Weird things happened in the Weird Weird Weird Welcome episode episode forty Showdy Am I dreaming? Are you? I don't know? Yeah? Yeah, you keep dreaming dream We're gonna talk about dreams today. I was pretty shocked to find out we haven't done a dreams episode yet. Yeah. I know, it's like, we've talked about some interesting dreams. I've definitely described some of my dreams. Uh, Emily came on and talked about dreams. Alex loves talking
about his dreams. That's true, but we haven't done one like dedicated to the other day. When you were like, we should do dreams, I literally pulled up my phone and I was like, but I thought we did, and I went I looked through every episode and he did. I was
actually shocked. Yeah, well, if you couldn't recall the number, it's probable that we didn't do it. Yeaing meaning you are a walking blood so said so index that can pull for any Yeah, it's only like the first twenty man like past that I don't know right which one was the Moon the Moon Landing Conspiracy episode thirteen. Yep, that's exactly no way, was it really? Yeah? I looked out of the other. It's only like the first few. Man, I forget past that. I'm not some legend as
you claim. No. No, on Full Disclosure last week, I don't remember. I'm saying that I heard it. Well, okay, on Full Disclosure last week, he pulled uh. He accurately picked the two one of Space Honesty episode Damn, which was number eleven. Yep, you could. We could sit here for an hour and you could ask me every single one. I don't think i'd get a single one of them, like, not even our biggest ones, like our big monumental episodes. Right, don't even
think i'd remember. I remember the first Stream of Consciousness six, right, Stream of Consciousness episode was six. I'm pretty sure. No. Then, the one I'm thinking of is the the one where we kind of aired everything out. The whole show took a turn after this, and it was somewhere in the sixties. Oh, it was like sixty seven or sixty eight. Yeah, yeah, and it was called when Keeping It Real, Good Keeping It Real? That's right. Yeah, I remember that episode. Yeah,
but I'm pretty sure the first Stream of Consciousness was episode six. I'm gonna verify, honestly, I believe uh, Lisa and Algaib, dude, my favorite part of that movie, bro mine or doing too spoiler, but you know what, like if you hadn't watched it at this point, I pray for your soul. My favorite part of that movie, and then then we'll move on. But you brought it up, man, you opened this cannel. Dude, it was sixty eight? What what what keeping it real goes
wrong? Sixty eight? Yeah, sixty eight. But what about the first stream of consciousness? Was it? In fact? Number six? It was? It was? Yeah, it was wow. I told you, man, just listen. No, I know you're right. I just like verifying because it's fun for me. I think my favorite part of that whole movie was was when he like basically declared he was the Messiah and still are standing there and he's like got this big smile and his tears are going down his
face. He's like, what do you foresee? Mandy? I was like, oh that that that hit deep. Yeah. I mean that movie was like fucking masterpiece, Like, oh my god, everything about it was so sick. I was honestly stunned. A lot of how good it was didn't strike me until like the next after day. Yeah, I was just thinking about it, That's what I'm saying. Like, you just leaving Shock,
You're like, gosh, man, it was so crazy. You go into a movie with some sort of expectation, right, and I went into that movie with the expectation it was gonna be awesome, and when I left, I just was blank. Yeah, no, honestly, yeah, I mean I knew based off of the first one, like the first one was so good, and some people, some people are like it was too slow or whatever, like so what even a freaking you're an iPad kid, like on the YouTube feed. You gotta get the next quick, little jolting fix.
Like sometimes movies are slow. They got to be playing some of the best movies ever are slow, Yeah for sure, slow Burn, yeah, Godfather, Yeah, they got to be playing their Temple run while grow up and that kills me. People. Man, the movie was three hours, good make it four and shut up. Yeah, if it's a good movie, it is it necessary? Right? The Lord of the Rings are some of
the longest movies ever. Longo, they're not They're not. I have many times in my life watched them all back to back, and every time it's like that didn't seem like fourteen hours. Yeah, give me more, give me more. And it's like all the people watching the podcast, remember in the beginning, the first uh, the first thing we got was like, they need to be longer. Remember, they need to be longer, they need to be two hours. Yeah, okay, that's what I'm saying about
the movies. You know what I'm saying. Dog, I know you know what I'm saying. And speaking of dreams, dude, Yeah, there was dreams in Doune. There were dreams, and dude, there were in fact the first movie, like before even the opening credits and all of that stuff rolls. It's the whole dreams are messages from the deep thing with them talking like dog, yep, you know what I'm talking about it hearken dude. Okay, we're just gonna talk about dude, that's fine. I went into
the first one completely blind at your recommendation. I only knew anything about the story that you had told me secondhand. About the book I knew. I looked up nothing. I did not care to see the movie, but I was like, whatever, it's a good movie. We had just moved in next door, you know. And it came out like two or three months later. So I was like, let's walk to the movies. And I left that movie and I was I was so sure it was the best movie
I had ever seen. And we literally did an episode on it. Remember, Yeah, we did a Dune episode. Oh yeah, and what number was it? I don't know, twenty one one? Find out the twenty one. God, it probably was that long ago. It was because it's been like three years since the first one came out. Yeah, and no, it was groundbreaking even then. I mean, yeah, to the people who say it's slow, it's like, come on that there's exposition. They
have to establish an entire cinematic universe. They have to immerse you in this exp your ants, like they have to lay a baseline. And like, oh my god, it was twenty one. Way I said, I only knew up to twenty I guess I lied. Yeah you did, lie, dude, you went past your own dude expectations. All right, I got a hard one for you, sorry, Nick to cut you off completely. Quiz time, Ryan Akira, we just did that one. That's not fair. I know. Whatever was it. It's been it's been a few months.
