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Welcome married Body Christmas time?
Is he really no? We were just singing it before we started. Yeah, we were. We were kind of that's true to it. Me and Alex were singing it. We were not only I was a part of it. You were. We were harmonizing. How creative we weren't it weren't. It's how creative our creativity has bloomed. Yeah, since four five, four months, Bro, if.
You really think about it, it actually has Whoah for sure it has. No I mean like if you just look at the show and what's happened since then?
What are we talking about? Creation Station? Ah? He said the name of the episode. Yeah.
So the reality is we did the Monroe Institute Creation Station program four months ago, and we have been so incredibly busy that we finally have the time.
To Is that not insane? Like we did this four months ago. It worked. We needed we needed time to digest it and figure out what it all means, you know, But we did four months ago we did a virtual Monroe Retreat.
Shout out to Ignacio DIA's what a legend beautiful human being, an amazing soul and honestly, the timing of this is perfect. I was thinking about this today and yesterday, like, what crazy timing because this weekend we're going to go be at Monroe together, or not just weekend, but for a whole week, you know, And that was not planned or anything like that.
It's just coincidental timing. But what a blast. Yeah, So just.
A little bit of background before we talk about what it was like and the things that we experienced. Ignasio. If you go back to the if you're a longtime listener and you go back to the three apart Monroe series that we did last summer where I had gone there for the first time, and you'll hear a little bit more detail about this and the Gateway experience and
more or less what that process is like. And Ignosio is someone who was there with me during that trip and we met, we hit it off and became really good friends, and we got to scheming over the next like six months, literally six months, and next thing you know, we were having a private BSS event. So it was a program that or it is a program that was
created by Ignosio. He is a trainer there and the music director there and just an amazing guy, and he offered to us a private only our crew an attendance event virtually with him.
So yeah, so it was the whole BSS crew and I mean our wives. I mean obviously Genny's on the crew, and Casey is too, sort of by proxy, she's a contractor. Yeah, she does all the art. She's like a heavy consultant. But yeah, we got to do it with our wives, which was which made it extra special. Yeah, it really did. Like I mean I thought I was. I was a lot more comfortable having Casey there, and like I was just really happy that she got to experience it too.
It was great because I really appreciated the cadence of the virtual tour with our group because I had come just from being like at a residential retreat.
And yeah just months, just months, about six months. Yeah, yeah, and I had no clue how the virtual experience was going to go. So in my head I was like, not that I was being doubtful or I was being pessimistic or anything like that, but it was just like an unknown to me. I was curious, no way this can be as impactful as you know, being a way. Yeah, And of course I was wrong. Yeah, man, man, it really it really was profound. So Creation Station, the program
that Ignacio created is is that always virtual? Is Creation Station? Yes?
Okay, so it's a virtual as far as I know. I mean, I don't want to I don't want to tell you wrong. I think he's only done it virtually.
Well at any rate. It's a it's a retreat that is specifically geared towards creativity. It's meant for artists, musicians, poets, writers, creators, yes, sir, yeah, just anybody who's creative. Yeah, yeah, create creative in any way. And you know, we didn't really know much about it specifically going into it, Like we knew that it was
about like creation and creativity and art and whatever. But you know, I think it sounds like most of the modules or most of the what do you call him, like the exercises, the courses, the programs, programs, that's the word I was looking for, Like most of the programs. You don't go in with a ton of information. By design, Yes, by design, that's right. But we did know it's like it's okay, it's a creativity thing whatever. And right up front he kind of like one of the first things
that we did. I remember He kind of like asked us what our expectations were or if we had an intention or something that we were bringing into it. Oh, we also did like intake interviews before we did it. We did one on one interviews with Ignacio. It truly cannot be overstated how awesome he is. Oh, I know, it can't be overstated. Sweetest guy, like coolest guy, chillest guy. He kind of reminds me of Yoda. Dude, he's so awesome and like sweet Beard. Yeah, like for real, he's
just he's so cool. He's such an awesome dude.
He just reminds me of Yoda in the sense that he's like really wise, but also like most importantly, he's funny and playful. He is because in your head you think about people like that and it's like, oh, so serious, but then you get into it and it's like no, I mean, you know people that are into these kinds of things, the reality is tend to be really humorous and fun to be around, and you know, youthful and vibranting.
So I just kept getting Yoda vibes.
He always had the perfect thing to say, right, is what you're dealing with or like the experiences that you have are like out there. Yeah, you know, it's not like norm It's not like what you go through every
in the day to day. So when you come back to the group and you're kind of pouring your heart out with these intimate experiences that you've had because very like you know, the inner workings of your mind, and he like just handled everything so gracefully I think, you know, and always was like knew exactly what to say, knew exactly what to say to like let you take that next step. He wouldn't I don't think he would like
push you or hold your hand through it. But he would just maybe ask you a question and prompt you, which would like you would have this or at least I would have this, like oh my gosh, right, and you would kind of open the box yourself.
And lead you to it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And man, one thing I admire so much about him, which is something that I've tried to work on before and I would love to get better at doing. The man is so intentional about everything he says. And you will see him, You'll be talking to him and you'll see him just stop and like just think for a second. Huh. He's not like I've got to respond immediately, like the majority of us just want to just more, just what was the he gave up a word.
He's very intentional about his vocabulary and what he says out loud because it matters, right, so saying things like, you know, even in jest, like oh that's so funny, I'm dying right, No, like you're killing me or you're killing me right, stuff like that. There was a word, and I want to say the word was just it was yeah, absolutely trying to go a year removing the word just from your vocabulary because if you think about it, did it? It's a word that makes you small. It
minimizes the impact of what you're saying. I just wanted to tell you this. You know, so cool to me now he's great.
I mean, like to be clear because obviously we are going to talk about what it was like and the things that we've experienced, but also with the understanding that just so the listener understands that they haven't experienced him in role program, that we can't give certain details about like the nature of the exercises themselves, not because it's a secret, not because it's you know, esoteric and it's heavily guarded or anything like that. But only because if you know the like if I'm.
Trying to think, it's like if you know the punchline before the joke, it's not as funny. It's yeah, exactly, ruins exactly. So if you are ever to want to go and experience these programs for yourself, then knowing the exact functionality of them would ruin the experience.
Right, right, because you'll have an expect Yes, because you'll have an expectation exactly.
That's what I was trying to say.
I was trying to think of a metaphor, so like what we can really focus on is like what we individually experienced.
