Weird things happened in the weird Weird Weird. Welcome one, Welcome all, Welcome to be here before the fall. We welcome to the green room. A I, we're back in the green room. This is where we're at now. How how my boys doing me? Poor thing? Ryan is super exhausted from working on the house. You've been at it for two months and it looks great. It looks it looks amazing. He's doing a great job. Yeah, enough is enough. You're over it. You're so over it. I mean I get it, dude, every day, day and day
out months straight. It's hard ass work. Like, I'm sure you're beat. But listen, you know who would be doing a great job working in the house. Who you're gonna say that? Oh my god, I was thinking John Henry? Who's that? You don't know John Henry? Hey? Whoa for real? What's the aggression for? Dude? Come on, he's a legend. We about to scrap right now. I have no idea. Really concerned y'all. Hit don't know either. You're gonna fight him? I
mean, I'm really taking a back. Dude, you didn't learn about like talked well, we did go to different elementary schools. Oh my god, are you shaming me for something I should have learned in elementary school. We did go to different elementary school. Tell me about now that I think telling me about it. Remember when you're like learning about like Pecoast Bill and tall
tales and fables and stuff. John Henry was one of them, and he was an old guy with the pickaxe that like they made a bet that the machine could mine to the mountain faster, and he beat the machine and then he died on the other side of it. Come on, man, John Henry, I think you're getting this confused with Johnny Applesy. No, that guy playing Orchards. Oh are you sure? Yeah, because I've heard of that. Yeah, I've heard that was at my elementary school. I learned
about Paul Bunyan in my elementary school. When I text Paul Bunyan, did you do you know who Paul Bunyan is? Because I feel like you would idolize Paul Bunyan. I feel like he would. Paul Bunyan He's just a nature man, right well, okay, and and I'm putting my children into the education system. Yeah, he's a nature man, right Hey, what does that mean? He just chops down trees, and I mean, okay, okay, we're locking. Yeah, yeah, do you know anything else
about him? I mean I think he's a man's man. I don't really remember. He's like, like he's just hardcore. I mean, anybody who chops down a tree. He's also like one hundred feet tall, way taller. Oh yeah, you're talking about you're talking about the Jolly green Giant. You shut up. No, that's a nature man. Yeah, that's the nature man. Yeah, jall green Giant is the nature Paul in the blue Ox. He has a huge blue ox. Speaking of blue ox, this
has to do with Hercules. Okay, there's a Hercules story about a blue bull and a giant. Yes, that's that's where Paul Bunyan comes from. The giant was the son of Poseidon, and Poseidon created the blue bull. Yes, this is literally where the myth of Paul Bunyan comes from. Really, yes, I was closer than you thought. That's true. It was. It came full circle. And who gives a funk about Henry John or whatever. You dude, Come on, I don't give a ship about that.
Dude. You got you got aggressive. I jumped the problem, dude, I love John Henwer That's one of my favorite fables. But like also, someone told me he was a real dude. But I don't think that's true. Well my pretty much my entire life. I thought the Trojan Horse story was real. It wouldn't it could be. I believe there's nothing about that story that that is, you know, magical or fake, except for like Poseidon and Athena being there and like Zeus like raining down lightning bolts.
Have you read the Odyssey? That's what it's from. Wait, no, is it from the Iliad? It's from the Odyssey. I think that's in high school. Bro, We're not paying attention in high school. Yeah, yeah, you're right, Okay, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure in that story he also is trapped in like an endless time loop by a witch that turns people into pigs. So I don't know if that was a real story. What are we talking about? The Odyssey or he fights a cyclops,
he fights a cyclop a giant could be real though. Actually there they have found bones that have like an eye socket, like right here without I'm just thinking we did a Dragon's episode, bro, and now we're sitting about bones and got my antenna going. I feel like I'm always on this end of the table of like you are end of the table. Yeah, I love this table. Yeah it's nice. I like my corner the table that all everyone listening and watching can see. So we haven't explicitly said it yet.
Where's my there's my camera? I always forget now on the new setup, Like I said it the first time I we did. We talked about it, and we thought it would be really fun to do an episode on like different mythological figures, so well, less figures and more like we thought it would be a cool idea to kind of give like snap reactions to different myths myths throughout different cultures, different mythologies. Alex didn't understand that that was
the plan. So this is I'm gonna explain real quick what happened. I the idea just came into my head, like we were trying to come up with the next idea things. It's been so crazy, like trying to plan the show while we have all the stuff going on, Like everybody's so busy right now. I had this idea, like, oh cool, we could give like snap interpretations of like different myths, Like we don't really look too
far into them. We just kind of like like glance over some myths, pick out some cool ones, and then we'll read them on the show and we'll give like our snap real time interpretations of them. Right, So, Alex I text that to the chat and Alex is like what He's like, He's like, it's like, I don't know any men. Yeah, He's
like, I literally have no idea what y'all are talking about. And I was like, bro, you know the myth of of of Hercules, the myth of I listed, like between me and Ryan, we probably listed nine or ten different myths. And apparently what happened was Alex heard Hercules and went, I'm doing that one. Bet I got it. So he literally text us, I call Hercules. And then I get here today and we're getting ready to record, and he's like, bro, I listened to an entire
audiobook about Hercules today. I'm so prepared. And I was just like, oh, the opposite of our idea. I was like, oh, sick, okay, cool, but you know what, it's fine, Yeah, it's gonna be great. I'm really honestly super geeked to hear think about it. That's awesome. I Honestly, I didn't know the snap. I missed the Snap reactions part. I thought we were just doing like myths listen.
So I was like, I'm gonna pull my weight, you know, I'm gonna So I listened to his whole audiobook at work at one and a half time speed, like so I'm I'm ready to go, dude, man,
So I'm pumped for this. Yeah, we were. We were kind of thinking about well, granted we did also talk about this on the phone yesterday and you weren't present for the conversation, but we were kind of thinking it'd be cool to like discuss the general overarching themes and in certain myths and talking about like how they relate to a lot of the subjects we talk about on this show. So like, if you noticed, I don't know what you picked. I don't know if you told us which one you I have not
would you like to hear them or you want to Wait? I thought we were supposed to share them, but that's fine. No, I'm saying like, like, do you want to know which myths I got? Sure? Yeah, okay, they're all Greek spoilers. Well, you know, no big surprise, you know, I didn't see that coming. Ye, yeah, yeah, who would have thought? They're all seven? But I picked a Greek one nine, thank you. I intentionally tried to pick ones from
different cultures. I didn't uh, So I got Clash of the Titans, the Theogyny sweet uh, Theseus and the Minotaur with the uh and and the myth of Sisyphus. Nice. I also got a bonus one in there, Euros and Psyche, but that's just nice. Yeah, if we need another one. But the first three are the ones that I spent a good time, like glancing over a bunch of different Greek myths, and I picked the ones that I thought were cool sweet. Yeah. But Alex, go ahead
and tell us about Hercules. Do you really want to know? I mean, listen, I mean we might as well start with Hercules, since like that's the only one that I'm cast. Well, there's a lot. I found a lot of themes I want to hear it. There was a lot of interesting. He was just a very troubled dude. But I guess that's what's going to happen when your dad is Zeus. So yeah, Zeus is his father and some no, no, Harah is his stepmother. Nora a
demi god. Yeah, yeah, he's a bastard. Yeah. So Harah hated him, and she's really the reason his life was so messed out straight up. She wanted him dead. Yeah, she tried to kill him. So but his stepfather, so his mother married a king and he wasn't like a super special king, but he was a king, and so he took a very fond liking to Hercules and like set him up good. He had three tutors. He had a sport tutor, a like a theory tutor,
and a music tutor. And his theory tutor, No, his sporting tutor was a centaur and was like from a very young age, was like, do not drink, like never drink, warned him do not. What was his name? Was it Kirn, which is like the god of the centaur by the way, right, like you notice there's Kirn and the astrology signs. Well, yea, this is the story of how he got let's go Hercules. Hercules threw him into the sky. Yeah, after he accidentally well
we'll get to the point. Yeah. Anyway, so he's like thirteen, He's like, why are you telling me not to drink? Like I'm so anyway, his story really kind of starts weird when he's in the woods and there's two women and there's, uh, he said, like a stone, like a cold stone, gray looking woman at the base of a tree inside
the tree hollow. And then there's like this, her name was Vice, this like smooth talking which woman up at the top of the tree, and they were like, came here, boy, step closer, boy, and she like came down and is like caressing him and was like, basically, do you want a life of hardship or do you want a life of ease? And so she was ease, Vice, and this other woman was a life of hardship. And he remembered what his theory tutor had told him.