Yeah, one twenty seven eleven. Ah, ain't you tricked me. I told you, man, the first twenty Wait, you know, I don't even know all them. That's pretty like easy to remember though, because the movies are like one point one one, two point two two? Uh you mean evang Gelian. Oh yeah, he's in the Kira damn it. It's a leap day, man, we did We did those very close to each other. No leap day was last year. I know. I'm just trying to like pull out any excuse I can, man, give me a
pass. Well, you know what, you know, what's a bummer, dude? Why do we have to sleep half our life? A third? A third of our life? Why? Hey, speaking of that, I saw today when I was just like looking into the general science of dreams that on average we actually dream about two hours of night, so over the course of our life it amounts to god, I can't remember the numbers, like ten thousand hours of dream time or something like that, but that's pretty crazy
when you think about it. That is crazy. Also, think about when you dream, it feels like you're dreaming the entire time you sleep. Yeah, it does. You almost always like wake up from a dream, right, I mean, I don't know, I guess some people don't like dream or whatever, but like, you know, if you're dreaming, you usually wake up at least it feels like that. The way that works from like the brainwave perspective is, you know, so there's the five brain waves there,
starting from the top. It's gamma, beta, alpha, Theta, and then delta, and we're in theta when we dream. When you're in a deep sleep, you're in delta. So you know, we sleep on ninety minute rim cycles. Yeah, so for the majority of the you know, seven and a half or eight hours or whatever that we're sleeping at night, you're in rim for like ninety minutes or something like that. You're technically not dreaming the whole time. If you wake up naturally during a rim cycle,
which is that rapid eye movement, you're not dreaming. If you naturally wake up during that, you won't come like WHOA, I was dreaming, You weren't. But if you're woken up during that theta state, your dream was interrupted. That's when you tend to be able to recall your dreams. M Yeah, because from what I was seeing, it seems like the theta waves happen like before and after the rim sleep, right, right, which
is the delta waves, right, right? Yeah, and uh, you know, we've talked a lot about Theta wave and like being in that FADA state, and there's ways to do that in waking life as well. But a lot of profound stuff about FATA waves, which I'm sure we'll talk about, but as like a baseline, Okay, dreams, right, that's what the episode's about. Let's give it the program. Guys. Dreams they're weird. It's it's a weird immeasurable thing. Strange. What what other words can
we use to describe mysterious? Serious is another one that we cant They're kind of kooky, they're a little wuky, they're uky spooky at times. But it's like with some of the things that we talk about, like there's hard, concrete like facts and statistics and stuff to pull from. Uh. We've been requested many, many, many many times to do a dream episode. We weren't like deliberately holding it off or anything. It just never it never
felt more research every night. Yeah, it would trying to be really for this moment, right, It's all been leading up to this. I'm honestly no joke. I've been dreaming really hard this week? Have you very vivid, very hard? Any about me? I'm not gonna talk about those ones. Wow. I will say that one of my favorite things is when you don't remember it when you wake up, but then you're like in the middle of your working day and you're like, oh my god, I had a
dream last night. Yeah, it all comes back to you like in the middle, and you got to stop what you're doing to process what happened. But maybe that's just me. No, no, that that is. That's usually how I recount my dreams. I've always wanted to do like the dream journal thing, you know, I just never have committed to doing it. I know people like talk about it's a good way to lucid dream regularly, and it's a good way to be able to recat your dream's better and all
this stuff. I've just never done it. I straight up look him up on the spot. Oh. If I have a dream that I'm like, this is this is symbolic. I will wake up from the dream, grab my phone, which is probably not great just blue light and stuff, but but then immediately research what did this mean, and then get my answer and be like, Okay, go back to sleep. Huh. A really good representation that I happened to see recently of like Psychoanalysis of dreams. Was an
episode of The Sopranos. Yes are are both of you guys? In season three? Yeah? No, no, no, okay, Well, I won't spoil I circumstance, the one with the car crash when oh she sorry, yeah Nick are you? No? No, no, no, I'm in season three. I don't okay no, So the one in one or end of one, beginning of two when she's not he's not her client, but then she has the dream about him in the car accident, she takes
him back, She takes him back? Is that? But there's another one in season three, following a gruesome event wither Yeah, yeah, And I thought it was really cool how like, again, we won't go into the events. I'm not gonna spoil anything. You can uncover your innocent ears.
I'm just saying. I really liked how the show illustrated like Freud's psychoanalysis of dreams, Like, you know, this character, whoever she may be for Alex's sake, is talking to a therapist about her dream, and it's actually really cool how they have these like strange details that look like nonsense, but they actually meant something deep down on a subconscious mind, you know. And
that's that's how dreams work. It's like every dream is symbolic, right, and if you're able to recall it enough and pull it that thread, like, you'll find that everything has some sort of deep meaning, especially animals. I mean, yeah, so animals for sure, but I also feel like, you know, sometimes I'll have a little bit to drink, watch the Sopranos all night and then have a very mobster dream, like very soprano's dream, you know what I mean, And I'm like, yeah, this is
probably in symbolic. This is probably just my drunk mind, yes, sorting it out kind of thing. Well, it is symbolic. It's symbolic of what you were watching on TV. Okay, I'll buy that. I do have a I do have an animal dream I want to talk about. But well, before we before we get into recounting and telling like specific dreams, I want to just get like a baseline about what we feel about dreams, what we think they are. They're weird, right, they're they give me
goose, They're kooky. But you know that there's been a ton of discussion amongst I mean for sense antiquity from philosophers and mystics and these scientists and like about like just trying to figure out the significance of dreams, what they are,
where they come from. Some people say that the dream realm is a realm, that that like you know, is a constant and right, you know, sometimes you'll have like me and Casey were talking about this the other night where she's like, I have this recurring dream about school, but it doesn't look like school, but I know that it's, you know, the school that we went to. I have a lot of those two you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, And She's like, every time I am having a dream in school, it looks exactly the same and it feels like I'm in the same place. That's a thing. So I just want to get like, what does your intuition tell you about dreams? I tend to agree with the opinions of like like Rudolph Steiner and Helena Blovotsky that it is another realm. And they're not the only ones either, Like the Egyptians believe this.
The Gnostics a bunch of different mystical schools of thought. Basically, like we have the three or four distinctly separate part of the human mind body spirit complex. It's like on the lowest plane, you have this earth body, and then you have like the etheric body, and then you have like the
astral body, and then the ego or the higher spirit. And the belief in these schools of thought is that when the body sleeps at night, the etheric body stays with the body to sort of like you know, you know how our body gets repaired, but like when we're sleeping at night, Yeah, muscle recovery, your brain, rest your nervous system, things like that. The belief is that the ego and the astral body leave and go to the dream realm, and then the etheric body begins work on repairing the physical
body. But you recall your dreams because you are present with your higher parts of yourself, like exploring an actually different dimension. Yeah, and that I mean that makes sense to me. Yeah, than when you are like recalling or recounting, when that stuff is coming back to you, you're like remembering the things that your higher self or your ego was experiencing in those other realms.
