152: Godzilla

Weird things happened in the Weird Weird weird Wow, all right episode. You aren't gonna start it, No, we are. We're gonna start it with our best Godzilla impression. Oh okay, that's not real. Give me your best shot. No that's not that's all right. Ready, this is my God's will impression. Jesus, all right, Alex go we didn't put a disclaimer, No we don't. That was almost as good as you screaming on our album. I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, I wanted to

talk about Godzilla today. Oh yeah, dude, it's what day is it again? Godzilla Day? Oh it is? Yeah, Well tomorrow's Godzilla Day. Yeah, because Godzilla Minus one comes out. Okay, so it's Godzilla Day, all right. Why would it be today and on tomorrow because we're doing the episode today. Okay, So this is more important than like one of the best theatrical releases of all time. Well, I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know if it's one of the best whatever you said.

Okay, Well we'll find out tomorrow. We saw freaking what was that movie called Godzilla x Kong The New Empire? Yes, two months ago, and the themes in this movie were so freaking crazy, and I was like,

oh my god, we have to do an episode on this. But if you guys recall those of you who have seen every episode of the show many years ago when we first started this show, in one of the earlier episodes, I said that one of the most esoteric movies I've ever seen of all time, ever period, it was Godzilla versus Can the first one. Yeah, I mean not, I guess not. There's probably old ones, but the one that came out a few years ago. Yes, gotcha,

there was an old one. There was like a nineteen sixty five one or something that I actually saw when I was a kid. I had a memory of it today when I was watching through this video. But yeah, I just wanted to talk about some of the esoteric themes in Godzilla. It's a freaking awesome movie to geek out about. And it's just there's gotta be like fifty there's about thirty. I was gonna say thirty, but I wanted to be more hyperbolic. It's like twenty five or thirty years. Actually no,

it's probably more like thirty or forty. I don't know. But Alex, you ever seen any of them any Godzillas. No, really, but I've listened to an album by Gojira that counts as fire, Dude, that counts goes heres is lit. Yeah, I kept. I think it might have been the first time I came over to your house. I don't know, but you had the vinyl on the deck. You were like, took the zell and you played it. I was like, is that go Jira? This dude listening to go Jira? I remember it was. I can't remember

if it was Nathan, our friend Nathan shout out Nathan. I can't remember if it was him or if it was his sister. I was in their car one time, one of the two I can't remember if it was m Lauren, and they were listening to go Jira and it was the first time I ever heard him, and I was like, yoh, this is sick. Yeah, they go pretty hard. Dude. That's crazy because I was introduced to go Jira. Do you remember the church that we both went to. Uh, there was a guy there named Nathan. I don't know if

you remember him, but I like grew yeah, I do. I grew up with that Nathan, like since we were very very little because they always went to the same church as my grandparents, and he introduced me to go Jira, So we both got introduced to go Jiro through a Nathan. That's crazy. They might have been a sister though I can't remember, but I just remember being introduced to them and I was like, dude, this is so cool. They're pretty sick. Yeah, but German band? Are they

German? I think maybe something something European. I can't remember, Swedish or something, but anyway, so I wanted to take it back before we go into the esoteric themes of Godzilla, I wanted to go into the cultural impact, the genre that it created worldwide for film and what it has basically like the legacy that it has left without people even knowing the legacy that it has

left. Oh yeah, and it is a specific genre that although I'm not, like, you know, I'm not watching it all the time anymore because I'm an adult, But when I was a child, this stuff was very big to me. It was some of my biggest, most favorite things to enjoy. It's called tokusatsu. It's a very niche genre that's basically kind of

like if anime were live action. Tokusatsu. Mm hmm. It means special effects and it's the whole, like giant monsters or giant figures, miniature cities, blosions, epic huge larger than life battles with laser beams and alien invasions and monsters and Power Rangers costumes, superheroes, Ultraman, Ultraman, yeah, Godzilla, you know, Super Sentai, all this stuff, getting into these

giant robot mecazords and fighting you know, aliens and monsters and stuff. I just remember as early as I can remember being obsessed with Power Rangers, and it always to me it was always like kind of iconic because it was created the same year that I was born. Power Rangers was in nineteen ninety three. Oh I didn't know that. Oh yeah, ninety three Mighty Morphin yeah he and anyway, so I was just completely obsessed with Power Rangers as a

kid. And some of my earliest memories literally like having a consciousness, was pretending to be a Power Ranger. Oh, you know, always the Red Ranger. Always, it's always my favorite. I like the green slash White Ranger. Oh dude, rest in peace, yeah, oh died the year or last year. Yeah. Oh that's so sad. I always love him

and the Black Ranger. The Mammoth, Yeah, the Mastodon. Mast See, my brother and sister were like always they I guess they were watching it like since it came out, and so it was just like that was very much a staple of my childhood. Was Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles. Oh

dude, same, it was. If I think about this all the time, you know, it's like, I guess you get in these the older we get, the more sometimes we like vibe with nostalgic things, and I'm always thinking, like my big three things as a child were like I mean, obviously like everybody else, like Lord of the Ring, Star Wars, all that stuff, all the movies. Right, but right, my big three things that I was always obsessed with was in no particular order except DBZ.

It was Power Rangers, Dragon Ball Z, and Ninja Turtles. And I thought about it. I was in the shower tonight and you guys were on the way, and I was like, what are those three things have in common? Asian martial arts? Yeah, oh yeah, straight up Ninjas even though one, you know, two of them are American shows. It's like Ninja's power Rangers do karate. Yeah, Goku does karate. You know, it's the inspiration is obvious. There's a through line between all of those.

I didn't get into DBZ until I was maybe like ten or eleven ish, so that one was a little bit later for me. Wow, I didn't know that. Oh yeah. My cousin John came over one day with a DBZ shirt on and I was like, what is that? And he put an episode on the TV and I was like, oh, okay, I'm all about that. For me, prior to that, my big three were Power Rangers, Ninja Shurtles. Same to Transformers, right, Transformers, it's he same for me. Yeah, I didn't get into that until I

was older because the live action movie. My uncle Bill uh was like a fan of the og Transformers. He still to this day has generation one before the show even came out. Wow, he has them, all of them in boxes and my Grandma's attic. I would love to see pictures of that. It's very cool and dude, Transformers was one of those things like I

saw it on TV as a kid, like occasionally. I remember being in like elementary school, but it was never the kind of thing where like my parents were buying me the toys, the VHS's, you know what I mean. But like Power Rangers, Ninja Turtles, they were they were buying me the toys and buying me the movies, and you know, I was constantly watching them. And anyway, Also, this is gonna sound hilarious, but I've thought about this many many times, and I think the reason that I

am literally so obsessed with metal music as an adult. Think about it, dude, Power Rangers and DBZ, Oh the American theme song. The American theme song of DBZ and Power Rangers is literally metal. Oh yeah, Like the earliest music I was ever exposed to was freaking rock, hard rock, hard bro. Dude, did you ever on the VHS tapes of Power Rangers, like the OG ninety show, the show? No, yes, I had like the was it the movie? The movie? I had that that

was not the movie. No, we just watched the show on TV all the time, right, So when you had the VHS, they would have like commercials for the next episode or like behind the scenes. I'll have to show you a YouTube video, but it would play this like different metal kind of sounding song. You know, it was like had this different song than the theme song. And it's pretty cool. But I can't explain it.

