131: Being Heart-Centered w/ Reuben Langdon

Weird things happened in the weird weird weird. So to go ahead and introduce our special guest tonight, we have Ruben Langdon. Rubin has been a friend of my father's. You guys have met and hung out once, all the way back in twenty twelve. If anybody has read UFO of God, they have seen where Dad went to this event out in Bucks County, PA called the Gathering and Ruben was one of the special guests there that night and they

clicked. And I remember all those years ago Dad coming home and telling me, Hey, I'm met a friend. You might be really interested in this. He plays in video games. Have you heard of Double May Cry? And I was like, yeah, And I have to tell you, Rubin. You know, I remember the first time time I ever saw Devil May Cry when I was a kid growing up in a really Christian house. That wasn't a game that I owned because it had Devil in the Devil yep,

But I wanted to play it so bad. And I remember being like, I think I was like a ten year old boy seeing it. Oh my god, you can fight the devil. You know, this is so cool? Like you know, this is a Christian game, but you know, it's just was a very nostalgic thing for me, and then dad meeting you all those years later. I always thought Devil May Cry was so cool. So we started chatting right before the holidays, and what did I do? I got a Steam deck for Christmas, so I was like, why not

Double May Cry five is gonna be my first game? Got it on a ten dollars sale. I beat it in like three days. It was so good. It was so so good. So for those listening, Rubin has a very long, very colorful list in voice acting, stunt work, motion capture. I'm assuming you're very proficient martial arts to do a lot of this motion capture. All You're own Power Rangers by the way, big big rep there, and what did I miss there? Acting stuntwork, motion capture,

and voice acting for animated video games. So, without further ado, we have our special guest, Ruben Langdon. Thanks Ryan Nick, thanks for having me. I'm a fan of your show. I have been. Once I found out from your dad that you were doing a podcast. I checked it out and I love the subjects you guys cover there, near and dear to my heart, including the video games. But I like the philosophy and the

esoteric stuff. It's it's amazing work you guys are doing. That's awesome, man, Thank you so much, and same to you with the work you're doing. And it's very cool stuff. And I gotta say, let's let's I want to talk a little bit about Devil May Cry five. We're not going to sit here and do there's so much more stuff we want to talk about. But how cool of a synchronicity is that that? What was it Guy's last week or just the week before we put out our Cabala episode and

then playing Yeah, and then playing through Devil May Cry five. The majority of the symbolism is Kabbala. Yeah, like the whole point of the game, which until you, until you text me and pointed it out, I wasn't really following that thread. And then I thinking back on it, I was like, oh, yeah, I mean I'm a fan of Kabbala and know a little bit, you know, the Tree of Life and some of the esoteric studies, but I didn't. I never made that connection. So

thanks for pointing that out. Yeah. No, it kept sticking out to me because like, first of all, you're you're climbing a demonic tree. Right, it's a tree, and central to Kabala symbolism is the tree of life. But that's not what gave it away. But gave it away was from the very beginning they keep saying the cly Foth Tree, the cly Foth

tree, and I'm a Clyfoth. I've heard that. I've heard that, and I looked it up, and Clyth in Kabbala lore is like, remember guys, when we did the Kabala episode and it was like they described the realms as like layers of Like they use this language that's like the realms are wearing other realms like layers of clothes. Yes, so Clyfoth in actual Kabbala is like a dark layer. It's like the layers that permeate the realms where

there's negative or evil energy. So they believe if there's a dark force, it exists within the realms of the Clifoth. And the whole plot of Devil May Cry five is you're climbing the top to the top of the Clyfoth tree to save Dante. Voiced by our friend Ruben. You're you're climbing the cly Foth tree to save Dante. But here's the catch. You know, you're climbing to the top to defeat the Demon King years in, but when you get to the top, you realize you're actually at the bottom and it's like

as above, so below. So you spend you spend like three quarters of the game going all the way to the top of the tree, and then you get there and you know Dante's up there. You fight Virgil at the top of the tree, which is Dante's brother sick fight by the way, and and you get up there and you're like, oh wait, we got to actually get to the real top, which is down in hell. So it's like, yeah, yeah, we didn't talk about the cly Foth Tree in the episode. Yeah, I wasn't aware of that. That's oh cool.

So yeah, it's just super cool. And like obviously you play through, you know, three quarters of the game as these other characters, Nero and v and they were really cool. But I was like, give me the Dante, give me the Dante. And then and then you get to Dante, and I have to say, like from just like a nerdy, you know, Japanese action game fan, like the mechanics of actually playing Dante is genuinely. I'm not just saying this because you're here listening. It's genuinely

one of the best fighting characters. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, like the way the mechanics flow into one another and the different styles and it's super sick man and the lines are crazy, Like you definitely killed it. But that's awesome. So yeah, Well, throughout throughout your history voicing Dante while you were doing that, did you did you pick up any of the spiritual symbolism from like his story or even the surrounding like the world a little bit?

You know, it's I think what's unique about the game is it has a basic story of sort of feuding brothers and you know, one one leaning towards evil, one leaning towards good, you know, or or pro humanity and against humanity, and so that sort of family family feud, I guess you could you could call it and and uh, there was a resonance there. I think that when a lot of people played it. Plus so my I I actually didn't start voicing the character Donda Antel Don't Make Right three, which

was sort of a reboot in itself. It was one and two came out, and then three was given to a new director Eats Nosan, and Uh the original creator and director Uh for one he left Capcom. So Capcom was kind of like, Okay, can you reboot this? Can you do something cool with this? And then the character himself was sort of this rebellious teenager

kind of stuck in a situation that he didn't want to be in. So I think a lot of people and kids of that generation of like early two thousands were I know myself, We're just sort of feeling that vibe of not fitting in and being pressured to do something we didn't really want to do or something like that. So we weren't jiving with with the mainstream, you know, nine to five job, go get the degree, you know, go become a lawyer, doctor and make everybody happy. So a lot of people

were kind of not resonating with that storyline at that time. So there's a lot of nuanced things in that game and the storylines and the characters that I think resonated with people on a deeper level than just sort of your traditional game at that time that was coming out. So that continued over the year years.

The developers that Capcom were you trying to bring in new people. They actually my company was a new company at the time, just Caused Productions, and they the reason we sort of got the gig was Capcom wanted to try something different and new and we were sort of this this my partner and I. We were but a bi coastal sort of Japanese American and American company that and we were pitching too. We were pitching to Capcom that there would be

a better Uh, it was about the English performers. So at that up until that time, they were just basically hiring Japanese motion capture performers and then having them and then dubbing. Like Metal Gear and all those games were cast out of Japan, they would do do everything in Japanese and then they would

dub everything in English after the fact. And our sort of pitch to Capcom and other game companies was, hey, if you go through our company, we can get you actual talent from from the US and we can do the from the get go. We can do the motion capture with English performers, English speaking performers native and that would give us a more instead of like a bad Kung Fu movie kind of dub. This would give us some more authentic

performance from the characters. So then that would then allow the audience to get more into the game. The body is different to the language is different. Yeah, yeah, and what you'd have is Japanese actors, very good actors, but because English wasn't their native language, they would pretend or think what they thought like English acting is right, just over the top sort of gestures and these kinds of things, and sometimes it works and sometimes it didn't.

But we were sort of pitching to Capcom that we would take that that burden of translation Lost in Translation. Its funny as around that time the Bill Murray movie Lost in Translation came out. Uh, so we were sort of like, see that's what and so Capcom was again. We were grateful to be introduced to directors and producers like Eatsan and the team, the Doll Make Right team who wanted to do something different. So they brought us in and we

were able to provide that service, which kind of launched our company. Uh, put us on the map, and they gave us a lot of responsibilities as we were sort of proving ourselves over and over. We you know, we brought in English speaking native English speaking script writers, to then take the Japanese script, localize it, but go an extra mile, you know,

and then and then sing with the performers. Everybody would take their lines, and a lot of times in that world when you when you're going between cultures, the Japanese language, you'd sort of get a line and you'd give it to the actor and the actor would see it and it doesn't really make sense, but they still kind of finagle it and do it. So we would be we wouldn't do that. We would say, well, this doesn't make sense, and we'd sit with the actor and like, well, this is

what they're trying to convey. This is sort of the idea, and they're like, oh, if that's the case, then maybe this line will work better this. So we work with the actors with on set translators and writers, professional writers, not just translators, and we really immersed ourselves in trying to deliver a true, authentic version of what the Japanese creators were trying to

convey, because a lot of stuff does. I lived in Japan for four years, five years speak in Japanese, and that was sort of my contribution because I was a fan of these games, but I saw how brutally destroyed they got when they were getting localized into English. So I was like, okay, so let's do that. So Capcom over the years gave us more and more responsibilities, from script writing to rewriting the whole script to actually doing

the motion capture. We later my studio, we got the equipment and we started doing motion capture in America for the Resident Evil games. So it was it was a fun exploration and co development on projects through with Capcom over the

years. Yeah, I feel like you don't You don't get that a lot that's extremely thorough, that's like due diligence, and I guess it came from your genuine care about the source material and the games, you know what I mean, Because you're absolutely right the Kung Fu movie thing that you're talking about, it happens. It does happen, and like the stuff doesn't translate perfectly, and usually the as the players were like, it's fine, like we

give it grace, it's all good. But to do go the extra mile, like you said, and have that like bicoastal collaboration that is epic and I think that should be like standard across the board. Yeah, you think I was very very impressed with the voice acting and Devil May Cry five, I really believed it, like I believe that you guys were pitching and you know, sure, it's like it's over the top. We know that about our Japanese games and anime. They're always over the top, very dramatic.

