before I even got to the conference, so that was cool. And then I also noticed along with eye color, man, it's Chris is Alex's and Jay names. Oh yeah, that's it. I know. And I meet someone their names Chris, I meet someone their names Alex. I'm like, uh cool, this is all? This is so yeah, man, wow, I don't know.

It was awesome, like I I can't. I mean, everybody I met awesome, the whole conference awesome, the perfect first conference for me, I think, just the perfect size, the perfect vibe, the perfect everything. And now on to the next chapter. We're gonna be going to California for Contact in the Desert, and this time I will be going because it'll be, you know, basically two months after James was born. Ja name as opposed to you know, contact Motalities was only a few weeks. It was just too

soon and we're definitely not ready. But I'm looking forward to California. I think it'll be a really good experience. I'm kind of sad Jenny can't come, but it's just the way it is. I don't feel comfortable with my less than two month old baby, or just that two month old baby flying across the country and being around thousands of people. I just I feel really wrong about that, so I'm not I'm not having him there. Yeah, and you know it's gonna be awesome. I'm looking forward to it.

The SkyWatch, well, you know, you've done them with hundreds of people multiple times. I think you've done them with upwards of almost four hundred on the beach. Yeah, that was max with no infrastructure or framework. That was probably

the most hectic thing. So when we go to California last year's was almost a thousand people, and you know, talk about stress being in a crowd of almost a thousand people in the dark, and it's produced, by the way, you have a whole team of audio people there on behalf of the conference and they have chairs set out and it's like almost like you know, a sea of people all around you in all directions and you can't

see all them, but they can see you. And people are just free to walk up to you and snatch the mic or whatever. Because that happened last year, that won't be happening this year. Good, but that'll be The next thing is doing a SkyWatch with you know, upwards of a thousand people, assuming that it's the same number as last year. Yeah, and it'll be fun. It'll be exactly how it always is, which is it's gonna be great. Man. Yeah,

I'm so excited. I'm I'm I'm gonna save the anxiety for day off well, and I'm gonna be excited until then. The big thing is, like you go to Wisconsin in early May to late April. It's cold, you're in the Midwest, and now we're going to California in June at a resort with a pool, so it's gonna be a different vibe. Dude, we're gonna be in short swimming. Bro. They had a pool and I didn't didn't well, yeah it wasn't. It was indoor. But you don't have time at that one.

At this one, you'll have time. Cool, So can I give some shout outs real quick? Yeah? Please? And if I forget you and we had a good experience, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Quick, Kyle, Demi, Joe, PJ, Sarah. We'll end it there. I guess. I guess that's that the top of my head. Everybody I mentioned in the episode that got their shout out it was awesome. Yeah,

a wonderful time. I want to give it shout out to Jimmie Jimmy Church because I was sitting with my aunt, who I had mentioned earlier is dealing with stage four cancer, and she shows me her phone and says, hey, who is James Church? And I said why? Why do you want to know? She said, he's with your mom right now. He just donated five hundred dollars to my GoFundMe or

it was Vemo to my mom or something. So I wanted to give a shout out to him and a big thank you to Jimmy Church for doing that and that meant a lot to me and I'll never forget that for sure, In addition to all the other really kind stuff he's always done and been a friend to our family, I think that one hit the deepest. So that's if you wanted to know about his character. That was something he did and I really appreciated it. And

I'm glad that you got to meet Sarah. I didn't know she was even gonna be there, but when I was in Colorado back in January shooting with Gaya with Jimmy, you know, it was like for two days, he and I just ate together at the hotel basically, and then you know, we would go film and he talked about her quite a bit and as someone that I need to meet. So I think it's funny that you come home and you're just like, oh my god, this is

my buddy. We flew home on the same flight and I see her joining the Discord and I'm like, whoa. They must have really hit it off. But I knew who she was because Jimmy was telling me all about her in Colorado, so she was really awesome. Yeah. Yeah, they do esoteric tourist together, like in Egypt and all that. Oh yeah, I know that's cool. So anyway, I'm glad you had fun. I'm looking forward to the next one. It's just in what three weeks. Yeah, we're going to

coming up. Man, three weeks, we're flying together. I'm excited to meet some more people. And yeah, I'm so happy to be back in the studio. Dude. Good. It'll be a lot more people. It's going to be about ten times the amount of people at that conference, and about ten times the booths, if not more. It's gonna be like, okay, as many boots as you saw at this conference. Keep in mind, this is only the second year they're running. It's still expanding. Yeah, Contacting the Desert is shut up.

Shout out Mal, Yes, shot out Mal. She's wonderful, so wonderful, so lovely. But you know, it's growing. It's the second year. It has a lot of promise. It's an amazing conference, the management and you know, it's just wonderful people, very kind to our family. And then you go to Contact the Desert And I'm not comparing the two by any means. I'm just saying, you know, because we're going to it in three weeks, it's just what we're doing, and it's on my mind, is all. It's it's a lot bigger

because it's more established. Just wait till you see the booths. It's going to be like a highway of booths. It's insane. It's insane, and then you know it'll be fun. I'm glad you enjoyed contact mentalities. I hope to be invited back next year and I would love to actually be there next time. Al Aaron and Hailey. And now I said my piece, all right, and that's it. He said his piece. Bye, guys. Weird things happened in the backyard to let the house, the garden, to let the houses.

So weird, weird, no weird. Wow,