The weird things happened in the weird All right, this is going to be a special episode. I really don't even know where to again. I've been thinking over and over where do I start, So I'll just go like way back. So back in twenty twenty two, my dad, my sister, and I got invited to the Monroe Institute to go for a private custom program.
It was called the UAP Experienceers Event or something like that, And that was shortly after we started the podcast, and I was like, Dad, I better not go because if I go, then I probably won't be able to talk about it. So I chose not to go. And also I just didn't know that much about the Institute and I wasn't sure like what I was getting into. So I just said, maybe i'll go next time. You guys go this time and tell me what it's like. You let them
be the guinea pigs. Yeah yeah, yeah. Was was that the one that was like put on for your dad? Like okay, yeah, gotcha. So then some time passes and last year, Dad and Emily went to another custom event. This time I didn't have the opportunity to go, and I don't think I'm really at a point to talk much about that one at the moment, but they went. They had an amazing time, and I
was like, Okay, I really got to go to this place. And Dad's manager had a weekend set aside for my whole family to go in May. I think it was May of last year. Yeah, but I think it was May of last year. And for whatever reason, he had something come up family emergency or something and fell through and I just didn't get to go. So long story short, March of this year, I got an email and it was like, we'd like you to come free of charge.
It's the first ever Creator program where people are coming and we're going to allow you to film document, go through the Gateway experience, and then go talk about it. And I was like, there it is. So I admittedly was very nervous. I didn't really know what to expect, and I didn't really have a sense of direction of what to do when I got there, how to even make content in the first place. Like, I had no
idea what I was going to do. I had an idea, you know, film some stuff, but I just kind of was unclear on like the vision and I was just like, I'm just gonna go and it'll unfold as I'm there. So this was like specifically for content creators. Yeah, and is this the first time they allowed people to make content there? Yeah?
Wow yeah, other than it's right, it's the first in history. Because I was thinking, I was like, they didn't do any there was no videos at all of the past, like a couple when Emily went when your dad went, Wow, they've never allowed people to film like this other than a couple of TV crews. That is wild. I was thinking that seeing all the videos and stuff, I was like, I don't think I've seen this content before. This is this is I never even knew what it looked
like. Yeah, not many people have seen that kind of content. And they gave us a full access tour and it was amazing. I'm gonna get to all that. So anyway, so I was very nervous to go, not not because of the institute itself and what I might experience, but I just was a little unsure of like, am I going to live up to
the experience my dad and my sister had. Am I going to be able to make, you know, reasonable content that people will enjoy or you know, kind of this imposter syndrome thing kicking in, but I was like, I just got to go, and whatever happens happens. So to your credit, that is a hard act to follow, right, Yeah, And I've had those thoughts like never even having an inkling of a chance to go, I've thought like, if I ever had the chance to go, like I
wonder if I would have as pro found that experience. Well. Absolutely. I was talking to Ryan in the car just a couple of minutes ago and I was like, yo, man, did anybody that was there did anybody like not have him Monroe experience? And he was like, no, everybody does. That's cool. There are some people I understand that come and they're may be like not quite as into it or maybe their vibe is off, but they still are having experiences. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'll get
there. But anyway, So the crazy part is I left to go to Monroe the day after we finished construction on our house. So you know how that goes extremely stressed. Me and Jenny had been talking about it like maybe this is exactly what I need to kind of like reset the three months of chaos and torture of remodeling this house. So I get up at like nine in the morning on Saturday, day one to make the drive, and it's about a six hour drive, and I'm thinking the whole times from March to
June. When I left, I'm thinking, oh my god, dude, I'm not going to know anybody. My dad and my sister have already been there and have met a lot of these people at the institute, so they already kind of know who I am, but I don't know anybody. I felt like I felt like Harry Potter going to the first day of school, where you know, your story is kind of known about a little bit, but you don't know everybody but your Yeah, you're stepping into this like magical
world. So I definitely had some jitters. And on the way to the institute, I called Dad and I called Emily, and I talked for quite a while with each of them. What do I expect, what's the coffee situation? You know, just this, that and the other, and they they told me everything I should expect, what it's like, what I need, stuff like that. Dad's like, maybe you stop getting some shampoo, you know, because that I didn't. I was like, what do I
even bring? You know? And I stopped got some shampoo and then when I was on the phone with Dad, I said, Dad, I'm gonna be honest with you. I have a secret mission. I'm I'm coming here to go through this experience. But my secret mission is I want everybody at the institute to see the beings because I want everybody's mind to be blown. I want them to be introduced to this. And I think that if that happens this week, it would be kind of a big deal. It would
be historic, you know. And he was like, okay, well, I mean just we'll put the vibe out there and we'll see what happens. So I finally get there and it starts to settle. Okay, this is real. And they check me in and I see four names on the list that I know, and I'm like, yes, I'm not alone. I'm not the kid on the first day of class. And I got there like literally, like four h two. You're supposed to get there at four. I showed up like right on the dot. I was the second to last
person or third last person to arrive, and everybody's kind of talking. There's this big group of people and I didn't recognize anybody except two from the list. And then the last two were the other two that I knew on the list out of twelve people, And right off the bat, I noticed Amy illuminating Joy who's been on our show. Yeah, and we were so excited to see each other, and it was like, oh my god. And
I went to go set my stuff down. We had like two hours to kind of like settle from the time I got there and take a little tour of the facility and still hadn't really clicked yet. I still didn't really know anybody that well. And yes, so I went and I put my stuff in the room and I was like, oh my god, this is crazy. I'm looking at the unit. They're explaining to me the laundry situation,
