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237: Egregores

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Ryan and Alex explore the overlap between consciousness and unseen intelligences, digging into thought forms, disembodied entities, and tulpas, ideas that suggest the mind may help create or shape non-physical realities. Drawing on Rupert Sheldrake’s theory of morphic resonance, they discuss whether reality itself has memory, and whether belief, attention, and pattern play a role in encounters with the unknown.

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Speaker 1

Weird things happened in the back.

Speaker 2

Weird weird.

Speaker 1

Welcome to Bloods, So said, So, you guys, I hope you have had a lovely week, and I hope that this episode makes it even lovelier. Before we get into tonight's topic, I just want to go down the line and talk about the things that Alex makes me talk about. Sorry to throw you under the bus, Alex, but just to stay in touch with the things that we've got going on, always check our Instagram, bloods have said, So

pretty soon you're gonna start seeing some movement there. And in a few minutes, I'm also going to elaborate on this a little bit, but there is a Commends coming up. So you guys are always asking when's the next SkyWatch? When's the next SkyWatch? Well it's coming pretty soon. Actually it's going to be in May at a conference in Wisconsin.

So I'll save that for just a moment. Check our Instagram for public skywatches, for our conference schedules, any events that we're doing, social media clips, everything related to the podcast just Bledso said so on Instagram. Don't miss it. If you watch the show, you got to be following us on there to stay current check out our website bledsosaid so dot com so that you can pretty much have access to all of our links, all of our portals, all of our merch which is a great way to

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this up. So we're talking May first through the third. It is the second Annual Contact Modalities Conference. This is a very exciting conference. To me, it's kind of nostalgic because it's the first conference that I was ever a part of. My dad is going to be there, my sister, my brother Chris Junior. I will not be able to make it, unfortunately, because I will have a brand new, freshly delivered to earth, newborn baby who hopefully looks like me.

Alex will be there in my stead representing the podcast. So you have my dad, my sister, my brother, and Alex on behalf of Blacks said. So also exciting because Alex's first conference, so he gets that experience. Woo woo. It's gonna be a great conference. It's going to be just like last year, but no doubt better because it was very successful last year and I know that it was just a great time and the people there had a blast, and I think overall it was very successful.

So this year they're coming back with a vengeance. There's going to be like, I think it's even more this time. Yeah, thirty different presenters. There's gonna be four stages running simultaneously with things ranging from again soundbaths, different contact modalities like things using psychedelics, skywatching, kind of activities with my dad, there's going to be three public skywatches this time. Last year there was one, so you know they're packing heat

this time. There's gonna be a lot of really cool presenters like some of the ones that I'm most excited for you guys to see in person are doctor Diane Hennessy Powell. I'm a big fan of hers, and my good and close personal friend who is a lovely human being, Dahlia and her daughter who you probably all know and love lee to, and many many more experiencers, presenters, experts, and researchers will be there showing off their trade. So go to Contact Modalities. Let me get the website there.

Speaker 2

Alex Contact Modalities xpo dot com.

Speaker 1

There you go, bang check them out. I promise you guys that just for an all around good time studying and exploring things in the space, this will be well worth the visit and if anything, for a loan. It's an amazing location and a beautiful resort. I really wish I could be there. I really regret that I can't, so you guys will have to accept Alex as my doppelganger. But I really had a good time there. It was really a great vibe. The resort is outstanding. So it's

in Delavan, Wisconsin, May first through the third, right, right, Okay, correct? Cool. Thank you to Contact Modalities for sponsoring this episode of the show tonight. I wanted to talk to you guys about Egregors and I've more or less been pulling in invisible thread and eger Gores is something that I felt was important going into the next topic, which is going

to be next weeks. But before I really go into next week's topic, I think the subject of eager goers is very important as well, not just because of that, but just in general understanding the way the world works and how reality works. So when you think of the universe, or at least when I do, I can't speak for you or anyone else, but I can speak for me. I have come to understand that the way that it works is that there is a single point of consciousness

that emanates all things. That it's God for lack of better words, that it's the original primordial consciousness that for whatever reason, thought everything into being because it had moments of inner reflection. Now there's all kinds of different parables and allegories and mythologies that talk about why this happened or how this happened. I really think that it's important to look at the similarities between them and understand maybe specifically,

this part might not be true. This part is true, But the point is there's something to this that is true because thousands upon thousands of years ago, there were so many traditions saying the same thing at a time when cultures weren't okay, Like, for example, how is it possible that two or three thousand years ago in Mexico they were saying the same or very similar things two

people into bed or Egypt. Probably because there's a truth to what they were all saying, and there's a correspondence there. And the fact I believe is that they were in communication with something that was giving them information or wisdom. Perhaps that was higher beings. I don't know. That's not

the point I'm trying to make. Perhaps they were all going through varying degrees of spiritual initiation where they were then able to travel psychic realms and receive higher knowledge, maybe through dreams, through out of body travel, through downloads, maybe a mix of all of it is true. Maybe perhaps the information is the same, and these different continents in different cultures thousands of years ago before there was internet or easy ways to go between these lamb asses.

Maybe there is truth to the idea that there was an original, pre flood advanced civilization, that somehow elements of this survived and spread to the corners of the earth and took knowledge from the spiritual tradition there, and it survived and took on the flavors, so to speak, of the surrounding culture over time, and the mythologies grew, and it became distilled and sort of watered down. And now we have exoteric versions of these things. So I'm talking

about like Atlantis or maybe even Themurria. Maybe elements of all of these things are true, or maybe some of them are true, but there's something to it, right. So anyway, a lot of these traditions, like if you think of Platonic thought, gnosticism, which has very clear connections to ancient Egypt, the Templar knights, the rosa Crusians, the Freemasons, probably most importantly in my opinion, Hermetic philosophy, alchemy, Kabbala, Tibetan Buddhism,

the Persian uh you could say, Zoroastrian thought. And there's probably some that I can't even think of. At the moment it goes on and on, I'm sure, But there were all of these different traditions that were sort of insinuating the same thing, which is that there's this primordial being that, oh, how could I forget the bagavad Gita Hinduism, Oh, the symbol that you vibrates the universe into being from Brahma, the supreme consciousness. So this is like a universal concept

that has been around. This isn't a new age thing, This isn't something that just popped about of thin air. As a matter of fact, at one point, this was sort of the dominant view by a lot of different cultures, maybe until around the Church came around and started adding certain doctrines to thing, which became the dominant viewpoint of

the last two thousand years. But before this, this was pretty decently accepted by many that the universe has emanated into being by one consciousness, that there exists many realms of psychic phenomenon that basically maneuver through these planes at will, and it's a spectrum of existence, and the sense that if you think about human life, where we are on the spectrum, we are somewhere in the middle, where we're at the crossing place between the lower worlds and the

higher worlds. You can think about the symbol of a cross, right, the cross has been around for many thousands of years, even before Jesus was crucified on the cross. I'm not making an opinion either way about that. I'm just saying that this is a symbol that has been around for

a long time that might have deeper meaning. And some would say, like if you observe the Rosicrucion system, for example, which is really really old and very much does claim to have existed since before Christian tradition, that the cross symbolizes the interplay between the worlds of spirit and matter.

