149: Omens

Weird things happened in Weird Weird weird. Welcome, No what I'm looking for my camera? Like doctor Stephen Rule, We're in a new situation here, but uh, welcome to episode one, and we're going to actually talk about the topic that we said we would two episodes ago on the last day of class episodes. All right, y'all, it's been crazy. It has been crazy. So we just wrapped up week eight of remodeling the house, and on top of that, we've like been flying by the seat of our freaking

pants, you know, to keep the show going. And this chaos is coming to a close. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a little tough, but hey man, we're rolling with the punches. We're doing it. And now we're going to bring you a heater of an episode about omens. Yeah, what was the why did we choose to do an episode about omens? Well, it was a few weeks ago we were talking about this topic or no, no, talking about like what you know, topic do we want

to do? And me and Jenny were writing home from Fayetteuil to Wilmington, and I think I mentioned this on a previous episode, but then we didn't go in depth, or maybe I haven't brought it up at all, but there's this Casey Musgrave song that came out recently. Jenny's a big fan, and I think it's called Cardinal. Yeah. Well, didn't Jenny talk about that on her episode? Maybe we did? Yeah she did, Maybe we did, Alex, I can see you now, Yeah, what's I just

realized I can see him? Oh my god? Okay, sorry, she talked about that on her episode, right right, correct? And then like the whole cardinal. Let me it's really cool, man, Let me pull up the lyrics because it's then I'm gonna get what happened to the you know with the cardinal. Yeah, it was that whole thing. And then I learned, uh, maybe, gosh, this must have it's probably almost a year now. I learned about the whole cardinal like symbolism meaning because sadly,

my brother's dog passed away. It was so sad, and like the next day, uh, they saw a cardinal right outside the window in the morning, in the spot that their dog used to lay down every day. And that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. My brother text me and was like, Yo, what is like the is there any kind of significance or something to seeing a cardinal, which is crazy that my brother would ask me that, you know, like it's not his wheelhouse, it's not what he's been interested

in like ever. But I guess, like, you know, we we had some we had some pretty deep conversations, me and Robbie, like deeper than we've ever had, and I think it just peaked his curiosity, so right, But yeah, yeah, it's supposed to symbolize like like past loved ones, like bringing you a message or something to that effect. Right,

That's what I've gathered. Yeah, And I do want to make it clear, like I've I've always been very interested in signs and omens as a concept, like I take them very seriously and at very stressful points in my life.

I've always observed animal omens. I remember being like nineteen or twenty and I'm driving home and I was going through something serious at the time, and a deer like ran out in front of a car on a highway eighty seven or a like past like it was just like right on the road or something, and I thought it was really weird because I've never seen deer eight out

there an eighty seven out in Grays Creek. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about like it's not common seeing deer out there, not on eight down towards Wilmington. You know that's right common, right. I just thought it was like the sticks of Gray's Creek. You see him everywhere, Like yeah, but on eighty seven. I've seen one in my life on eighty seven.

I just I thought it was weird, and I went home and I told Dad, and he was like, you always pay attention to animals, and you know, he just every little thing like that grown up he's you know, always pay attention to animals. God talks us through animals. So I've always been like interested in it, But then lately Jenny's been really interested in it because of his song. So I wanted to read the lyrics real quick. It's called Cardinal. I saw the sign or an omen on the

branches in the morning. It was right after I lost a friend without warning words unsaid scarlet red Cardinal. Are you bringing me a message from the other side? Are you telling me on somebody's I'm on somebody's mind, don't leave me behind. I took a walk in the city to clear my head for a moment, turn my collar to the wind on the street. It was blowing and there he was above my head. Cardinal, are you bringing me a message from the other side? I'm a skip a few repeat lyrics.

Are you just watching and waiting for spring? Do you have some kind of magic to bring pretty bird? Skip? Repeat lyrics, and then it basically repeats for the rest of the song. But yeah, that's literally like the Native American kind like lore of it is that it's like a loved one who has passed and is like bringing you a message from the beyond. So that got my wife talking to me about cardinals and omens and signs. It's just

something that privately we you know. And also there was a time a few months ago before that song came out that I was going through something pretty serious and a bird just like flew headfirst into our window. And I've always heard that that's like a serious omen or whatever. And anyway, so that day, that Sunday that we were driving home from Fayetteville a few weeks ago, and we were like, what do we talk about? What kind of episode

do we do? A cardinal freaking nose died into our car windshield and splat and died. Jenny's freaking out, She's crying and we're like I was literally like, dude, it's an omen, like this is an omen for something. And then you know, we're driving down the road and like I think at different points, like three different cardinals like swooped right in front of our car, and we were just like, okay, let's talk about omens.

You know, yeah, so what is that supposed to mean? Do you have any like inkling of what that, like a bird slamming into your car is supposed to mean. I don't. I've always heard it's like when a bird crashes into a window that it's actually a good sign, that it's something about like not for the bird, right, Yeah, of course, yeah, rip man, rip, rip, my brothers and sisters, rip to a real one and rip the head off as it crashes. That what I

mean, and just split right into the window. Rest in peace, Jesus Christ. There's something morbid about like a bird slamming as hard as it can into your window and dying, perishing, Oh dude. And then you're like that's good luck. You're like, oh, something great's gonna happen this week. Do that thing's probably flying like eighty miles an hour or something like that. Hold up eighty miles an hour. I mean, I don't know how fast they died. If a bald eagle dove and hit your window, baby,

what do I know? Man? Apparently Okay, a bunch of dumb nothing. Side note. Have you ever seen a real falcon punch? Have you? Like from Smash Well? I mean, I mean, dude, falcons do this when they dive, They go like stupid insanely fast and like bigger falcons will hunt smaller birds and they will zip down through the sky and like hit, just hitting them at that speed, the little bird will like disintegrate. Then what are they gonna eat? Just they probably grab the scraps

in mid air. Yeah, it's like a real falcon punch. It makes like a like a loud noise too. That's insane. Yeah, I'm gonna have to put you on game. I'll show you some videos. Yeah, I like the one when the pictures throwing the ball and it hits the bird. Oh no, I mean it's terrible. That Oh my god. It's good luck though, right yeah, right, I don't know, but I I I I I read that a bird, you know, flying into the window just in general, is like good luck, prosperity, a Bond.