throw your towels on the hamper, just all these like housekeeping things. And I walk upstairs and I'm just kind of sitting there quietly, like not wanting to barge in, but because of my Southern hospitality, I did go and introduce myself to everybody in the room one by one. Hey I'm Ryan, Hey, I'm right, you know, just just kind of butt in and get that out of the way. And the first thing that happened was after
catching up with Amy, Chris Ramsey. Shout out Chris Ramsey. He's a fantastic I know, you know, but for their sake, he's a fantastic YouTube magician. He's amazing. Yeah, me and Case he'd been watching him for years. It was so crazy to see that he was there with you, like that's it was. It was awesome. Yeah, I'm very glad that we met. And I'm also very glad that I didn't know who he
was at yet. Yeah, you know, because we we were just real like we really got to be together and and just have a really good time together. But he walked right up to me. First thing. He was like, Hey, I'm Chris. Love your podcast, love your book. And I was like, oh, okay, thank you. I was just taking a back. I was like, thank you, man, that's just I'm I'm happy to hear that man that you know, that's really nice of you. But did you know, like somewhat who he was? No at
all. I wasn't provided with any list of who was going to be there at all. I just mean, like, had you ever heard of Chris Chris Ramsey before? No? I hadn't heard of anybody. And then except for the four people on the list that I knew, gotcha right, and that was the first thing. So I was like, okay, so that's good. That's a good sign. At least somebody here knows about the orb stuff, so I'm going to have some success. And in my mind, I was like, day four or five, I'm gonna just kind of plant
the seed. Let's go skywatching after people warm up over the week. But Chris had a different plan and I'll get to that in a little bit. But yeah, so the orientation ends and then about six o'clock I think we went and had our first class, and I don't even remember the stuff we talked about in the first class. It was just orientation. Here's gonna be the schedule, here's gonna be what we do. We're gonna go to focus level ten to twenty one over the week, and it was it was really
like light and then we had dinner. No, no, no, we did the class, then we did our first exercise, and then we did dinner. And the first exercise was cool, and right when we got to the first exercise, I was say, yep, we're in for it. And it was thirty minutes of om chanting. So they got us into It wasn't even like a focus date. It was just laying down and listening to these frequencies and I literally couldn't tell if it was five minutes, if it
was thirty minutes. It was just so calming. And they played these like these really relaxing sounds and they explained it, this is important. So this was the first inkling where I was becoming aware that they really have some profound, like spiritual knowledge at this place, because I had always thought, oh, it's just a place where they have frequencies, and you know, I
didn't really know much. I didn't know what I was getting into. And they were explaining that the resonance of vowel sounds, the bones are transmitters of vibrations. They they carry vibrations, and the skull is an empty cavity. So when you chant these sounds, these vowel sounds, these vibrations bounce around in the cavity of your skull and it permeates your brain and it sort of alters your state of consciousness a little bit. And they're telling me this,
I'm like, hmm, tell me more, tell me more. So, you know, we did thirty minutes of om chanting. It was super awesome. We were all buzzing. I have a video where I was waking up from that, and we were all just so relaxed. And tradition is like after you do the exercises in the day of class and meditation is finished, everybody has popcorn together at the end of the night. So we went up there and we had popcorn. I swear to christ it was the best popcorn
I ever had my life. And I throw down on some popcorn. That's weird. For the past like two weeks, I've had a random obsession with popcorn. That's weird. I've been eating it every day. Wow, Casey, I had popcorn for dinner tonight. I'm not I'm feeling a little under the weather today. My voice is a little weird. But she was like, are you having popcorn for dinner tonight? And I was like, yeah, it's good, it's good. That's weird. Yeah, that's the tradition
there. You have it every day, like at the end of the night after class and all that, we did the resonant tuning, and I was like, Okay, not bad. You know, first night, I had only been there since four, you know, and I felt like I was kind of more relaxed and able to talk with everybody a little more openly and not so like jittery about like what's going on, what's the program going to be like? And just all these things. I think it's just normal to
have this anti dissipation, like, oh God, what's gonna happen? You know? Oh yeah, for sure? And we all hang out that night. I don't even really. I think we all just kind of sat around and watched Chris Ramsey do magic for like the rest of the night, Like the first night. Honestly, he just did like so cool it was every night it ended up being that way. That's he just did hell of magic tricks and it was it was, honestly like a dream. He's crazy.
Some of the stuff he does the slikeest like you know, it's all about the slide of hand stuff. He has that ship down all the way. Oh yeah, it's unreal. Yeah, no, it's insane. I think that's what we did the first night. We just kind of sat around and he just wowed us all with magic, and everybody was laughing and cheering, and I was like, this is a good crowd. This is gonna be
a great week. So we go to bed had a very hard time going to sleep the first night, being exhausted from uh, you know, all the construction stuff and and and ending that and then rushing there the next day, but then kind of waking up and and and no, no, let me back up. I had a hard time going to sleep. That's why I was exhausted the next day. It was like they played these frequencies in
your unit. You have these speakers in the wall, and you have the headphones on the wall and something that some other people pointed out to me too, so I wasn't alone in this. It's like you sleep deep at Munroe, but you have a hard time going to sleep. There's something about the energy of the place. It's really hard to fall asleep. And most nights I was up till two or three in the morning. Whoa yeah, And do you feel like it was the frequencies keeping you awake? No, I
think it's just the energy of the place. Yeah. And then you wake up. It's this wake up call at six thirty in the morning, and you're like so tired. But by the time you do the first meditation, which is like an hour, you're like, okay, I just took an hour nap you're napping the whole day, but you're not really napping. It's very restorative. So by about the third day, I was like, I don't care if I stay up late because we're just meditating all day and it'll
be fine. You're going to recoup anyway. Yeah. Yeah, And by the end of the week, we were all hanging out super late every night anyway, and we were all just like so much fun. And by the last night, it was this crew of four or five of us who was up till one or two or three every single night in the common area of you know, kind of like Hogwarts they have this common area. We had a common area where we would do magic. And it does kind of sound like Hogwarts. It is, like, you know, it really is.