Yes, and we brought our notebooks that we took notes in the class, so we'll share We'll share our stuff from our notebooks too. Actually, minus downstairs. Do you want to go get it?
I might, yeah if you, But I want to say this quickly first, and you don't have to pause.
I can zip and get it yeah quick, But I can read mine or whatever.
Before we get into it. I will say that. So getting close to that line, without like frontloading anything, I just I want to give this impression so that the listener out there knows the gravity of this program, and like the influence that it had not only on you guys and what you're gonna say, but like even on me having a front loaded expectation of, well, can it
really be a significant as Gateway experience? Not that I was again, it's not that I was being pessimistic, It's that I was so new to all of this Monroe umbrella of programs that I I was going in expecting one thing, which was the thing I had already done. And I will honestly say that this program was very powerful. It was very much on the level and magnitude of the Gateway experience. But the difference is that the focus was different.
Yeah.
So in other words, I went into it thinking how intense can this really be? Just coming off of the Gateway experience, going into it with that mindset, and I left being like, oh my gosh, what a powerful program. This was amazing and I've gained and learned so much from this, you know. So anyway, I just wanted to impress on the listener that.
Like and I had a similar I want to jump off of that, not to beat a dead horse, but while you're running down to get your stuff.
I'm a strength, go for it.
Well, I just wanted to talk about that too, because I hadn't been the Gateway and this was mine nd Nix and our wives' first Monroe experience. But I did have that worry and in my head kind of was like, is this a discounted Monroe experience? Right, because I'm like, you're not going there, You're not.
You know, it's natural thought. I think anybody who's even considering doing these virtual things might be thinking a similar.
Thing exactly, and the reality is so far from that. It is because it's so impressive, it's so much fun, it's powerful. It really is truly very powerful.
Yeah. I mean the material is the same.
Exactly, the base, the frequencies are the same. Yes, it's just like what you do with them is different.
And I can.
Imagine too, it's like I'm in the comfort of my own home, you know. So that's another hurdle barrier for for me for other people, like, oh, you don't have to get used to this new place.
You know.
I'm someone I have a hard time relaxing if I'm somewhere I've never been, right, Yeah, I'm not knocking. I haven't done Gateway I haven't been to the retreat, and Ryan says it's amazing, and you can listen to those episodes. I'm not knocking now, but I'm just talking to my experience and how incredible it was. And and with me and my wife Olivia being in the same house, we were able to separate, so she had her own room, I had my own room. I think Nick, you and Casey did the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, this, and then I was set up in our bedroom. It was really cool. It's funny because I sort of have an opposite experience, like where I'm like, I'm almost too comfortable if I'm in my home. I'm like, you know, I could. It's like when I worked from home, right I had.
I had a negative work from home experience too, Like I just completely The funny thing is I kind of prepared for the weekend like you would prepare for like a psychedelic trip.
Yeah, you felt like. We went it felt like and.
We followed the instructions. We got all of our groceries and stuff before it started. We had a plan as to what was going to happen. And then we went into our separate rooms and I talked to my wife on our lunch break, and at the end of the day, yeah, and do we had we got uh, we sent the dog to be with her mom for the weekend, so like we had zero distractions. It was it was truly incredible.
But I'm curious to see what you guys have written down for day one. By the way, this is a weekend thing, so this was just like Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And obviously we have to be careful what we say because we can't reveal any specifics. But for instance, the first thing that I have written down, I have written down to the top creation station with a bunch of exclamation points. And then day one, Friday, December thirteenth, twenty twenty four, I have accessing the source of creative data
by way of discovering and uncovering. Remember we talked about that creative data was one of the things and the source of creative data was one of the big focuses I would say on this for this program, and the whole premise of it is something that we've talked about on the show many, many, many times, which is that like creativity is like a living force, it's like a it's like there's a source of creativity out there in the universe that can be accessed by artists, and so
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Yeah, I'm going over my notes here and I I'm trying, I'm trying to decide what I want to share it.
I remember I got another. I got another that says, don't put a dam on the well spring of genius. Oh yeah, I I you know, obviously my notes are pretty scattered, but there I wrote down the things that would impact me and things that I knew. When I look back at this, I'm going to remember the context of it, you know. It was it was a big focus on opening that sort of dam up to let the creative energy flow through.
I'm having a hard time reading my handwriting, but I do remember day one, I kept having this ladder come up in my visions and or my meditations. I feel weird saying visions, but that's kind of what resonates with me the.
Most, right. It's a lot of meditations.
Yeah, and then the most interesting part was that night I had a dream and the ladder came back in my dream, and then in the morning, going into day two, I figured out what the ladder was representative of and what was kind of happening.
Very interesting. Yeah, Yeah, So it's a lot of it's a lot of meditation, sort of guided. Some of them were guided meditations, some of them were not guided, but they were pretty much all using frequencies. They were pretty much all using like binaural beats or frequencies or some combination of those that were all very wow, very spacey, very profound, very like you like they turn on and within a minute, you like your body starts feeling different.
So let me just say this because I'm not sure if you guys said it while I was down there or if we had discussed this, like if I could try to make it a little more clear. So when you go to the Gateway experience, which is like the flagship kind of one oh one Monroe program, the purpose there is to like open that gateway into this realm of being, you know, sensing things more or less with consciousness or expanding awareness, you know, expanding your perception and
your sense of self. So it's things like you know, dabbling in remote viewing, dabbling in energy to an extent, energy manipulation in a very basic way. Because then all of these things that I've that I'm going to go into, they have deeper programs that like once you complete certain prerequisite programs, you go really deep into these other things.
So like in Gateway, there's a whole match box of things that you explore, like going out of body, remote viewing, like I said, energy conversion or manipulation, and it just goes on and on, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Right, it's like a whole mixed bag of things, but really the driving premise of it all is like expansion of self. It's about trying to bring yourself or more or less your awareness into yourself, like expanding to be a more clear
and complete version of yourself using all of these psychic tools. Right, So, like you go to Gateway and it's like a catch all, like just kind of striking that match and activating this.
Side of yourself.
I guess you could say more simply, Yeah, so it's very POWERU Yeah, so you go deep. Well, then you go to Creation Station, and the driving premise of this two and a half day program versus the six days at the Gateway experience, it's using a lot of the same frequencies, doesn't necessarily go as high because it's only two days, so it's using a lot of the same frequencies, but the focus is more along the lines of creative intelligence. So it's just that these programs are completely different in
their intention. So the impact and the the I guess you could say, like the you could say the psychic nature of it. If that's like, I know that's very much simplifying things, but I'm just trying to put it in Layman's terms for people that haven't done any of this stuff very much on the same plane.
