123: Black Magic & Spirit Possession with Bobby

The Weird Things happened in the Weird Weird Weird wo Ao, Ladies and gentlemen, we are very thrilled and happy to have a returning guest on the show. Uh, this has been a lot. We were just talking about it. This has been a lot of people's like one of their highlight episodes. I consider this episode like a Hall of Famer. It was such a deep dive, so interesting. It's the esoteric Mormonism episode that we did. It's called Demonic Counters and Esoteric Mormonism, I believe, is that the title?

Yeah, okay, that's like one of y'all's favorites. It's one of my favorites. We have returning mister Bobby McGann, so yeah, yeah, that's perfect again. Yeah McGann all right, cool Bobby mcgahann in that house, y'all. We got to give a shout out to Markey. He couldn't be with us today, right, Yeah. Oh, he's busy. He got he's got a lot going on, he's got a kid on the way, he just got married, and it's the holidays, so I can't blame him.

He's got his hands full. Yeah, Bobby, somehow or another literally like not even kidding here became my next door neighbor. Yeah, yeah, several towns away. It's crazy because we had talked about even before meeting you. I didn't even know you lived in Wilmington, but I had always wanted to move to Wilmington, just because I don't know, it's good vibes or whatever. And then obviously, like talking with Jeremy and stuff like that, He's like, yo, my brother lives out in Wilmington. I was like,

well, that's even more of a reason to move out there. And so finally it just happened. We moved out here, and we apartment searched. We looked through I don't know ten fifteen different apartment complexes. I was like, the nicest one, like I like it so much, and it just so happens to be the one right next to your store. Yeah. I can see Ryan's window from my deck and you can see your deck.

Yeah. Yeah, it was funny he moved in. I'm like, oh cool, Yeah I know that complex, you know, because we're like the same company, but they're like different complexes next door. So I'm like yeah, cool, Like like, let's find out how close we are, and we walk outside and it's like, oh my store. So I don't think we we linked up until like a week or two after I moved here,

But like for the entire two weeks I was trying to figure out. I was like, Okay, I know, we went to the pool over here, and so like I know, we walked like a little ways, like up this way, and so I honestly drove around the your your apartment complex for like a little bit, and I was like trying to decipher which and I could not and then you're too close to it. I was not looking

in the right direction because literally it's like right there. And then when we yeah, yeah, so this this worked out very very Remind me again how you and Jeremy Matt. I want to say the first time I chilled with Jeremy was probably through team speak, probably playing World of Warcraft. Oh that checks mister Pandaria. World of Warcraft. Oh wow, that's like a long time ago. That was the first time I ever played. Wow, we played mister Pandaria. I don't remember anything of it, but I think that's

the first time I talked to him. And then ever since then we just had we were in like the same team speak. We were in the same discord and don't have a mutual friend or did. Yeah, yeah, we did, lots of them. Well, yeah, we have like a large friend group friend group, and so Jeremy Napp is like the link between me

and your brother Jeremy. But then my my friend Alex that I grew up with is friends with Jeremy, which it's it's all convoluted, but we apparently all started with this kid Mitchell that we knew in high school who was friends with Jeremy Nap and some guy named Riley, and they all kind of started the group, and then me and Alec kind of joined in later, and then I'm at Jeremy. Yeah, it's like you happen to live close to

us or something like that. Oh my god. You know when I when I was first meeting your brother Blitzoe, I lived in Virginia at the time, and then I went to Argentina obviously came back and my parents had moved to North Carolina and then Faye Villain and Sanford or not, but like forty five minutes away. So yeah, yeah, that was the first time I've known Jeremy. I've known other Jeremy. I've known Alec for fifteen years or fifteen years close to fifteen, I'd never I'd never seen any of them.

Well, I knew, I knew Alec, but Jeremy, Jeremy, you obviously, like I'd never met any of you in person for like fifteen years, So it was like crazy. I met Jeremy for the first hour next door. Yeah, you know what I remember, just it must have been like a year or two ago, Jeremy being like, dude, I'm finally gonna was it. Did you meet him that recently or how long I met Jeremy, Uh, for the first time, like maybe last year, that's what, Okay, golf or something. Yeah, yeah, we played golf.

Then after that, shortly after we met your dad, I met you, well, maybe maybe a little before last year, because I met you around January old blast Okay, yeah, that's right, So maybe a little bit before that, because I know I golfed with Jeremy out and wherever he lives. I can't remember, but I went out there to golf with him, and that was my first time I think meeting him, yeah, because I remember him talking like a year and a half ago or so He's like,

I'm finally gonna get to meet my friend Bobby. I've been friends with online for like fifteen years. I remember that, and now you're right there. Yeah, and I'm ready. His brother's wedding was really cool because not only was it a beautiful wedding, but it was like it brought more of those people together who had never met in person. Yeah to me, Brando. I don't know if you saw Brando while he was there, but he was there. He was there for like twenty minutes before the event even started.

He was so well. I went to elementary school with him. Oh yeah, no, on my whole life, you know. Yeah, still yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really cool, very cool. Well, last time we left off, I know that you had some like pretty crazy stories to tell in Argentina, but just after a haws, it has it been about a year since we put that one out. It has to have been about a year. It seems like maybe even over each I'll pull it up a year and a couple. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's been

a while, but I know where we left off. You had that that encounter in Argentina. But I know, just us talking naturally over time, like there there were some things that that maybe we didn't discuss Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously there's a lot of stories in the back pocket. Not all of them are like paranormal type experiences, but some of them are. And but I want to preface that, like the story that I told last time, that's like my like my like unique story. That's like banger.

