225: Creative Intelligence w/ Ignacio Diaz Jr.

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reached out. Knew she was a musician with the idea of, you know, some kind of collaboration, and we got to talking and you know, talked about our past with music and music study and piano, and we tossed around, oh we worked on this music and oh you know that piece too, and so on, and then you know, just talked over time and then Gateway Line last June was happening with me. Yes, and I knew you were there. I don't know if you knew that I was going

to be there. I was in you know, the room as people were gathering, and you walked in and you said, you're the guy I'm supposed to meet. You know, big hugs as usual, and you know, great friendships born. You know.

body to make sure it runs smoothly. And of course it did, so Ignasio was They're doing the program with us, but you were there a staff, so it was kind of an interesting thing. But I didn't know you were going to be there until the day I got there. And when I signed in, I saw a list of everybody's name and I was like, oh, crazy, Agnasio's here, right, you know, And then there was like half a dozen other people that I recognized, or four or something like that, and you know the rest is history.

oftentimes you run into what are considered blocks. You know, I'm stuck, I don't know what to do, and we provide tools to help people, first of all, sort of move away from the distraction of the physical their body and how they're feeling into creative data, inspiration, ideas, thoughts, and then to go into these deep states during meditation and sort of download that information and then come back to the here and now and turn that into a

work of art, music, poem, book, Invention podcast podcast.

excited after it all. Everybody was so excited experience, and I thought things were going to happen, and then everything kind of got quiet, but you guys were slammed. You were so busy, and then all of a sudden, a few months ago, you said, you know what, Nawzia, We're going to get to this. We really want to do it. And then you cranked out the episodes about Creation Station and your experience there, and you said to me, you know, I didn't realize, but as soon as we did that,

our schedule was full. Yeah, and you this is why it's episode two one, because you had other stuff that sort of came up. And that's kind of how it works. It doesn't go the way we logically think it's going to go. It goes the way it needs to go.

four months ago. I think we recorded it in March, so three months later, and even in that three month span, looking back on some of the profound experiences we had, and I was reading my notes and I was like, WHOA, I do not remember it being this epic, cause I feel like when you have some crazy event, when you're having like expanded states of awareness, right, and all of this stuff is happening over a forty minute span, and then you come out and then the following weeks you

just kind of remember that one part of it, and then reading your journal, it's like, WHOA, I don't remember this, this, this, this and this. But I know that that creation station program that we did with you was very profound for a group, and it was the introduction to Monroe stuff for Alex, for Olivia, for Nick Forkzy, for Jenny. And here we are going down this path, going deeper and

deeper and deeper into the Monroe stuff. We're sitting here figuring out how we are we gonna get Alex the gateway, but I think we have an idea. Very soon, you know, we'll get them there. But anyway, Yeah, so an incredible How can people find that schedule to do your creation station?

months later, now I understand what that was. In the moment, it might not seem quite so big, and then something happens and you go, that was that was pretty epic.

will sign up. They simply want to be creative. They don't see themselves as creative and feel like they get this sort of nudge that this could be something to help them find that creative outlet, and it has for a number of people. They comment, they send me emails after and just say, you know, I didn't realize how creative I really was, but I just became aware that it was there. So you find the schedule there. We add virtual programs as needed, and just sign up right

on the website. You'll pick a date that's that's convening it and join us.

think I told the story in Creation Station. But one afternoon I was out on the lawn and just laying in the grass, looking up at the sky and watching the clouds, just laying there, and I wondered what it would sound like. I'm a sound guy musician, so I wondered what it would sound like if I could hear every sound that ever happened in the past. And then, of course I thought, well and in the future, what if I could hear all of those sounds all at

one time? What would it sound like? Would it sound messy? Would it sound and just a bunch of noise? And I realized, whoa, this would be so loud. But then I realized it wouldn't. All of the noise and all the sound from my perspective, if I were to hear it all at once, it would be deafening. So what would that be. It'd be silent. And I think that simple question was a catalyst for my life and the

pursuit of silence and stillness. And I think that was the trajectory that led me through experiences in my life that ultimately led me to beyond BLEDSOE said, so all of it and we don't think about it in those terms, but really that did land me here? And how did it connect? You know, that weird thought or those weird thoughts that I had as a kid. Here we are talking about the extraordinary. It's not weird anymore now it's

just extraordinary. And so so that, and then you know, I always I kind of ask funny questions like that. Studied music through you know, my younger years, and so I spent a lot of time alone, a lot of time in music, and which I loved. I had a great career in music. Just retired and from forty plus years of teaching music, which was a career I loved, and I feel like I left that on top. So it was a great way to transition to this work that I do now, which is really the work of dreams.

