133: Dragons

Weird things happened in the weird weird weird What is up guys? You me? Well see you no, see. I don't really be eating dragon though, Uh yeah, because it's more of a meal for kings and I'm more of a peasant really, But they don't actually eat us. It's a common misconception. They actually eat gold and treasure, and that's why they're always sitting on a pile of it. Starting off with it It's always Sunny quotes. I was hearing that same music in my head. Yeah, damn dude,

So what are we talking about today? Dragons? Show me Dragondon. I like how the peasant thing in there? Like, yeah, I've been playing Chovary too obsessively in the last few days. Well, it's actually on the top of my notes. Here is in big, big, big letters right here. No, the quote, Oh he wrote it all that was. That was the beginning of my note taking process for this episode. I'm fully convinced that we're doing this episode just because he wanted to make those It's always

Sunny references. I'm gonna be honest. I put this on there. I put the quote on the notes, and then I took a break He's like, all right, I got the important part done. Now I can move on to the other bullshit. Yeah, it doesn't matter. So why are we doing this episode? Why do y'all think we're doing this episode? Because I said, let's do dragon pretty much? No, no, no,

I think, uh, I don't know fantasy mythology. Like I feel like a lot of this stuff that it's very like fantastical is it's all like an allegory for some real spiritual stuff, Like it means something. It's a what's the word I'm looking for. It's like symbolism. It's you know, it symbolizes ancient magic that's like long past or lost on us or whatever. You know that the world used to be so much more magical than it is now.

You know, that's that's like a lens that you could look through, Like you know, we talked about that sometimes, how like maybe the world has lost its magic because of who knows, distractions or whatever. That's that's kind of how I see it, jumping around a little bit. That's funny you said we've lost our magic here because medieval Christians believed in dragons, because dragons were in the Bible, So like medieval peasants, even though dragon's not

really a meal for peasants, Medieval peasants actually believed in dragons. Is real because there are dragon from scripture in the Bible, which I have that but sweet, I want to start at the beginning. So great red dragon, that's the red dragon is based on revelation. That's also right, right. That's also funny because there is like this conversation that like, oh, dinosaurs

didn't exist because they're not in the Bible. Like, yeah, you know what I mean, because they're dragons, right, It's like there's dragon, there's a dragon in the Bible, Like why do you Well, we also haven't said this yet, but the main reason you had proposed to this idea, which we thought, wow, that's a great idea, was because we

have just entered into the year of the Dragon in Chinese astrology. Yes, so we will be on the tenth of February is lunar new year, right, because as you know, you learned on this show that New Year's and Chinese New Year are not the same. It's not in the same day. Wow, that's a throwback right there. Right, Yeah, that's like that's one of my Hall of Famer moments. I just don't know. Well, we've got to have like different years, you know what I mean, like

different years, Yeah, maybe different days. No, I mean like different years, bro, like our year and what is link yer? Yeah, that's up with a leap yer, what's up with that? You know? It's crazy about it's a leap year. You know that. Now you'll have to look this up, but I'm like ninety nine percent positive that years are actually three hundred and sixty days and they add the five to account for leapyer, Like if it was based on like the real Earth revolving around the sun,

it would, yeah, three hundred and sixty days. It's something about that. No, yeah, I think you are close to cause it's it's like point something days, yeah, exactly, so they just rounded off I think. Yeah. I think what it is is like it's not exactly like a day is not exactly twenty four hours. Like there's some small discrepancy in either the hours or the days or the you know days in the year or whatever. And that's yeah, that's why we have to have the leap here.

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, I don't know why. I'm kind of nervous because we put you on the spot. Yeah, well was I honestly, I think it's because I have these notes. It's like, because this was the thing in school when I had my notes, I was a terrible public speaker. But when I was actually like well versed on the subject and didn't have notes, so I was pretty decent. So what you're saying is you're not well versed on this subject. I'm saying I cram dragons.

I really have a lot of information here, but I did cram dragons. All right, I'm excited. Yeah, all jokes aside, Like, I think dragons are one of the coolest things ever, and I'm actually pumped for this episode. You're actually wearing chin ron on your back, I am was that coincidental? It was? Oh? I did not wait to go to your left, to my left? Yep, there it is a drag dragging well dragon dragon balls. That's probably the best of all the dragon ball z.

Oh yeah, wouldn't you say? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. It's sick. Yeah, that was my favorite actually. Ironically though, ironically, and then we'll move on past. I know, we we got stuff to talk about here. Ironically though, I feel like Alex would be obsessed with DBZ if you really like, here's the this is the endless conundrum that we have is that he is he should be one

of us, but for some reason he resists it. Huh, and he doesn't allow it to And then every time that he like tries one of the things that we're begging him to do, he's obsessed with it. Name one, Star Wars three bro Okay, okay, yeah, Star Wars, Chivalry, Uh, Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones, there's three? How about that? How about debt? How about all right, let's get into yeah, let's get it all right, So twenty twenty four is the year

of the wood Dragon, the wood dragon, wood Dragon. This the last wood dragon year was in nineteen sixty four. But we'll get into that. Oh, wo's talk right, all right? So think of wood right, well, okay, let's get into what does this mean? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, would right? So would you want to think growth? And I personally think like sturdiness. And then I also want to say that like this is all interpretation, right, sure, Like you're gonna go to different

websites in different places and get different information. I mean, it's you're gonna kind of have the same underlying tones here, but it's all like very interpretated. You may not know the answer to this. I'm just curious. So is it like I've never heard of it being referred to as like wood dragon. I always I just thought it was always just year of the dragon or whatever. Do they like every time dragon comes around? Do they like go

to the next element or something? Yeah? Oh that question? Is Is it that way with every one of the I'm kind of thinking they're like, isah? So I did not know that? So like, like for me, I'm born in ninety eight, ninety eight is a pretty sure it's a fire tiger, dude. I want to know this now we should look up for years. Well, what are you ninety three ninety three? I'm I'll look up mine while y'all are doing that. I had no idea that was

a thing. So you're a water rooster nice nineteen ninety four Chinese zodiac dog. Right, Yeah, it is dog. I was crushed as a kid when I found out. I was why same do there's like dragons and snakes? Badass rooster is pretty sick, dude. I'm a dog that's infinitely more powerful and universally loved. Nick nick, Yes, ninety four is the wood dog? Wood dog? I like that. So, okay, were you a fire chicken water? I said, chicken. I'm sorry, I'm a roster. Sorry, really, I did not mean to do that. I'm

sorry. I'll call myself a wood puppy. Now, just to balance it, I have a rooster story. If you guys don't hear it, please, Goosters are kind of like dragon y'all know, yeah, y'all know who this is. But me and my buddy went to get one of our favorite tattoo artists was doing a get what you get, which is it was a D one hundred dice and you rolled the D one hundred and whatever number you flip to that page in a one hundred page book, and you got that

tattoo images. It was one hundred dollars for one roll, one hundred sided dice, one tattoo, right, and you had to get what you got or you could pay fifty dollars to roll it again. So how big could it be? The it was lash. It was a it was a flash tattoo. So it's about I think like five by. Don't you have a piece of papers? Yeah, yea, I have one. You should show him after, show you after. That's not bad, that nuts I would do. That's a good deal. That's a pretty like sizeable tattoo, and

I would do that. And I never had a tattoo before, but this guy like did all my buddies and all my other buddies like, well respected dude, great guy. So we show up eye roll. I got a knife. I got a rose with a dagger through it, so like pretty pretty American traditional like cool. Yeah. And then my buddy Rolls, y'all know him, Yeah, yeah, shout at Rolls gets a rooster. Yes, show he's got a rooster. Yeah, And he was like you should see his face when he flipped that page of a book. He loves it.