Yeah, that's my banger. That's the jaw dropper, and that we got to give a little cliff notes version real quick. If so. We have a lot of new lists if you want me to give the cliff notes. So you guys want to be if you yeah, I mean it'd be great. Okay, I'm going to do I'm going to do like a generic like a high level overview, so level overview. If you guys want to add in, just add in that episode of Parties. That episode came out, what is it July twenty seventh of twenty two. Wow, it's episode

episode fifty three, Esoteric Mormonism and Demonic Encounters. Awesome. It feels like not that long ago to Dad, I know, I know, it's it's insane how quickly it goes by. Yeah, it does. Okay, the party version and the party version is so living in Argentina a lot of like voodoo esque like bandista like stuff. We ended up running out of light or electricity, so we didn't have electricity, so we had to buy candles.

We ended up buying some like air quotes like blessed or cursed candles and uh, which are used in like Santuria, right, more or less, yes, a lot of people use them for like non nefarious or like non whatever purposes. But the ones that we had bought were the ones that come with like a little prayer card that like more or less you give something to get something. And so we had been told not to read the little like prayer card that came with it, and someone ended up ended up doing it.

And then something happened, like some some odd ghostly type stuff happened. So there was this weird like dark figure that was in my room and then it like moved from left or right and it moved into like my my like roommate's room and it started messing with him, and so, h that's more or less what happened. And so it was it was like a cursed like a few days. Yeah, yeah, I want to add an insight to that, just for anybody listening to understand, Like the power of this kind of

stuff and not to really not to mess with the stuff. It's like you guys were innocent kids, Like I'm sure it's okay if I say, like you were Mormon missionaries, huh, right on a mission, and like you didn't even your your friend who read it didn't even necessarily believe, right, he was just reading it, like, Oh, what's the worst that could have happened? Right? Right? You know, But imagine the people who who do believe you know what I mean, and like get involved and have

the intention to invoke something. Right. I know people who do that, right, and you have that intensity of experience that you had. I want to urge people to go listen to episode fifty three if you don't know the story, because we tell it in a long you know, a long segment there and it's crazy, dude, And like you guys had no clue what you were even getting into, and it was more or less an accident, right, I can only imagine. Well, we were talking about when it

was Halloween and we were going out. We had we went out to that what was it satellite? We had the satellite and we were we were having a good time, right, and uh, and we were talking about like the effects of Halloween, and I was and this is just my like camp of belief, but like and I never I don't want to talk in like absolutes, but like I feel like Halloween is the time where like everyone, whether they're like having the attention to like bring about like the the paranormal or

not, like just the the acceptance that's like, oh it's Halloween. We can like celebrate ghosts and we can celebrate like you know, zombies and all this stuff. Stuff that's like more occult in nature, I think makes it

more prevalent in like our realm of existence. So many people focusing on it or focusing on it like I And I think that's the a case in my experience where it's like whether I believe in this like candle prayer or not, like something exists, something's tied to it, and uh and like that gives it at least some power in this and the people of the region, right right, Yeah, very heavily in that regard. And so along with Halloween, like you know, dressing up as ghost, dressing, zombie skeletons and

all that stuff. It's not nefarious, it's not evil in any in any sense, but like there is that little part where it's like enough belief in a topic or in a subject or a being or whatever does make it's like you know, in my in my belief, it's like that makes its power

more more for sure. We I mean we we just did the Halloween episode recently and we talked about the origins of like Sam Hayne, right, and the origin is literally that like people would put costumes on and stuff like that so that they could like purge the evil from their bodies and like let their shadow out. Yeah. Yeah, and so that's kind of been a tradition for ever. Yeah. Ever, we're talking about ancient, ancient traditions.

So like I believe exactly what you're saying. I believe that that the longer that that tradition is upheld, like the through line of that power has remained. Oh okay, So that that brings a question to my mind. It's like, do you think humans now are more evil or less evil than they were back in? Same? Sam? What was it, Sam Hay? Do you think people are more evil now or are they more evil back then?

I think it's the same. It's complicated because I think people are inherently good but then like the problem is we have the secret power structure at the top trying desperately to constantly pervert us, you know what I mean, trick our minds to be sad and nihilistic and dumb and feed us poisonous crap and you know, And I would say that that power system has a stronger grip now right than it ever has. So like they are more evil. And

I think that by proxy, humans maybe have more potential. It's easier to be like evil quote unquote, it's easier to give into that because society is built on just this materialistic yeah, lifestyle. So if we take that, okay, so I'm just gonna take it as a blank, like, yes, people have more potential, Like potentially we are more evil. Now.

I just think in in in my opinion that through like that that ritual of like purging the evil or purging the like the bad spirits from your body is probably like causing the like ethereum of of of this realm to like permeate the the the paranormal through I think that. I mean again, like I have no proof of it like anything, but like I think ghosts are real. I think I think like Bigfoot is probably real, you know, those types

of things. I think they allow those types of experiences to happen more due to like urging all of this like negative energy that people have. And I mean in my personal opinion again, like I think people are more evil nowadays.

