Weird things happened in the Weird Weird Weird. Welcome, Welcome to what If Number quarantine. I was I was doing? You know what I was doing? Yeah? I do. Yeah. So before we dive into the what if segment, I wanted to tell you guys a story. Well you wanted to tell me a story. Yeah, that's right, that's right. I'm telling you a story. But I say, you, guys to the audience, did you just cut me? I'm a part. I'm a part of the idea. Hear me? No? No, I turned you down.
It's because you knew what I was going to tell Can you hear what's about it is? Yeah? I heard myself again. We're about to get some Alex, I'll put you out some interference. Sorry, some freaking big big brother stuff going on, some big brother, some big freaking big brother stuff going on. So recently I had the honor of celebrating at Alex and Olivia's engagement. WHOA, is that where the story's going? Well, it's where it's coming from. We ain't going anywhere. Yeah, we're not going anywhere.
We're just gonna take a ride to the past about ten years. Whoa, And it was it was a great party. You know, I don't have any formal complaints. There was the party. The party was the one you went to recently, not yeah it was like the week before you moved here or something like that. Oh cool, And yeah, it was a great party. And we played a game at this party. And it was kind of like an all night thing. You show up, you get a piece of paper and it was a quiz a questionnaire okay, to see who
knew the most about the betrothed. Oh okay, Now, admittedly I probably knew the least because I have not been around it. I mean, it was deep cuts, dude. Yeah, I got a lot of long time hardcore friends. Go back. I've got a lot of friends there that we've been friends longer than me and Olivia. Olivia have been together, right, we've been together ten years, dude. It was deep cut questions like where was their first field trip together? Okay, I was gonna ask are they
all like were they all questions about them as a couple? Yes, okay. And I didn't go to school with them, right, I'm saying I didn't know, like I got like two right, it was. It was it was out of like fourteen oh, my god, and one of the questions shocked me, and I promised that night at the party that I was going to bring it up on the podcast. I just this was my first opportunity to do and the party was such a good time. I don't remember
this conversation. I wonder why it really was a good time. But so the question was how long was the timer that Alex set for their senior prom time? And I'm not gonna lie. When I heard the answer, I was a little shocked. You want to tell that story, you don't have to go into detail the senior prom. I mean, when you're a senior, you're like kind of paying a lot of money to go to prom. But yeah, but you're kind of getting into the party scene, right,
No, I didn't. All right, I'm sorry, Yeah, me either. I don't condone. Ithn't where dorks. Yeah, you are like a normal kid. I don't know. So the proms chaperoned dry and I don't care for any of the music they're playing, and all my friends were hanging out afterward anyway, So the after parties where it's at, well, I mean, could you really call it an after party? When you learn how long the timer was? So so what's the timer? So I told her, I said, I'll take you to prom, but I don't care to
be there that long. She's like, we won't be there that long. I said, okay, well I'm gonna set a timer and when up, I'm leaving. Hold on, hold on, hi, hold on, hold on, hold on. I want to take a moment. So now you know the condition. You know the condition that there was a timer for how long they could be there? How how long you think? First of all, for okay, is this is not gold? This is unbelievable. I'm losing my mind right now. I can't believe this. Let me just say,
Alex, I love you. You are you are, you are. He's one of the guys. You are so lucky that she is still with you. You are so lucky that she is still That is fucking insane. That's insane. That's unbelievable. And so my next lucky guy, you are knowing how all right, So let's I'm trying to put myself in these shoes. It's a lot, it's a lot to digest. You gotta give me a minute. You're just dropping this on me. I almost said, a
normal person, but a normal person wouldn't do this at all. So a normal esque amount of time I would think, like like a reasonable amount of time would be like two hours. I'm gonna I'm gonna just hang on. I'm gonna I'm gonna cut that in half and say, like a person who's willing to put a timer on their prom would probably be like, we're out of here in an hour, Alex. Alex. On the other hand, twenty minutes. It was twenty minutes. It was I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I felt that shit to my core.
I was like this, dude, this absolute psychopath, is gonna say I'm out in twenty minutes. Dude, You're insane. That's not that's not normal. You told your prom date, your prom date who you had been with for years, probably six years at that point. Yeah, I'm not staying more than twenty I'm putting a timer on my phone and I will not. I want for the record, I did stay longer than twenty minutes. Well that's good. I didn't hear that part. That was another twenty five seven
minutes. Dude, Okay, I have to know, was like Olivia cool with that or was she a little pissed. I'm pretty sure she was cool with it because the rest of the night went very well. Okay, you had a went to the real I mean we went to parties, like we went to like three or three after parties, ended up at her house all our friends, Like we hung out with our friends. Yeah yeah, and have more FD the prom experience. But but what you guys don't know.
It wasn't on the questionnaire was our junior prom experience? Would you care to elaborate or do you feel exposed? We spent less time because we didn't go well. We got dressed up like we were going to prom, took pictures like we were going to prom. Not to eat. Really, that was it. That was it, eat went home. Okay, that's a lot more like chill. Yeah. We were just both like it's not about juniors.
It's the same promye right, And it's like it's not about us, Like I don't want to pay this money because you got to buy a ticket. Yeah yeah, I don't want to pay the ticket to go I didn't want to pay the ticket to go to prom. Prom. But I'm also I didn't pay you had to pay for your parking. I didn't pay for parking. I parked at my friend's house and walked the block like it.