So day one, we wake up and it's breakfast every day at eight o'clock and then class at nine. So we get to class and we start learning about the focused levels, and I want to slow down and talk about the focus levels for a minute here, because it's important. So back in the nineteen seventies, Robert Monroe was sort of like a big wig corporate NBC guy, like the NBC, you know, and back then radio was still ultra popular kind of like competing with TV airs. They were like competitors totally.
And he he was high up in the radio division. I don't remember exactly what his job was, but he was like one of the top people. Like he was a multimillionaire, damn very wealthy, successful NBC career. He wasn't seeking this stuff. He wasn't out there trying to have out of body experiences. So one night, I think in like nineteen seventy one, he was laying in bed and he bumped his head really hard, and he was like, what the hell And he looked up and he noticed it was the
chandelier. And then he looked down and he saw there was someone strangely in in bed with his wife. He was like, wait a minute, that's me. Oh no way, and he started spontaneously going out of body. So then he has nowhere yeah wow. So then he has the existential shock, Oh my god, what the hell's happening, I'm dying, I'm insane whatever, And he exhausted so much resources like trying to figure out am I sick, am I dying? Am I crazy? Am I schizophrenic? Whatever?
He went to doctor's psychiatrist all this stuff. He had every screen humanly possible, all to find out that none of that was going on. And he went on to have probably thousands of out of body experiences throughout his life. But the key here is with him having been so savvy with radio. He also got involved with this scientist named Tom Campbell, who's like a physicist.
I can't remember exactly what his job is, but he's like an astrophysicist or something, and Skip Atwater. He surrounded himself with these really credentialed scientists and they were like, let's figure this thing out. And back in the like fifties sixty seventies, there was this fad where they were selling these records, like literal vinyl records, and it's like, learn math equations in your
sleep. He learned Spanish in your sleep. And there were some studies that came out at the time that demonstrated that it actually worked, that you could listen to sounds in your sleep and it works. So Robert Monroe, being the brilliant man he is, he's like, I can reverse engineer this state
of contentiousness this happening to me, and teach it to others. And then he thought deeply about it, and he's like, you know, airplanes have twin propellers, and back in those days, they would have the captain alter the vibration of them, the rotation of them, because if they spawn at the same exact rpm, they would create a frequency that was actually causing the
pilots to fall asleep. So they had to alter that basically make them swing slightly offbeat, like rotates slightly off And Bob thought about this and he was like, wait a minute, if that humming vibration sound of the propellers is making the captains or the pilots or whatever fall asleep, maybe I could reverse engineer that too. And he's this radio guy, so he's constantly working with
radio in his job. So he figured out how to modulate frequencies, get EEGs to reverse engineer the brain wave states induced by freakquencies, and then reverse engineer those brain wave states and create the frequencies so that it could be replicated and proven with accurate results. So he basically mastered it. He figured it out and electro encephalogram like the brain scan thing. Ah, So he had the idea. He's like, let's put brain caps on people create these frequencies.
Measure their brains, modulate these frequencies until we get them into the desired brainwave states, record those, and then just produce them. You know. So it was like really deep stuff, so cool. Could you imagine like pioneering that like must have felt amazing, Like that's so sick. And yeah, so he basically created Barnol beats. It was a concept that had been talked about, like it was discussed at the time, like in magazines and
articles and things, but he really like crafted it. He did the work. Yeah, he perfected it with the few scientists like Skip out Water and uh Tom Campbell. So anyway, so they mastered it and he wrote a book which I have. It's not with me at the moment, but I think it's called Journeys out of the Body. And he's still working for NBC at this point, and he goes to this function, like some corporate NBC thing, and he's really like under the radar. He's not trying to make
money off of it. He just wants to figure it out because it's happening to him. And he goes to this function and his boss comes up to him and he's like, hey, I saw that book he wrote and Bob's like, oh shit, they're gonna thinks oh yeah. Oh. And He's like, oh man, they're gonna think I'm crazy. And they're like it was amazing. This shit's amazing. It happens to my wife literally she goes out of body. Thank you for writing it. We didn't understand what was
going on, but now it makes sense. So Robert Monroe, he had this idea. He's like, wow, Okay, people are into this. There's a desire for this. Maybe I could come up with an institute where I could teach this and like implement than it to others. And that's that's a short version of the history of who he was in the institute and how it was formed. And I think it was formed in seventy one, maybe
seventy two. And fun fact, I was speaking with Alan, the CEO of Monroe, over lunch one day and she told me we were just talking about how beautiful the mountain is and it's like one of the largest crystal reserves on the East Coast, like it's Courts Crystal. The mountain is like literally Courtz Crystal all up in it. We were just talking about the energy of the place and how beautiful it is, and actually he brought Romdos to help him pick the location. No, because he wanted it to be sacred,
he wanted it to be spiritual. So there's there's so many elements to like even the location of the place. And he wasn't like living in Virginia, no, No, he was up in New York and New Jersey working for NBC. Yeah, so it just got to a point where he retired from that, left them and devoted his life to the Institute and brought his family to Virginia and Romdos helped him pick the spot. That's what Alan said. I the CEO, you know, and she's she's really savvy with the history
of the institute and yeah, that's that's pretty amazing. She told me that. I was like, what, that's some Hogwarts ship it is, let's pick a place next to a huge crystal mind, like a huge crystal reserve, one of the biggest in the world. Dude. Yeah, oh that's so badass. Yeah, it's insane. It really is like just a magical, mysterious energy to this place. I mean there's fireflies everywhere. There's bats,
dozens of bats swooping all around you, chasing the fireflies. They literally swoop right in front of your face, and we're like, ah, you know, we're all hanging out in the pool and bats are just flying over our head and in front of our face and damn a pool there. Yeah, that's awesome. That is no. I'm honestly, I'm sitting here listening to you guys, and I'm thinking, man, this would just make me want to swim. Oh really you are already thinking that. That's yeah.