Oh you you agree, I think they are. Yeah. I think the potential again for like with like oppenheimerin the atom bomb is like now something that has never been like that has never existed in human society, and now that we have the potential to kill millions of people in an instant without you know, really giving it much thought. I think that, yes, that

there is more potential. There's more like evil intention too, with like the power system that is like trying to control us or trying to influence us to think certain ways or do certain things. I think that whether we realize it or not, that we are like there is a negative experience always, like

being portrayed through media, through music, through whatever it is. So we talked about in an episode I forget the title of the episode, but it was the one where we went deep on theosophy the ageless wisdom that yes, we had talked about how theosophic belief systems they believe that, like the quote unquote anti christ was like, well world War one and two, yeah, like yeah, And if you think about it, even with what you just

said with Oppenheimer, from World War one forward, it was like humans had more opportunity than ever to be even right, right, and then World War one happened, the Great Depression followed, I mean, the some of the darkest times in modern history. Well not to mention like because of those wars, millions upon millions of people died like within years, which is it was unheard of. It. That's traumatic energy, chaotic traumatic dark energy. All

those deaths being released instantaneously into this realm. Like that's scary. So I think, I think, yeah, I think we have. Sadly, we just have access to more things, right, I think I had. I can't speak exactly where I where I heard this, but it's like people, oh no, Thecassic records like you have, like the uh, like the memories are like the memory bank of like your ancestors and stuff that, And I don't I don't think that it's entirely impossible that we carry on the evils

of others in the in the world. And so I think again, like with the purging of like you know, the the sin within or like the evil or negative energy. I think it's just more prevalent nowadays, and that's why we're getting so many sightings. We're getting so many like paranormal experiences, and we're getting them more on tape too. I mean, your dad throws up like a video or two every day of just some some light being just floating through the sky. So I think they are happening more frequently, and

I think they're being captured more. The balance is returning, because in the world, that's what the beings told my dad. So I mean, I mean, I like to believe, on the one hand that people are good, but I do I do fear that you're correct that, Like I feel like their nature people just be good. Yeah, I think that the outside influences are making them try to be more bad. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're convincing them that bad is not bad, right, you know what I

mean, bad is good? Like you know, I mean even with you can just take something as simple of an example as like like fame, like the vanity of fame, right, just something so simple and seems harmless, right, But then a kid who looks up to someone who is very vain and flaunts their fame and money and stuff like that will see that and be like, Oh, that's what I have to go for. I have to go and and the pursuit of fame and money and those like really vain things

will destroy your soul. It'll tear your soul apart. So there's there's been two ideas that I've been thinking about a lot, And it's like, what is like this existence? Like, what what is like our realm of existence? And where are the other realms in comparison? And then the other idea that I've had is uh, and they somewhat tie into each other, is

like what is consciousness? And so I guess I'm gonna start off My question is do you guys think that consciousness is given or do you think it's developed? I think I think that before everything, there was one big ball or mass of consciousness out there. We talked a lot in recent like the Spirit Science episodes, about consciousness it's relation with energy, things like that, Like one of the fundamentals of science is that energy can't be created or destroyed,

it's just there changed. So I think I think initially it was like given, not necessarily like willingly it just like I don't know it was it was distributed some way or another. And then I also believe this is just me that each tiny little node of consciousness has its own progression Okay, yeah, and evolved because each little piece is trying to evolve back to the big one. Okay, right, I think so too. Yeah, that's that's what I seem to my intuition kind of tells me. I just had a thought,

and and naturally we don't have to go. I'm not trying to put you on the spot either. It's just spontaneous thought. But and if you're not comfortable with me saying this, we can cut it for sure. But are you pretty comfortable with saying that, Like you're no longer practicing Mormon? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't practice. Okay. Cool. So the last time we hung out at my dad's house, it was the night of your brother's wedding, right, which we hung out two nights after.

Yeah, the night of the wedding, But that was that was awesome. But that night I think it was you who was telling me this. This is the part that I was like, if you're not cool with me, you know, I don't. I don't know if there might be family watching. I just don't know the rules if this kind of stuff is really allowed to be revealed. But you were telling me some pretty cool stuff that exists within Mormon scripture. And it was something about like how the main purpose

of life here is to keep incarnating up to become infinity. Well you elaborate, Yeah, so there in the Mormon like belief system, there's a very like base knowledge of like what again, Like all Christian religions always try to answer the questions of like where did we come from? Why are we here?

Where are we going? And I want to say the generic like Christian response, including Mormons, is like our existence here is to be good people, be followers of Christ and like gain light and knowledge, like just just be good people, right, try to become more christ Like, which is like you know, an eternal being. I'd agree with that. Yeah,

it's good. It's a good practice, for sure. There is a deeper note of doctrine in the Mormon religion where it is it's called eternal increase and that is that and that brings another like philosophical question is like is God like omnipotent, omniscient? Like is he perfect? Is he ever continuing? And so the concept of eternal increases that you even after you die, there is

still progression in the like the spirit realm or whatever. And that that when say, like you are granted into the afterlife depending on your status here in earth life, you can go to one of three kingdoms. There's there's there's a telestrial kingdom, a terrestrial kingdom, and I could be confusing them. And then there's a celestial kingdom. And then there is like the celestial kingdom is supposedly where God lives and exists. It's like the perfect realm. It's

it is the perfect realm. That is like the ideal heaven. And then the other two realms are like you were like somewhat good people like mid heaven Heaven. That's good, But those three tiers exist outside of even Hell, like Hell is its own place there, but there are grades of heaven.