That's why it's like there's the vertical line or the y axis on a graph, and then there's the horizontal line or like the x axis, the horizontal being the physical plane and the vertical being the spiritual plane, and that human life, human existence is somewhere as like a hybrid between those two worlds, that we exist in the crossing place between the world of spirit and the world of matter. That's why humans are the apex of earth life. We have things with them in our consciousness that is

not possible in things like animals, minerals, and plants. Not saying we're better than them. I'm just saying, as far as evolution goes, we can do things like sit around and talk on camera about philosophical traditions just for fun, just to kill time. Dogs can't do that. Cats can't do that, birds can't do that. Nobody's disputing this, you know what I mean, we are the apex of life here.

So what's so special about humans? Well, because we tread both worlds, because we tread the physical and the spiritual, or the psychic and the material. Right, So in all these traditions, it was said that thoughts are things that thoughts when you think thoughts, that you are actually creating a vibratory effect upon the world that you cannot observe with the five physical senses, because you have an extra sensory perception beyond the ordinary five physical senses. That you

could think of it as your aura. You could think of it as your third eye, your second site, your clairvoyance. It doesn't matter. They're all similar things, you know what I mean, your psychic senses, or you could say, like your spiritual organs. You have faculties about your being that

are able to perceive non physical phenomenon. So when you get into mystical and esoteric tradition and you begin to come into contact with these paths and walk along this on a journey of trying to explore it, what it means, peel back the layers of secrecy and mysticism, and more or less begin to embody the teachings. A book that

I will say last week, I had a dream. And when I was a child, I would read I was a big nerd, like and still in you know, you don't really shake those allegations, but it's just a fact, man.

And when I was a kid, I would I would read like crazy, and like I literally would not not all the time, not every book, but for sure there were many books that I would just sit down and I would just I would read it like in one sitting even or like, uh, you know, maybe in two days, three days, like big books like four hundred seven hundred page books. I would just read, read, read, read, read, like I had this intense level of focus and I would just blast through them and onto the next one,

onto the next one. I loved books, and when I became an adult, just the rat race of life that kind of fell away from me, and uh, you know, I don't really read books anymore. And long story short, I had a dream last week that I sat down and I read a book and I woke up and I was like, I want to start reading again. What do I read? And I was like, oh, I know what I want to read Rudolf Steiner. So I read Through the Way of Initiation by Rudolf Steiner. It's a

very short read. I did the audio book, which took me about three hours because I like to do things. I like to multitask. I like to you know, listen to things and then do whatever it is I do. And that book really inspired me. Ironically, I had already decided that I was going to talk about this subject, but then this book kind of came into my lap after this dream and I read it and it was like perfectly on target with a lot of the things

that I was going to discuss here. Now. Rudolph Steiner is so important because he was connected to several traditions and even created one of his own, called anthroposophy. And the thing about Rudolph Steiner is that he was believed by many to sort of be an authority on these things.

Like you know, the Rosicrucian tradition in the sense that he was giving the information to the public in an easily digestible way without you spending a lifetime going down the path yourself and having to go through veils of secrecy and ritual initiations to have knowledge revealed to you.

He was just giving it. So reading Rudolph Steiner by many is considered about the closest that you could get to the information concealed by the Rosicrucians throughout the ages without actually being a part of a tradition or a lodge or self. So understand that when you read Rudolph Steiner, you're not just reading someone's opinion, but what you're reading is an embodiment of a several thousand year old tradition that's being dispensed in book form, which is very valuable,

at least to me. Somebody likes to read books. So in this book, I found it very profound that right off in the beginning it talks about one of the very most important faculties of someone on the path of initiation. So I think it was I can't remember the exact terminology. You're not an initiate until you more or less gone through the process, which is sort of what we talked

about last week, right. But whatever the term is, whether it's you know, novice or you know, just someone who's on the path, right, you're seeking the knowledge, you're seeking the revelation. There comes to be this this theme of like, why is nobody out there talking about this? Why isn't this information public? Why don't we just you know, why is it you google freemasonry or you google resecrusion or whatever, and you can't just read everything you want to know?

Why is your secrecy? I used to think this way, that's why I know this all too well? And then of course your mind goes to places like, well, it's demonic, it's devilish, it's it's satanic. They're worship in the devil. And there's these layers of unknown that you have when you approach these subjects because you're not a part of them and you don't understand what it is that they're

talking about in secret. That's that's one narrative. And as you go through layers of gaining knowledge and receiving wisdom from reaching higher levels of you could say, awareness or having major epiphanies, which could also be understood as complete and total reality shifting realizations about certain things. You realize that there are multidimensional layers of narrative to truth to

this information. So on one narrative, and this is just for an example, it's kind of a tangent, but just like to illustrate, on one narrative, you have the Book of Genesis, and most of us, if we grew up Christian, we grew up being taught that, you know, the serpent is the devil, and that it went to the garden of Eden and it tricked Adam and Eve and it led them astray and made them disobey God. And it's just that the serpent is the devil at symbolism. That's

that's the that's one layer of narrative. And then you go through to the next level of narrative, which is, well,

you know, I've learned about this gnosticism stuff. You know, you go through and you learn, okay, well, maybe the serpent is just symbolism for truth or higher knowledge or transformation, and that maybe the story of Adam and Eve is an allegory about our fall into materiality, and you know, it's just that's that's a very like kind of brief example, but there's multiple layers of narrative that you have to kind of peel back as you approach these subjects, and

you begin to realize that a lot of the information discussed in these traditions is not physical, that it is something that can own be sensed with the psychic senses, that the way of initiation is unlocked as you go through the inner journey of reaching higher levels of consciousness, that it is a lifestyle, which I'm going to talk a lot more about next week, because that's the whole

subject of next week's episode. But I'm getting somewhere. So you realize that a lot of the information contained therein and the symbolism is representative of certain invisible concepts, and a lot of these concepts and these traditions that are supposed to be explored through the unfoldment of the psychic senses as you go down this path of evolution is that your thoughts are things, and that first and foremost when you begin this path, you have to realize that

because you are made in the image of God, that because you are a fractal piece of the infinite mind that thought everything into existence, that your thoughts have power that your thoughts create, and that they create force and

motion and the invisible world of the spirit. So when you when you realize this, you realize that a part of the journey or the spiritual the true spiritual path, is that you have to become aware of your thoughts and then you have to begin to self regulate, and then you have to think about beginning to master your thoughts, because if your thoughts are so powerful, your negative thoughts can cause great destruction. And it's not necessarily in a

way that you can see. It's it's not like Harry Potter or you know, uh, Charles Xavier, where you think a thought and then you know, someone collapses. It's not like that, but it's more subtle. It exists in the realm of causality that cause an effect on the world. And you have to think about the world as you could think about it like a hologram when you think of the all seeing eye on you know, the dollar bill,

or it's popularly known as on the dollar bill. Well you probably know this by now that a lot of the Founding fathers were either Freemasons or Rosicrucians, and they had an understanding of this symbolism and everybody. I am guilty of this myself. At one point it's like, oh, the eye is the all seeing eye of Lucifer. It's the eye of the devil. That's not true. What it is is the eye of God. That it is the

witness consciousness. Witness consciousness means when you Alex the guy on your driver's license, when you're sitting still or walking or doing anything, and you have a thought, Oh, I got to pay my taxes. Oh I got to take the trash out. Oh I got to walk the dog. Oh I got to feed the baby. You're thinking, you're thinking, you're thinking, You're always thinking, I'm always thinking. We're constantly thinking.