Right, there are seven distinct different types of dreams. According to theosophy I actually wrote them down, and I'm glad that you asked that question. So Blavotsky further divides dreams into seven classes. Prophetic dreams. These are impressed on our memory by the higher self, and are generally planned and clear, either a voice heard or the coming event. Foreseen allegorical dreams or hazy glimpses of realities caught by the brain and distorted by our fancy. These are generally
only half true. Dreams sent by adepts good or bad, by mesmerizers, or by the thoughts of very powerful minds bent on making us do their will. Retrospective dreams of events. I'm sorry for me. Can you read that last one again? Dreams simp by adepts, good or bad, by mesmerizers, or by the thoughts of very powerful minds bent on me Can us do their will? Number four retrospective dreams of events belonging to past incarnations. That's
very cool. I never thought about dreaming of a past life in your dream. You know, like, that's super cool. Number five warning dreams for others who are unable to be impressed themselves. Six Confused dreams, the causes of which have been discussed above, which I don't have it was a very long excerpt from from some Blovotsky book. And then seven dreams, which are mere fancies and chaotic pictures owing to digestion, some mental trouble or such like
external cause. And you know, the digestion is in reference to like it's pretty much accepted that like going to sleep with a full stomach can cause nightmares, you know, like you can cause you to have distress dreams. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't be having nightmares and you be stuff in yourself, dude. No, I mean not like, not in a crazy way. I just tend to eat dinner late and go to bed early. Yeah. No, I've always heard that that if you eat close to the
time you go to sleep, you have nightmares. Yeah. I mean I haven't like verified it, but you know, probably not just out of experience, but that's just me. You're immune. You have a superior I say it. I've never had bad dreams. Well, a cool thing. So
commenting on the whole adepts thing. With the theosophic view of dreams, they believe that when a person like reaches enlightenment, they are considered an adept in the realm of dreams and they basically rather than dreaming or being subject to dreams, they are like always astral projecting, yeah, and in full control, like constantly, always lucid dreaming and projecting their consciousness elsewhere. It's the same
with the Gnostic movement. There's a modern reform. We know this. We just did a Gnostic episode came out last week from the time we're recording this obviously, and like we know it's an ancient movement, but there was a modern sort of resurgence of the movement made popular by a guy named Semi El
a oun way Or. It's not his real name, it was his name that he you know how a lot of like Garus and stuff, they'll they'll I'm a spiritual master, and they'll change their name, you know what I'm talking about, Like yeah, Ron Dawstin, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He called himself Semiel a un way Or, And he created this like modern program of like Gnostic, the Path of Awakening, and I followed it for months, like I got pretty far into it. I've even quoted it on
this show for many episodes. On the Christmas episode even I read quite a bit from it. And the main thing I gathered from the program was that the entire purpose of it was to become awake in your dreams, you know, so that that corroborates the the lot. Did you did you have results in lucid dreaming? I didn't really try. I just wanted to study it from an intellectual perspective and I didn't really care to do the practices. To be honest, Have you had lucid dreams lately, like in the past that
you can recall that weren't from childhood. I've never had a lucid dream really. I've had like two, but both of them were childhood. I've had a handful, but with I found that in the times where I was trying to lucid dream it often turned into sleep paralysis, and so I just kind of stayed away from it. It's like the blim and Citi is the what in city is? You know? I don't like horror movies. It's actually really dope. Let's talk about it for a second, because it's it's on
brand for the for the episode. But in Cidious one and two, they're they're they're really very very good movies. They're not super scary. If you're like a horror freak and you're like watch movies just to get scared. They're not going to really scare you. But the story is fantastic. It's about this boy who gets like really sick and he's basically trapped in the astral world, like he's he's in a coma, but he's he's really there in the
dream world and he's like basically being tormented by a demon. And so Patrick Wilson like goes into the dream world to find him. And Patrick Wilson is that Owen Wilson's brother. I don't know the guy from Idiot. I've never questioned that. No, no, no, Owen Wilson's the guy's from Kirchow saying that Owen Wilson's brother was in Idiocracy. No, you know what it's about, you go ahead and finish. No, I do know what it's about. And I recently became even more interested in that movie because I found
out who made it, the guy that did Silicon Valley. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, we should watch it. I've never seen it, but I know all about it. I know like what happens, I know the premise. I've just never watched it. We should watch it. I'd be down it's been a long time. It's one of those movies that is like like kind of polarizing, like you either love it or hate it. It's like cult classic vibes. Yeah, for sure, continue about Insidious,
So I'm cooked. I don't even remember where I was going with it. It just was all about dreams in the astral world and like they're, oh, oh, because sleep paralysis. Yeah, yeah, there were there was like demons like tormenting them in the astral realm, and he did. It wasn't sleep paralysis, but yeah, it reminded me of the movie.
You know, like the theory that sleep paralysis may some people do think that a spirit or a mind that is really awake but is not necessarily trained properly would be like on the cusp of lucid dreaming, but then would would fall back to sleep paralysis. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, while we're on the topic, I had planned on talking about sleep paralysis. So let's just go into that. If you're cool of that. I've talked about it on the show many times. I've gotten a lot of requests. I've
seen it in the comments, I've seen it in discord. Shout out to the Omi's shout out to it. Yeah, Patreon dot com slash blets have said, so that's for you, Alex. I've gotten a lot of we have gotten a lot of requests to like talk about sleep paralysis because a lot of you out there have it too, and it's scary. It's like, it is scary. I've had it a couple of times, have you. Yeah, I don't know. I'd like to hear about your experience. Yeah, one, I can remember in vivid detail. I've had it hundreds of
times. I don't know why. I don't know. The sleep is spooky, it's mysterious, it is, I don't know why. I've just since I was around ten or eleven or so. I've told this story before. But the first time it ever happened, let me just tell a couple a couple anecdotal sleep paralysis recounts, recalls, whatever that word is. First time it ever happened. I was probably ten eleven. Me and my brother were in the living room watching TV. I think we were watching MTV or so,
you know, just like chilling in the living room. It was late, and sometimes we would do that. We would like just chill in the living room late at night and end up just falling asleep in the living room right like whatever on a weekend or something. So we're hanging out and watching the TV. I'm on the couch, my brother is next to me on the love seat. We're both just like laying down watching TV whatever. And from my perspective, I'm watching the TV, nothing has changed, there's no
lapse, there's no nothing, and I turn. I try to turn and like say something to my brother. Body doesn't move. Uh oh yeah, And first time it ever happened. I'm a kid. It's like what, like, what's what's you know? I've never heard of it. No, Like so scary, So try to move, couldn't immediately. I'm like internally panicking, but obviously my body cannot move. And I just kept trying and trying and trying, and what happens with me a lot. Eventually I'll be
able to move, but it's like very slow. It's like I'm moving in super slow mo. Oh god. It's the worst feeling. So I'm like trying to turn and talk to my brother to be like help, kid, Like I don't know what's going on. And I'm like turning super slowly and I open my mouth to say his name. Nothing is coming out. I'm like, I feel my mouth open like really slowly, and I'm like trying
to say Robbie and nothing is coming out of my mouth. And I just kept trying and trying and trying until I erupted awake, screaming, like literally and you traumatize your brother even more. Yeah, and then like my parents woke up and came in like what is going on? And Yeah, from my perspective, there was no lapse. It was like I never fell asleep. It was just like life continued and I was paralyzed and couldn't move.
And so that one wasn't like it was scary because I couldn't move, but it wasn't spooky like there's demons and spirits, but those happened very quickly. Afterwards. There was another one that happened in the living room. I was home alone and I was in the living room late at night watching TV whatever. Everybody else is asleep, and I again, no lapse, no nothing.