It was more of an authority thing for me. I think at that point, right, the leaders of the prom right like, this is all about the seniors, and I'm gonna be way cooler than that. I'm going to rise above the occasion. Well, it was like the man wants you to go to Prome right right? Oh my god, that's an amazing story, dude, Like, I'm it's gonna take a while for that to settle into
my consciousness and for me to like really registered. Dude, what I mean that that party was like three weeks ago, and I'm I'm finally telling the story. I didn't forget I can. I can pull those questions up, you got them? Yeah? Yeah, Because there was another question on there that was, this is this is Alex and Olivia's blank time dating? Oh? I got that one wrong? Blank time dating? Like like how many times have they dated? It? Broken up and dated? Oh? I
got that one wrong. Oh I thought I knew, But are you going to give us the answer? Yeah, I'll tell you the story. Yes not. It doesn't make me look good at all. So anybody out there that thought I was good, you're wrong. I don't think I expect that. No, so maybe lose it. It's eighth grade. Okay, it's eighth grade. How old are you in eighth grade? Like thirteen fourteen sounds about right. So her friend told me that she liked me. Oh. I was like okay, and I went I said, hey, you want
to you want to go out with me? She's like yeah, I've been waiting for this, like for years. She was obsessed with me. Oh wait, Olivia's friend No, Olivia, Oh okay. Olivia's friend told me that she liked me. No clue, she'd like me since sixth grade. I've never met her, right, she's like stalking me. I don't know. She said, hey, you wanna go out? And she's like yeah. I was all right. I went home. I'm like, man, just don't feel right whatever. The next day. The next day, the
next day, I was like, eh, nah, I'm joking. Done. We're on Yes. So first stint was a day one day. Yeah. Yeah, so that was my first So then I was a situation too. But but it's so interesting because it introduced us. So now she like doesn't like me, but were we talk? So we talked for about six months, and she's like, I hate you. I hate you. Well then I was like, all right, well, I'm sorry. You want to try this again? You want to go out? She's like, sure,
we'll try to get after six months. After about six months because I hate you, right, we were talking the whole time. Uh two days later, no, no, no, dude. Two days two days later, I was like, doesn't feel right. Oh my god, I'm over it. We're done, We're none. She was devastated, rightfully, So I mean I'm a catch. Oh my god, get on with it. So get on with it. We continue talking for like a year, and
I remember that year went around. We started hanging out at Christmas time, would hang out after school, would hang out and like, all right, she's starting to like me again after a year and conditioning, and this is I can't believe I'm telling everybody this. So I remember Valentine's Day rolls around. I went, got a box of donuts, cut up roses, put the roses in the donuts. Show up. I'm like, you know, and I'd apologized a million times before this. Show up on Valentine's Day?
Will you go out with me? No? Got them? Yeah, I can't blame her, so like that feels right? Tell me again she did I asked her. My story is I asked her every single day from Valentine's Day to March eighth, twenty fourteen. Dang, dude, that's like almost a whole month. Yeah, you asked her out like thirty times every day. I was like, I messed up twice. I get that. Every
day asked her out. No, no, no, that's I'd ask her in person, I'd ask her over text, I'd call her up, I'd ask her no, no, no, no, no, no no. And then March eighth, it was like ten o'clock at night. I was like, hey, you got me. She's like yeah, and I'm in bed. I'm like what And I picked up the phone and caller and I said, look, I'm not doing this over text? What do you go out me? And she's like yeah, what changed? Okay? I don't know. Then the next day you woke up and you're like, no,
that was it. There's a lesson here. There's a lesson here. What's persistence? Dude? You asked her out every day and was rejected almost thirty times. It's like you wanted to have to work really hard for it. Yeah, or it was a solid move on her part, and she like curated this this like attraction or like you desire her. Like it was because she said no that I wanted it more. It was like because the goal was so hard and unattainable, I was like, I have to do this.
And then then ten years later, here we are. We are married in September. Our engagement party was on our ten year anniversary and it was awesome and you guys are meant to be. I just thought I promised I would bring up that story at the party, and I thought this episode was appropriate, just to continue on the Olivia train here. I went to work today, went right from work to school, and right from school to podcasts. I'm on my way to school, I realized I forgot my white collared
shirt, my uniform for this show. So I call her. I say, hey, stop what you're doing. Go get my shirt and take it over to Ryan's house so that when I get there later tonight, I'll have my shirt. She said, okay, I said, get my hat. She argued with me about my hat, because I forgot I have two of these. You don't have three of them? No, No, two with the white trucker. Oh oh right, yeah one's uh, I got both
of them. You can't buy because I only wear one off stuff. Right, that's your old stick is you just wear the authority thing, right exactly. It has to be an exclusive just him. Yeah, all right, that's enough about me. That was the the Alex hour. I just I felt like I had to bring that up. That that is unbelievable. I
just it just paints an even more broad picture. Do you remember like when we were kids and we were going to prom together, Like how exciting it was with our group of friends, like at least my senior year because you were a junior. We all, you know, and it's like twenty minutes. This dude put a timer on. Ye went into overtime. Yeah, he had an alarm. That's alarming. It is alarming. Honestly, man, there is nobody in the world like you. That's that's a fact.