I can't remember the tutor's name, but he was like, hardship makes a hero, makes a hero wise and strong. Like basically, he was a thirteen year old boy feeling uncomfortable because this grown woman was like groping him, and he was like just mocking his tutor by saying these things just to avoid the awkwardness, is the way the book put it, and ended up choosing the hard life. And they were like so confused. She's like she hasn't
won one in a hundred years. And then so he chooses the hard life nice, which is yeah, very noble basically like you're just gonna endure hardships. And he was looking to the hero's journey, which that was the first real like something to this. He wanted to earn his place in Olympus or something to this that was well, he didn't know at this point. He didn't know who his dad was. He was just surrounded by really good people,
solid tutors, and yeah, he just knew he was different. He was like shorter and just he they called him square because he was just as big wide as he was tall, like, but it was all just brute strength and he was He's crazy dude. And his stepdad was a real og for a while until he got to lit. So his stepfather basically wanted him
to stay in the in Thebes, which was like the city. So his stepfather like actually well had him marry his step his stepsister so that he could become like so that's where that comes from, right, exactly right, exactly right, So he basically like adopted him. He became Hercules of Thebes, and then he tried to get everybody to drink a toast to thebes, and Hercules wanted to adventure. His life had been so easy up to this point.
He was like thinking that the woman the women in the forest were liars, and so he was like, why aren't you drinking? He was like, what do you mean My chirn told me never to drink. He's like, you won't just have a sip to thebes. You don't like thebes, blah blah blah, like guilt tripping him over not drinking. He's like, I'll toast with water. And then his wife was like, toast with water.
You're crazy, that's bad luck. Blah blah blah. So they guilted him into drinking this wine, but he was really mad at his dad because he wanted to marry his other sister, other stepsister, because she was cool and liked adventure and anyway, they basically gilted him into drinking, and then he drank all the wine at the function, every bit, every drop of wine, got blackout, drunk, went into a rage because he was so mad, killed his mother, killed his wife, killed all of his ch
aildren, killed the servants, and then uh was running to kill the king, slipped hit his head on the wall and woke up the next morning and realized what he did. Damn. Yeah, I don't remember that from the movie. So but this is interesting. It's like an interesting point of alcohol too. But the where it gets interesting is his his father, his stepfather, the king, had gotten bitten by a snake earlier in the day before this, and the snake was Harah, and Harah hated him because he was
the bastard he was. She was mad at her, at Zeus. How could Zeus love a mortal woman over me, a goddess? Yeah, and so she was like, because you act like that, Yeah, yeah, straight up. I mean he did it dozens and straight up. I mean it's just basically, it's just cruel women ruining this poor Hercules life. It's true, that's ultimately what's happening here. It's also it is like that in the movie and the Disney movie. At least they got that right. I've
never seen the movie. Oh dude, you'd love it. It's not like very accurate at all at all. You want to know the real reason why, Like big Hercules guy, it's like a sappy, sappy reason. Apparently I don't remember this, but I saw it in home videos. But apparently because my mom filmed everything. Apparently, when I was really really little, like toddler, my parents would chant that at me something and they'd be going, Hercules, you know why, right, because they saw that on the
nutty professor. I don't know if that's really why, but I don't know either, but that's that's where it comes from. Anyway, what happens after this? So, okay, so he kills and so then the king screams out in the morning, he screams out to the god Zeus, like you have to do something, you have to kill this man. He's a murderer. He murdered his old family whatever in a drunken rage. And Zeus came down, and Zeus has a soft spot for his boy, and he's like,
man, you know, I don't really know what to do. Like it was really Zeus respected the game, like Zeus is fucked up, Like Zeus is not a good guy. No, so he saw he all he saw from Hercules doing all of that, like horrible boy. Yeah, it was like damn well, no. He came down and was really like, you know, it wasn't Hercules, it was the alcohol. He was like
this, you know, this ain't him. And then Harah pipes up and is like, well, why don't you make him the servant of his cousin, the bond slave of his cousin for twelve years as punishment because in her mind she's like she's gonna torture him, right, So he's like, what a great idea. So basically gave Hercules as a slave to his cousin,
who was basically just a little bit like this is okay straight up. Every time Hercules would come into the room, he would hide in a bronze He had a brass or bronze box chest mate so that he could hide in it when Hercules came in, because he was so scared of Hercules. What. So he was just this wimp wimp king had everything he wanted, but like just total wimp. Right, So he is like, oh, go kill
this lion at that slain one hundred people. So Hercules shows up, beats the lion to death of the club skins him with his bare hands, comes back wearing the lion's pelt, and that freaked the little kid out, like the little wimp out. Yeah, So then he sent him to kill the hydra. Killed the hydra. Then he sent him to kill a boar. Killed the boar? Are these of his labors? Yeah? These are his
twelve labors, and I'm trying to remember them all. Anyway, He's he goes on these quest of just absolutely destroying everything that he's told to He's like super noble. I mean, he's got honestly like a pretty good deal. He just shows up and they're like, he's so scared of Hercules. He's like, what can I just send him out to do? Like I wasn't ready. We weren't supposed to do that that fast, like you were supposed to die, you know. And so he sends him out, and where
does it get interesting? It's pretty interesting already. Yeah, I'm trying to like trying to remember some of the things that I thought about that were we're really relevant here, really just kind of reciting, yeah, just reciting the whole story. The thing that I'm really curious about is like, based on what you've read and what you know, how what do you feel like is the deeper meaning of the story? Yeah, the moral of the Hercules myth.