I'll just have to show you. But anyway, that was a cool little nostalgia trip for me thinking about this episode and reminiscing on all this stuff and why it's so important and special to me. But anyway, when did you watch a Godzilla movie for the first time? Because it was not super young for me. Nineteen ninety eight, damn you remember the year? Yeah, because it's when the first American one ever released. Oh what, Yeah, it's just called Godzilla. That was when I was born. Epic. See,

I was like five years old at that point. Yeah, but yeah, that's the first one I ever saw. And then Godzilla two thousand that's probably the first one I saw. Godzilla two thousand, that one is crazy. I watched the trailer for it today to show Jenny and it was honestly laughable. But I see, when I was a child, I thought it was sick. I thought it was Yeah. When I first saw the trailer for that as a kid, I was like, that's scary. I don't want to watch that. That's real scary. But then I watched it,

I think with my brother maybe, and I loved it. It's the first time I ever saw the freaking you know, the atomic breath or whatever. But I was very lucky because I had older brothers, and then I had a lot of older I guess you could say, like, you know, cousins four five years apart, stuff like that that were like into a lot of those things that I would have been too young to discover on my own,

so they would like put me on a lot of these things. Yeah, And I remember staying at my cousin Jacob's house, and I was like literally a toddler three years old. My aunt Tammy had four kids, and then my parents had four kids, and both families were three boys and a girl. So I would be staying at my aunt Tammy's house with me and my brothers. So it's literally six boys in the same house. Oh yeah,

you know. And I remember being in diapers, a literal toddler, like can't even read or write yet, some of my earliest memories and seeing dragon Ball and being like, oh my god, this this you know whatever a toddler would think, like just falling in love with it and being into all this stuff. But anyway, so Godzilla, so it created this genre, It inspired this entire genre. When this movie came out in nineteen fifty four, this whole explosion of cinema happened. It was post World War two

Japan, so it's an allegory for World War two, right. Yeah. It's actually like very heavily referenced in the original movie, which admittedly I've never seen until today, I don't know that I've ever seen it. I watched it just for this episode because I was like, before I do this episode, I have to watch the original otherwise it's like, what's the point, you know, right? And it was honestly better than I thought. Okay,

it was. It was really cool. It was like obviously black and white, obviously you know, it's guy to suit, little miniatures, all that stuffy. I was very shocked about a few things in the movie, though. There were things that I did know we're like a part of Godzilla that we're in the original, like the atomic breath, the spiritual themes. Because in my mind, because you know, coming fresh off of watching Godzilla

X Kong Versus Kong, what else did I watch? Oh, Godzilla, King of the Monsters, which I'm going to talk a lot more about those three, and then another one from nineteen sixty eight or sixty nine called all Monsters Attack, which is silly. They had all these heavy spiritual themes. So in my head, I'm like, maybe that was added later, you know, And no, sure a shit, the original movie it's the same

concept. No way. Yeah, he's like this ancient god that's revered by this Shinto little village on an island, and no way, yep, I was thinking the same thing, like, surely that got added way later, like in the nineties or something like that. I figured the original was just like big Lizard Attack, you know. No, it's like it's this small

village. I think it's called like Odo Island or something like that, and it's this tiny, kind of remote fishing village, and the old folks in the village, like literally the old fishermen that like the kind of kids don't really listen to or whatever. They have this folk tale that there's this ancient monster, Godzilla or Gojira, and they at one point early on in the movie, they're having the Shinto ceremony, which is like, you know,

it's like Japanese religion. They're dancing, they're doing all this like ceremonial stuff with their ceremonial dress and whatnot. And the main character, well, there's a few main characters, but the main character is this young lady whose fiance is like this coastguard boat salvage guy. And then her father is like you know how in every major Godzilla movie there's like a professor, Oh yeah, like I study Godzilla, you know what I mean. And it's her dad.

So they're they're like hearing reports that there's something weird going on. Like it's really cool because like the original Godzilla movie is like horror. It's more like a classical horror. Like for the first like half the movie, you don't see Godzilla, but it'll be like this monsoon comes to the village and destroys it, and then you kind of see like elements of him, like maybe his leg walking past, and they're like, what is it? What

is it? It can't be a monsoon. You know, there's a footprint, and it's like just building this like suspense and whatever. So genius because it makes you like it puts you in the same position as those people, right, you don't know what it is. Yeah, you know, like you're only seeing a little bit like his foot or his like tail, and you're like, what is right. Yeah, there was one point where you

literally just saw like a piece of his leg. Like it's like it's like the shot where you're looking at a house next to another house and there's like this thin alleyway beside him, and you just like kind of see his leg go by really fast. But it's black and white too, so it's hard to see. Yeah, yeah, and obviously we know what it is. But I kept thinking watching this movie. I swear I kept thinking this over

and over again. I wish that I could have gone back in time with what I know now and like watched this in the theater with the people around me and looked at their faces kind of like you know Space Odyssey, you know, like that effect, like what did they think? Were they mind blown? Were they freaked out? Like how did they react? You know?

I wish I could have seen that. But so they're at this little fishing village, like I said, they're kind of like her dad's the professor, So they're, you know, investigating reports of something weird has going on, and they're having this shinto ceremony and one of the older kind of like elders of the village is telling them. I wrote down his quote he said he's seen as well. I wrote, this was my interpretation. He's seen

as an ancient legend to be taken seriously by the old timers. During the ceremony, one of the old timers says, Godzilla is a giant, a terrifying monster. Once it eats all the fish in the sea, it'll come ashore and eat people. In the old days, if the catch was poor, we would sacrifice a young girl and send her drifting out into the middle of the ocean. This dance is all that's left of that exorcism ritual. Wh what. So that made me really happy, obviously because I was pitching

you guys. I was like, I want to do an esoteric Godzilla episode. But you know, like you had the same thought. I was like, yeah, but maybe they added that stuff later. Yeah, maybe it was like the American ones because obviously ex Kong Versus Kong and then the other two twenty fourteen and twenty sixteen ones, they were Americans. So I was like, maybe that was like American programming, But nah, man, it

was. It was baked into the lore. So before I really go into the more esoteric themes of these movies, just a general overview about like, for those who've never seen a Godzilla movie, Alex has never seen one. I'm sure there's a lot of people that aren't into this niche, nerdy shit, and that's totally fine. This was kind of like my hot take interpretation

of like the overview message of Godzilla. It's usually themes about like the power of nature versus the technology of mankind, and most of these movies there's always this like kind of super genius scientist with the white lab coat and he like goes way too far with his experiment, yeah, and create something that can like even the playing field between man and nature. The themes of like man trying to play God and reaching to greater heights with their science and like outpace

what was naturally created by evolution or intelligent design or whatever. And then you have Godzilla, and then in the later adaptations there's these more monsters to kind of like even the playing field and kind of subjugate humanity back down to the level to remind us like, no, you can't reach higher than God, you can't reach higher than nature. It's a metaphor, right, And also I look this up today, I was like, why is it Godzilla minus

one called minus one. It's because the official reason they said is because post World War Two, Japan was at zero. It was devastated by the nukes. It was just ravaged economically, politically, their military was disbanded. So they're at zero starting from zero. But Godzilla attacks now they're minus one. Yeah, isn't that cool? Oh it's such a Japanese title. Yeah, no, it's it's really cool. Did did the original one talk at all about like where Godzilla came from? Yes? And I wanted to go into

that. And it's also that was a shock to me because for some reason, I always thought, for some stupid like I never really looked that deep into it. It was always like, yeah, cool Godzilla movie. You know. I never was this like in to it until I watched the more recent ones and I was like, Okay, there's something really amazing here, some sort of thread that that can be pulled. I always thought that Godzilla

was like born from the nuke, me too. He's not. He's a two million year old, advanced evolved life form that was awoken by the nuke. No shit like Shane Godzilla. Oh that's so sick. So there's there's there's a lot of Uh, there's a lot of stuff in the newer movies that's are homogous to the original, Like sne Godzilla, how they talk about how he's this advanced higher life form that can evolve at a rapid rate.