So the celestial is the highest where you can live with God. But like the celestial and terrestial are like mid So I don't I again, like I can't tell you what it's like, but apparently the celestial is the highest and even within the celestial realm, if you've completed with all your vowels as like a member of the church or the Mormon Church rather, you know, you were baptized, you were sealed in the temple through marriage, you completed with

all your duties. That's interesting that you just said that, I didn't know that we can. We can. Yeah, we can talk more about it if you'd like. But based on like your merits or like the vowels that you've completed and stuff like that, you are granted like the opportunity of eternal

increase, which is the increasing of light and knowledge infinitely. Wow. So and and there's a promise within like the Book of Mormon and doctrine comments that is we are to become like God, which is like you know, and omnipotent being. So that's where my question is, is like is God perfect? Never like he knows everything? Because if he is, then what is

the need for eternal increase. There's there's this cool quote from Neil Degrass Tyson and he says God is either not all knowing, not like not omnipotent, or not all good. Right, It's it's one or the other, because like you have so much pain and turmoil and evil and just unfair, like kids dying of cancer, like just just disgusting, awful stuff. So like an all good God would never allow that to happen, right, I disagree. So if he's not letting that happen, then that means he's not all

powerful, you know what I mean? I disagree. I also disagree, Yeah, because it's like again, it's like we are experiencing these things because we are separated from that state, you know what I mean, We're not with God that that quote is in reference to the like Christian like monotheistic, you know God like like you know, the the bearded guy, right like that kind of thing. I think, I think that God is just like all of us, you know what I mean? I don't. I don't,

I don't. Necessarily, I almost feel like the only decision God ever made was to just split up into infinite pieces and try to experience in the universe. Right, So if the mission is to experience all, then even the bad things would have to be included. And then that makes me also think the law of duality that right, you you get just as much bad as you get good. And then I also think that trials and tribulations are good for the growth of character. We just don't We're just not trained to

see it that way, you know. But it's like I I personally think that God is only perfect harmony, love and light, and that's you know, what we're seeking to be in to connect with. But we exist here

where we are separated from that, you know what I mean. But I again, like I'm not going to take one camp or the other just because I don't know, but I like to relate it to is like, you know, why did like fathers or mothers tell their kids to go to school or to like you know, play us sport or whatever, even if they

don't like it, It's for their own goods? So there is some you know, uh, there's some notion of doing something that is hard, or doing something that is you know, not necessarily fun, or possibly like you know, even dying, Like why would a why would you know, a father, a parent or mother allow their child to like suffer from some ailment if it wasn't to some end. And it's like, why would God allow these these kids or the people in general just to die and go through all

the suffering. Well, I would say it's probably for a learning experience. It's there's probably some kind of conditioning for like the other realm, there's a lesson ye to be yeaharn And like the Zen Buddhist believe that your soul like consents to every experience that your incarnation will have, like before you even incarnate into that being. They see like, all right, so this kid like

lives to be like ten and then he dies. But I haven't experienced this specific thing in a former incarnation, so maybe I need to get that experience. Yeah yeah, Because the grand scheme of the souls is about all the lifetimes, not just the one we're in right now. And that's hard to

concept it's hard to conceptualize. But that's the point of awakening, is opening up to understanding like, oh my god, I'm not just who I am right now, it's that ego death right Like, I'm so much more than just Ryan bledsoe I've lived a million lives and you have you have and you have you know what was the Einstein quote from last episode which this is your souls? Oh here, I'll read it. Yeah yeah, because it goes

right along with reincarnation. So Einstein has this quote, we are slowed down sound and light waves, a walking bundle of frequencies tuned into the cosmos. We are souls dressed up in sacred biochemical garments, and our bodies are the instruments through which our souls play their music. Interesting I like from that. I like the words slowed down the most, Yeah, because life does seem slowed down, especially I don't know, like everything is, whether you think

about it or not. I personally see it. Everything is monotonous, like everything has a pace. And I think that when we're on like that other side, I think it's going to be like hyping infinitely faster infinitely the speed of light or whatever. I think it's just going to be a different lifestyle

that we can't comprehend. And so that's that's kind of where I come from, where it's like, if God is like this perfect human being, he's just doing everything like he's he's doing He's been there, done that, yeah. Yeah, And it like I think that's kind of partially true because like we are all God, So He's done everything through us right right now. It's happening now right yes, and always and in the future too. Yeah.

Time is just a big old spaghetti ball. That makes me think of like the flash oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, think about this when the flash is like running at that speed that I'm not a superhero's speed force when he's running it, you know, think of that as like the afterlife or the in between, and every time he comes to a stop or a walking pace, he's a living life and then death rebirth slowed down living life. Yeah, you know what I mean.

I'm trying to think of something else that would that would move like that, but like that's the first thing that came up that kind of blew because I'm looking at y'all when you said, uh, like when after we're gone, we'll experience things at the speed of light, Like that's kind of mind blowing because like, from what we know, the soul is light. Yeah,

I've never heard it said like that, but it makes sense. Yeah, I mean I've seen thousands of lights, you know, like, yeah, your soul is light, Like that makes sense, and so it moves everything. It's kind of like DMT, right, I mean I can speak to that experience. It's like you get in there and it's like it took weeks for a lot of that to come back to me because you're seeing so many

things simultaneously. All at once, so rapidly, and it's like your ear, your eyes, your body can't handle your mind can't even handle it right now. For weeks it was coming back to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the same with me. It was just like constant, like just little glimpses of something that happened or whatever you were catching up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're literally seeing like infinite things at once. It's like I could say that and people are like, yeah, right dead,

seriously, there's a reason there's all this mystique about it. It's it's crazy, but yeah, I imagine it's like that where reality is not so linear and it's folding in and on itself and it's rapid, and like, yeah, it's crazy. I'm kind of loving this, like philosophical, like philosophy corner with Bobby raised, start asking us question. I know it, Like I'm obsessed with this. I love it. Have you got anything else

like scratching your brain? Because this is awesome. In the terms of like consciousness, we were talking about consciousness and uh and more or less if it is developed or given or like whatever, And I think I think it is developed because when you're a baby, you're not fully conscious. You do you guys remember your first memory? My first I do? Oh think what is it? I think it was my first birthday party. I remember being in a high chair with a birthday cake and a candle and it was like happy