Well, one big thing is definitely that he like he like chose the hardship path. Yeah, that's a huge part of it. I mean, he he, he chose to put himself through all of that stuff, and he took the advice, and he wanted a life of like glory, and he wanted to walk the hero's path rather than taking the easy life, because like a lot of the gods of Olympus are just like chilling. They're like, I don't got to do nothing. I'm just gonna go out and be
a delinquent hooligan and whatever. Yeah, it was interesting because you know, I had this thought and this is kind of unrelated, more overarching related here. I had this thought and it was like, we're created in God's image, and then you have all of these like gods, right, these Greek mythology gods who are so very human in the sense that they like respond to emotion. And that got me thinking, like, we're created in the really
in the image of God. You have all of these guys that were more or less created by people like these are Demand's rendition of these gods, and they're all very emotional and they all mess up. Oh yeah, like they're not perfect. And now we have this image of a perfect God and everybody likes to go, well, if your god was so perfect. Why famine? Why this? Why bad thing? Why bad thing? But then you think about it, like through this lens, it's like, well, maybe
God is just a little bit more person than we like to think. I mean, like he's been portrayed this way with these gods. Like who's to say he doesn't have a bad day and bad things happen, you know what I mean? Like you have bad days and bad things happen. You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, I was actually listening to a podcast today,
Rain Wilson's podcast. He had Surge Tankian on from System of a Down and they were talking about how, like, you know, pantheism like this, this idea of all of these different gods representing different aspects of nature is like, in a way, a very it's like a very true, noble way to look at God, like the spirit of all things, because you look at you know, they used to look at the sun and and praise the sun, and pray to the God of rain, and pray to the
God of the forest, and prayed to the God of the harvest, and you know it. They saw God in everything in their own way obviously, but you know, the whole idea of like not having this like face of an overarching God, but rather seeing the energy of God in all things, represented as these humanoid deities that are the quote unquote God of that thing. It's it's really just an abstract way of worshiping the true spirit of all things
in each aspect of nature. You know, it's not it's not literally that they're worshiping all of these different gods, or some of them were, but the true like scholars and say ages of the time recognized it as you're worshiping one entity. You're just doing it through all these different faces, you know. Yeah, I like the more like the Hindu version, which is like there is one ultimate, supreme, transcendent God that they recognize as Brahma and
Brama. Is this it's basically the idea that there's this impersonal, ultimate higher deity, but all of these different you know, you have like Hanuman and Krishna and Shiva and Kali, all of these different Like when you get deeper into Hinduism, it's not that these are literally gods, but it's that they
are different archetypal expressions. This stimulate our imagination because God is so infinite and so inconceivable and unfathomable that in every different person on the planet, we all have different perspective, different different ways of thinking about life and interpreting things and experiencing things, that in the sense that God is inside every one of us, there is some different archetype that resonates with each and every one of us
in a different way that it resonates with everyone else. Yeah, same kind of concept. It's the same kind of concept, except the Hindus like it was more explicit, like you know they there is Brahma, the overarching God. Then yeah, but it's it's kind of I like that outlook of it. It's you know, thinking about it is not worshiping literally all these different gods, but they're all aspects of the one God. Yeah, like that's
really cool. But then it's like at the end of the day, you know, the truth is the truth, you know, and there really can only really be one transcendent thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's just being reference in it as all these different figures or yeah, yeah, or like we you know, over time have understood it from different lenses. You know, for sure, for sure got about hercules. Well, I forgot the one of the coolest parts I think was was before all of this,
when he's in the cradle. Hara so mad that this child is born. She sent two serpents into his into his cradle to kill him. He choked, choked both of these serpents and just laughing about it, and then was mad when they died. That's in the movie. It's a little different. He's like giggling and he grabs them and he's like ah and he chokes them, Yeah, chokes them out. Dude's just a fighter, like, not in the sense that he's aggressive, like he like, okay, yeah,
whatever, he killed his family. He was drunk man, you know. And then I feel like there's a lesson there, oh for sure, for sure, Like the whole why do they call it spirit stuff? Yeah? Yeah, no, that's a main takeaway. And he didn't listen to the sage advice of his mentor you know, like yeah, and if you really think about it, that one decision to drink was an emotional decision driven by he was mad at his father because he wouldn't let him marry the other
girl, and after he had promised drunkenly promised earlier. So the dude drunkenly promised, then everybody's drunk. He starts getting drunk. Emotional decision to begin drinking, bad decision. And then and then it all comes full circle when he goes to try and meet up with Kyron, and Kyron is scared of him because he says, if a man drinks once, he'll drink again. And up to that point, Hercules had not drank. After he killed his whole family, He's like, man, I don't drink. This stuff ain't
good. But then when he found out that his mentor was scared of him and thought that he would drink again, he got mad and drank again and then shot his mentor with a poison arrow that was the poison from the crab Cancer that Hara had sent to kill him. After he killed the hydra, the crab came up out of the swamp, and he killed the crab and then took the arrow out of the crab with the black poison on it. Harah got so mad at the crab she threw it into the sky and created
the constellation Cancer. And then he, in a drunken haze, shot his centaur friend Kirn with this poison arrow. But Chyron is immortal, so He's just writhing in pain all night, writhing in pain all day. He's like, you fool, you shot me with a poison arrow. I can't die. I'm just in pain. And uh so Hercules pleads with the gods and basically takes his friend and throws him into the sky and he becomes the constellation. Sounds like his mentor was right about this kid, and what did he
get for it? He got thrown into the sky. He was scared of him, and he did the thing he was scared of ye and he heard him. Yeah, it was more of like a but it was in a weird like don't meet your heroes kind of sense, like it was he wasn't He was going there planning on seeing his friend, like just wanted to. He was on a mission. He hadn't slept inside in years, and he was like, man, I just want to see my friend. Well, the dude that was at the house was like, nah, dude, your
your friend's scared of you. And he's like, he called him a fool. He called him. The dude he was Hercules was talking to called Kirn a fool, and he was like, you call my mentor a fool, He's right, and he drink again. I'll show you he's right. Yeah, it was. It's all weird, right, that is weird. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy kind of yeah. Yeah, or like the further you run away from your fate, you ultimately meet it. And he decided
his fate early on. But like you know, it's it's like it's gotta be tough if you're half got well, yeah, that was like his whole plight and also like estranged from his actual blood, like he didn't get to live in Olympus with his actual blood. You know. Yeah, Hercules, I changed my mind about my myth. Okay, I want to talk about a biblical myth, all right, the myth of Job. Mm hmm, like from Arrested Development. No, this is Job Job. Yes. I
think it's a very important story. It's something that h my dad has always talked to me about growing up, and it was very important to him. You guys familiar with the Book of Job very much. It's a negative no, Yeah, my dad talked about that one a lot too. Yeah. I feel like a lot of dad's talked about that one. You know. It's such a great story. So essentially for those that aren't aware of the
Book of Job. It's this guy who's it's this Old Testament humble guy who I say humble because he's not like a king or a prophet or anything like that. And he's basically like known to be the most loyal to God, like literally like the angels in heaven and God and even I guess it says Satan get together and they make bets about how loyal he is, you know,
they'll never curse God. He was also a very wealthy man, was he The reason that they made that Satan made that bet was because he was like, well, yeah, obviously he rides for you because he's look at him, he's thriving, he's got everything. He has this successful farm, and he's wealthy and successful and has a happy family, and like, obviously
he worships you. Yeah, And Satan was like, I bet I can get him to curse you, And God's like, I don't know, you know, he's my most loyal So they have this bet, and basically the bet was you can do anything to get him to curse you. You just cannot kill him. That's basically it. You can't kill him, you know, you can kill his livestock. You can kill his family, you can send him plague, whatever you want to do, just don't kill him.
And ultimately he had I don't remember how many children he had, but over the course of months or years, he basically was hit with famine plague. All of his wealth went away. His wife died, his children died, They were all killed with plagues. He actually was cursed with painful boils all over his body, where even when he laid down he was and writhing pain. All his livestock dead, He had nothing left, and down to the last moment of despair, he never cursed God. And God wins the bet.
And I think because of that he was blessed tenfold and all of it came out. He got a new wife, he got like more kids, upgrade. Everything was upgraded. More kids, new wife, more livestock, more wealth. Now, obviously I don't believe that this literally happened. I think that it was like an old metaphor about you know, keeping your faith in God through hardship. It can get down to the lowest low, but then you know you're rewarded tenfold for your faith. And I think that that
is like very profound when you think about it. I mean I do. I do think it's true. I think that when you because it's like, why do hardship happen except to be the test for how we're going to react when things are bad. Yeah, yeah, And you know the whole thing of like Satan saying, well, yeah, of course you're of course he's happy in worshiping you because he has everything right? Of course he does.
But is he going to do that when he has nothing right? And it's that that that absolutely is a testament of like are you still going to believe when things are bad? Are you still going to pray when things are bad? Are you still going to like praise God when things are bad? It's so easy, like to be you know, have faith, or to be positive or optimistic when things are good, when you're wealthy, when you don't
have stresses, when you don't have things to worry about. But then like, I literally believe, like blessed is the person who can do those things when things are bad, when things are tough, you know, and growing up, my dad would always tell me, like, because of things getting hard, he was like, it's like job, I feel like I really relate to the story. It's like job, and someday it's all going to come back, it's all going to turn around and be positive. And he's
just like, we just got to keep our faith. And you know, God's time is different than our time. It works on a longer scale and all this, and you know, I don't know I think that is. It's it's just really like profound to me to think about. No. Yeah, that's the reason that I'm familiar with the story is it is the same with my dad. Like stuff was tough a lot growing up, and he was just always like, look at job, he was blessed tenfold because he
kept his faith. Just keep your faith, keep praying, keep you know, read your Bible. Yeah, but I mean that's really it. That's really the story. It's a short story, yeah, but it's an important one. Yeah, you're definitely quiet over there. I just I didn't have to read a whole book that I think is it's but it was more just me understand I'm misunderstanding. Also, I'm just super hyped up on the fact that they have audio books on Spotify. Yeah, I have really I've read
three books this year on on Spotify audio books. Like I'm I'm actually getting some reading in because I can listen to it, like that's yeah, that's awesome. Dad's book is on Spotify now yeah, actually, well yeah, no it is, but me and Olivia were. She doesn't, we're on the family plan. She can't listen to it, but I can. I don't know. That's weird. Yeah, it's not really any thoughts on job anything stand out to you. Yeah, a lot. Not interesting, the
same thing y'all said. I mean I was. I always grew up being told the greedy become the needy in the sense that like the tighter you hold onto things like that material things, the quicker they just fall through your hands. Yeah, but like I think life has a way of bouncing back, man. And it's like somebody told me in the insurance game, somebody who went through like highs and lows of making a lot of money, and he was just telling me, like, you got to change your mindset about things.