Now it's his favorite tattoo. Oh that's awesome. See. I feel like that's a good move for your first tattoo because some people just put so much pressure on their first tattoo. I was doing it's gotta be deep. Yeah. I was doing it for years and then finally I was like, if I don't pick something, I'm never gonna pick anything. And then they announced that Soro was coming to Super Smash Brothers, and I was like, I'm getting a Kublaide, like that's sick tattoo. That was its well,

so I looked up the meaning of mine afterwards. It makes it cooler to me. Is the duality of man the knife through the rose, the rose and the knife. It's like the beauty and the pain or I don't know, the duality of man is the traditional meaning. But anyway, let's get back to it. I found uh, green and yellow are gonna be like the colors of this year. I love it because green for my dragon and yellow for trees, yellow, brown, bark, and then green. I

don't know, did you say yellow for the dragon either green? Yeah, I just rode down, dude. You're riding a yellow dragon in the thumbnail. Yeah. And then like rebirth and revitalization are going to be kind of the theme, so like wood comes from trees, trees grow, and then dragons are like fierce animals, so like, let me let me look through this here. Damn dude, that's so cool. I didn't know that there

was the whole like element thing added a lot either. I mean to be honest, I've never like, I've never dove super super deep into zodiac. I'd like to at some point because It's always fascinated me, dude. I remember being a little kid and going to like a Chinese buffet and on the menu they have like descriptions of all the zodiac signs and like all the animals and stuff. It's like something for you to do while you're like waiting for your food or something. And I was always like, what, Like this

is crazy? How come I didn't learn about this in school? Damn it. So Year of Action and Changes, which kind of goes along with that rebirth and revitalization thing. It's like a big like empowerment year. And it's also interesting because it's an eight year too, so eight is karma and money, so you're kind of taking in Last year was a seven year, and I don't ask me about the Year of the Cat or the Year of the

Rabbit. I didn't brush up on that before this. But we're taking what we learned from a knowledge seven year and using that to like empower ourselves good karma and money in this eight year. And I think that partners really well with the dragons, so it's kind of like a big willpower. I also saw speech coming up a lot, like speaking carefully but speaking like truthfully and

speaking liberately. So I thought of it as like removing ANNs and ums, but really it's more of like removing the gossip, removing the fluff, and really speaking with intention, which is really interesting and all falls back into the like empowerment part of it. That's so sick. I love that. Yeah. I mean it's looking like it's gonna be a good year. Yeah, I sure of growth. I sure hope. So I'll take that out sign. So yeah, Chinese New Year growth success, let's see. Would symbolizes

humanity's aspiration to achieve progress, grow and expand the year. The dragon represents health, strength, and good fortune. Dang do. So you take all this right, and then everybody's like, oh, we what like predict the future? Like what's the what's the what's gonna happen this year? So I thought, I'm like, all right, how do you predict the future? You look at the past. So I thought, let me pull this nineteen

sixty four. I just went to Wikipedia. I said, notable things that happened the last wood Dragon year Woo nineteen sixty four, right in the middle of the Vietnam War. Also, wasn't that the civil rights movement? Yeah? I mean it was yeah right around then. Yeah, all that kind of happening at the same time. So I took I just went through the wiki list and things that I thought were interesting I wrote down. So this is not a comprehensive list, just like what Alex thinks is cool from the

nineteen sixty four I'm stoked. The first meeting between the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church since the fifteenth century. W Paul the sixth and Patriarch Athena Goros, the first of Constantinople meet in Jerusalem. Wow, whoa, that's huge. That's really cool. It's really cool because in the next episode I was going to briefly talk about the Council of Constantinople. Wow, that's like monumental. Yeah, and talk about growth, like we're talking about hundreds of years since

the last time these figures have met, Like, that's tremendous growth. Yeah, last wood dragon like. So that was like probably the coolest thing that I wrote down. That's sick. No, that's super cool. Well, the other ones the okay, this is this is a really fun topic. Yeah. United States Surgeon General Luther Terry reports that's smoking maybe hazardous to one's

health. Okay, Okay, so like I read that as like, okay, breakthroughs in yeah, medicine kind of yeah, Like all right, we're going against the grain here, would well dude think about this prior to then, legitimately this is not bullshit. They were like telling people smoking is good for you. Yeah, like especially through the fifties when it was like really

blowing up lucky strikes and stuff. Oh yeah luckies. So sorry, not an Oh, don't be putting that out there like that that Look, some kids are gonna start smoking some luckies now, dog, yeah, do it unfiltered, don't get the plastic. Great advice from alex I do see that as like tremendous growth though for humanity to flip the ridiculous claim that it's good for you to be in like this is bad. Yeah, it kills so many people. Yeah, what's what's next? All right? Next, France

and the People's Republic of China announced their decision to establish diplomatic relations. Okay, let's go world politics stuff, all right, relations stuff. You know, the People's Republic of China can be hard to get along with some times. Next, really cool. Cassius Clay then crowned the heavyweight Champion of the world. His name to Muhammad Ali in sixty four. I love yo the

goat. That is the goat. Yeah. I mean it's like hard for me to pick between him and Mike Tyson because I love him both so much. But Mike Tyson himself is like did you see where they were on a talk show together and they said, uh, they said Tyson you versus And he was right next to him versus Ali, and Ali's prime who's gonna win? And Mike was like him all day. Oh, and they were both just so humble, like no, no, no, the other guy. They both were like that to each other. Yeah, so cool. Mohammad

was saying, like, I'm scared of him. He's like, I'm not strong, I'm just fast. Yeah, yeah, I'm scared of him. Yeah. I love that man. How they're both humbled towards each other. That's so cool. I was, Uh, I was listening to Rogan the other day and it was he was quoting Tyson and Tyson left the gym for a long time and then was talking about how he was scared to get back in the gym. Oh because he was scared to light that fire again.