Man, that's true. Don't maybe well, I mean it could go you. I wasn't necessarily kidding you a compliment there, so, but in all seriousness, man, that that that's that's hilarious. So we got the what ifs. I'm reading my questions from that question there. It's been a minute. It has been a minute since we've done a one what if? But f get we're here. It's gonna be fun. We are. We have talked it over extensively, and at least for this episode, we're gonna be
doing all Patreon jar. I feel like we did that last time. We've definitely no, we mixed it up last time. I remember vividly, Okay, vividly vividly was I wearing. Honestly, I think it was the same shirt. Okay, I'm gonna look it up. Okay, if you're right, dude, I'm just gonna bow before you, like Lisa. Yeah, so this one, this episode is all gonna be submissions from our discord through our Patreon, Patreon dot com slash bloodso said Sue. Oh, I just
thought to say something on our discord. We had an event the other night if you want to do oh yeah that a little bit. Yeah, we had an event the other night where for the first so we do we try to do every month or two, we'll do some kind of event where we hang out with as many people in the discord that can make it. It's usually some form of like voice chat. Sometimes we like play games. Sometimes we've watched movies before, but mostly most of the time it's just like hop
in and chat with everybody and just talk or whatever. But this last time, which was what last week, Monday, Monday the other day, we had a cool idea. We sat here in the studio, you know, because we're we live close by now. We sat right here and we turned on the camera and it was kind of like a live episode of Blood so
said so. But we were interacting with the chat people were chatting and sending messages and gifts and like goofs and gaffs, and and then we started kind of pulling people in one on one and just spending a few minutes talking to people. It was so much fun. It was very fun. It really did feel like an episode. It did, even though we went for two hours. Yeah, it went by like that. And I at the end of it, I mean, it's like it was late in the night and
we got stuff going on. But at the end of it, I was like, dang, dude, like that could have went on another two hours. Absolutely, it just went by so fast. It was so fun. I'm looking forward to doing that in the future and going even longer. Yeah, for sure. And like this is just one iteration of some of the wonderful things that we're going to be able to implement now that Nick lives here and we've got some other ideas we're cooking up. Yes, let's patreon dot
com slash blood so said so for some more cool stuff. Ryan, Yes, sir, get ready to bow down my friend. He was wearing that shirt exaction. You're I got the receipts right here. You're lying show me. Oh my god. For the listener, Ryan is bowing before the camera's there. The camera does not see Ryan, right right. That's why that's what I said for the listener. Man, dude, that I'm honestly shocked. There will be signs and wonders. I am psychic. That got me.
That got me, Dude, you're still gar You're still goar. I'm still going, Oh my god, that I actually another miracle. I just lost the question. I don't know I read I read it though I know it. Hey, you know what, I'll show you a miracle. I'm gonna quote the question don't you touch it or you'll lose your hand? What I wanted to prove that I could quote what is happening this episode what don't you gotta send a message old school from Chiron Phoenix. Chiron Phoenix, thank
you. What if there is only one thing and something about the illusion of separation? What's the man? And our life is an illusion of separation? What if there is only one thing in our life is an illusion of separation? Separation, Chiron Phoenix. This has been This has been discussed for eons, for forever, since the beginning, since the beginning, and through like
many different lenses. And it's something that I actually think about a lot for some reason because even even like scientifically like string theory, like look at string theory, it's the whole of string theory is essential. Like if you zoom in the absolute farthest that you can on any cell or any multicellular organism or anything in the world, anything at all. Everything is made of just tiny, tiny, little like subparticle strings, right, which would be the one
thing you know that everything is made of. But from a philosophical lens or like an occult lens, it's like you could look at it as everything is soul, right, everything is the mind, whereas in alchemy they call it asof do they that's like what the it's like the force, yeah, like the life force of that. Yeah, the intelligence, Yeah, it's azof it's it's the principle that animates the universe. And yeah, I mean I
I do believe that that's intrinsically true. I think it's like at this point with all of the knowledge that exists so far back in the ancient world, and you know, sure most people aren't aware of it. That's that's the key here is getting people aware of it. But I think like the onus is to disprove it at this point, right, Yeah. Yeah, And like you know, there's there's multiple ways that people have interpreted this. People. You know, I've heard like everything is light, everything is energy,
there's many lenses consciousness. Yeah, everything is consciousness. I think that the whole, like as off Alchemy angle is like that's kind of what I like feel at least, you know, if I if I try to think about it and think, like intuitively what resonates with me, Like everything is like spirit or everything is you know, spirit, energy, whatever, whatever you want to call it, Like, you know, the whole Plato's Cave thing. You know, we talked about it in the Dreams episode recently, Like
even Hinduism being the oldest recorded religion. You know, obviously that there's an argument to be made that maybe there are wisdom traditions that could be older than all of them. I'm not saying that's not true or not possible, but I'm just saying mainstream recorded religions, Hinduism is the oldest. It's at least
five thousand years old. Yeah, And that's just, like I want to say, that's just when the texts were written, like it was orally transmitted for a very long time, and it's the basis of their cosmology is that this is just all the dream of God, It's all the dream of Brahma, you know. Yeah, Like and if that's true, if that's the case, just from a psychology perspective, when you have a dream at night and you have a cast of characters in your dream, they're all different parts
of your psyche. Yes, they're all different characters of your mind. Yeah, they're all one thing. There are representations of your subconscious. The illusion of being separate absolutely. Yeah, that's where it gets weird, the whole illusion of separate thing, because then you get into like what is matter? You know, matter is essentially just like energy. That's vibrating slow enough to create an illusion of matter. But did you know I learned recently that literally,
like cells literally never touch really, they do not touch me. You you go like this and put your hands together, and you're like, no, they're definitely touching, but like, no, cells do not touch. Wow. Ever, Like it's unbelievable, that's weird. It's the illusion of separation. It's I mean, even scientifically, matter is described as an illusion from everything that we know fundamentally about science. Like it's it's not like,
it's it's weird. It breaks the concept of like what is real and what's not real. So somebody was tripping out the other You lost your hat, Yeah, I got hot. Okay, somebody's tripping out the other day because of the words that they use to describe our bodies that basically force this separate language on you, like you're made of cells, but cells, like a
cell is somewhere you sit in solitude. Mmm, So you have all of these words for things that describe you that go along with this illusion of separation. Damn do you're a poet and you didn't even know it. I know, I definitely saw that online somewhere. I'm not thinking credit, I'm just tripping because how can you become something you already are? Because he said he got hot? Oh my gosh, are you blushing now? I've been blessing
since the beginning of this episode. That's a great question, though, great question, Kiron Phoenix, thank you so much. Thank you. That's a that's a banger, ructor you got me pondering. Let's do another one. Don't what I'm I'm not allowed to like exclaim enthusiastically. I'm not allowed at giggle. What's sure? Maybe maybe I'm giggling with you, you know what I mean, not at you necessarily. All right, here we go.