You got to have faith, and there's going to come a time when you're ready in your life that God will be able to open a faucet for success and it'll just pour like water and it'll be like nothing you've ever experienced, and you just have to have the faith. Now, put your head down, do the work, and you have the faith, and eventually that faucet is just going to turn on and everything's going to change. And I was like, wow, that's really profound to think about. And I do
think that's true. Like we talked about this on Nature Loves Courage. It's kind of a similar thing, I believe, like they're not quite the same thing, but I think they're similar things like you keep your faith. Really like when things are low, you keep your faith, you keep your high spirits, you keep your optimism, and things turn around and they bounce back.
But then it's like I think if you lose your faith. And when I say you know your faith, I mean in the fact that there are good possible outcomes, that there are forces that want to help us, that are willing to you know, meet us happy. Yeah. I mean if you think about it from like a personal perspective, right, like, are
you going to be more apt to help somebody with a shitty attitude? No, are you going to be more app to help the person who's always smiling, who you would never know, you know, is going through hardship because they are just like, Yeah, everything's great, I'm on this side of the ground. You know, life's good. Like it. The attitude just absolutely dictates everything, Like you are in control me and you were talking about this the other week, right, Like you're in control of your emotions at
all times. It's not easy. It's not an easy thing to transmute a bad day into very positive emotions internally, but like you are in charge of what's going on behind here well, even like emotions, Like I think sometimes it may be impossible. Like you have your logical your rational mind, and then you have your emotional mind, and I think, like it's totally alright for your emotional mind to be freaked out, like, oh my god,
things aren't going okay, things aren't going okay. But then in your rational mind, your logical mind. I think that's the key where the faith comes in. It's like you think about it logically, like, no, it is gonna be all right. It is gonna be alright because I do have some level of control over my situation. I do have the ability to navigate through this, and I know that there are forces out there that are willing to help me. But things are unfolding in a way that is beyond my
perception, and I don't understand it. And sometimes things you know, just have to be bad. Maybe it's a test, maybe it's a lesson, whatever, But I don't know. I think the story of Job is super profound. Yeah, I think so too. That's a good one. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna do my first one. Ready, I'm as ready as i'll ever be. Let's talk about the theogeny, the Clash of the Titans. Are you guys familiar with this story at all? Isn't this a movie, remember the Titans. Clash of the Titans, though, is
a fantastic movie. There's a really old one and then there's a newer one that they did fantastic. It's so good, really good too. Yeah, yeah, totally okay. According to Hesiod's Theogony, in the beginning, there was only chaos. Dense darkness covered everything until the Earth was born out of chaos, and the mountains, the sea, and then the sky Uranus with the sun, the moon and the stars. So it's like before everything was just dark chaos, and everything was born out of that. Then you're in
a and Earth came together and gave birth to the Titans. Not the football team, but Uranus was afraid that one of his children would take his throne. That that is why he enclosed every one of them in the depths of the earth. But his son Cronus, the strongest of the Titans, defeated him and became the world leader. He married Reya, who gave birth to two gods and three goddesses, Hades, Poseidon, Herah, Hestia, and Demeter. But Cronus inherited the fear of his father and believed that one of
his offspring would later take his throne. So when they were born, he what did he do? Popquiz? What? Pup quiz? Pupquiz? Nope? He ate him. Yeah, well I didn't know that. Wouldn't you have to cut him up before you eat him? No, dude, he was like bigger than mountains. He was like they were like tic tac size to him. He ate him. Uh, yeah, he swallowed them.
However, Reo was expecting a sixth child and fearing it would share the same fate with her other children, she secretly gave birth on a mountain in crete and hid the newborn there. She named this child Zeus. She also tricked Cronus into thinking he swallowed this child too, by giving him a stone wrapped in swaddling clothes, which Cronus swallowed, thinking it was his newborn. The nymphs took care of Zeus and fed the baby with the milk of a goat.
When he grew up, Zeus found his father had tricked him into drinking a mixture of wine and mustard. Iww that too. I mean it can't be that bad. I mean, if you think about like ancient wine and then ancient mustard, they got myths about how bad it is. That's about all this. Yeah, yeah, it's right here. Yeah, it's it's right here, plain and simple. Dude, it's bad. You want to try it. I'm just saying, there's a lot of things worse than eating that fair to the Greeks. No, why is sacred to the Greeks.
It's ambrosia. It's the nectar of the gods. Uh ask Hercules about it. Yeah, oh yeah. Uh So his father tricked him into drinking a mixture of wine and mustard, which caused him to disgorge the contents of his stomach. Zeus's older brothers and sisters came out of Cronus fully grown. This is how the Great Tinomachi began the war between the giants and the gods,
with Zeus as their leader. This Titanic battle lasted for ten years. The gods ultimately defeated the Titans and threw them into Tartarus, a dark and gloomy place as far from the earth as Earth is from the sky. Then the gods fought with the giants for the dominance of the world. The Giganta Machi lasted a long time as well, but the gods were again victorious. Thus Zeus became the ruler of the whole world, and he and the other gods
settled in Olympus. Thoughts number one, I think, I think the whole thing with the myth of in Greek mythology, everything prior to creation being just chaos. Chaos, Yeah, just like dark chaos is kind of it's kind of symbolic of like it's like directionless, it's meaningless, it's it's volatile, it's it has no depth, meaning, no, no, nothing, it's not It's interesting because like, okay, the Bible, the myth of the Bible, you know, is that there was just nothing before, everything was
just nothing. But in this myth it's like it's not nothing, it's chaos. And then through out of chaos came order, which is the Masonic motto. Pretty cool. I don't know what do y'all think. I think that's pretty dope. Well, dude, you can look at so many different mythologies that say the exact same thing. Like the Babylonian mythology in the beginning was the darkness, and it was some bolic of I think it was Tiamot and
she was like a seven headed dragon. Yeah, yeah, all these heads writhing in different directions, and it's it's this chaos, this great void of the universe, before there was light, before there was form, before there was order. And then Marduke slays the dragon with this special blade and cuts its head off, and then you know, brings order to the universe.
Yeah, or you have the myth of It's like that. In Egypt, some of the versions of the story are like Noon the goddess of the watery abyss of you know, the void, and then you have amun Rah or some people say Pitta forged the universe, or I say some people as in like it changed over the dynastic periods of Egypt. You know, they altered their myth and stuff like that. It's everywhere, this this concept, and I think there's a reason why the Freemasons are saying out of chaos order.