Dude, Like that's I will be unstoppable again. Like I wrote a short story about Mike Tyson after hearing that quote. It inspired me so much. Dude, that's so like so cool. Like he's like he says, like I'm afraid to get in there and do it because if the old me comes back, hell is coming with him. Yeah. I was like, yeah, oh that's dude. You gotta be a monster to like for that to be your mentality. Dudes, I can't exercise because if I do connect with

that old version of myself, like whoa. Yeah, he's a master at his craft. He's also just a master of ship talking and intimidation like like not even I can't. I don't want to call it shit talking because that implies it's not even good it is, you know what I mean. It's just mass poetry. It's poetry in the most visceral way. Like what's cool about that is uh Muhammad Ali he his ship talking if you want to call it, that was like actual poetry, like like right and like like a

butterfly, Like yeah, literally it was poetry. And then Mike's is like he's angry and yelling, but the things that he's saying you've never heard a human utter before I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna cut your head, I'm gonna make you mind like evil stuff. Yeah. But that's why I like Mike Tyson so much, you know, because he he he was so dark in the past, but then he's he was like redeemed, but I changed.

And also like he viewed and views himself like in the context of boxing, he views himself as like a demi god, like war year class Like, he's not like I'm a boxer, He's like, I am a warrior. I mean. They asked him in an interview like recently, like if you could fight one fighter of all time, your number one pick, who would you want to fight against? And with the straightest face in the world, he said Achilles. He said Achilles, and they were like, oh,

like hand hand yeah. Yeah. They were like what why? And he said he was the greatest to ever to ever he was the greatest conqueror to ever exist. He's like, I want that, I want that title, you know, if that's your north star as far that's as hard as dude Achilles, Like, no one expected him to say that. These are two Just find the Achilles in the thing that you do and go beat that man, Yes, dude, I get fired up. Bro. That is the Dragon year. Bro, just do it, do it. I'm getting

fired up, dude. We all getting fired up, dude. I'm I feel like we should all just like should box. Yeah, That's what I'm saying it. Just start banging them out. Let's let's start boxing. I'm serious, bro. I like no, no, no, I mean I like, like, like just as a sport, as a sport too highly respectable. It's scary. It's I love that we're going down this tangent on

the dragon. Yeah yeah, uh, it's like scary because like real permanent damage can be done, and you have that moral quandary of like should this be happening? But it's like some people are born to fight, and it's like if you don't want them out there busting heads in public and just like wreaking havoc on, you know, getting themselves into horrible situations, and you know, put them in an area where it's regulated and they're you know,

there's safety and stuff like that. Sure, things still happen. I mean things happen in football. People get concussions all the time in football, So it happens. But like, come, you gotta get it up. Nothing cool is safe, that's not and that's not like I don't know that, like nothing is really ultimately safe, Like crossing the road is not safe. That's all right. Well, let me go back to that. I want

to say. We're musicians. Oh there's nothing unsafe we do and it's pretty fucking cool that string could pop and just like shut up, all right, A right, no, No. What I wanted to say is I think, for so many years before this comfort that we live in and like most of the world lives in, like fighting is just reality. Yeah, like that was an everyday thing, and I think it like like something about the sport just like takes you back to like roots, like right, there's nothing

more primal than just going at it. Alright, alright, liver king, no, no whatever, whatever, Alright, moving on. No, I love combat arts too, great little tangent on the freaking Dragon episode The Dragon of the West, Way of the Dragon. All right, y'all gonna love this one, okay. Nineteen sixty four, the Italian government asks for help

to keep the Leaning Tower of Pisa from toppling over. No way, that's a thing unless this is one of those where someone went in there like, right, somebody over here right now, yo oh, man got in love with the national crisis. When that thing starts leaning too hard, they hit the red alarm button. It's like the Italian president's desk is the red button is for the leaning priority over the nuclear right right, yeah, yeah,

damn, all right, Nick, this one's for you. Nineteen sixty four, Constantine the second becomes King of Greece upon the death of his father, King Paul. Okay, all right, cool, I don't and I read that, and I said Greece still had a king in nineteen sixty four. Yea, may he reigned? They have they only very re like adopted. It's so funny too. They recently adopted democracy again because they invented it, you know. But they were enslaved for four hundred years, and their whole

socioeconomic you know, state flipped and so whatever. Yeah, all right. Uh. The American Jerry Mock sets out to become the first woman to fly solo around the world, completing her flight on April seventeenth night. Oh that's huge growth. Yeah wow. And then Gemini one is launched as an unmanned test. Let's go Gemini's Rise, Up Rise, Up Rose, yep, and then I have this is the last one. Uh. It's estimated four

hundred to one thousand students march through Times Square, New York. Uh, and another seven hundred in San Francisco in the first major student demonstration against the Vietnam War. That's what I'm talking about. Right there, you said, how many four hundred to one thousand, Yeah, it's in Times Square and then's a lot. There's seven hundred in San Francisco. That's what I'm talking about. That's crazy, That's what I'm talking about. In the war,

they're all in like flower dresses. Yeah, little you know who remember that scene and Watchmen? Yeah, alternate version down visceral scene. Yeah, what a movie. You ever wish you were alive back in the hippie times? Sometimes? Yeah, I really do. Broeah, Like sometimes it's like low key, Why why I would flourish the music? I just think it's the best, Like the sixties to the eighties there was there's like the music just there's nothing better. Yeah, sure, I guess until that came out.

That's what I'm talking about right there. I have different reasons. Yeah, you don't want to disclose those no, never, right, Okay, you just wanted to drop a little hint for everybody, tease everybody. Yeah, okay me. Why do I wish the other nick? Oh? Well, A couple of reasons. One, I think that like one of the coolest things ever would be to see Jimmy Hendrix play music live. Like I feel like that is an experience that every human being that didn't get to do that

it was robbed of. Like he's one of the most groundbreaking musicians of all time. Also, I mean, Woodstock is possibly like the most legendary concert that's ever been put on. It was a time of like breaking out into new patterns of thought and new ways of thinking and like broadening horizons and breaking down borders, and so much progress was made in that time, and like the Civil rights movement, and it just seemed like, you know, it's

the closest we ever got to really like the Age of Aquarius. And then it's kind of I really think we are almost there. And then they shifted things with the whole Manson debacle and just kind of like shocked the world. You know, Like sometimes I wonder, like is it possible that timelines can change? I don't know, I mean, what do I know? Right?

