136: Norse Mythology

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God of War got your boat? I was gonna say, is that is that where that comes from? Yeah? What really is that? Where what comes from? No? No, no, no, no no, no, no no no. I was singing the thing from God of War Ragnarok, which, by the way, that's I don't know. Like, obviously y'all can see if you can see my tattoo, my favorite game is Kingdom Hearts. But when that got a war game came out in twenty eighteen, bro, it challenged everything I thought I knew about video games. That that

that game. That game put me in a different headspace. I've been thinking different after after that. It's got me thinking different. Did it go a Game of the Year? It did? Yes? Uh, it won Game of the Year. And I don't remember if the second one one game of the year. No, No, because it came out the same year as elden Ring. I think yea, which is like it was out of all hale, all hale. Yeah, first one was definitely game of the year. Yeah, and like you can't beat elden Ring. That game is unbeatable.

But I mean they're they're potentially in terms of every aspect of a game. The twenty eighteen God of War and then God of War Ragnarok are like they're right next to Kingdom Hearts for my favorite game of all time. The thing that's so awesome about God of War as a series is that it's so deeply entwined with mythology. Uh. And I know this is a little tangent, but we are talking about Norse mythology today. Uh. The the original

God of War games are Greek mythology. It's about like a Spartan named Crados. It's you know, he gets betrayed by the god Aris and he like basically kills the entire Greek pantheon to get revenge because aries, dude, this is crazy. Alex. You probably, I guess you probably don't know this Ari, god of War, tricks Credos into killing his own wife and daughter, and that's like kind of how the plot of the original games start.

And then the rest of the original games are just you playing as Credos brutally murdering the entire Greek pantheon of gods to get revenge. It's sick. It is so good. I remember when the first one came out in two thousand and five, I was like twelve and played it on the PS two and it was just like, oh my god, Like, first of all, twelve year old shiit be playing that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. But yeah, it was definitely like a life changing, like you

know, it's just an amazing experience. And then you know what it became over time into the North stuff. Yeah, that's another cool thing. Like I learned a lot about Greek mythology from playing those original games. Yep.

And then basically the original trilogy ends with you obviously murder your father Zeus, and then the world floods and all this stuff happens, and next thing you know, it was like, I don't know, probably ten or twelve years later they made the next game, Boom Crados pops up in the Norse. He's like in Scandinavia and so it's the Norse pantheon and he's just trying to like stay reclusive. I like how this is turning into a God of War

episode. There was a couple of other Norse pop culture things that I wanted to talk about. Yeah, yeah, but then, yeah, you play through that game and it teaches you a ton about Norse mythology as well. There were plenty of things that I learned that I didn't know before, like Balder. Like about Balder, I didn't know that, Like Ragnarok starts because Balder is killed, I didn't. I didn't know that We're gonna go in to make sense. That's like the plot of the game, exactly what you

killed Balder in the that's the first one, and then Boom starts. The next game is Ragnarok. Yeah, yeah, I love that. When you kill Balder in the first game, immediately the first thing that happens is a snowflake hits his cheek immediately, like as soon as you land the killing blow, you see a snowflake and it falls on it's fimble winter. Its deep, Yeah, it is, it's so deep. Okay. So Norse mythology, Norse mythology is we were talking about it earlier. It's it's unique.

It's it's particularly unique when it comes to mythology. It was like pretty much written by like one guy for the most partology. Well, the eddas like the you know, so let's let's start with a little bit of the early history, which I think you have some history stuff, not really history,

more so like mythological. So check it out. The Norse mythology. The the roots of it come from this like dual document, this book containing to it was like a book containing two books known as the Edda or the Eta, the two books or the medieval Icelandic literary works. They're the poetic or sorry, yeah, the poetic Eta and the pros Da, which this is really interesting ida like etymologically it's it could mean either poetic art, but it

also equally translates to great grandmother. What that's weird. Yeah, it's just like a weird little tidbit, but the Ida was written by an Icelandic scholar and historian Snorri Sterlison around the year twelve twenty. Did you say snory, Yeah, man, I guarantee you he was saw on logs, just saw on logs. He was saw on logs. He was probably like rolling offs rooms or like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, because they have all those Icelandic stories. Uh what's that? Uh Laplin? Yeah, yeah,

they had them. They definitely had that. He was probably popping them and stawing some logs. He was snoring some Starlason's. Wait a minute, is this the same region and mushroom where the Christmas originated? I mean yeah, that that's lap Laplin Finland, Right, it's all Scandinavia. I don't know. I feel like I remember the the shamanistic Santa Claus. My sister's been to the real place, Laplin. We're all just like dumb Americans. It

is it is. It's in Scandinavia. Don't don't pigeonhole me there. You're just mad because I'm thinking different. I'm seeing things different now. Really, it sounds like Snorri Sterlinson was definitely seeing things different. But yeah, it's uh, the survives in four known manuscripts and three fragments. You know, this stuff is so old. They find it and they piece it together and

they translate it ancient. Yeah, it's super agent. And then so they wrote everything down that they collected again around the year thirteen hundred, so it was like found collected around one hundred years after that. So basically, unlike a lot of other mythology, this is like someone who claimed to be kind of downloading this information from the realm of Valhalla, which is like they're sort of like they're heaven. You know, in Norse mythology, there are different

there are multiple different afterlifs, which we see in other mythologies. We see that in Greek mythology. You know, it's not just like heaven Hell. It's there's multiple, right, but kind of the like the ultimate afterlife, if you will, in Norse mythology is Valhalla. Right, it's like the hall where you celebrate with the gods for all eternity. Right. Yeah, yeah, it died in battle exactly. You only according to this like it

wasn't even really a religion among amongst the vikings. It was like it's like low key. It was more culty. Yeah, they didn't even view it as a religion, Like it was so deep that it was just a part of their lives. It wasn't something they had to try to do or commit to or whatever. If you were like born in this time and born into one of these Viking tribes or whatever, it was just that's just what you did. You you you wanted to die in battle so that you would pass

on to Valhalla. It's messed up because they believe like the only way to get the valhalla is literally dying in battle. And like if you died of like being sick or being elderly, you didn't go to Valhalla. No, no, no, only in battle. It was considered like like dishonorable.