I get to combine the two worlds that mean the most to me, music and consciousness exploration. And so it's what an opportunity and a privilege and just truly dream come true to be in this space. But even while I was doing that, I was still constantly contemplating life and time and you know, as best I could at

ten or eleven years old. And when I was about probably eleven years old, I thought I would try this thing I'd heard about meditation, And so we had a little cassette tape that our chiropractor gave us, and I popped it in a boombox, probably dating myself a little bit, put in a boombox and lit some incense, because that's what you're supposed to do when you do, you know, meditation turned the lights out, and I just sat and listened to this music and kind of got lost in it.

I wasn't sure what I was doing. I didn't know what it was. All I knew is you sat quietly, you know, and it was great. And I would try that every now and then. But then it was always about music, always about music again alone, completely focused on music. Fast forward and you know, my early twenties, I learned transcendental meditation. I learned to meditate with a technique.

with meditation. You know, oh, I can't quiet my mind, or I can't sit still, or I get uncomfortable or yeah, all these distractions and not realizing that all of that is really crucial to your practice. It's nothing wrong with it, it's part of it. Miscon That's exactly right. We don't understand what meditation is supposed to be and is it really about quieting your mind and trying to Everyone fights and struggles to I can't stop my thoughts. I can't

stop my thoughts. But I often wonder, well, why would you want to stop the flow of thought? You want to be able to manage it and focus on one thought at a time and see what it holds. What's the information that I need here? What is it that I'm supposed to be learning? How is this going to change my life, but instead we struggled to try to be quiet and silence it. And silence it, we're silencing the very creative intelligence that you could that could possibly

be changing your life. So I continued meditating, and in about twenty eighteen, I started doing a practice, a meditative practice that shifted my own personal explorations.

and I knew this was the real deal. The experiences I was having were profound. To say the least, this was profound, And so I explored and looked at the website, scoured the Monroe website, discovered the expand app, and explored all the meditations and exercises there, and a couple of them caught my attention, and so I reached out asked about whether they had more of these types of exercises,

and they were working on it. And I asked where they got their music, because the music's beautiful on there and really great for meditative work. And they told me where they got the music and if I knew somebody

that wrote music, send them their way. So well, as a matter of fact, I know someone, and so I submitted a sample and Paul, the executive vice president and CTO at the institute said, this is really we're looking for something like this, and we have this program that we're going to invite you to coming up in June. This I talked to him in April in June of twenty twenty two, and so they called me up. I flew out and this was Creation Station. Oh cool, and

so it was the first Creation station. It was residentials for a week and it was a profound experience and I talked to a lot of people there. I met Alan, the CEO, and she said, well, you know, you know music, and you know what we do here, and I think we should see if we can collaborate. And so cut to the chase. I am now one of the audio engineers. I write music for the Institute for Expand app along with the training and work with other artists to collaborate.

You know, I need help curate new artists new music, and we collaborate by enhancing their music with Monroe Sound Science so we can share it with the world.

I was eleven was an exercise of Bob's Wow. And so I was already dipping into the Monroe stuff at a really young age and not even realizing that that was part of my trajectory.

so there it was. Didn't realize, you know, And then of course along the way, in actually the mid nineties, I read Bob's books for the first time, and then a good friend of mine who she's a great friend. I had a really rough time and she came over and she was a life saver, truly. She talked me down from just being at a really well talk me down, boosted me up.

you know, but that's wild. So you you start looking really into Monroe, you reach out and you find yourself just kind of walking the steps of becoming the director of music strategy. But as I understand it, you're also one of the guys who sits in the room and you make the audio technology right correct, So obviously without you know, let me let me let me back up, I would I'm curious to know what that's like. You know,

what is that like? What is that like actually making the technology that enriches millions.

he was doing and understanding what he was doing. And then all of a sudden things started to make sense how it worked. And then my supervisors of other you know, people who did this, Paul. Of course, yep, go do it. It's all tested, it's all reviewed before it goes out. We're really careful about that cautiously because it's it reaches a lot of people. We want to make sure it's a good experience and easy to consume, so to speak.