There's somebody beneath all of those active thoughts. There is an aspect of our consciousness that maybe we could understand as the subconscious. But there is a part of our consciousness that is silently observing everything, and it is connected to everything, and it could be understood as God being the all seeing eye that witnesses everything in all of creation.

And that part of yourself is connected to the higher spiritual worlds and the physical world, and it is somehow ingrained in your psyche to be simultaneously aware of everything in your environment. So it's like you are a fractal hologram where you are rendering reality in the neurons and the nervous system of the body and in the brain, but you are also a conduit for consciousness coming from a higher spiritual plane, So you're existing in both worlds,

your physical and your spiritual at the same time. So the external world around you is being manifested from your thought, from your witness, consciousness, from the aspect of your being that is connected to everything, and that's kind of like part of the reason you know meditation and spiritual practice and things like that are good because you come more into contact with this part of yourself, right, But that's

another subject. So you're connected to higher worlds in the realm of thought and in psychic phenomenon, so you're rendering reality from within. It's a two way hologram. So the things in the external world are a product of your internal environment, and they have a reciprocal effect on one another.

So in the sense that things outside of you can be traumatic and they can cause harm to your psyche, but also things are being manifested from your psyche the sense that your behavior is a reflection of that right. So your inner state of being, your subconscious, your your emotions, which is kind of like a deep watery layer beneath the conscious mind that all informs your conscious behavior. So step one on this on this path is to begin to you know, be aware of your thoughts, because your

thoughts have a vibratory effect. So for this reason, I wanted to talk about egre goards, So Egogres. It's a credible intro. Oh, as you said, ten minute intro.

Speaker 2

No, no, no, no, just I think it's funny. God, I'm like sitting here, I'm really enjoying listening to you talk. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, are you here to talk about request?

Speaker 1

Sorry. Somebody once told me that in order to receive the power from the universe or God, which is your birthright, you have to have the right heart. You have to be humble, you have to be loving, you have to be full of joy. And I do believe that to be true because it's like, dude, a toddler, right, A toddler is emotional, moody, dramatic. They can't regulate. You wouldn't give them access to a nuclear bomb or a gun

or a knife or something. You wouldn't give them something that has the ability to cause devastation because they don't have the nuance to wield it without harming people. Right, And in the same sense, that is the unfoldment of your psychic senses as well. It's a mechanism that is built into our fundamental makeup that in order to go down this path of spiritual initiation, we have to truly grow, we have to evolve, We have to lighten our heart.

And as we begin to be aware of our thoughts and regulate our thoughts and how we think towards others and treat others. Before we do that, before we walk down that path, that doorway to the temple of psychic wisdom will never be opened. It won't be open to us. And then, of course there's another conversation, which is that there are dark paths to do similar things.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 1

Of course, there's like dark magic and stuff like that, but those always have repercussions and they never go well for people. So we're not going to talk about those things. But the true path, or what I like to call the way next week's episode, you know, Step one is becoming aware of your thoughts and The eventual realization is to master the world, you have to master your thoughts, right. You have to begin to think more positive, more kind.

We're loving, more humble because in the psychic world and the invisible dimension, there exist thought forms. Because when you begin to think, whether it's positive or negative, you are creating a charge that is either feeding or creating thought

forms or what could be known as egregors. There exists a whole dimension around us of thought, and there are more or less beings that have even in some cases achieved their own personality and their own will, and things like fear and suffering and strife is like being siphoned to give them sustenance so that they continue to operate in that dimension. And then there are good ones too, good good thought forms that we can be connected to

that can more or less benefit us. And then there are other thought forms like the United States of America or Christianity or Japan, you know what I mean. There are egregors that exist at many different levels of existence, basically levels of scale magnitude. Were you gonna say something, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2

Was singing along the levels of scale, you know, like kleenex, you know, or like I mean, we're kind of getting into brand and brand image, but it's it's kind of the same or like last week, I think I said Nike, you know, Yeah, it's just smaller portions of what you're saying. Yeah, maybe that makes it easier for someone to wrap their mind around. Maybe not.

Speaker 1

I don't know, well maybe, but you know, the more I think about it, those are probably more like sigils. They could be thought forms too. I don't know. That's just my take, but yeah, So I want to talk about morphic residence for a little bit. There's this brilliant scientist named Rupert Sheldrake who is still alive today, and

he has this brilliant theory of morphogenetic resonance. And the idea is that in the let's think about like, there's different dimensions of existence, right, This is the dimension of effect. Things just happen here, they come into being, but there's another layer or realm where things are being formed into being or it's causal, so you have the cause and effect, right, So he talks about the morphic field, which is a plane of a plane of phenomenon where things are being

morphed into structure. And he initially began talking about this in the sense of like biology and epigenetics and DNA, but over time he came to find that this was true also in like psychology sociology, you know, bigger fields of focus, like not just the human body, but human behavior.

You know what I mean, It's the whole hundredth monkey thing where you know, monkeys have not been able to use tools forever and ever and ever, and then one monkey finally figures it out how to use a spoon, and then monkeys start popping up all over the world how to do it. There's some sort of plane of causation that holds memory that whenever things are achieved or formed,

it becomes repeated and repeated and repeated. So a morphic field is an invisible organizing field that shapes the form, structure, and behavior of self organizing systems, from atoms and crystals to cells, organs, organisms, animal groups, societies, and even mental habits. These fields are non physical, like gravitational or electromagnetic fields, but informational and memory based, and exist within and around

the systems they influence. They guide morphogenesis, or the coming into being of form, explaining why embryos develop specific shapes despite ideas, genes and all cells. Unlike the rigid laws of nature, morphic filled or habits patterns strengthened by repetition over time. The key process is morphic resonance past similar patterns, which form behaviors and instinct They resonate with and influence

current similar ones across time and space. The more a pattern has occurred historically, the stronger easier it becomes for it to recur, even in isolated new instances. So, as I said, over time, his view was strictly on biology, which then morphed to be behavioral, social, social, cultural, and mental levels. So the idea is that there is some plane of existence that is influencing the physical world that's

being discussed from a scientific view. And the idea is that, like you know this, this actually happened, that there was this maze that was unsolvable by mice or rats, and it was a very challenging one. And then once one of them solved it, all over the world different in different places, they kept solving it. They kept solving it. Or the sense that you know the four minute mile.