Yeah, like the most shame if you don't die in battle. To the point to where like if people were elderly or they were sick, it was very common for them to be like they would even go to some of their friends or some of like the the able warriors of the tribe and be like fight me, kill me, like like, let's I want to die in battle, so like I want a chance to go to Valhalla and be with my my forefathers. That's so cool, and that's pretty I think it really,

I mean it, it is pretty cool. I mean it's valiant, you know, it's it's dope. But one of the things about Valhalla, which because you hear that, you're like, okay, so why is that the ultimate heaven if it's just like you die in battle you get to go to a big hall with all your forefathers. Well, this is a very interesting thing about Norse mythology which connects to Christianity, which is that there is, uh, there is a thing in Norse mythology known as Eden's orchard.

Okay, like the golden apple, Yes, Ethan is like how it's from Ethan's apple, Ethan's orchard, Ethen's tree. Uh. So very similarly to Christian like doctrine, whatever you want to call it the Christian religion. Eden is the goddess of youth, She's the wife of Braggy, She's the goddess of or no Broggi is the god of poetry. Eden guards the golden apples in Eden's orchard. These apples were said to give eternal youth and vigor to

the gods. So, according to Norse mythology, the reason that these gods were so powerful and immortal was because of these golden apples that came from Eden's orchard. That's similar to Greek mythology the golden blood ecor the apples. Yes, yes, absolutely, yeah, I mean this is something that I wanted to touch on a little bit up front, is like, why are we talking about mythology? Right? Yeah, why is it important to talk about

mythology? Well, one of the things that we do on this show, and a lot of like like theosophy for instance, that's that's another thing that you look at the intersection, You look at the things that different religions or mythologies or whatever have in common. And yeah, I mean you'll find so many similarities that Norse myth has similarities to pretty much every other major religion. Like we're going to talk about some similarities to Hinduism. It reminds me of

oh, in what way thee the tree of life? But all the realms are connected by this tree, and ye travel through the tree to reach the other dimensions. But it's metaphorical. Yeah, it's like there's always some trees. Yeah, there's always trees. Yeah, the Tree of Knowledge in the in the Bible, yeah, in the Garden of Eden and the Fruit from the t It's so we're jumping, like if you jump to uh. In Norse mythology, there is a at the end, there's a prophecy that at

the end of time there is this cataclysmic apocalypse event known as Ragnarok. Right, It's like where everything is destroyed and blah blah blah, and that's all you really know. If you don't look deep into this stuff, you're just like, oh, everything is just blown up and everything's destroyed. Well, that's not really the end of it. It's more mystical than that. Ragnarok

isn't the end. It's a beginning of a new realm, which is like Hindu cosmology, where you have the Yugas cycles spanning many thousands of years, and it's these eternal cycles of the universe creating and then destroying itself and then creating again, like the dance, the eternal Dance of Shiva, Creator and the Destroyer exactly. And it's low key like some low key it's it's low key like some as above so below reincarnation type shit. It's like if we

reincarnate on this little level, then on all the higher levels. Uh, there's reincarnation as well. But the reason I bring all this up right now is in relation to Eden's Orchard. Eden's orchard is thought to be, according to these prophecies and such, one of the only things that survives Ragnarok. Oh wow. And it's also thought now this is these things like post Ragnarok type things. These are the things that are like pieced together by historians like

deep reading the different texts and corroborating this exactly. Like you won't just pick up the Eata and see this. It's like you look at other works by Snorri Sturluson. You piece together things from like a real accounts of Scandinavia at the time, whatever has survived through history. They believe that certain gods will

survive. I'll talk about that and at length later, but that Eden's tree in Eden's Orchard would also survive, and that like whoever were the survivors among the gods, among the valkyrie, among all these different orders of these deities, they would go there and start anew that they would start from Eden's Orchard, and they would start a new Wow. Which is like kind of crazy because there's this I don't know if you've I don't know if you've heard about

this. We're gonna talk a little bit about it today. But there's this like there are theory swirling around that the Bible is post apocalyptic Norse mythology. Wait a minute, so are you are you suggesting that? Like maybe let me wrap my brain around. So you're saying that the Bible is like the

next cycle or what do you say? There are a lot of people that like have pieced together some compelling theories that, yeah, that that that could that that could be like there was a cycle before it's an older way and that essentially the cycle prior to the Bible was Norse mythology. Interesting, So get this, Well, I guess we'll go ahead and get into that specific weirdness because it's weird. I've never heard that. Yeah, Okay, let's

let's just let's just start there. I wasn't gonna start there because it is pretty like fringe and out there. I like fringe. Let's let's just start there, all right? So, uh, the Christianity angle. I went a little deep on this and shout out to this guy on TikTok he's awesome, Ragnarok Johnson. Yeah, he he like does a lot of these where he compiles uh this stuff and like it's very it's very interesting and it's good content. All Right, we talked about we mentioned Balder, Balder among the

the Norse pantheon of gods, Balder was the god of light. Balder was known as like this, he was like this, like he was he was like innocent. He wasn't he wasn't like a great warrior. He wasn't you know, he wasn't jealous like many of the gods. He didn't really want very many things. He was just he was just like a peaceful god of

light. He's in fact, he is known as the most innocent and peaceful god amongst the acer, which the Acier are the highest rank of gods amongst the It's like odin thor Loki. And then you had the van Air gods, which were like the older gods I guess like Freya, Yeah, the van Ear. Then you have the Jotnar, which would be equivalent to like

the Titans of Greek mythology, the giants. The giants exactly, they're like they're they're definitely god like like that, you know, but that they're not they're not considered like they're not out on the level of the ace here. So as a part of Ragnarok, it's prophesied that Balder will be killed and as a result, Ragnarok will begin to unfold. That's the whole like crux

of Ragnarok, Balder has to die. Also included in the prophecy is that all of the gods will be killed, the realms will die and be born anew as one peaceful realm, and that Balder will be resurrected as the one true god of gods and would bring forth wait, would bring forth a single man and woman named Ash and Elm like trees because it's believable Ash. Yeah. But also they believe the Igrasill was an ash tree, right, and they would be reborn to lead the world, the new world in peace.