But like at the end there, especially when you get to the top of the Clive Fall three, not the one in Hell, but like the fake top which is near the end of the game. You get there and there's that moment where a spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't played, highly recommend it.

It's also not long either. It took me like twelve hours to play through the entire game front to back, and it's like, dude, that line when you know Nero gets up there, he awakens, he regrows his arm, and another cool little subplot to Devil make Cries even though they're like demons, they like awaken into these godlike beings, like they have these awakening powers and it's kind of like a super saying transformation mechanic, Like it's really

cool. But that line when you find out that Virgil is Nero's father, when you're pitching that as Dante and you're like, cause he's your father. I was like, oh, I got chilled, super deep, super emotional, like di stellar performance. I definitely left being a huge Devil May Cry fan. I'm sitting here googling like when his Devil May Cry six and another synchronicity there. I just thought it was so weird that we met. And again it's like my dad. You and my dad have known each other for

many years. But you know how life is. It gets busy, out of side, out of mind, and you know, people go on their own path and then you reconverge. And I just thought the timing of everything was funny. You guys are gonna laugh at me, but I pay attention to synchronicities. So we meet, I play the game, I'm like, oh my god, now I'm like everything I can consume about Devil May Cry. Dante's coming to Fortnite, by the way, that's well, that is

so obscure. That is so weird, right, Dante got announced as well, that's one of them as leaked as an upcoming Fortnite skin and the Dante, I mean the Devil Mycry. There's an anime coming out. And then today before our episode, I was just googling, like, dang, I really need another game. Yesterday they just announced a new mobile game, so there's some sort of resurgence of double mccry happening right now. It's like the

mobile game looks pretty cool. But I just thought that was so funny that we met at this time, and like it definitely catalyzed some new crazy fans, like I want to go back and play through three four, whatever the other little remakes are. I mean, I'm just I'm having a ball with it. Man, it's awesome. How does that feel, though, Like, how does that feel like I am that character that's so many millions in

enjoy. At first, it was it was kind of like wow, you know, because I was a fan of the game as well, playing the game and then getting cast as the role. But over time, I I guess I kind of got used to it. I did the convention scene pre COVID. I was hitting the convention scene pretty hard, going to appearances and doing autograph signs and and all that stuff. And I would add conventions.

I would usually sort of begged them to add a special panel so I could talk all my UFO and conspiracy stuff, and they would, and it was and I was for a long time trying to like bridge those worlds a little bit like from from from uh, and you guys do a great job of it. But so many of you'd think more, there'd be more of a

crossover, But I was actually surprised. I'd be at my late night UFO talks and I'd have like ten people in the room and then I do you know, we do a Devil mccry panel and it's you know, a thousand people. But it was. But so it just blew my mind how little of a crossover there would be. But of course the fans, you know, I love the genre. I love the conventioned scenes. I love the

devotion into the cost costplayworld and and how people really get into that. And I think it's a it's an amazing generally safe place for for young kids to hang out in and and do stuff. There's, you know, there's always as those scenes get bigger, there's you know, mishaps and things and people take advantage of other people and all that stuff happens, but overall it's a it's a safe place, and to see just the fandom around it, I love it too. I get in there with with the other with the other

fans and geek out about a lot of this stuff. So yeah, yeah, you would think there's more overlap. I'm surprised by that. You know, we, I mean a lot of our fans. Maybe it's because we talk about video games a lot on our UFO centered show or are you know Phenomenon centered show a lot of them. It's like they're into phenomenon video games. It's like equal. I would have expected there would have been a bigger

overlap. That's crazy. That's one of our favorites. I was gonna say, I think it's probably it's probably now it's starting to the bridge is getting easier to cross, but ten years ago it's very difficult. Oh yeah, yeah that makes sense. Honestly. Yeah, it's one of our favorite things to talk about. Like I was telling you last week when we were setting this up, it's like we just love talking about like esoteric themes in pop culture and am I and in my mind, like the UFO subject is esoteric,

right, They're they're really one and the same. I Mean, there's so much of this esoteric spiritual law in the UFO subject. But it's just so cool and we question this all the time. Is it like, are these creators, these artists, these visionaries creating these products. Are they some sort of you know, is there somebody above them who's initiated in some order saying put this in it? Or like Nick says a lot, which I tend to think might be the case. Are they so locked into like that

mystical field of knowledge. Are they tapping into that collective unconsciousness or you know, collective unconscious and like this stuff is leaking into the material. I don't know, but there definitely is an overlap subconsciously for sure, but very fascinating stuff. Yeah, it's it's funny. I think more of the esoteric stuff because it's not so nail on the head when you start getting to nuts and bolts uphology. It's almost too much for creators too, it's too it's too

exact, there's too much stuff there. So I think people, especially content creators, who are looking for inspiration, it's easier to go into sort of esoteric or not so solidified concepts and beliefs, and they can pull in to their imaginary world because because that again it also isn't isn't so fixed. But so I think it's I would imagine for content creators and and I and I agree with you. I think most of the creators that I've interacted with they're

interested in the philosophy. But when you start saying, no, this stuff's real, guys, then it's then there's almost like it's like no, no, this is fantasy land. And I create fantasy for a living, and

I can merge those worlds. But when you start saying there's no, there's actual physicalized craft coming from other dimensions that you know, people are interacting with or people have interacted with, or the government has some and you know, and these things are happening, like that's too it's too on the it's too real for them to incorporate that. I'm just pushing fantasy man, Like,

yeah, I can tell you that's cool. Well, I got to ask a few more questions about the motion capture thing, and then I want to pick your brain because I see you're very, very interested in UFOs, and I would I would like to get to the bottom of that. But I have to say, like, when I'm looking at your IMDb, you have

a laundry list of motion capture and I've always been very fascinated. I mean, me and Nick we just watched The Two Towers a few weeks ago, do you remember, and you were geeking out, like, you know, this is the first motion capture it ever, Like we just love that stuff, you know, we're talking about Smiegel. But when it says you do motion capture, like let's say I'm playing Devil May Cry five, right and Dante is spinning around doing these like Capo era kicks, are you really doing

that to an extent? So that's the beauty of motion capture is you have an assisted animator that's going to take your movements and take and go the extra the extra mile with it. So most of those really you know, flying through the air and doing those crazy moves. Uh. There, we do some of its wireworks. Some of it is just some basic ins and outs. So you start the movement and then then you kind of or you strike

a certain pose. And because there are a lot of it's not very exciting, you know, like Kung Fu movies, you see the guy in the wire and they're flying and doing some really amazing things and some green screen help

and whatnot. But when and when you're in motion capture, a lot of times you're just on like a a chair, like you know, like my rotating chair here, and you're just striking a certain pose and then you go to the next post and you're then then you the animators take over in between, and you sort of a lot of let me see if I can find my my characters here, but we got well, I'm sorry, my my

my figures. You know, this is a Bruce leefigure for example. So this is a standard on every motion capture set because you're you're you're trying to explain to the animators, Okay, he's going to do this and then he's going to go into a front tuck and then do this move and then like

that. So that's a lot of a lot of those extravagant moves are that and the goal is to have that seamless connection between the actual physical performance, which is one hundred percent real, you know when we're when the dialogue scenes. One of the reasons I think the motion capture technology works so well is it it is one to one. There's not much adjustment there other than the costumes and things like that. But you know, the performance is one hundred

percent there. And then when it goes to the crazy stuff, yes, there's animation help humans can't physically do that a lot of the times, but as much as we can do to help the animators out, and then as an action director or whoever's doing the choreography would then explain to the animators, and then it becomes a collaboration and then the animators like, well what if we did this, Yeah, let's do that, you know. So it's

it's a it's a team effort. So then my last question about that subject there in d m C five, when you get the hat of doctor Faust and Dante puts it on and does the Michael Jackson dance, did you do I did not do that dance. Now that dance is that was a that was not animated. That was I mean, there was a little animation over it. But they actually brought in a pretty famous Michael Jackson in Japanese. They called Mono money like an impersonator. So they brought in a Japanese Michael

Jackson professional dancer that that they captured him up and did all that. So again I handed it off. I just did the first couple of putting the hat on and then starting to move, and then then it's the other guy and then it seamlessly comes back to me. No, I I wish I could move like that. That was the best part of the game, dude, when that happened. I'm telling you, when that happened, I just sat there laughing maniacally like of course coming through and sometimes it translates, sometimes

it doesn't. Luckily that one, that's funny. I just saw a video today on TikTok, or maybe it was yesterday. I saw a video in a previous DMC. I haven't played the older one yet. I'm gonna work backwards, but I saw I saw one of Dante just like shredding an electric guitar, and I was like, oh my god, I've got a this is too much, but awesome. Amazing performance, amazing story, dialogue, the acting. Honestly, dude, I'm I'm not saying this because you're here.