I just start hearing very quiet a whisper in the room and it was like behind my head and I heard it and I like turned around, I'm like, uh okay, and I was moving like I wasn't I wasn't frozen or whatever. I just heard it. I turned around like okay, and the whisper continued and got louder and louder and louder, until it was like a cacophony of sinister sounding whispers. And then that's when I like froze, like everything froze when the whispers got really loud, when I wanted to move
and get out of the room, that's when my body like froze. And it was but I didn't see anything. I think that was the next time, then the third or fourth time it ever happened. This all was happening like within weeks of each other, like not a lot of time passing. I fell asleep on It was a weekend. I had stayed up late playing Super Smash Brothers with my friend from down the street, and so I you know, it's the middle of the day and I was like super tired.
I fell asleep. I think literally it was just my mom was home. Oh yeah, because Dad and Robbie and Sissy were all riding dirt bikes. They went to the dirt bike track. Because I never did that. I just didn't want to tell I wasn't interested. So I fell asleep in my brother's room because at the time, the game cube was in there. And I fell asleep in his room on his bed, playing the game cube. And all I remember is I am laying on the bed, same thing,
no laps, whatever. I see the room all around me, vividly, just as if I'm awake. I hear sounds in the house. Whatever. It's like, nothing's weird, it's normal. I sweared to God. You remember Lord of the Rings. Might have been two towers. I think it was two towers when Frodo falls into the marsh, Yeah, two towers. It was two Towerska and he sees those like green spirits. Yeah, well, one of them comes out of my brother's closet, oh like slowly, and I see it, and I immediately try to move in. Can't.
I'm frozen. And so I'm just s bearing witness to this spirit, this this literal like green, malevolent looking, scary spirit. It's like slowly floating around the room. Doesn't see me, doesn't notice me. Apparently another one comes in from the door, and then another one that I don't know where
it came from. I just noticed it. There's like multiple figures like like green, like translucent, scary, tattered, nasty looking like spirits or ghosts or something in this room, and all at once, all at once, they all turned and looked at me and started like slowly floating towards me. And when they got like close to my face, I woke up, dang horrified. That's crazy. Yeah, And I've had many experiences with sleep paralysis
since then. A lot of them are very spooky. Some of them are just literally like oh, I wake up, or I think I wake up, and I'm just like frozen, I can't move. Some of them are like way scarier demons, witches, spirits. But you know, I have not had sleep paralysis now at this point, like weirdly enough, like around the time that we started doing the podcast. Wow, just like it rarely happens, it's happened, like since we started the podcast, it's happened a
handful of times. So it used to happen like once a month. I've had it once vividly enough that I could remember. I want to say I've had it twice. But there was one that stands out in particular that I remember, and I was in this like dark chap it just felt like this really old stone building with like stained glass windows all around me, and it
was dark like nighttime. Maybe there was like moonlight coming through the windows, and there was this demonic figure standing there like haunting me, like trying to torment me, and I just remember saying Jesus over and over again. I would have been like eighteen when I had this dream too, and I just remember like praying it away and I won and I woke up. So could you, like while it was happening, could you like not move? I
don't really remember that detail. I just remember there being that figure there in the environment around me. Yeah, And I just remember like in my dream, I was like praying yeah, you know. Yeah, I've had it where it's almost like you're awaken you see everything around you, and then there's
just like dream stuff superimposed on top. And then I've had them like that where it's like you're somewhere completely different and you're being like but it feels real, oh yeah, and you're being like oppressed by some like dark entity or spirit or whatever. You ever had it, Alex, sleep paralysis? No, it is, it is. It is very very wild. Yeah, I've never heard of like a non scary one, you know. Yeah,
I always scary nightmares as a kid. Interestingly enough, the term nightmare originated in Europe during the Middle Ages. It the term nightmare referred to a supernatural entity, typically female, that positioned herself on top of a person's chest to suffocate them during sleep. Medical explanations up to the twentieth century suggested that a nightmare was caused by stagnant blood or vapors rising from the stomach and affecting the
nervous system. So the the thing about sleep paralysis is going back to like, like twenty four hundred BC is the earliest one that I found. Going back thousands and thousands of years, sleep paralysis has almost always been associated with like a malevolent entity, whether it be a demon, a witch, a dark spirit, something like that. It's almost always like that. Uh So, in yeah, twenty four hundred BC in Mesopotamia they called them lilito,
which is like a female demon. Researchers believe that this is from early folklore, that the concepts of incubus, sucubis and the nightmare descended from these like really really early accounts. It's like a dark entity. It's almost always like choking you or it's like weighing down on top of you. I've had one like that. Really, it was like, yeah, like on my chest. Really I want to hear that. I mean, I don't really remember that well. I just remember it being like something was on top of me.
Well, my nightmares is what prompted my lucid dreaming as a kid. Really, yeah, the nightmares would be so bad. I would realize that they were dreams. Like I was like, this literally could not happen in reality. Therefore I'm dreaming. Therefore I started changing what was going on to be more lighthearted and not scary. I remember being like held at like gunpoint or sword point and being like, wait a minute, and then turn it
to flowers. Turn turned the sword. Yeah, turned the sword to flowers, and I was like, ha ha, you can't hurt me with flowers. That kind of thing. That reminds me of Watchmen. Remember that movie when they're like putting the flowers in the gun and then they get shot up. It's so brutal. Yeah. Yeah, there's a few more that are that are really cool. I wanted to talk about. One of them is called ag rog. This is the old hag phenomenon. Also called agrog was
described by residents of Newfoundland in the nineteen seventies. Believe your believers of this attribute paralysis, pressure on the chest, and other symptoms to blood that is stagnated or an enemy who wants to harm the sleeper is another thing that kind of comes up a lot, like some old cultures that believe in like witch doctors or what's the other like voodoo type stuff and even theosophically like Blovotsky talks about, like the adepts that could have ill intentions and kind of like sick
these things. That stuff definitely does exist, you know what I mean, like witches and all that. You know, I mean, obviously it's mythologized, but I mean that that stuff's real, man, No, it absolutely is. I mean it's it's the dark side of the coin, right.
It's like we hear at this podcast this community, like we've seen miracles, we've seen the light side of this phenomenon of the soul, and you have to understand that, like there is another side to that coin that is very it's just as real, right, And it all comes down to your intentions, right, right, It's like this the phenomenon is real, period and how you interact with that. It all stems from your own personal intentions.