I'm thinking I'm I'm putting myself there. I'm listening to Ryan and I'm like, man, I would just really want to swim. Well, that's the thing is, like I got there and found out there was a pool, and I was like, shit, I didn't know there was a pool. And by the end of the week, some of us are just like I was in Jim Schwartz, but some people were in boxers. Just we didn't care. Dude. We were all in the pool. The last night, all of us were in the pool, including the instructors, and we were
skywatching in the pool. You know, it was it was cool. Yeah. So I wanted to go through the history to understand the frequency so people could kind of have that in their mind when we talk about focused levels. So Robert was a very smart guy, very very brilliant. He was like a pioneer of consciousness. And he reminds me a lot of my dad the more I hear his story, like how this stuff just spontaneously happened to him
and he devoted his life to like figuring it out. And the thing about him that I love and the institute that I especially love, is there's no veil of secrecy. They're not trying to gatekeep. They're not trying to like keep it closed doors. Oh pay this and you'll find out. It's actually
the opposite. They are on a mission to try and expand all of their work into the globe because they believe that if they induce these kinds of altering consciousness experiences to one percent of the world, that it'll shift the tide and that global consciousness would awaken. Like that's their actual mission statement. They're not like some secret society shit. It's nothing like that. It is an amazing, profound just open door. Everybody sign up. You don't have to go
through initiations and all the shit. It's just like, I mean, it's not free because it costs money to keep lights on, but sure, the knowledge is free, like come and you know, everybody can have a part of this. We want everybody to have a part of this. And I realized that day one and I was like, Okay, I'm in the right place. Yeah, this is amazing. They're not like trying to recruit you to go and like, you know, do something like spread the word testify
like it's it's not it's not an MLM or some bullshit. It's like they're just like, come here, we'll give you the knowledge. We're not gate keeping it. We want everybody to know. I would say that's kind of very similar to our mission statement. Yes it is. It's the same thing. When they told me that, I was like, that's very interesting because
mine's the same. Except for some reason, I had the number fifty one percent in my head, like if fifty one percent of the world sees something that, you know, if it's more than half, maybe it would tip. But Robert was like, we just need one percent. I believe that. So that's about eighty million people of the world. So they're on a ten year mission right now to try to expand and reach eighty million people. And that's why they brought us. That's why they brought the content creators because
we can help boost the message. So it's an amazing place. Man. Day one, I realized, Okay, this is going to be profound. And yeah, actually, in the original days, Robert Monroe's first mission was five thousand people. That was it, yep, before it was the Gateway Experience. I think he called it M five thousand, and his mission was if he reached five people, he believed it would change the world. Wow. And they did that in like two years, and they're like, okay,
well, maybe we need a bigger number. You know. Now it's been tens of thousands of people around the world have come, and they have like forty trainers around the world, and they have like European locations, and they have like remote satellite facilities around the world. So oh do they yeah wow Yeah. And even those, even those smaller numbers, the five thousand to ten thousand whatever, it does change the world in some sort of way.
It does, Yeah, it does. It may not be like what they're looking for in terms of like changing awakening collective consciousness, but it all matters, and I think the world does feel it. Yeah, you know, no, they're definitely making a difference from the jump. I had the sense that they were completely aligned with us, just what we're doing. They love us, they love our show. They told me that because of us that the phone they get calls like yeah, people wanting to go. But
you know, we've been talking about them forever. But it was just an amazing thing. And I definitely had the sense that it was no coincidence that I was there, that we were involved, that my dad and sister had been there twice. Again, there's a second thing that you know, we'll be able to talk more about later, But it was just this circle in my mind that was completing, like, Okay, this is very weird to
be here right now. And let me slightly back up. Because I missed one part of day one, all of us that got there, I had to go through a one on one interview with the trainers, so I met with Maya. We had two trainers, Archie and Maya. Amazing people. Archies from Spain, Maya's from Lithuania, and I feel like that kind of added to the experience of being in this like alternate world away from society,
and then having these trainers who both were from different places too. It just kind of added a little bit of a mystique to the experience and their cultural backgrounds, you know. And right off the bat, I got the vibe from Maya that she was like like a Ramdas or like a like a you know, like yeah, I kept telling her that, like, I don't mean this in a bad way, but you remind me of someone who has studied in India. And she's like I did. I lived in India for
two years. And she was asking me on these questions and I just got the sense when I was speaking to her day one, I was like, Okay, this is not just a place where you know, scientists are pressing play on a soundboard and running frequencies like these are really spiritual people. These are like monks, These are like you know, wizards, whatever you want to think. Like I was beginning to see, like, Okay, there's something really deep here, you know, the real Yeah, it's the real
deal. There was a little literal magician there. Yeah. We talked a lot about that too. We we had some pretty funny synchronicities with him being a magician, not necessarily synchronicities, but just like you know, him having these profound spiritual awakenings. And then me telling him. I'm like, dude, I mean, you know, you're literally symbolically playing with magical forces.