You gotta believe me. It was just some of the most jaw dropping like voice acting like I believed it. Like the scenes. I don't know if you I don't know if you knew all the characters. I don't know how it works. I don't know if you met everybody. And yeah, yet capturing so cool. So Nico the girl who drives the bus something about the way they animated her face with the voice acting. I was like, wow, like this, this is just amazing. It was top notch,

ten out of ten. Highly recommend people out there. We're going to move on from the DMC topic. I had to hit that because you know, I'm a fan and it's super cool but amazing. I think it's on PS Plus and I think it's on game Pass. So if you're subscribed to PS plus or game Pass, you're out there, you want to check it out. It should be free. But anyway, awesome game. So now we

got to ask what's what what sparked your fascination in UFOs. Wow, well, having my sighting, I had a sighting in two thousand and seven while we're an Avatar Yeah right, was that the same year as your experience? Yeah, okay, yeah, two thousand and seven. I was working on Avatar at the time, so we just wrapped on Devil May Cry four, right, Yeah, we wrapped in four started working on Avatar the film. I was the main stunt Devil for Jake Selly. Oh my god, that's

amazing. So that's amazing. So again, motion capture, so I sort of got into that. I was one of the earlier performers in the motion capture space, because I had done resideval Code Veronica way back in the nineteen

ninety seven if you believe that, So then uh, I guess. And then I after and I was living in Japan at the time, and then I moved to this back to the States and started working on Power Rangers and in the early two thousands and and then I got called for some motion capture stuff just because at that time, especially in America, a lot of people didn't know what it was. Japan had sort of adopted using it in like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear and some of these you know doublem cries in the

cut scenes, right. It was more used for sort of creating deeper animation in a sense, because the hand animate all that stuff would take a long time. So they were like, let's just throw some motion capture sensors on

these guys and have them do the stuff. So I had that experience, and then I came back to the States and I was working on Power Rangers, and I got approached by the creative of Mortal Kombat, John Fias, and he was he had heard about my work and was casting the game and wanted me to help sort of put together a team of martial artists for the game. It was called Tao Fang. It never went anywhere but an old

Xbox when the Xbox first came out. So I got this reputation in Hollywood as the go to guy for motion capture because of just having the experience and understanding the technology and the limitations and the non limitations. You know, what is that space, what can we do and what we can do. So by the time Avatar was around and they were casting for that, everybody was throwing my name in the hat, saying, you got a call Ruben, he knows this stuff, he knows this stuff. And they had they were

doing testing and then they they eventually they called me in. I was working on Pirates of the Caribbean at the time, four at three and four in Yeah, Yeah, and they the the stunt corner, Garrett Garrett Warren. He he said, hey, I've you know, I've been hearing your name around. Why don't you come in. We're going to do some tests. And I went in and and I saw how Cameron was sort of losing his patience with a lot of the performers. You know, these were really good

star performers just because they haven't worked in that environment. They didn't understand the technology, the dudes and the don'ts. So it was quite intimidating for a new performer. For me, it was, you know, that's where I was living already for several years. I've been in that space. Uh So as soon as I got on set, I felt very comfortable. Cameron liked what what I was doing, and then I soon became, you know, the main stunt double for for Jake Sully. And it was while working on

that film. Uh. It was supposed to be a year sort of contract. It ended up being four years, and uh, and I was learning a lot about uh. You know, at that time, I was my goals in life were like to become an action star, you know, to be I was running a production my production company, doing motion capture video game stuff. I was just trying to do my best in that world as far

as you know, create awesome visual action. I was looking always looking outside the box of of what was sort of out there, uh, in the action world. Because I had lived and worked in Hong Kong and Japan and worked with Jackie Chan at the time before that, up to that we're in Hong Kong cinema, So I knew what like awesome action was and that was sort of my goals. But Cameron was giving me a notice to me at the time, an education on indigenous cultures we were learning we had to become.

In addition to the stunt double, I was also playing a lot of random NAVI characters, just the background stuff. So we're riding the horses. So whenever you know you saw a Navy in the background doing their thing, that was just a small group of us doing all the motion capture for several of those characters. That's the beauty of motion capture. You don't need to have a unique individual for each one of those characters. You can have three

guys who they render different looks. Yeah yeah, they do different looks, but the body can be the same. Performers just give us a different performance. So so Cameron want the being the guy. He's super attention to detail, so he was having us study and learn about different indigenous cultures from around the world. And in the studio we had pasted all over the walls.

There were all of these different pictures of different indigenous from Africa, America, South America, even some European like older Druids traditions, Asian Asian, so that we got to see their clothing and and it was sort of my job as an actor to learn and to authentically move like them, because that was

the nave. Even though there were sort of these space aliens, they had to move and act in a in a way that people resonated with and and sort of the base was was all the different indigenous cultures from around the world. So at that time I started studying indigenous cultures and seeing the similarities that they had in some of their beliefs, in some of their how they did

things, and I was starting to connect some dots. And then what we had at that time, YouTube was just coming out, and during the two thousand and six right so during the production of Avatar, we had a lot of downtime because at the time the motion capture technology, especially the way Cameron was using at the time, was very innovative, and he was pushing the machines to do as much as they possibly could, and they would often break

and filming. So whenever they break, you know, actors in the back, you know, we'd go hang out in the changing rooms and open up our laptops and check out, let's see what the what's going on on YouTube? And I got exposed to the two thousand and one doctor Stephen Grier's Disclosure Project, which was the first two hour conference, so to say. On you had folks from now and different whistleblowers sort of talking about the extraterrestial presence

and how it was real. And my mind was like, what, how did I miss this? And then then we saw films like The Zeitgeist and That's a change, and they were like opening my mind. What you know, nine to eleven wasn't what we were told. Uh, you know, the whole religion thing is is what's what are all these connections that are being made through through the different religions and the stars. Yes, it was.

It was quite mind bending at the time. Uh So I think it was just that that that uh colamation of of all these these different modalities and ideas and concepts that just broke my my brain open, uh to allow for this

experience. In two thousand and seven, I was at home one day, one of the rare days we had off we were sometimes working seven days a week on set, and I was catching up doing laundry and walked outside the laundry mat and looked up and I saw kind of a fleet of these little specs which looked like you know, stars in the sense if you were to look at a bright blue sky in the middle of the day. And there's been a lot of footage of like Mexico sidings. Even in New York they've

had sightings like this where these little dots show up in the sky. And my mind was blown. I was like, what is this? Is this, you know, a UFO event? Who else has seen this? And I thought at that time, Oh, this is it. The cats out of the bag. The whole world's going to know about UFOs, uh, and this is real. And then the next day it was nothing. You know, the news didn't cover it at all, and I was like, oh my god, I was I delusional, you know what? What was

going on there? And then that's when I started a deep dive into trying to figure out what I saw and uh and then realizing that, you know, there's a much bigger story here that's not being told, and that that propelled me into the rabbit hole of trying to figure out the phenomenon and my research so so I can kind of say, since two thousand and seven, I've been a pretty hardcore researcher into the phenomenon, trying to understand it while

trying to maintain my day job on these Avatar and other productions. And then eventually, now this is sort of my full time gig. Isn't that funny that while you had your citing, you were working as a spiritual alien and

pretty much it's where, yeah, that's where it's pretty weird. Life gets gets kind of weird where you're you know, I'm playing an alien, and then I see aliens, and then and then and then you try to tell the world about it, and to that, I kind of kept it under wraps till twenty ten, and then I went to as I went to one of doctor Greer's contact uh retreats CE five Close Encounters with the Fifth Kind retreats, and that that event just blew my mind because three nights in a row,

saw all sorts of stuff that could that could not have been. And I checked every every corner, every way it could have been like his career, uh, you know, putting lanterns in the sky as he orchestrating this, and there was there was no way I kind of did my due diligence in that regard and and came to the realization, Okay, the phenomenon is real and it's time to start talking about it. And that's when I came out after that that retreat, and I started sort of one in vocal that

one is real. That was the GRILL and that was Rio Rico, Arizona, not too far from the the Vatican Observatory sort of in that they have one there, and I think they also have one in Europe, but that was in that area. And and uh, and since then, I've been more vocal about it, thinking that at that time I was going to get canceled for my uh, you know, out outward vocalization on the subject.

But I was quite surprised that many people, especially in the video game world, they didn't think anything of it. They were like, oh, Rubens and DT's that's cool, so that's always fine. There's quite a thing you go ahead. I was just going to say, there's quite a bit of synchronicities between us. It's it's wild like our experiences started in the seven as well. And then I was going to say, I didn't realize you were so heavily involved in Avatar, Like I saw that in your IMDb, but

I didn't. I didn't put you know, there was so much. I'm looking at it one time and like it's just another funny little video game synchronosity. I actually just got the new Avatar game for Christmas, which is something that I've had on my queue to play. It's not related to the to the movies. It's it's like a spin off, but it's just kind of funny the timing right now. But I'm a huge fan of Avatary. That's

super cool that youre involved in that. It is. Yeah, Yeah, I've had a blessed life of being in different places on these bigger projects and interacting, you know, with guys like Cameron and yeah, it's it's been. It's been a blast. I can't no regrets. And so so you were it sounds like you were continually having experiences, probably even up to when you met Chris. Yeah. Yeah, so let me think that was two

thousand. I still, well, was it twenty twelve? Okay, that's where I thought, because it was before we did the Citizen here in on Disclosure and let me think twenty twelve, Yeah, that I was. I was doing the C five thing. I only did the one event with Career, but then I was on my own out sort of taking in some of the information and protocols that he hit set up and doing small groups, going

out and having experiences like that, nothing major. And then see was it twenty fourteen I had I had my own sort of contact experience with Amantis being and that was that really rocked my world again, sort of another level of confirmation that that this thing is, that the phenomenon is real and can go to that level, and that's it doesn't Maybe that was fifteen, but anyways, around that time, Yes, when you start doing the deep dive into

this stuff, whether whether like like Ryan and his family, you know, whether it comes to you or you go do it, you're gonna have some some some high strangeness come into your life. And it's investigating it. It's just it's like an odds game at that point. You're just eventually you're rolling the dice. You're going to hit a certain number. And I think that's what happens when for me anyways, being diving deep into it, just being around the people, uh, you know, like like yourself, Ryan and

your dad. I was emerging emerging immersing myself in in uh ufo uh therapy groups. I was interviewing, you know, producing the citizen here and disclosure with the different members of Congress and the different whistleblowers. So I was just sort of really deep in it and around all these experiences. So I think just by osmosis, it just kind of starts to come into your life in ways that you you're just like, Okay, yes, the stuff is real.