I think there's something to it that's very true, you know, yeah, I agree. Yeah. There's a couple other cool themes though, in the story of the Titans and stuff like breaking generational curses. Yeah, that too is a huge one, Like if Cronus hadn't followed in his father's footsteps, you know, it would have been different. But then also it's like the twist of fate thing, like, yes, there was this massive, cataclysmic like battle, cosmic battle, but it was ultimately fate, like it couldn't
be reversed. It had to happen that way, and everything that is came because that happened. It's like it's like one of those things where it's just it's written in the stars and it's destiny, it's fate and it must be that way, and you know, it's it seems like utter chaos, but there is a re in for it. There's a cosmic reason that all of these things are happening. The according to Greek myth, the realms as we know it, the world as we know it wouldn't exist without that huge catastrophic
battle and all of that weird like child eating and shit. So I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, no, it's super cool. I think another element that might not be the intention, but it's like, damn bro, Like, if he didn't kill his own dad, maybe he wouldn't have been like, you know, hiding his peace with his one eye open at night while he's asleep, thinking now, my son's gonna kill me. That's what I'm saying. He had this guilt like, yes, you know, this
dude's capable of what I did. Yeah, you know what I mean. But he thought that because he did it, he did it. Yeah you know. I don't know if that was the intention, but that's what I
picked up. I also like just what y'all are saying too. I also think that if he hadn't ate his kids, she wouldn't have a reason to hide the last one, and it probably never would have happened, exactly, Like, there's no reason to get at your dad if you never ate your brothers and sisters, right right, it's he brought it on himself, right well, and then it's like he manifested that negative things. You so tweaked out about it and all she wanted to do was see one of her kids
grow up. I guess yeah. Literally, it's like karma. Could you imagine being like one of freaking Kronos's teenage daughters. Man, You're like trying to stay out, you know, till eleven PM with your date or something, and you know he's like, you got to be home by nine pm, and they're just like, go eat rocks, dad, you know, just go drink mustard. Yeah, actually, did I know? Yeah?
Well, I mean imagine being trapped in a stomach with your brothers and sisters for like your whole life, Dude, what do you what are you doing there? And then a rock just plops in? Like what the fuck was how stupid? Mustard? And ki children and rocks and are just creating a soup in this stuffy well. I mean, if the dude's eating rocks, he should be scared someone's gonna take his place. I mean, nobody wants a leader eating rock. Yeah, I'd follow you if you ate rocks,
Alex. Screw that, I don't even need it. What screw that? Screw that dude, man, Yeah, I'm thinking that, like he ate a rock and he's the leader of the universe. Yeah, they got him to eat a rock. What an idiot, dumb ass, stupid idiot. Well, if my feeds me a rock, I'm gonna know something's up. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's super cool. You should watch the movie, man, it's really And then there's a sequel called Wrath of the Titans. I have not seen that one yet. Does he eat them
in the movie? I don't. They don't show, no, no, no. The story this is after they come out of the stomach. It's different. Well, the Titans and the gods and stuff are involved, but it's more so I think it has to do with like the Trojan War. Maybe it's been a long time. It's like not, you know, like that. I think it's the Iliot in the Odyssey. Maybe I don't know. I don't think. So it's been a long time since I've seen it, so I probably just sound like an idiot, but it's I remember it
being I don't think it's the Ilio. Yeah, probably not, but I remember it being an awesome movie. I know that much for sure. So we should all watch it together because it's obviously been a long time since I've seen it. Well, Ryan gets his movie theater room set up movie theater room. Yeah, your living room. Oh okay. I was about to say, man, we got a studio room up in here, a movie theater room. That would be cool. Man, all right, you want to hit me with one? Yeah, sure, I would like to do
the myth of Osiris. I'm gonna look it up though, generally, because that's what we agreed that we were gonna do, is weight, right, right, that's what we have. No idea what this is, just like that text thread. Yeah, then Hercules. There's a bull. Oh yeah, what's up with the bulls? So yeah, Poseidon's jealous. It's like, why is everybody talking about Hercules? You should be talking about me. So I'm gonna make a bull and made a bull. The bulls terrorizing Blue
Bull, it's terrorizing the town. And everybody's like, you gotta get Hercules, you gotta get Hercules, which I guess was his plan. I don't. I didn't really make sense to me. Hercules shows up and uh, basically, oh, here's what I want to say about Hercules is like, think you think that the dude is just like brute force, right, Like I'm just gonna show up and throw this centaur in the sky right, which
he did. Ye, But yeah, he's really really smart. Like in all of the victories that he had against these great beasts were wit They were victories of the mind. Right, He outwitted these beasts, all of them. I mean he had to strength to back it up for sure, like a normal person couldn't do this. So basically, also arguably many of the other gods couldn't have done it, even though they were just as strong, and some of them stronger. Right, he had the mind for it,
right. And the whole time he's getting made fun of because they said he wasn't smart. He was smart. So the bull thing, he basically just had this bull chase him, and he ran everywhere and this bull's right behind him, and then the bull would catch up to him, and he got on the marble street and the bull couldn't run as fast on the marble because his hoofs and basically tired this bull out and then ran into the ocean.
The bull followed him into the ocean and then started to drown, and so he's like, wait, this bull's half dead drowning, and he just grabs the bull and drags him up to the sand and then they're just laying there, exhausted together. And then Poseidon's half son showed up, half mortal, half Poseidon. Apparently the dude's huge. I mean it's a book, you know, and so I didn't get to see him, but that's how books work. Yeah, and so then they start fighting. That gets Poseidon really
angry. For some reason, I thought this was his whole plan. He comes out of the ocean and it's like, yo, put my son down because Hercules is putting the whooping on this giant dude. And then they strike a deal, and Hercules got a sea horse for putting this all right, So what's the moral there, Alex, go ahead. He didn't want the seahorse. The moral is let a bull chase you and you will get a sea horse. It's just like you know your enemy are to war. How
big is the sea horse. It's like a full blown horse. He can ride it. Yeah, it made of gold. It's not a sea horse a gold well, it's like shiny gold. I'll be going to the pawn shop. Oh. He also pulled h He created the straight up Gibraltar. He like formed the yeah wow. Yeah, he didn't want to swim over there. He was sent over there on a mission by the guy, and he didn't want to swim, so he just straight up pulled this. This This moved you. Man moved him somewhere. It moved him somewhere. Some
dude. The guy was so he was he hide in a box. Hercules to come back, and he'd get into a brass box and hide like dang, dude, Wow, this is just so funny. I just can't imagine a solid gold seahorse with the rims. You're stuck on that rims. No, okay, wait, but you got to understand it is a horse. A horse, we get it, that came out of the ocean, not a seahorse like the seahorse animal. Oh, it's like a horse that as like gills and and scales and stuff. I mean, if that's how you
imagine it, you know, that's how it's explained. Yeah, it's a book anything convertible. Yeah. Yeah, you can put the top down on that ship, yeah yeah. And then yeah, so he got to ride around on that horse. That was pretty cool. But the gods, the lesser gods also helped him a lot. When he was going to fight the u the hydrid they like left like what Achilles gave some arrows. Ah, Hermes gave something the chariot right something, So he was like decked out and
like god stuff. He was wearing the skin of this lion like that would protect against like cuts and stuff. Is shocking because and all this time that you've talked about Hercules, there's one key element you haven't mentioned once. What's that his strength? I feel like that's implied, but you know, I was, dude, he threw a centaur to space. Yeah, but I was kind of hoping you would go into like why is he strong? Well, he's just the son is Zeus, Like you just straight up they all
strong like that prove why is he? Well, they're not all as strong as Hercules. And I think it's probably because, like Hercules actually tried. It's like Freezer like for his whole race, Like they're all strong, but Freezers the one because he tries well. Kyron was his sports tutor, like he had been training sports. I was kind of hoping there would be some like spec special magical reasons. I had a glitch there. I was hoping
there'd be some special, freaking precise reason why he had a strength. I kind of think that it's like I don't know. I think it's supposed to be like a motivational tale, like your everybody's made in the image of God. You can be like Hercules, like you, you can reach this potential. Now we're onto something. That's what I think, honestly. Yeah, And like you know, but being smart and winning battles with wit is just
as important, Like you cannot be just all muscle. Yeah, like you have to understand, you have to know your enemy, you have to know what you're doing, like you, he won everything with wit, you know. I mean, it could certainly help that he could throw a centaur space. I'm not going to avoid that, you know, as a positive, that would be nice. Yeah, I mean if if I just like somebody got on my nerves mad enough, if I could throw him to space,
dude. But really, really, he put his buddy out of his misery. He felt so bad that he had poisoned this immortal being like you, he can't die. He's just in pain the rest of his life, and he's like kill me. You know, probably would have passed in a day or two. But Hercules was just like nah, no, no, Kiren
is begging him to kill him. Yeah, he was like please, you're the son of Zeus, like do something, and he was like okay, said a little prayer, and then threw him into space and he was like, yeah, he's gonna become a constellation for his race to idolize and like have there every night forever. And then Kyron's brother ended up being the reason, the reason that he died kind of. But it was also a woman. It's like girls have just been ruining this dude's life since the beginning.