But right, you can't certainly feels like something was changing. Yeah, you can't help but ponder it. And also like psychedelics were becoming a thing back then, like everybody was doing them, Like what would that have been? Like it was so rampant that they literally did the Manson thing in sixty nine, which we already know. I mean, we're pretty well understood that that was not just a coincidence. Oh you've been disclosed, Yeah, exactly,

like it was a manufactured thing. And then boom nineteen seventy psychedelics or you know, war on drugs, Like yep, definitely, like it seems like people were rapidly waking up a mass and I think so, yeah, yeah, very cool time. So we'll shift a little bit here back to the Dragon year, right, I guess we never left whatever. So the best match for this year, obviously, if you're a Dragon, it's your

year. Congratulations and grats. Monkeys and rats also gonna have best match with this People who have a match, not the best match, but a match are going to be Rooster, Snake, Pig, and Horse, and then Nick, I'm sorry, actual the true enemy signs. So the polar opposite on the wheel is the dog. Don't let that scare you, because last year I was an enemy sign and I had a pretty had a great year.

Yeah I meant of some things happened, but it's all right. Also, so it's like truly your enemy or the dog, but also ox and goat are no match? What does that mean for me? The way I interpret it personally is like if it's your enemy year, it's more of like a lay low, Like it's not it's not a time to like start things. But I was really interested because I haven't I don't remember my last enemy

year because I wasn't like conscious of conscious of this information. So I was kind of like really paying attention to Ryan's enemy year last year, which was also my fiance's uh her year. She's a cat or a rabbit, depending on who you believe, And I think Ryan had a pretty good year. Yeah it was tough at times, but that's every day. It's it's you know, I like, like I feel like if things come easy to you when it's your year, like things just flow and sometimes you just have to

work a little harder. When it's your enemy, it's like a challenge that you have to rise up to. Like if it's your enemy year. It's like the final boss. It's like you gotta you gotta buck up. And I think it's it's more like you're in a storm storm and you just have to weather the storm. Like it doesn't change your life. It doesn't like change the day to day. You said, still have to do what you have to do, but it's just like that much more annoying. All right,

you know what I mean. That's interesting because like since the beginning of the year, I feel like I have been well, we're not there yet. Oh, you're right, February. Technically we're not. You're right, You're right, they're different, We've learned. It's also like I don't think that these energies like are like what I'm trying to say, they don't fit

in the box of the year. I think there's a lot of overlap, just like with the Age of Aquarius, Like it's not like it's going to start at this time, right, it's a it's like a slow we could never possibly know like the moment, there's no pinpoint. Yeah, And I think it's that way with this. So, like you're saying, it's like we're starting to shift into that dragon energy even though it hasn't technically started, but the but we're starting to feel that a little little by little, you

know what I mean. Yeah, So I just kind of have some like, uh, let's see, what are they called a little paragraphs here? This is more in the So I did the Chinese interpretations, like the Chinese Dragon year, and then I did the Vietnamese dragon year. So where with the Chinese take on it and the Vietnamese take? And the reason I did that is because they have the discrepancy between cat and rabbit. So Chinese believe last year was rabbit year. The Vietnamese believe last year was a cat year.

Gotcha. So let's see. Blessed as they are with the tenacity and intelligence, dragons are equally renowned for revealing or for reveling in challenges, taking pleasure, and spending countless hours working towards conquering whatever opposes them. The flip side of these positive traits is a tendency to have a legendary, legendarily short temper and an inability to take criticism. As is often the case in life, the strengths of those born under the dragon sign are wrapped up with their

weaknesses. Emperors and ancient China were identified as the sons of dragons, and at that time ordinary people were not allowed to have items with pictures of dragons on them. Chinese dragons are symbolic of being lucky, powerful, and noble, not as monsters as they are portrayed in Western stories. Oh dude, yeah, I know. Dragons are venerated in Chinese culture as like gods.

Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, if you've never seen like one of those paper dragon, like the festival where they have the paper, it is like the most beautiful thing. It's so cool. It's really cool when you start to get into some of the like some of that the history, Yeah, I got some of that. Oh we're getting there, all right. So the Vietnamese, Yeah, Vietnamese, let's see. So dragons in Vietnamese culture are symbolic creatures from Vietnamese folklore and mythology. According to ancient Origin myth,

the Vietnamese people are descended from a dragon and a fairy. The dragon was symbolic of bringing rain, essential for agriculture. It represents the emperor and the prosperity and the power of the nation, similar to the Chinese dragon, which is also influenced and appeared in Japan and Korea as fierce but benevolent serpentine dragons

alike. The Vietnamese dragon is a symbol of Yang and represent and representing the universe, life, existence and growth, Yang being positive, male, day, active, sun, logical, hot, hard, like that's kind of Yang energy. Damn, that's that's so cool. When y'all think of when you think of dragon, do you immediately think of like the the worm w y r M like the they look more like a snake with little feet, like the Chinese dragon, Yeah, serpentine like like, or do you think

of like fantasy dragon with the big chick. It depends on the context, right, Yeah, it really depends on the context. I feel like I've just like immersed myself in so much fantasy that that's just immediately what I think of is like the big chested like short arms, but like you know, your typical fantasy dragon me too, Yeah really yeah, unless I so,

I was hearing dragon and sea serpent kind of used interchangeably. When I hear sea serpent, I think legless, right, And when I hear dragon, I think wings yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And then I'm thinking sir, go ahead, right. I was just gonna say, kind of off this subject, but it is weird when you really like boil down to it and think about it. Nearly every ancient religion system had some sort of dragon or mythological serpent being. I mean even the Egyptians had, you know,

the great serpent of the of the Darkness of Puppus. You know, in Mexico they had the flying sky dragons. The Mayans and the Aztecs quetzelkotl cuco Con, there's the same beings. I think even like all of the different mythologies, like there there are dragons in almost every mythology that you could think. I'm just saying, it's like, it's weird. It is so

dragons, like they go back four thousand years ago in ancient Babylon. But what's really interesting is we have all of these texts of dragons, but no pictures except until we get to like the map, was the cameraon, Like no, well, illustrations, dude, this is a this is a UFO like phenomenon show, and you're asking about pictures. Where's the evidence illustrations. I'm just show me one picture of a dragon picture, no picture, I'm out, Yeah, yeah, no, So what's really interesting. And we'll

get a little bit deeper into this in a minute. But there's no like cave drawings in the east, nothing, no illustrations of dragons until they found in the Grand Canyon Americans dinosaurs. Wait wait, wait, okay, because we know that like a lot of the dinosaur bones, and I'm sure you'll hit on that later, so I'll leave that open ended. But a lot of dinosaur bones, you know, they found that they're typically out in the west, like Utah, Arizona, you know, the Grand Canyon area.