That's it's all the original, dude, Like they go through these because remember the girl, the main character, Emiko, her father is the scientist, right, he's like this advanced paleontologist guy. It's like Japan's you know, renowned paleontologist or whatever. And he's giving this slideshow to the politicians. When he discovers Godzilla, he gets a photo of it. He's going to pitch to the government, like, this is what I've discovered. It's the biggest

discovery of the century. It's a two million year old life form. He's like, we have a Geiger counter. We measured the radiation and then I found a trilobyte fossilized two million year old life form in his footprint, and then analyzed the sand that was on top of it. And both the trilobite and the sand come from strata deep beneath the earth that's carbondated to be two million years old. So they're talking about did he come from inside the earth.

Yeah, oh my god, which is in that's in the newer movies too. It's the whole like hollow earth. Yep, like he comes from inside the earth kind of thing. It doesn't say that, it doesn't say

like hollow earth, but it's like they explicitly say that. It's like there are sealed off deep sea caverns that are unknown to mankind that he dwelled in for millions of years, which, like most or at least a lot of the kaiju that come from like Japanese movies and shows and stuff like that, often it's the same thing they come from, like either a hollow earth thing or like the deep caverns yeah that we've never explored, or another dimension right

right right, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, And that's another point too, because I'm sure a lot of people like this genre without even knowing that they like this genre, like Pacific rim oh right, oh, they call them kaijus and everything. Well, kaiju movies or any sort of movie period that has ever existed in the history of film, you know, which is only about one hundred and twenty or thirty years. Any movie ever that has some sort of like giant monster fighting with all of these over the

top special effects and Kaiju's and YadA YadA YadA. That all comes from Godzilla. That that's known as tokusatsu. Right, the genre is tokusatsu. Also, I love Kaiju movies. I love it. It's tokusatsu. Oh yeah, it's inspired countless creators, countless, like thousands and thousands. We did an episode about Evangelian, the guy who made Evangelian, which also is the same genre. Yes, it's like giant mechs fighting giant interdimensional monsters. Right.

That guy made shin Godzilla in twenty sixteen, which in a lot of ways was kind of a return to form for Godzilla. It was kind of a from what I understand, it was like kind of a more underground Godzilla movie. Like I don't think it even came to American theaters. No, it didn't. It was completely in Japanese, and it's it was for a long time hard to find, even on streaming services. I highly recommend go find it. It is a weird iteration. It's amazing. It was so

good. It's amazing. I was actually shocked to discover this too. There's only like let me, let me see one, two, three, four, five American Godzilla movies. Ever what every other one is Japanese and like niche to American audiences, and never you know, came and I guess most of those are recent, like like very recent. Yes, So then Godzilla two thousand came out, and then there must have been just a huge gap.

No, No, Godzilla was two thousand was Japanese though it was the nineteen ninety eight one where it's like this mutated iguana with all these like little eggs all around the city. That's the first ever American one. And then this saw that one is just called god just called Godzilla. Yeah, I don't think. And then in twenty fourteen there was the American reboot and it was like and then there's been like four of those. Yeah, right, which is mainly what I'm going to talk about today. But anyway, I

forgot where I was going with that. But yeah, yeah, yeah, the genre is just it's like it's like I said, it's so niche. It's like a tiny little nerdy pocket of the world that most people don't know about that I've that I've always like been into but didn't know there was like a definition to it. You know. I mean I kind of did, but like never really you know, in adult times, it's like anime is the thing you know in that realm. It's like, you know, one

piece and this and that and the other. But it's fun to look back at that old stuff. And then the other thing that I thought was was really cool that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Godzilla, but just the genre as a whole. What opened me up to understanding this was like a bigger picture here. I forgot to say this. Power Rangers was actually explicitly an American adaptation of a Japanese original nineteen sixties counterpart or seventies maybe called Super

Sentai. I did not know it was that old super I did not know Supercentai was that old. Yeah. I thought it was like an eighties like late eighties thing. It could have. It could be, Okay, I just know it was. I've never seen Supercentai way before the Power Rangers. I've heard Supercenti is awesome. So the Power Rangers are literally an adaptation of Supercenti, and like the original, like Mighty Morphine or whatever, it actually like closely follows the main point of it, with the down to like the

costumes being the same colors. There's always starting with a fifth and then there's one that comes later that's bad and then becomes good the sixth. Yes, and every iteration of Power Rangers ever, it's usually like that, where there's like originally five and then there's the sixth that comes in and it's converted. Yeah, he was the bad boy, but then he's like the leader. Yeah, you know, but I had a friend at best Buy. Did

you ever meet Dion No? Okay, he was super into Supercentai and he was like telling me all sorts of stuff about it, and he told me he said, it was like it's actually a little bit more adult than Wow Mighty Morphin. Like you know how Tommy like leaves at one point, Like he comes in and he does his whole thing, and he's there for a while and then he leaves when the show he dies. Oh yeah, yeah, it's like a little bit more adult. But dang, yeah that Super

Sentai was not like intended for kids. It's not for kids. Well, like so is you know, anime is not necessarily either. That's that's the cool thing about Japanese media. Yeah, yes, it's just this. They're they're just like yeah, we made cartoons and they're sick. Yeah, and they're for anybody you know, or action monsters and superheroes and stuff. But

it's awesome, dude. It's like it's just so prolific and and and has like the fact that the fact that freaking Power Rangers came to the West and adapted Super Sentai, I feel like cemented this into the psyche of the whole world, right with like the phenomenon that you know, Power Rangers was or whatever. And then this is what I forgot to say. But there were some other shows of this genre that I used to watch back in the nineties

that nobody ever heard over talked about ever again. Beatleborgs. Oh yeah, I remember that. I was huge into that as I don't watch a ton of it, but I had the VHS sets. I mean, my mom and dad were always I guess my mom was always like buying me these VHS types of these shows that I would like, you know, and like would watch through and you would have like three or four episodes and you would watch them over and over and over and over, and then the movie and you'd

watch it over and over. Back then when we didn't have streaming and all that. Oh yeah, it's just like super you know, nostalgic to me. But anyway, so enough about the Tokusatsu stuff. I wanted to talk first about all Monsters attack and tell that little story. Is that the one with Manila? Yeah? Yeah, I haven't seen it, but at the Azalea Fest, Ryan and Emily were telling me that they watched it and it was like really like cheesy and hilarious, but I don't. I don't know

much about it other than Manila is in it. Well, okay, So the weekend of the Azaliah Fest. When was that again, y'all April something? Right? It was April, sure, April twelfth or something like that. It was when we had just started to work on this house, and Emily and Jennifer and I had to go to Charlotte the weekend of the Azalea Fest, which you know we talked about on the on the Azalea Fest episode, because we had a friend's wedding. We had a mutual friend's wedding,

right, and Jenny was a bridesmaid. So for Friday and Saturday, there were some events that like either me and Jenny would have to go to, you know, like rehearsal dinner or whatever, or like on Saturday Jenny would go to rehearsal or not Saturday. I'm sorry, we went Thursday through Saturday.