If you connect to it with like love and lightheartedness and a pure intention, then only good things come from that. But like it is powerful inherently period, and that power can unfortunately be weaponized by by people or entities with ill intentions. Yeah, or rather that like you know, the phenomenon as we understand it is good, but there are dark forces too, you know what
I mean, like that people connect with. But my favorite example of like nightmares would be HP Lovecraft, you know, because I don't know if we did talk about this on our HP Lovecraft episode. No, I cannot remember what number thirty seven. I don't know, it's gonna be some totally different number, but I think thirty seven is actually untold Encounters. But anyway, so so you're good for up to thirty seven now something like that. We'll
just keep pushing the limit. But we did talk about this on the HP Lovecraft episode. Like, people don't realize how much this man changed the world through his dreams, you know what I mean. The first like for him to create the Ulu mythos and you know, just the general HP Lovecraft lore he received it through nightmares, actual nightmares. And it's crazy when you think about that, these little stories, these nightmares he was having in his head.
He writes them down and he goes and he publishes them, and one hundred years later, No, you're not gonna turn on the TV and you know see all the greatest HP Lovecraft hits, but a lot of the greatest horror hits of all time. You go dig deep and you look at you know, interviews with the directors and the authors of these stories. Stephen King for example, John Carpenter, Guillermo del Toro, and many numerous others will tell you like, oh, yeah, I was completely inspired by HP Lovecraft.
This guy changed the horror genre through his nightmares. So that begs the question to me. You know, sure, it's dark, it's spooky dreams, but is there's something real to dreams? You know what I mean? There's gotta be so much so that one one person can have these haunting nightmares in his childhood, publish them, alter the course of history for the next or not history, alter the course of horror for the next one hundred years.
You know that man was having some powerful dreams, but that there's something to it. You know there's something real. I mean I had a dream that literally became reality. Yeah, that's another thing I wanted to talk about, precognition. Tell me about it. No, I don't want to. I'm sure you like, I just like, fine, Yeah, I don't want to go into it. That's fine, that's but you just have to take my word for it. Yeah. No, That's another thing that comes
up a lot, is like this precognition phenomenon within dreams. But before we go to that, on the HP Lovecraft thing, I got some nightmares talk about too. Oh yes, I would love to hear about your nightmares, anything to like give me a peek into your fascinating brain. Uh. But yeah, with the the Lovecraft thing, there's a couple of things a you know, saying you know there's something to it, or like it means something like look at like Carl Jung like his whole you know. He in his
career he was one of the biggest pioneers in dream analysis. Like he He is on record saying that he has analyzed no less than eighty thousand dreams of from himself but mostly his patients. Wow. That is wild. Oh yeah, no less And he says it very likely was more but no less than eighty thousand, like deeply taking notes and analyzing and cross referencing to understand these
dreams. And like one of the biggest things that he kind of pioneered in understanding dreams is archetypes, right, you know, pulling like collective unconscious exactly. And and I mean Lovecraft's works are so abstract, right, they're so it was the first of its kind, absolutely, it was the first. Yeah. And and that's what happens when a new work like materializes in this
world that is outside of the bounds that anyone's ever seen before. Mm hmm, The world like morphs around it. Right, It's like, whoa like this this new unique experience that that no one there's there's never been anything like it. It completely warps everything around it because it's so interesting and compelling.
One that it could come from like a human mind. And two, I feel like it resonates with people's souls and with their spirits, right because they're like subconsciously picking up on the archetypes, and they're picking up on these like universal truths that are being told within these stories, right, totally agree. Yeah, Like, if you if you approach Lovecraft's work. From like a rudimentary standpoint, it's like what, like, what are we talking about here?
And it's deep too. There's another layer to it because, like, you know, his main story, they call it Cuthulhu. Even within the story, which you know, we know that he at least the stories were inspired by his dreams. I'm sure he didn't dream every word, you know. Yeah, But like even in the story, there's these multiple perspectives going on different timelines that are happening. It's like in the past when they're doing
these rituals and worshiping these effigies of Cuthulhu. It's like this cult Louisiana. And then there's another timeline of a cop that's like investigating them, and then there's this other one of like this young guy who's like analyzing this professor's notes. It's like three different things all converging into one point, which was Cuthulhu
being summoned and rising from the sea. You know. But even in the story, like the initiates in the cult of Cthulhu and the people also involved were receiving mess just through dreams, you know, So like he's dreaming of the story, and then in his story they're dreaming of this deity, you know. So it's like the levels just get deeper and deeper, deeper.
It's it's very fascinating. But yeah, it's like he was incepting that into the story that like, these things are being revealed to him through dreams, through dreams, yep, and therefore the characters the same thing is happening with them. Yeah. Yeah, God, it's crazy. It is extremely groundbreaking,
wild stuff. Young talks about that a lot, how like they are messages from your unconscious, like dreams are messages from your unconscious, particularly animal symbols, because animals have existed as long, you know, as we've been
around at least, right, could be longer. I don't know. I mean, I'm not an expert here, but freaking it is a universally accepted symbol across pretty much every culture that animals have some significant meaning, and and a lot of times this signific eificant spiritual meaning comes from their behaviors observed in nature, like the hawk, you know, the Egyptians or even the Greeks, you know, they depicted Zeus as an eagle. Raw was a hawk.
It flies above everything else, you know, and they would intuit these meanings from the behaviors of the animal and where they lie in the food chain. But that carries over into our dreams. Oh yeah, you know. Yung was big on that, like the collective animal symbolism is universal. Oh yeah, And that took me a while to accept, but it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, you look at really any system of spirituality, even like exoteric Christianity, Like in every system, the lion of Judah.
Yeah, this is the lion is the king of the jungle. You know, it's absolutely most powerful animal they could conceive of from everything to ancient Aztec, Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Native American indigenous cultures. It's it's like a universal accepted thing in any spiritual system them that animals are are significant symbols, you know. And I find it so interesting that through young or young however
you pronounce it. Through his life, he started when he started like analyzing dreams and stuff, he started in a more from like a more skeptical lens or maybe like a just just a more grounded maybe we should say, like a more just strictly scientific lens. And as he progressed in his career, as he analyzed more and more and more and more dreams. You see in his works, in his writings, you see him begin to talk about the
soul and the spirit and the collective conscious shadow. The shadow, Yeah, just like the four layers of the archetype of mind or something like that. Is so he coined the term synchronicity. I didn't know that he coined the term. I knew he was like a pioneer in bringing that about, but I didn't know he coined. I don't know the he created the actual word, but I mean, for what it is today, he branded it that
through a dream. Yeah. And originally when he was like noticing these synchronicity things, he even originally viewed it as like a like a light form of psychosis. And then as he goes on and on, he realizes like, oh no, this is a spiritual thing. This is yeah, a message. By the end of his life, he was a deeply devout gnostic slash occultist, like he was all in on the spiritual angle. But it was
either he had the dream. It's been a long time since I've read this story, but I can't remember if it was him that had this specific dream or if it was a patient. But the dream was this golden beetle, like an Egyptian beetle, like you see Kepri You know, I don't know what you'd call that kind of beetle, but a scare a beetle. He dreams of this golden beetle, right, and the next day or shortly after, he's in a session with a client and he turned and he sees a
golden beetle on the window. So Jung is going crazy and he's like, Okay, there can't be a coincidence between this profound internal event that I'm experiencing and then in real life shortly after, I'm witnessing what was profound to me internally in the external world. This is this is a synchronicity, basically, is what he coined to that the connection of events that are external and internal
but they're not random. Yeah right, yeah, from a dream. Yeah, absolutely, he kind of He witnessed a lot of precognition in dreams, in some of his own dreams like that, and also in dreams that he observed of his patients. There's this one like crazy and it's kind of dark. Warning. He had a he had a patient that he had a session with and you know this is when he was like deep smack dab in the middle of his like dream analysis stretch where that's like all he was doing.