Which model put the genie back in the bottle. The phenomenon can appear in so many bizarre ways, Like some of my government friends, like like, for example, Colonel John Alexander. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but one of the things I may have met the gathering. Yeah cool, cool. I didn't remember he was there, but yeah, he was there. He was there, and it was I remember all the jokes

about him, uh doctor death. Yeah, yeah, don't don't careful what you divulce to him, because careful even a drink out around a mill poison you. Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff. There's all kinds of stuff. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, one of the things he told us was like at Skinwalker Ranch, obviously everybody knows that that is they they see beings that look like kind of like wolf beings. And you hear stories of like people and indigenous tribes doing ayahuasca down in you know, South America,

and they all similar. Like you can have like groups of people doing ayahuasca and they experienced some sort of crocodile entity. Like I definitely think that there are forces of nature that can appear to us as beings of nature. You know, I've heard several people, not just you, but several others have come to me at some point and said they've seen some sort of mantis being or some sort of this or that, and it's it's it's very bizarre,

but like, yeah, that that definitely, that's very interesting. So when you say you had an experience, was it like in the wake state? Was it? What was that? Like, Yeah, I want to know more. That sounds super interesting. Yeah, it was. I remember it was a lunar eclipse the week before. And again this all kind of made sense after the fact, but the week before, and this is in Big Bear. I live in Big Bear, California, which is about two and

a half hours outside of La in the mountains, our ski hill. We have kind of known for our southern California ski hill. And this was summer, I believe, summer getting into fall. I had gone out to Hulkum Valley and was out in the woods meditating on a rock and this image of sort of the back of the head of a mantis being in a sense, and and it popped into my mind's eye and I was like, oh, this is this is interesting. I had never experienced that before, and I

remember my thought process at the time. I was curious. I wasn't scared, so the the being in a sense, and this this image of my mind's eye turned and looked at me and I could see its eyes and I just kind of got lost in its eyes because of the It was almost like, I want to say, kind of a honeycomb or or you know when you get oil and water and it has these like the oil bubbles where it separates, yeah, in the rainbow colors oil FLI yeahs like kind of stuff.

I remember the just the number of colors that were being reflected from these eyes, and I just in my mind's eye this again, this is just a meditational rock. And I sort of went into it, just getting really again curious and trying to understand what I was scene, and then it just went away, and I was like, well, that's that was really interesting.

That's crazy. I'd never experienced that before. Okay whatever. A week later, lunar eclipse, I go up to for a hike with some friends and and at this point I'm pretty into meditation and and and exploring guided meditations, and especially during times of like lunar eclipses or solstices or at that time, I had already I had already had several ayahuasca experiences with shamans, so it was very into sort of samonic work in practicing that. I'm going to

ask what that was like if we could come back to that later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just my girlfriend at the time and and another friend we went up to do some meditation on the rock and watch the lunar eclipse. And I remember feeling a little weird and I was like, man, what is this kind of heavy feeling? And I was like, this is in our friend. She was elderly. She was also feeling very unsettled, and we we almost as as the lunar clips was sort of happened.

It was almost right at at dusk and ah, and she was kind of like, I don't feel good, Let's go. And I was like, yeah, I'm not feeling so hot. Let's let's get going. And we sort of watched the the eclipse and I remember seeing it was kind of one of those blood moon kind of things and then beautiful, gorgeous eclipse. But got into the car and I was starting. I was like, okay,

let's let's get home. I'm feeling kind of off too, and I remember before even starting the car, I started clicking my teeth started like chattering, like kind of like this uncontrollably yeah, and that was kind of shaking. I was like, what the hell's going out of here? I was feeling kind of queasy, and I was like, okay, yes, let's just go home. Something weird is happening. And then my girlfriend was like you're okay. I'm like I let's just go home. And it was only like

a fifteen minute drive. Got home and my girlfriend and our friend they went in the kitchen and I just went to bed. I was like, I don't feel good, guys, I gotta go lay down. And in that time, which felt it felt like about an hour, it may have been

a lass. Maybe it was more around that time, the clicking and the clapping and the shaking just got really out of control, and I was literally flopping around like a fish on my bed and all of this and that being, this this mantis being sort of had we had a telepathic communication going,

and that's when I knew telepathic communication was real. I kind of had felt some of that telepathic stuff from my aahuasc experiences, so I was a little bit sort of in tune or trained on that, but this was like a

full lot. I'm like, what is going on here? So I started having this dialogue telepathically with this being, asking all kinds of questions because at this time, I'd already started my show interview with Ed asking about the different archetypes of the ets, you know, like the repillions and Palladians, and I was sort of asking questions about the about humanity and what is you know, some of the things that came through my show, some of the questions

I had in my show, I was sort of like touching on some of those subjects, you know, what is what is going on here? And I remember the being sort of sharing with me this the grand experiment of humanity and what this was, and that can remember correctly, the some of the ideas and concepts that were kind of coming to me was that this was an agreement, Like I remember, it was pretty specific, and later I got into my show about this, but I was asking about or I was sort

of told about there's this the Draconians. And this is again my understanding at that time because doing the deep dive into the show and ET's and the different races and all this stuff, you start conforming ideas about what it all is, and to make sense of it, you started putting labels on things.

Right, So I have a more fluid understanding of things now, but at the time it served so basically at the time, it was just you know, I made that disclaimer because I have a little bit different belief system now, but I respect that you went out of your w to explain that. Yeah, sorry, I just I just didn't want anybody to take what I'm saying like as as the gospel truth or what you know, this is what

Reuben believes, because it's not. Things evolve in time. Over time, as you get exposed to the phenomen you understand things deeper, you understand. Okay, well, I had a label for something that I it makes sense to me what you're saying. Yeah, okay, great, uh so, but at that time my understanding, So what what De Mantis was sort of letting me know was there's a you know this, you cron we we understood, we have terms right in this in this uphology, mythology, cosmo uh

cosmology of the Reptilians in the Draco's right. And what they had sort of told me is this faction within the DraCos. So the Draco's have been this again, this is in the lore. I'm just going to explain my understanding of of the what other people have said, and then and then we can go from there, but that these Draco's have been coming and going here on Earth for a long time, and they in the galaxy sense, they've been

out there doing their thing. They're sort of dominating different races and different groups, and they have this classic image of the reptilian, this that we that we understand, and because of their attachment to the material, they've only been able to go so far in their evolution, so they sort of hit a wall where they can where they're super smart, super mental. They have this mental capacity like no other race. But they're because of that they can again,

they can only evolve so much. So what was what they were trying to tell me is this group within the Draco actually we're tired of that sort of archetype. They wanted to go beyond that, but they couldn't because of the structure of of of their race or something like that. So so an agreement was made with a more feminine energy. And at the time I was thinking palladium, and I think it's a combination of beans, not just limited

to Palladian. But that was sort of the concept. So they distress call was sort of put out two from these this faction to merge or to ask for help in the evolution. And that's where the grand experiment of my cat's trying to get the feature of the cat. What's I have to know? It's Odin. Nice, Madam Holman. Nice. Actually uh El Gatto showed up for me as Odin, which is as interesting started as Merlin and emerged

into Odin. But going back to this this idea of what Earth is and what this experiment is is that and this is what was being told to me by this this mantis being, was that the Earth one of many things, has many roles, but one of the roles that was here was this this merging of of these consciousnesses to help these reptilians so to say, evolve, And so they an agreement was made to come here, to create this realm where they could sort of forget their past and merge with other energies and and

see if they could break the the spell, so to say. So and I know that's a ton of stuff, but that was sort of my And again, this wasn't in words. This was in images and feelings and sensations. And that was my translation of that event. And later in my show, I actually interviewed synchronistically two people who had claimed to have interactions with mantispins, and I sort of didn't tell my story. I kind of wanted to

pick their brains. So as part of my show in season one, some of the last episodes, and I'm sort of fine, I'm pulling things out of them and they're telling me stuff, and you see my eyes why go wide Because some very specific things that they said resonated with like this this telepathic communication. So it was kind of like my own version of cross checking. What I was getting is is in a sense truth. Most people would hear that story and say, Ruben, that shit crazy. What are you talking

about now? You strike me as someone who's very sane, not in this world. Yeah no, yeah. So so that was sort of that Mantis event, And after that, while doing ayahuasca ceremonies, I've had some other interactions where they've come into the room and sort of seeing their seeing them while on the medicine. That was pretty intense. So what I've done DMT, and I know it's similar to ayahuasca, it's like derived, it's basically dmt's

in ayahuasca, but I know that the actual experience is radically different. Like DMT for me was like six minutes. I know ayahuasca could be hours and hours. What was that like, I'm very curious. Oh man, I don't think one any I've I've I've probably had about twenty or thirty. Oh my. I was still in a documentary around that for a while and I had to put on the shelf. But because of so for several years, I was sort of there was like two years there where I was it was

almost like every other week I was in ceremony. So I've had a lot of wild experiences with the medicine on that, and I think it's a great modality. It's a great medicine, you know, teacher and uh once once you sort of they always say once, even if you've only done ayahuasca once.