This one is from is that Joey Calves? Yeah, C A V S. Joey Calves shout out, Shout out Joey Calves Patreon dot Com, slash Let's said so inside the discord, Joey, what if we are incarnated here to learn master thoughts? To learn to master thoughts? I have bad writing? I was like, I was like, that sounds cool. What's a master to learn to master? What if we are incarnated here to learn to master thoughts? Because in higher realms, thoughts manifest quicker and net and negative
thoughts would have detrimental effects on the universe. Oh so higher higher realms thoughts. Oh, in higher realms, thoughts manifest quicker and negative thoughts would have detrimental effects on the universe. That's interesting to think about. I mean,
how could we ever know that? Right, it's just speculation, but it makes a lot of sense, Like, especially when you get into the story of Atlantis, Right, even though there's so many different versions of it, when you look at like Heleno Blovotsky's version or Edgar Casey, they all have this same story. That's like, we were at the peak of our evolution,
our evolutionary form of consciousness, whatever version we manifested as. And the idea is that we were more spiritual beings, we were less corporeal, and we were more psychic or you could say magical or whatever. And the story there is that there was a group who were basically like black magicians, who self serving, egotistical, you know, they had animalistic desires and wanted to
gain from their abilities, basically caused like the destruction of it all. I mean, it's similar concept, but I mean, if that's true, that's literally it makes sense. Yeah, we've talked a lot about Like, you know, the reality that we live in is mental. You know, there's a lot of discussion about everything is mental and manifestation, and that's how all of that stuff works. Where your mind goes, energy flows. Yes,
So your literal mission here, I think is to master thought. Yeah, And coupled with my favorite quote that I mentioned sometime ago, you suffer more in your imagination than you do in reality. So I think that might be evidence, if I remember the question correctly, that that is true, because if you think of your mind as a etheric space, then you're causing more suffering thinking negatively quicker up here in the ether in your mind than you are
physically in reality. Yeah, So mastering your thoughts is the goal. Yeah, And honestly, like mastering your thoughts, like that's one of the most difficult things that I could imagine mastering. You know, think about like I don't know, there's there's infinite examples of this, but think about like meditation,
for instance. How shit's hard. Yeah, I mean, like the classic sit down and think about nothing meditation of course, right, right, Like try to like to the whole concept of trying to like clear your mind and like enjoy a moment. You know, it's like there are these branch off types of meditation that are now kind of like more focused on like acknowledge your thoughts and like see them pass by you and things like that. You know, but the whole practice is to learn how to deal with your thoughts.
And it's just like such a behemoth. Like I feel like I feel like that's like low key enlightenment, like when you when you master your thoughts. Yeah, I can't. You know, I have trouble thinking of something that would be more difficult than mastering your thoughts. Well, because you haven't mastered your thoughts. That's true. I guess I just won't know until I
mastered my thoughts. Yeah, then you'll see it clearly. Yeah, it's like, you know, because it's that there's this whole concept of like there's three you's. There's like the conscious you, the subconscious you, and then there's like the viewer of every of all of it. There's like thoughts like just like bombarding you from like randomly, things will just pop into your head. You're like, where did that come from? And it feels like it's
not you. Yes, it feels like it's not you. But then like a lot of people will judge themselves from their thoughts, right, even if it's something that just like pops into their mind and they're like, why you know I'm crazy. I must be crazy because I'm having these thoughts like sometimes I want to do ridiculous things and traffic. Yes, yeah, it's not
me. The just popped in there. Oh dude. Every pretty much everybody I've ever talked to is like, yeah, you ever have that thing where you're driving and you just want to like like pull the steering wheel and crash Like it's it's you're not called the fanatost principle in psychology. Really yeah, there's like studies on this that you know. It's like you ever standing up on a ledge and you're just like, what if I just jumped? Ye
doesn't mean you actually want to do it. Or you're like using a blender and you're like, what if I just stuck my hand inside of this? While it's like going, yeah, it's the fanatost principle. It's like how subconsciously we're we're aware of death at all times? Right, you know what I mean? It's a natural urge, It's a natural curiosity, right, It's it's like it's really like a defense mechanism to like warn you of like the worst case scenario type thing. But a lot of people will like judge
themselves for having thoughts like that or other random thoughts in their mind. That's what the whole movie Turning Red is about. It is literally movie great, literally it is. That's a really good example. Danatos is a Greek god of death, by the way, yes you know, for those who weren't aware, Oh yes, but that's something my dad is very big on, like to shine a light on how he is in private. He is very big on like literally how you think about other people when they're not around,
Like not how you speak even, but how you think about them. He's always he's so big on like don't judge, don't judge. That's why I'm always saying that. It's because you beat it into my head. Don't judge people. You know, you gotta You can't make somebody be what you want them to be. You have to love people for who you are. You have to change your thoughts about them. And it took me a long time
to really like believe that, and it's hard to master. It is very hard to master, but it's it's like one of the most important things that you can do in your life. Like your your life. You will become an infinitely happier person when you start to notice the little judgments you may have, or even big judgments you may have about people around you. Like, ultimately, life is really really hard, but it's also really really beautiful,
and there's beauty in every aspect of every person. Like it's it's true, and they may be very different from you, and it may make you very, very uncomfortable, but like we all know how important it is to feel loved and cared and accepted, and like giving that to people is the best gift that you could give. Just like we had Alex moaning No, well, I wanted to say to Ryan while we're on the what you brought up your dad, And I just want to say, for all the people out
there and all the rumors, he is doing well. What rumors. So he's been quiet and so people are like worried, Oh oh, yeah, I've been reading some comments. So your dad is doing well. You're doing very well. He's great. He'd been living with me for the last week. We've working on my new house. Yeah, he's hard at work. He's doing great. He's a very busy guy. Yeah, yeah, for
sure, he's got you know, It's like I I can understand. You know, It's like he posts or videos every day for a while, and I imagine that for a lot of people out there in the world who don't see this kind of thing, they're waiting to see the next video. Yes, I think about this because I didn't think about it like that, you know, because I was so used to the trauma of being ridiculed and criticized.