That was his like brand of therapy. Like that's how he was, you know, therapizing people, was analyzing their dreams. And this patient comes in and is telling him, I had this dream that I went on a hiking trip and I was hiking to the top of this beautiful mountain and I was with like friends and family and we were hiking up to the top and when I reached the summit, I continued climbing into the air. Oh but then he he fell from the mountain and before he hit the ground, he woke
up. That's a funny thing about dreams, like you never hit the ground. You know. There was like this wives table. True, I've had many of those dreams. Oh yeah, I'm falling and then I just never hit the ground. Yeah, there's this old wives tale that like if you hit the ground in your sleep, you'll die right in real life. Have you ever heard that? Yes? Yeah, yeah, usually like jolt awake and stuff. But the patient, you know, told him that dreaming whatever.
And at this point he had started like categorizing dreams and he he was studying precognition in dreams and even precognition in the form of warnings, and he took this as a warning. He took this as a warning, and he told the patient, I believe this is a warning. I believe that you need to stay away from like high elevations and like stay grounded for a while and whatever. Three months later, that guy died falling off of a mountain. No way, that dude didn't listen. It was right before his eyes.
Man, he dreamed it literally, and he's going to a mountain. Yeah. He literally told ume in that session like, well, I am planning on going on a big hike in a few months, and you was like, yeah, I would call that off. And the guy pretty much straight up told him like I think I'll be fine, oh man. And I mean that was tough for me because it's like, can you live your life because of a dream? Apparently not? Apparently not. I mean,
like you're gonna let it like dictate everything. Well, he died, alex respect Oh you know what else, This is even crazier. He fell on someone and killed them. Oh my god. It was so catastrophic. That's crazy, that's wild, so here's what I pull from it, Alex. It's a good point. Like, you know, are you just supposed to take every dream as a warning? Well no, even Yume would say, and he has said that, No, absolutely not. Like all dreams are
not warnings. You should not like morph your life around them. But the importance of getting to know your dreams and your dream state is that you will eventually get to a point where you can differentiate and you'll be able to tell like, Okay, this is a warning, this is a symbol. I believe that because you know, I pay attention to my dreams if I can remember them, and especially if there's animal symbolism. Like a week ago, I had a dream that I was laying in bed and I was tickling a
happy monkey, really was he was just he was giggling. And I looked it up, and you know, like I anytime I see an animal, oh, you know, an alligator's chilling next to me, Okay, I look it up. You know, a dog bit my arm last night in a dream, I'm assuming, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I looked it up, and it means someone betrayed you. Who betrayed you? I don't know, not me. It wasn't me either. No, I just thought it was interesting. We'll find out a bit by a dog. I
also got my dog because of a dream. Oh really yeah? Uh? Me and Olivia had been talking about getting a dog for weeks, kind of on and off. Whatever, what breed do you want to get? This? And that? And then I had this dream man where this old couple brought me a black dog like a puppy, a tiny little puppy, and said, this is yours, like, take care of it, and the
whole rest of the dream I had this black dog. And then I wake up the next morning and I'm sitting and I'm looking on my phone and the breeder that my buddy got his dog from had two black dogs left and they were on sale. And I'm sitting there. Olivia just came home and I said, look, what do you think? She said, let's do it? And I messaged her and there was only one left, and I said, I want that one. Wow, And it's the best dog I've ever had. I love your dog. Can I just say that she's a sweetie?
Can I just say that I really like? Don't tell her she was on sale? Well, I don't think she knows English. Bud, you'd be surprised. She knows a lot. Yeah, that's true. Dogs dog snow quite a bit. She knows a lot. She's a good girl. That's that's interesting. Do you did you like interpret that as direct like precognition or did you allow that dream to inform the doggy that you purchased. The dream got me thinking, and then the advertisement for the dog was complete.
Algorithm happened. Chance, Yeah, like synchronicity, if you will. And then the dream gave me the confidence to follow through. But had Olivia said no, wouldn't have done it. But it was literally like I'm sitting there, I said, what do you think look at the picture? She said, let's do it. Yeah, Like didn't even think about it for a second. I also had a dream about the motorcycle before I got it, really and dude, no, because I'm struggling with this thing, like my
whole family doesn't want me to get one. My mom obviously does not want me to have one. And I had a dream I'm riding one and someone in a convertible pulls up next to me and is like, dude, get it. You're gonna be fine. Man. He just drives away. Becose Yeah, and I'd wake up and I'm like, man, the guy drives up, He's like, get a hold. But like I had a lot of nightmares as a kid. Really me too, man, Yeah, a lot of abduction nightmares. Really like I was abducted multiple times, three four,
five times inducted by human noise. Yeah, man, yeah in a van and I'm locked in a car and I can't get out. Oh I had different abduction dreams. Oh no, I'm talking like child. Yeah, like child abduction dreams had a lot then growing up, had a lot of high school dreams. And now my bad dreams aren't like nightmares. They're like I wake up angry or like stressed out, Like they're like all psychological.