Once you make that connection to Pachamama, you know, grand grandmother uh Earth, you know Mother Earth, Gaya, that energy that that comes through during those experiences, you're always with her and you can kind of ask her for guidance and stuff without even being on the medicine. And I've found that

true. So it is a very sacred connection. That is I don't think I think we all have it. I think sometimes just taking that that chemical medicine right that helps jolt your your body and your soul into remembering those connections. But it was, it has been a profound experience, and I can't you know, no two experiences has been the same. It's been a different and experience every time. So I don't know, I other than we could

probably randomly pick an experience and I could go down and the lessons. But it's it's very powerful stuff. Is it like eyes open looking around you? Is it like eyes closed? What's what's that like? Most Most of the time, it's it's sort of in eyes closed and sort of you're in your own inner journey. But it's very visceral. It's very you know, when I meditate and sort of get images and on spts perhaps that come through for

my well being. I would say they're they're kind of it's like you know, looking at an old SD video where it's kind of fuzzy and you know, sometimes black and white and you're getting you're getting the information. But when when I'm on the medicine, it's like HD four K four K virtual reality, like it's it's there and it's the lessons, uh, and the information is just super clear as opposed to sort of you know, my own personal meditations, uh trying to get the information. So in that sense, uh,

it's I think it's it can be very powerful. I have seen a lot of uh, not so good situations depending on the people, So I

would because of that, I say it's not for everyone. Please, you know, do your own homework and and use caution when entering into those spaces, especially these days, because a lot of those spaces have been they're not being as contained sacredly as perhaps before because it wasn't such a household name or household word, so there was less people doing it, and it seemed like the people that were doing it back in the day were very studied and researched.

And now because it's become so such almost like a pop culture thing, right, So with that comes less responsibility or less attention to detail. And in those spaces, you know, I always I say those spaces, it's a two way pump. So of course you can get really amazing good information and good entities coming into your space, but if they're not held in a sacred way and certain precautions taken, then darker things also can slip through,

and often do. But it's the shamans that have the ability to understand, okay, this is this is a more of a negative or dark energy, so we're going to put that where it needs to go over here. And they have that ability because they're trained, they've been doing this for years, where these newer you know, someone who probably has done twenty or thirty aahuasca ceremonies like myself, and like, oh I'm a shaman, now we go, let's go, and they just don't have the experience to navigate those spaces.

And I've seen people get in a sense get injured psychologically from some of some of the from them dabbling in those spaces, So just use caution and do your research. I would one hundred percent agree, just speaking from like d MT and even like psilocybin mushrooms, like it's like proven scientifically that it does not have harmful effects to the body. But you know, if you're getting into that and you know you're not prepared and you don't understand what it's

gonna be like, it definitely could be a psychological shock. It's not something to be taken lightly. But when used properly, I think it's an incredible life changing, mind altering tool, both psilocybin, d MT, ayahuasca, whatever, and it's definitely changed changed my life. I mean it was it was a wild, wild experience. My friend that put me through it was like, it's it's uh, I can't remember exactly what you said. It's like, it's it's better than any roller coaster you've ever been on. Can

it could? It could be terrifying as well if you're not it can yes, but aren't roller coasters kind of terrifying sometimes you know you're falling. Yeah, it's it's definitely crazy, man, Wow, So you said that you were sort of understanding things better now than you were then. So where are you at now? Well, I still have been continuing my research and I and I have my show Interview with Ed where I interview people who channel different

beings and uh, sort of collecting all of that data. And what I've come to the understanding is, is is all of this? I think? I think you know, there's a there are universal truths that we can see the overlapping and and different belief systems, and and how different stories and and and archetypes sort of hold depending on people's individual and collective beliefs. But then there are individual truths that are no matter what the collective truth is, there

are the individual truths that are absolute utely per that individual absolute truth. You know, you could you know, you can't, even if it may not be my truth, that person and you cannot deny their experience or what they're what they're seeing or experience or believing I should say, that's the word believing.

So I tried to relax my understanding of even like this idea of the Draconians, right, I think that's someone's interpretation of that experience or that word like, for example, I had that that that Mantis what I believe, you know, what I interpret as a visitation from Romantis being because of the images I saw and all these things and the research I've done. So that's that's created that belief. And then I can explain it in the way I

am if someone else had a different belief structure and had that experience. And actually, this is one of the things that happened, was I felt from that being, this this unconditional love, this this deep this a deep, deep love that I don't know if I felt from another being, uh, you know, any being alive in this realm. And and I attributed that to angels, and I'm like, does that mean you're an angel? And

then they were sort of telepathical saying similar but not quite. But we often get we often get that people often think we're angels because but that realm is different. We come from a different realm, but we still hold that unconditional love for for all of you know, God's creations. And uh so, one one, depending on your belief system, one one person may actually say that, Okay, that was an angel. One person might say it was

a demon, you know, disguised as an angel. Uh. So there's so many different belief these systems, and not to invalidate one or the other. I think it's show. I think the phenomenon shows up to us based on our belief systems. And I and that's why I'm careful about projecting or saying, you know, this mantis being this story, because I want to leave room for the fluidity for that story to grow or go a different direction

based on the observer or the experiencer and how they might see it. And because if I, if I'm so solidified on mine, this is what happened to me, and this is what the way it was, and this is this and this is the story and that's it, then don't you don't leave room for growth for for more? And and I believe there's a lot more to the phenomenon into what we're as we're moving through our space time realm here, we are evolving, we're evolving or understanding of what the phenomenon is.

We're realizing it's not just you know, little gray beans and spacesuits, you know, flying around and metallic ships, but it's it's much more than that. And so I'm always just careful and I want to leave room for more for not being fixated on any of that stuff every time throughout my life being like, you know, my dad's always been a public figure in this, and I've only come around on the internet recently since I've been an adult,

you know. But every time I've thought that, I've had the phenomenon like pretty well figured out. They do some shocking thing that's like, oh, here's another magic trick to shatter your mind and leave your brains on the floor. Like you know, I've had I've had them moo at me like a cow. I've had I've seen the entire skyflash while seeing orbs. I'm telling you, like I swear to god, it sounds crazy. I have seen the entire sky flash. I've seen the sky open up and things shoot out.

I've seen seen so many crazy things, and I'm like, I mean, you're running out of ways to shock me here, you know, Like I totally get it. It's like, yeah, there's so many people out there who think aliens they you know, they come from another place, but I mean, yeah, they come from another place, but it's like a magical dimension, you know. And I think I think what you're saying, you put it very well, it's like they do tend to appear different ways

to different people. I don't know one hundred percent that they only appear based on our belief system, but I know that they appear different ways to different people, you know. And and also regionally, I think the beliefs of

the region have something to do with it too. But then there are beings that are outside of that, and I think, like you said, those universal objective truths that are like let me, let me put it like this, from my understanding speaking with Jim Simme Van, I'm not sure if you're familiar with this figure, but he's a very high ranking part of it. To the stars and right he still is. But he told me one time we were at a private party, actually the guy who hosted the gathering.

We were at his house, at his brother's house. Actually we were at his brother, his twin brother's house, and we were having an Easter party in Colonel Alexander and Jim Simmy Van was there and my family was there, and I was picking his brain. Probably my favorite part about growing up being questioned and interrogated and prodded by people in the intelligence communities is I didn't give

a shit who they were. I asked, whatever a question I wanted to ask, you're coming to me. I have questions too, you know. And I didn't play the whole like yes, sir, you know, like you're this and I, you know, won't no. I rocked the boat and I straight up, I straight up asked him. I didn't say the

word Illuminati, but I was like, is there a shadow government? And it's funny because when you ask these people in these positions certain questions you can, especially studying psychology and learning about like microaggression, not microaggressions, micro expressions. You see the look on their face where they're like, oh, you know, certain questions and he gets this little smile and he's like, yeah,

I've rubbed some shoulders with some people in the shadow government. And I said something like I don't remember the question I asked, but the answer he gave me about the phenomenon was what they understand in these programs in the Department of Defense. This is like, this is like high level what the US government believes, told to me by a CIA official. They believe that there

are levels two dimensional existence. It's like a spectrum like where we are you could say we're like base you know, we're like material beings in the material world. You know, we have esp psychic phenomenon, but we're not very far up that sliding scale of existence. And the higher you go up the spectrum of existence, they become more thought based. It's like it's like a

continuum of evolution of beings and consciousness. And they believe, based on their observation that there are beings that are so powerful that they exist purely in the form of thought, and that through thought alone, they can destroy worlds straight up. He told me that. He's like, yeah, there's races of beings like the Lady that they can just destroy worlds with their thoughts. And we're you know, what can we do about that? And yeah, that's

that's just interesting that like it would appear to you a certain way. And then I've heard people say, you know, it appears like they said, it's skinwalker, like a wolf. But everything in my family, everything we've seen has been pure light, you know. So it's like and and I I'd like to piggyback on that just because to play devil's advocate in a sense, because that that absolutely so, like I was saying, these these draco's, like we have the name for the draco's right, So their thought and

again you don't have to picture them as reptilians. You can just think about their that archetype of beings that are so attached to the physical, and the physical is attached to the mind, and the mind is yes, so powerful that they can manifest or unmanifest, destroy with with the power of thought. And that is in the evolutionary stream that those specific beings. And I would say the beans that hang out in the US government and the military like that,

they they go in that stream because they're very mind oriented. Right, It's all about strategy and how do we overpower our adversaries with might, with physical brute force and strategizing about you know, using weapons and tactics and these types of things. Now, I would say probably this is my guess with the lady that when you say, the lady, you were talking about the being that your dad interacted with. I would say, this is just what

my intuitiveness says. That being is more of a heart centered being, a being that would of course have mental abilities, but the evolutionary path was more geared into the heart, and we now know through like heart math and other Greg Braden and other researchers that the heart actually contains more. I forget the type of neurons its right, then there's eighty thousand neurons on the heart and that's a different evolutionary path where beings that are more heart center do have.