It's it's a privilege. It's something very special, almost sacred to me, because I've been handed a tool that can change people's lives and does and it's not that it does something for the individual, it supports them in their work. You know, I didn't have that when I was that kid out on the lawn. I asked a question. You have to come to the work wanting change, sincerely wanting change.

But if you want that, the support's there. And it's astounding how powerful it is when you say I'm ready for change, and with the support of this, you're able. It's this that becomes a collaboration, you and Bob's research and years of you know, this of curiosity. You know, when we did OTP together, we learned a lot about Bob and his personality and who he was and his

inquisitiveness and you know, his tenacity adventure. Yeah, to keep trying and well, you know it's not It didn't kill me, So I'm just going to keep going, you know, in his beautiful, simple, humorous and just don't give up kind of way. Let's just go. I'll try it on myself. And it's if we come to the work that way. You had this collaboration, you have the support with Monroe Sound Science, you have your intention of wanting change or

wanting adventure or whatever it is, or healing whatever. You bring that to the table and work with the audio tech. You are going to see results. I've seen it number one in my own self, and that's really the true test. Don't look at other people for it. I don't look just because I see other people succeeding at it. No, me, Me, It starts with me. I agree, because if I can't, if I can't do this work and I can't change, why should I expect someone else to do it. Nope,

I'm gonna step up and I'm gonna do it. And it's a practice that I'm very dedicated to, and it's the only way I feel in good conscience that I can ask someone else.

And there's some people at these Minroe programs that they'll, oh, nothing's happening to me. Everyone around me is, you know, eving the body or seeing you know, on the other side of the room. And it's like, well, I mean, your journey is not their journey, you know. I'm just agreeing with what you said, right, Like, this is for you. You have to show up and you you have to be here for you and not be so concerned about

everyone else. I love that I love that philosophy. But I want to talk a little bit because I'm a big fan of INN, a real sound science big, big fan, especially ever since I met you. I went and I did Gateway last year, and you and I had a lot of experiences where we were sort of connected in another place you remember, yes, I do. Yeah. We would be like seeing flashes of each other from across the you know, across the building and having message and all

kinds of weird things, and it was very interesting. But ever since meeting you, ever since doing Gateway, ever since going through the path over the last year, becoming a trainer, which news flash, Ignacio and I were in that program together. So for the last year I've been calling you my study buddy, and we actually went and were trained together. Because you didn't mention this in the start of the episode. But you're also an outreach trainer, correct? So how many

ads do you wear? Like six? You're the you're the director of music Strategy, You're a sound science engineer, You're an outreach trainer, You're a guest trainer. Am I missing anything like you? You are tapped in I cleaned the pool during your Gateway Oh true? True?

It's my guideline. And then I've been there three times physically you were there twice, Like you are a part of my journey with this place. You're You're like I always think of people. This is how I know they're for real, like some sort of spiritual mentor some sort

of like guide in my life. I always think of people like a Jedi knight, and I think you're Yoda, Like for me, right, you're Yoda, Archie's Quai gon Gen, And there's this other lit cast of people that have a different Jedi that like this person's kind of like a guide, but this is their personality, you know what I mean. So you guys are definitely part of my path. But anyway, I'm a big fan of Monroe Sound Science, especially because I know someone who who you know, makes

Monroe Sound Science. And I'm just really curious about what was that like learning the brain being a pianist, right that that's your home base, right right, piano, being a pianist, and then diving into this world of like consciousness work. What was that like? Like having to learn brain wave states, having to learn targeted states of consciousness, but also like were you just nerding out about making music that's you know,

bringing people into such expanded states. I'm curious about the inner journey of you learning this and doing this.

playing probably about fifteen minutes. I get done, and I, you know, expect to see a lot of active, you know, brain activity. And it was some of the deepest delta I've ever experienced.