Like the other night, I had a dream like I was getting my brother was driving me to the point where I wanted to physically beat him up,
which is strange because we have a better relationship than ever. And I wake up so confused because I'm like, man, I just spent like the last two hours like hating you, Like this is so weird, you know, And I don't know a lot of them are just so psychological, Like I just get so stirred up and I have to like wake up and then like I try to talk him out with Olivia and so that I can go back to sleep. But yeah, no, not like shockingly bad like wake up
screaming, just like frustrating dreams. So strange. It's probably telling you something. I mean, you know, maybe there's something that you're like holding back and not saying to him, or maybe there's some kind of unsettled thing within you towards him, or I don't know. I feel like we've been doing pretty good, like better than ever. I mean, he's living with me right now. Yeah, big thing, he's in my space. Honestly, he's been great. I barely see him. He goes to places pool all
day, goes to the pool hall. He's a pool shark, phenomenally phenomenal at pool, puts the hours in, comes home, watches it on YouTube. Really yeah, and then like I'm in bed when he comes home, and then I wake up, he's still asleep. I leave for work, he leaves at some point and then he comes back like late at night, like I've never seen him. Wow. So it's like it's not that's why, yeah, you want to see him more, That's why you're frustrated with him in your dreams. Maybe it could be. It could be. I
mean I don't feel that way. I feel like, you know, I feel like, now that he lives here, I'm like, oh, I've got time. You know, I'm not. I'm not stressed out about spending time with Year. I thought the same thing when he came to boot Camp of Fun and it was over in a flash. It really was like, like, no time. I love how boot Camp of Fun turned into like a rude awakening that you're adults. I mean that's an exaggeration. You know, we still had fun. It's just we had fun, cooking dinner,
no show, no exactly. I just love the expectation that it's like two week land party straight right. Yeah, and now it's like, okay, we have jobs, Like are we going to walk down? No, here's the reality. Jenny lives here too, and it would have been pretty whack if for two weeks we just blew her off and left her to her own yeah devices, and we just you know, I mean, we did fun, all hanging out together, the three of us. Yeah, that's really what it was. But Jenny don't be gaming like this, So we were
gonna get her on the land. Yeah. Yeah, I've been trying to get her a game. Bro. But Bro, I don't know. I just find it so fascinating that, like, how far back like the study of dream like, you know, the whole concept of like oracles and witch doctors and like that kind of stuff, it all came from people having prophetic dreams. Yeah, I mean, dreams are like pretty much every ancient religion or spiritual culture. I guess you could say, ever hold some high regard
towards dreams, like you know, the entire cosmology of the Hindu. Let me just read it to you. Yeah, it's very fascinating and I think it's very important, and I think it's true. I got a question when you're done reading, Well, why don't you go ahead and ask it? Now? I'm anticipating it. Well, do y'all ever ask for dreams I have before? I have not. I haven't. No, I've always just kind of just let my I mean, like I said, I had a
couple of stints where I tried to influence my dreams. It didn't really turn out super well. I just always kind of let them happen. But I have had as many times as I've had sleep paralysis. I've also had like precognitive dreams, like a dream where sometime in the future I will realize, oh my god, I dreamt this exact scenario. I had one recently, really like just a few weeks ago, and it actually came true within a matter of days. Yeah, So I'll keep it vague for the sake of
who I'm going to talk about. But there's this cousin of mine who he's just a older than me, and we didn't really hang out much or anything. I mean, he's like probably twenty years older than me, and I have not had the chance other than like family holidays and gatherings and get togethers and things like that, like that's when we get together. And I just had a vivid dream that we were hanging out, and it was a really vivid dream. Like I woke up thinking like that was really random, and
I kid you not. Like two days later, he called me on the phone. He hasn't called me since I thought about it. I racked my brain. When was the last time he called me? Twenty twelve? Wow, and two nights before I never dream about him. I was complete. I felt it, I guess two days in advance and I was shook by that. That was like last month. That yeah, that's it's so it's so abstract because you know, in our like meat bodies, we think about
time as completely linear, and spiritually we know that it's not. And even like even not pseudoscience but whatever, I don't quantum mechanics and stuff like that suggests that it's absolutely not. Like time is not linear. It's it's more
like a ball or a sphere or something. And like you can your soul can pick up on things in the future, in the past, like past lives dreams, Like that's another thing that has been recorded throughout antiquity, you know, like people having dreams of their past lives and then something strange and they're waking life kind of corroborates it, you know. But yeah, no, the precognitive dream thing is it's it's a shock to the system when it
happens, right. I just remembered one what I just remembered one where I was, you know, I had a dream, was in a waiting room with two of my deceased relatives and they told me that I had answer mmm, And then I've woke up freaking out, calling Ryan, like I don't know what to do. We've talked about that on it, Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, And I'm like, so that's where I'm like, you know, I haven't gotten checked out. I don't know. I feel fine. I don't think I have cancer. But it was just like,
clear as day, this is what's going on with you. And I was like, holy crap, No, I'm pretty sure you don't have cancer. Man. I had a dream that I fought the Red Power Ranger one time. I mean different dreams, but yeah, no, And I'm just like, it's interesting. Well, let's let's hear what our Hindu friends over in India have to say about the creation and origin of the entire universe. So Brahma. Brahma is the creator and great magician who dreams the universe into
being. The dream itself is maintained by Vishnu, the preserver, who uses Maya, or the veil of illusion between worlds veil Amaya right uses maya to it's been the complex web that we know as reality. It is not that the world is itself an illusion, but only our perception of it. While Brahma creates the universe, Vishnu is the source of all creation and he also sustains and protects the universe, making his role a lot more complex than that
of Brahmas. Vishnu is the all pervading one derived from vis in Sanskrit, which means to spread and to be present everywhere. Even when there was nothing, there was Vishnu present as a nameless, formless, dormant energy. In this unmanifested state, even Vishnu was not aware of his own being. He just was. But just because he was not perceived does not mean he did
not exist. And this nothingness, when the first ripple of awareness stirred spontaneously and of its own will, the formless energy became Vishnu, the supreme being parab Brahman para Brahman as para Brahma. Vishnu lies in a dream like state on the serpent Adi Sessha Ananta, who is time without beginning or end, kind of like the Boris and nor Smith. Ananta floats for all eternity on
the waters of the kasher Cigar, the ocean of cosmic consciousness. When Brahma begins the process of creation, it is Vishnu who expands into everything and becomes part of everything. Now he is Brahm on the cosmic consciousness as if he is seeing a dream. Vishnu watches Brahma create the universe. By the act of watching his dream, Vishnu sustains the universe. When Vishnu wakes from his dream, one cycle of creation ends. So the idea here, and keep
in mind, Hinduism is the oldest recorded religion. I'm not counting Shamanism. I'm not counting you know, mystical wisdom traditions. I'm talking religion. Yeah, yeah, Hinduism is over five thousand years old. It predates most religions we've ever heard of, you know. And back then, even before the rig Vedas and the Upanashad and the Baga bad Ghita and all of these text of theirs were ever written down on paper or stone, they were orally transmitting