Nobody could beat the four minute mile, and then somebody beat the four minute mile, and now all of a sudden, it's just under four minutes, and it keeps getting beaten and beaten and beaten and beaten. So there's this this this realm of causality that is somehow connected to our

social collective unconscious that is influencing human behavior. That what I'm trying to say is that there is a measurable field, there's a perceivable field where we are all somehow connected by some entangled force that influences our genetic structure and our cells and even you know, our thoughts and our conscious behavior. Animal learning, like I said, Matt, rats learning

mazes quicker, that's actually true. Rupert shell Drake experimented with rats, improved this that once one rat could do it all over the world, they could, they could start to do it, and more would do it. Crystal formation, new crystal compounds were found to form faster once the structure was created, so they would, like I guess, experiment with new crystaline form formations and then they would start popping up in

different places. Birds flocking dogs knowing when their owners return, there's can we pull that back?

Speaker 2

So they're creating their man is creating crystal structures in a lab that don't exist, and then they begin to pop up naturally.

Speaker 1

I guess I didn't look too deeply into that, but that's that's what it is suggesting. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean it's all crazy, but that specifically. And then obviously, and I know somebody, my friend Archie from the Minroe's too, and the one who one of the ones who trained me to become an outreach trainer, he personally told me about something he did, but also that it's been experimented

with at large. Uh, the idea of influencing the field of perception where you're out in public and you try to get someone to notice you and they turn to notice you. That's a phenomenon too, or would this be.

Speaker 2

The same of like, you know, you get a new car, so you start seeing that car everywhere? Or do you think that's more of like a human thing?

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's like they also call that like the blue paper clip, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean it's different scales. But I'm trying to think is it connected or not.

Speaker 1

I mean, i mean, I'm sure it's connected in some way, but that's that's kind of different. That's like once you once you bring something into your awareness, you begin to notice it like, for example, Jenny and I bought a Kia last weekend. Now I feel like I'm seeing Kia Telly rides everywhere, or in the weeks leading up to buy one, I feel like I saw them everywhere, right, because I'm paying attention.

Speaker 2

But is it Maybe it's with the crystal line structures and all these things you're talking about, once it becomes observed by the observer, the all seeing eye, that it then is possible or observed more or I don't know. Maybe I'm just confusing myself.

Speaker 1

I don't know. But the point I was trying to make there is that there's some sort of intelligence field where things are intrinsically connected behind the physical world that is influencing patterns. Obviously, we've known that there is a spiritual dimension, and I think that modern science is beginning to approach this through its own lens, and it's beginning

to observe this and make contact with this. And I think in the future that we're headed that you know, it's it's going to continue to progress where you know, modern science is going to be rapidly discovering evidence of where a mortal consciousness we can leave the body there. I've seen multiple times in the past six months. There's things popping up where like people are beginning to communicate in dreams and they're proving it all kinds of weird

stuff as possible. You know, time it's based aren't so relevant when you look at you know, the big scheme of things. It's relevant to us because it's our perspective, like the blue paper clip thing. So egregors what are egregers? Right? Why did I want to talk about this? They are non physical entities or autonomous thought forms, like a group mind or collective psychic presence that emerges from the shared thoughts, emotions, beliefs,

and intentions of a group of people. Once formed, it can take on a life of its own, influencing the group that created it, gaining independence, and even persisting after the original members separate. It acts like a psychic organism or an artificial group's soul. The term comes from the Greek e gregoros, meaning wakeful or watcher, linked to the idea of vigilant guardian entities. Some trace it back to references in the Book of Enoch for watchers or fallen angels,

though the modern occult usage is more recent. French occultists in the late nineteenth early twentieth century popularized it in groups like the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn or a Lifeus Levi's Circles, and a gain traction to twentieth century magical orders like Rosicrucianism, Theosophy, and especially Chaos Magic. How Egregor's form and work, it is a collective focus. The group is directing some sort of sustained attention, emotion,

ritual or belief that could be you know. In other words, you don't have to be aware of the thing for it to be a thing, you know what I mean. So like a group belief, even toward a shared idea or a symbol. There's your Nike or your Kleenex. An archetype like a magical lodge, a religion, a fandom, a

political movement, a meme, a corporation's brand spirit. It begins feeding on and being sustained by the collective energy and can start influencing members back, like reinforcing beliefs, inspiring actions, and creating synchronicities. Some egregers outlive their creators, like national identities. You can think like Jesus Christ, Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, Yeah, Pop culture, figures turned deities in chaos magic. They're not

necessarily inherently good or evil. It depends on the group's intent and emotional quality. A loving spiritual community might create a protective benign one, or a fear based or hateful group could birth, you know, parasitic and evil controlling entities, which is certain the case in the world. And then there's another phenomenon which I'm not going to spend too much time on, but it's known as a tulpa, which is like another level of this. Are you familiar with toulpus.

Speaker 2

Only that it's been mentioned on the show once before at least at least yeah, So a tulpa refers to a sentient thought form, which is what I was talking about earlier.

Speaker 1

Sometimes they can gain their own will, like think like a demonic spirit. Love crafting doesn't have to be could be a demon or an angel okay, you know? Okay, an autonomous mental entity deliberately created through focused intention, visualization, meditation, and sustained mental effort. It's one of the most direct personal examples of a thought form in practice. The term

comes from the Tibetan Buddhism. I don't know how to pronounce this, but I'll try sproolpa meaning emanation, manifestation or phantom, and vadrayana traditions. Advanced practitioners could create illusory or emanated beings or objects through intense concentration, often as tools for

teaching or protection or testing the illusion of reality. There is a book that when I was researching this subject of Egregores, this kept popping up that there was someone named Alexandra David Neil who in nineteen twenty nine she wrote a book called Magic and Mystery in Tibet. She actually went to Tibet and claimed to have come in contact with the tulpa that was created to have the

identity of being like a jolly monk figure. But allegedly the story goes that over time the tulpa became rebellious and became a menace, and it was like they were trying to figure out how to dissolve it. And then so there was even another layer onto that which I'm not even going to really talk about, which is golums, which in certain forms of esoteric judy is they believe in the concept of taking a thought form or a spirit and binding it to a physical object and creating

a golum. So there's all kinds of pop culture around this, but not going to focus on that, right, I don't want to talk about dark stuff. So anyway, thought forms, egregors. I wanted to talk about egregers because I think it's important going into next week conversation, the idea that we are multi dimensional beings existing on many different layers of consciousness simultaneously. That we're here in the physical world, but then we also exist in the spiritual world. So step

one of the initiatory path. When I say the initiatory path, I mean you are going on the journey of spiritual enlightenment. You are seeking transformation from the inside. I think in some way, everyone is seeking to become a part of something bigger than themselves. Everyone is, well, what if they're an atheist and they don't believe in God. Okay, well they're connected to atheism. They're connecting themselves to a tradition that is denying tradition. Oh well I believe in science.