But the goal is different.
So anyway, this is all that's why it's called creation station. It's all about that creativity. When you started talking about pulling, don't put a dam in front of a wellspring of genius, I was like, yeah, that's pretty deep. We should probably Yeah, you know what, what what did we do?
What's it about? So yeah, I made it a point to like write down all of the thing because my memory is terrible. It's always been so terrible, and so I wrote down everything I felt was significant. I'm gonna I want to just share a couple of things from Friday, just a couple of things from our first day. Three hours. It was three hours. Yeah, Friday was just it was like one it was introductions, orientation, and then like one
main meditation. Right, So I'm not gonna say what we did the the actual steps of the meditation, but I'll tell you what I saw in the meditation, because sometimes I actually saw things during the meditations, which for me is rare, very rare that I see things in my mind. I wrote, I saw myself trying to force my soul and body apart and break two square shackles holding my spirit and body together, and I felt my spirit wanting to float up. The new energy in me was sparking
like lightning and glowing like flame. I saw things slightly more vividly than I have before. I made note of that because, like, again, it's not the thing that happens a lot. So that was during the meditation. And then I'll just go ahead and I'll read my dream that I had that night. Yeah, it was weird, but then it was also extremely profound, which again and also dreaming also rare for me. I dreamt very vividly and woke up many times throughout the night. I remember that it
was like very restless. This was all that energy, you know. The night also felt incredibly and abnormally long. I don't remember much of my dreams, except that in one I was drugged by Jesse Pinkman and called nine to one one uh. And then my other dream because I was just like tossing and turning. My other major dream that I had, I was in a class with a lot of Native Americans around a fire in traditional garb, and
I was playing native instruments with them. I remember not exactly knowing the instruments or how to play them, but the Native Americans were impressed by my natural ability. I strangely also remember thinking in the dream, I have to remember this, it's significant, And I do remember one of the instruments. It was crazy. It was like a very skinny,
long wooden wind instrument. But when you blew through it, this scrolled up paper that was like scrolled and like wound up on it would like completely unfurl into these like spirals, and the spiral would change size and speed depending on the pitch of the instrument that was being played. It was really really like abstract and tantalizing. Yeah, so that was Friday for me. That's significant. So obviously you were sick last week when we recorded with Mally. Unfortunately, Yeah,
I'm so sad I had to miss that episode. A major theme of that conversation was about the fire. Like, for example, Molly is a member of a regional burning Man group. So apparently I had no clue about this, but Burning Man has chapters all over the world. Wow, there's not just one burning Man. There's a main one that's famous and everyone knows about it, but there's like many communities around the world that gather and do their own thing at various times throughout the year. And there's
one in the Triangle area. Damn, yeah in the woods somewhere out there. Yeah, whoa, Yeah, it's in the woods. One of her paintings, the one that Genny showed you earlier, yeah, two days ago, that that's of the event. I would it's not an actual event. I literally told her. I was like, it looks like a festival. It is.
It's burning man but it's a local burning manure. So anyway, so we we covered that quite a bit in her conversation, and it was like all about that, and she was explaining the significance of the fire and how she feels. That's why when her first painting of us, do you remember when Alex and her were at the heart, just like.
I remember the painting it. I have it hung up in our office.
They're around a fire, Yeah, Because what keeps coming through to her is the significance of souls bonding over a fire, like the way, Molly, you should go back and try to find that after the episode is published. It really correlates to your dream perfectly, Like the notion that whether the fire is physical and it's in a pit in the ground and we're sitting around it, or it's just us in the room having this chat, and there's a
metaphorical fire in the center, right. Yeah, that the energy that we're sharing is the fire.
Yes, that's like low key kind of like a pow wow, like an actual Native American pow wow. That's sort of the belief of that as well, if I'm not mistaken.
So it's like your dream reminded me of that, Like, maybe that's cool if I could psychoanalyze this. Not that I'm a professional or anything, but just what jumped out at me was that you start doing this program, You've had all these thoughts in your head for six months or even longer really years about like this monroa thing and what it is, and now you're finally doing it.
You're getting the weeds and you.
Be gone, and it's starting to move that energy the process has initiated. And that dream, to me was like, maybe it's symbolic, maybe it's flash of a past life, doesn't matter. It was real, nonetheless, and it's like the work that we were doing was no different than those natives sitting around the fire playing their instruments. The spiritual transmutation, you know.
Yeah, yeah, that's cool, especially in the context of Molly's episode. I was like, wow, that's pretty deep. Yeah, you should run it back if you get the chance. And I'm listening for her episode. It's not out at the time of recording this, that's so it's like, I'm very excited that. Yeah. Yeah.
So it's interesting though, because I'm piecing together what I wrote on that first day, and it's all kind of about friends, and that's kind of what I gathered with this ladder. So in one of my visions, I stole a ladder, and I think that like someone was using the ladder and I went up and took it and remember walking off with it, and then the person that was there like sort of getting upset with me that
I took the ladder. And then I dreamt about a ladder, and when I woke up, I realized that the ladder was like all of my friendships that I've had, because at this point in my life, people are growing up like outside of you guys obviously are my friends, but the friends before you guys are all moving across the country and starting their own jobs and families and whatnot. So everything's getting pulled apart, and I think all of this was just a subconscious grab at, like where are
my friends going kind of thing. Yeah, it's really interesting, but that's the other element to the fire, you know, without the friends around it, it's just a fire. And that was your dreamer, that was one of your experiences. So my Monroe vision was stealing the ladder, okay. And then later on that night I had a dream that there was a ladder in the water. I was on a boat trying to pull a ladder out of the water.
Yeah, that's interesting.
And then thinking about it upon waking up before day two kind of pieced it all together.
Okay, interesting. Yeah, this is really the first time that I've like read this stuff back since creation stage.
I had a dream that night, but it was like a very vivid dream that I was with a crowd of people as always, and I saw a plane.
It was like.
A plane appeared in the sky and then it turned into an orb and then it just like shot off and the crowd was freaking out, like showing that they're magical and they can transform and do whatever. But it was vivid enough for me to write it down because I have dreams kind of like that all the time, and I don't write it down. So other than that, the dream I had that night got Now, the actual experience I had Friday was when I focused on my reball, which I talked about that in the three part series.