It's an incredible process to think of music that either I'm creating or that someone's created specifically for targeting specific states of consciousness, that the music can take you to that space. Sort of just the nature of that sound might do it. But then you have this science, this technique,

this method that deepens or enhances that. What a combination the synthesis of those two let's call them disciplines to carry you into these deep states and then be able to be aware while in that state like I was, wasn't asleep playing this piece of music. I couldn't be I had to move thinking of what finger, what note I'm playing for? How long, how loud, how fast? Lots of process So what's doing that?

And anyway, so without peeling back too much, I wanted to talk about what Monroe's sound science actually is because we haven't even said that in trainment, and what this process is in the brain, and what it is that you're doing, right, you're making these I know what you're doing, but I'm saying for the listener's sake, who maybe is I love hearing you talk about Monroe, but like, what is it? You know what I mean? So let's talk about that in trainment? What is Monroe sound Science?

So one of the things that you're trying to do. Of course, we work on the premise that we're more than our physical body, and so the less you can be anchored in the body or the sensation of the body spatially, I personally feel it's easier to feel the

freedom to explore beyond the physical. And so I think that's the biggest advantage from my perspective in using Monroe Sound Science, because you are not stuck in the body, yeah, or shall I say you're not stuck with the idea, yeah, that you're stuck in the mindy.

love that theory. I get the sense that the Monroe Institute is today. It like this futuristic tech ages version of like what they were doing in ancient Egypt thousands of years ago, which was just having direct experience with the other. Right, they were doing this in Greece, they were doing this in Persia, they were doing this in Egypt, they were doing it in India, all these places around the ancient world. And we call them today or we

know them as the mystery schools. Right, it's not a religion, it's not a creed. It was just a body of work where it was meditation, whether it was various X y Z ways that they would leave the body or they would, you know, have dreams at spiritual practice, spiritual practice, various spiritual discilence. Yes, not one thing, right, but I think them. Minuro'stitude is so amazing because it's like that in today's day and age. But it's it's it's not it's not it's not a belief system. It's not a

dogma or a creed or religion. It's just techniques that are universal, that are honed through science and research and it's effective.

still have an element of doubt whether it's true or not. Well, it's true to me because I experienced it, But there is no way that I will ever convince you that it's true, because you will always have a sliver of doubt until you experience it, and then it becomes a truth for you. And now we can tell Alex and he might say that's really cool, and you know that sounds like it. It's real, but yeah, and so we invite we invite everyone to experience it for themselves, to

try to what you said. We provide tools, yes, and when people come to programs, and I always share with participants, try not to expect an experience today, but come to this like you're going to learn a tool, practice the tool, and then when you go home, now start working with that tool for the experience. And it somehow takes the pressure off because everyone has this pressure that they have to do this now they have to succeed, but they're

still just learning the tool. When they attend the workshops, the programs, the online programs, whatever it is, the weekend, our weekend workshops that we do. Come and learn the tools and get good at the tool. Don't come and try so hard to have an experience. And in any practice, like if you're doing let's say you're going to learn TM, don't expect a specific experience that day. Learn the process and in time, in time, and then and only then does it become truth. But it becomes your truth. And

you said it. It's great, Ryan, And we always we talk like this all the time. I'm not trying to convince anybody. I just want to have that experience myself. I want to do it because I want to know. And that's why you do this. Do it because you want to experience it. And then people will see, hey, there's something about that guy. What is it. They'll notice that you do something, They'll notice that you practice something.

You're really good about this. You always, you know, ask to tell people, you know, hey, just try it, go try it. I've never once ever heard you say this, you should try it. You always do that. I like it.

But the more I walk this path of like collaborating and being connected to the institute, I find that it's more fulfilling for me because I'm being similar to you, where you just kind of you wrote a message one day and you or you did a program or whatever you explained, you know, twenty minutes ago, how your first contact and then they're like, hey, we need somebody that makes music, and you're like me, and then you submit a song like overnight, right, and then boom, you're like

getting hired at the place. I sort of had a similar experience going to the content creator thing, and then Arkie was like, dude, you should apply. I run the program to train trainers. You still gotta apply, but I'll see it, and I'm like okay, cool, and then boom, I'm going through training and then boom, I'm becoming an hourage trainer. So we kind of had a similar path, right,

And we've been on each other's path, right. But I'm finding the more I walk this path, how amazing it is to be in a position to have the tools to facilitate awakening experiences for others and empowering individuals.