I was getting the days confused. And there would be sometimes where with Jenny being a bridesmaid, it would just be me and Emily chilling at the hotel for hours and hours and we're scrolling through HBO and the hotel we're like, what do we watch? And I saw this little picture, you know how it has got the tiles, you know, like on the app with the pictures of the movies and whatnot. And HBO has like all the Godzilla movies. Oh, dude, all of them, every single while I look

today, dude's got all of them except minus one. Right, It's got all of them, the originals. That's where I watched it. And anyway, so I was scrolling through HBO and for whatever reason, the version of it at the hotel was I don't know if it was like Roku TV or you know, every device that has these streaming services has a different software version. So like if you're like I use Apple TV so or if you have a firestick, maybe it's on the same level. It's like the most updated

version. But if you're on like a Roku or something really primitive, it might be like an older version of the app. So I'm literally scrolling through these. No, it's true. You don't believe me. It was funny the way you said it. It's like primitive. I just imagine like cavemen, like watching Roku TV. Bro, have you ever held a Roku TV promote? Yeah? First, but I'm telling you it is preman the first day God created Roku. My sister literally has a Roku TV and I have

an Apple TV. Isn't that the guy's name from Samurai Jack or is that Ak? That's right? No, my sister a Roku and every time I hold the remote, Dude, it's like this. It's just like the buttons on it are weird and and the interface is weird. It's literally primitive. Yeah, I'm telling you, man. You know, I'm just telling you

man. It is caveman shit. It's two million year old shit. And I'm in the hotel using the two million year old shit, and I'm looking at the tiles on the screen and it doesn't have like descriptions like what you usually see on streaming surface. It literally had the picture and the name of the movie, and it was like thirty tiles and I'm scrolling through. I'm like, what are these freaking movies. I've never seen these pictures. I don't know what any of this is. And I see the picture of Manila.

Alex, you have to look up Manila from that, dude, it is so funny. You got anybody listening right now, go look up Manila like type in like Godzilla character Manila, M I N I L L A. And you looked at us. It's ridiculous, right, It's like some Land of the Lost shit, just like some nineteen sixties Godzilla shit. It's like some Godzilla Manila shit. Yeah. And I see that picture and I look at my sister. I'm like, click, we're watching this. Oh,

you're showing the camera. Yes, dude, that's Manila. I'm pretty sure he's like Godzilla's son or he's but but there's also a Godzilla junior somewhere in the lore, okay, and he goes through like you know, a lot of different renditions and evolutions. But anyway, so I see the picture of Manila and I'm like, dude, I don't care what this is. We're watching this and I click it and the movie starts and it literally says it's called All Monsters Attack. It's rated G. It was like it's like

sixty three or four minutes long. It's literally an hour. Yeah, and when it starts, it starts talking about Godzilla, and I was like, no way, we just literally randomly clicked the Godzilla movie or you didn't even know it was a Godzilla movie. No, that's the point. That's why it was so funny, you know, Like I just I thought the picture was funny, and I clicked dude, all Monsters Attack, right, I'm supposed to know what that is. And I click it and they start talking

about Godzilla. I was like what. And like in the opening sequence it had like this little video of Godzilla, and I was like, no way. So we watch it and it was profound. It's about this little boy I can't remember his freaking name, and he's just this cute little boy. Oh sorry, I'm banging on the ed that he's wearing this little hat.

Your your typical little like he looks like nests with a little ball cap and the backpack, you know, yeah, yeah, and he's like got the little school boy outfit and he's going to school and he's getting bullied and he's kind of small and they're like bullying him. His dad works too much. He's being raised by his mom and they don't really make a lot of money. So he's like kind of poor and just eats rice all the time and

he's just kind of like in a crappy situation. Yeah, and he like he like will take a nap, and he starts dreaming that he's on Monster Island, which is where Godzilla lives. It reminds me of that Treasure Island story that you wrote. Oh yeah, yeah, I forgot about that. He falls asleep and he has this little nap that he's on Monster Island and

he's a nap about it. And he falls in a hole and Manila saves him out of the hole and tosses him a rope down and pulls him up, and Manila talks, oh God, and he's like, you know, basically like I'll be your buddy kind of thing, like, you know, just like being friendly to him. And he's like there's some really big mean monsters here, and so he's like trying to tell him, you know, there's this scary spider and there's this scary monster and this dragon in this and

he's they're like hiding from the monsters. And by the way, Manila is like his size, Oh dude, he's little child sized god. He speaks, he speaked. It's all in Japanese, right, yeah, dude, that I need to watch this movie, dude. So the fact that his G is rated G is funny, and I'll get to that in a minute.

So he's like, remember, this is all a dream, and Manila is walking him through Monster Island and he's telling them about his you know, his hero Godzilla, and how he wishes he was big and strong like Godzilla. But there's a mean bully on the island named Gabara. Oh oh oh, he's like this. He looks kind of like a cross between like a lion and a dragon, sorta I don't know how to describe it. And he's like, Gabar is mean. He always beats me up and he shoots

like lightning out of his horn or something and freaking. He wakes up from the nap and he's like, ah, I wish I could go back to Monster Island, you know. And he's like talking about his dream with Manila, and then there's this plot that gets introduced where there's these like burglars who stole like millions of dollars and they're like heinous criminals that are on the loose and they're wanted by the cops. Remember this is a rated G movie.

I'm getting there. And they're like hiding from the cops. They stashed their money and they're like, you know, hiding out. And they're at this abandoned house where the little boy, the main character, goes to like play. So the little boy, yes, why well, they're hiding from the cops. It's an abandoned like warehouse. But the little boy goes and plays

there after school. So it's like he goes and plays, happens to be where they hide, and one thing leads to another, and it's like the next day after school and he sees them there, or they see him there, and they follow him home and they put a knife to his throat and they kidnap him and they tie him up and they take him to their hideout

and they hold him for ransom and they threaten to kill him. My god, this is a rated Yes, child is being kidnapped at knife point, yes, And at one point they say g D Son of a Bitch rated G for Gotta Go with Your Parents present. Yeah, dude, it's literally Japanese. It's hard corn man and so so okay. So just to get to the end of it here, So moral of the story is, he somehow falls asleep again. He goes back to Manila. Manila grows big like

Godzilla. He goes and he grows higher. He fights Gabara and then Godzilla comes in and like helps him whip Gabar's ass. Manila does like a strange little atomic breath thing. Remember I showed you He like he pats his belly and then he goes, oh, yeah, I thought Vanilla did that. Manila. Yeah, it his atomic breath. Yeah, it's like Barney like. He kind of looks like or like Grandma's Yeah yeah, and oh dude, I have to watch this movie. So Manila in the dream teaches the

little boy like how to stand up to bullies and outwit the robbers. So he does so he outwits the robbers and he like out maneuvers them, kind of like Home Alone. Like I was just about to say, so this is like Home Alone? Uh huh with Godzilla. Yeah it is. It's literally like both wrapped into one and he doesn't like he doesn't like set up like elaborate traps. But it's like he outruns them and like covers a hole with paper and then one of them falls. It's like stuff like that,

like he tricks them and because Manila taught him to be brave. And it turns out that like everything that happened in his dream like came true in real life. So I wanted to go. It's kind of like, uh, prophet, yeah, like Wizard of Oz, Like everything that happened in the dream actually came true. And the funny thing is like when he's rescued by the police at the end, they're talking to him and the little boys talking

about Manila. Manila, he saved me. I was on Monster Island and Manila and my friend Godzilla, they taught me to be brave and dude, the end of the movie, they start to say he is a higher power. They started to say, Manila is a higher power from beyond. This is not a real movie. It's a real movie. Brod Mint by the way, Manila, Minnie Zilla. Yeah, it's like it's so it's this is a sixties movie. Uh huh, He's a higher power, the high They literally say that, say, he's a higher power. He's like some

angelic being from what god from the dream realm. Yeah, he entered his dream and he taught him how to stand up to bullies and and saved his life. And that was That was kind of crazy because I had already been thinking about wanting to do this episode. Did he enter his dream or did the boy enter Monster Island? Good question because said everything happened in the real life, right, So did he really Manila really win in real life? Well, the boy won in real life. Manila wanted the dream. Oh

okay, I'm following. But they were like intank, like Manila beat the big bad bully Monster and then the little boys. Manilla is the boy, Boy is the higher power. I was gonna say, it's like a parallel universe thing, right, where like Manila is the little boy. Yeah, imagine access to a higher universe and you're Manila. There's another movie with Manila.