You guys can run that back and you'll learn what that And then I did my energy conversion box. When I got to that point, it burst into psychedelic fractals, which is interesting because we are just laying there meditating, listening to noise, not doing hallucinogens or anything, and this is like crazy how vivid this was. But the energy conversion box just burst into psychedelic fractals. And then I
went like really deep into this. I don't want to say like trance is not the right word, but it kind of comes across like I just I went really deep and almost like I clicked out or I kind of was just like not aware anymore because I was so deep into meditation. And then it was like lots of time past was the feeling that I had, and it was really only a few minutes. That was just like the first exercise or the second exercise.
The time war, Yeah, it was a time war was crazy. Yeah, I mean how some of it, oh, would.
Feel so short, and some of them would feel so long.
It was crazy. Some that were twenty minutes would feel like an hour, and then some that were forty minutes would feel like ten minutes. Yeah, it was. That was very weird. You never know, like I never knew. I never got comfortable knowing like, Okay, this is gonna feel like roughly this long because they were so like such different experiences that they felt so profoundly different. It was really cool. You want to move on to Saturday? Yeah, yeah, I had trouble on Saturday, did you. Yeah? How so.
Some of them were really good and some of them I just had a very hard time, like getting into the groove of the actual meditation. So I mean to kind of put that into more perspective, is I stayed very like surface level, Like I stayed very close to the top. And I know that makes sense to you guys. I'm just trying to make it make sense. I also, I have here For the first one, we did fractal colors,
very sharp fractals. Yeah, abstract, very abstract stuff. I did see some angelic stuff sort of towards the end of this first one, but all very kind of abstract surface level. For that first meditation we did.
It was pretty abstract for me too. I so I wrote down first I was the lion again, I was I was a lion and hunting with Casey. My lion is we were lions in the in the savannah hunting together, I remember, yeah, And then I like and then I looked up and there was a spaceship in the sky and it was freaking Paula Trades and so I like zipped over my consciousness like zipped over there. And then I was observing the planet Proximus and tari B or what I understood it was, and the downfall of a
great kingdom on that planet. And then it went back to me and Casey as lions and we were just like cuddling and loving each other. That's awesome. That was the first meditation that we did. That's what I saw, like the symbolism of the lions too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting, mister Leo, Right, it's it's interesting. It's never been like an animal that I particularly was into or like felt that I related with, But in that moment, I just like I was a fucking lion and me
and Casey were both lions. It was it was crazy. Yeah, I do love the Lion King. Oh, I know, I always love the Lion you know. That's like that's that was like my og favorite Disney movie.
Man, I'm just like getting a quick flash of these these notes and I'm like remembering a lot of this for the first time.
I know, Yeah, it's really cool.
It's it's honestly wild reading it back, I guess this is why they make you do it.
Yeah. Yeah.
So on that first exercise on Saturday, I saw flashes of light but my eyes were closed and I was wearing a blindfold. And also there were multiple times where throughout the weekend where I would begin to see around me, like eyes are closed, I have on a blindfold, and I started to see the fabric on the blindfold and then start to see through it and see the room around me with my eyes closed. And I was like,
this is trippy, kind of like mind sight stuff. But it just it just happens, and it's it's very sudden. I felt like I went to another planet.
Wow.
And then I kept getting this throughout the weekend. It happened Saturday, and I believe Sunday as well, this this imagery of a portal opening up and the phenomenon or the beings whatever you want to call them, coming through the portal. I kept seeing computer screens and vivid color, and I again I started to see the foam of my eye cover with my eyes closed, and I saw the image of Anubis, like the dog a Nubis. It was like a Nubis flashed. And then all this stuff
started happening. I started seeing flashes of light in the foam on my my cover and started to like see a computer screen. And then I saw a portal and the beings like coming through it, and I saw beings in the ocean and all kinds of crazy stuff, and I was like, wow, this is trippy.
Yeah anything, Alex, Yeah, going into that.
Next to follow this frustration trend for me the next meditation we did on day two, I have written down frustrated, fighting to let go at every turn, and then swimming. And then next to swimming, I have a picture of like jaws, like the jaws coming out of the watery.
Eyes opened. Many times. I was drawing pictures too. I got a picture of a lion.
Yeah just sure, yeah, eyes open, white whirlpool in third person I have written down.
I don't really remember these. I remember being.
Very frustrated though with the first two, and uh, Ignacia was really cool about it, but he was like, yeah.
Completely normal.
I'm just like, dude, I am struggling because the first one was so easy. Yeah, and then waking up the next day and hopping into it, I'm like, yeah, no, not working.
I felt some resistance too, I wrote actually on that I also struggled with the second one, but it was like I would struggle and then I would get so frustrated that I'd be like, hmm, and my version of rebelling was just to chill, which would make me start to actually like right, I was trying to force the chill yeah, right, right, right, and so it wouldn't I like, am too dumb to even do that. I was just mad. And but for the second one, I wrote, I actually
pretty interesting. Well. The first thing that I wrote was I feel I never fully surrendered or separated from my self slash identity, so like that was one of the first things. But I did have visuals. I saw strange shifts of light and fractals, but my thoughts were raucous with doubtful. My thoughts were racers with doubtful thoughts that I may never achieve oneness or reignite, ignite the spark
of creativity within me. At one point, I imagine the spirits of everyone in the class putting hands over me and my spirit using a spectral key. Oh, putting hands over me and my spirit and using a spectral key to unlock the block in my soul. White light shot out from my physical head and connected with the rainbow colored field of creative energy surrounding the earth. This comforted me slightly, but the lonely and doubtful thoughts were still there.
I did, however, feel nice and relaxed and hopeful that though I may not feel it now, some change took place. Nice. Yeah, because we did four. I think we did four. I have four different Saturday and Sunday. Yeah, yep, no, oh yes, yeah, and there each about an hour. Yeah. I'm just like in shock reading back some of the stuff. I mean, I guess I guess it's.
Good that it took us so long to do it too, because it's like processing life goes on. But I also wanted to say to address the comment that you both had about like struggling to relax into it and go with the process. At the Gateway experience, they teach you in depth over the first two days how to do that.
How to do what well, just the the like break through the well not no, not breakthrough, but like the the protocol of getting into these states efficiently.
Whereas you have less time here, so you you more or less are just you're you're going off to the races. So the good news is there's there's another program where this this can be learned really easily, like the relaxation phases, how you go through relax the different parts of the body, focusing your mind on certain things. And but it seems like you were able to do it pretty naturally. It's just about relaxation, that's all.
Listen, just let's just we're just gonna share whatever we feel like sharing. So we jump into the third one. Uh we can. Yeah, I'm ready if y'all are.