Wow, let's unpack that a little bit. I think it's also important to note exactly like how popular Norse mythology has breached into pop culture, Like you know, it's it started with Lord of the Rings, Lord of the Like. I had to take this class in college. It was called Lewis and Tolkien Religious Themes of Lewis and Tolkien, and we had to read like the

Narnia books. Some you know, watch documentaries about Tolkien and when you get into his earlier writings, he was sure like he was a Catholic, and a lot of the themes were based on Catholicism, but all the lore and the creatures in the mythology was all based on Norse myth you know, I know I just changed the subject there, but I wanted to put that into people's minds. You bring Lord of the Rings. Yeah, like Lord of

the Rings. Aside from like the Catholic Christian themes, all the lore, the elves, the dragons, that all this stuff, the dwarves, that's Norse Smith. It's all from Norse Smith. Yeah, and then you have stuff today, you know, Thor Ragnarok's God like, it's it's becoming mainstream now, even Dude Vikings, the show Vikings such a six show by the way that yeh is And I wanted to use this as an opportunity to say

that. In our Discord Server, we have been it's pretty much near the end now we're going to do a season two, but we've been playing Valheim, which is you know, a video game based about like North Smith. Then it's very cool. But yeah, I wanted to talk about the pop culture angle there, like it's, oh yeah, it's everywhere, it's everywhere. It's it's become synonymous, like and I don't I don't think it was

necessarily always like that. Like I feel like Greek mythology is kind of like the one that most people know, right, and so it's kind of the one that you see the most and you see the inspiration from the most. But I mean, yeah, but prior to recent years, it was like you have Lord of the Rings, which came out in the nineteen forties, the Hobbit did, and then the sixth these was the Lord of the Rings. Uh, and then like in the eighties you had four the comic.

Yeah, that was it. But then for some reason in the past like ten or twenty years, there's all kinds of other stuff coming out about it's all like Norse mythology. This is an explosion of norsemith. I think it's just as important. I mean, I think I think all all myth systems, all mythologies are kind of on equal footing, and they're interesting, they're worth exploring, they're worth dissecting and talking about. Yeah, back to what

you were saying, though, that's completely wild. I didn't know that. I knew that, like the Ragnarok myth was more of a metaphor of like the great cosmic scale of the universe being on a cycle of death and rebirth. Like for example, one of my favorite symbols in all of norths myth the Ora Boris. Uh, there's this there's I don't know, is he a jotan or what is your Yeah, so there's this. There's this god

like being a giant Yorman gander who is known as the world serpent. And if you've ever seen the symbol of people are like, oh, it's an evil symbol. No, it's not. It has a meaning. It's the serpent going all the way around the world and eating its tail. I think that's on the the the Kansas album. Oh yeah, pretty sure, it's on a Kansas album. It's either Kansas or Boston. I always I think it's Kansas. Boston's the UFOs. Yeah, but anyway, it's a very

popular esoteric symbol. It's the Ora Boris, and it represents the belief that the world serpent Yorman Gander, was wrapped all the way around the world and he would eat his tail. But it's metaphorical. It's about the continual cycle of death and rebirth, even of the very cosmos, you know, which is what Ragnarrock symbolizes. But I didn't know it goes so far as to say like the creation of of of a new it's like Garden of Eden.

Oh yeah, it's like Adam and Eve. Yeah, it makes you wonder like did they did did did they copy some of that from the North Smith? It's pretty weird. It's it's pretty weird how that. And there's other there's other stuff too, but actually you're but it also makes me wonder because they they weren't like back when the Old Testament was being formed, I doubt that they were even near Scandinavia. What it really makes me wonder, is

this a common theme that's been transmitted to mankind? That's what I think it is across different cultures. Yeah, because if you look at the timeline at you know, this, this Ida, this stuff wasn't written down until the twelve hundreds, which, like you know, we would have already had the Old Testament that you know, we would have already had some would have had

the whole Catholic Empire, right exactly. Yeah, it would be near its fall in fact, like just a couple hundred years from the fall of Rome and like the big Catholic empire and ship. But yeah, interesting enough. There there are a lot of like those that cyclical symbolism in Norse mythology, like the skull and Hati, Yeah, skull and Hati, the wolves that chase the sun and moon, like they're on that constant cycle of sun and

moon. And like there's there's so many Yorman Gander Magni mody the there's like there's very many. There's a lot of duality symbolism, and then there's a lot of that like cyclical thing. And see, I never knew that there was like post Ragnarok stuff, right, I didn't either. I thought it was just like, oh, Ragnarock happens, and then it starts over again. I didn't even know it starts over again. I was just like, I just thought Ragnarok happens, boom, that's the end of the North Norse

pantheon. I didn't know anything about it starts over again. And that's why there's this weird there's these weird like time dilations in Norse mythology. There's there's this strange stuff about, like, you know, it's prophesied that like four will fight Yorman Gander in the end. And but then also it's like after their fight, he's like sent back into you good, Alex. He's like sent back in time. There's like weird time travel stuff. And yeah,

it's it gets kind of wild. But I don't know. I always just thought that like Ragnarok was the end of it. Well, here's my notes on Ragnarok. I thought this was cool. Yeah, like the Christian Apocalypse, Ragnarok sets out a series of events, a series of signs that will ultimately define the end of times. The first sign is the fimble Vetta or the Fimble Winter, which is the final long, continuous cold winter with constant snow that lasts a year. It's the sign. Then a red rooster called