I mean, this is what it is. It's just it's the way it is, man Like. It's the curly hair. Bro, It's the Disney movie version of Hercules with the curly hair. They see that. It ain't even the muscles. Bro. Oh you're saying it makes it makes the lady's trip. Oh yeah, Man, he didn't have a he didn't have a beard in the Disney movie, did he. No, Yeah, he had a straight up big beard. Yeah, he had no beard in the Disney He was clean faced as hell with a tiny little chin, the tiniest chin,
that's true. Tiny kind of a tiny dude for a little bit there. Yeah, for a minute, he was a little Yeah. So moving on to the story of Osiris, Isis and Horus. This is one of my very favorite myths. From Geb the earth god and Nut the sky goddess, came four children, Osiris, Isis, Set, and Nephthis. Osiris was the oldest and so became the king of Egypt, and he married his
sister iris Isis sorry. Osiris was a good king and commanded the respect of all who lived on the earth and the gods who dwelt in the nether world. However, Set was always jealous of Osiris because he did not command the respect of those on earth and those in the nether world. One day, Set transformed himself into a vicious monster. I believe it was Apophus, the dragon of darkness, attacked Osiris and killed him, cut him up into fourteen
pieces, distributed his body all over the Nile River. When he died, Set became the king of Egypt. His sister his wife, and queen Nephthis felt sorry for her sister Isis, who mourned and wept over Osiris. Isis had this great magical power and decides to find the pieces of her husband and use her magic to bring him back to the dead. Together with nepthis Isis roam the countree. I'm sorry, the text is really small, and I'm
my glass. I'm collecting the pieces of her husband's body and reassembling them. Then she uses her magic breathes life into him and resurrects him from the dead. And then when Cyrus and Isis are together, Isis becomes pregnant and she gives birth to Horace. He becomes the Lord of the Underworld. And then Horace is born and he becomes the King of Egypt, which I guess you know, King of the world. The children born to Isis was named Horaus,
the hawk God. As he becomes an adult, he decides to make a case before the Court of Gods that he, not Set, is the rightful king of Egypt. A long period of arguments followed. Set challenges Horace to a contest where the winner would become the king. Set doesn't play fair. After several matches, he cheats Was the victor. Horace's mother, Isis decides to help her son set a trap for Set, so she snares him,
but Set begs for his life and Isis let him go. When he found out that she had let his enemy live, Horace became angry with his mom rages against her. He earns the contempt of all the other gods, and they decide that there would be one more match, and Set would get to choose what it will be. He decides that the final round of the contest will be a boat race. However, in order to make the contest a challenge, Set decides that he and Horace should race boats made of stone.
Horace, is tricky, builds a boat made of wood covered with limestone plaster, which looked like stone. As the gods a symbol for the race, Set cut the top off of a mountain wow to serve as his boat and set it in the water. His boat sinks right away, and all the other gods laughed at him. Angry, Set transforms himself into a hippopotamus and attacks Horace's boat. Horace fights off Set, but the other gods stopped him before he could kill Set. The other gods decide that the match was
a tie. Many of the other gods were sympathetic to Horace, but remembered his anger towards his mother for being lenient to Set, and were unwilling to support him completely. The gods who formed the court decided to write a letter to Osirius and ask for his advice. Osiris responds that his son is the
rightful king and will be placed upon the throne. No one said Osiris should take the throne of Egypt through an active murder, as set had done, had killed Osiris, but Horaus hadn't killed anyone and was the better candidate. The son and the stars, who were Osiris's allies, descended into the underworld, leaving the world in darkness. Finally, the gods agreed the Horus will claim his birthright as the king of Egypt. So there's a few things here.
Osiris was a solar deity. He's depicted as like mummified green skin, you know, in a tomb, sarcophagus, mummified all that stuff, and he's the lord of the underworld. But before that depiction, he was a solar entity. And then his son Horace in the uh well, when he comes around, he's like syncretized with Osiris. They're like one. They're like
a father and child dud kind of like God and Jesus. Was Horace depicted as like a bird okay, and was set like the alligator guy normally or no, I don't know if he was an alligator, but he turns into a pophas, the dragon of darkness. Right, so, right off the rip here we have this allegory of the eternal war of dominion between the light and the dark. You know, the sun rises each day and then it has its period, and then it sets, and then the darkness rises.
The sun goes into the underworld. It sets, yes, the sun rises, and then it descends into the underworld, and the darkness rises Apophus the serpent that brings the darkness, but then it descends because Horace rises, you know, into the throne. It's this eternal battle. Another cool thing is that the word Satan actually supposedly comes from Set because the Persians said Chitan,
which scholars believe could be linked to the Egyptian version of Set. That they referenced that deity as Chaitan, which is etymologically where the word Satan may have come from over time. But very cool. But what what do y'all? What's y'all's takeaway? I like the whole thing about how like Horace is the true leader of Egypt because he didn't like murder and he didn't like stoop to the lowest lows to try to to he wasn't. He wasn't after claiming the
throne for like ultimate power or whatever. He was just trying to honor his father kind of thing, and like defeat the darkness. And and yeah, sure he might have made a janky boat with with limestone lining or whatever. He ain't right, right, right, But I don't think that's the moral. But he didn't. He he didn't stoop to the lows that Set was willing to stoop to. He didn't like give in to the ultimate darkness.