You know, there is a connection to the mental capacity, but it becomes less of a strategizing of overpowering one or another, but more of an inclusive sort of we're all in this together, how do we help each other kind

of thing, So that's more harmonious. Yeah, and I think that's where a lot of the indigenous cultures were more connected to on that path of evolution, where where we've had where we've seen other sort of conquering civilizations that are more on the mental side, you know, Yengis Khan or Napoleon or something like that. So I would say there's a balance in the universe between these concepts of heart and mind, and where I hope to see humanity evolve into

is more in the heart centeredness of things. So we're not because when you get stuck in the mind, it can be quite destructive. M Yeah, like the ego, you know, and for anybody out there listening and being like, whoa, this is weird. I mean to me, it sounds like just it just sounds like another skin. It sounds like another choice of words to describe the doctrine of the esoteric philosophy, which is like we're supposed to be reducing the ego and living in you know, some people say christ

consciousness. It's just like it's literally like you said, it's just heart centered. It's love and compassion and unity. And it's like we can we can have all these different words for you know, the Buddhists would call the beings devas right, or Christians would say angels, or Irish would say fairies or whatever. But it's like, I don't like the people are so stuck on the what do we call it? What is the word? It's like,

forget about that. What's the meaning? Right? You quoted something recently in an episode. When you give something a name, you lose it or something something. It's from the dow. It's the towel, the dow, the towel whatever. That's like they say, like when you when you try to name the force, God whatever, this ineffable energy, when you try to name it, when you try to put it in a boundary, you push

it away, you've lost it. You don't understand it anymore. Even the in the Kabbala episode we were talking about how they believe, like like how dare you essentially, like how dare you try to understand? Yeah? God, like even even what God's name is, like, how dare you? You know, Like it's it's kind of an overlap between a lot of different cultures that like you're just not gonna get it, Like there's no getting it.

You could get a version of it, and like the core of it is could be true, but like like you said, different skins, you know, yeah, from video game terminology, different skins, right, different you know, it's you, we're saying the same thing, and like you know, that's that's that's really found the way you put it that way, like heart centered And it's funny that you say that because the lady told my dad that she is the manifestation of the universal force of love. Come on

now, heart centered. We're getting a lot of overlap. Yeah, that that's uh. That During my exploration into this you know, wacky world of paranormal from the phenomenon, to me, that's been sort of the to categorize. And again, even like you were saying, to label, to categorize is not is sort of doing an injustice to the to the phenomenon itself,

but just to better navigate those worlds. And what I've noticed is there is a distinction between the different beings or energies that go more into the mind than and the ones that go more into the heart. Not to say that one is lacking or has no heart or has no or like the heart centered beings have no mind. That of course, that those are aspects that we all have, you know, as humans, we we it's it's mind, body, soul, right, So we're constantly fluctuating between the physical and non physical

and and then the mental and then the heart. So it's just a way, especially of late, because we have so many we have so many mental hoops to go through in our societal affairs and news cycles and and all the stuff that's going on. What I found is a great uh sort of filter.

If my mind can't figure it out, then I just I bring whatever subject matter you know, or whatever I'm sort of contemplating, you know, go sit in meditation, try to get out of my head and just bring it into my physical being, my actual heart and meditation, and I feel what that feels like, and I bring in the emotions and then that helps

me make in a sense, clear decisions. And a lot of times my heart says, you're not don't don't go there right now, or just don't you know, don't don't go If you can't come with a clear decision, it's not time. And then I think that's where the heart is more relaxed in that sense, it doesn't have the heart doesn't have to figure it out, as they're trying to say before trying to add a name to these different

beings or whatever it is. In the heart space, it's like, it's okay, just allow it to be what it is, and if you can't figure it out now, eventually you will eventually, but you have to give that allowance and you and you can't be so quick to label it. And that's what goes back to the whole Mantis thing, and why I made that disclaimer is because that's my understanding now Mores is to get less out of the head and trying to put names and labels on everything that happened, and just

be more in the heart. That's really cool because even if you can't name something, your heart will still feel something towards it, like you're following your raw intuition. And I really like your viewpoint in general, because a lot of people may here like, don't even try to give it a name, like you know the whole how dare you even try to? And that might deter them from trying to learn more about different interpretations of this, of the

phenomenon of different cultures or what have you. But I think it's kind of clicking with me now that it's it's actually it can be really good to learn a lot of that stuff without attachment. Yeah, the point is to keep an open mind. I love that. The point is to keep the cup

empty. Yeah, that's that's fascinating. It's it's the attachment that that brings kind of like the chaos, the confusion that that's that's really That's what I really love about your dad's message is you have all these sort of military guys and and people, the nuts and bolts guys trying to figure it out right and trying to they're so they want to label it right, and your dad

just kind of keeps throwing them curve all. It's like, well, it's you know, it is what it wants to be, and you know, and it's it's just I feel your dad has such a big heart in this and and uh and I'm I'm excited that he's getting the attention he is through by these different agencies and groups and and folks because for so long, those those groups, those people have been in a in a search, in a mental search for the phenomenon and they and they end up getting what they asked

for, you know, they're they're you know, uh what what's his name? Alex Crowley? And and these Alex Crowley And yeah, did you hear that Alex Alex Crowley. We have a joke on our show. His name, our producer's name is Alex, and I call him alexter Crowley. That's pretty funny. That just happened. We all heard that. Alex is here. He's not miked up, but he just heard that. Alex Crowley confirmed who is the There was another sort of Jackson Parson's that's right, Jack Parsons,

Jack Parsons of JPL, Jeff propolsonal labages. He created that. Yeah, so you have those cats, right, and we know that world and they're going down that sort of mental path and they're interracting with beans that that that's grays come from. That's a large percentage of them. Yeah, I think not all of them, but I mean, like the first representation in

history, like the first ever understanding of gray was from Alistair Crowley. He in the forties, he channeled, Uh he believed obviously you know this is aw speculation and it's from writings from almost one hundred years ago, but he believed that he channeled with this entity called iwas And when he was doing one of his channeling sessions, he drew this is a hand drawing from Aleister Crowley. It's just like a gray being and his name is lamb l A M.

And that's that's the first ever depiction of like a gray alien. Was actually like a really dark channeling session from a cult, a dark occultist of course. I mean, yeah, and have the during the Nazieria, you know, the Aldebaran group through the Virial society, and they're connecting into those darker beings that are giving them technologies to create you know, war machines. So these are and that's why I feel it's like maybe you've heard the term

what you put out is what you get back. And that's sort of the idea that the people who are seeking this information through whatever esotery practices that they have, whether it's channeling or seances or or conjuring up these beings, they're going to get sort of these heavier, darker beings that come through and give give them what they what they're asking for. You know, that doesn't mean

all the beans are that way right exactly. It means that those specific people with those specific agendas are seeking certain things and they're going to get it. And and to keep an open mind and an open heart that when we want to connect to more heart centered beings and we don't have an attachment to a specific outcome for you know, we just want to the betterment of humanity and

ourselves and our families, then different types of beings show up. And that's maybe when we get like the bull and the woman who shows up for your dad. And I think these are conversations that need to be had in the collective a little bit more because unfortunately a lot of those more negative oriented or I should say, uh not pro humanity. Uh folks who are have the talking piece right now, are are the ones that are sort of talking.

You know, you have Tucker Carlson, who's very I think, very pro humanity, but he's he's been interacting as well as you guys and many other people who interact with some of these government groups and uh and there's a lot of talk about darkness and evil and and and it's a spiritual war, and there's a lot of negative speak about the phenomenon uh and and I believe it's all absolutely true, But I think simultaneously we need to be having the light

question about that there are equally if not greater light beings and and other entities that do have the best of humanity in mind for for it's growth, spiritual and physical growth, and how we can get to that place where where we are in a better place to do things. So I don't know, I'm probably going off to me, no, no, I'm that's okay. That was very profound. Man. I really was picking up as you were putting down there, and I was just thinking I would be I don't know how

busy your schedule is. I probably could imagine it's extremely insane, but I would be really interested to see some time where you fly out and hang out with us and we SkyWatch. I bet, I bet we'd have some wild sightings. That's that's something that we should talk about in the future. Yeah, absolutely, I do. I haven't so much this year, but I

often do so. Uh. You know Steven Greer and his protocols. And it was funny because when I had your dad on, I think when I first reached out him, I'm like, oh, I see you've been doing a lot of summony and he said, I don't like that word so many and uh, and I was like, oh, perfect, I understand because you know that that it does come. It's a it's a loaded word. It is when especially in the religious contexts and these types of things. But

I do sort of my version of of that. I'm not anywhere as your dad definitely is tapping into something very unique. But we often in my local communities here we do skywatches or I got it contact work essentially, and it's it's using some of Guer's original protocols but sort of taking it to the next level with meditation, sound calling in the right you know, setting the field of intention and when you get a group, especially when there's more people involved.