I mean you're kind of towing the line there already, yeah, you know, in your day job, but now you're here where the real magic is. Yeah, it was, you know. We talked a lot about that and with Chris. But so back to Maya. So she had the kanji symbol on her neck and which kanji for fire, fire? Yeah, for fire, and and her name was Maya. So I was like, oh, Maya, beautiful name. It's like the illusion the veil of Maya. Really cool. And she's you know, because she's from Lithuania and I think
she went to India for a while and lived there for two years. That kept coming up. But something about her language crossed with it was either India or maybe it was English, I don't know, but they said the word illusion, and she thought they were calling her a loser. You know. Oh they were saying illusion to her, like in the like Maya, yeah, yeah, because Maya is illusion, a loser. Yeah. And we got a little laugh out of that. I felt good about our chat and
I was like, Okay, I'm in really good hands. These are some very very spiritual people, if you don't mind sharing what kind of questions like just general, I'm just I would just love to know out of my curio. It was just like what do you expect coming here? Things like that, why why are you here? What are you looking to get out of
this? But in a very friendly way and a very like in a very I mean I can't remember all the questions, to be honest, that probably is important, but they're probably trying to make sure that like people's intentions are pure right and they're there for the right reasons, because it could like if somebody's there for the wrong reasons, it could spoil it for everyone, right, it could. Yeah, And also they were very worried because this was
the first ever content creator program. They had a little bit of nerves about are these people coming here? Are they going to be like focused only on the content and not taking it seriously? And then day one they realized kind of like how we were nervous, they stopped being nervous. They're like, Okay, these students are the real deal. Yeah, you know, everybody broke down and had this amazing like I feeling about I can't help but wonder
like did they like vet people or is it just all purely organic? And was it just like it was organic? Yeah, Like now that's even crazier because that means that like just the magnetic energy brought like authentic, real people, like seekers of this knowledge together. Yeah, like the people putting on, like the people that work at the Monroe Institute and the people who were coming for this retreat, like those pure intentions magnetized and you all found each
other. Yeah, organically, that's what happened. That's kind of insane, Like that's wild. Most of the people were recommended by one guy, Shawn Webb. Seawan Webb, he works for the Monroe Institute. No, he's he has his own content called he wrote a book called Minding Happiness and it's a really profound book and he taught me the method. It's really cool.
It's like basically, I don't remember what year it was, but he had this entity experience very similar to Dad, where his consciousness was kind of like out of body and he, for lack of better words, he was kind of up in space and he was speaking to God and God gave him this this download of information and he came back and was able to verify it. Through science. So he wrote a book called mind Hacking Happiness, and it's
how to like hack the brain to reach certain emotional states. And it's basically like, if you're upset about an event that happened, something you can do to neutralize the amygdala, which is the part of your brain that has like negative emotional responses. You can think about an event like let's say something happens
right now that you're upset about. In the moment, you think like, Okay, this is what I expected to happen, this is what did happen, expected to happen, did happen, And you cycle it in your over and over and over, and it just calms down the amigdala where you're not
so upset about certain uh stimuli anymore. WHOA And he was able to verify that this it's like highlighting perspective, like yeah, that that switching back and forth between those two scenarios, because that's where like real disappointment comes from, is when the real thing doesn't having the attachment yeah to the outcome, to
the outcome exactly. This is super interesting because if I think about the times that I've been frustrated with the situation, I've called Olivia and talked about it and said, this is what I expected to happen, and this is what happened, and that's why I'm upset. And then we hang up and I feel better. Wow, like and I'm like, oh, she's awesome, but really I'm just mind hacking happiness apparently. Yeah, Wow, I'd like to read that book. Yeah, he's he's gonna come out. He's he
lives in Charlotte, no way. Yeah, so he'll definitely be here. Okay, I got to read it before he comes then, like, so we got to figure that out. But he's a very he's a great guy. He's a very gentle soul, and he's been to Monroe a lot of times. And he did a video about them on TikTok. They got like a million views or something and their phone started ring, ring, ring, ring ring, you know, going off the hook, and they're like,
dang, dude, we like you. So they kind of worked with him to create this event, and most of the people that were there were like recommended by him that you know, he became aware of their content or it was just organic like oh this guy makes cool content. Oh this guy makes it just came together, you know, and it came together like perfectly. Everybody had pure intentions and that's all. By the end of the week, we were all crying, don't want to leave each other. But yeah,
there were there were a bunch of amazing people there. And I'm gonna get a little bit more into the rest of the people because we hadn't even started yet, we haven't even started the first exercise. So yeah, So Maya. The first thing she said to me was she looked at me and she said, I just want to look at you for a bit. This is the first night, the first day, oh, getting there off the road Saturday. She looked at me, She's like, I just want to look
at you for a little bit, get a feeling for you. And she stared into my eyes. And normally I don't like to just like stare in silence and people's eyes, but I was like, you know what, I'm here at Hogwarts. I'm gonna do it. I'm going to just give up. I'm gonna let go, and I'm gonna do it. And I did. And she had the most just beautiful, friendly aura, just the most like calm and disarming, and I could feel that there was nothing threatening about
her. And that she just really was there out of love and passion and you know, devoting her life to this. And I was like okay, and she said you feel things from people, don't you. And I was like, yeah, I do. Actually I always have. And she's like, hmm, what do you expect to get out of this? I said, honestly nothing. I didn't come here expecting anything. I came here just
to show up and let go of any expectation and whatever happens happens. And she's like, okay, but what if you did that but also set an intention? And I was like, huh, I've never thought about that. I never thought about that. That's a great idea. She's like, you could set an intention. You know. Meanwhile, you had this whole secret mission in the back of your head. Yeah, I guess I did have an intention. I should set an intention. Yeah, I did have that
intention. But you're taking the secret mission, real, dude, it was so secret even you forgot. But I but in response to the out of body experience, yeah, I didn't even believe it was possible for me. For some reason. I think a lot of people feel that way about a lot of things, like the ORBS, it's like, oh, I'm not worthy. I'm not it's not possible for me to see him. It's like,
yeah, it is right, it is. Yeah, it's possible for everybody, you know, not but anybody is more special than the other where it's more possible for them. It's just about how you believe in belief, yeah, and what you know and the intention you set. And they talked about things very similarly, similarly to the way my dad did too, like about having a knowing about certain things and you know, going out of your physical body and stuff. So I was like, yeah, that's a good