this thing that happened. Oh yeah, if I had told you that, would you believed me? No exactly, but you do. Yeah, And then they're excited about going back, and then they can't get enough and they want to do it more and more and more, and then they'll run into some struggles again. You know, I'm distracted about life, which we

all know doesn't go into straight line. Stuff comes up, but you get to try again the next day and the next day and the next day, and then the next thing you know, you're sitting on a podcast with you know, your brother.

invited a bunch of content creators out. I don't think they truly knew the return they were going to get on that genius idea, you know, to where like, you know, look at Amy, she's constantly doing programs, and you know, people are making content, but the and have me like being a trainer and like hey, you come on, you come on, you come on, you come on and go and do programs. Like it was just brilliant what they

did there with that content creator thing. And and I can't deny that since then, not not because of me, but just because in general, I think because of all these content creators going out, like the freaking place is slammed through like twenty twenty six.

which is that they're a phenomenal group of people. You know, shout out to the hospitality when you go to campus if you ever get a you know, folks, if you ever get a chance to go, food's great, and the hospitality is phenomenal. But there are so many people behind the scenes who want everyone to have the opportunity to make a change for the better in their own lives. And so the staff that I work with, everybody on staff is amazing. I get to work with some incredible people.

Everyone everyone on campus is great outreach trainers that I've met, I know, even some that I haven't met. I see the work they're doing and their passion about sharing Bob's legacy is inspiring to me every single day. So you know, you've as a creator, all the creators that were at that Gateway program have joined a great body of people yea, that have this vision and mission of sharing it with now with eighty million people, which is it's a huge deal.

one of them is tails. The orbs is heads, and it's like you know, the the the I'll just say Monroe stuff out of body, consciousness, you know, altered perception, all that stuff. Esp. I'll say that's tails, and you know, flip a coin, heads or tails. Do you want to have a visible, detectable awakening experience that chill your entire reality and like expands your consciousness or do you want

to have one with your eyes closed that's inward. So there's external, there's internal, But they have the same effect. You know, you're seeing a supernatural being, or you're going out in your body, or you're bilocating and you're seeing your wife, you know, walk through the grocery store when you're laying in your bed meditating, you know what I mean, They're the same thing. To me, they're truly the same thing. But you know, one is out, one is in, one

is within, one is without. But so I see it as one mission, you know what I've been doing my whole life, you know, getting on board with Monroe. And I asked you the question about the in five thousand, because and I talked about this on my three part Gateway series that this this purpose and mission is when I learned that. The first day at Gateway, or the second day, technically the first day you get in, it's

kind of late, it's orientation whatever. But the second day of Gateway, you know, we talked about the purpose and the mission of the institute, and it was like that moment was what caught me when I fell in love. When I heard the purpose in the mission, which is to awaken global human consciousness and to reach one percent of the world's population with awakening experiences.

some tapes or something. But since sort of officially engaging a program doing Gateway and after, can you pick a moment that really sort of capped it for you that this was a deeply profound and life altering experience. You mean at Gateway, not at Gateway anything after You're Monroe, something at Monroe that really kind of tipped you over the edge of this was a really really deep and profound thing that you are now doing.

week it was just an absolutely unbelievable experience. I mean, you know that you were there. Do you remember. I'm just gonna say after a brief period of silence, it's not going too much detail. And we were in the kitchen. We had been silent for probably four or five hours last point, and you walked in and I looked at you and I just said, do we have any oat milk? Remember that, dude? I calculated in my head, hmm, do I keep going in this moment? Nah, my coffee is

really important right now? No? No, no, actually it was. It was I asked are you being silent? And you thought about it and you said not not for you. Yeah, I'll talk for you. That was a hilarious moment. I think that was the last day of the second last day. But anyway, back to your question, So the whole week was profound. It was insane, right, I knew my life was changed. There were there were many elements of that week that I came home like a different person. But

following that things continued to happen for me. I can't speak for others, right.

experiences at home and bed at night whatever. Since Gateway to now, which has been a year and four months, I've gone out of body around twelve times or more, even just laying in bed, just relaxing and poof, you know, or a huge acceleration of pre cognitive thoughts like I'm thinking something and it pops up on the TV or on a video game, or you know, a friend texts.