Fhallar will warn the giants that Ragnarok has begun. A second rooster will warn all the dead that Ragnarok has begun. Finally, a third red rooster called Golden Khambi, a rooster that lives in Valhalla, a majestic hall located in Asgard. Like we talked about, Asgard is the realm where the gods like odin Thor. It's like Olympus. Yeah, it's just like Olympus. The located n Asgard will warn all the gods about the beginning of the end. The god Heimdallar, who's one of my diamond gods, and Smite. I

love playing him and Smite. The god heim Dollar will use his trumpet to play a specific tone. Oh, his trumpet is the gyaller horn, big horn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. He plays a specific tone that will be heard in Valhalla, and this will bring back the dead to life, and they will march to the realm called Vigrid, a place of battles, where the final battle will take place. The seas will be

torn apart in the world. Serpent Yorman Gander, a serpent so large that it surrounds the earth and grasps its own tail, will raise itself from the depths of the oceans to join the battle. The gods Balder and Hod will also return from the dead to fight in this final battle. The god Loki was the son of a giant and was known as a trickster god with the ability to shape shift. His role in the myth is unique and controversial, since he appears to both help the gods and hinder them. It's kind of

like the duality there. He's good and he's evil. It's kind of interesting. There's a lot of that in Norse mythology. Yeah, it's cosmic duality. It's all metaphors for the cosmos, which was the same with the Greeks. Loki fathered many offspring, including an eight legged horse named Slipe Near used by Odin, a dragon, and the wolf fen Rear, who plays a

significant role in Ragnarok. According to the story, Loki tricks the blind god of winter Hode, and action that results in the death of the god Boulder, son of goddess Frigg and Odin. Frigg is also Freya. Also in witchcraft, Friday is known as the witch's Sabbath or also known as the Day of frig It's like a day because she was like this goddess of magic and Freya. Actually, you know, it's cool about Fray A little side note,

The word Freya literally translates into the lady. She's like this shining queen. She's married to Odin. She's like the goddess, the queen of the valkyrie. Interesting little connection there, but an action that results in the death of the god Balder, son of Frigg and Odin. Because of this, he was punished and cast into a cliff, where he was to remain bound

into a rock until Ragnarok, the end of the world. This bears similarities to the punishment of promethea an ancient Greek myth who was bound to a rock for giving fire to humanity. Lord right, that's what is it? Prometheus or Proteus? Prometheus? Prometheus? Yeah, Proteus was the one I think who was out on the rock and the sea had prophecy yep. Yeah, But we talked about Proteus and Prometheus and our Lighthouse episodes. Hip. That's

what that movie is all. That was a good episode. So Loki in his hoard with the Frost Giants will sell to Vigorate in the final battle against the Acer on a ship made out of the nails of dead men that's Gros like a ghost ship. All monsters and giants like the flame giant Searter, Hell's dog Calm good name there, the wolf fen Rear Fenris, and the leader of the giants, Hrim, will create a powerful army against the gods.

The result of the war is that Thornon Odin and most of the gods will die, and the dragons will release fire that will destroy all life on Earth. But this is not the end. Things start again with a new race. A new world arises from the depths of the sea. The first two mortals would be called Lift and Lyft, thrust Heer, Woman and Man,

and they will repopulate Earth. The god's Volley and v Are as well as the sons of Thor and Nir will survive the battle, go to Edival, which will not be destroyed in Ragnarok, and then the gods Balder and Hoder will be returned and a new era will begin. See. That's another thing that I saw, is like there were some areas where names don't match up, because I saw like the leaf and leaf near thing, and then I saw ash and Elm, and then like some of the name it's the

same thing. It's all the same thing. Yeah, it all means the same thing. But yeah, that's essentially the story of Ragnarok. It's it's I always just thought it ended there. I always thought it was just the cataclysm event that ends the the Norse myth. But well, it's like the Book of Revelations, there's this final battle where Jesus rides in on the cloud and the angels are blowing trumpets just like kimed all blowing trumpets for the gods

of but Jesus rides in. I do like this version better. He wins, he beats the evil, he kills all the demonic whatever, and then it says that there's peace on earth for a thousand years until one more final judgment and then it's peace forever. Yeah, you know. Yeah, And then you have the hinduk hosmology, same thing, the Yuga cycles. The universe is destroyed by Shiva's dance and then it's built a new Yeah. So it's like, it's like, where do we draw the line between mythology and

religion, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, we're talking about all the same stuff here in Greek mythology, in Norse mythology, but then also in Hinduism, Christianity. It's like, it's all the same symbolism. Why is there a line drawn that says this is mythology, this is religion. Well, because the Catholics marked the world and they're like, we're going to burn you alive exactly. They went on a huge spree which by the way.

I loved the History of the Bible episode that we did because it it very much highlighted that for me, and like, yeah, I mean I think that is the answer. It's the Catholics. And also this, I don't think that the Vikings, for example, were very much interested in making converts to their religion. I think they were more interested in pill and destroying their enemies, yes, and ritualistically sacrificing them to the I don't think they were

trying to convert. I think they were trying to destroy. That's you know, there's a big difference in the way these systems they went on. The Vikings went on massive Christian killings freeze. They would show up to an island full of Catholics or Christians or they didn't care what religion you were, if you didn't believe in they were on site. Yeah, they were literally just

straight. And then you had the Catholics that are like, no, no, no, you got to confess this prayer or you're gonna your your soul is going to burn in the after place. There will do this, or we're gonna burn you now. Yeah, there was no and send you to the after place. There was no exchange of words with the Vikings. It was like they would burn the boats. Literally they would pull up to your to your island, they would or they'd pull up to your land on their

boats and burn the boats because they had no intention of going back. They had one intention. It was to go in and kill everybody in the name of the Norse gods and like if they die, great, yeah, heaven, that's what they want. It'sstic. It is very sadistic. Oh you know another pop culture when we didn't mention Skyrim. Oh my god, dude, Skrim is like straight up I wanted to talk very quickly about this very good horror film. It's not that scary. That's not why it's good.

It's just some movies are like, not that scary, but the vibe in the atmosphere is perfect. It's called the ritual sick movie. Wait a minute, this is the one with like the antler yep I son of Loki. I saw the trailer and I was like, that looks cool. Yeah, it's sometimes sometimes I see like a trailer for a scary movie and I'm like, I want to watch that one. Dude, you like spooky stuff, You just you just haven't liked being jump scary, right, but you like

the vibe. Yeah, I don't like the I don't like feeling like I'm gonna have a heart attack, like anticipating a jump scary, like the ritual because it's not playing fast. Yeah it's good, Yeah, it's it actually is really. Do you like roller coasters? No, same reason, same reason. Yeah. So I don't know though, because it's the same paradox

with me. It's like, yeah, I don't like them, but like I've been on every ride at Carowins, Like I've been on most of them at like Universal and Disney, and like, you know, I feel like the differences. It's just shorter lived yeah, yeah, yeah, and on movies like long like they like to keep you in that spot. But here's

the crazy thing. It's always for me, it's the anticipation. Yeah, that's the thing I can't do. But then you do it and it's like, oh, that was fun and it's a real fast passed kind of guy. Yes, yes, a thousand percent yes. Cause all right, so for instance, we're at like Islands of Adventure with the Hulk roller coaster, right, that's an insane ride. Now, it's insane. I mean, it's just wrote it like recently. Really, wait, when'd you go?