It's I think like a lot of people are like, you know, animal omens are bad. It's like you see it in movies all the time, like it's foreboding. Like I think of Harry Potter because I grew up consuming so much Harry Potter. And in the third book it's like he sees the black dog. It's an omen of death. And then they're like reading the tea leaves and it's like death. Yeah, like all these omens are death. It's darkness. Yeah, but I don't I don't think about it like

that. No, Traditionally, like historically, it's not. They're not all for bad things. It's like it's low key, like an early early version of like scrying. Yeah, it's it's kind of like like we we'll we'll talk about it in a little bit like the history stuff. But early on it was it was just like a way to try and read the future, like see the future and then and so like the early the people who started doing it like thousands of years ago, which were I believe that, Yeah,

the Mesopotamians. It looks like those that's like the earliest recorded examples. That's like the earliest recorded people, right, right, Yeah, they were doing it like there's like an active way to do it, which is like you know, like incense, like reading the smoke, or like reading bones, Yes, when they throw bones and the patterns. Yeah, oil and water love that kind of stuff. Yeah, I love that kind of it's sick and oil and water. Those are like active ways that they used to

read omens. And then there's the passive stuff, which is just the stuff that happens and then they interpret it like what I was talking about, something crashing in the window, Yes, something like just the stuff that just happens on its own. Right. Yeah, we got some news for you guys, an announcement of sorts for the listener for y'all. The Lighthouse is on HBO oh Sweets streaming for free right now, let's get I plan on watching it. But it got me thinking, oh, yeah, you guys got

me thinking about them seagulls. Yeah, wait, you haven't You still haven't seen it. I haven't seen it, but I know a lot about seagulls. Well, can I tell you a spoiler? I mean you kind of did that a whole episode about it. We did a whole episode about it about seagulls are about the movie about the lighthouse and about seagulls. Okay, well, I'll share my seagull fact after go ahead. Well that it's actually kind of a big plot point of the movie. Is that like that he

says it many times, it's bad luck to kill a seabird. He says it many many times. It's the souls of dead sailors. Is that what you were going to say? Well, it's also bad luck if they get inside your boat. Oh really found that out from a sailor. Actually, if a bird gets inside your boat, that's bad luck. Birds and bananas.

That was the other one. I was just about to say, there's a bunch of like boat omens and you showed nis, Yeah, you showed me some video recently or something where somebody had a banana on a boat. Maybe maybe sounds like me. There's all kinds of boat related on that, right, the banana. I don't really know the bananas for sure, but I think it goes back to like bananas spoil quickly and then they spoil whatever is around them. So I think that kind of all has to do with

it, and that they wouldn't make the seafair. So yeah, yeah, I have a cool little description of omens. If you want to hear it, m h, I do, Are you sure? Yeah? Okay, thank you for entertaining me. I'm absolutely sure. Okay. As with all aspects of symbolist thought, the concept of the omen has expressed itself at widely varying levels of sophistication. At their subtlest, omens exist in a world where

the boundaries between past, present, and future are permeable. Influences of past conditions or events still echo within the present, while from the other direction, what is to come sends ripples into the now, like the bow waves preceding an advancing boat back to boats. I am loving this the boat episode. Hence, the phenomenal play of each moment represents the complex blending of symbolic influences from all three dimensions of time, with those from the future designated as omens.

Coming events cast their shadow before them. Wow, you know what I'm saying. And that's a deep quote. Man. That's got me pondering. It's got me philosophizing, but taking a better times me you Alex on a boat in the future, man, just sitting on the island with alcohol free, my ties and bananas, banana free all right, you know, yeah, banana free man and just thinking about life and death man. All right,

I've got a wild abstract thought for you guys. Okay, because all this boat talk boat travel and more specifically plane travel is interesting because I'm thinking about this analogy, right, you were, like when you're flying long distance, especially, you're not where you took off, You're not where you landed. So you're not in the past and you're not in the future, and

you're not really in the present. You're kind of in this void because you're constantly moving towards what you're it's so very I don't know, maybe I'm looking way too deep into it. No, that is a cool abstract thought though. It's like you're kind of forced your your physical surroundings are forcing you to be literally in the present moment, like while you're in that transit, that interim of travel or whatever. There is something kind of cosmic about that a

little bit. It's like you're kind of lost in the void. Yes, you're not where you were and you're not where you're going. It reminds me of like the ferry man, Like what was the was the name of the ferryman from Greek mythology, Kan Sharon, I don't know how to say cha r o, yes, yeah, how he like shepherds the souls, like he rides the sick boat through the underworld and shit, and like shepherd's the soul boat. I know, it's all I'm peggybacking off you. You want

to hear a cool boat story. Yes, My grandfather, Papa Tad when he so he suddenly died of a heart attack in December, on December third of twenty thirteen, and a year and a half before that he almost died from he had extreme like septic poisoning. You know, wow what that is, right? Yes, yeah, and he basically died from that, but