But anyway, it's like I could, I could understand why he stops posting and people become worried, But the reality is he's still getting the videos, He's still out there. He's just taking a break from dealing with social media. You ever ran a social media even your own, and like yeah, and like actually like tried to get out there, Like it's very mentally taxing, and he just needs a break and he's just trying to enjoy life for a while. I actually deleted mine off my phone last week. Really,
yeah, too much time. So yeah, it's it's it's a it's a big commitment. It'll go back on because I've like I feel bad because we have the podcast and like there's some level of responsibility for like keeping up with that stuff. But like I was, I'm like, I'm taking a break for a little while. Yeah. Mostly it's a mental commitment, absolutely. You know, it's not even that it's like a commitment, you know,
like sure, you you got to do stuff. And and and I don't even really post on my Instagram a whole lot because of the mental tax and the dream in the in the commitments I post when I feel moved to post anymore. I don't care about growing for sure, the Instagram following and trying to like this or that or the other, and and and that's the same way. It's just like we're doing our thing. We're putting out there whatever we want to put out there, and you know, we don't owe
anybody anything for sure. For sure. That's that's a weird thing about social media where people feel like they like have to post stuff, and so they'll just put together whatever just to post it. And yeah, I get months sometimes it's it's very mentally taxing. But give me the jar. Thank you, Joey Chavez. That was a really good question. Yeah it was, And that was a fun one. Alex Is pulling one whoa back into what if train? You all it's been a minute. I'm excited. Yeah,
it has been. It's fun. Well we got all right? This one is from Inside the Discord, Inside the Pictreon to the Stars eighty seven. All right, hang on, let me hit the soundboard here. Hey, what what if the edge of the universe wasn't the end but the beginning? Oh wow, that could be interpreted a couple of ways. You get to the you get to the edge of the universe, and it's the beginning of that universe or the beginning of another universe. How do you interpret that?
I don't. I don't. You can call me crazy. I don't really quite know where I land on space. Hold up, what are you talking about? I don't know, but we're talking about traveling to the end of the universe. You believe in the universe? I mean, I don't know how big it is. That's my thing. Well, if it's a foot or if it's a light year, you know there's still an end to it theoretically, right, I mean so then, okay, so this is the end of the yard stick there. This is making me think, like Horton,
here's a who type thing. What are you saying? Like, right, our universe is this jar, okay, right next to its jar, and we're all on a dandelion pods pod universes butt it up next to each other. Wouldn't it be crazy if you could see if we could see other planets like we would other countries. Imagine the news you know how we have, like you know, we have world news. You've got all these things going on. We've got a twenty four hour news cycle for the world.
Imagine if we had other planets we had to monitor and create monetization off of news. You know what it'd be like. It'd be like there's weapons of mass destruction on Pluto. Yeah, we've got to go invade yep. It would just be the same thing as it is now on a larger scale. Yeah. Or it could be a utopia like Star Trek, like it's like a well, I don't know if I would call it utopia because there's like evil aliens. Yeah, they're like bad guys and stuff there are, but
like humanity, Oh, they threatened the authority. Yes, I would say though that if that does have eventually refined you know, sophisticated life and whatever. I think high up on the priority list is making lightsabers real. That's already a thing. They did it. It's done, it's done. They did it. And so in recent years there have been like multiple like it's a real lightsaber, but like most of them had like a giant power cord coming out of them, and it's like, okay, and it's really just
like a torch or whatever. But you know what I'm saying, Like for years it's just been that, but like very recently they have one that has no cord, no nothing, and it's like actually like when you touch it, there's resistant, like when you touch it to they can like touch each other. I don't know. I don't know that that probably wouldn't happen.