birthday. I don't know if it was my first or second, but I feel like it was my first birthday a flash. I have a weird first memory because I don't think I should have it as a memory. And my mom like confirmed it. I remember, I told my mom it was like I don't know, ten years ago or something. I was talking to my mom and I was like, I remember when I like, I remember being

a baby. I have this weird memory of being a baby, and like the nurse was like this bigger woman with a huge mole on her face, and she like slapped me on the bottom of the foot for some reason. And I was like saying that and she was like, there's no way you can remember that. And I was like, what do you mean. She was like, that was before we took you home from the hospital, like they were making sure you were branding, like and and so I pondered that

for such a long time. I was like, why do I remember that? It was like a recurring dream that went into my state of like evolved conscious. You know, if I'm a little older, maybe i'll remember it. But like I guess I remember something from like way like that was like within days of being born. Yeah, which is heard. I've heard other stories. I've heard I've heard people with having memories of the womb. I believe that's wow, it's not that I had. I had a womb flashback

on mushrooms. Yeah you did, no way? Yeah? And then I was like reborn. It was the craziest thing ever. Really, yeah, I want to hear about it. It was just like I took this this dose that I thought was going to be smaller. I warned you, but I was like, oh, no, big deal. But I did all the proper preparation and like you know, I was good and and I just had this like there was no stimulus, Like I didn't have the TV on, there was no music. It was just me laying on the couch and

the dog. And uh, I started hearing this this sound like this music and it was like I say, club music, but it was only because it was like very like consistent house music like as which like could have been my own heartbeat, but like remixed by the you know. But anyway, it was like this very like tribal like drum line like constant thing, and it was it wasn't it wasn't like psychosis. It was like pleasant, like

I was jamming. And then I just started like feeling this overwhelming like sensation of love and I was just like laying there, just like encapsulated in love, like tears just streaming down. I'm not a crier, you guys. Everybody knows that I'm a guard. I'm not. I'm just not emotional, but that's my own problem to work through. But I'm just sitting there crying and uh yeah. Then I closed my eyes and I was like I had

this like womb flashback. Everything was like wow, like just love, but like love and like tight and warm and and like I don't know, and safe and felt like you were in the womb. Yeah, totally wow. And then I remember like opening my eyes and like kind of coming down from this and then like doing everything I could to like go back to that feeling, and I couldn't. I couldn't get back because I'm like declining and I'm like just trying to recreate it over and over and yeah, it was like

it's hard. It was a while ago, so it's hard to recall, but yeah, very like and then I had this very like reborn feeling, like just kind of fresh and new and like absolved of things, like emotionally, it was very Uh it was. It was a very awesome day. So I gotta say, like, from from that story, it's like our our our humans naturally good. I mean it sounds like in the womb, it just sounds like you're just still full of that love, like that just

pure essence of love. And then uh, and then you get out here and you're like, it's well, I also start doing in traffic and you start hating yah. Yeah. And I also think that has to do with like the female like energy that's carrying you too. Yeah, Like that's a that's a partnership there, you know, Like that's not just like that's the child. Yeah, that's that's pure love mother mother to child for sure.

But that's where I was going with this was it was like, Okay, so my my first memory I didn't I didn't remember for the time, and then my mom showed me a picture and then it like flooded into me. I was like, oh, like I do remember that, and that was like my frad. I was sitting we had we lived in a trailer park.

I was sitting on this couch that smelled like cigarettes, and we had a dog that was a Jack Russell that I don't have any recall of, and I was sitting there petting him and that that is just my first memory and the picture brought me back to that. But like my my consciousness question is that is that it developed? I think I think that it is because number one, I don't remember anything prior to that, and you know, I was probably like a year or two years old or something like that.

And then I believe and also like higher consciousness that we can obtain that learn that in this lifetime. And I think that God obviously has a higher consciousness

than everyone else. So it's like if that is obtainable, then obviously, like it is not given, it is learned developed like you you you work through yeah, through discipline, yeah yeah, and then I but also at the same time, it's like like with with this realm that we're in, like I don't think that say, like the paranormal the ghosts or like the the orbs that are that are happening. I don't think they're in this realm. I think they peak through. Yeah, I think it is like higher

consciousness allows them to do that. That's what I'm That's mainly what I was getting exactly what they told my dad. They come from spirits like it is. It is an earth that is just slightly transparent over top of us, and it's just always happening. We just don't catch it all the time or like they don't have like the maybe they have to do some type of meditation to break through to us. And it's like, so I think there are

just layers to the existence that we live in. It's just multifaceted up down, left, right, diagonal, this way that way. Yeah, I think that it's just all around us and we just aren't attuned to it, and the majority of people aren't. To add to that, we talked about this on the Spirit Science episode Part two, which is gonna be the next episode by the way, Yeah, yeah, we are going to drop this from first. Yes, yes, because but we just recorded it before this

one. Don't know how we do record multiple in a day, But anyway, we just talked about on that episode about the dogon tribe, you know, and the Dogon tribe existed five thousand years ago, they still exist today, and they basically are notorious because they had this extremely advanced spiritual system where they had all these like diagrams that they drew thousands of years ago of things that are exact replicas of what are being discovered now scientifically, like half s

been particles and things like that. And one of the things that they claimed all those eons ago was that what the beings told them was that basically there exists a twin invisible spiritual dimension that's like you just described, it exists over

top of ours. It's like the duality thing, right, Like we're in the material world, there's a spirit world that's perfectly meshed over hours and a lot of the things that we experienced, like synchronicities or you know, animal running cross and it's like, oh my god, it's an omen or anything of that nature. It's the entities from that dimension taking that opportunity to kind of like manipulate the physical world to interact with you personally, you know what

I mean. Yeah, So it's like they said that there are times when those dimensions cross where these entities can come through at a higher rate or whatever. But like they also had this belief about there being some sort of time in the future where there's like an actual like external crossing of these dimensions where there will be a super accelerated rate of you know, passed through between them.