this message through the ages. It's just a big freaking dream, man. We're all in the dream of God. It's an illusion. It's all a dream, bro, And the real reality is in the mind of God. You know, crazy stuff. Yeah, life is but a dream. Yeah, literally, I love that. Like looking back on that, like nursery rhyme song or whatever, like with through this lens, it's like one of the most deep mystical things that I've ever heard in my life, like flow
down the river. Life is but a dream, Like that's the kind of the message of it. You guys know, Joseph Campbell The Hero's Journey, Oh yeah, a lot of like Star Wars was based on his work, and Joseph Campbell basically wrote these incredible books. I have not read them myself, but I've a lot of the material in his books is the same material that's just like you know, esotericism. Yeah right, but he's kind of he's kind of putting out in a knowledge that's a little more plain and easy
to understand. But I thought this quote was really cool from Joseph Campbell. Brahma sits on a lotus, the symbol of divine energy and grace. The lotus grows from the navel of Vishnu, who is the sleeping god whose dream is the universe. Brahma opens his eyes and a world comes into being. Brahma closes his eyes and a world goes out of being. Mm. So again, it's just it's it's the concept that this supreme mind or intellect is dreaming, dreaming us us. Yes, now think about it. If you
have a dream. Right, I'm not talking about God or Brama. I'm talking about us. You have a dream at night, right. Isn't every part of your dream some archetypal representation of a part of your psyche? Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it comes from the same mind that experiences your waking life. So couldn't the same thing be said hypothetic if we really were the dream of God or Brahma, the supreme being, wouldn't that make us
equal parts of that one mind? Right? At the mystical truth? We all have that divine spark, right, We're all We're all in the same we're experiencing the same dream. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Jung talks about a dream that he had where he was like wandering through a forest at night and he like happened upon this man, and he as he got closer and closer, he realized that the man was him. And when he awoke, he realized that basically if that man was the one that woke up,
that he would have been the one that he was dreaming about. Like he realized that, like that man in that dream, realm is just as real as he is, right, and it's just a different perspective What was that movie we just watched with Nicholas Cage, the one with the dream I can't remember the title dream Sequence or dream Scenario, dream Scenario. That movie was
awesome. That movie was hilarious and it was really good. And yeah, that that just comes to mind because everybody was dreaming of this one guy, you know, and he started I don't think he dreamed of himself, but high that reminded me of that. Highly recommend that movie. It is funny, it's unnerving, it's weird, it's it's one of a kind, gripping, Yeah, for sure, one of a kind. Yeah, very good movie. If you want to get all kind of like deep down a rabbit
hole on a movie about dreams, that's a good one. Yeah. I've got an idea. What your idea. I think we should all go home tonight and make an effort to try and like ask for dreams about each other and see if we show up in each other's dreams tonight. Let's all try to go to the same place in our dreams tonight and hang out. Okay, and maybe we could like let's do it here. Maybe we could record an episode of the podcast from What Dream Podcast Studio, Dream tonight, episode
one in the Dream Realm. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool, man. Last thing I wanted to talk about personally was the significance of the blue lotus flower in ancient Egypt. So you guys know the blue lotus flower. We've all tried it in tea. We talked together on an episode before. I think, yeah, but this is the dream episode. Yeah, I'm not trying to get with it. Don't try to silence me. Man, you're oppressive, dude. You're giving him sleep brouses right now. Dude, you're
you're an oppressive spirit to him. Get off his chest. Malevolent specter, begone, begone. If y'all want to see sleep browses, demon, I'll give you sleep brows I'm sure you will. He got a demon dog in him, that hell hound. Okay, okay, anyway, what were you
saying right? Oh? Yeah, an ancient Egypt, there was this sacred flower known as the blue lotus or it's like nim fay circula or something like that, and it's this plant that it is a type of lotus, and it was revered as a sacred symbol of raw or the sun because it has this these blue petals and then it has this kind of like golden center,
and every night it grows in water. It grows by the nile actually like on the nile, and every night it closes and it submerges under the water like kind of like how a flower grows in mud, you know, and then every day it comes out of the water and it blooms again. So it's symbolic of the blue sky around the sun. Right. So it was a very sacred plant. And it has psychoactive properties, not like you know, cannabis or psilocybin or something else that'll make you, you know, freaking
ripped. But it doesn't do all that, you know, it can stimulate lucid dreams. So actually, in Egyptian rituals, they would ingest the blue lotus flower, they would make it into a tea or a wine. Maybe they would smoke it if they figured that out, I'm not sure. And they would do these rituals where they would try to induce lucid dreams to speak to the gods, because in ancient Egypt ancient Greece, like you mentioned earlier, dreams were believed to be a form of oracle where they could commune with
the higher forces in the spirit world. So I just thought that was very cool. You can buy a blue Lotus online. I'm pretty sure it's just completely legal to buy. You just order it and if you're gonna make tea, make your tea strong, and if you're gonna decant it and wine, do that for like twenty four hours or more. Yeah, you got to use quite a lot of it. I've I've had Blue Lotus tea two or
three times now, and I didn't feel anything. Yes, I felt a slight euphoric, like I remember feeling very like what I can describe it, like what I can kind of compare it to is like having like a buzz, like two drinks, where you feel like it's easier to talk to people, You're a little more relaxed, that kind of thing. I didn't feel any of that. I had that and then kind of drifted into sleep, but it did not have like the sleep effects that I was kind of going
for. I would be curious to buy some Blue Lotus and just make the most powerful tea that I could fathom and just drink it and try to loose a dream and really do that. We did, but I don't I don't know if we did. That was that what we did that one time with Yeah Gottas. It tasted like a burnt tire. It it was disgusting, it was brid I'm really interested in the wine decanting thing me too, dude.
That would be just ground up a bunch of that might make it stronger and they might let the wine sit in the flower for a long period of time. And that's what we'll try next time. It's a very sacred plant. And I want to stress out there, like if you're there's no reason to be like concerned. It's very safe. It doesn't make you hot. It just it can give you lucid dreaming and it can give you like a different mood, you know, like it's it's not gonna it's totally fine.
Like if you're curious about trying it, just do it. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I would put it like in a scale of things, I would put it like below and kava in terms of even below. Do not get your your hopes up here, Like don't no, It's like literally the only reason you should try it is to try to lose a dream. Like it doesn't really do anything else. I think it was also used as an as afrodisiac and sexual rituals in Egypt. I could totally believe that,
of course. And the other thing is like at you know, pharaohs, kings and queens and people like that would be apparently it has a really good smell. I mean I've only ever smelled it dried out of a bag. I don't remember it smelling good. But they would make like perfumes out of it, and it would It was very popular and like the Egyptian elite to have it around and they would drink wine at parties and you know that it's just cool, you know. On the subject to dreams as an afrodisiac,
right, I cannot confirm. I don't know you're the Roman. Yeah, that's right. I'm gonna go with yes, all right, but you heard it here, folks. According to Alex, wine is officially an aphrodisiac. So I'm also thinking maybe the nightmares as a child, where because I was going to bed full that came full circle. Man. All right, y'all, Sweet dreams, sweet dreams, bod night, guys. Weird things happened
in the backyard of Bletsoe house. You ship look up. It was so weird coming closer to my heart straight up like smiring on the inside of it. No one knows. Man, it's come right. Over go shading, happy happ