I don't know, but it's it's not possible. No, it's just like heat and light, you know, like even technically and obviously this is a weird nitpick, but like even in Star Wars, it's like, how are those bouncing? It's just light? How are those bouncing? How does it bounce off anything? Well, it's a saber too, it is, but it's light. But it's a sword. Okay. And in the beginning I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this. I mean, it's like
a toroidal field. It's like it's like damn, It's like damn King Kong verse God's you know what I mean. They go down into the ocean. I don't, and they get to the you don't know. You hadn't seen it, or you don't know. I hadn't seen it, but I can try to picture it, and I'm still I'm not quite there yet, but
You're you're not finished, so I might. It's like they go down to the bottom of the ocean and they go through a portal and it's like, whoop, there is you know, they're in a different I would buy that, though in real life that down at the I mean it's as above so below, bro, Like, yeah, I I would buy that. If you told me there's a portal in the ocean, I like, you know what. I know. This isn't bating to the question. But I saw I can't remember if I saw it on Reddit or if I saw it on
TikTok or what. But it was like somebody who used to work Now granted I am loosely paraphrasing here, it was like they worked at NASA or the Navy or something, and they were trying to do like deep ocean mapping, like way down, miles down, like farther than like what James Cameron be. Yeah, no far anti space exploration and pro ocean exploration. Just for the record, right, everybody that got that down, write that, don't you do not want to forget the record is sacred. Jot that down,
yeah, digitize it. Tell me more. I want to know more about this map. They were doing deep ocean exploration trying to chart like abysses and stuff, and apparently they found horrific super intelligent cephalopod creatures that were extremely dangerous. Oh my god, what sense like or they'll break you apart with their mind. No, no, neither, well maybe they have teeth, but they were just like like like, imagine something that's like so intelligent it knows
how to dismantle a summarine. Oh you know what I mean? Stuff like that, like literally the King, Yeah, I guess, like like literally the demon cracking from I almost said, Johnny Depp. Could I could smell you were about to say it, Dude Jones, the demon cracking from Johnny Depp. Dude, that is crazy. That's the most absurd sentence I've ever heard. Yeah, it is. It may very well be other than the twenty minute thing. And one of the scariest things I can imagine is a
hyper intelligent cphalopod dismantling your submarine. People are scared of sharks. I know, well the people will be scary too. People would be me right right, You're smart to be scared. I got big teeth. And also I've seen a bunch of them. I'm not seeing one of these cephalopods. I rest my case and dropped that down. Oh damn. I'm very interested though,
and I'm gonna go look into this. You just got God. But my point in saying that is like, there's a whole world down there that we're not aware of, you know, and it is as above so below. It's like it's like I imagine that space would be the same thing. And I I tend to think that this inherently is a consciousness based simulation. Like, what are your thoughts on the multiverse. I believe in it.
I mean, if there's other dimensions, then it's it's kind of like another universe, right, yeah, I mean I feel like, I mean, what's our definition here? I'm not a quantum physicist, but no, no, it's different. Not necessarily no, but yeah, so according to quantum physics, which some people consider fringe, I wanna say cringe some people. It's not cringe. I'm sure some people consider very interesting. If you consider quantum physics cringe your cringe. Ye, honestly your cringe got that down,
doubt you. Guys have a lot of writing to do. But yes, so even in quantum physics, the multiverse theory is like a strong theory. It's it's right up there next to string theory, where essentially there's like a possibly infinite number of universes. Some people think it's infinite. Some people think it's like specifically like nine or or eleven, right, something like that.
You've heard that, yeah, there is a string theory like there's eleven yes or dimensions, but then there's also just as many, if not more, theories that there's infinite number of universes. The thing that I've always pondered about, like the multiverse, uh, is that what separates those dimensions? You know, you hear things like the there are there are portals that are doors to these other dimensions, but then you'll also hear other things that say like
that other dimensions are like layered over our dimension or our our reality. It's like literally around you right now. You just can't see it or experience it because it's it's in a different dimension, but in occupying the same space or whatever. I feel like, out of both of those, the one that makes the most sense to me would be that they're somewhere else. Do you know that the that the dimensions are not layered, because I think that they
are. I think, Okay, it's like I think that there's there's an invisible spiritual world all around us. Well, yeah, like an avatar. Are you saying, like, oh, here's another dimension where there's another version of me living a whole lot, right, Yeah, that would be somewhere else. I agree, Right, I think that both could simultaneously make sense. It just kind of depends on if you consider the spirit realm like an alternate universe. You know, I think that's what I'm saying. It's a
definition problem, it is, it is. It's all speculations. Yes, I feel like the spirit realm is definitely something that's like layered on top of our reality, onto or below our reality, and you know, it's it's like coexisting. But as far as the whole like multiverse theory where there's like infinite versions of you or whatever that I don't know. There's a version of it. Start in space jam three there is. And I was like the basketball Star. Yeah like that, Yeah, I was the star. It
was Michael Jordan and then Lebron James and then me. Yes, I want to visit that real. I do too, man, I really do. I want to see me like thriving in that way. What am I like seven feet tall? Yeah? Oh damn dude, I want to go there. Yeah. Man, you play for what? What? What team do you play for? Again? Man? Yeah, it's not the Lakers.
I'm trying to think, of course. You you remember they don't know that many basketball teams, I know, but you remember it's and then like the sixty nine ers, Yes, yes, yes, of course, But what's that team? The forty nine ers. That's football, that's football sixty nine. But I'm pretty sure it's seventy six ers. I thought it was. It is definitely the sixty nine ers, for sure, for sure it is.
Uh yeah, that was it's the seventy six ers, not in this universe the seventy nine You're wrong, lame, you don't know anything about sports. Yeah, and and his in my universe, I think if agraph Yeah, no, you can't because of that Timer story. No, he stopped giving autographs. Did it became too much? It was way too much. It really was. You. I know, I'm good at basketball, and I can hang out with the Looney Tunes. But leave me alone. Sometimes
you just want to go to the grocery store like everybody else. Normal guy. Yeah, you know, and leave me alone. It's a banana, Michael, what is it? Sorry? T Sorry, I was channeling my alternate universe self. Yeah, back, I'm missing damn Looney Tunes man. All right. If the spirit well, I got one more thing to say about that question. Please, If if the spiritual law as above so below is true, and I do think it is, I think it's the most
important spiritual law that we can use to understand these things. That's what it says in the Cibian Right, It's like if you if you ponder as above so below, it'll open the doorway to understanding the higher realities, right, And I do believe that. And if that's true, then what that basically means is if you're new to the show or you hadn't been here, a while. Yet it means that the higher realms, or rather the lower realms, the lower dimensions are like a mirror image or like a fractal of the
higher realms. Right, So think about it like the macrocosm versus the microcosm. Think about it like you have a city versus a state, versus a country, versus a continent versus a planet, right, you know, and it keeps going up and up, But then you can also go all the way down infinitely. You look at the cell and you zoom down and you get on their level, and you see billions of them, and it's this
infinite little world inside of your body. And then if you zoom in on one of those, like you were saying string theory, it's another infinite little world inside of them. So it has to exist in that way in the universe. So like, maybe let's just say, let's just pretend that, you know, hypothetically the model of the universe forgiven is true, and we can get in this ship and we can just go all the way to the end of it. It might take fifty billion lifetimes, but assuming that we
can make the journey, right, I feel like it's infinite evolution. Is happening based on conscious observation. Right, So even like you have some forests in the Amazon that's never been seen, it's never been touched. Sure, it exists, there's animals, there's trees, there's overgrowth and all this jungle, right, But what would happen if we were to show up there?