But yeah, it's like, I think you might be right. Like even the Dogon tribe was saying the same thing about how it's like you just said, like these entities peering through. Oh, and then the other thing they said that this material world is the world of it's like imperfect knowledge but perfect action, meaning we can, you know, pick things up, we can do things, we can act on the material world. And then it's like the opposite is true according to them in the spirit world, where it's

like perfect knowledge. They're omniscient, they're ascended to a higher state of consciousness, their light beings, you know, but they have imperfect action because of the rules of reality. They can't you know, they don't just walk up to everybody and say behold, I'm a being and i'm you know, everyone's like, well, why why don't they just land on the president's lawn. Well, maybe they can't do that. You know, that's gonna be frustrating.

Maybe there's an agreement behind the scenes of reality where they have to let us develop it on our own, and they could pop in every now and then it help us, right, you know what I mean. But it's like imperfect knowledge. We are ignorant, we're blind to the higher truth. But we can act. We're free to act our free will, we can do whatever we want. And then the opposite, perfect knowledge, perfect dissension and existence. Yet they are not free to infringe our free will and act

on our dimension. So they do. They give us signs, they give us little miracles that the point of that is to rock us and be like, well, have you ever noticed that the best teachers don't tell you the answer, They just guide you to it. Like I feel like there's some type of like wisdom in that that. It's like they're taking some type of

like example from that realm. It's like a good teacher say, like, you know, Jesus Christ, for example, he showed through action rather than the He obviously did tell us a lot of stuff, but he also showed in metaphor. It wasn't completely laid out. You had to think about it a lot, You had to put it in practice to really understand it. So I think that there is probably like some type of humility that's needed when you get to that side. That's like you're not going to be able to

do all all the things you want. You're going to know a lot of stuff, but you're not going to be able to do everything you want. That's interesting too, because there's a passage in the Bible that talks about angels being envious of humans. Yeah, because there is, because humans have we will do whatever we want. Interesting they can't do whatever they want, but they know everything. In that line of thinking, it makes sense. You know, Well, I'm gonna take a dark turn on this, because let's

get dark. I mean, if we're talking about that, that will get explained here in a little bit. In terms of like having that knowledge. Do you think that like the negative like I don't want to say like demons, but like the negative angels, dark angels or whatever, the like the fallen they also have that like concept of uh like knowledge and they still can't do that. But they're tricky, like they don't abide by the rules, like that's why they're there because they didn't by to buy the rules here or

whatever. But that's how they get in to So for example, it's like with my past experience in the other episode, it's like, could that have been a dark you know, spirit or a negative spirit just trying to bend the rules a little bit just to like something. And so I want to say, if this is the case, then yeah, like I think that they do have a perfect knowledge, like the good angels, and that they just bend the rules to come in and play with us or to well,

yeah, or do something you know. That makes sense to me because think about it this way, like, Okay, for instance, a very recent example of this, like you were just talking about where angels can send signs and things like that, my brother's dog just passed away. Yeah, so sad, so sad, but that you know, they were feeling real, real down. I mean it was sudden, it was rough like the other

day. Yeah, just a couple of days ago. And the day after the dog passed away, my brother's wife, Ashley, she sent him a picture of a cardinal in the exact spot that the dog used to sit all the time and look in the window at her, and the cardinal was looking in at her. And she text Robbie and said, uh, what is this supposed to mean? Like? What what is the cardinals? What's the spiritual significance of it? Are you good? Do we need you? The

homework? I was trying to like sniffle's side and I sart a choking, I'm alive, sorry about that, fellaws. So so she's like, what's the significance of this or whatever? I looked it up and it like could not have been more on the nose, uh, to preface. My brother's daughter, my niece, she's four. She kept asking like, did did Chloe get to heaven? How did she make it to heaven? Did is

she in heaven? You know all this stuff. I looked up the spiritual significance of a of a cardinal and it's it's a sign that your loved ones are telling you they made it to heaven. Wow. Interesting, So that would yeah, that would be an example of like a little thing that that a being on the other side could do to influence and it's not super hands on, but it's like a little a little thing like that. And then on the flip side, you think about what everybody knows about negative encounters with

entities, with dark entities and stuff like that. They're like moving coat hangers to terrify. Yeah, whispers, but it's it's nothing like they don't show up and stab you in the gut and split you open and all it. They're like play the guitar strings or like, uh, move the coat hangers and give you nightmare because that's all they because they gave you nightmares, you know what I'm saying. So that makes sense to me, like that they can't act, they can't do as much, so they just do what they

can. And there's examples of beautiful things being done, and there's also things where it just scares the shit out of people. So yeah, I feel like if it's if it's some entity on the other side that's like just steeped in darkness and it just wants to make other beings in this realm feel as bad as it feels, then it's gonna it's gonna do a little you know, act out and stuff, shake it up. I would I would say,

yes. Uh so, I guess here's a little life update. So me and my girlfriend we went to New York and and it was nice. We you know, visited the Big Apple and all this stuff. But in the in the hotel, we were staying in. There was like fortune teller medium that was right in front of the like our hotel building, like she had her own little building or whatever, and she did my girlfriend's reading and immediately she was like she asked my girlfriend, She's like, who's Marcus?