Went to Universal? Like three weeks ago, three weeks ago, four weeks ago. Dude, We're the new Jurassic Park ride, the Velocit coaster. That is the best. There's a new Jurassic Park ride. They have a whole new thing. Man. Oh, I know, twenty twenty five something like that, And which sucks because like our entire family is going in November, which I don't care. It's gonna be so much fun. We're going to Disney and Universal. Yeah in November. I haven't been in a coaster

five years or so, do it. The fast pass line was like thirty or forty minutes. This is what I'm saying, Dude. If I walk up, if I see this big ass roller coaster, it looks scary as shit, and I'm like, oh, I don't know about that. If there's nobody in line, yeah, I get my ass on that thing. I don't care, Like I don't have time to think about, Like, I don't have time to be nervous. It's just get me on it and

there we go. Yeah, and then whatever. It's when I'm waiting in a line of one hundred people and I'm just sitting there thinking in my head like I am, I'm freaking out right now, nervous waiting thirty to forty five minutes to go and be scared on a roller coaster. It's like it's it just doesn't compute in my mind. But then when I do it, I'm like, that was fun. Yeah, you know, yeah, it's

the same whatever that is, it's the same connection. Okay, So sorry, you were talking about something awesome I don't remember, but well listen, I'm gonna jump back into the Christianity stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about our boy Loki. So what do you know about Loki? Uh? I mean, admittedly not much, just that he's like a trickster archetype. He's you know, he could be perceived as good, he can perceived as evil. But what you what everybody knows about Loki's he's a trickster.

Yeah, he's a trick He's one of those like tricky trickster gods. All right. So there's theories in these like theories that I've found about the connections between Christianity and like the end of Ragnarok and Norse mythology and stuff. They suggest that, like, you know, how We've talked before about how the Old Testament God and the New Testament God are like very different. Ye, well, a lot of scholars theorized that, like maybe that Old Testament

God was Loki. Interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. You say that too, because the next episode we're going to do his gnosticism, and that's the entire subject, that Old Testament versus the yeah being different gots oh right, right, yes, n all right. So, according to such theories, Loki, who is the god of mischief and fire, fled into his daughter's realm of Hellheim after Ragnarok and shape shifted into a snake to corrupt ash and

elm into his favor, changing his own name to Lucifer. What which in Norse it would have been Balder light light bringer. That's literally what lucifer means. Interesting, Balder means light bringer. Okay, Lucifer means light bringer. And this is the other crazy thing, Like if all right, because according to the prophecy, it's Loki's fault. It's like it's Loki's fault that Ragnarok starts because he kills Balder. Interesting, dude, he'd be a little mad.

You know what's crazy because you don't know this. While you're playing the first God of War, you don't spoiler. You don't realize that the kid is loc and it's his arrows that kill him. Deep. Oh yeah, they're like more accurate with it that see, that was the first time that. Yeah. The only thing that's not accurate there is like Balder's kind of a dick in r But all that is is changing their like personalities, which is like who cares, who's to say what their personalities were? Like,

you know whatever. That's cool, dude. That was the first thing when I'm playing that first got A War game. It was because he had mistletoe arrows. That's in our song, dude, Yeah, that's in our song. Twice Born has a song about Ragnarok and in the song, a mistletoe arrow brought down my son. That's literally how it happens. In Norse mythology,

the only thing that can damage Balder is mistletoe. And in the game in God of War, Freya makes a treeis who is actually Loki you find out at the end of the first GOT War game makes him an arrowhead of mistletoe, not to kill Balder just because of there. They went to some realm where he needed to have mistletoe that would like you know, like get be able to access certain areas or something like that. But he used an

arrowhead. Remember he tied up his because his his sash for his quiver broke, so they use it to tie it up, and then Balder punches him there and the arrowhead goes into his hand and that's what ends. Like you find out it is this weakness. Yeah, when that happened in the game, I was like, is a tray is Loki? Because I knew, like I knew that it was Loki who is supposed to kill Balder. So

now the thing about this for a second. If you were Loki and you had everything going for you had this master plan and you were trying to evade Ragnarok, but then all of a sudden, by chance, boom, it happens Balder dies, and you're like this motherfucker, Like Balder ruined it all for me, and then Ragnarok happens. You hide in Hellheim, you transfix yourself into a snake, all this stuff, Like, wouldn't you want to give Balder such a bad name? You would want to like tarnish his name?

He It was like the theory is that he took name so that he could tarnish it light Bringer. Yeah, Lucifer, like the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Right. Another thing that is maybe less known about Loki is he is like the most jealous of all the gods. He's the most jealous. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's like why he kills Balder. He's killed multiple gods because of like you know, in what's it called Asgard

they have there's this big dining hall of Odin. It's in Odin's palace, and it's this dining hall where all the acier dined together, and it's a big deal. It's a big honor to be invited to eat at this table. And like Loki has been kicked from the table multiple times and then brought back and all this stuff. But on multiple occasions Loki has either had gods killed or killed them himself because all of the other acer are like favoring those

gods. He's like extremely extremely jealous. He's the most jealous of all the ace Here Exodus thirty four to fourteen, for you must worship no other gods. For the lord whose very name is jealous is a god who is jealous about his relationship with you. It's like there's no other God besides right, right, It's like he's this extremely which is crazy because in the New Testament it's not like that at all. It's not even He's not this jealous god.