Then we would start trimming the jungle and we would start evolving it, right, We would start putting up buildings, We would start changing the literal structure of this area, and over time, infinitely it would it would constantly evolve and change and change. And every time we find these new frontiers, we evolve them, right, I mean more or less. I feel like, what would happen if we were to get into a ship and we would go all all the way to the edge of the universe. It would keep being
observed, right, it would just keep being observed. And I feel like, if this is a consciousness based simulation, like it's just going to keep going as it's observed. Yeah, right, if that keep rendering. But then I don't know, because I often contemplate can we even get in a physical metal vessel and fly out of there? I wonder if this is the realm and those are just like luminaries, you know, like I'm open to both. I can't ever know until I'm dead, right, we really can't
know these answers. Gosh, I'd be so bummed if you didn't find out. Well, well, yeah you won't, but but I won't be saying but yeah, anyway, great question, Yes, great, great, Now I gotta think about that. I like to see you think they hate it when I ponder. I like to see the muscles on your forehead, the they're they're working overtime. Yeah, the throbbing veins in your forehead. I'm
scared to put the camera on me. Now it's on you. Oh well maybe maybe they not on you, but I can see you in the camera and it's flattering. Is it my turn? Yes? Oh, let's give a shout out. Read that name right there and make it good. Blake Powers see space jam three. Wait what that was your basketball voice? Oh? Oh okay, what if every video game was a channeled experience into another
dimension? Okay? Oh, this is kind of similar. So the first question we had with life separation illusion thing that will first start making me think by death, then started making me think about what if you just take the headset off one day and you're in an arcade right like that ricking yes, yes, where he lives an entire lifetime and then he comes out and he's like, oh my god, what does happen? I feel like I feel
like certain psychedelics induce that feeling. What do you what feeling? Oh, that you're like visiting on some other life that you're literally just playing a game in a like you are God experiencing this and that someday you take the headset off, well that's like take a break from gaming, right, right, right, and you get to go like, let me take a break, yeah, and sleep. Then the universe ends, right, that's the story. When Brahma wakes up from the dream, it all ceases to exist.
But but something exists because you woke up from the dream. I don't know, am I reading into that too? But I mean a dream doesn't exist once you wake up from it, it's gone. It existed in some form. This is true, then it still exists, right, so you just go from one to another. Right, you were just accessing it, right, But the question, boys, the freaking questions, I wonder, like, here's how I see it with the current technology that we have in games.
It's just a bunch of really sexy ones and zeros. Oh yeah, you know what I mean, It's just a bunch of commands saying do this. Like I feel like, because of the nature of bugs and the limitations of technology that we have today, I don't know that I would go so far as to say that games are like a channeled experience. I mean, it's just a bunch of input commands. Well okay, but let's look a
little bit deeper with it though. Yes, they are just like commands and ones and zeros, But it is still video games are still in art form for sure, and often they have a story. And so here's my thought. You're playing Zelda Okerana of Time and you're just woo whatever, but like that idea like struck someone the power of the story, Yeah, the archetypal expression on the mind. Yeah, that's good. That story, the story of Zelda, the the like god of war. Yeah yeah, I mean
the way it hits you. They are channeling these archetypal concepts like from the divine, like there are you know, it's we talk about it with movies and video games and TV shows, and we love to do that on this show, how like divine inspiration of these like core truths of the universe like come through people in the form of art, in the form of different stories
and whatever. So in a way, it's like maybe maybe in some abstract way, it is like a form of channeling to like bring that archetypal concept into this realm in the form of a video game. Yeah. I didn't really think about it that way, but that does make sense. But what I was going to say was, I feel like as the technology increases and it removes that barrier of like, oh, this is just a game, because eventually we're going to hit a point. Dude, I saw video yesterday
and it blew my mind. Like we all know they've been working on neuralink forever. Yeah, and no, Alex, I'm not trying to get into a conspiracy conversation about neuralink. I'm just talking about it. I'm tired. I'm not trying to say it's good or it's bad. That's not what I'm doing here. I'm just objectively telling the video I saw, and the video I saw was the first guy who had neuralink implanted you saw it, yes, dude, He's like he's I don't know what his condition was. I
just saw a clip. But he's paralyzed, right, He's like, I think he was a paraplegic. Yeah, he can't even work, yeah, literally, And they gave him neuralink and they were unleashing the the functions in stages to try to not overload his brain. And the video I saw he was playing SIV and Mario Kart with his mind. Now I'm like, okay,
is this just a game anymore? You know, there's there's there's no barrier between like I'm holding a controller, I'm playing the game and it's doing something like Okay, there's still a barrier because based on the current form of the technology, he has to think the commands right because of the way video
games are. But I just I feel like in the far future there's gonna be some some like incredible version of a neurallink that's not used for evil purposes, because we I mean, come on, like, we know the world is never gonna end. It's just like all the ancient stories, just like the Lady and the Beings, the world's not gonna end. What's gonna happen
is the darkness of the world, the the power of the corruption. They're gonna be rooted out over time, They're gonna it's gonna this is my understanding of the New Age, right, and eventually we will live in a peaceful world where technology is used for good purposes to benefit humanity. I could tell there being some really good neural interface type technology that really does benefit us where dude, we're like we are the game, you know what I mean.