and then boom, he calls me. Stuff like that has ramped up since since Gateway, So I know I'm not the same. I know I'm a better man than I was in the sense that when I went to that place, I had a complex. I had a complex from childhood that I always had that my dad and brother were special because they were there on the Cape Fit River and I was not, and that my dad could remove you and do all these things, and my sister was an ord magnet, as my dad always said, and you

know all this stuff. But nothing happens with me. Nothing goes on with me. I don't have esp My sister goes to the institute, she's going out of body. Nothing happened to me. That was my thoughts. Nothing happens to me, nothing goes on with me. I'm nobody special. And then I went to Gateway, and in my intake interview I even told Maya, I'm like, you know, she's saying, what are your intentions? I'm like, I don't know. I think this stuff is great. My sister's been here, my dad's

been here. I know it's real, but I don't really think I have any of these capabilities. I believe in out of body travel in theory, but I don't think it's possible for me and all this stuff. I'm like, I don't know. I just have an open mind and whatever happens happens. And I'm not like, you know about anything, like I don't really think I'm capable of any of these things.

So I was like, you know, whatever happened to happen, I'm not stressed about it. I don't even believe I can do these things, and then you know, the third day, I'm like, oh crap, I just popped out a body, you know what I mean. It's like I didn't I didn't think this was real for me. It was honestly a huge existential shock really, like after that happened to me. I tell this story on my episode with Emily Thomas.

I don't know if you've if you've heard it or anything, but we had Emily on and I tell the story because she talked me through it. I kind of come to her and secret at lunch and I'm like, you ever see the meme of Matthew McConaughey where he's smoking cigarette and his eyes really wide. That was me. I was like, oh my god. I was like, Emily, I'm really kind of freaked out right now. And she passed me on the shoulder and she's like, you're okay, this

this happens all the time and it's totally normal. And I was like, Hey, this is normal. You're right, this is normal. No, I'm fine, You're right, this is normal.

it profoundly changed me. It wasn't one moment like you asked, what was the thing that there was no thing it was. It was tons of things. It was a seeking quints of events unfolding to where I came home and it's like I'm laying in bed, I'm like, oh, my third eyes Paulson, and then whoosh, I'm seeing a past life and I'm out of body, and then all these things just happen and I'm not like trying to do these things, they just happen. So, yeah, I came back a changed person.

I came back more smiley, h more more hopeful about the future, more connected to myself, more motivated to empower others. When I went to Gateway, I was at a point we were in the show three years. We have been doing the show three years, and I was at a point where I'm like, I love the show, I'm grateful to do this, but this isn't enough for me. I don't want to just talk at people for the rest

of my life. I have to do something more. And then poof, I get invited there and you know, I start having these incredible experiences and then next thing I know, I'm in class.

is my life this way? It's because you're the one holding it in place that way, and you learn that you don't have to hold that in place, and then you go, oh, there you are, and that now has a place for an or an outlet to be expressed.

And this is the beautiful part is you are extraordinary as Ryan, and Alex is extraordinary, very extraordinary as Alex, and you are now very simply being the unique perspective that no one has, no one else that and the world is begging for unique and authentic experiences and the only way that's going to happen and is if we

can truly recognize that authentic expression. And this is what I see when I witness participants do the exercises, feel confused, feel like they don't understand, or they just frustrated, all the different you know, this spectrum of experiences that I am privileged to see, and I hold those all sacred

because they're unique to each person. And it's so incredible to watch the realness appear in each of those participants' eyes, yes, and the joy they have, and even if they are frustrated, even those participants who leave frustrated, there is a different glimmer and they come to me or they say to me or send an email and say, you know, I know this didn't happen, but I'm so excited about doing this now. Yeah, and that's how the world's going to change. Yeah,

one person at a time. If we if we can all change as individuals, the whole world changes.

do your Monroe exercise? You know what I mean? Like, it's it's the thing, it's it's it's just amazing curriculum that you know in theory, if if everyone learned these techniques, would would their their total self would unfold more, which you know, what is your total self? Well, A part of that includes your multi dimensional nature. A part of that includes the extrasensory perception that you were born with, and it's your birthright because it's a part of your being.