Well there you go, right there, You're connected to a social construct that says the only observable or excuse me, the only phenomenon that is verifiably true has to be observable by scientific methods, and some sort of hierarchical authority figure is telling you that it exists because it's peer reviewed or whatever. That's that in its own and its own right is an egregor or you know, a political movement.

Everybody is seeking connection to something, and I see it as there's this dimension of so many different thought form entities that are attaching themselves. Actually, I, you know, weirdly enough, two weeks ago, I was laying in bed and I I kind of have it's really weird to talk about, to be honest, but I talk about a lot of weird things. I sometimes now, after having gone through the Gateway voyage and have come home and like more or less opened the psychic faculties, I'll be laying there in

bed or otherwise sometimes and I'll just like spontaneous. I just call them psychic experiences because I really am at a loss of words of how to describe them. And sometimes it's out of body, sometimes it's not. But it's like my vision even when my eyes closed, it's like my inner vision fades and it's completely replaced by something else. And I know it's a complete difference between my thoughts or because it's like, you know, some sort of visual

movie is being shown to me. It's very weird. Can't explain it. But sometimes things happen to me now and messages come through. And I was laying there and this this image started coming through to me and it was like I was being vividly shown that there are so many wicked people in this world who walk around daily life and they can't even see it, but there's like a dark shadow attached to them, feasting on them, and

it's whispering into their ear and it's perverting them. And I think that is the case of the modern world, that there's so many people that are led astray by dark spirits, by thought forms. But and you know, and I think that manifested in a number of ways, and that could be uh, you know, I guess I'll just say it, you know, being radicalized on the Internet. There's a lot of people out there that are just letting themselves be deranged by people online on forums or you know,

and in watching movies or listening to music. I think in a lot of people this happens because of music that they listen to. And there's people connected to certain energy fields that are weakening their spiritual perception and their spiritual senses, so.

Speaker 2

Almost unknowingly getting involved with an eagle gore.

Speaker 1

Yes, and I say this time and time again that the true Satanic path is not about worshiping Satan. It's not about going to some secret coven of witches or people who claim to be vampires or anything like that and seeking connection with the dark force. That does happen, that does exist. But I think the true path is in most people. They're blind by illusion, they have lost touch with the spirit world, and they are revolted by the idea of some sort of christ like ideal. There

are many people in this world who hate Christ. They hate just the very idea that you somehow got to work on yourself, that you have to be a better person. And that's why next week. I know, I keep talking about next week's episode, but I did tell you guys in the beginning that this one is to really set

the stage for that one. But I think that it goes so much beyond that, and that this is a universal truth, that a fundamental part of our existence here very much depends on how we evolve, that this silly little human life that we live. And no I don't believe we're trapped on a prison planet. I don't believe. I think I think that we're in hell, but that's an allegory and it's not literal. That we're not, you know, being punished, but that the truth is. Remember we talked

about multi dimensional layers of narrative to truth. I believe somewhere at the highest layer, the truth is that we come here to grow, that there's an immortal part of ourselves that always exists at the source of all creation

with God. But time and space aren't linear. So every possibility of every lifetime that you've ever lived and will live has already happened, and it's happening simultaneously, all at once, and they're all connected to each other, which is why a lot of people they have past life aggressions and the thing in their past life is so related to what they're dealing with now because there's a connection between

all lives. It's an evolutionary path. There is a natural involution and evolution, meaning there was this impulse from the spiritual world to form into being, and then there's the the or I guess that would be evolution, and then there's the evolution, which is the return, so it's like we're evolving back up. So I guess the point I'm trying to make there is that the reason we're here is to remember why we're here. It's to evolve so

that we can return home. And we go through many, many lifetimes asleep and unaware of this, just automatically going through what life throws at us, until at one of those maybe thousands or millions, I don't know how long the earth has been here. They say one thing, they say another, I don't really know, but it's a long time, right.

We go through all of those lives until finally, in one of them, we realize the point of it, which is our true nature, which is we're divine, We're immortal, We're the children of God metaphorically speaking in the sense that the divine spiritual forces coalesced to form us into being, and we're a part of that. Just like your DNA from your parents is within you. You are equally part of your mother and your father, and it works the same way that the divine forces are a part of us.

And I do suspect that that is in our DNA as well, and that will also be discovered. I think that we have actual genetic markers that come from that have special properties. And there's all kinds of symbolism about this with you know, the DNA helix patterns and whatnot. But you know, so our thoughts matter. They're very powerful, and it's very powerful what we tune our thoughts to.

Why it does matter what we believe, because what we believe shapes our behavior, it shapes the outcomes around us, because more or less the forces, or maybe I should say the groups and the ideologies and the philosophies that we cling to, we are more or less inviting the forces of psychic phenomenon in an invisible dimension that attach to us and influence and affect us and feast or

nourish us. So I think it's very important to remember that truth is universal, that it's not necessarily about what you acknowledge to be true to be for it to be true, That it's not about what you believe for it to be true. But it is about objectively good

and evil forces in the universe. So there is a delineation between, you know, the good path and the bad path, and it's important to be choosing to be a part of good, of the good path, of the spiritual path of what I like to call the Way, because there are thought forms that exist that are very real, and there are phenomenon that pass through worlds that we can see on the visible spectrum, like the Lady and like beings of light, and you could say, like like terif Him,

like archangel type beings that are so powerful that they can just fully walk between worlds and we can witness them with our physical senses. And that's a very rare special kind of thing. That's a very rare special being.

And there are any scales and orders of beings, right, But yeah, I don't know, I don't really know where to go from there, other than I wanted to talk about the concept of egogers and thought forms and why it's so important for us to be aware of our thoughts because we have to remember that thoughts are things, and that thoughts are very real and in many cases very much entities that and their own existence can have, you know, thoughts and feelings and desires and want to

feast on you and attach to you or help you and lift you up. Like for example, someone who says, uh, oh, well, you know, they wear the pentagrams and they're like the upside down pentagrams and they're like, you know, the Satanic Temple. They don't really worship Satan. It's just like an atheist political movement. And you know, YadA YadA YadA, that on one level is true. And I'm not going to get all into the dark messing about how that's actually, you know,

really not true. And there's a much darker undercurrent there and people in that are involved with other things too. But the point I'm trying to make is like people fool themselves and they attached to things because they think there's no deeper meaning or power behind it, or like politics. Right,

that's a big one. That's really also another one of the main reasons I wanted to talk about this, because people are hypnotized by this what I believe is truly an evil, psychic parasite that calls itself you know, Republican or Democrat. It looked like you had something you wanted to say a second ago, or were you just taking

a deep breath. No, No, I was going to say, you know, monitor your thoughts or be conscious of your thoughts, because you are more than likely either becoming attached to an ingogoor or contributing.