The second exercise, the third exercise we talked about the second one, No, I can run through it.
Yeah.
So I I saw myself across like multiple perspectives and lifetimes. I kept seeing visions of a computer screen and bledsoe said, so, like growing and growing and growing and growing and growing because of an energy shift taking place in the world.
And it's like I saw myself expanded as the entire universe, and then also the perspective shifting to where there I could see the creative intelligence that's inside everything, like seeing from the perspective of everything, YouTube videos and computer screens just flashing and BSS just growing and growing and growing, and the impact being larger on the world. And there was this knight in armor with his sword like pulling my vision along so that I could see other things
that I needed to see. And I felt the desire to fulfill creative impulses and create things and create things. And then I felt or I saw passing through the mouth of a shark, and I saw a shark in the water, which is interesting because you sent a shark to the group, Alex.
Oh, that's what the shark drawing is.
Yeah, yeah, you were like thinking about sending a shark to everybody, and I like shockingly passed through the mouth of a shark and then I saw a shark in the water swimming.
Yeah, nice shark.
Now, when I say sent to the group, in other words, there's this unspoken thing where we're all like not telling each other. But we're visualizing and focusing on sending imagery to the other ones because we're all meditating at the same time.
It's a regiment right to the same sounds.
Yeah, with the same protocol. And it's just crazy because multiple times throughout the weekend, one of them us or multiple of us would think about, hmm, I want the whole group to see this, and then some of us actually.
Would, right, And I think this that door was really unlocked at this time. Yeah, like because I think after this, I started kind of making a point in every meditation to try and send somebody something, right, just because I thought that's cool as shit.
Yeah, it's pretty cool. Okay, exercise three, Sure, yeah, yeah, you want to go for it, Alex, Yeah, I have.
The first thing I want to share is I have this drawing and to me, the drawing is it says brain. So the I guess the brain produces the thought and the mind has to catch and process the thought mm, which I'm struggling to make sense of now. But it's something that I just kind of came out of and scribbled down. I had a lot of interesting, like kind of ideas pop up as I was getting more relaxed. I do have very relaxed written down here, So at
this point it did start to click for me. And then this is where the motorcycle riding through the air started.
Oh yeah, I began. I forgot about that.
I began riding my motorcycle on air like around the city, and I've like remember vividly looking down, like I made a point to ride to the beach and all of the roads that I would ride over on the way to the beach, and I'm talking like what five hundred six hundred feet in the air like way up there looking down and like passing over the beach and going to this end of the beach and the rock Jetty and everything, and like in vivid detail looking down, and
I think I took Olivia with me. And then I have Purple Skytrain written down here, which I think is a.
Sounds like may have.
Been may have been inspired? No, we listened to a space train? Is a song we listened to?
Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I think that morphed into like some I'm having a hard time remembering it. And I also wrote down Lumberjack, Alex.
I don't know what that Lumberjack. I don't know what that means new version of Alex dropped. Like that version, I do too. I want to meet him. I didn't write much because it was pretty much one thing that I visualized. But I was back with the Native Americans and we were around the fire again and we were playing the instruments, but this time, after a while, I became all of the instruments and the music was erupting out of me. Uh. And then afterwards, I put many
notes of inspiration into my backpack. That's all I wrote for the For the third one, it was like I was it was I remember it, like it's crazy reading all this stuff because I'm actually remembering mm hmm what I was seeing, you know, And like I remember being around that fire with those Native Americans, and it was right back to playing the music again, but this time, I like, for after a minute, I like literally became the instruments and I could feel like the vibration of
the music coming out of me and stuff. And then it's like I went back into my body and was like that was cool, and like wrote down notes that inspired me and then put them in my backpack. In your experience, yeah, oh wow, right, it's meta. It was very meta and then and then I came out, you know, and then wrote it down here, so it's like layers. Wow, yeah, interesting, what about you? Well? What you got for the third exercise? I I'm trying to think about a word.
I could feel more or less that I had like solar plexus trauma, and I could just feel like sadness and pain over a mix of lifelong experiences that had been building with all this stuff and the treatment my dad has received most of my life because of this stuff. And I saw like an energetic, glowing form of myself, but it was like a butterfly like transformation, like going through a transformative process.
This is what I wrote.
I'm not sure if this makes sense, but I saw a psychedelic, fractal scape of the beings of light, and they told me they had been preparing me for this time, and they are coming into our world. They said to stay humble, and then I saw a portal open up and they came through the portal into our world. And I was like interesting because while this was going on, it was either that week or like a week later or even less, that all the drone stuff was happening worldwide,
and it was just like blowing up. It was blowing up right, And even since then there's been a huge shift and it was a heavy experience. M But yeah, I do remember that one pretty That's the one I remember them like, thinking back on this Creation Station weekend, that's the one that that I remember stuck with you. Yeah, like you think about a whole weekend or a whole week or whatever, of.
Yeah, something sticks out. There's one that one or two things that jumps out. This is the one thing that I definitely have one. It was on our last day.
But like when I think about Creating Station, this is the thing that I remember. That experience was so heavy and profound to me.
Just to just to front load, I didn't have I didn't really. I wrote stuff down for the fourth for the fourth meditation, but it's all like directly like spoiling the meditation. Yeah, yeah, so I'm not going to read this from the fourth one. I did just say that I felt lighter afterwards, dude. That is at the top of my page.
No feeling lighter. And I remember this vividly. I wrote little so little down for this one. I remember, I remember coming out of this meditation and just pure bliss, and I was like I'm not even going to mess around with writ and stuff to because synchronicity a lot of similar experiences. Yeah, we did synchronicities.
Yeah.
I remember coming out of this one and I was like, I'm not writing anything down. I was like, there's nothing, Yeah, there's nothing that would translate, it's just experience.
Yeah. I just ended up writing the actual practice, like what we did. Yeah, yeah, that's what I did, and yeah, I was just like that was awesome. I just wrote that.
I had a realization that the the type of love or treatment that you received throughout your life informs how you treat other people. So it's important to focus on how you treat other people because of that informing the way that they go forth and treat other people.
Yeah. Absolutely, like the.
Cycle that builds based on, you know, how you treat people because of how you're treated, But you can override that, you can become conscious of that, and you can you know, change your path.
That's absolutely Yeah, that's absolutely true, the way that our energies affect one another. But even on the simplest level, Yeah, it's like the golden rute rule, you know, like.
You can be conscious of that and change.