And she was just like she looked at me and she was like, where did that come from? And she was like, Marcus is going to be needing help really soon. And this was before he was engaged, this is before we knew he was having a kid anything anything like that. And she was like, Marcus is going to be needing help very soon, so you're going to be, you know, tasked with helping him. And I was like, oh, and she wasn't talking to me. She was talking to

my girlfriend. So I was like, Okay, that's really weird. And so that was the only like notable thing because she asked me to step out after that. I was like, oh, and she's like, could have been I was picking up from him or something like that, but I feel

like you're the one that needs to help him or something like that. And so not too long afterwards, you know, brother as a kid on the way and he got married and so there was a lot of and he was job searching at the time, and so my girlfriend was also helping him with the job search all that type of stuff, and so that that was one thing that happened. And then when it was my turn, I did my reading, and the first thing that she said, she was like, you

seem so happy. Why do you seem so dark? And I was like, oh, She's like, I feel like there's just some type of like presence on you, and like honest to God, like like I thought, like to me, I was just like you need to she was just trying to scam me or something like that, but she was like, we need to cleanse you. You have something like very wrong with your chakras, Like something is very wrong. There's something attached to you. You need to get

rid of it. And I didn't do the cleansing because it's fifteen ninety nine. It was the price that I could not afford. Yeah, and so I was like, no, I'm gonna pass. But she was very concerned throughout the entire reading of this like energy spirit that was like attached to me. And I just wanted to say, like, throughout my experience from like that, I had, you know, in the last episode that I talked about up until this day, Like that was a few years ago. That

was like six seven years ago, I can't remember. But ever since then, every time I have like a nightmare, anytime that like you know, I'm a little bit spooked, it's always it traumatized you. I don't know. Yes, obviously we talked about it in private. I was gonna ask you about that. Yes, like it did traumatize me. They're a handful of things that traumatized me in Argentina, but that was one of them. It's like, like spiritually that traumatized me because every nightmare that I have,

it's that figure is there. Whether I don't know if it's me imagining it or if it actually is present, but every time it's there, it's like a very very negative, dark, you know, themed dream. There's it's like a horror movie, like there's a lot you feel the fear. I feel there, tom Me, they're doing something to me, like and honest to God, like we're we just moved into our new apartment. Things are just disappearing, Like we had some tongs that we had brought in gone.

We had like it's a wooden like stirring spoon gone, like we have no idea where they are. And I was like, come on, like did you throw it away, Carly? And she's like, no, I didn't touch it. Now I know I didn't throw them away. So we have had things that are just disappearing like that's crazy, Like I that's been happening to me and Casey at our house, oh for real, And like other kind of strange lights being on that I know one turned on, like like

a lot of weird stuff like that. Odd things do be happening, Yeah, odd things do. Do you do you get the feeling that maybe something's following you. It's it's always in the back of my mind. It's like again like I never I never tried to speak in absolute, so I don't know, but like the mystical part of me thinks that there is like some type of negative energy that like follows me around. Like it's always in my dreams. I always have like terrible nightmares. I have anxiety, Like I

get anxiety all the time. I it sounds like schitzo. But like in the side of my eyes sometimes I'll be like looking around and I see like something staring at me. Again, it's it always happens. Well, I

mean, let's just let's just go ahead. And for for anybody who hasn't heard the first episode, I mean, again, we're talking about like a very bone chilling encounter that you lived through, and you know, we're talking about a town in Argentina where there's this widespread practice of you could say Santa Ria or voodoo or whatever, dark matchic and like we haven't even gone into

some of the other stories. I mean, my point, my point that I'm trying to convey to you is for anyone who might be listening and being like, you know, what the heck he was, he was a victim to something that he didn't even choose to participate in. You know, you didn't even read the candle. It's like it's just you were just there. Yeah, you were just there. And like it's it's if y'all haven't seen that other episode and you want some contact deafinite. I mean, it was

like a full blown demonic encounter. But you know, you said, the mystical part in you thinks that that might be possible, that maybe it's still tormenting or whatever. But the mystical part in me says, we about to clear you homeboard, I would hope. So we're about to clear you. Yeah, But in that regard, see what I would like to talk about

more of the things that have like you know, jarred me. Like there are some things that like like real witchcraft type shit witchcraft, and like the amount of times in Argentina that we would encounter like vood people or like and they're not called vood to people, they're called umbundi stuff. But like the

amount of times that we would encounter them would be very slim. But every time we did encounter them, they always like say like if you don't leave, I'll put a hex on you, or if you don't leave, I'll put a curse on you, or like this or that, or like you

shouldn't do this. There were a lot of a lot of negative feelings from them towards us, right, And so we again, like we would always walk around and especially in like more rural areas, there would always be like little like they weren't like necessarily pentagrams, but they were like diagrams drawn on the ground and like chalk or something like that. I don't know. And then we'd always see like the chicken remains or we'd see like small animal,

bone remains and stuff like that. So they were everywhere. So the question is why are there remains there? Right elaborate for the listener. So I never saw it happen, but there are secondhand experiences that I've heard where people would go out dressed in robes. They would sacrifice a chicken in a specific spot. I don't know for what, like pop. What I've been told is it's to bless like the village, or to bless like this certain plot

of neighbors or something like that. Other reasons I could not I could not say. I don't know, but that was what was explained to me. But and they would just sacrifice a chicken or you know, a small animal and then they would burn it or whatever. And so there was that. But there was another story where I was living on the coast. Dang it,

what's the name. I can't remember the name of the town, but it was it was on the beach pretty much, and we weren't allowed to go out at night because after like nine thirty, ten thirty, that was like our curfew. It's like bad things happened at night. Obviously, you have to go home, come home. But some of the elders would sneak out and they would just you know, tour around. I don't know what

they would do. But there was one that had told me that he was walking down by the beach and then he saw a group of people with a small a small boat, like a very small craft, like like a basket sized, and they were all in ropes, brown robes, and they were walking out into the into the ocean, and they lit the little like boat on fire and they set it out to sea. And that they said that they had like more or less like send out this like burnt offering or whatever.