they were able to you know, recover him and whatnot. But it was so severe that year and a half period before he eventually died that he was going through all this just crazy surgery and like these near death states of consciousness and all this anesthesia and things like that. And something he told my dad was that he basically died and went to the other side and he saw him

and like other souls like on a boat. No, and that is like how the Egyptians described the afterlife, right, yeah, like in did you watch God. What was that show? What's that show? Moon Night? Yeah, they showed that in the show they have that huge like arc. The show was cool. It was great. I liked it though, like a lot of the New or Marvel stuff is kind of stinky poopy. Yeah,

that one was pretty cool. Moon Night was was sweet. Yeah, they showed they showed that whole thing and then like there were a bunch of Egyptian gods in that show. That show was cool. That show was really cool. Yeah, yeah, I got some more. A systematic method for identifying omens employed by traditional cultures to foretell the future was to carefully observe the symbols occurring around the beginning of any major development, whether a personal relationship,

a public works project, or even an idea. This belief might be referred to as the law of conception. So, like, the idea, is that the real important stuff as it's being conceived, Yes, some sort of omen will occur, dude, I fully believe that. Yeah. Understood esoterically, the context surrounding a phenomenon's birth holds the seeds of its unfoldment and eventual outcome, provided one knows how to interpret their symbolic language. So it's like

the energy is all hyper FOI. It's like I like that description. The seeds or the context surrounding a phenomenon's birth holds the seeds of its unfoldment and eventual outcome. I love this. I love that we're doing this episode because I feel like in media, in pop culture and whatnot, omens are typically portrayed as like scary and evil. Yes, I mean there's literally there's a horrimitally literally a movie called The omen that is about the freaking it's He's the

Antichrist. Oh shit, Oh that's the one where the kid's born with the six six six on his forehead. I don't remember if he has. I saw it when I was like, it's like a birthmark. I thought, yeah, sixty six or something. I think you're it's an older movie. Well, there's a remake that came out when we were I saw the remake. But I'm just saying, like, anything you see about omens is so

dark and scary, But I feel like it's not. I feel like it's just the way the spirit world communicates, you know, Yes, it's just messages the thing. I see it that way I see any sort of communication from nature from animals, from the spirit world, numbers whatever, I see it all like under the wide stroke of omens. But so the thing that got me, I know, we're bouncing around here, and that quote was really really sick. But I wanted to drop something on you drop it.

So my dad was all, you know, he didn't use the word omen. I kind of came to that on my own, but he was always telling me about animals growing up, and we've had some really weird experiences with animals, like, oh yeah, downright, just weird stuff. There's lots of them. Yeah. And in twenty fifteen, I was put on to this really fascinating ancient African tribe that even five thousand years ago had advanced knowledge and they were the Dogon tribe. And the thing about the Dogon is that

they were like this shamanic elders. They had like a shamanic elder system where the elder of the village supposedly was communicating with these light beings who he claimed that they came from the Star series and they would give all these messages. Didn't what am I misremembering or didn't they describe some sort of like ship or vessel or something. I'm not sure about that. They described a bunch of a bunch of stuff that holds true in today's scientific terms, like particles and

waves and things like that. Like they had a different idea of like the four elements like fire, air, water, earth. I can't remember it off the top of my head, but each of those four elements symbols had like different meanings about reality, like particles, waves, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And something that they said that really resonated with me was that the spirits. Right, if we think about the phenomenon, you

know, the beings or whatever, it's all one. I mean, these these beings that we're all seeing, these you know, the lights in the sky, the orbs whatever, they're not spaceships there, They're beings. They're they're like spirits. Yeah, they're literally like the spirits. And if we think about it in how they describe it, I mean, it just totally

makes sense. And they said that this the beings, the spirits, they communicate through animal signs, through nature, that they can manipulate time at a very fractional not that they like manipulate time, but rather that they vibrate at such a rate faster than us because they exist in a twin dimension and that they can they can't just pop out all the time and be like boom boo,

you know. But like you know, they give us signs and omens from the other side, like kind of you know, jiggle a particle here that makes a wave of effects happen. That like to us is like this profound you know, synchronicity or omen or whatever, and that includes animals. So when I read that, I was like, dang that, I think I believe in omens now. You know. Well, it's it's like that other quote about the ripple, the like the what was it a moving ship?

An advancing boat? What is to come? Since ripples into the now like the bow way proceeding in advancing boat. It's like, so as we understand it, like the spirit these spirits, these spiritual beings, they exist outside of our dimensions, including time. You know, they don't experience time the same way that we do. They're outside of that entirely. And so

yeah, they could interact. It's like they could interact with past president and future simultaneously in whatever way that they wish to to relay those messages to us and to the other thing and as far as like the them communicating through animals thing like, it's all consciousness, right, right, what are they going to do start like influencing like humans? Like, no, that's that breaks the whole free will thing, right, Yeah, that's like possession exactly.