It's not like that at all. Okay. And then finally going back to Eden and Eden's orchard and the golden apples of Eden and all that stuff, the only tree of life mentioned in the Bible is from the garden of Eden. So this is like a parallel to one of Eden's trees because Eden was the only goddess who could produce these apples. Wait a minute, what was the apple called Aidun? Yeah? Wow, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, you're just yeah, that's what I mean. I got the concept,

but the word, yeah, it's the same. It's the same thing. Wow, like her. The goddess's name is Ethen, and it's the garden of Ethen, the orchard of Ethen, the apple, the apples crazy Ethen, the tree of Even. And you know what, even in the Old Testament it says, you know, once you eat the fruit of this tree, or once they ate the fruit, they became as gods. Right, you said, it was when they ate the apples of Athen that they became the gods. Yes, that's how power. That's what gives them their

like vigor and their long life and their power. Yeah, it's the it's the golden apples of Ethen. Wow, it's wild. So that the only tree of life mentioned in the Bible is from the garden of Eden. So this could be seen as a parallel to one of Ethen's trees, where all those who were once on balder side of the war would go after Ragnarok to live forever in the throne of God. Of the ace here or the twenty Elders of the Bible. It's like the twenty Elders of the Bible around the

throne of God. It's the throne of God. It's it's it's Even's orchard. It's it's like there, it's the new realm of the gods. And then there's in Revelation, there's this passage the blessed are permitted to enter the gates of New Bethlehem and eat of the tree of life. Wow, that's revelation. That's after the apocalypse event afterwards, just like Ragnarok. After the apocalypse event, you can go to the Throne of God or New Bethlehem and

eat of the Tree of life. Like I just am desperate to know, like how those systems are so similar yet they're so far apart, Like what does that mean? In my opinion, I think that I think it's I think it's all psychic downloads. Right, Think about this, dude, This is crazy that I don't want to get into too much of a spirit science

episode because we got to save those for spirit science episodes. But like the way that we as like flesh and blood human beings got here were because over millions of years, gas clouds formed in space, which eventually pulled sediment and other materials in together, and they collapsed in on themselves and this like massive amount of gravity creating a huge like singularity of energy stars. You know, in the middle of those stars are fusion events, these massive, unfathomable amounts

of energy, these fusion events. That is where the building blocks of all life come from. Inside of those stars. You know, carbon and everything, everything that we are made of, that everything is made of, it's all of that. And then when those stars die, it gets scattered and spit all across the cosmos. Right, you can think of that spiritually, as you know, we are the universe, We are everything, right, if that's true, and we literally are absolutely everything, which I mean we

we know that scientifically. That is science fact. Like Carl Sagan said, we are made of star stuff. We are literally the elements of the sun that that heat the perfect temperature conditions in this solar system for all the elements to exist and create life. Yeah. Yeah, it happens because of the fusion at the core of stars. Then then you introduce you interject the spirituality aspect of it, and it's all just energy. There's like a matter is

an illusion. It's all just energy and whatever. This is like the most concentrated ball of energy. Like that means since the beginning of time, all that's been happening is energy has just been changing form and spitting and changing form and spitting and moving and spreading. Well, it's like Ragnarock, isn't it. Well, because you know this stuff is coming together and forming some new life. You know, stars live billions of years and then what do they

do. They freaking explode and they start over again. So you just said it, You just said what that's it. That's what I was getting I said, it's like ragnrock, isn't it. So you just said it. It's that's all that's ever been happening. That's all that's ever happened, and all that's ever been happening, right, right, that energy is permeating into our subconscious, into our minds, and it is. It's in our DNA. Yes, it's through allegory and through artistic representation telling us the story of

the cosmos. Right, it's being downloaded into our minds artistically. That's our filter, our filter when it passes. We're personifying these concepts with different characters. Yes, it's such a beautiful, amazing thing, like you know, the marriage of spirit and science is so beautiful. That's why we have a whole segment about it. But like that's what I believe. I believe. Remember in Akira, they said the movie Akira, they had the whole dialogue

where he's explaining that He's like, it's in our DNA. You know exactly what we just said with the stars and the cosmos, And it is. But at some point we hit this evolution phase where we evolve to that level and unlock that knowledge, you know, Yes, yeah, exactly, And it's like even the most nuts and bolt scientists on the world. On the world, are you a SCIENTI why? Laughter? That right? Yes,

the monsters on the world. There was monsters on the world. Okay anyway, Yeah, even even the most nuts and bolts scientists in the world would not dare to refute what we just said, that that we are star stuff, we we come from stars, that we would not be here without stars. All that's ever happened since the Big Bang is just explosions of energy and things spreading. So what's happening over the ages of human evolution is we're downloading

this information from the cosmos. But think about this. You tell some ooga booga cave man that like that star in the sky, and you know, if you explain it in the nuts and bolts way, it's just gonna like break their mind. And they're like, they can't it means nothing to them. But if you tell them a man like you, you know, and you you explain it to them a tree, a man, a serpent, a wolf, right, they can't understand that, right, that is mythology.

That's that's an important point because like, that's that's something that I kind of talk about a lot, but not not explicitly in this way because we're having this conversation officially, but like that's my thing is Like, you know, I see a lot of people out there that are like I work with this deity, I work with this God, and you know, not not to be an ass, but I'm just like why because exactly what you just

said, Like there's there's one universal intelligence, there's one force, and throughout time we're just personifying this force in different ways, you know what I mean. It's like it's like what we talk about all the time with the Dow. It's like, you know, when you label me, you've pushed me away. It's like I work with Loki, I work with on you. It's like, okay, well I work with Goku. You know. It's just it's just a character. I don't think that there's like zero value in

labels. Just this is just me personally. Like I've been I don't know, I've been on this like discovery journey lately of kind of like finding my connection with God again in and actually like the label part of it was very important for me. The label part of it was perhaps the most important part

for me. I think the time when the label part matters is. I don't know, this might sound a little weird, but I feel like when you grow up indoctrinated into a religion and your your brain, your mind are being formed in those formative years being closely associated with a religion, it is like hard, if not near impossible, to break those connections. Yeah, and so if you're trying to connect with God or whatever higher you know,

whatever you want to call it, God is what I'm calling it. I was afraid to call it that for a while because, like you know, I had some trauma associated with that and I had a new understanding and whatever, and so I didn't say the word God or I didn't use the word God because people assume God means Christian. Yes, that's a very big misconception. Raven a Hindu would say, they believe in God, yes, matter

of fact, they love Jesus and and man like he's like Christna. Things started to change for me in a major, major way when I started using the labels God and Jesus again. Yeah, when I started using those again, it's it's like, yeah, I didn't use those terms or those labels because I was like, well, I'm not a Christian, like, so I don't want to use those terms because like I don't want to be I don't want to like pigeon myself pigeonhole myself into that. But that severed the

connection for me. But Jesus was a man, right, you know what I mean. It's just like Confucius was a man. I read his stories. He has great wisdom, you know, laotsu. Yeah. And also God, God is not a name. God, God is in existence. God is God is a force. My only thing is you know. I see people say like, oh, yeah, I'm starting to have dreams of you know, this entity working with me, and you know, should I I have? Dude, you just have no clue the questions I get.