So this kind of sent me down a little spiral here. What if they're all kind of real, like in the way that you have farm pigs and wild boars, you have it's the same animal would you have sea serpents, you have dragons with wings, and then you have these lizard like animals that are more dinosaur esque. So it's really we're kind of really dancing the line

here because we have so much of this in Storian and myths. So the ancient Babylon creation myth from four thousand years ago, so there was a she dragon that went in and slayed all the Babylon the Babylon gods, except she's

like the chaotic's the dragon of the darkness, Yes, chaos. So she came out of the void and started whooping ass on all Babylonian gods except the sun god Mar Marduke or Marduk Mar. Yes, Marduke slew Tiamot in a cosmic battle, and then formed the heavens and the earth with her dismembered body.

And then dragon Blood created the humans. Oh that's so cool. But again we have this notion of some sort of divine substance being infused with the creation of humans, where divine beings were made dragon's blood, or like in the story of Dionysus, he's resurrected with the ashes of the Titans. Yes, right, it's this, this same story over and over. We're part of the divine substance. Yeah. And lord of the Rings, the Mayr, those like Elder, like you know, angelic beings, they raise humanity

up out of the ground. Like you know, it's always it's always some divine purpose that's bringing humanity to existence. Yeah, but I'm saying that it's it's in us. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like dragon's blood made us, right, you know, So we have that spark which is really interesting because in this creation myth, the dragon represents this chaos and disorder, but then the dragon is slain, and then order and reality is born

from the slain dragon. And then I keep kind of thinking in my head as I'm writing this down, with the wood Dragon year, so you have like the dragon the tenacity, the chaos, and then you have the wood being the builder or like the prosperity. So you kind of are like Yin and yang with the dragon year, and then it also being a wood year. So it's very like, it's very interesting to me that we're doing it

at this time, I guess, and it's it's a wood dragon. I don't know, maybe I'm looking too deep into No, dude, I really feel like it's gonna be a good year for us, well for everybody, you know, like if it depends on your perspective, honestly, you know, like the potential for everybody to have a good year is there. You know, life can get in the way. But I just feel like there's

an energy going into this year. I mean, maybe it's because of what I've gone through personally, but it's also you're coming out of your enemy year. Yeah, so it's like maybe from a personal perspective too, It's like, okay, like this is the first year that I was like, I'm so ready for a new year. Get right, get behind me. See. And that's interesting too, because you weren't thinking about it being your enemy year when you said that. No, I just was ready for something new.

Yeah the energy. Not to scare you, nick, I'm scared. That's okay, too late, It's okay, you've already been through an enemy year before. Yeah, I have. Yeah, you feel like the last few years have been enemy years too, you know what. In all seriousness though, although you know there's there's things that you're dealing with, they're tough. Look at all this amazing stuff we're doing together. Oh, I'm so

blessed, not all bad. I am so so so blessed and grateful for the things that I have for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure for show, you know what I'm saying. So then we get to the Bible. Let's get to the Bible. So old Testament. God creates a dragon Leviathan on the fifth Day and then slays the dragon on Judgment Day, and that's from Isaiah twenty seven, verse one. So what does that mean, Like, why is that just popping up the we're

the only mention of dragonstiple. There's multiple and I have too written down. That's one of the two I've written down. There's one. The Leviathan is mentioned in Job. I don't have that one. Well, we're going to talk about this in the next episode. But some there's a split in like

the biblical scholarship community. Some scholars believed that the the Book of Genesis was the first one like ever handwritten, and then some actually believe that Job was way older that the even though the stories, like you know, in the canon Genesis would be the beginning, but there's a belief that Job was written many years earlier. You know what I'm saying. Wow, And in the

Book of Job, the star wars kind. Yeah. But there's two mythical beasts in the Book of Job, and it's the Behemoth, which is a giant like land beast, and the Leviathan, which is like this, I guess, giant sea serpent. Yeah, yep. Let's see Revelation your Dragon the Book of Revelations, the Angel slayed the dragon and then threw it into the pit. And that's from Revelation twenty verse one and two. Yeah, there was like a wasn't it like a ten headed dragon or something like that.

Yeah, But in the New Testament, the dragon represented represents the devil. So I'm kind of like the Master Serpent. I get like the anti Christ, right right, that old Serpent. Yeah, because the Old Testament, the Leviathan story where he creates the dragon and then slays the dragon kind of goes back to that ancient Babylonian myth where the dragon is created out of

nothing and then slain. Hey wait a minute, it's clicking in my brain because, like I said, Okay, so I'm just gonna go ahead and say it in the next episode we're gonna record, We're gonna do so the one previous to this is it gonna come out before Yeah, okay, that's fine. You know, you guys know we record, you know, multiple out of time. But in the Bible History episode we talk about we are going to talk about, but I guess you'll hear it first, when when

the first Biblical texts were written. It's actually believed that they were written during a time when and this is you know, a real historical thing that happened for several hundred years. The Jews were in slavery in Babylon, right, And as they're writing these texts, they're learning from Babylonian culture and religion. And you just said that ties to the Babylonian myth. So there's just more evidence right there to support that. You know, we have this ancient Babylonian

myth of this dragon being created and then slain by God. You know, Marduk, the son of Inki, who was the son of Anu in their system, and Andu was like the supreme god. And then you had Inky, which would have been like the Zeus figure. And then you have Marduke, which is like the prince you know, Savi, your frinds. And then we have the story where, like you just said, it mirrors the

Babylonia myth where the dragon was created and then slain on Judgment Day. So that's that's a cool little synchronicity there that we're doing both of these episodes back to back. I'm also really happy that I have Ryan approved research. Yeah, you start throwing around Babylon, I'm like, damn, Like, that's

that's the fun stuff to talk about. So I guess. And then this is where we tie back to that medieval Christians so medieval Christians reading the Bible then are like convinced dragons are reality because right, yeah, it's in the Bible. They're like, oh my god, dragons into all this medieval story. Yeah, there's unicorns in the Bible. There's all kinds of stuff in there that people, you know, huh, Old Testament or New Testament. I'm not sure that unicorn anybody, but it's not that hard to make a

unicorn. You just put on, like, you know, the the Scottish, I'm not sure if it was on the flag. I'm not really that one of their national symbols was a unicorn in Scotland. I'm pretty sure I could just be talking going out of my bum but you look at it. I got my hands full over here. I'm looking up. Dang, dude, this is not the un So I'm sorry all you're looking at. I'm gonna keep going because then dragons, So this is all kind of going on

in the Middle East. Dragons enter Europe in Libya in the third century. So the legend says that the dragon was terrorizing the Roman Empire outpost and a Christian soldier named George killed a dragon and that ushered in Christianity to the Roman

Empire. The Christian Crusade then was going on in the Holy Land some years and years later, and they found that this crusader group found themselves outnumbered, and they were about to concede when the ghost of Saint George and an army of angels joined their ranks and helped them defeat I guess their enemy, and then George became the patron saint of England. Dang dude, after his ghosts came back and slayed a dragon. Yeah, what dude, that's right out

of Lord of the Rings. Yeah, that's wild. That Also, if anybody cares about the unicorn situation, it's mentioned eight times in the Bible eight times. Whose flag is it? That's what I want. It was Scotland's coat of arms. Yeah. God brought them out of Egypt. He had, as it were the strength of an unicorn, numbers twenty three and twenty two, and then you have numbers twenty four and eight. God brought him forth out of Egypt. He hath as it were the strength of a unicorn.

He shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones and pierce them through with his arrows. There was another one that I thought was really cool that made unicorns sound really bad ass. Oh, listen to this one, Psalm twenty two to twenty one, Save me from the Lion's mouth, for thou hast heard me from the horns of unicorns. So, like, thousands of years ago they had this idea of like a horned unicorn, like or you know the Greeks a cyclops or all these cultures dragons.

You know, like why why do they all have these ideas that these things that existed? Yeah, but also why is it called a unicorn and not a unicorn? Yeah? That is a great no oh question. The biggest, the biggest issue to happen with humanity was to make unicorns this feminine figure. Think about your usual where is this? Unicorns? They are so cool and they're feminists, like feminine, they're feminists. They're feminine and like, you know, you think little when you think unicorn. Yeah, you think

the little girl unicorn. Think about this. You're using horses for battle, right, Imagine if it's got a built in horn. Try Sarah, tho, my horny, my horn can pierce this guy, dude, that goes hard. I'd write a unicorn. Yeah, when I hear unicorn, I think about oblivion. I've always secretly thought unicorns were like super cool, They're awesome, they're awesome, they're so sick. But again, why unicorn. Yeah, that's that's the etymology of that is messing with me. So that's

kind of the end of my like non conspiratorial. You didn't go into any of the dinosaurs stuff. I know that's conspiracy. If we want to continue talking about the actual you know, no fact of it, we're setting you free. We're unchanged. And this is I had to do all that research just so that I could talk conspiracy on the show episode. So the conspiracy

is is that dinosaurs never existed, but dragons did. And somewhere along the line we changed dragons into dinosaurs and then said that they predated humans, but maybe dragons existed at the same time as humans, and then somewhere our wires got crossed and now we're calling them dinosaurs. So let's see. So how

does that make you feel? I think I think elements of both of those versions have to be true, you know, Like my philosophy is that anything that they tell us from an official mainstream stance has to have some reason they're putting it out that way, So I'm like, could it be true?

Yeah, but you know, I don't take everything at face value. There had to be something, But like I would be totally willing to believe that this is you know, some crazy dimension that we really only know so little about, and then maybe there could have been a time in the past where

there were all these different types of beings that existed. It would make sense to me, you know, if there really is we know, there really is some sort of elite priestly class at the top, it would make perfect sense for them to keep putting out this narrative of like establishing this paradigm where we only believe in you know, Darwinian physical evolution only you know, galactic space travel to the far reaches of the moons and you know, all and

prepping this alien stage, but trying to really rule out any sort of spear virtual phenomenon. Like to me, that just makes sense. Do I think dinosaurs exist or didn't exist? No? I don't. I'm not saying that, but I don't necessarily so let me change your mind, please do No, I don't know, I don't, so Okay, anyway, the word dinosaur did not come about until eighteen forty one. Really, so there was no conception of dinosaur until eighteen forty one. Meanwhile, we have stories of

dragons that go back for years. Yeah, yeah, So Richard Owen coined the word dinosaur originally dinosauria in eighteen forty one, and it originates from two Greek words dinos and meaning terrible, powerful, wondrous, and sarros meaning lizard, so powerful, lizard, terrible. What does that sound like godzilla,

a dragon, a dragon? It honestly does. And like, sure somebody out there might be like, well, they just called dinosaur dragons before that, but why are they they did, right, why are they so commonly depicted with wings and or being able to fly? If if it's just like dinosaurs with a different name, you know what I mean, Like, that's that's pretty wild to me. And also in the past like twenty years, specifically, they have finally started to find enough evidence, well or lack thereof.

There are gaps, official gaps forming in what we thought we knew about dinosaurs, where now we genuinely have no idea of anything other than just the bones of dinosaur. And dude, not even that there has never been a complete skeleton found ever of a dinosaur. All that you're gonna tell me that dinosaurs predate humans, but you have cave drawings of dinosaurs done by Native Americans in the gun. How is that possible if they're supposed to be all these

millions of years ago before humans exist. Do My dad was telling me recently that they have in the last several years found you know, quote I say quote here because we're open ended. Are the dinosaurs or the dragons whatever? All could be true? Right, but they found like dinosaur bones that still had layers of flesh on them. What for real? Yeah, like preserve like fossilized. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, that's where my brain goes.

It's like, yeah, I think dinosaurs existed. I don't know if the timeline is correct, but what I think is that, you know, we know now that they are so remarkably similar, for instance, to what's it called, like foul type animals like chickens, and yeah, because the

majority of soft tissue, yeah you can look it up. By the way, the majority of dragon sorry, the majority of dinosaur bones that have been found, a large majority are hollow, right, And like, come on, why are they hollow unless that's like some evolutionary thing where they need to fly, right, you know what I'm saying, Hollow boned animals that we

really know of fly. Yeah, So I feel like there was probably feathered, like way more feathered dinosaurs running around than we thought, which, like, if that's possible, then why is it so hard to believe that some of these big creatures also had like bat type wings where it's like leathery and it matches the rest of the skin on their body, you know what I'm saying, Like like that just these things all could have existed together or at

different times or whatever. But I don't I truly don't have a problem at all believing that like some form of dragons like it absolutely existed. There are there's thousands of years of recorded here. Yeah, at the same time as humans. Yeah, And I just did look it up. They did find dinosaur bones with soft tissue in them. But I'm gonna throw you all a curveball. That is not necessarily about dragons, but it kind of adds to the case of you know what if we really did exist at the same time

as dinosaurs. Have either of you heard of the London Hammer. No, there was a sledgehammer found like a fossilized sledge hammer found deep underground in sediment in the London area that is dated to be five hundred million years old. No, no way, five hundred million. I thought dinosaurs sixty five million ago. The London hammer was found in London, Texas. No, okay, what was the London area. I'm not a misread a detail there. He never seen London. I didn't say. Yeah, I'm not trying to

push on the spot. I just want to say that Texas is cooler than London. Oh okay, it's cool man. I've been to the airport, but I've been to the airport. Yeah, I mean that's a that for you know, that's a pretty sophisticated tool. It's sure it may be able to be created, you know, by I don't know, five hundred. The point is we were supposed to have started, you know, being ten to twelve thousand years ago. Oh five hundred million, right, Yeah,

that's that's insane. Yep. The hammer is five hundred million years old. No way. Yeah, So it's like what made that? The rock around the hammer was four hundred million years old? Dude, ain't no monkeys made that? This is my point. My point is, I just don't believe any of the narrative that we are given. That's a smoking gun, like, well there's more, there's all this. Uh have you heard about like the giant bones with the Smithsonian go ahead? There were like reports of the