Yes, absolutely, I thought the end of day because this was really sweet. My dream for Saturday, I just wrote the only thing I remember from my dreams is that Emily played me a song and told me she wanted me to know how much she appreciates me. It was sweet and heartwarming. I wrote that. I wrote it was sweet and heart warming. Did you guys have dreams on Saturday? I didn't have one? On Sunday, I didn't write anything down. I didn't have any dreams past the first night. Sunday
I had no dreams. And yeah, the first one Friday was the only like shoe, super vivid one, a crazy vivid one. We're gonna hop into Sunday. Let's do yeah. Good.
Sunday I started hyper focusing on gratitude, and I think, do you guys have anything about gratitude.
On your page? I think that was the gear of that first Okay, yeah, because I literally have one, two, three, four, five, six seven times on this page the word gratitude.
Okay, yeah, so me too. But I continue to run with that through the whole entire exercise. But this the coolest part about this meditation for me was what I interpreted as a past life vision of having a peg Leg. So I kind of was just thrown into this like pirate situation and looked down and realized I had a peg leg and uh even a name that came back with me.
But it as far as like, how I got to interpreting this as a past.
Life was because of the way that the time felt, and it felt like a long time ago, and the meditation felt very, very long. So in talking with Ignacio about that, we kind of came to the conclusion that this was more than likely a.
Past life kind of thing. So yeah, past life, peg leg pirate nice wow. I wrote that I had a hard time focusing or melting away. So I listed all the friends and family that I'm grateful for and the changes I'm grateful for being brought to their lives. I created gratitude for my health, talents, relationships, skills, and loves. I created gratitude for the world's peace. And I felt light and giddy when I was done this.
Giddy.
Yeah, I love man, that's that's my Like, that's that is a superpower, bro It's and sometimes I forget it. But gratitude can really pull you out of the darkest place. Yeah, I can, Like, I mean, I could feel lost. The toughest times in my life. I've just gotten through by forcing myself to list every single thing in the world that I'm grateful for, and within minutes I feel light and giddy. It's definitely magic. It is white magic. It
feels like magic, healing magic. It's like everything that you say that you're grateful for, you feel the way flying off of you. Yeah, and then pretty soon you're like, oh my god, my chest is like light and it's vibrating. Yeah.
But then on the psychological side, it's rewiring your neural connections and just shifting your mindset.
I mean, both both are true. You know that.
That's what magic is. That's what real magic is is. It's also affecting you in a deep psychological way, in a deep physical way, and it's it's really complex. But yeah, I do think gratitude is one of the highest forms of magic.
Literally, yeah, I agree, man, I've experienced it firsthand. It is. It has pulled me from the depths of hell.
I wrote, by being grateful, I create gratitude. I create gratitude. But because I can be grateful, or in other words, to be grateful, I have to create gratitude. So it's like a cycle. Also, by creating gratitude, you're becoming grateful. I felt very lighthearted and grateful, I said, lots of smiles.
I caught myself actually smiling during the meditation. And then yet again, for the third time this weekend, I saw a portal open up in my mind and it was connected to the beings and they put they peered through the portal and said, we are coming. And that was the end of exercise one for me. I think it was a short one, a brief one where we.
Just focused on it felt like that gratitude. Cool. So we're almost at the end here of our entire weekend. We are.
So the next one for me on Sunday was that moment for this entirement row thing that that's stuck with me. So this is I have the most information on this one, but that even the beginning I forgot until I'm now looking at this.
But I wrote down a gorilla.
And monkey mind kind of yeah, I guess, meaning that like this is where I'm at right now. Is in this this like monkey mind of like jumping all over the place right the monkey and then lion don't really remember that, but I also remember being physically hungry kind of at the time of going into this meditation and so pulling on that. Uh no, this was not about gratitude. This was we had to come up with our own and mine was mantra yeah yeah, and I'm just gonna
share mine, yeah, because otherwise it wouldn't make sense. But I ended up going with a I generate unlimited wealth and leaving the wealth open ended, because wealth doesn't necessarily mean money, right, There's a lot other of other forms
of wealth. So going in with that feeling hungry, I ended up in this like jungle oasis, and I remember like kind of coming into this vision and this jungle oasis, it was very like misty, and it was like overcast but all very warm, very tropical, and then being in this saltwater pool, and the saltwater pool was being fed by this waterfall, and you know, we had talked about being hungry in a meditation, I think with the group, and I was like, you know, what would be really
funny is if I ate. So I reached in the water and grabbed a fish and ate it. Oh, I remember, Yeah, And like the physical feeling of being hungry kind of like went away for a little like not. You know, I'm still obviously physically hungry, but my mind was not focusing on that anymore.
So that whole thing went away. And then.
I was like, okay, well this waterfall is really interesting. So I started going up the waterfall, and as I'm going up the waterfall, I started realizing that there was no beginning and that the waterfall was this. And this just came to me as sort of a knowing that the waterfall represented unlimited gratitude, and unlimited gratitude was fueling the unlimited wealth pool at the bottom.
Wow.
So when I realized that, I was like, all right, cool, I've got my answer, and this meditation is still going, so it's time to have fun. And I went back down and I floated in the pool and then I started thinking about you guys. So I had this octopus. I pulled this octopus up out of the pool, and I said, you need to go find Nick. And I gave them all specific reasons to find you guys, and like help you with something, but I can't remember them all. I only remember Olivia's. So I sent the octpus off
for you Nick. And then I pulled this log out above the water and this seahawk. This osprey flew down and sat in front of me and I said, look, my wife's up on that mountain.
You need to go to her.
She needs help, right, So then the osprey, the seahawk flew off and uh. Then I sent a knight in armor to Casey. I said, I remember that too.
She ended up seeing no no, no, no, no no. She went on a journey with you. Yeah. Remember it was like her most profound Yeah. Yeah.
And it was that obviously, something about like you know, the armor there, like protection or or something like that.
And the day before I saw a night in armor. I didn't connect that at the moment. There was a theme there.
So then I sent a lion to Jenny, and I sent my dog to you Ryan, really uh huh. And then I was like, you never got it.
But I got the shark though. Yeah, scary thing. So I just sent I just sent my dog to you.
And then I was like, oh, well, when Juno gets done with you, he can go or she can go to Olivia. And then I think I kind of opened my eyes. It says eyes opened.
But then I put down alignment Egypt.
I think I kind of went back in and ended up going to the Pyramids, but I don't remember a lot of that part, but I obviously wrote it down.
Now. The cool thing about Olivia's.