It's it's like borderline kind of scary. But like you know, animals, while they have consciousness like us, it's like a different level of it. And so that would be to me the natural explanation of why they would use nature. They are nature. Spirit is natural. It's the fifth element, right, you know, like spirit in many cultures at least I think the best quota system of a down. Yes, spirit moves through all things. Yeah, Spirit moves through all things. Yeah deep when you think about it,

man, No, it really is. Yeah, I think it's all. It's all messages from from another place, another time, you know, and where they they kind of they kind of find their way into the now and into our surroundings, give us messages from the beyond. Yeah, So recently Dad and I were out skywatching. I say recently it was it was it could have been like close to a year ago at this point. Actually, I remember what it was. It was right before the History Channel episode

came out, or maybe right after. It was sometime this past August, and we were sitting outside at night skywatching and for the first time in my entire life, it was like this blood curdling moment. We're sitting out there and then we hear this coyote, probably thirty to fifty feet away from us, just give off this blood curdling howl while we're seeing orbs, you know, and there was something, there was some sort of communication going on at

the moment that was significant. I can't remember what it was at the time, but it was something that we were you know, hoping for, you know, praying about something of that nature. And the whole coyote thing was so strange. Dude, my dad is sixty two years old, and he's like his hair was standing up on his arms. He was like, dude, I've lived in North Carolina my whole life. I've never heard of coyote

like that near my house, you know. And there's just been so many strange moments like throughout my life where you know, I'm driving down the road and just a few months ago, me and Jenny were driving home from the Rightsful Beach area and a literal, full size coyote walks out and stops in front of our car on a military cutoff Alex like busy traffic road in the middle of the franking city. Just like coyote just walks out and stops and looks at us as we're driving, like in the middle of the road,

and then trots off. We're like, what the there are a bunch of coyotes around here? Oh yeah, really? Oh you want to talk yoats yeah? Oh yeah, we already yeah. No. The problem is they keep cutting down more trees for new apartments because apparently we got plenty of room for new apartments. And on your shoulder about that. Oh I'm pissed. Actually, I don't want to get into it, but it might affect my running from mayor in the future. But I vote for you. Yeah no,

I mean I hope, I hope I got two votes. At least you think about it. It's based on your behavior, okay, yeah, well, as I'll vote for you, thanks out of principle, because then we'll be crooked together. You give me a underhanded deal, like you know, I'll give you extra spot in your lawn on the neighbors problem. I want it depends on behavior. Shit. So no, we're basically driving these coyotes out of their habitats. But the problem is also that they're not invasive,

but they're considered pest. Well, I mean, they're one of those animals that like kills everything. Right, I'm pretty sure. I haven't really looked into it. I just know the laws of when you can shoot them. When were we just talking about that? Was it on an episode or no? You don't remember now, I remember the conversation. I don't remember what we were doing. What we were doing. What we were doing was Alex just brought it up because he wanted to talk about it. It wasn't

on the show. No, we were just hanging out and he's just started talking about it. I don't have to go into detail, Alex. Well, you could go in as much detail as you want, all right, cool. So we were just all chilling one day. This was like a couple of weeks ago or something. I don't regret saying that. Out of nowhere, Alex just starts talking about how he wants to camp out on his roof with a gun and wait for coyotes. Oh wait, no, a

vital deis that's right? What were you gonna lure them night vision? Oh I thought you were going to lure them with like chickens or something. Yeah, oh yeah, that was right. Well, No, I want the chickens because I remember, I remember we were talking about chickens, because we were talking about how cool it would be to have like a farm or like whatever. Alex just goes, yeah, I want chickens too, so that I can lure coyotes into my yard and sit on my roof with night vision

goggles and shoot them. Isn't that right? Isn't that right? He's a vigilante. Yeah, he thinks, Wayne, I'm saving my chickens by day. He's running. No, no, no, no, no, no, no no, you're not saving your chickens. You're purchasing chickens so that you murder coyotes for the eggs. But that's not what you said for the eggs. No, what you said it was it was to lure the coyotes. No, I I did say it that way, but lying, No, I did say I said that exactly. But the reality is is that

they're gonna come. I want the chickens because I want the eggs, and I don't want I don't want the coyotes to take my fried chicken. Okay, all right, Alex, Yeah, we'll go with that. It is nice to have, Okay, damn cradle jiggling eggs. I'm gonna glaze right past that. And then when I come in here with a full coyote first jacket and a full coyotes with the hood and it's the coyote hood head on my head and it's got his fangs, gonna be jealous. No, we're

not. Are you gonna make that yourself? I want a coyote scarf. I'm just wrong with y'all. It's actually wrong with It's just the I was taking the tongue. What what? Oh my god, I don't be I retired my hunting career long ago, man, Alex. I've never hunted. Actually, I've gone coyote hunting one time. You didn't see any at all. No, we had a bluetooth speaker. We were playing injured small animal noises and we were just sitting in the field watching this bluetoo speaker. They're

smart. I mean they're dogs, you know, and that's kind of makes makes you feel a little bad about it. But they're smart. And then what they'll do is they travel in packs, and if they have this possible prey, they will circle it because at some point in that circle, they'll be down wind and they'll be able to smell. So if I was standing too close inside that circle, they would eventually smell that human scent and basically be like, Nah, that is smart. Yeah, they're mean, they're

dogs. It's like they're just like wild dogs. Yeah. Yeah, they're big too, man, they can get big, big dude. When I was a kid, when I was like probably around ten or so, uh, my dad, for like no joke, like probably three or four years straight, would he was like keeping tabs on this wild coyote that was roaming around Fayetteville, not Hope Mills, Fayetteville weird like in the city. And he named him Cody the Coyote, and he would literally go to China Garden.

Remember China Garden. Yeah, he would go to China Garden like at least once a week to get us Chinese food for dinner. And he would I thought you were talking about the coyote coyotes going to China. I'd give him chickens, man. I put coyote sweet and sour chickens. Yeah, I put Cody the coyote on my back and took him to China Garden. I thought he went to the I honestly, in my head was going that coyotes going to the dumpster of the China food. Oh. No, it's

worse than that. My dad would buy him food. Was a coyote. Yes, he would buy extra food because he knew that either on his way to or from work every day he was gonna see Cody the coyote somewhere. Dude, your dad would track a coyote right, right, right. It's not like when when you hear that it's my dad doing it. It's not a crazy I'm telling you, son, there's this coyote roman face. No, it was more like that I saw him off three to oh one.