Smithsonian Museum getting giant bones and destroying them. Yep. I don't know, bro. I mean, I'm just saying like, yeah, I think, and you know, Graham Hancock is a very notable person in kind of this field of rewriting history like what where, especially with archaeology, with archaeology. Yeah, but we're fed. Is not the linear progression of man. And if you think about it, like I mean, we're probably not the first and I would say with a lot of certainty, we're probably not the first

advanced civilization to walk the planet. I think it's eternal. Yeah, it's exactly over and over and over and over forever. I really. I mean, because if you go as above so below and you believe in reincarnation on the micro level ourselves, it has to exist in the macro levels actually society or the group self, you know, the hive mind or whatever you want to call it. But it but I don't know. I don't want to rush into this dragon stuff because I'm nearing the end and I kind of want

to sit in that for a second. Let's just sit in it for a second and breathe fire like dragons, and let's pay homage to the dragon of the West. Iro Oh, Bro, I did to hit me in the heart like that man? That Iro? What's what's your like? Iconic favorite dragon from any any extended shinron bro Oh, Let's go yeah, Okay, give a little description of Chenron for those who might not know. Chenron is

from also known as shehn Long in Japanese. He is the mythical dragon from Dragon ball Z that is created the one on the back of my shirt, that also the one contained within the seven dragon balls. And he's a magical

dragon. And when you gather the seven dragon balls, which are these like mystical orbs with stars on them, and when you gather them together and you summon the dragon, you get to make a wish and he's like he's like the Eastern style dragon, like like the really long body with the tiny arms, and he's got like the little horns on his head and the og like eighties dragon ball Z opening. It was super sick because you see like Goku and Gohan running all up Chenron's back, you know, Yeah, I always

love that as a kid. Yeah, I want to run on Chenron's back in the clouds. Yeah. See. And that's like another That's an example right there. We were talking earlier about how in the East like dragons were and are venerated as these like powerful yet benevolent magical creatures, and like he, Chenron very much is kind of an in between arbiter. He doesn't side on good or bad or whatever. He is just simply a grant wishes. Yeah, a magical entity and he's super cool. Okay, I have a

question. Yeah, is Falcor from a never Ending Story a dragon? I'm gonna say yes, I'm gonna just because he has a dog face doesn't mean he's not the rest of him is a dragon, dude. Yeah. I know a lot of really good people with a dog face. They don't change what. Yeah, he's a dragon, dude, He's for sure a dragon. Uh mine is in Caligon the Black from Lord of the Rings. Lor It's not Lord of the Rings. This is we're talking about Silmarillion, way

a far back and Kalagan is like the the like progenitor of dragons. And it said that he was so he's like pure evil, like pure because in in Lord of the Rings universe dragons worms that they're like bad. They're they're like pretty much always bad. I mean you think Schmaug, like the the razorbacks that the Ring Race fly on every dragon you see in Lord of the

Rings. They're not good, they're bad. Uh. So more Goth, who's like the primordial evil of that universe, created the first dragon and Kaligon, and it was said that he's so big that when he takes flight he blots out the sun. That he's he's the biggest dragon of all, like fantasy ever, the biggest dragon to ever exist. Hold up, have you seen uh the cosmic dragon from Dragon Ball super? Yeah, that thing is like big as a galaxy. Bro Okay, fair, fair, that might

be. That might be a little bigger than and Caligan the Black Yeah, yeah, that's true. A pretty fucking big dragon. Yeah. Yeah, Okay, Alex, what's your favorite dragon from Dragon Tails? I knew it, I knew it. Yeah, I had to think hard about it. I love that. I don't know a lot of dragons actually, Okay, especially because I don't need them. Fang Avatar, Roku's dragon oh in spirit guide kind of thing. That's a sick answer, dude. Yeah, did

you ever play Skyrim? No? You that's just one of the other So drop in the bucket of all the things that Alex would fall in love with Skyrim, he would have been, like you know, he would have been old enough to play that. Yeah. And it's also been released, like re released like twenty times. Yeah, like like you know, but I mean that's the core, like the entire core of the game is dragons. It's all about dragons. I'll have to check it out. Okay, it's

sweet, dude. You're the dragon born Okay, yeah you are. You're You're like a human that is born in that universe dragons. When they speak, it's magic. It's called thoomb or dragon speak, dragon shouting. So the dragon born is I don't know how often, if it's every hundred years or every I don't know how often it is. But there's a dragon born who is born it might be and it's a human who can speak thoomb dragon

and that's you in the game. You're the dragon. Yeah. Yeah, like you're literally walking through a field at one point, and the entire like earth shakes because there's somebody on a mountain speaking dragon speech, and you're like a second favorite answer the dragon from Game of Thrones, who uh was acting up and eating people and then everybody came crying to Oh my god, what's his name? Is this one of Kalisi's dragons? Yeah yeah, the one

that was like eating farmers and stuff. Yeah yeah, yah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And they had to put him in there dungeon. They put all of them in the Dutch, but it was one of them. I think that was acting up. What about the one that died and then the Night King reanimated his court. Oh that was my least favorite dragon. That went so hard. Remember how fast it was the first time you see it fly, it's like the flash. It's like that freaking drag when that

dragon died, b broh. The one that really got me is when they were just like she was just like flying in the sky and it was all peaceful, and then it just gets impaled by like three massive harpoons and gets taken down. Yep, I guess we don't have to put a spoiler on. No, that's been out. That's been finished for a couple of years now, but if you're like me and you haven't seen it, it's still worth it. Watch it. All its spoiled before I watched it, and

it was still great. Yeah. So anyway, let's get back to my notes. Yes, here's what I thought was interesting. So, no complete dragon fossil or skeleton has ever a dragon dinosaur has ever been found, right, so I'm like, okay, Well, the most complete one was a Hadrosaurus and it was famous because it was the most complete skeleton unearthed and unearthed in eighteen fifty eight. But that is only a couple years after eighteen forty

one when the word dinosaur was created. So they were finding these fragments of bones and guessing then made up the word dinosaur, and then oh no, like ten years later, we suddenly found a very very complete one and it's a dinosaur for sure because we know it. Wow. Yeah, And they're like trying to pay little tours of it at the carnival. Okay, the way you structured that sentence, And there's they're trying to pay at the carnival.