Speaker 2

To an ingogo or whether you realize you're doing it or not.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's all. Yeah, yeah, I fully agree that That's kind of the point I'm trying to make of this, is like we know that certain very high emotional states cause different brainwave patterns. We also know that brain wave

patterns can be remotely affected through entrainment, through resonance. I know because of my experience with the minros Tuo and everything that they've taught me, that even just hearing sounds can cause your brain to shift into higher states of consciousness, and it can cause the hemispheres of your brain to actually become perfectly synchronized through the corpus calusm, this thin little string, this flesh string that connects the left and

right hemispheres of the brain. And you always hear like, oh, women can multitask better than men, you know, like they have the baby on one arm, they're cooking, they're on the phone, you know, doing something. And it's true, it absolutely is scientifically true, because they have thicker corpus calusims than man. That's just the fun fact I learned in

my psychology studies university. But this corpus caluisim is the part of the brain that communicates between the hemispheres, and just by hearing sound, that signal can be sent through this corpus calcim so that the two parts of your brain begin to harmonize and that you can go into expanded psychic states of consciousness. That's just from some noise, right, So the point I'm trying to make is what about the things that aren't making a noise, but they exist

in that energy feel around us? That there are entities all around us that our physical bodies have not evolved yet to be able to see. But that doesn't mean that they don't exist. They are there, And there are beings of thought that we have created through our own greed, through our own malice, through our own envy, through our jealousy, all that negative shit and the positive shit, like Jesus.

And because of this notion that we are powerful beings whose thoughts create reality, that there are forces that exist, which you know, the reason not like why Jesus? Right, Because first of all, it's the most perfect example of a human who entered earth life, mastered the state here, and ascended. You see what I'm saying, it's the most perfect version. It doesn't matter to me. Whether it was literal, it doesn't matter to me. If he was born a virgin birth, doesn't matter to me. If he died on

a cross, None of that matters to me. What matters to me is that there are billions of people throughout the last two thousand years who believe in the divinity and the meaning of this message. And there's many good messages right there there there there. There could be several others like Zoroaster or said Artha or whoever, there's several you know what I mean, there's several good examples. Go ahead, and you look like you're just dying to say something.

Speaker 2

No, no, I'm just putting puzzle pieces together. I'm thinking of the I'm thinking of the born again Christian who whose life immediately becomes better mm hmm because they connect to this force, because you can to the thought egre or you become aligned with this divinity that people have been pumping positive thoughts into for two thousand years. Yeah, you know, and then you wonder why doors start opening up, people start talking to you. You start to have miracles,

a better outlook on life, miracles. Yeah, yeah, I'm just putting on my gears are turning. That's what you're seeing.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Alex is like but usually his MIC's like this, And the reason I'm like, do you want to say something? Because he's like this, like like like he's gonna say something, but he missed the mark. So that's why I'm like, did you want to say something? Because I'm trying to make sure you don't.

Speaker 2

It's a fine dance between now I know, erupting the flow of ryan bloodsoe. And it's just funny to watch the word and then I say something stupid like Kleenex and Nike.

Speaker 1

You know, I don't think it's stupid. No, it's it's funny because I can see that you're trying to but you don't want to interrupt.

Speaker 2

Well, the thing earlier was a different thing in it's past now yeah, because you you also kind of cover it, like I see, I answer your question before you can ask it.

Speaker 1

Yeah. But yeah, that that is more or less the point that I'm making about this subject. So that because next week I wanted to really focus on this this idea, right, but there are real spiritual forces. Yeah, why is it the people come Christian and the miracles happen?

Speaker 2

Well, and not that it can't happen with any other religion. It does an example, it's an example.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's the example that's packed with some of the most powerful symbols, at least in all of Western culture. You know, it's the strongest example. And then you go to the East, you go to India, you go to to better you go to China, you go to whatever, and they have things that we don't even know about, and it's a whole other universe. I mean, why.

Speaker 2

Does the opposite happen with substances? Why does the opposite happen with alcohol? Yeah, you know, I mean obviously there's some physical you're effects of this, but you're you know, you're kind of creating a false idol in a sense of you know, this habit becomes more important than aligning yourself with something positive, and then you enter this downward spiral, which is just the same thing on the other end of the spectrum.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's also I really do think that people, you know, just the alcohol and the substance thing, they're lowering their vibration to the point to where I think there is no defense system. And of course it has a physiological effect too. Like you know, alcohol makes you super dehydrated or just where you get drunk, yeah, liver, all that stuff. But then there's another element too, which is like a lot of people drink and they beat their wives or

they kill people, and these demons come out. And it's like I do think that there is also an invisible world, like there's an animal world, there's the human world, which is our perception of reality. There's the chemical and molecular world world, there's the spiritual world. And these are just like layers of dimensions right of evolved existence, and I think that we're all interlapping with these layers simultaneously, you

know what I mean. And I think that there there is clearly consciousness in the chemical world as well, and that's why certain chemicals can cause profound realizations and evolution of character, like you know, psilocybin or d MT or in many many cases I have no experience with this, but in many cases lsd ayahuasca, even cannabis good and bad, but it helps a lot of people. I think it helps a lot a lot of people because there there is a vibratory effect in the chemical world of consciousness too.

But there's a lot of chemicals out there that have very bad and harmful vibrations like alcohol, like heroin, like you know, YadA, YadA, YadA, all these bad drugs. I think you can.

Speaker 2

I think people definitely can get up in the cannabis se report too.

Speaker 1

Oh for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2

And I'll just leave it just I don't want to just use it. Specific people abuse it.

Speaker 1

I think it is a medicine and I yeah, I think I think when you used too much it is it is abuse. But I don't think it's nearly the same abuse as like alcohol.

Speaker 2

No, there's there's there's there's there's you know, just I agree, you know what I mean, Like, hey, there's worse things than cannabis abuse, but it.

Speaker 1

Can really run some people's lives too. That's a whole other subject. Yeah, it's a whole other thing.

Speaker 2

But my bad.

Speaker 1

No, you're good, you're good. You always have him to talk on the show. People, But for you, they're like, you know, let Alex talks, like no, I beg him to I beg him to talk. He's coming around twenty twenty six, twenty twenty six, right, yeah, the year that Alex talks more. That's actually that's true. That's coming on the pipe. But you know it's so important what we align our thoughts with. What we feed our thoughts with happiness, joy, love, kindness, humility.