Is she was kind of going to the same place in every meditation, and this time again she had gone into the meditation and was in the same place and it was like a magic carpet ride under a night sky kind of thing, and she was struggling to get anywhere else from there, right And in this meditation, I sent her the seahawk and she's in the same place and the U and CW seahawk logo appears in her sky, and that triggered something for her to like progress, and
she ended up doing more than just sitting in that one spot for her meditation, so it did help her. So that was the most wild thing to me, and that's what stuck with me. And then the things that went and visited you and Casey, and that was incredibly incredible, incredibly incredibly incredible.
Yeah, on this one, I again didn't have any visions Sunday. I wasn't having a lot of visuals, which is the norm. I just wrote. I repeated the mantra, I am focused, I am driven, I am creative, I am unlimited. After a while, the mantra became automatic, and after a while longer I realized I had stopped the mantra and I was just humming. I remember you saying that, that's all I wrote, resident tuning baby, Yes, I love that, So this still right? Yeah, just skip? You might have because
I may have. I feel like I remember all of those things that you were saying, being like the next one. I thought it was the last one, but maybe not. I mean, so I'm looking at exercise too. Mine is really brief. Had a hard time going to the name of it. I didn't want to be saying the name of the ones. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm on the right one. I may have skipped. I don't know. I'm on the right one.
I wrote them by exercise one, exercise two, exercise three, and then I wrote the mantra under the exercise number. So I had a really hard time going deep at first on this one, maybe for like five minutes or something.
I was just really not relaxed. And I thought about it in that moment and I was like, you know what I'll lose.
I'll use what I learned a gateway. So I did the encoding method to go to focus fifteen. I cannot remember if this exercise was ad focus fifteen, but maybe it was.
I think it was. But for whatever reason, in that moment.
I decided I'm going to go into focus fifteen manually. And when I did that, I saw myself expand yet again to the size of the universe. I did that a day before in a previous exercise. Granted, maybe I shouldn't say that's what happened to me, and it's happened to me before and other exercises.
I'll just say that.
And then it came to me in that state that thoughts are actions and we have to be in control of our actions. In other words, true mastery comes from controlling your thoughts, controlling your thought. Nobody is perfect and can be in full control of the thought, but you know you can try. You can be conscious of this and observe this, because thoughts do have vibrations, they are actions. Even the very things that you think in your mind are an action. On some level, it's a choice, even
though it's a very subtle level of consciousness. Like the game is trying to get to that level, to where you're aware of your thoughts. Even, you know, to the point of shifting them to be more positive and more loving towards others and being in control of our actions. And then I saw myself as a serpent and it was like Kundalini like energy rising.
That was it.
That was it for that exercise for me, it was a very deep one. Cue to an exercise three, which is the one that yeah, this one, Yeah, that's the three yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where we.
Do you have anything for three? Alex? I didn't write them down like that. I don't know. I mean, what's your next experience after the one you just read? If you skip one, just run it back. No, I don't have a lot written down. Yeah. I literally on this meditation, I fell asleep. It was a free flow. There was no real That's probably why there was no track. There was no instruction. It was just show up and do
whatever you want. I yeah, I put. I fell asleep within a few minutes of starting, and then woke up when I heard Casey stirring. After the experience was finished, I like, I heard her in the next room and I was like, oh, whoa, so you clicked out? Yeah, And I looked and there was like three minutes left, I think, and I was just like, I was very disoriented.
So in the last one, Nick, did did you write down something about your eight year old self?
Yes, that was the last one, yes. Yeah.
So that's how I interpreted that. The octopus the octopus right, because I was very intentional about the octopus because it has eight legs.
I remember that your eight year old self. Yeah, and you were like, you're a cool kid. That was the experience that that was my standout every time I think about Creation Station.
And that's the same time he sent you the octopus, and it was and I sent you the octopus with the intention of like, go tell Nick he's doing a great job, or like tail Nick that he's extremely talented or something.
Yeah, I remember you saying that. Yeah, Which so then that means that that that program or that module whatever, that meditation was the standout for both of us. Interesting, so I have anything for three Yeah, I finally had my moment where I send something to the group. You didn't get it, and neither did Olivia. But this was a free flow. It was like do whatever you want.
And I kind of got a little confident and I was like, you know what, I deeply desire to go out of body. So I started using some of the tricks you learned at the Gateway experience. I should they're not tricks, they're techniques, right, yeah, And I start doing one of the techniques there that particularly works for me. Next thing I knew, I was out of my body and I was flying over the ocean, and it shocked me and I like went right back, and I was like, whoa,
it actually worked. But see, the thing is, when you go out of body, at least for me, it's very disorienting because one second you're in your body and then one second you're not, and it's it's almost like you.
Come back and you're like whoa. You know, it's it's very mind altering for sure.
But so I went out of body, was shocked back because I didn't think it would actually happen, and I still had time left in the exercise. So I was like, Okay, well, I want to send something to everyone in the group. So I sent a lotus flower of light, just like focused on a lotus flower, you know, like the kind of unfold like the lotus pedals of the chakra, you know, this very sacred flower. I was like, I want to send it to the groups and into the group, and but I was thinking of it glowing and.
Being of light.
And then I was flashed and my vision like center in my vision with an eyeball of light, and it was like, whoa kind of like the lotus that I was visioning sending to everyone was the iris in the eyes. It flashed to me and it was an eyeball glowing of light like a like a like a third eye. Yeah, but it was like all up in my mind's eye, so to speak. And that was it for that experience that that I had. And then when we got back to the debrief, Jenny saw the lotus and the eye.
Casey saw a lotus flower at the beginning, which is interesting because I didn't send the lotus until later she had already seen it, and I was like, so it just goes into the timelessness, yes, right. And then Alex just saw a flower, which is interesting because before in my mind I shaped it into a lotus. My first thought was I want to send a flower. No, I want to send a lotus flower. Let's be really specific. Make it glow, make it make it glow like light.
And it was just, you know, interesting because everybody got elements of different elements of what I was creating in my thoughts.
You know what I mean. You're manifested different for everybody.
Yes, but every little detail that I had thought about it was picked up on by one of those three, like Alex, Casey and Jenny. And then dang, there was something else. I was going to go back on something, but I can't. Oh, I wrote this down the day before. No, no, I'm sorry.
This was the same day.
I wrote it down before this exercise actually, which is interesting because I didn't pick up on this at the time, but right before we started this exercise, this is what I wrote down. The present is a gateway to the timeless. I think that, Yeah, that must be something that we were told to write.
I have written. Yeah.