They're charging tours right next to the Harry lady. He said, they're trying to pay tolls at the carnival. They are tours of it next to the Harry Lady. Yeah yeah, get your dinosaur bones, dude, that's wild. You gotta walk through the gift shop get the plastic buds to take home. So anyway, that's the end of my notes. Dude, Dragons, dragon to dragon to all right, what's your biggest takeaway from today?

Huh? My biggest takeaway from today is probably that they pay tours at the carnival to see now, my biggest takeaway is, uh that there are elements associated with zodiac years, Like it's not just year of the Dragon, it's year of the wood dragon, water, water chicken, air spider. I mean, I think water Chicken is a summer league baseball team. He was a water chicken. I'm a rooster. Oh right, my bad. If we're being proper, it's the cock. Oh right right, yeah, so

like a watercock. Yeah, and imagine how disturbed I was when I found that out as a child, when I was in cracker Barrel and saw a pamphlet of the Chinese. Hey, roosters are badassss are bad ass, dude, bro, they fight each other. I've actually had roosters on my property, and I don't think they're that bad ass. Why I just don't, man, I just don't. I've seen them. They've got two little twiggy

legs, man, and they're really you could just step on it. Yeah, well listen, I've got I recently, very recently, like two or three days ago, heard a story about a very badass rooster. Somebody that I was working with said that they have chickens and they have one rooster. Because apparently what a rooster is supposed to do is protect the hens from any threats or whatever. He's looking after his lady. Yeah, that's apparently how it's supposed to be. Well, this one was fully doing the opposite.

Oh buh. Like it was like terrorizing them and tearing them up and then also attacking the person that I was talking to. She said that, like she would walk outside and see him across the yard, and as soon as he knew that she was outside, he would barrel towards her as fast as possible, flapping and running and just like launched directly at her face, like trying desperately to hurt her in any way possible. They've been known to do

that. When my dad was a little boy. He had a pet rooster then he named John, and it was his like, it was his buddy. And when my grandpa would be out in the yard, you know, they had like the whole farm back then and all that my grandpa would be out in the yard. The rooster. You know that a lot of breeds

of rooster have spikes. This one did the one that yeah, spurs spurs yep, And that little sucker would run up and it would spur my grandfather Yeah, and it spurred him over and over and over, and just like my grandpa got fed up with it. So U one night my day, I found out, where's John? Where's John? Shot it? Well, they they served John for dinner. Uh they couldn't, you know. That's exactly what how this story ends. She said that the rooster was attacking her,

attacking the other hens. And then one day her girlfriend came outside and the rooster tried to attack her, and it was like, all right, that's because she also has a little daughter who's like less than ten years old, and so they were like afraid for her safety and all this stuff. And so after that happened, she just shot shot the four roost I mean, it's like, what are you gonna do, Like put that rooster on somebody else, try to give it away, or like they tried setting it

loose. It just came. It just kept coming back, tearing through the fence. Oh sight, Yeah, getting to the hens. So she was like, I just had to I had to pull out the nine one morning and just just just finish it. Damn. Dude's yeah, I'm gonna tell you if I got spurred by a rooster, I just kicked the shit out of it. Well that's what he did. And then yeah, and Grandpa and then I'd go into the house and then I'd come back out. My dad would be. My dad found out later that he ate his friend John.

Yeah, well what she gotta do away, You got to cook the chicken, regardless of how you prepare it. Then you got to go outside to the other roosters, and you got to eat it in front of them. Yeah, to say, this is what happens when you start spruning people exactly. You know, in Japanese culture, there is a dish where you coat chicken with egg and I don't know the Japanese word, but the dish translates to mother and child. Well, that's essentially every time you've ever eaten

fried chicken. That's what's happening, is that you cover it in eggs and then you cover it in batter. And every time I eat fried chicken, I'm like, this feels like some fucked up rituals. Mother and Child. I'm just bathing the mother and the freaking mixed up carcasses of her dead children and then frying it like it's it's pretty much cop. It's good. It's real good though. So I hope you all learned a lot today. Well,

right, where's your takeaway? My biggest takeaway, honestly, the thing that blew them blew my mind the most was that there were no like drawings or depictions of dragons in the East for thousands of years. Yeah, there's so much text and culture about them. Yeah, I didn't know that there were no depictions of them. Yeah, that long ago. That probably came about within just like the past couple thousand years. Wow, which is what because you do see you do see like the the you know, depictions of

the dragons and stuff, and how they look. They always have like big eyes, which honestly is kind of a strong argument for them to just be myth. What do you mean the fact that it's all story and no picture. M Well, everybody who tried to draw a picture probably got eaten by a dragon, so that's probably what the leg right have you guys. I

don't know. I don't know about you guys, but I've been to like some of the prominent art museums, like the Smithsonian Art Museum, the MoMA, the Modern Art Museum, the the Louver in Paris, and I can't remember. I think it was at the I think it was at the Smithsonian Art Museum. There there's a lot of you know, there's like what do you call it, different different cultures, different periods like it, you know, Baroque art, Renaissance art, whatever, different periods of history. They'll

grow up a lot of these pieces. And there was one that I think was painted in like the fifteen or the sixteen or the seventeen hundreds, obviously way before there was cameras and stuff like that, and it was people drawing like tigers and sharks and lions. And keep in mind these people maybe saw one once in their life and they look so wonky, like some of the paintings of like being out at sea and there's like a shark poking out of

the ocean. These are like real, like famous classical art people, and the shark looks like like has little like person on the five faces. Like they didn't know what this stuff looked like, even real stuff that we see all the time now on TV and movies and whatnot. They had no clue what this. They might have seen a lion once, yeah, ever ever, or a drawing of one and they're like, oh so cool, you know, you never know what about depictions and all that, But they didn't

have scuba gear. They couldn't dive down and see what a shark looked like. Yeah, they didn't have national geographic right. They weren't just a round sharks that they were. It was you know what I'm saying. I mean, i'd imagine it'd be the same with dragons, you know what I'm saying. But but for me, the fact that all these different cultures have this like language and description of them, I just think it's really weird. That's

all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. I'm open, I don't I don't die on the hill that you know, they were real and they weren't real, But I just I think it's very cool. Yeah, what about you, Alex, what'd you take away with all your research? What was your big takeaway that peasants can't eat dragon? Well, I knew that, Uh you knew that. Probably just how old the myth is, I think.

Yeah, I didn't realize it went so far back. And I really like the the religious connections and the stories told in different ways, and it's kind of like it's very on brand for Bloodsoe said so, So it was cool to come across that in my research. Yeah, the Babylon part was the most exciting part. Yeah. Nice. All right, Well let's go whip out last week's episode. Yeah, bye, guys, guys, weird things happened in the backyard of bloodshow House. It was so weird coming closer

to that, like smiling on the inside of it. No one knows manolescome for I ever did Sor a happy