But as you know, the human mind seeks attachment, it seeks some sort of form. It understands the world as forms. You look around, your brain is wired to recognize patterns and render a reality that makes logical and orderly sense. And I think that in a way, your thoughts seek this too. I mean even think like the mind of God thought everything into order. I think we like order. I think chaos isn't inherently evil, but it's the lack

of the divine intelligence. It's like what Thomas Campbell says, he's like the larger consciousness system, which is his terminology for basically what I say is God, you know, the supreme being. It is seeking to reduce entropy, which is he's a physicist, right, that's scientific terminology to say it's trying to minimize chaos and randomness. Or the Masons say what out of chaos order? Well, you think about like Egyptian mythology, and it talks about raw or in many

cases in earlier dynasties. Atoum thinking the universe into order Atum Adam. There's a divine order to the existence of the universe. And I think our mind is no different, and it has a hard time latching onto things, and it wants definitions, it wants labels. So people are like, I'm a Republican, I'm a Democrat. Me I'm neither. I'm dead serious. I stopped voting. If people vote, that's fine. I'm not trying to make anybody. I'm just saying because

I really believe this. That about a few years ago, I realized this isn't real. This is stealing my energy. So why am I giving to this? It's just harmful. So I stopped playing the game. And I think that's true for so many things, Like people are all into rap culture, like yeah, you know, fucking so and So's beefn with so and so. It's like they're both rapping about bitches and drugs, Like why do I care? Why do I care? You know what I mean? It's this

egergre of all these different cultures. So of course it's okay to like that stuff, but like there hits a certain level where you have to in one way or another, like be aware. And also I think there's varying degrees of sensitivity. Some people can some people are so spiritually sensitive that these choices really really matter. Let me elaborate further.

I believe that the more you become connected to spirit, the more the sensitivity increases, because the faculties are awakening or awakening, they're unfolding, so that you really have to become conscious of the things that you consume. That's why it's so important on the spiritual path through the esoteric path, or you could say the templar path, or which at whatever path, the yoga path, it doesn't matter. There's a

big emphasis on what you eat. Should eat healthy, should eat natural, You should not consume too much negative or dark material. I'm guilty of that. I like I like horror movies sometimes, but I really I have genuinely been watching them a lot less because I am finding that they affect me differently than when I was twenty five,

you know what I mean. And there's there's an effect, there's there's some there's some invisible world where the things we believe, the things we align with, the things we consume, the things we allow, they have. It's you can think of it like an entity attachment to them. Because the mind likes order, so it thinks things into being. And when you have billions of people thinking a similar thing into being, it becomes true. It becomes a living entity

that has a will that attaches to us. Okay, so then in the larger question of philosophy, what do we call this? What do we call what? You know? What do we call the notion of being a good person walking the spiritual path? Being better, being kind? I call it the way. It's the way, it's being like Christ. But to me, it's the way. And the reason I say that is because Jesus said I am the Way and the Truth and the Life, and none will get

to the Father except for me. But I have a deeper understanding of this, which is that then they killed the guy, and then they're like, now we're going to go to war with our enemies and kill everybody who's not Christian and suppress any alternative version of his message and pass a law that says if you do not accept this doctrine and say this exact creed is like the Nicien creed, and there's others confessing that you perfectly believe our version of this doctrine, We're gonna murder you.

You know, we're gonna kill you. And it got way out of whack. So Christianity today is not who Christ actually was. He wasn't saying He wasn't saying, you know, you gotta worship me. He wasn't saying follow me in the sense that I'm your master, if you, dude, I've read the New Testament two or three times over, and I'm not an expert by any means, but I'm telling you, like I could pick this up and tree right away.

There are parts in there where he literally tells the people following him like, don't claim a master or a rabbi. No one is above you. I'm not above you. People will get down, and he'd be like, get up. You know what I mean. You don't pray to me. You don't even pray to angels. You pray to God alone. There's one true God, and it's a light. It's a spirit. That's what he said. It's a spirit of light, and we're the suns of light. And you know, and there's

so much more to that. There's a lot of parts in the New Testament that allude to the greater sort of Gnostic esoteric doctrine and at this point, it's pretty obviously coming to light that, at least from where I'm standing in the conversations I'm having and the experiences I'm having, that it's true, you know. But the point was never what the apostle Paul said, which was Romans ten to nine.

You have to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, was crucified, descended for three days, and then on the third day rose again, and you know, ascended.

And according to technical Christian doctrine, is like, if you don't confess that with your mouth, no matter what you've done in your life, even if you've donated a billion puppies to kids with cancer, and you've you know, done the best thing in the world and bought free Disney World tickets for a million Make a Wish kids and donated water to homeless people in Iraq or whatever best

thing you know. Those are silly, I'm being silly, But whatever best things you could imagine that that anyone has ever done, none of it matters if they did not confess Romans ten to nine. The sinner's prayer to be saved. It all hinges on this magical formula that you're supposed to say with your mouth. This is like real true Christian doctrine, at least the way I was raised and Pentecostal, which is pretty freaking hardcore, dude. It's like og hardcore

old school, like get down and dirty. You know, we are separate from the world. This is true Christianity that you have to confess this magical line with your mouth, and if you don't, your damn to hell for all eternity. It all hinges on a utterance of a confession of a belief, and then you know you're saved. And of course other things like you gotta be good, you gotta be baptized, but the main thing is to be saved. It starts there. You have to confess that that's all wrong,

that's so wrong. I don't think he was ever saying that, and I think that the true point has always been there is a narrow path. There is a way to carry yourself, a you could say, an egregor or an embodiment of being that you must be to evolve, to ascend, to achieve immortality, or as they call in Tibet, jog chin, which means the light body, which I believe Jesus I

totally and beginning to believe that he did. I used to have a hard time believing after, like, you know, learning a lot of this, I'd be like, well, I don't know if he did. I don't know, Like what does it matter. I really am beginning to believe that he did, that he did ascend, and he just chose not to die whatever. I don't care who believes that. I am truly beginning to believe that light body is possible,

and we are evolving towards that path. And there's the macro and the micro, and that for all of this time, in the thousands or millions or however long years of evolution of mankind, that's happened some here and there in the micro. But I think we're hitting a point on the macro where we're evolution or we're evolving at such a rapid rate because of the spread of technology and how everyone is so connected now and the world is

getting so dark. But dude, anytime like a puppy's tail is stepped on in Iraq, it's world news and every iPhone you go click and everybody sees it. You know what I mean. It's hard to everything is so amplified now. And even if things were not as bad as people think they are, they believe it, so it might as well be, do you know what I mean? And because we all believe a certain thing, it affects our life here.

So yeah, I think that the human mind seeks order, that it seeks some sort of thing to attach to. So it wants to attach to a Republican and wants to attached to Democrat. It wants attached to Buddhist or Christian or blank or blank, you know whatever. It is a fan of anything really, fan of anime, fan of rap, fan of movies, fan of whatever. It wants to attach and attach and attach. So I think as we walk this path of spiritual evolution, we have to remember to

be careful what thoughts we are feeding. Fear, negativity, anger, all the seven deadly sense. But but even specifically like the darkness of the world, the things that are going on in the world. I had an experienced last week where a being told me. It was more or less like I didn't see a being, but it was kind of like a voice, like a It's just like a message, just like a fly, like one of those kind of psychic experience that I was talking about earlier. They just

they happened to me somewhat. It just happens. It's like it's, you know, just laying there and it's just like poof, you know, And I don't know how to explain it, but it told me not to address the darkness anymore, only address the light, not not to not to be engaged with those dark forces, not not to be you know, my job isn't I used to think my job was to sit here and combat the darkness, and you know, I think that was wrong. I think that's always wrong.