I saw it on HBO today. I didn't have time to watch it, but it was it was it was like destroy All Monsters or something, and I was like, oh, God, is Manila I'm showing to Anyway? I just thought That was so hilarious because it was like it was really, you know, kind of a synchronicity that we stumbled onto this movie when I had already been saying to you guys for like weeks at this point that

I wanted to do it. God's yeah, and I just yeah, after we watched the Kong one, Yeah yeah, yeah, I was like, dude, we gotta do an episode, but I haven't had time too. It's so funny that they were like, he's a higher power. That's the that's the like the main takeaway, like like that's the moral. It's like the end of the movie. Oh my god. The adults, like the authorities are like, he's a higher power. These movies, these older Godzilla

movies can't get real cheesy. Yeah, real cheesy, real quick. I know you'll have seen the gift of Godzilla, like sliding on his tail, like the attack where sliding on his tail. Have you seen his dance? No, Manila did the dance with him. You haven't seen the Godzilla dance? No, dude, you got to see it right now. It's great, man, I'll show you a gift. Oh God, hold on, everybody, look this up right now. Godzilla Wait, is it from this

movie that you're talking about. I think it was introduced in like the sixties and seventies. Look, that's just a guy in a suit. That's the head is like flopping around and shit, oh my god. Yeah Godzilla does a dance. Oh god, that's so good is it? When he has victory and battle? It's just funny to think, like as as awesome like as Godzilla is now, like and as amazing as it is now. It's it's like the biggest cultural phenomenon like that, like seeing where it came from,

like the Goofiest shit. Well, the original was like, like I said, like the nineteen fifty four it was like a horror right, yeah, it was actually like wow, Like I imagine this would have been terrifying if I was watching this in nineteen fifty four. Think about how funny that is that the trajectory of Godzilla went from to Manila. Yeah. Yeah, Like it's it's insane. It's crazy. It's like it is. It's like if I don't know it or something became like a children TV show and he

was like being all silly. Yeah he doesn't eat the kids, but he like feeds them, you know. The opposite them. Yeah, yeah, it's a good one, dude, that could be a cool episode. Two they I just saw today. They just announced a prequel show with the Scars Guard guy. Right, Yeah, I'm gonna watch it. Pretty cool. I wait to watch that. I've not seen the newer IT movies. I'm too scared. They are phenomenal and they are actually scary. Yeah, I'm

too scared of that. They're on my list of like up there horror films. They're both really good. Oh yeah, excellent, nice, excellent. Granted I haven't read the book, but anyway, Oh I haven't either. Do It's like a thousand pages long. It's literally it's like a freaking encyclopedia. Have you seen it? Yes, it's massive. I've started it before when I was in the sixth grade, and I don't think I had the attention span to commit it's huge, you know, but I'm sure it's I'm

sure it's great. Yeah. Also, why did I start that in the sixth grade? Yeah, good point. Yeah, I didn't even hear about it so much later. I don't know, But that's so awesome. Yeah, so he's a higher power. So clearly he's a higher it's evident that since the inception of Godzilla there was always this theme, and that that was a question that I have been tackling in my mind, like is it something that was added later or was it originally there, which you know, we

determined it was. And that brings up another good point that we have talked about before on episode nineteen, Super Esoteric Anime, and the point being that I believe, like just in general and Japanese media, there's this When I say media, I mean like movies, comic books, videos, yeah, video games, anime, whatever. I feel like there's this higher connection with the spiritual, like there's not as much of like a wall between you know,

these spiritual concepts and entertainment and action and all that stuff. And it's very cool. So the modern movies, now we're gonna get to one of the literally most esoteric movies I've ever seen in my life. And then now, granted, having said that, in the beginning of Bledsoe said, so, I cannot remember what episode, but it was one of the very original episodes, saying that Godzilla versus Kong was one of the most esoteric movies I've ever seen. Then, just like a month or two ago, I watched

Godzilla X Kong and it doubled it. Yeah, it was like beginning to end, like so a cult like the whole time, but late, and they were not hiding it. They were not subtle about it in the slightest. It was in your face, very occult. It was just like not even subliminal at all. I'm I'm kind of forgetting about the first I mean, not the one that came out a few years ago, the Godzilla verses Calm. I'll catch you up on that one, and then you help me

out with x com Yeah. Yeah, because we saw that the same night together. And again, I just want you guys to understand that. Right now, we are recording Friday, May thirty, first tomorrow minus one hit streaming. We have not seen it yet. It came out six months ago. I don't know about you, but me personally, I have been very hyped. Everybody around me that has seen it has told me like it's the most fucking mind blowing thing ever. I've been very hyped, Like we are.

I am literally coming over tomorrow to watch it. Ye who we are watching that the day it comes out on streaming. We decided to do this episode to record it tonight, like last week. I found out yesterday that the movie comes out tomorrow. So I wish that I could have delayed this episode to watch that one and then have more to talk about. But it's okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean there's no

guarantees. Who knows. I haven't seen the movie. I don't know if it's like spiritual like the other ones, but yeah, and it's you know, it's just it's just kind of crazy timing. Yeah, you know, but anyway, we're excited. We're gonna watch that tomorrow. We're gonna hang out, you know. And so Godzilla versus Kong. Before I get into that one, because it's fresher on my mind, I do want to briefly just talk about Godzilla twenty sixteen The King of the Monsters, because there's some

very esoteric elements in that one as well. And then the twenty fourteen one with Brian Cranston. Yeah, somehow disappeared from the plot. Maybe he died or something. I have not seen that one since you and I saw that one here and Imax together in twenty fourteen. I probably haven't either. I've never seen it again. Yeah, so I it either and I never even saw the King of the Monsters one that's one with like Godora, and like,

isn't Godora in it? That shits fire? Really, yes, I watch it, that shit's fire in it, or yes, okay, I'll watch it. Yes, major spoilers, but if you like, if you geek about Godzilla bro King of the Monsters collapse, that movie is fire. So I didn't think it was gonna be that good because I saw Versus an X before I saw that one. You know, I didn't think it would be you know, on that level. Holy shit, dude. So the movie starts, he's like trapped an ice or something like that. I can't

remember. He's been dormant for a while. And it's like, again, I haven't seen the twenty fourteen movie in literally ten years, so I can't remember why it picks up at this point and how the one before left off. But there's some characters that overlapped. I can't remember which one was here, and blah blah blah. I just know how they carry over into the next two. So we start off with like they you know, we find out that gosh, the actor who is Millie Bobby Brown, she's in the