You know, a part of your total self includes being able to have precognitive thoughts or you know, to be able to remote view or all of these things. This is not just some funky stuff that people are into. No, this is inherent with each one of us because we are It's normal, yes, because we are more than our physical body. Right, this isn't just some like extra thing that a chosen few get, right, No, this is who we are. Right. And I totally see a future where

this process is so refined. And it's already refined. But it's a curriculum, you know that. I just think that. I think it's gonna be ubiquitous. I think, as you know, it's like Xavier School for the gifted or Hardwarts. It really is that thing, you know what I mean. And it's it's the best one I've found.

Follow their instructions, don't change it, don't turn it into what you think it should be. Just try it this way. Just try it this way, engage it the way they say, and if it works, great. If it doesn't, now you know, find something different, go to the next exercise, go to the next thing. But it's again the tools that you learn and you practice them and don't expect it to work instantly, not saying that it can't, but give yourself

a little bit of grace. You're learning something new. Yeah, you wouldn't try to teach a child something, and if they didn't do it the first time, you're not gonna be upset with them. No, you just say no, try it this way. Yet, we as adults, we don't give ourselves that flexibility. We place these, you know, unrealistic demands on ourselves. And so just follow the instructions, symptoms systematically, do the exercises, and then watch it unfold. Yeah, watch it.

But this individual, she was she went to Gateway this summer and didn't feel like she really understood it. It's very cool, I love this, but I feel like I'm not really doing anything, you know what I mean. A couple months go by, she came and did my first program, which was two weekends ago, and she in two days. And it's not because of me, right, it's because of the work she did. Just talking about how you were saying it can unfold later, you know, everybody's on a

different path. But at the six days and then coming and doing the two day program of me, it was just like boom, like the floodgates opened and started having all these profound experiences and it was like she was

able to understand the Gateway more. And then you know it was like all that prep work had been established so that by the time she came and did a re up on it, which is, you know, the program we do is exploring Consciousness, which is you know, kind of like the first two days of Gateway with some alterations. So it's like she, Okay, I've done this stuff before for a week. Now this time I have a little

bit more understanding to it, and she just soared. And everyone's different, you know, some people like me, for example, I got the Gateway and I was just like, oh my god, I'm in and I was just like on it the whole week, and it's just having so many experiences and so many profound developments and realizations. And then some people, as you know, they're like, yeah, this is really cool, but I just feel like I'm not really doing they're not really getting it, and then they go

back and it's like boom. It's it's just amazing how the path is different for everybody. You know what I'm trying to say, I'm trying to keep it vague, to not divulge, you know, up front about certain things that should be experienced, but it's just amazing. It's it's amazing how everybody's on a different journey and it's individual.

that means. You know, you guys, what's your favorite one to do? And you best shared hers and I said, well, I don't know that I have a favorite one, but the one that I always return to is the one that we learn on the first day of Exploring Consciousness

and the first day of Gateway. And it's the fundamental exercise that all the Monroe programs and all of the curriculum is built upon, And it's knowing how to really deeply relax the body but still maintain awareness and have your mind to be awake, because that's where the work happens, both intentional and also even passive work to really sort of unplug from the body and or just allow it to just to be at rest and.

in the work. And so coming back to your participant, she had done the work, yeah, and then you guided her through this and she engaged it intentionally she was ready. And that's what I said at the beginning, come to it, wanting that change to like truly authentically wanting to that change and being ready to accept it and surrender to it and say, you know what, I really am ready, And that's when the real fun stuff starts to happen. M h.

that we're all one. Yes, then I would simply say, then what you're doing to your neighbor, you're doing to yourself. If you don't like it, change it. And it starts one by one because people are doing atrocious things to one another and they don't realize when your life is unhappy, why are you experiencing unhappy? Why are you experiencing pain? Why are you experiencing misery? Well, what is it that you're doing to others, even in subtle ways, that ultimately

you're doing to yourself, Because we're all one. So I would say it would be so beneficial for you and everyone around you to realize that and to accept that as a personal truth that we're all connected, and that you are treating yourself that way, And if you don't like it, start treating other people in service and in love and in giving, and that becomes the nature of your experience in life.