You know, do you do you ever work with do you ever work with Loki? I'm like, no, no, yeah, I've definitely I don't. I don't. I don't box my mind and trying to work with an eager cord. That's all I'm saying is it's like in the Gnostic episode, we'll talk about that they had a strict belief that like God is, God is a secret name that's not known to mortals. Yeah, because it's not

word. I think the only thing that is is truly important is the connection, right and connection, And if the language helps you make a better connection than great, then then then that's great. So if you if saying you work with a certain God like truly actually strength strengthens the connection to the real

God, great, awesome, that's all that really matters. But like, yeah, I mean obviously, like it was bad for me to try to pigeonhole myself into like calling it something else, like calling it labeling it like the universe, or labeling it like whatever else. It It was actually eroding my connection, yeah, making it disappear. No God is God, Yeah, for sure. Let's see. Oh, I want to talk about one more thing from from an angle of theosophy. I'm excited about this one.

Yeah. So we love theosophy. We love Helena Blovotsky. You know, well, I don't love no, No, I don't even like her. But I like a lot of her word, you know what I'm Yeah, you know what I mean. We like her work. I think she's a nasty attitude, but yes, I love it seemingly. Yes. So she maintains that the metaphysical truth is not restricted to one specific religious tradition, but can be found in ancient traditions and mythologies around the world. Brilliant. That's

essentially what we've been talking about. But this is this is where it gets really cool. Blovotsky describes the most enlightened stages throughout the various mythologies of the world as the thirty five Buddhas of confession. Wow, you know, have

you ever heard of that? Yeah, it's I looked into that specifically in like Hinduism Buddhism, and yeah, there's all these different Buddhas of different aspects and all of this stuff, But there is specific importance placed on these Buddhas of confession because I guess according to some sects of Buddhism, confession is like the first step to true enlightenment. It's you know, interesting, and this is like Tibetan Buddhism mostly so in Theosophy, Odin among many others, are

considered to be one of those thirty five Buddhas. And they believe that Odin, you know, who appeared in like northern Europe, like Scandinavia area, when the northern hemisphere was not yet divided by the Atlantic Ocean. Atlantic Ocean had not yet divided there it was Pangaea still and because of this, the spiritual founding father of Europe could easily be associated with Atlantis being separated and ancient,

an ancient civilization, you know, think about it. It's you know, that's another allegory, that is, it probably didn't happen exactly how the myths describe, or like the Emerald tablets describe, or you know, so wait a minute, So Helena Blovotsky is I could be way wrong here, but she's insinuating that some sort of spiritual understanding of Atlantis was in like early early Europe, in the Norse myth, or like the knowledge of Atlantis somehow

translated to the Norse myth. What it is, Mark, it's it's that she believes that there are these thirty five entities across mythologies and religions who have that sort of thing happening similarly with all of them, where they are a part of this one continent and then it becomes separated, and she notes the the similarity to that's amazing. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So it's like these thirty five Buddhas of confession all seem to have this like symbolic

connection to Atlantis. So let me reiterate this. Yeah, from what I'm understanding here, I've genuinely never heard this topic yet. What I'm understanding here is Helena Blovotski is saying that in the very very early iteration of humankind here,

back when it was most likely Pangeo one continent. Yeah, back when there was probably one primordial knowledge, and then there was a split thirty five different Buddhas as she calls them, split across the world, and that's why we have this knowledge popping up with all this enlightened wisdom that's deep makes a lot of sense, that's what she believes. That makes so much sense.

Yeah, it does, and it's like, you know, it's like I said, it's most likely it didn't happen exactly how the Emerald tablets describe it, you know. But if you think about like a one united world that has there's no like hoarding of information, there's no separation of information. It's one land mass and everybody can share all of the knowledge and wealth. And then they break off and those sages that are scattered throughout are separated, and

they have these new system popping up. But there's so many similarities between them exactly. That makes sense, and there are similarities to think about how Hermist's Magistus is described to have been separated and come back, and it's like Hermistre's Megistress is one of those those sages. It's or it's an allegory of those sages. Rather it's the separation of the knowledge of the entity of the sage and then the eventual returning of that sage that knowledge that that kind of the

connections to Atlantis. Yeah, I thought that was really really cool. And then the last thing is they placed a lot of theosophy places a lot of emphasis on igdrasil that that you know, because of all the similarities. There's so many, and so I just wrote down some of the similarities and some of the stuff there. So, like in hindu they have a sacred tree known as Asvatha, which is also called the sacred fig It's it's uh, it's a sacred tree for Hindus. And this is like these are actual trees

that you can go and visit in the world today. There they're called o tree. They've preserved them, yeah exactly, Yeah, it's it's it's like that some of them have been preserved for thousands upon thousands of years and others. They they they grow new ones too from they will uh what's it called

propagate the tree? And that's it's cool that they have the actual physical tree in real life, whereas you know Irasill mythological it was believed that uh Gautama was sitting under when he reached the light and he fasted for forty days and nights like Jesus did too. Yeah, that that's why, uh, they're sacred. The the the Bodi tree is what it's called in uh in Buddhism, but the body tree it's known is an Osaka tree. Wow. That's cool, Yeah, really cool. Is the world tree of Hinduism and bears

many similarities to Egill, so it's a it's a similar thing. The tree is described as having its roots in heaven and its crown or branches below. Yeah. Yeah, but also like Kabala remember, yes, yeah exactly, there's also as above, so below there's also a verse. Isn't there a verse in the Bible that talks about roots above branches below? Yes, I don't recall it, right, that's where the Devil Is probably got their album.