King of the monsters, and then the versus one. She's the girl whose dad goes to be like the head of Monarch, which is like this, it's like this intelligence agency that's like deep underground of like black ops research that you know, controls the monsters, right, And you find out her mom is like the scientist that works for them, and they're like kind of split

up because their son died in the first movie. I just can't remember which character was their son, you know, but it's just like very clear that they're like traumatized by it. So they split up and the girl is like kept from her dad. He went off the deep end and she's living with her mom, and her mom has created this device that can like control frequencies

and like mix it can like analyze the monsters. It's obviously worth mentioning for those who have never seen these movies that like the difference between this and like the original Godzilla is like in this established world, there's like tons of monsters, and Godzilla is not like evil. He's not like the destroyer of humanity,

but he's the protector. That's something we've forgot to mention. And the original rendition he's this evil, horrific monster and we totally watched over this too, but he's he's a metaphor about the atomic devastation of post World War two Japan. Yeah, and how yeah, how Japan was completely caught off guard and devastated and like complete reset like right, yeah, right. But in

the newer renditions of Godzilla, he's the protector of humanity. He's the king of the monsters, and he keeps nature in balance, so like when the other monsters come in attack and try to you know, devastate humanity, Godzilla protects the right. So they get this device and they can like analyze all these other monsters and like match their frequency and then create like an alpha signal to like command it and control it, right, and they they like it's

this like kind of experimental like taboo technology. She nails it uses an a Mathra awakens Mathra, which is important because Mathra is like a god and you know, Godzilla, and we'll get to that for the next one of the next movies. So long story short, you find out that they had secretly

been mapping all these monsters and they have one called Monster zero. So skipping forward, they go and they awaken all these frickin monsters that have been dormant for millions of years with this device, and they kind of like reign over Earth, Like thousands of these kaiju like siege the entire planet and it basically brings like a calamity and mankind is going extinct, like literally, it's being

extinct in the movie. And what I want to what I wanted to hit on in this movie is that you find out that Guidora is also the King of the Monsters, but he actually is an alien, which I never knew, but that's how he is in the original as well. He's a He's an alien life form from another world that landed and he like comes from another place, so his like biology and evolution is different. So like he terraforms

the world to like be be equivalent to his evolution. Damn. And like if he, you know, takes control, it turns the world into like basically a nuclear wasteland geese. And the way that like he evolves so sick.

He's a three headed dragon. Oh dude, He's so sick. And the thing that I wanted to hit at specifically was that when Gdora finally awakens and he's like reigning terror over the world, I think he's in Brazil at this point, and there's a shot in the movie where his three heads are up in the sky and the frame has him in front of a cross. I'll show you they turn the symbolism up. There's so much symbolism in these movies. It's the whole like nature like, it's like a god of Nature

type thing. Wow. Literally, look that is so cool. They literally have him in front of a cross and they're like at this point, He's like, I think Godzilla had just cool little flashback here. At this point in the movie, Godzilla had been basically killed with an oxygen bomb, which is how they killed him in the original movie. They killed him with an

oxygen bomb. He dies in the first one, Yeah damn. And then he comes back in Godzilla two, which came out in nineteen fifty five called Godzilla Raids Again and it's another life form that evolves into Godzilla, so it's

like a second Godzilla. And then eventually he dies, which is kind of cool because it's like nature like, it's like a reincarnation like shin Godzilla, rememberacly like he can evolve, Remember the like the final shot in the movie was like it closes up on his tail, and there were like thousands of little ones that were remember they freeze him to the Yeah, but there were all these little spores that were about to spread over humanity. Dude, that's

crazy. He's like an avatar. He's like an avatar for a spirit that's somewhere else and it like has to manifest in earth. Like yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, like when one dies, another one takes its place type thing. Yeah, every time he dies, he always comes back, whether it's Godzilla Junior evolves in him or whatever. Manila, yeah, or Manilla, Come on, man, my homie, Manila. He's cool, man, He really is cool if you give him a chance.

So that that's the main point of King of the Monsters is you find out that, like they just have the symbolism and they go on this whole talk. There's this there's this plot to like eradicate humanity, to let the Titans, uh you know, the monsters whatever you want to call them to, to reign and bring about a forced cataclysm in order to bring out a new order. So right here in the movie, they're giving you this religious symbolism

and it was kind of subtle. And then they're talking about basically a new world order, right, so we got this whole Illuminati thing. Then in God's Ella Verse Kong, they literally are like, no, it's the Illuminati. Yeah, don't they say it? Yes? Yeah in the movie explicitly. I watched it again just a few weeks ago. You did, yes for this episode. Nice. The main character is like a podcaster, yeah, and he's like underground. He's like anonymous on a message board and he's

putting out his podcast. It's like, I think it's like Titan Truther or something like that. Yeah, and he's like, it's always this trope that I love in movies that the crazy conspiracy theorist is always right. He's right. Yeah, he's made fun of always, but always right. He's the one that actually has the info. They're usually kooky, off kilter. Cabin in the Woods saw that. It's a horror movie, but it's a really good one. It's a satire of the genre. There's a character who literally

looks, dresses and acts like Shaggy from Scooby Doo. It's obviously a satire. You know. He smokes weed the whole time, which that's the joke, right, because we're suspicious always the Shaggy smokes. Oh he does. In the movie Cabin in the Woods, this character is super scared of everything, just like Shaggy. He always gets super high and then he has these crazy high thoughts. And the funny thing is you, as the viewer, can see a higher perspective. His crazy high thoughts are always right. So

he's like the crazy kind of like Pineapple Express. Remember how they were like, oh my god, what it They're like tracking our phones or just smashing smack. Yeah, and the whole way through they were right about everything everything. Yeah. Yeah, all their high paranoil was real. Yeah. That's in Kevin in the Woods too, just you know. And then the movie twenty twelve, the disaster calamity film where it's like, oh my god,

the world's gonna end for some reason. In twenty twelve, yeah, there's this like crazy conspiracy theorist guy with a RV and like these satellites and he's like track and shit and no one believes him. And then in the end of the movie the calamity happens and he's like, oh, I was right,

it always happens. Yeah, it's not worth your time. So the main character of Godzilla versus calling is like that lo and behold, he's right, and he's like spouting off all these like conspiracies and I'm telling you, dude, whoever made these movies was like give it to them, give it

to him, give them the truth. And like they talk about like the fluoride and the water making people docile, and how the Nazis would use it on Jews and the concentration camp as an experiment, the secret underground base where they're spoiler alert they're building Meca Godzilla is sub level thirty three. Oh, I forgot that he has the symbol on his jacket which is reminiscent of our soidron. Might I add it might also be intentional and it's like the triangle

with the eye in the middle. Yeah, he has that on his jacket, the Illuminati symbol, and he literally is talking about them. He calls the Illuminati. He's like, you can call him the Illuminati, or they're the mega corporations who basically have created their own paramilitary and government that have a breakaway civilization with advanced technology far beyond our comprehension, that can do things that

we can't even fathom. And then facts turns out he's right, they have these they have underground tunnels that like connect the entire world with like these hyper speed magnetic trains that shoot across the ocean from like Shanghai to Washington, d seed everywhere, like literally a breakaway civilization, which is a real conspiracy. Oh yeah, you know. It like overtly tells you all of these real

conspiracies in the movie, you know. And then finally in the end you find out the friendly billionaire guy who's just trying to like help humanity with his technology. Oh I forgot to mention. They also literally discover hollow Earth. Yeah yeah, yeah, and they go into hollow Earth. And by the way, they have like exotic spacecraft that can traverse space time through a dimensional portal underneath the ocean to go into this. Basically, I believe it's an

allegory for the spirit world. Uh huh. You know, it's all like lush, beautiful nature and like floating crystals and like it's that's in the second one. Oh right, right, right, right, it's all just so gorgeous and like it's it's just nature, you know. The nature is in the first one, but the crystal thing, right, there's no like built up technology and like all this stuff. It's just strictly these like majestic amazing

like huge animals and creatures and like it's it's just like hyper nature. There's this little girl hyper nature. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. But dude, it's like if you think about it out of the box, like if there are people who green light these movies with these esoteric concepts to be in the film, I would think, like when I think of like Godzilla verses, calling a Godzilla X Kong, maybe it's crazy, maybe it's a stretch. I don't know, but I think of it as like allegories of

the phenomenon or just nature or the spirit world in general. You know, like the Monsters and the Titans are like the beings, the spirit world whatever, the forces of good and evil. Oh yeah, it's like that's like the underlying theme. It's like these big like cosmic energies that are actually present that are at war for humanity. Yeah, they're they're battling in ways that we don't see, like these like spiritual battles and stuff we don't see.