idea. Actually, I guess I could set an attention. And the interview ended. Then we ended that night, we did the thirty minutes of home chant. Okay, now moving on to the next day. So we get up, we have the breakfast, we go to our first class, and the cool thing about Monroe is, back in the old days before cell phones, you actually had to remove your watch and leave it in a basket for
the whole week, Like you're not even supposed to no time. But they don't have like clocks anywhere, No, they do, but you're not supposed to observe time. You're not supposed to pay attention. Gotcha, You're supposed to just forget about your watch and let go of the attachment. And everything is signaled by a bell. So it's like class ding bell ding? Did I say bell ding? Meditated dinner? Dan? Hey, let me get a video of you hitting the bell ding. You know, it's it's just
bells, you know, for everything. I don't want to take us off track here, but that did make me think my last mushroom trip, I was wearing my watch and everything around me was changing. Everything in my head, you know, I was having a whole experience. The only thing that was constant was my watch. Wow, the hands never nothing on the watch ever distorted, ever wavered, and it was like this anchor. It was
very interesting. That's crazy. That's crazy because like sometime last year, I was at your apartment and we had taken rooms and I was like it was
a lot. I was. I mean, I didn't take a lot, but the experience was kind of intense and I was kind of freaking out and I didn't know what to do. And I literally like stared at the clock on my phone, like you know how you can open up the alarm at six hours, like you can look at the clock on the and I just looked at it, and that like calmed me down for a good like five minutes. I just looked at it and I just watched the passing of time, and I was like, time's still moving. I'm still here. It's
okay. I'm fucking tripping right now, but I'm fine. That's crazy, that's crazy. That's that's the worst, man, when you think it's going to be forever. Oh, the first time I ever did it, I was like, that's it. It's been an hour. Yeah, the first time ever. I was like, this is the rest of my life. Yes, I was like, this is going to be the rest of my life. Anyway, Monroe been there. So we get to the first class,
right, and we start learning about the focused levels. So I told the whole history, so we understand that Robert Monroe, this isn't just like hokey stuff, like it's sciences. It's prestigious, it's methodical, it was replicated with physicists. And obviously Joe mcmonaga got involved too. He married his daughter, He married Robert Monroe's daughter, what yeah, his stepdaughter. That's
so cool. Yeah, And like he was surrounded by these highly qualified, highly credential people that helped him like figure out how to refine the process so it was replicatable and perfected, right, which is that that's science. When you can replicate it, right, that's science. And it's and it's also it came from a genuine it came because he was experiencing this. It's not like he like read about it somewhere and then decided to like, it's very
personal, down to the very beginning of it. Yeah, you know, yeah, that's awesome. Eventually, as he so, the first time was an existential shock, and he thought he was dying all that stuff, and as it began to happen every night as he was asleep, kind of like Dad with the orbs, it just kept happening to him. And the first probably dozens of times maybe more, was I don't want to go anywhere. I don't know what to do I want I'm afraid to be away from my
body. I might not ever be able to return. The first time, he crawled back into his body, like I have to get back into my freaking body. Over time he started to realize I'm okay, let me walk to the next room. Okay, now, let me walk outside, let me keep going, let me go down the street, let me go higher and hire, let me leave the planet. And eventually he started going to
other realms and speaking with like higher entities. And this is how seriously, whoa Seriously, this is how they got all the knowledge was because thousands of times going out of body, he started going to other worlds and he started
communicating with these intelligences that taught him things. Now, the important thing is ninety nine percent of the stuff that I learned at the Monroe Institute won a hundred percent meshes with the wisdom tradition knowledge that we have been researching and talking about on this show. Things that he learned from entities in the astral world, which for me was very profound. When I was there learning a lot of this stuff, I was like, holy shit, Like everything my whole
life I've been studying, it's right here. This is real, Like, this is a school where this shit they know it. Yeah, they live it, they experience it. You know. It's all about thought forms and vibrations and all this stuff. So he was so smart that he figured out how to encode this mystical experiential process of leaving the body and enjoying altered states of consciousness and destigmatizing it completely, removing it from any religious label, and
he created new terms. So he came up with the idea of the focus levels. So you have focused one or see one. That's normal consciousness. Everybody's in focus one all the time. Then it goes up to focus ten, where your mind is your mind is awake, but your body's asleep. And the funny thing is a lot of people report hearing snoring in the room and they're like, oh wait, just me, but you're awake. So Focus ten is kind of like the entry level to out of body. Yeah,
I mean it's hard to say because it's different for everybody. Like the first out of body happened for me at focus twelve. For some people it was fifteen. For some people it was twenty one. Where that's the intro to you know, it's like everybody's different. Yeah, I think in the sense what it takes to get there. But yeah, focused ten is the doorway to like deep states of meditation. It's where your mind is awake.
Maybe nothing mystical is happening per se, but you're such a threshold of meditation that your body is physically asleep. That's the thing. I forgot to say that when he was like perfecting the method with the waves and stuff, he figured out how to induce the brain right on that little hair trigger threshold of literally falling asleep and being in meditation. Like, he figured out how to guide the brain there and keep it there and keep going deeper into that state
without falling asleep. So, like, your body is asleep, but you are not asleep. Yeah, your mind is fully awake. You can even be snoring, you are wide awake. Wow. Yeah. So I have a question, and I don't know if you know the answer to this is if you're in this state, is your body? Are the repair functions of sleep happening to your body? Yeah? Don't you remember when I said by about day three, I was like, I don't care if I step up till three am. Yeah, I'm gonna be You'll be fine meditating for six
hours tomorrow. Yeah, Yeah, I got you. But like, but like the repair that happens in sleep like all of so, so essentially you could do this and never really sleep, but never feel the effects and the fatigue of not sleeping. I mean, you'd have to ask a professional about that one man. Yeah, but maybe I'll take my questions when I go. Yeah, because I'm very interested. I'm sure they would have some like some sort of experience with that. I mean, but yeah, I mean,
you do feel rested. Like literally, I'd be up three am one night, get up at you know, seven. I would sometimes turn off to six thirty, wake up, get up at seven or eight the next morning. I'm so tired. My cup of coffee. During the first class, you dive into meditation. You're like, that was great. You're wide awake, and everybody's like, whoa hoo. You know. We made jokes about it, like who cares about going a bit early? Yeah, yeah,
we're going to lay around all day. They're going to meditate and recoup all the energy anyway. Literally, you'll be fine. So these are the focused levels. This is just the pamphlet that they gave me, and it goes up to Focus forty nine. So throughout Robert Munroe's out of body journeys and during the course of several years, he mapped territories. As he called them. These territories are locales remain consistent with specific deep state levels of consciousness.