Yeah. It was more like he'd come home and like one of the first things out of his mouth would be, like, I saw Cody today. He was down there by the Chin by the Harbor Freight. He was over by the Harbor Freight today. Like every day he would update us on Cody the coyote. Amazing. Yeah, I know he had this relationship with a coyote, and I'm starting to develop a relationship with Stray cats. Really.

Oh man, that's a wonderful, beautiful thing at work. So I'm not very affectionate to the stray cats, but I just kind of keep tabs on them, right, because you got to be cool around your boat. Well, I'm by myself. I just I'm a little abrasive. I would have been surprised if you were affect that. I mean kind of all the cats I'm I am. I lean towards the street cat. I like an indoor outdoor cat. Yeah. In the words of Little bee Man, fishing is

just Fanesse and sea animals. That's a little bee line. Fish is just Vanessen sea animals. That's that's a legendary line. Yeah, fish. It is just it's amazing you on me talk? You want me talking omens? Yeah. I was about to say, Man, this is this it's all just an omen that we're sitting here each other. I got a hell of cool historical facts about omens. I want to hear what you have to say first though, I got I got at least one omen story. I got

two, but I'll hang on to one. I feel like they don't happen to me like before. It was always during That's what mine's about Okay, hit it. So we're talking about OMEN episode. We talked about OMEN episode a week before, we mentioned it two weeks ago. We've been talking about so anyway, it's been crazy. Yeah, it has been. We're talking about OMEN episodes, and so I started going, Okay, I'm I'm gonna have an OMEN. I'm gonna have an OMEN like I'm in my life like

I want. Let's let's let's create some content, right for the podcast. Give me an Omen, give me an O. Not happening. It was time to record the first try no OMEN. I was like, whatever, we come into the studio. Hey, we're not doing omens. Cool next week, right? Uh. I actually did get the OMEN that time, so that that was that day. I think it was Thursday. It's strange because Olivia and my fiance, she always wakes up first. She's she's mourning

dog duty. So the dog gets up about five thirty six o'clock. She takes the dog out race. Yeah, I'm night shift. Okay, night shift is scarier. It's just you know more it's dark. Oh you mean taking the dog out on a walk. Yeah, I'm I'm night shift for dog. She's for dog, she's for dog. This is me being affectionate. No, So it was just you call Olivia woman. That's all you call her. Don't ask questions. So I just woke up. I woke up on Thursday about like five thirty five, five o'clock, and I was

like, man, I feel pretty good. I'm just gonna get up. She was fast asleep. I was like, all right, I'll just take the dog out, you know, take the dog out. We're walking me and the dog and boom out just right in front of us, and like right in front of us, and then down across the water and then perches up in a tree back the way we were. I had to go. So I was like, hush, there's my Omen sick and took the dog back. We're walking back in the and the oil was just going off.

A few weeks ago you were telling us I have an Omen to share with you guys. Yes, And so that was the day of the Omen episode, or when we were gonna do the Omen episode mm, and I was like, cool, Omen, Like it's gonna be a good day. It was not. The day was garbage and I can't remember exactly what happened, but it was just like mildly bad thing. Oh, I remember. One of the things was I thought I lost my wallet. I put my wallet in the wrong spot in the car, called her, Hey, is my

wallet at home? No, it's not here. Check here, No, not here. I called everywhere I went, was like, hey, do you see a wallet? You see a wallet? I locked all my cards. Oh no, I locked all my cards and then I found it. Oh so I had to go unlock all my cards and uh, I dropped three different things down the crack of my driver's seat. This has never happened to me. I'm not that kind of person. I remember you telling us

that. For context, for the listener, Alex is like extremely organized and meticulous and yes, like everything is to the nines to the teas, Like that doesn't happen to Alex. Alex doesn't lose things and like certainly doesn't drop things through the crack in his car three times in one day. It might sound like a normal thing because like that's a pretty much daily occurrence for me, But for Alex, I haven't done it once since that day. That does not two weeks ago. Damn. Yeah, that owl was out of

gets show. I'm like, man, and it just was. But it's not like, oh, my whole day sucks, like, oh day's ruined. It's just like mildly infuriating things like the whole thing. And then we get in and I'm like, all right, got an omen to share, and it was like, not not doing it. We're doing last day of class. So well, we were gonna do it until you broke out that

awesome story about your instructor. And then we were twenty minutes after that story and it's like, well, well, okay, wait a minute, though, I had a lot, I had the owl, and then my instructor came to me with that story that happened that night, that that morning. Yeah, so my instructor had his experience in the morning, and then I had the owl in the morning, and then my day was like trying to throw me off on purpose. So you could interpret it as the spirit world

acting up, the spirit world acting up. The omen for me was hey, we're still here, spirit world, and then the physical world was like, oh, what if we make him mad? What if we throw him off this game? What if we throw him off this spirituality? So wait, did the did your was that your coworker that had that my instructor, your instructor? Yeah, I've I've developed a pretty cool word was that was

So did that happen before or after the owl? It would have been the night three hours prior to the owl, I mean, give or take. That's kind of wild. So like after that happened, one of the first things you saw that day was an owl swooping in front of you. I didn't know that that happened. No, right, no, right, but it did. This happens for him at two in the morning, and then five thirty in the morning owls, and then my day goes just mildly frustrating.

The thing to me is that specifically he just happened to be the morning shift for Juneo, right, which he usually does the night walk. Good point. I didn't even think about that, Like something is different here, you know, Yeah, this day was completely different. It started off different.