I look at these movies as like giving those spirits or those energies like avatars, like things that we can see like personification. Yeah, when they fight in these movies, it feels like the the spirit of good and evil, right, fighting each like clashing. If that's why it feels so epic. It's like something like everything is at stake, right, literally the balance of all of humanity. And it very explicitly says in the movie that Godzilla represents

nature as a force. Kong is the protector of humanity and basically like they're trying to keep humanity imbalance. Yeah, right, which is like what the spirits do, what the beings told my dad, you know, it's all about balance. It's about keeping mankind and balance. They they're like the guardians, you know, they guide us and they watch over us and YadA,

YadA, YadA. But yeah, so they're like you find out that the corporate billionaire guy who like Runt, basically the Illuminati guy who owns this secret society, mega corporate entity that creates mega Godzilla, he's trying to play god. Tower of Babel, Right, it's the story of the Tower of Babel from the Bible, where if you don't know this biblical story, they it's in the Old Testament. I can't remember the book off the top of my

head. But they're building this tower and they're trying to reach the heavens and be as God is, and then God like destroys the tower and then confuses their minds and splits them into different languages. It's like this myth about at one point we were all one language in one world, and we were arrogant, so we tried to you know, reach the heavens and then we were

humbled by God and nature. You know, he's trying to play God by building Mecca Godzilla, and he's like building God literally, that's what he thinks he's doing, you know, Mecca Gora Godzilla. And it's pretty cool how they do it too, because they actually use the skull of Guidora and the nervous system, and then they get this guy who like developed it to get into a psychic trance and telepathically communicate with basically the soul of Guidora to control

Mecca Godzilla. Forgot about that. That's so sick. But then like when something goes wrong, like the the good guys like Millie Bobby Brown, their little friend who they constantly riff on for drinking fluoride water. Because the whole joke of his character is like he's always like, what, these conspiracies aren't real, And then the main character is like, yeah, keep drinking your floor ride water stupid. You know. Again, they're always right though,

you know. But the kid is an idiot and he's like questioning everything. But it's literally all happening in front of his eyes. It's just a running

joke. Something happens with them. And then the guy like his brain fries, and then like Godora awakens, the mind of good Goodora awakens into Mega Godzilla, and then we have this incredible shot of it breaking out of the facility and it literally pans the perspective to where you find out the facility is this black pyramid and there's an eclipse over the pyramid and Mecca Godzilla breaks out of the pyramid and then they fight, whip his ass, and the movie's

over. Yeah, So then we get to the next one, and we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up here. The newest one, the newest one. Yeah, uh, Godzilla x Kong New Empire. As esoteric as the first one was, this one was way more. They doubled down so hard the whole movie beginning to end is like, I mean, one of the main characters is the little girl who is from this like hyper spiritual tribe that doesn't even like speak with their mouths. They communicate completely telepathically. They're like

completely in touch with nature. They like pray to this giant crystal and like worship this giant crystal. It's it's yeah, well dude, it's like Atlantis. Yes, because this like hyper like advanced technology, but it's through this spiritual crystal energy type situation. The first half of the movie is like setting up. So this is the same girl from the previous movie, and in this movie, God's Alex Konga starts out. She's in school, she's kind

of being rehabilitated into society. She's from this ancient native tribe called the Ewi, and they're like lost to you know, to humanity, and she's the last one alive. And they lived on like Kong Island or whatever. And they explained that Kong Island was like uh, Skull Island. Yes, Skull Island was like a part of hollow Earth, like emerging into Earth, you know. Yeah, so you know that's kind of relevant for later. But this little girl grew up there, so that's you know, you find out

that's why she can communicate with King Kong or whatever. She's trying to be rehabilitated into society with all the other normal little kids. And she starts having headaches in school. And then what really caught my eye at the beginning of the movie, I was like, Oh, here we go is it shows her starting to have these headaches, and then it's pans to the clock and it says thirteen thirteen, and then she goes into a trance and she starts

scribbling, and she's like scribbled. You see this trope in horror films all the time. They're scribbling shit. It's like they're automatic writing. The spirits are communicating through and they're like, what are the writing? I don't know. It's like in the sixth sense, you know, he's drawn pictures of people killing themselves with screwdrivers and stuff. You know, automatic writing, right,

very fascinating concept. And she draws this symbol. Come to find out that she was psychically communicated to as a distress signal by this you know, this tribe from beneath the Earth and another dimension aka the Spirit World aka is. The movie calls it the Hollow Earth and they go on this grand journey to you know, get to to Hollow Earth or whatever. It's basically like the whole the whole point of this movie was I feel like setting you up

for the big Atlantis conspiracy. Oh yeah, right, Like half of the movie is this like Indiana Jones Adventure where they're walking through these ancient temples and they're pushing rocks and then a booby trap comes out or like you know, some mechanism opens and it's like, you know, you start to see these crazy crystals that are glowing and then next thing you know, they start talking about I always thought that the pyramids were built using anti gravitation technology, you

know, and it was in the movie. It was it was the crystal energy, right, that was causing Like they obviously gave some weird sciencey explanation for it, but it like it changes gravity, right. Yeah. And she gets to the tribe and then you know, they start to communicate with her telepathically and you find out that she had basically like what I what I felt in that moment. A Granted, this literally just came out in theaters a couple months I think it came into streaming like a couple days ago,

So I'm going off memory from seeing it in theater. But what I felt in that moment was that there was heavy Messiah themes in this film, very heavy Messiah themes, Like the girl was the figure, yes, for sure, It's like they needed her to What were they trying to do with the crystal open the portals? They were trying to awaken author Yeah, some in

Mathra, that's right. That was like the deity that this tribe worshiped, right, that was their god, right, and they were sending out this psychic distress signal for her to find her way home, awaken her psychic powers. Because I think, oh, oh, I forgot. This is why

I got the messianic vibe. Because as they get to this last civilization in the Hollow Earth, you start to see all these monoliths that they have with these ancient like hieroglyphs detailing an ancient battle between the villain of the movie, which was like Skull. I guess this like King Kong, Scar King Scar Scar not Skull. I don't know where I got school from. It's Skull Island, It's but it's Scar King Scar, right, is like an orangutan.