His subjective experience of each local was the same every time he entered the state of awareness associated with it. To avoid using mystical or religious language to describe these territories, he numbered them, calling them focus levels. So this is basically the foundation of the institute. So Focus one, that's literally right now, your your base level, content, base level, physical space, time, reality rules. Focus ten Mind awake, body of sleep a state
of consciousness where the physical body is asleep, the mind is awaken. Alert consciousness is fully retained without dependence upon signals from the physical body. One learns to ride the edge of sleep. So I wrote down some notes from my class when we were doing intro to Focus ten, which was technically day two, but it was day one of classes because you know, we got there in the evening. So in the outside world we achieved things through effort,
and the inside world we achieved things through intention. Which is crazy because the day before Mile was like, but have you set an intention? And I was like, huh, there's this theme of intention throughout the week right by the way, Did you set an intention? I eventually did. Yeah. My intention from the beginning was, like I said, it was my secret mission for everybody to see orbs because I thought was some things coming down the
pipe and just being there with it just being such a magical week. I was like, I want everybody to see because I think that would be amazing and it would just make the whole thing more magical. The other thing I wrote down that they expressed gratitude places you in a different state of consciousness, which is something we've talked about many times on the show. That was another wonderful thing about being there is a lot of things that we have found on
our own just to research. I feel like they were validating a lot of our effort. That just hearing it from them felt very validating that we've been on the right track. You know, they've been doing the scientific work for fifty years. Yes, literally, yeah, more more than fifty years. Yeah, So it was it was very validating being there knowing like, Okay, we're not crazy. We are trying to, you know, figure this thing out here, and we're not necessarily on the wrong track, you know.
And and there's like some very prestigious qualified individuals who who who agree with me, like, wow, this is awesome. You know, it's not just talking to a camera and hoping, you know, it all makes sense. It felt very real being there, and it's like, you know, it's obviously amazing being around like my minded people period, that right, obviously
great. But when you're around like minded people who are like putting in like they've devoted their lives, it's their life, it's their career, that's got to be even more so like profound and reassuring. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, it was unbelievable. So gratitude places you in a different state of consciousness. And that's the thing. Before I get into like what it was like being in the focused in state, I want to read the affirmation because
this is the one doctrine of the Monroe Institute. This is the single creed. You don't have to be religious. You don't have to, you know, observe certain traditions and rights and rituals. You don't have to you know, forsake your family and go live in the forest. You don't have to put you know, ash on your forehead and give up sugar for forty days. None of that matters. Yeah, none of that really matters. The only thing that matters at Monroe is we understand that we are more than our
physical body, and that's why anything is possible. That's why all of this is possible. So that is the one doctrine. You are more than your physical body. Actually, it's right here on the journal. You are more than your physical body. Oh wow, Yeah, they give you those journals. Yeah, because you're supposed to journal everything. And there is an official Gateway Voyage affirmation which I highly recommend everybody at home memorize the core elements of
this. Whether you want to do this or not, it doesn't matter. And it's I am more than my physical body. Because I am more than physical matter, I can perceive that which is greater than the physical world. Therefore, I deeply desire to expand, to experience, to know, to understand, to control, to use such greater energies and energy systems as may
be beneficial and constructive to me and to those who follow me. Also, I deeply desire the help and cooperation, the assistance, the understanding of those individuals whose wisdom, development, and experience are equal to or greater than my own. I ask their guidance protection from any influencer or any source that might provide even less than my stated desires. That's the official affirmation, but they were very clear, they're like you can modify it. You can remember the
four key elements. I forgot to say. They add gratitude. It's not written, but they're like, but you need to express gratitude. That has to be added. We have found that it alters your mind to be in a more receptive state, which makes sense. We did a whole episode on it. Yeah, the gratitude one of the most magical things you can literally do. Yeah. Literally, So they were like, you don't have to
memorize the whole thing. You can keep the four key elements. And part of the actual preparatory process to leave the body is the final stage of the prep before you get to the focus levels. This is the affirmation. You just think it. You don't even have to say it. You could keep it as simple. This is what I did, and it clearly worked for me. I'm more than my physical body. I am seeking to explore this element of my divine existence. I ask my guides. I changed it every
time. Maybe sometimes it was my Grandpa's maybe sometimes it was the Holy Trinity, just something good, you know. Yeah, I ask for assistance from my guides and I thank you. You know, just just keep the core elements of this you you recite this in your mind because you're setting the intention. Can you say that your version one more time, I had like forty just just for the people listening, just one more time. Well, it's it was different. It was like it depended on what happened last time.