Sometimes I think about I think there's a theory like that. And when I leave my house, there's like a there's like a median, and then the median has trees in it. It's just like if you're going, you know, the right side go, it's like the flow of traffic, right, yeah, but it's it's it's like a neighborhood road. So sometimes I'll be like, if I'm feeling something weird or I just want to act up,

I go to the opposite side. I go the wrong way around it on purpose for new reason other than like let's throw some chaos into this day, like if there's some a butterfly effect or predestined thing. I'm just like, I'm going this way sometime the spot. Yeah, yes, it changed up in the spur of the moment, like I'm gonna walk this way instead of this way. Just change it up a little bit. See what happens that I was listening to, like reading about those glitch and the matrix type

stuff, and that's how it happens. I wanted to talk about that too. I'm glad you but a lot of the stuff you were just talking about reminded me of some of the things I wanted to hit today. It's very clear I haven't had like if I'm just being candid here to our wonderful listeners, I wanted to talk about this too. But in the last eight weeks I've been doing construction. I just I have not been as hands on as I would like to be, and I haven't really had time to do much

research but a right, right, I got you, home boy. But my point is, there were some things that I wanted to talk about, like like off the top of my head, like, for example, the matrix different pop culture representations of omens, And one of those was the matrix when it's like the black Cat is walking by. Oh yeah, it was like the first like mission that Neo goes on after he's like gone through his awakening and his training, and the one when when what's it what's the little

guy's name? Mouse? Right? The one where he gets shot up and dies and like is it mouse or mouse? Maybe you talk about the guy who sits he stays, the one who made the girl in the red dress, the lady in the red dress. Uh yeah, I don't remember his name, let me find out. But it's the mission when NEOs the key maker. Is it? No? No, that's like the second one. I think I didn't hear which matrix you were referencing. The first one,

the first one, Yeah, but it's the one when he's mouse. Yeah, yeah, he's like going on. Yeah, that guy he's going on. His first mission is the one where he dies and he sees the black cat walk by, and then he sees it walk by again and he's like deja vu and they're like what yeah, yeah, they freak out, deja vu. I saw a black cat twice and they're like, you know, we gotta get the hell out of here. And it's like yes, it's like you know, and the lore of the movie, the Agent takes over.

But I mean, when you think about it, it's the spirit world manipulating animals and physical reality. Yeah, to not like from the perspective of the movie, to give us a message, but I just thought that was really cool, the profound nature of that. And yeah, in the context of in the context of those movies, the matrix is like, well, I guess it would be the real world would be like the spirit world maybe, and the matrix would be what we know as the real world, you

know or whatever. So it's kind of the same concept, like messages, signs being sent from the other side. It's like the same thing. Yeah, yeah. And then the other thing is I wanted to talk about a major omen that my dad had actually I had with him when my grandfather died in twenty thirteen. We rode in a limo to the church because that's just common, you know, like if youneral possessions a lot of times, like the children for a funeral, Yeah, like the the intermediate family or the

immediate family or whatever. They'll they'll oftentimes do a limo with the funeral service. And we rode in a limo to the church where the ceremony was. And it was raining. It was December, very cold, rainy day. And I don't know if you remember, but when you're going down now, I haven't lived in grays Creek in like eight years now, but I'm trying to remember if it is is it Hawk Bullard Road? Yeah, his name

was Hawk Hawk Boo. Yeah, he married one of my ancestors. But H. Bullard Road, I think it's H. Bullard Road when you in Creek, uh huh, when you go down that road right to go to where our church is to be the tent church. Yes, yeah, yeah. So we're going down H. Bullard Road, rainy December day and on a tree stump on the side of the road there was an owl just freaking looking at us as we're going to the funeral and we thought that was very

weird. That's super weird. Dad put that in the book. There was another time where I think it was my grandfather had cancer before he died. He did beat the cancer. He had a sign, he had a whole healing situation that might also be in Dad's book. I can't remember, but at one point an owl swooped down on the patio, like over their head. And we've just had so many weird things with owls, dude. Right before my dad was shot by a shotgun at ten years old, he was

face to face with an owl. You said, right before, like the day or two before you damn, he's ten years old. But the way he told the story, the owl wasn't real. What like the owl was more etheric, I thought, because that was in the beginning of the book. I don't know. I mean he was ten years old, man. Yeah, it was like it was. It was well written. Yeah, it was like I could have sworn he said something like ghostly or like almost

translucent owl. But I could also just be straight making that up. That's the bull with the lady Okay, really saw the owl. Yeah, And then there was there was this one time that I took as like the biggest omen of my entire life, and it fundamentally changed me inside out. Was I've told the story many times on the podcast back in twenty twelve when me and dad were talking about, you know, the phenomenon, and then the

cows started moving at me. But there wasn't really I was thinking about that too, cow is there or anything, but I was thinking about that's definitely an omen I was thinking about the same thing. Yeah, very strange. Yeah, yes, I don't know. I just it's stuff like that doesn't happen to me before, right, it happens during and after. I can't think of any example. Can you explain that for me a little bit?