He didn't cut him into fourteen pieces, right, and Set did. And and so ultimately I feel like the moral is like to do it the right way, like to achieve if glory is your goal, do it the right way, like, because what is glory if you gained it through darkness? Right? You know? Yeah, I agree with that. And then another cool element of the story, which obviously wasn't said in that little like pop version of the myth. And we have talked about this before, probably like
over one hundred episodes ago. But the cool part is like the Obelisk of Egypt actually comes from this story because the idea is that the fourteenth piece of Osiris as is wiener I was going to say it more gently, but his member. I think Wiener's plenty gentle. Yes, Wiener, it's pretty gentle. I was going to say, Phallis, that's less gentle. Do you remember that I watched that episode to day. I can't believe you. It's the of the Office. It's the one you're talking about the Office, dude,
No, no, Phyllis and Fallis. No we said that on the podcast. Oh oh yeah, yeah, I was talking about the Office. Do you remember the episode where Phyllis gets flashed. Yeah? Yeah, Well Dwight is like talking to everybody and he's referencing Phyllis and he accidentally says foul the guys like parking lot, yes, and he goes, sorry, I've got penis on the brain. That's literally how I was sitting here thinking that you were going back and watching throw it back. No, no, no,
but I do remember that. That's why I was like, wow, you saw that today. It's probably like over one hundred episodes. No, no, no, but I remember that now. Wow. Yeah, but that's super cool. And that's where the obelisk comes from. And she uses her magical power and she restores it into gold and it esoterically represents like the generative power of the masculine forces of the universe, but also the feminine using
the magic to heal it and restore it. Yeah, you know, talk about lead to gold, baby, Yeah, baby, talking about dead to gold something. But you know that's what I make that deal. I bet you would. Yeah, go never mind never you just watch him censor himself in real time. I'm just concerned, why is everybody's mom getting in the mix and kind of mucking it up here, like across across all these myths. What's the deal with that? Sometimes mom suck? I guess that's the
moral. I wouldn't go that far. I'm just like, there's gotta be something here. Yeah. Also, why they all be like marian man, Yeah, yeah, I think I just think you're dating pool is limited. Yeah that's yeah. I mean you're dealing with like a whole world and you got twelve people on it, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's a small town. Yeah, it's a small West Virginia the planet road time. When you think about it, man, like the significance of this myth
or just like Egypt in general, like obelisks are everywhere. Dude, did y'all know that in every major city of the world there obelisk model. I saw the one in Rome. Every major city, Like when I say major city, I mean like Paris is to lift the lay lines thing. Yes, yeah, yes, really, yes, no way, yes, it's a lay lines thing. Yes. So they they built them right because there it's an obelisk at the top. So it goes from like square to point,
so you have basically two lines. Sorry sorry, go ahead, sorry sorry, goes from square to point and well it's supposed to do so anyway, I'm sorry. So it's like a disper No. So they build the struggling with the words here. They build them so that they line up with these lay lines that apparently run across the earth, and they're pulled, they're put up so that they like put they transmit energy. They pull the lay lines above the ground where people are, so they basically like create a like
an overpass of lay line energy so that you live underneath it. Because weird things happen in the lay lines. Whow. Doctor Robert Gilbert told my dad one time that's how I knew about the obelisks in the US, the major cities. Yeah, and he said that there's something about the geometry and the
shape of obelisks that they transmit energy. So obviously someone in the know, I mean, we know that there's like this elite group of people in power throughout the world who have this ancient occult knowledge and they understand the significance of it. And dude, like we know, Freemasons are aware of like how energy transmits through certain geometric shapes. Yeah, you know, like it's a
big part of freemasonry. Yeah, and like how they design cathedrals and temples and stuff like that for energy to accumulate in certain parts of the building and eastward facing uh what do you call it? Altars and all this knowledge that we are not aware of, you know. And the idea is that they are creating a power grid around the world with these obelisks. Whoa, that's so wide. A lot of graveyards have obelisks too. Yeah, even a
lot of tombstones are obelisks. And I thought it was weird when we got that thing for the house, the mesh and they transmit the signal. Yeah, you know, it's probably benign, you know, I mean, I don't know, it's pretty interesting. It is interesting. It is pretty interesting. That. It's a cool myth. There's a there's a lot beneath the surface with it, you know, But that's a cool one. Yeah, I like it. All right, I'll do another one if you if you
insist, we got time for one more. Let's run it, all right? Cool, let's do y'all want Theseus and the Minotaur or the myth of Sisyphus Sisyphis, Sisyphis it is? Are you familiar? No? No, Sisyphis is a really cool one. It's pretty, it's pretty wide. Was Sisyphis like a titan? No? No, I don't know. I don't think so watch I'm gonna read this sounds familiar though reading earlier, we should have done Prometheus and the Fire. Yeah, yeah, it's actually I know
that was in my book, right. The only reason I didn't do Prometheus is because we've talked about it a couple of times. On the Lighthouse Lighthouse episode, Hercules came across Prometheus. What was that encounter? Like? Uh, he basically just walked on him one day, chain up with the hawks eating his liver. He oh yeah, yeah, Hercules rolled up. So Hercules rolled up and is like, what's up, dude? And He's like oh, you know, just here for eternity watching these hawks eat my liver.
And he was like, okay, well he like jumped up and grabbed all the hawks, put him in a bag and beat them to death. Hercules did. And then Hercules just snapped the chains that he was chained to the rock with and was like, all right, see you later. Yeah,
that's one thing before we get into this one. That's one thing I love about the Greek myth is it's it's kind of like it's kind of like Marvel, right, Like there's this overarching primordial lore, but then there's like this cinematic universe where like Hercules walking through oh shit, it's uh yeah, I remember your story, you know, and they're like in each other's stories.
It's kind of a crossover episodes. Well, well, the whole myth of Theseus and the Minotaur takes place in the labyrinth, and the story of Icarus starts in the labyrinth. They are building the labyrinth. They're building and they use and then whoever it was Theseus, I think, who who hired them to make the labyrinth he locks them in it and they're like, how do we get out of here? And then they make the wings with the wax, and we know the rest it gris flies too close to the sun.
Yeah, okay, Sisyphis, all right, Once upon a time Corinth was a very strong Greek city state Corinthians. It makes sense, the remains of which can be found to this day. Dude, I'm mind blown. Yeah, that's where Corinthians comes from. The city of Corinth it is. I think there's like a there's a bunch of there's all kinds of Greek stuff in the Bible, oh for sure. Some sources refer to the Great City of Ephirah as the city founded by Sisyphis, which was later named Corinth.
Others say that the witch Media or Medea we love those movies gave Corinth to Sisyphus, who became it's king. One day, Osophos's daughter Aegina who had been adducted or had been adducted by Zeus, and when a Sophos asked if Sisyphus had seen anything, Sisyphus mentioned that he saw Zeus fly over with Aegina. Ooh, the dramas for real. When Zeus heard that, he got angry that he was betrayed by a mortal. So the king of the gods
sent Death to take Sisyphus's life. However, when Death came to chain Sisyphus, the latter asked Death a demonstration of how the chains work, and then deceived Death and chained Death instead. The imprisonment of Death meant that he could not come for any human, and people stopped dying altogether. The gods, in response, sent Aris, the god of war, to free Death. This time, Death took Sisyphis in his chains and led him to the world
of the dead, the un world kingdom of Hades. However, before he died, Sisyphus asked his wife Muropi not to bury him properly by neglecting to put a coin in his mouth. This way, he could not pay car on the faery man to cross the River Styx, because you know, that's why they put the coin. They would either put it on the eyes or in the mouth to pay the ferryman so that they could get to the to cross the river sticks. Rather, the lack of a proper burial disturbed Hades
so much that he sent Sissyphis back to the living. Thus Sisyphus managed to escape death once more. When the gods finally managed to catch Sisyphis again. They decided that his punishment should last forever. They made him immortal. They made him push a rock up a mountain. Every time the rock would reach the top, it would roll down again and Sisyphus would have to start all over for the rest of eternity. So what exactly is it that he's being
punished for for death? Well, a few things. Yeah, he cheated death. He also like imprisoned death. And then he also lied to Zeus, you know he and you don't do that. You won't do that, you won't do that. Zeus is a wrathful god. He is a spiteful, wrathful if you cross him in any way, Unles, Yeah, oh yeah, he's very forgiving to most of his children. Yeah, Zeus is like Tony Soprano and his dad. Man. That's that's the vibes I get
from him. So so basically, the every time you see Sissyphus depicted, it's like this super buff like Greek figure pushing this massive boulder up a mountain. But that's not to be confused with Atlas. No, no, who had the weight of the world on his shoulders. No, No, Sisyphus rolled this massive boulder and and like he didn't have like absurd strength like Hercules, Like he was a normal dude. So for the most part, Yeah, yeah, Hercules took Atlas's place for a couple of days. Of course,
he did Hercules, then so did Superman. Yeah it's true. Yeah, it's true. He took it for a day and then Atlas didn't want to give it back and he had to essentially trick Atlas into taking the world back or the heavens back on his shoulders. Yeah. See, and the Superman version is different. He came and he took it back. Mm hmm. Right, and that's the real Yeah, that's the real lore. We all know that the Superman is the real one. Yeah, I'll have to
read that book next. But yeah, every time you see Sissfis, he's depicted with pushing this massive boulder up a hill and every time it gets to the top, it rolls back down. They really have creative ways of like coming up with eternal punishment. Yeah, they do. My I don't know, I mean, my my initial hot take on that is like all mortals die and it's an eternal cycle. I mean it's like, maybe I'm reading too much into this here, but like the boulder. You toil your whole
life. You push the boulder up the hill and then it rolls back down and you know, it's just this unending cycle that goes over and over and over. I could be way off, but no, that that makes sense to me. This is gonna be pretty left field. But think about like vampires who like and then like people. You know, they have their like
familiars who are desperate to become vampires because they want to live forever. But then all vampires talk about how miserable it is right living forever because you see everyone you love die and everything turns gray and everything that loses meaning and like all this stuff. So it's like he cheated death, but his punishment was to live forever. And oh you like to cheat death? Yeah, here you go, right right, Yeah, you you want to live so bad?