I think our job is always and only to shine a light, to help other people to see the light, to help people grow. To only focus on the light, only focus on the positivity. Because your energy flows where your attention goes. So what you're putting your mind and your thoughts into is where you are going to where you're gonna go naturally, I mean, that's just common sense.

But that includes like things in the world. And I'm not saying, you know, you have to be an aesthetic monk and you can't be a part of society and you can't. I'm not saying don't pay attention to things like you don't pay attention things.

Speaker 2

But.

Speaker 1

On some level you are responsible for maintaining your emotional thought form attachment to the things that happen out in the world out and you know around you. Now, I think we are all weak because we are human, and by definition we come here and we are a flawed creation. That's not a bad thing, that's not an insult. But I think we are imperfect because we exist in the The only reason we exist here is because from the perfect spiritual world we said, hmm, I really would like

to experience, you know, joy or jealousy or fear. So we come here to learn. We come here to experience those things which we don't need imperfection. So by definition, we're imperfect here and that's not a bad thing. But because of this, I think none of us are perfect. I think every single one of us are prone to making mistakes and having misgivings, being upset, emotional, caught off guard, like there's no human alive. I believe that it's perfect.

I think that there are some people that have, uh, you know, developed a lot of wisdom through experience, but nobody here is perfect, and everybody has room for error and mistakes. But ultimately it is our responsibility to, you know, be careful what thought forms we're feeding, what what we are you know, becoming engaged with because these are real things and they have a vibratory effect on our consciousness.

So anyway, I feel like I'm pretty satisfied with where we're at, and next week I wanted to focus a little bit more on like the Way, and you know, it's it's not a religion, it's not a it's not a you know, a creed or a dogma. I genuinely believe that it's a spiritual technology, that it's truly what I believe to be the path to I guess you

could say like spiritual growth. You know, it's like in Buddhism they say that attachment leads to suffering, and they have the I think it's called the fore Noble Truths, and then there's the Eightfold Path, which is like the program to you know, kind of deal with the reality of the forln noble truths, and if I remember correctly, the vulnoble truths are I have a hard time remembering

all four. But it's like attachment leads to suffering. And because of this there you're gonna have to help me out. You already google them it. But it's basically, there's a way to deal with suffering. That path is the eightfold path. And then help me out here, man, I'm trying the four Noble Truths of Buddhism.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I'm trying to get it in simple terms. Here, attachment leads truth suffering, the truth of suffering, the truth of cause, the truth of the cause of suffering, the truth of the cessation of suffering, which is the eightfold path, the truth of the path.

Speaker 1

Right that sounded more than four.

Speaker 2

Nope, that was four. Truth of suffering, the truth of cause of suffering, the truth of cessation of suffering, the truth of the path.

Speaker 1

Oh, there you go. So the point is attachment leads to suffering. But you know, I don't even remember where I was going that because then we had the whole Google thing. Help me out here. Yeah, that's a good sign that it's it's time to wrap it up. But it's all good. My point is that there's a there's a path, there's there's a Oh fuck it, I don't remember where I was going with it. Great job. Otherwise, I really enjoyed this one. Oh, thank you very much.

I I'm really looking forward to next Week's I just I feel like it's universal. You know what I'm saying. It's the idea that there is a way, there's there's a path to growth. And I don't think it's a religion. I think it's universal. I think that it's a way. It's a spiritual technology. That's what I was getting at earlier with the fornable. But that's exactly what I was saying, that it's spiritual technology and that it's something that when we do this, it's it's a program to Oh dude,

I'm sorry, it's coming back to me now. I was spinning because it's like eighty eight thought I was saying one thing, and then I said the other thing, and then I waited for the Google and I forgot. What I was saying is the spiritual technology is the path to be happy, be fulfilled, be full of joy, you know, have growth development spiritually. But also I think it is the best path to not be suffering in this world.

That's why I brought up the you know, the suffering of Buddhism, because it is fundamentally, I believe a condition to suffer in this world if we do not have some level of mastery of emotion and thought. So that's why it's so important to in some way strive to grow, because if we don't, we'll get complacent, we won't be evolving, and will be stuck in like cycles and loops of just being in the same place and not maturing, not growing,

being unhappy, being unfulfilled, not manifesting our desires. Like I truly do think that we come here into human life to learn true unconditional love, which can only be achieved through the spiritual path. And obviously the spiritual path is universal. But talk about egre gores to round out the episode here and sort of bring us into next week's topic.

I do believe that the reason there's so much resonance and a wealth of symbolism and allegory with Christ is because I think that this is a very real and powerful Egregore, And I think that is it is a force that and then the Lady, right, the Holy Spirit. That's another one one we can talk about next week. I have heard it suggested by people very deep into the esoteric tradition after decades of very real intimate experience.

You know, I meant a lot of interesting people in my life, right, But I've heard It even suggested that we are eger goers thought into form by God. And we have to understand that all things are thought into form by one consciousness or another, and every level of existence, and the sense that we are creating thought forms, we are thought forms created by the mind of God. So when we really peel apart this layer of understanding of these alchemical and esoteric traditions, this is the crux of

what they were saying. The first law for Meticism is the universe is mental, that it is a mind, that's the mind of God. Or the logos. In the Book of John, it says, in the beginning was the Word, and the word was God, and the word was with God. Or the word was with God and the word was God. Right, I reversed him on accident. But a lot of people will say, well the logos means the word or no, no, I mess that up. They say, in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the

word was God. The original Greek trends translation of word as logos logos to the effect meaning like a mind because it was written in Greek. You see what I'm saying, and it goes on and on, you know, Gnostic thought, Egyptian thought, all these different very powerful philosophic and esoteric traditions, they're they're all saying the same thing, that the universe

is a mind. Right, So yeah, I don't want to go in circles forever about it, but it's important to, I believe, learn to take the reins of our thoughts, but also understand that we're not perfect and we have to start somewhere, and it's okay to make mistakes. Everybody gets mad you can't. You know, the worst thing that you can do is like get frustrated with yourself and give up because you feel like you can't do the whole thing. That's not the point. The point is to try.

The point is we all have a responsibility to move forward towards growth, towards evolution, towards virtue, towards being a better person. And that's, you know, the only way the world is going to change. I believe that, you know, so many more of us in the world are so sick of the horrors that are happening here. Then we say this is enough, Like we need to we need to be better than this, We need a higher way of living it being and I think it starts here.

I think. I think it starts now with with the spiritual path or the way, like what Jesus said, I am the Way and the truth and the life. So I think it's a way forward, you know, it's it's it's a way that we can follow that that is, you know, the blueprint for being connected to the divine. So anyway, I love you guys, I'll see you next week, and thank you for your support. And I really hope you enjoyed this one. I know it was off the wall,

but I'm just getting started. Weird things happened in the backyard and left the house the yard of left no houses.

Speaker 2

Just so weird.

Speaker 1

Weird, no weird.

Speaker 2

Wow,

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