Yeah, And they start to show these like ten thousand or more year old prophecies of like an ancient battle between Godzilla and this uh, this scar And it was like the movie was really driving you to understand that this was like an ancient destiny that was kind of they were being propelled towards for literally like ten thousand years. It was a prophecy, and the conditions had to be very specifically sufficient for Mathra to awaken, to stop it, for Godzilla

to stop it. You know, it's just just like XYZ, condition had to be met for humanity not to be freaking wiped out by this conquering tribe of Kong's or whatever. And this girl fit every piece of the prophecy, which again I can't remember every piece of the prophecy because I saw it in theatre a few months ago. But it was like she was born of a foreign tribe, she lived with normal people, but she had the old native

ways, and she you know, had the telepathic powers. And then lo and behold she goes and she awakens Queen Mathra, which in that moment I was feeling, okay, the return of the divine feminine in order to restore balance to the world of nature, and mankind. They had to restore this feminine deity to work in conjunction with Godzilla because they were the king and the

queen of the monsters. They had to work together. And then bro it literally showed just like in the classic sixties movie, Mathra is like a god, just like Manila is a higher power. There's always this theme of these monsters being a god or a higher power. Mathra is this goddess that these two little girls flying her back. There's two little ladies, but in this newer one, the teenage girl who's you know, the one that's from the previous movies. She flies in on author's back, but she flies in and

I kid you not. Godzilla and King Kong are fighting at the Pyramids of Giza, which, right there is symbolism. And then it shows Mathra flying in and it's like a beam of light shines upon them, and then the girl steps out from the light and she's awakened as a messiah and she like brings them together a very symbolic shot, right yeah, yeah, yeah, of like the the the power behind that girl, right, the importance behind that girl. Yeah, And then and there's probably so much more that I

that I can't even remember. But then it's like, at the end of the movie, I thought of Jesus. I thought, I thought of her being as like a parallel to like a Christ figure, you know, like the Messiah. Like, yeah, she chose to remain among the normal people. Uh huh. You know, she came home, and it was like when Jesus ascended, then he came back and he lived among the disciples,

but then you know, he descends again. And I just remember leaving that theater being we were talking and I said, like, holy shit, that was so occult. Yeah, yeah, beginning to end. It absolutely was like that. They all give you the vibe, all the Godzilla movies give you the vibe, but this one was just all up in your face.

It was fantasmic. It was a good movie too, yeah, like legitimately a good movie type it sounds it might sound silly to some people listening, but like I'm telling you, when you watch movies with this lens, like through this lens, so a lot of the time, not all the time, but a lot of the time, you will pick up on things that you just didn't expect, like symbology and like spiritual concepts, occult knowledge,

like it is in so many movies. This is a movie about a giant monkey and a giant lizard, like you know, but in reality, it's it's crazy that you even the very first Godzilla was like this spiritual, ancient spiritual, like this ancient deity that that this like spiritual tribe in Japan worshiped and made sacrifices too. Like yeah, it's it's just cool to know that it's always been a thing in this series and they're still doing it to this

day. So like, yeah, it might sound silly like Mulkey movie, like lizard movie, but no, watch movies through a different lens, even movies that you've already seen before, rewatch them. You'll probably pick up on some stuff. It's hard, and I feel like with people, especially with the project that's worth like tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, you don't think that, at least sometimes the minds behind these projects don't have some sort

of intention to the message and the theme and the symbolism. The lens that he keeps speaking about and that I keep speaking about is understanding that if if there really is some like small priestly class that that you know, kind of is in charge of things here on earth. They would have some sort of motive or to have this symbolism in their art or in their media. I don't know why. I can't tell you why. I can only interpret it. But it's like what Manly P. Hall said. Manley P. Hall

is one of the greatest ever scholars of esotericism. He was so efficient at like interpreting the mysteries that he was before he died of a mysterious death. He was initiated as an honorary thirty third degree Freemason. He was never even a freemason. He just wrote books about him and wrote books about all these ancient occult mysteries. And you know, he was initiated, and then he mysteriously died and his Masonic books were missing from his library. People speculate maybe

he was killed, but some people say maybe his may did it. I don't know, but anyway, this is one of the best quotes I've ever read in my whole life. It's from Manley P. Hall. Symbolism is the language of the mysteries. By symbols, men have ever sought to communicate

to each other those thoughts which transcend the limitations of language. I believe that if you look at these films or anime or comic books or whatever, you know, popular media you enjoy and you do understand if you, you know, you open your mind outside of the box and you look at it through the lens of is there some sort of interwoven thread of esoteric symbolism deep beneath the first layer of the movie, which is monkey and lizard fight? Right?

The second level is what are the spiritual themes and symbols present? What are these things represent? Right? Yeah, like you're seeing it, but what does it mean? There's something there? Yeah, there absolutely is. There's something there, and I think often it's intentional, and I think just

as often it comes through unintentionally through divine inspiration. Yeah, Because like I believe that art is like a spirit, Like I think it's a source out there somewhere, a muse and it gets like downloaded to us with you know it for whatever reason, it comes through you and then you might not even notice it while it's happening, but afterwards you look at it and you're like, wait a minute, this is this means something. This means something,

and you know there are themes that resonate for whatever reason. I believe it's because we know the truth of We subconsciously know the truth of spirit. These themes resonate with humanity for some reason. This like triumph of good over evil

and collective consciousness. Even like some theme ascension, even though it's usually depicted as a messianic figure, it's the story that we can ascend to this, you know, ye divine level, Yes, you know, it resonates with us even I feel like even the like agnostic and the atheist and like,

these themes still resonate superheroes. Oh, absolutely at its core, even though it's not like they're God's you know, it's like it's it's it's the premise that we inherently resonate with some higher force fighting benevolently for the protection of mankind. Yeah, there's there's a force Spider Man be swinging around the city, But really maybe on a deeper level, it's symbolic that there's some higher power that's protecting us and is upholding justice, peace, fighting for what's right.

I mean, yeah, you Spider Man, like blatantly or Superman or whatever, he's like burdened. Like his literal like tagline is with great power comes great responsibility. He was bestowed this like this incredible power and he is compelled, he doesn't even know why, he is compelled to do good with it and defend people, and like, you know, it's I think it's divine inspiration, Like these themes find their way into art because our spirit knows that

they are important. These themes are important and they need to be like propagated. I think it's both too. Yeah. I think it's what you're saying, where it's like people are, you know, picking up on these themes

like the artist, right, you know. And and then I think there's another layer, which is like, Okay, you guys are really going on about the floor ride in the water and the Illuminati and the mega corporations having breakaway civilization and running the world and trying to play god and blah blah blah blah blah. They're putting that in there on purpose, Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, because they want to initiate people. They want people to know, like, you know, not everybody explicitly knows this information, and so that if they they're like, oh, if I package it into a pretty movie, that's cool, and people go see it because they want to see big monsters punch each other and then I teach them a little something subconsciously that's you know, valuable to their soul. Win when yeah, yeah, I think it happens often both ways, but it's it's awesome. Let's uh,

let's do another Godzilla impression. Okay, you first, I'm you gonna go Alex. No, I was gonna say that I aced my first one, so I'm not going again. I can't drop that. Okay, I'm actually gonna do an impression of Manila. I gotta show Alex gift Man. That's it's funny, dude. Well that's all I got. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. It's been a while since we've done like a more of like an esoteric pop culture one, and I was just really itching to dive

in with my latest obsession. I feel like I got that off my belt. I've just been I feel like I've been on a pilgrimage of Godzilla movies in the last months. And then tomorrow we're gonna put that Kareem on the cake. Baby. Okay, you don't put cream on cake. Icing usually in the cream, Mine usually rises to the top. Okay, what cream always rises to the top. If you ain't creamy o cake, do you get the fuck? All? Right? Bye, guys. Weird things happened

in the backyard, so weird coming closer to us. Players state this straight up, like smiring on the inside of it. No one knows that. Wow, it's come for I ever thought solid chimn