I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, you know, like you know, like weird synchronicities, like, yeah, they only happened to during or before or after what? Okay, So, for instance, like the amount of syncreticities that were happening while I while I was in the process of like finding out if this whole move thing was gonna work. Oh okay, the synchronicities were through the roof like daily, many times a day. So it seems to me like you're getting more of a keep going message, yes,

like hold fast, yes, stay hanging there kind of thing. Yes, that is what it feels like for me always. It's never like a foreboding or a foreshadowing, at least not that I've noticed. It's always like a during or even after. Sometimes you know, I'll get like weird little signs and stuff that you know that makes me go into nature loves courage thing. But maybe we'll talk about that. So yeah, maybe we will in like three weeks or something or in like, okay, I got some cool stuff,

let's see. The ancient Mesopotamians looked for omens, both provoked and unprovoked, in everything, and believed that the universe we live in is a is sort of like a giant canvas for messages from the divine, believing that nearly, if not everything in existence carried with it a message. And back in

these times, omens were interpreted by several methods. There was like they did liver divination, which is like literally examining the livers of like dead sheep and dead animals and like to see if there were weird like absesss and and stuff like that. And apparently like it was exactly yeah that one doesn't resonate with me. Well, well no no, but but think about it though, because your liver no, no, okay, come on, spit seriously your

liver, uh filters toxins. Yeah, and and many toxins are released psychosomatically, right or and that animals animals operate on different frequency, Like animals are more sensitive and intune to nature what's going on here and behind the veil. So if there's toxicity or or uh, something that would release that in their mind just beyond the realm of human perception, that they then release those toxins

into their liver. We dissect the liver and say, oh fuck right, yeah, yeah, I mean you gotta you gotta remember this is back in like the very like like two BC to like ten to like ten BC. Dude, Mesopotamia was like more like two thousand BC, right, like right way back. But like at these times, there were every every royal court had a magician, right, all of them around the talk about job of

jobs. Oh oh yeah, you kid like Merlin. It's like being a weather man, like nothing, you cannot you can do no wrong, right, Oh, your experiment killed a couple of people whatever, and that's just the magician. But yeah, like every royal court had an appointed court magician. And these were the same guys who did all forms of divination, like the smoke stuff and the oil stuff, and like here there's there's there's more examples. Yeah, the canamancy is uh, it's where a court magician observes

patterns of oil and water in a dish. And then there's that's cool. Yeah it heard of that one. They would like so, like I was saying earlier, there are like the unprovoked ones, which is where like okay, like, oh, there's one really cool example. Okay, quick example of an unprovoked omen. This is the Battle of Hallis in five eighty five BC. This is in book one of herodotus History, Herodotus' histories. It's an investigation of the conflict between Crotius, the king of Lydia, and Cyrus,

the king of Persia. In a typical Herododean fashion, he makes much digression and comes to the story of the Battle of Hellas. Herodotus records that in the sixth year a battle took place in which it happened when the fight had begun, suddenly the day became night. What this change of day, this change of the day fails. The Milesian had foretold to the Ionians, laying down as a limit this very year in which the change took place.

The Lydians, however, and the Meads, when they saw it had become night instead of days, ceased from their fighting and were both much more eager that peace should be made between them. So like, middle of this battle and five eighty five BC, a solar eclipse that happens like once every thousand years happened in the middle of this battle, and both sides stopped, just stopped fighting and came to a piece broke like broken piece. That's another great

subject of conversation, omens of the stars. And oh dude, that's how it like, that's like low key how it started. Some of the earliest means well actually, no, no, no, this wasn't the early early stuff because obviously astrology, astronomy, it wasn't like being you know, studied. But by the seventh century BC, diviners and court magicians began relying heavily, primarily on astrology to find and interpret omens. Right like it was. They were all about it. That's very cool. But so those are what

you would consider unprovoked because you don't do anything. They just happened. Yeah, a sheep dies and they're like, let's open its liver, like you know, like let's see what's in its liver, I mean, among other things, among other things. Right, but are you gonna dude, let's let them just sit there. Come on, you're gonna make some spicy meatball. There's valuable information in that liver. I'm just saying, maybe other parts liver. I had some liver today. Really. Yeah, that's gross anyway.

Uh, that's actually called hepatoscopy. It's like, it's like, I'll buy it. It's observing irregularities and abnormalities of the entrails of sacrificial sheep. So so you're just like, you just slice that thing open, and the way the guts fall is like, oh, it's for seven years ago. Yeah, the intestines are twisted a funny way. Yeah. Yeah. They would either like do it after a sheep already died, or they would sacrifice one, which that would be provoked and then like the oil and the water

thing that's provoked, taro tea leaves. Yeah, the bone throwing the yeah, bonees, crying and reading. That was popular in China where they would I'm pretty sure it might have been China where they throw the bones and they read the patterns of them. And now a story of Alexander the Great, you perked up a little bit when I said that. I was just excited. I might you know, it might be about me for a second.

This is kind of crazy. This is pretty pretty fucking crazy. Alexander the Great's death was predicted by several omens ravens falling dead at his feet as he approached Babylon, which is where he died. Wow, by the way, Wow, literally like flocks of ravens just died as he approached. Crazy. A sacrificed animal whose liver had no lobe. Look, man, hepatocracy, it's hepatometology, hepatoscopy, hepatoscopy. Man, hepatocracy is a form of It's

a it's like political. It's like baby, I got my I got loaded with appointments. This week, I got my hepatoscophy. Tuesday and three, I got my colonoscopy, and then I got my prostatedoscopy. Yeah. Uh so the sacrificed animal whose liver had no lobe. A lion in his menagerie being attacked and killed by a tame ass. Wait wait, wait wait wait are we talking about like donkeys? Yeah, someone's someone's butt killed killed a lion reading livers? I mean, anything could happen. I guess, dude,

bro, a tame donkey killing a lion. That's thugging. That's thugging. He fucking deep, that's crazy. Bro, You on the wrong block. Ye come around here, I got a question for you. All. You're on a mission. Mission is for everything. Statue, statue, fame, stature, statue, whatever, statues. Yeah, sure you get a statue at the end. I'm sure. Uh you raven start from dead at your feet? Yea, all that stuff. A donkey kills your lion, what are you gonna do? Quit the sheep ain't got a loan on his