Let's show you what you get, Like, let's let's show you what that looks like. Like it's a it's a metaphor, I feel like for yeah, for like you know you don't you shouldn't want to live forever, like you shouldn't want to No, it loses all meaning, it becomes it becomes a toil, right, you're essentially pushing, Like every time you push that boulder up the mountain, that's one life. Yeah. Yeah, it's
like you're doing meaningless work for nothing. Well no, I just mean in a sense that like your whole life is just everybody's life is just pushing the envelope, pushing the boulder up the hill, like trudging on, continuing, continuing. Then you get to the top, right, you will get to the top of the mountain, and that's where you get Yeah, right, cool, done with that boulder, right, No, his punishment is it's like the boulder is like the burden of life. Yes, yeah, the
hardships that what I think. Yeah, like the hardships that we carry with us, like the hard things about life. Toil your whole life and then you die. Yeah wow, but that's true. Yeah, it's very nihilistic. No, it's not that I'm nihilist. I don't think it's for nothing though, because really, like we're mining gold, dude, Like we come
here. The rule of life. It even says it in the Bible, like after Adam and Eve fell from the garden, mankind was cursed to toil the soil to work, right, But I think that's a deeper metaphor, like we come into this material world. We are fallible. We have hunger, we have we need shelter, we need certain X y Z conditions to just survive alive, yeah, to be alive, to not die. And then we have to work, work, work, work, work to like
literally stay alive. And then on top of that, it's like, wait, are we supposed to be like having some sort of profound spiritual revelation here? Yeah, you know what I mean, it's not for nothing. We're toiling, but like we're mining gold, dude. The gold is the you know, the spiritual knowledge that we're supposed to achieve here, right, And then going back to that in His image thing. You know what did God do? God created? Yeah, seven days you were created, He worked,
and now we're created in his image. And like we are hardwired to work, we're hardwired to build. Like if you're not working or building or creating something, it's you're you're something's off. Now, look, it's the natural state right here at BSS. We are not saying that you should be doomed to go work at nine to five right your whole life. No, that's not the point of this, that's not I don't think that's what God intended. I think that the human mind thrives when we have goals to work
towards. Yeah, work could be working on yourself, right, working to become a better person, not sitting around every day like doing nothing, not trying to achieve anything in life. But you know, just just I mean, it's it's like proven you know, psychology studies and everything, like when you have something to achieve, whether it's oh, I'm a painter, but I haven't painted in a while, get up and paint, you know good, Or I want to practice an instrument, get up and do it.
Or if you are going after that promotion at you're nine to five too, Right, anything's better than nothing. We have to work towards something, We have to do something, We have to achieve something to evil make work, makes work of vital hands, that's right. You know, two thousand years ago you had artisans whose whole life was toiling, you know, with a freaking loom making clothes or dude, and they were sorry to cut you off. You know what I'm fired up about. I think apprenticeships need to come
back. Yes they do. Yeah, that's that's where the problem is here. I mean, we need we need bakers, we need blacksmiths. We
still we need like actual like we need people. So in Italy they have in Venice is the center of the world for like glass blowing and like like artists and glass making, and like their chandeliers are thirty to ninety thousand dollars because they're just so meticulous and they're having such an the only way you get into that is an apprenticeship, like you have to go at like thirteen years old and you begin the process of this like historic family business of glass making,
and no one there is interested in doing that at all, and so the industry is just absolutely dying because they're having such a hard time getting young people who are so infatuated with the West, getting them to embrace their traditional values and go after these apprenticeships. But I think in all aspects of everything, like all of these like ancient and absolutely nesess necessary necessary like trades, like I mean it really, in my opinion, something has got to like
happen here as far as that goes. Dude, I agree, man. When you were talking about the Hercules story in the beginning of the episode, I was thinking in my head, like that's the freaking One of the problems with America is like who has a mentor anymore? Yeah? Who? It can change your life? Who's a disciple of some ancient art anymore? It's extremely rare, yeah, dude. And like the America's version of that is
just unpaid interns. Yeah yeah, or like fast coffee, a manager that you know you want to get on their good side and you know, be promoted through the system. Dude. In Germany, the way there's thing works is like you either go to university or you take the fast track to a trade. And you get out of high school and oh, I'm either going to university for some degree or I'm going to a trade and you start working
towards that trade when you're like sixteen, dude. I feel like even when we were kids, it was a thing in America, Like I heard people talk about that all the time. Like I heard when I was like sixteen seventeen, it was like I heard it all the time, like you either got to go to school or you got to get into some kind of trade. You got and you don't hear that at all anymore, right at all? You got to get into some and I think I think it still exists,
but like nowhere near on the scale that it used to. It's like you have to you have to go find it. Yeah, I wish, Mike. I mean, I'm not going to throw anybody under the bus here, but I wish my counselor had done my high school counselor would have done a little bit better job and kind of exploring my options outside of college because
I was dead set I'm not going to college. And I was like from junior year of high school telling her I do not plan on doing this, and she kind of was just like, okay, well let's just get you through high school, like no future planning, nothing. I was like that two hours. I guess I don't ever remember having like a meaningful conversation with a high school guidance counselor. Dude, I don't think I even ever spoke to a guidance counselor in school. Yeah, no, it was it was
just like what college you want to go to? You know here, apply for this one, right, oh you need this. You can get class
grants or they graduate. Yeah. I mean I don't remember it ever being but going back to the mentor thing, like, I mean, you know, if I I would like immediately, and this is for the listener, think of like who in your circle, and think of your circle, your parents' circle, whatever is the most wealthy, the most influential, or like means the most to you, and then just straight up go ask that person will you mentor me in a sense that like can we just grab coffee once
a week and like can I just pick your brain? Like you will be amazed. I mean, you just start surrounding yourself with people like this and just learn from them, and if it becomes too much for both of you, then then move on find somebody else, or if there's someone in your work that you like really aspire or look up to, just straight up out I mean you'll be amazed. I mean you know, like I've done it.
It's so awkward. It's like, you know, will you be my mentor in a sense that like can I pick your brain from time to time? And like I've never had anybody be like are you kidding me? No? Yeah, you know that's how That's how my brother started his business which
is now like very sick, tessful. He supports his whole family and like they live a very comfortable life and he literally started it because he just had a couple of people that he looked up to that did it, and he humbled himself and asked them to go to dinner and like was like I want to do what you do, Like can I can I work with you some and like learn how to do this, And like he's a few years later he has a very successful business. It works. That's awesome. It does
work, Absolutely does work. I always had certain mentors and sales that I would cling to that would, you know, teach me the inside tricks of the trade and things like that. But I know that was like way out of left field. But I totally agree, man Like, I think that is one of the problems today. Man Like, nobody wants to really guide anybody anymore, and in the system just ain't set up for that anyway. It's not the system is a dreary place. We're set up to fail.
I mean, we're set up to toil for toil and the soil, but it ain't told a soil is to a rent, yeah, and you know, to rent. But it is what it is, man, because we're we're we're visualizing positive outcomes, that's right, right, you know, we're practicing faith. Yes, active faith, active faith, and and uh, we're we're we're taking that leap into the abyss and landing on the feather bed exactly. That's what. And I'm gonna get me a lion pelt to start
wearing. You know, in the in the Hercules cartoon, the lion pelt is scar from the Lion King. It's literally Scar's skin from the lion King. Talk about like a I feel like I feel like, honestly, like of all the different renditions of Hercules, he's definitely given me the rock. I forgot that that was one of them. Oh my god, the rock Hercules? Man oh man, Yeah, how do you feel about that? If I if I had a mental image or I had watched that, I
would probably feel some type of Right, it's like a book. You can't I can't see it. Just think of like the rock and a toga. Dude. Ye, that's pretty much it. I really don't know whether to be flattered or not. I mean, it's it's something. Yeah, it's take it. It was it was stated. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah, we're like an hour and a half. All right, that's it. Wow, this was a fun one. I hope you guys enjoyed it. We are just pushing through, man like, just pushing through and
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