If I can think about you know, sex y z thing and it happens, and there's some level of reality being altered just by me thinking what's happening to other people when I think about them on the subtle level or energetically. You know, what's happening when I direct my thoughts towards another person. So maybe I shouldn't think so negative and judgmentally about this person.

you're having and you make me sick. Well, if you could manifest those words instantly, I think you'd be very cautious about saying that anymore.

that for me was very negative. Not something I did, but something that kind of happened to me, right, And I was so upset about this. I was just like, it makes me sick, it makes me sick, Like this makes me freaking sick. I got the flu for a week. That week, just in a matter of days, I was bedridden with the flu. I remember I was so sick that I watched an entire sixty to seventy Arc of One Piece, I had to say that, Yeah, you did

an entire sixty to seventy episode of arc. But that's true story though Arc of One Piece laying on the bed because I was sick with the flu. So I think you're absolutely onto something.

being accepting of others, loving, We're not all perfect. We're not going to do it all the time, but be careful about wanting to be able to manifest on the spot, or at least begin to be more aware of how you think because you are that powerful.

to different intelligences. All kinds of things are happening. And at the end of his third book, it's really incredible, he goes to what he perceives to be the year

three thousand. And I'm not going to go into extreme detail because it's like a whole chapter or two, but essentially he sees a world where the physical body is an experience and it's like our primary existence is not even the physical body anymore, but it's just like thought and energy, and it's like, hey, you want to go hop in a body real quick, and we can hang out and like eat apples and just experience being physical for a little bit. Sure, and they just pop in

a body and they can just manifest with thought. They can just travel through the power of their mind, and nobody's hungry, nobody's like in poverty, and people literally just think and it occurs and I do think that's possible.

I do think that's our future. I really do. I think things like levitation, manifesting through thought, all of that is real, and I suspect that there was some precursor humanity maybe if we want to talk about like the whole Atlantis thing, I'm just saying the concept like I think, I think that's probably what we were, and then we've

been evolving back up to that point. I think that's the cycle of humanity every time that that's where it goes at the next like branch off point past physical evolution. And I think exactly what you just said, you nailed it on the head, which is like, be careful about wanting to manifest on the spot. And I think that's

part of how we evolved to that point. Is it's not just a biological evolution, but it's spiritual and that has to do with us becoming more and more and more loving and kind and pure so that these powers. Let's just say, if this was real and we manifested with thought, then that's why society was probably wiped out because people are thinking really bad thoughts, you know, boom boom boom, devastating the land, sink them beneath the ocean,

you know, wiping out humanity, cataclysm. That's why we have to think good thoughts. We have to think good you know, good words, good thoughts teach. We have to be kind to other people.

because that idea I had to come from somewhere. Did somebody just conjure it up, like, oh, this is going to be new or is it something? It's a part of our DNA that's remembered. And I think a lot of the work that we do is about remembering. And I think it's a lot it's important to remember what in who we are because we've never changed. The core of what we are was always this, but the experiences

have changed, evolutions or destruction or construction of things. Is it the future or is it really a remembrance of something that already was?

you know what I mean. Humanity's headed somewhere and it's inevitable. And I think the way to get to that destination is, like what you said, which was, you know, be kind, remember we're all one, be loving to other people. We can't be bestowed. My friend Dan told me this, Dan Brulay. He said, the universe cannot or the universe will not give you powers until you are ready to wild them.

You can't just have the power to do anything you want with your thoughts because then if you're you know, an egotistical, self serving person, you might you know, do some bad with that. And I really do think that these sort of abilities that can unfold from us from our psyche, you know, that they're kind of locked behind a little door. And the way to unlock that door spiritual path kindness, you know, purging your karma, walking on you know, a path of service to others, uplifting others,

you know, bringing up humanity. Right, And I could go on and on and on and on about that. But that's why I love Monroe, because it's on that path.

the curriculum of of Monroe will be ubiquitous. It'll be everywhere. Hey, I just got done practicing too, but great, do your prep processing, you know what I mean, come on ten minutes or something like that. Like it's gonna be everywhere common, whether it's said exactly yeah, common, and and it's it's like gonna just be so ingrained in humanity. There's there's

really a magic here. But the magic isn't us. It's just a you know that the curriculum of Monroe is a really good teacher to pull the magic out of you that's already there. And I'm telling you, I went to that place with a complex and I had myself locked into prison, and I came out of that self with my limiting beliefs completely eradicated and just going down a completely different path, you know what I mean.