liver. That sheep. We got no load? What do you do? Honest question? Okay, well listen in context. Turn around. These are times you can turn around. These are times where you have a fucking court magician whose job it is it It's like you have a guy who it's his whole job to interpret nature and tell you if something's bad is coming, Like yeah, i'd probably like I'm paying this guy to to tell me this shit's happening, And like, turn around. I cannot shake the thought that the

real modern day version of this court magician is just the weather man. I'm stuck on this. We pay this guy his salary. He's wrong more than fifty percent of the time. Yeah, I mean that's honestly a good parallel. It's kind of predicting cosmic weather, but then the like. So if you don't turn around, you're gonna be Alexander the lake. Come on. That was bad, but it was it was bad. Okay, No, but you guys haven't answered the question I did. What's your answer? I

would listen to the court magician. I'm paying him. You're seeing the signs yourself too. Yes, a raven fault? How many ravens have to fall dead at your Okay before you think enough? You don't like his answer? What's yours? If you're going to press him over his answer? Yeah, what's your I didn't, I don't what did you're Alexander? Dammit? What's your answer? I don't think I'd I think i'd press on. Yeah, and he died, so did his court magician, show did everybody else?

Because Alexander decided not to turn around because there was also the people who won are dead now too, Well, that's just because of time. How did he die? He he was assassinated? Wasn't he he was killed. I actually I don't know. Okay, So the last thing was a prisoner wearing the royal diadem and robes, seated on Alexander's throne. These were all omens believed to a predicted his death according to Plutarch. Cool. Yeah, that's super cool. You know who else had a so to speak, court magician,

more like a court astrologer. And this is hilaria or typhoid fever, which are rampant in ancient Babylon. Oh wow, So guess what if he listened to the damn court magician and turn around, they wouldn't have gone to Babylon anymore. From that, what if he died from one of them ravens gave him typhoid fever? Around? That's what I'm saying. No, you're not. You're saying you press off. No, I am saying press you forgot, you forgot your own stance. You're saying you'd listen to the court

magician. Well listen, the real Alexander the Great was far too busy with his boyfriend, so he was. I mean, there's books about it. Yeah, he cared too much about true it's in the movie. What movie that Alexander the Great movie. I can't remember what. Really, I don't know. I can't remember the movie. But there is a not Troy, no, no, let me look it up. There is a movie about

Alexander the Great. I'm pretty sure, man. And then there's that book that oh no, wait, I'm thinking about I'm thinking about Song of Achilles. I'm thinking that's a different is Awesome though I watched Awesome. I've seen them for the first time. Great, cool, great? Have you seen that one? It's been forever. It's called Alexander. It's uh, it's a great name. I think it's Angelina Joe Lee. I think it's yea, Colin Farrell. Angelina Joe Lee plays Alexander the Great. That's fucking no.

She plays Alexander to great. Anthony Hopkins is tall of me? Bro what bro? Rosario Dawson is Roxanne? Come on rocks Henne Rocks, not the Rosanne I was thinking of. Yeah, you're thinking about the better Roxanne from Damn that music. I saw this remix of that song, except they only said rocks rocks. Yeah. Oh, you're talking about the one that the police the police, Yeah, yeah, okay, So you know who

in modern Times had a court astrologer and actually like predicted. Okay, I said Modern Times closer Ronald Reagan, he had a for real, he had a legit astrologer, like in private that dude, he wouldn't even like he would make it was his wife who was like really into this stuff, dude. He was assassinated attempted like three times, and it was predicted by the astrologer for real, And he kept ducking them. He kept moving on, like pushing on. Hey he did. He did survive him though, but

I'll just you know that that didn't exactly go away. If you're on a mission you got, you can't quit unless you unless your court magician tells you to quit. I fire him, get a new one. Hey, which one of us is the court magician in this scenario? In this scenario, like yeah, I feel like in the room, I feel like we are the court magicians that are badly neglected and abused by Alexander the Lake. Oh, you and you and I are the court magicians. It's like, sir,

please, my worshipful master, I desire you to stay alive. He's like, shut the fuck, I'm gonna do what I want. And then he gets shot in the liver and it's like, you know, his lobe is hanging out, and it's like, I'm telling you, my worshipful it's a bad sign. Let me examine your liver. Oh yeah, we need to check your liver out. We really do. Would you would you be willing to would you be willing to do that? Would you? Probably not.

I just sem disappointed you didn't care that you were just adorned as worshipful master. I just I just kind of soaked it up because finally, you know, the truth is realized. Of course, you soaked it what it's supposed to be? What? What is that? It actually just right? You know, yeah, oh my god, what's happening? Back to Mormon's man, Oh my god, Oh god, where's Bobby and Marky when you

need him? Oh? Oh my god. That joke went over so many people's head, you know, you know that so many people are like, what the fuck are they talking? What does he meaning? You're crying? You're crying right now? Oh god, man, oh my god. That was I feel free from the pressure from the pressure of all the damn construction. Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, for sure, soak it up. I think the way Ryan's acting is an omen for what the next episode. Okay, all right, alright, alright, that's about it's about that

time. Let's get it. Then let's stot that time. Love you guys, Love you guys. Bye God, we said guys twice. It's okay, bye guys, guys, guys. Weird things happen in the backyard Blodso house and said over the sink out, it's so weird coming closer to us here. Stick this straight up, like smiling on the inside of it. No one knows. Mad, Wow, it's come right over there. Sid sick, ain't happen beca