But what's interesting is, right, see, we're doing so many exercises. We're not like going backwards at that time and being like, let me read the stuff we wrote.
You know, we're moving forward. We're moving forward.
But looking back on it now, it's just interesting that we wrote that with the intention of, you know, entering this gateway into the timeless. And I had shaped this lotus in my mind, but Casey, I did that at the end of my exercise, and Casey had already seen a lotus in the beginning hers. So it's this timeless interaction here the time really warp.
Kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot of weird time warp beet stuff, right, yeah, and I think we have one little exercise left. Yeah, we're on the last exercise.
Yeah.
I remember that one being fun because I wrote, Wow, yeah, it was profound that one. This is my big standout one. You go ahead. This was basic for me. Okay, So I was in I remember it because this was the only vision I had this day, and it was extremely vivid. I was in this beautiful, lush like spruce forest in the mountains with these just massive, massive spruce tree and I wrote, I became one with the forest. And I sent everyone pine cones. Yep. I think some somebody got
My vision was very limited. I didn't get one. I think maybe a couple people got a pine cone. Case Casey got a pine I didn't get mine in the meditation, right, yeah, right, I could have sworn you got years later, that's right. I remember that was crazy. You'll have to ask Jenny, but I could have sworn she did get one. She did. That's right. And then Casey said that she had a room full of them. She had, Yes, she had a room full of them that sprouted into trees. Yeah, and
they all they all sprouted into trees. Music began to sound in the forest. I became one with the music. I got the sense that my purpose in this world is to bask in the beauty. Wait, no, I got the sense that my purpose is to bask in the beauty of the world. I met an eight year old version of myself and he looked nervous. I told him he was a cool kid. And we held hands and walked through the woods. Then we laid down and took in the forest. And that was it. Wow, But it
was very it felt very profound. So the thing came in the next one. It was in the last one. It was in the last one that we did as then as a gateway to the timeless, right. It was, it was extremely profound. It was it was the feelings, the overwhelming feelings, and like meeting the younger version of myself who looked nervous, and just kind of like being able to reassure him and just chill with him, and and and like be in nature and bask in the beauty of the world. Uh. It was really really and
and there's this like beautiful, almost like sacred frequency. I mean, that's what we're listening to, but it felt like it was coming from the forest. Yeah, and we were just like bathing in it. It was so profound. I remember still how it made me feel. I felt this overwhelming sense of like love and warmth, and like I can still feel it if I think about that moment. Was very, very profound. Every time I think of the Creation Station, I think of that experience that I had.
You know, talking about this stuff and then listening is one thing, but it doesn't come close to the actual firsthand experience for sure, that is being had. And my final experience was nothing worth sharing.
It was just like really nothing.
And Alex, obviously we can dive into yours, but I just wanted to say, like, for people out there, some of these stories might sound like whoa, that's wild, you know, but just a mad and being in that state and experiencing it firsthand without any hallucinogens, without any uh you know, crazy dogmatic practice. Yeah, yeah, nothing, it's just your mind.
Yeah.
And it's like, you know, from any of these experiences you're really there or you know, you're out of your body and you're somewhere else. It's very powerful and it's very surreal. Even reading back on the notebook and then reading some of your words, it's like, wow, this felt very heavy.
Yeah, you know what I mean. It's interesting, like you know it the the frequencies that they've crafted. Uh, they really they really really work, they really do something. Uh yeah, I you know, I had my curiosities, like I wonder if this is how different this is from your standard like binaural beats or like solf Edgio frequencies. But it is very different and it is powerful stuff.
Like seriously, and you're in especially good hands with Agnasio's program because he's one of the guys who like makes it. He's one of the sound signs.
Yeah yeah, I mean for sure, yeah, but he's great. But it like that, those frequencies, it's powerful stuff. Wow, it's powerful. It is very powerful. Yeah.
Did you have anything to report? Well, the last thing I wanted to share is not from a meditation. It's from my final thoughts after we completed the weekend, and my final thoughts were we are special and we have changed the world. Wow, Ignasio is the man.
I was gonna do a quick look at their website. I mean, I don't have to do this now, I guess, but I wanted to see if Creation Station was on their website or more or less like point people to where they could find it.
Well, you know what, man, we are special and we have changed the world, and Agnasio is the man. Yeah, those are all true statements.
Huh.
There's a creation station dot org website. Cool? Nice, interesting.
Yeah, so you can just go to creationstation dot org.
Is it the Monroe thing?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's it's like a website dedicated to this program. So I don't wanna I don't want to like say anything wrong or out of turn here. I'm not sure if Agnasio specifically created this program or if whatever what, but he did train this program because when I look at creationstation dot org here it says it's run by Bob Holbrook and Ignasio. Bob Holbrook is another one of the sound engineers we did the program
with Agnasio, who was a wonderful, wonderful human being. As we said, he's like a brother to me and a friend to our project and what we're doing. And I couldn't recommend doing this program enough with Ignasio, I.
Agreed you were in good hands. Serious.
So you can check out creationstation dot org. Even though it's not the Monroe Institute's official website, it is a Monroe Institute website that's dedicated.
To the booking of this program. Gotcha. So I'm glad I googled it on the spot because I was like, how do I how do I find this? Yeah? So yeah, yeah, it was a profound It was a it was a profound experience. I'm so happy that we did it as a team and we all got to like share our experiences with each other as they were happening. And I do feel like I left with some new tools to help kind of get the creative juices flowing if they feel stopped up. I will also say I don't feel
as blocked creatively as I did before doing it. And I also feel generally like since we did that that I have my disposition has been a little bit better. I feel a little bit lighter and happier. I think the amazing thing about doing this work it's like doing mushrooms, Like it is the the way that I feel after is similar to after doing mushrooms, and sometimes the way you feel during is the same depending on where you're
There were times where I was feeling kind of trippy. Yeah, but the beautiful thing about this work is that it's cumulative, so compounds. Yes, Yes, the more you do it, the more it compounds. I'm very excited to do another Monroe Retreat. Whenever it happens, I'm very excited to do it.
Yeah.
So yeah, that's my closing thoughts, my final thoughts. I'm a piece.
I mean, I can't recommend it enough Agram, You're you, and I am looking forward to going back this week to further my education. And I did do another program recently, but maybe I'll talk about that later.
Cool. Hell, yeah, it was, it was. It was great. It was an honor to do it. And thanks again a million to Ignacia. Yes, the man, the myth, the legend. Uh, we peacing out, were peasing out? All right? Bye, guys, what ut bomies.
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