I've noticed the the the likelihood of the phenomenon showing up seems to be especially if everybody's in sane. Now, if you do have one, if there's one person in the group that is not on the same page, it will the phenomena won't show up. And the messages I've got is they're not in the fear making business, at least the ones that we're trying to call in, they're not. They They they stay away because they know some people might be triggered in that fear sense. So if but if you're if everybody

can be sort of open minded and open hearted to call them in. We've had some wild sightings out here in California. I had I had so I mean Ryan and I met around thirteen something like that. The first time that I went to his house, and for the first multiple years of me knowing about this subject matter, I was terrified and like, you know, I don't know why. It was just I don't know, maybe it was a religious trauma thing, who knows. But I didn't start having sightings and experiences

until the fear went away. The fear went away, that's when I start seeing things. And now and what you're saying with like, if everyone's not on the same page. Oh yeah, Chris will make sure everybody's on the same page. Hey, cut the football. Chat's let's focus, let's let's look up, let's focus our thoughts, our feelings, our emotions, let's pray. You know. Like what you're saying is dead on. And from

what I've experienced, yeah, it's true. And we have had situations even recently where there have been skeptics in the group and we still see something. But I mean, that's that's a deeper philosophical question because some of these people, I think, depending on how they act, deserve to be shocked a little bit. Like from what I understand, the beings aren't in the business

of breaking people's free will, you know. And like Dad was recently at a like a fifty plus person groups group, what do you call, alex it was, you were there. It was a convention, right, It was like a small convention about seventy people, and there was a very audible rude skeptic in the group, and they would be seeing orbs as a group, and then the guy would vocalize and he'd say it's a firefly, it's a satellite whatever, you know, and it would disappear, and Dad would

say I don't remember. I mean Alex could attest to what he said. I wasn't there, but he would get the group refocused. They would start seeing things. And it's just like sometimes even with a skeptic present or just a negative nancy, it still can be seen, but it dims the experience overall. There was another thing I did recently with Dad, and like nine other people were there. We were out on the beach here and there was

a skeptic in the group who still saw things. And he left just like arm around us in the photo, big believer, like his wife dragged it or she was a big believer. He didn't want anything to do with it. He wouldn't get in our group photos at first. By the end of the night he was all I want to be in the picture. It was

awesome, But generally that is true and like experience. Yeah, and I think we're we're getting to I mean, just now they're talking about you know, beans in the Miami malls, right, so we're having uh, we're having I think we've hit I think what's happened in Congress, you know, last summer with David Grush and David Fraverer and and Ryan graves testifying and the news cycles, uh with you know Rogan and and others, you know,

doing the podcast and talking about this subject. And it's sort of it's seeding the collective now where I think we've hit that critical mass of of it's no longer a question of of you know, are they real or not? So this sort of have you heard that story? Uh? I think it was

in what the bleep? Where like when the the I don't know if it's the Mayflower whenever the ships first were coming, you know, Columbus and the ships were first come, I mean over and the natives were they were sort of parked outside a little bit away offshore, but they were just sort of parked there for several days and the natives couldn't even see it. They couldn't

even see the ships. And it wasn't until the shaman went into a trance, the shaman of the village or whatever and then actually had the concept of what they were and then told the villagers, hey, there's something out there. You know, there are ships or there beings or other physical humans not from our lands, but they're out there. And then and then it was once it was sort of said, then the natives could see the ships and then and then sort of it took several days for that for that to sort

of happen. So here's that analogy that if enough people, if it's not in their consciousness, if it's just outside of their worldview, then were you know, even though they may be there, you can't see them. So as as we're seeding the collective with this idea that this stuff is real, guys, take you know, this is not video games, this is not you know, movies, this is not make believe. There are real beings

from other dimensions all around us all the time, all the time. The more the more that seeds into the collective consciousness, the more they're actually showing up, or the more we can actually see them. They've probably always been there, but where we can now acknowledge the fact that it's real. And and I think we're at that place now where we've we've hit that critical mass

in a sense where where now it's like anything goes. I think the phenomenon is going to continue to show up in the malls or wherever however it decides to show up. And I think people are going to be taking it seriously now and and We're going to have our share of hoaxes. And you know, I'm still you know, uh, the Miami thing is a whole other rabbit hole we can go down. But there's gonna be hoaxes. There's going

to be taking false flag stuff. That's what the that's what the primary message to my dad from the lady was that they are going to commit a mass deception. And in the final stages of this information, I mean it's on the cusp of breaking out. And I mean I've I've been like buried deep down in a vault of the UFO of subjects since two thousand and seven, you know, with my family being prodded by the Department of Defense. I mean, we've been in the heart of it. And I have seen looking

around me people I know out in the world. I have seen people very gradually until recently, very exponentially, just begin to rapidly shift to where it's all anyone's ever talking about anymore, you know. And my point is, I think you're exactly right. I was just on Danny Jones last month, as you know, I mean, we I know you saw it and you're aware of that, but I was just on there and one of the things I said on there, and he put the clip out, and I've been

sharing the clip. I said that that's the way, as I understand it, that the phenomenon is going to the grand reveal. Right, it's like they're not in the business of breaking our free will. That people always ask. One of the main questions we get. We get a thousand different cookie cutter questions, over and over and over. You know, what the craft look like, what the being look like, this, that, and the other. And one of the questions is why don't they just appear for everybody?

And my answer to that was, I, you know, they're not in the business of breaking free will. And as I understand it, the game is once the majority of the collective consciousness, like say fifty one percent or above, understands and is aware of this phenomenon and to some capacity acknowledges and believes that it is there, then I think it's free game poof you know what I mean. But right now it's not the collective exactly like you said, I'm a one hundred percent in line. I'm very pleased that you

said that too. I mean, it's very synchronistic. But yeah, and

I think especially for the well, I think for either either side. So if we're talking about different sides of the phenomenon, whether it's like we were saying, the heart center or the more mental center beans, I think either way, it's my understanding from my interactions that if one side, say the negatively oriented beings, sort of push that free will envelope a little bit where they show up or do things in a sense against the free will of general

humanity or certain individuals, then that gives a permission slip for the Light to come in and sort of do damage control. So there's a that's the universal balance that we have is and sometimes those rules are broken, you know, and then damage you know, clean up crews come in and fix the situation and vice versa. And I think that's why the Light is very careful because they know if they break that that agreement, the free will agreement, then

some really nasty things could come in. So it's this this power game of groups that are you know, wanting to uh steer and manipulate humanity and to their own liking, but they have to there's still rules of engagement, so to say that they have to play by. Are we talking about Star Wars, because it sounds so much like the Force, like the Jedi and the Sith. That's that's like our most referenced pop culture thing on this show. And I think it's like it's one of the most pure examples of that like

psychic download and the core truth being leaked into fiction, you know. But I mean, yeah, I was just listening and I was like, okay, check check, Like it's it's very similar to the Balance of the Force, and that story is told time and time and time and time again. I mean, if you kind of think about it in a way like even Dante's Inferno with with Dante and his brother is Virgil, right, it's I That's what I meant. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but that's where the

game comes from. He's descending in exactly. But in Devil May Cry. Uh, you know, that's kind of like Cain and Abel, like the good, the evil, the brothers, like the it's the constant, yes, yes, the duality, you know. It's it's just so funny. I was like, this is Star Wars, you know, but it's real.

It's well, that's what I'm saying. That's I think why Devil May Cry has that appeal on a subconscious level, because these are these are storylines that are seated in our DNA, and as we explore them more will find out maybe more more truth and you know, human origins and where all that, how that all comes into play. But yeah, we you know, this is why our science fiction reflects real life and vice versa, and those worlds are getting pretty dicey as far as the line, yeah, the line

is blurred. Yeah, very much, very much. Absolutely. I have to ask, what's your martial art background? So I started with well, as a young kid, I had a little bit of taekwondo experience, and then moved to Japan at the age of nineteen and ended up studying aikdo. That was pretty pretty easy to access out there, so I learned some good rolling skills and then my drive into wanting to be more cinema oriented. Aikdo there's you know, only so much. The roles are good, but other

than that, it's not. There's not a whole lot of kire some punches. I mean, Segaul did a good job of making a cinematic look good on film, but I was looking for more. So I started a big fan of Bruce Lee. As you can tell with the got into gi kundo and awesome learning learned uh you know, wing wing some wing chung basics and uh and then kicking with taekwondo, and and then once you go into the action cinema world. I just I was like a sponge just absorbing every martial

art that I could possibly get my hands on. But I would say probably the the one I stayed the most diligent with was different forms of karate, chot con and and uh some some judo jiu jitsu and uh and then aikido. Those are kind of my my main more Japanese arts because that was where I was based, even though I went to Hong Kong for for a minute and work there. But yeah, that's awesome, a little bit of everything. Yeah, yeah, very very colorful rainbow of martial arts there. I

actually studied wing chun for four years. Oh wow. Yeah, I love it, love it to death. And you kundo obviously because of the connection there with Bruce Lee. Very cool. I know they also do chisol which is awesome but super cool. And then I guess, uh, I have to say, before we started, you you said you had some questions for

us. Do you still have to feel like there's anything you wanted to ask us, Well, I do know, well, since you mentioned you know, Jim Simmy van Jim and that I would say that that crew of uh former c I A or current c I A, because what's the saying, never really former? Yeah, they're never you never really leave it. You guys have been exposed to that group, to that group specifically more than others.