If it was a shocking out of body, I would go extra heavy on the I want the whole host of angels, the whole being. I want my grandfather, both my grandfathers, the Holy Trinity, the Lady Ship, bring God. I want everybody. I was like, everybody, keep me safe this time, keep me comfortable because because the last time was freaky, ring them all ring, hold my hand care. I'm telling you, man, I changed it every time. But yeah, no, it's it's just
the core element there is I deeply to. The first one is I'm more than my physical body. Second element, I want to explore this right. I'm seeking to perceive that which is greater than my physical body. I just dropped all my stuff. You're like asking for it. Yes. The third element is I want help from whoever positive benevolent force. I want to help me. And then the fourth element that was added later is the gratitude, thank you for helping me. You know, keep it simple, so focus
ten. Drop my freaking that's right that you got Yeah, okay. So I felt deeply relaxed and didn't have a sense of time. I had multiple flashes of inspiration regarding certain things, like about the podcast and you know, because it's been so hard to like stay on top of it with all the move and stuff. So I was like, okay, okay, I got some pretty cool ideas, and this is nice. You know, day one it's just snoozy, man, just focus ten. I was like, this
is pretty nice. The second time, so the second meditation exercise we did, so it was like class nine am and then meditate and then right back to class. When we wake up, you're supposed journal and goes straight to class. So the second time we did the resident energy balloon, which is something that I wanted to emphasize. So they taught us about the affirmation. They taught us about the energy conversion box, which is very cool concept.
And and by the way, these are things that could be practiced daily, meditating or not. I asked all these questions because I learned from one of my mentors, Sataru Gojo from Jiujitsu Kaisen. I was like, no way.
There's somebody named Gojo in that in the Monroe Institute. No no, no no. But in season two of Jiu Jitsu Kaisen, there's a scene where it shows him developing his abilities, and at one point he's like, I eventually figured out how to automate this in my subconscious mind where my basically you know, psychic energy barrier is on up. So when they started teaching about this, I'm like, can I automate this? Can I constantly think about this? And they're like, yeah, wow, there's only one way
to find out, right. I was like, damn right, you know, so I've been constantly trying to think about this. But so they taught us about the energy conversion box and the the resonant energy balloon. This is reminiscent of psychology, the resident the energy conversion box. Actually, I did a therapy session one time and she made me make a magic box to put all my worries in. But I thought it was silly. I didn't really take it serious. But so the energy conversion box, and you guys should
should visualize this to the best of your ability. You want to imagine anything, you can imagine. It's a heavy it could be a box, It could be a chest, it could be a locker, it could be anything,
just like a heavy storage facility. Visualize it however you want. Mine is this really big amethyst crystal chest with with the without the UFO, just the circle like the Philosopher's Stone sigil on the front, and then on the top there's a Metatron's cube and then when you open it, there's shining white light inside, and the corners and the inside are lined with copper, and then it's got sexy gold trim. You think about whatever you want. You
visualize the details of this box. When you're going into states of meditation, you take your worries and you leave them in the box. You take your doubts and your fears and you leave them in the box. Anytime during meditation something pops in your mind. In the box, you know what I mean. It's an energy conversion box. You're converting these doubts and negativities and insecurities and fears putting them in the box. It's this magic box that can take
any of your negativity away. That's step one step two of the preparatory process. Well technically step one is they play waves, ocean waves, to relax you. Then you have the energy conversion box. Then you have the om chanting, because that's why we did that the first night, were we were changing our vibration for the rest of the week. Then you do a couple minutes of home chanting every meditation. You could do E or ah or whatever
vowel you want, it doesn't matter. You want the vibrations bouncing around in your skull. And then you do the resonant energy balloon. And this particular technique is reminiscent of Rosicruci magic, gnostic magic, all these different ancient occult practices. I want to be careful putting a label to it, but it's things that we have studied and things we have discussed. It is a very
ancient practice and it's visualizing. It's basically a form of visualizing energy. And I've always heard about these techniques and I thought, wow, so cool, but never really took it serious. Tried it a couple of times, you know, I'm like, this is cool, but didn't really pursue it.
But this is a foundational part of the preparatory process that you must do every time, and it is very important, and I've come to believe it is very real, and you folks on white light coming from the top of your crown out of your head, and it fountains out of your head in all directions and goes around your body, and then it fountains back up into your
feet like a terroidal field. And then that energy when it enters through your feet, it spirals through the center of your being up back to your head, fountains out of your head, and you're creating a trus field of magnetic energy. And you constantly keep this visual going. And when you meditate, you focus on this, You focus on this, and eventually, I'm telling you, dude, you can do it all the time throughout the day. You'll start to feel the tingles in your head and in your feet. You'll
start to feel it vibrating. And then after doing it for so long, so many different sessions, they teach you how to subconsciously program it into your brain where you can think of a switch and it'll activate. And the Monroe switch, I'll just go ahead and say it, because it can still be programmed. The Monroe switch is because this is first achieved in the focus ten state. You think of a glowing circle of light with the number ten in
the center of it. This is what this is Monro's method. But they're like, but you can make your own. You can create your own subconscious symbolism. It doesn't matter. So you think of this glowing circle of light with the number ten, and you take a deep breath and then you visualize you're blowing out the circle. You're blowing out the circle with the number ten
in it. You're just you're exhaling it out of your body. After so many times of doing this throughout the week, you do this trigger and immediately you hit an altered state, or at least I did, and you fill the vibrations in your head and in your feet and it's just like boom. You can instantly recall this state. Whoa. And the idea is that it keeps your energy from leaking out, but it keeps negative energies from permeating your energy field. That's the idea of the force field. Yes type thing.
Yes, because when you're going out of body, you want to be protected, of course. Yeah. Yeah. And I started to realize that's orps Oh my whoa, hold up, that's crazy. Whoa, it's orps yo. That blew my mind a little bit. That blew mind when I was sitting there learning it. It's orps. Weird things happened in the backyard Blodsoe House. Ship. Look up. It was so weird, coming closer to my straight like smirling on the inside of it. No one knows that.
Wow, it's come right over. Got sad and happy, happy,