Then it's like, Okay, channel experience, brother, you know, I just have to say, everything that you just described is Star Trek. Really, that is the story of Stars Trek. Like humanity reached a point to where like they ended all war like ended, they became one united unit. Like but it's good, and it's all good, and all technological advancement is only for the good of humanity. They did away with like weapons and and
like everything. It's it's all it's it's all in the name of like exploration and like furthering the evolution of like humans and human consciousness and their understanding of the universe. It's like a utopia. It's I feel like that's where we're headed and not Star Trek, but that concept, right, And they have technology where they step into a room and their thoughts just manifest around them. It's it's called the uh, oh god, don't put me in there on
or something. You walk into the room and literally like you're holocrons the Jedi stuff. Oh right, yeah, I forget what it's called, right right, right, yeah, but yeah, you go into this room and it's literally just like you could just imagine your your surrounding environment. You know. All I want to say is when YouTube started, it was pretty awesome, that's true, And now you got to watch forty ads? What did I just say? What did I just say that we're the lady the ancient spiritual?
I just don't want ads in my dreams. You're a doomer. You're being doomy because you're you're anticipating that that will go on forever. But it won't. There's going to be a future. Well, all this greed and corruption is gone. Okay, No, let's play this. Let's and I'm not getting in an argument with you. I'm not either, but at some point I'm teaching you prosthetic Uh. Technology is going to surpass what we are
given organically. Now we're in cyberpunk. Great. No, So essentially, if you have enough money to buy stronger limbs, you become a stronger person. Yeah, that's cyberpunk. Cyberpunk literally, you know. But then someone puts a back door in all of it and can shut it all downs in your dreams. Yeah, then the then the cyber police gets them. No, I'm just messing around, but yeah, I mean sure, I just I don't know. I don't think that we should run from technology, but
I think we should. I think that the technology has in some level replaced the connection with God, for sure, and that the connection with God needs to be re established for us and for us to properly use technology as a species, so that the idea of wanting to put ads in people's dreams does not become the model. Like, yeah, that doesn't become the norm, it doesn't become how can I exploit more people for more money? Right? So, which is so we got to do away with greed right all,
Like I'm talking big corporations and all that, those models of existence. It's a tough that's a tough I mean without getting into an economic discussion. Yes, and purely a purely a like betterment of the world discussion for philosophical discussion. I agree with you. Yeah, I'm just talking purely theoretical. I'm
not saying this is actually going to happen. Yeah, it's also interesting that, like I don't know if you if you guys did this, but one year of my uh government schooling, the literature class was purely focused on Utopia. Nice, and I had to read multiple Utopia books that all end up
non dystopian. They all end up all of them like you can basically more thanks for coming to seventh grade into utopia is impossible to go to eighth You know what is another thought that would lead to that is because it's like, yeah, I mean there is it's duality, right, Like there is negativity
inherently existent within the human condition. So even if we had a utopia, dude, there'd still be bad people out there doing shit, you know what I mean, like Star trek Es, right, So yeah, I mean, I mean that's also just because we're here to experience life, right, Like not writing off bad things. I'm not saying I'm not condoning bad things,
but you're condemning them. I'm I am condemning bad things. What about sacrifice human We've already covered that, condemning it all right, there's nothing for me to say any more. Yeah, I just want to say, Look, we don't know the future, We really don't. All I do know, in my heart of hearts is that there's there's good ahead for humanity. I really believe it. And you know what, I'd rather believe that than all the negative shit I'm being told I'm supposed to believe. Man Ain't that
that damn truth? Right? Yes? Like, if nothing else compels you to think positively is better than thinking negatively? Exactly what do you have to lose? Why do you have to lose? Yes, it's like just because you're manifesting everything, don't manifest negative things exactly. Yeah, But I'm saying if you break it all down to its simplest form, even if you do
away with the manifestation thing, like, just think about yourself. Do that obviously hypothetically I'm joking, but like, think about yourself going through your day. Wouldn't it just be so much better if you just were just like thinking good thoughts and like being kind and you know, I have a hope for
the future and not worried about it all the time. Yeah, Yeah, if nothing else like that is way better than ruminating on the negative things, or being being scared or because that leads to wanting to wake up in the morning and wanting to continue. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, it's very true, and it's worth continuing, and it compounds. It's exponential if you're thinking positive even like about the future, versus thinking negatively about the
future, which what do we call that worry? Yes, or fear general anxiety, oh yeah, or fear. If you're thinking positively, you're more present, absolutely, absolutely, period. Like look, just you know, and if that's hard for some people, because you know, everybody's different, it is. It's hard for some people to just do that, just like every day, just make it a habit to just look around and notice the things that like make you happy, like the leaves. It takes write one
of them down and then the next day right too down. It takes faith in the goodness of the universe. Absolutely, it does. A lot of people don't have enough faith in that. Yeah, but start small. If it's hard for you to start small, and if you don't think it's there, be it become it. This is how our full disclosures have been going. And then last week I yelled into the microphone, did you yeah,
get an effort to hype people up. Yeah, ah, no, no, it was like I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was of the line of it was on the line of like, seize the day. Man. If you've been thinking about doing something, do it. Oh yeah, this is your sign, dude, you've been looking for a sign, do it. Ah, that's awesome, that's good, that's a that's a great place to in the episode. I mean, it's just it's a definition question, man, Like, if you go to the end, is
it really the beginning? That means you're gonna start the next episode? Yeah, next week, next week. Alright, guys, bye, guys. Weird things happen in the backyard of lets O house. Shit O, look up. It's so weird, kind of closer to heart, like smiring on the inside of it. No one knows. Wow, it's come right over now. He sided not having a happines