Yeah. The branches symbolized the visible universe and the roots the spiritual realm. The roots represent the manifested logos. Wait a minute, Uh you said that the branches were in hell and the roots were in heaven. It's uh hang on, let's see. Yeah, the tree is described as roots in heaven, crown or branches below below Yeah, below, like like earth the physical realm. Yeah. So the branches symbolize the visible universe, the roots

the spiritual realm because the remember the roots are above. In this they represent the manifested logos, which descends into grosser materiality, as symbolized by its branches and leaves. It also symbolically represents the human body's nervous system, with its roots in the brain and its branches throughout the body, following the occult principle

of analogy, which is as above so below this is. This is heavily detailed in some of these theosophical texts, but essentially the point is that one must climb this tree to be able to liberate oneself and go beyond even the roots, which is even beyond the logos, the mind, the spiritual realm. It's like you climb and then even transcend that which would be considered enlightenment, like true like realized enlightenment. Right, Yeah, let's see. I

think that's all I got. Dang, that was really deep. That's the that's the theosophical spin on it, which I think is so cool. I was selling Ryan earlier. Usually whenever we dig into a topic, I like to go theosophy angle first. That's where I was planning on starting. But then we started talking about the Christianity stuff. So that's interesting because I wouldn't I don't think to do that, to look at things through a theosophy lens.

That's why we make a good team, Yeah, because I think about it just like from an occult lens or an esoteric lens, which is like theosophy, gnosticism, wisdom, truth, you know, Like that's that's interesting. But I do have to say theosophy does really cut to the core of

the symbolism, and and that's what it is for me. It's like if I if I start with theosophy, even if I don't find like a wealth of crazy stuff, it will point me in the right direction, right, It'll point me to gnosticism or her meticism, or it'll it'll point me to where I need to be going. Even Buddhism, Hinduism, like theosophy is just so that's the whole purpose of it. Of theosophy is to cross reference all this stuff, and so it always points me in the right direction.

That's why I typically start there. Wow. Yeah, that was really deep. Yeah, that was really deep, you know what I'm saying. And I did want to say one more thing. You know, I keep saying, you know, we're not supposed to label things. We're not supposed label things. You guys listening realized that the lady, the entity that my dad experienced came and said that she's been known as Hathorne by many other names, right, many other names, yet my dad never calls her any of those

names. Now, just calls her the lady, the lady. Yeah, that was That's what I wanted to get across. So many people ask me, man, I've had probably thousands of messages at this point, and Dad has has I couldn't even tell you how many thousands upon thousands, And we get so many messages like how does it relate to Christianity, How does it

relate to Islam? How does it relate to you know, this religion, that religion, this religion that religion, and I'm just like, you know, like I don't know what to tell you, like it's God, you know, just just keep an open mind and and that's all I'm saying, Like I don't want people to get so boxed into where they have to believe one certain type of way or they have to think about it in one certain

type of way. Like that's that's all I'm saying. I'm not I'm not trying to like shame people for what they believe in, for sure, I want people to keep an open mind and understand that God and its truest form is not bound to an identity or to a name that we came up with. God is incomprehensible. I believe that the true form of God is probably light yet not even visible, you know, like I don't know, I

don't, I know, I agree, That's all I'm saying. I think that the only purpose of labels ever was so that you could kind of just just begin not to even fathom it, but fathom how to connect with it. Like we were saying earlier, like how do they describe the story of the cosmos by putting it in terms that you can understand? It's definitely helped. I think in most cases, I think that's generally like that's the right idea, Like it trying to put a specific label on it is just silly.

It's never going to fit like it is not this. No, but if you want to try to understand it, read this. Sure. Yeah, yeah, you're never going to fit it into a specific box, a specific name, a label, whatever. Yeah. I think that it's just interesting that in my case, it was that was the part that was making things difficult for me, was was removing all labels completely and taking all of it completely away, everything that I had learned, like you know, in

Christianity, and completely entirely removing all of that. It severed my connection to the like the true real God. It's it's a weird paradox because like, yeah, you cannot fit it into a label, a name, a specific god, none of that stuff. But then how do I connect to it?

Yeah? It might be it could you know. I think it's probably just that I have some unresolved religious trauma and it's somewhere it's like I haven't worked that stuff out yet, and so that tether to those labels is still present, right, and it's like this whole journey is has been me realizing that tether is still present, but rather than just saying like, well, I gotta fucking cut it off, it's like, well, no, that

doesn't have to be cut off. I can use that to connect while still understanding in my higher understanding that like, yeah, the label, it's not like it's just a word. It doesn't it doesn't make sense. It's not going to fit into any one category or box. My dad always tells me this that how do we know what God is? All we can do is imagine God. It's in our Dude. He'll be speaking in front of fifty two hundred people. He'll say, you know, we only imagine God.

We don't know what God is. And he says, personally, I imagine God is a woman. And he appeared to me as a woman, Yeah, a lady, you know. And he's like, I don't you know, I don't need if you think of God as a man, that's okay. You imagine God how you want to imagine God. This is how I imagine God. You know, he's not saying her name is this and this and this and this and that's all I'm saying, man, Because I really

do get a lot of messages from people. They're like, oh, yeah, I'm working with the spirit of Kwan Yu, which is like some minor Chinese deity. It's right great, you know, I'm imagining the highest force in the universe. Right, that's all I'm saying. I'm just giving advice. I get a lot of questions about how to connect and anyway. I think this was an outstanding episode I did too. This one was super fun. It was fun. It's zipped on by Yeah. I really didn't have

much more. I mean, you you knocked it out of the park. Sweet hell. Yeah, I'm just I'm fascinated with mythology in general. Norse and Greek are my two favorites. And one day we got to hit Greek mythologies. Oh definitely, so hard. Absolutely, that'll be lighty. Yeah. And then I want to do a Wisdom tradition episode on the Oracles of Delphi and the Alician mystery tradition. Yeah. Do we do an episode like this that's like Greek myth and then we hit deeper into the like esoteric.

That's the way angle of it, you know. Yeah, that's the way to do it for sure. Yeah. I love that rocking and rolling bro Roll, we say hell him, yeah, brother brother, What's what's God? What's the led Zeppelin song? Dude? Oh the Immigrants song. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, that's some biking that'll get your norse. Jimmy's going okay by got out of here. Weird things happen in the backyard. It's so weird coming closer to us players, this straight up like

smiring on the inside of it. No one knows that. Wow, it's come for I ever thought the solid na