And I'm glad you asked those questions. And I'm just curious, have you been able to see a specific agenda because we know to the Stars, and we know the New York Times article, and we know that certain players speak about certain events, but then they tend to leave out other events they tend to leave out. They're very selective in there and what they decide to

talk about in the public forums. And I'm wondering if you've been able to see a narrative, a specific narrative that's being driven through some of those groups. You might not like it, but yes, the narrative that I've seen from many of these you could say bad faith UFO disclosure groups is actually reptilians. It's what they want to push. They want to push this idea that there's this bad negative force out there dominating the whole galaxy. We got to

militarize. I mean, this isn't something that they have outright said to the public, but it's what it's building to. Whether it's gonna end up as reptilians or you know, some beings hopping through a portal at the mall with really sexy holograms, you know, just saying, but you know, the idea here is that the agenda, I'm just gonna call it like I see it is to build this picture that there is a massive, very powerful, negative fleet of warlike beings and oh God, forget it, it's not real.

We don't have data of it. I've literally been like, it's about God. They're like, we don't know if God's real. We've never seen it, we've never experienced it. We don't have the data. I'm like, yeah, dude, okay, sure you're the one coming to us for

questions. We're seeing all these beings that you know, Yeah, it's the agenda is to to completely remove any sort of connection to as you like to say, which I love and I'm going to start saying this heart's centered or spirit or just connection to the force, to God, to consciousness to the eternal right. That's the agenda. It's to remove that and to sort of subconsciously plant this fear towards the phenomenon and building this image of just a dark,

nasty alien force. That's the agenda, that's the deception. And there are people in multiple camps of the CIA who push this message. And then there are people who like, for example, Jim Simmy. Then he's a nice guy and I've talked to him about Reptois before. He's like, yeah, you know, elements of that story I find to be true, but also your family story one hundred percent. I believe it. You need to go shout out to the rooftops and tell the whole world. And we're like,

okay, And you know, he's never tried to censor us. He's never tried to, you know, make us be quiet. But then there are other people in other institutions like NASA, and maybe I could tell you off air, but there are some other individuals who have I've hard tried to censor us and have actually given us death threats. It's very complicated. Wow, you mean never a straight answer NASA answer. Yeah, Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's that's that's really deep. But yeah, so here's

my philosophy. At the end of the day, I just one hundred percent believe sure, when there's dark, there's light, right, you know, if you can if you can be hot, you can be cold. There's always a balance to the universe. There's always a darkened light. But my philosophy is I don't care. You know, all I care about is the light. All I care about is I used to sit around and try to

learn everything about the darkness. And when I first broke away from being a hardcore Christian and really leaning into this very mysterious, mystical occult life of dealing with beings that pop through and then I'm going to church on Sunday, I'm like, something has to give here. You know, you can't serve two masters. I can't go and be a faithful Christian but also know that there's

more right. And I walked away from that old life, and I guess where I've ended up now is all that matters is the light, truly, like all that matters is understanding that there is hope, There is benevolence in the universe. There is an intelligent design and a force that is very near and dear to us, and that comes when we call. I think it's in us. I think it's in the air. I think it's in the water. It's in your breath, it's in your mind, it's in your

body, it's in your spirit. It's everywhere. It's like the matrix. Right, it can't be nowhere. Right, It's like the primordial spiritual force that permeates all things. And that's all the fucking matters. It's just living a life trying to be connected to that and shunning the dark force, shunning

the negativity. Yes, there's an agenda. There's absolutely an agenda. And I will say I probably should be a little bit more careful about us saying particular names of particular people anymore because of shadow banning and things like that. But yeah, there's some people in NASA that don't like some of the things I've said. Yeah, well that just because it's most researchers I think that

are doing the deep dive can see that happening. And and I thank you for those words because I and I knew, I knew there was I knew there was something different with with you, your dad and the messaging. Even though there may be some some of those people near nearby. I'm like, something's not adding up here. Yeah, And I talked to you, I talked to your dad, and I'm like, these guys are the most heart

centered, awesome people. And if anything, what I believe is is just some you know, if if some of these sort of nefarious or or are not not the best intentioned people that may be coming close to you, if anything, they're gonna they're gonna get a heart awakening. And and I just want to say, keep doing what you're doing, because so we need more of it. Was that the uncomfortable question? Yeah, because I did. I kind of didn't know. It sounds like you're very much aware of it,

and I didn't know how much. And that was just kind of, you know, I didn't know what the answer It turned out to be. Not uncomfortable at all, No, not at all. Thousands of people. I mean, you go look on Reddit and it's all we're CIA plants or we're mental patients. I mean, it's just pick your lane, you know, Like that's nah, that's that's part and parcel of you know, you take a picture of somebody in the CIA, say oh look there there are plants. It's like really, I mean, okay, I guess it's not

common that this happens. You know, I don't know anybody else in my entire life that's that's been in this position. But you know, it's it's a reasonable question. I appreciate you asking. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure if it was asked here before or not. But I just have to do my due diligence as the researcher. And you know, but again, I can feel my heart says, you guys are are doing a great thing.

And every time that was a question, I sort of had ready for your dad, but his energy, his heart energy was just so blasted, you know, my members and my crew open. I was like, there's no way this guy is on any sort of sort of bad team, so to say, if you want to put it in that context, it's just like it's and if he's around those people, he's just gonna blow up in their hearts. And we have had bad people around us, Reubin like,

that's the thing seventeen years dealing with it's just open book. Anybody from the government that came, you know, we said, sure, come in. You know, we have had people give us death threats. We have had people threatened to silence. Even recently. My episode on Danny Jones was shadow Band. You know, like the there are bad I'm not. I am never to you or to anyone in the world. I Am never going to be the guy that's like, they're all good, you got it all wrong.

No, no, no, no, I think most are probably bad. Right. I'm very much in line with that line of questioning. It's just I'm in the uncomfortable position of atally knowing these people. Everyone else out there is reading about it in the fantastical world of theory, I'm like actually living in it, you know. And it's a little more nuanced than the fantastical world of theory. And you know, it's it's complicated, but it

is. I mean, I have friends in those arenas as well, and I'm constantly getting questions sometimes as well, and and I just have to go with that. There are there are obvious things. There are obvious agendas that, like you were just saying, you know, this one agenda that I think that's one of them. Have you heard the let me just throw this

out. Have you heard the religion UFO religion agenda, Like they're creating a religion yeah, like it's the or the idea that this the phenomenon is is going to take over Catholicism in the sense and and there's going to be specific gatekeepers that want that are going to be like the new priest that are going

to have the the They're the chosen ones that have the the keys. So if people want to basically just a copy of the current religious uh uh structures that we have uh and then that so that agenda is sort of being pushed into the collective, so people think, oh, that person has superpowers or or this person is a gatekeeper. So to to talk to the phenomenon, to get in touch with it, I need to go through that person. And and then basically we just have a rehash of the whole religious thing that

we've been dealing with first thus years on this planet. I don't think that's ever going to come to play, but I have heard that there are that that agenda is part of some of the shadowy government groups that are trying to that's one one of their game plans, one of their playbooks. I haven't

heard of that one, but that's that's very interesting. Yeah, no, I'm not familiar with that one, but I mean, it makes sense right right, and and that's where we're getting, you know, sort of the fear, the fear aspects of the seeding of the collective consciousness with the fear

stuff, and it's just something to be careful of. I think, you know, I think where we're headed ultimately is, uh, We're gonna have a wild ride the next couple of years here as people see the ships, so to say, as they start to recognize the ships like in the native story of off the Coast, and they can they sort of materialize. But I think as we get through it and the more conversations we have like this, then people, you know, those sort of agendas will have to just

by default fall to the wayside. They're not going to be able to keep the fear going, and they're not going to be able to keep these limited hangout groups going because it's just you know, humans, we are evolving at such a fast pace now with the conversation, the subject, the technology, and I think we're going to see the prophecies of you know, a thousand years of peace and these types of things are right there, they're right on

the horizon. I think we just do what we keep doing here by having these awesome conversations and then eventually the rest of the humanity will catch on and we can let all that, all the silliness, the silly agendas go go to fall to the wayside. Yeah, Age of Aquarius, I'm right there with you. Yep. Well wow, I mean this was like, this has been amazing. Is there anything on your heart that you feel like is

unsaid for now? I'm looking forward to have you on my show in a couple of months here and then I'll be definitely sourcing this conversation and bringing up some more questions. So yeah, absolutely, this has been a blast. You have been just a fantastic special guest. I know everybody at home listening absolutely loved this. Please tell them where they can support you in your work.

Ruben. So, I have my show Interview with ED, which stands for Extra Dimensionals Interview with Ed. One word dot org is my website. I have a TV show that's been on Gaya, It's now on TWOB where I interview these channelers, these people that go into an altered state and these beans come through and I ask them all kinds of questions. It's lots of fun and and experiencers as well. And I have a new membership portal where people can pop in every week and sort of be part of the conversation.

And that's all access through my website, interview with it dot org. And super excited just to keep keep going down the rabbit hole and talk to folks like yourself who've been deep down the rabbit hole as I have, and and even further in many cases. So so yeah, come come hang out with us. We're it's a group, it's no secrets. We're an open book, you know. I I never I meant to ask you what you thought about like our documentary that had just come out the History Channel one. So

maybe we can up for when I hop on your program. Absolutely, yeah, great, great work, and I hear there's more in the works. Yeah maybe. But yeah, so we we have a little silly exit ritual on our show. I honestly don't know why we. I don't even know when this started, but we for some reason, UH like to chant by

guys at the same time. So already repeated. Well, I mean I'm just thinking all three of us and one you know, all right read three two one, bye Guysy weird things happen in the backyard Blessoe House and see it over Faci. Look up. It's so weird coming closer to us, closer I hear, stay straight up like smiling on the inside of it. No one knows mad, Wow, it's come h I ever talk, are got sad dat happening the nature? Any nation? Ha,