And that's all they knew. So there were odd things happening. It was, Yeah, there were some odd things happening everywhere. Yeah, whether you realize or not, it was pretty prevalent. I also had a lunch. I had a lunch with this lady who her husband was Mormon, but she herself was Umbandista. And within Umbandista, there's like two different like sects.

There's like the bad one and there's like the good one. And so if you what their practice is is they allow spirits to incorporate their body and to like achieve like absolution or whatever they do, whatever they like didn't get to achieve in this life, and so that's like a tulpa more or less. Yeah, but they But so I asked this lady. I was like, have you had a spirit inside of you? And she's like, I've had up to three at the same time, and it's it's She's like,

it's amazing, it's it's enjoyable. And she said, she's like, you get a baptism of like flowers and herbs and stuff like that, and they allow the spirit to enter you. And then she's like, sometimes I'll be just going to work and then the voice inside my head will be like, I want to spend the day in the park, and I'll just ditch work and go spend the day in the park. Or I want to go jump rope, and she'll go and jump rope, and that is the spirit.

But that's what she feels that. She's like, it's a voice in my head that tells me I want to do this now, and this is something that she has no interest in doing right right, but it's something that the spirit wants to do, and so she would just do that. She says it's amazing and that she she loved it and that she when it was released,

she felt that it was released for her. It was a positive experience, right, But the other side of it is the negative one where you allow the negative energies into your body, and that's the baptism of blood and you. So I don't know if it's like human blood or you do that. They do it, they do, I understand, Like from I want to go jump rope in the park like that. That sounds like sure,

that sounds fun, but like it's probably a child or something. Yeah, Another spirit is like I want to murder, Like why would you want to let that? Right? Well, for gain, for power, for money, for for gain. There there is some type of like exchange exchange. It's like and I'm not saying it'still like ten paths. It's like self serving

bring me and I will serve you, you know. So again, like I never met anyone that did the baptism of blood, but from what this lady explained to me, it was like like not all of the negative spirits that people like let in want to do negative things. They don't all want to you know, kill and steal and stuff like that. They just want to absolve themselves of the negative things. That they did in this life,

so I mean, if it helps them. So a lot of a lot of them report that they would just go to church more like the person that would you know, that was normally known by this wante they want to atone, so they would go to like a Catholic church or whatever church was. You know, they're of the spirits choosing and stuff like that. I don't and she didn't explain anything that if they wanted to do anything negative, So I can't say, but I would imagine that there still would be some some

spirits that were for sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's got to be all sides of the spectrum, right if if if we're opening the door saying that this stuff's going on on the other side, there's obviously still a spectrum there. We talked about this briefly on our Larry Burke episode for anybody out there that wants to hear a little bit of that conversation. But

I cannot remember the name of the gentleman. This could have been like ten years ago, but my dad had a friend who was doing some sort of it was like a regression therapist or something, and throughout his work he started to notice that people had actual like spirits attached to their ara like like like,

let's just hypothetical. You know, I don't remember the exact case scenarios, but the hypothetical was like I remember the context, and it was like, you know, someone's struggling with addiction, uh, just really suffering and miserable and depressed. They come in, they get a regression and it's like there's another spirit inside of them that like died of drug use. And it's

interesting. It's the idea of that self correct no like like latched onto him and making him struggle with the Oh I was thinking he was going to help him better. No, no, no, no, So like you know what, yes, yes, the spirits that have suffered, they can you know, when we're in these low vibrational states, these suffering negative spirits can latch onto us. And you know, someone whose alcoholic might have one of those spirits or whatever, and it's like the idea is that we can clear

them. He would he would clear them from people and they would get better through like regressions, right, you know, like he would he would speak to the spirit when they're in this regressed state and cleared away and they start recovering. And like, I think it supports what you're saying, Like I think I think it's real. Yeah, I would say from the lady that

I talked to, Yes, she was very convinced of it. There were also a handful of individuals that I did encounter that There was just one place in what was it called, Oh, geez, I can't remember that. Oh, I can't remember Gutierres, the area of the Gutierras, And and I was with this guy his name was Dolgren, and and every there was just this one particular day, we had an appointment on one side of the town and then we had a dinner at the other side of the town.

And so they get to the other side of the town, there was a large like ravine that we would have to cross and it was just like a small dirt path. And and so during the start of the day, every corner there was like and in Bandista, they were like doing stuff, saying stuff. There was this one man who was just standing on the corner and he kept like fidgeting, He kept like skipping jumping like, but he was standing still. He was just like fidgeting, jumping or whatever. And as

we passed him, he said don't go near the water. And so we were just like we thought he was great. We thought he was just out of his mind or on drugs or something like that. So he was like, don't go near the water, and we were like okay. And then he's like guys, and then we were like what. And he's just like a completely different voice. He's just like, don't go near the water. Like it was more feminine this time. And so we were like, oh,

okay. And then like as we were as we were leaving, he did another like skip jumping, and then he just started screaming, don't go near the water. Don't go near the water, and so we just kind of high tailed it. Whoa. And so we're walking through the town and we're like on a different section of the town. We're probably a handful of

blocks away from this dude. And there's this this like tall, skinny dude, and he had dreads and he was just looking at us and his mouth was open, he was drooling and and so he was just like and and so we were just like, can we help you. As a missionary, you're supposed to talk to everyone. You're supposed to like preach the word to everyone. So this guy's like, you know, calling us over. So we're like, okay, let's go talk to him. And this guy's just

staring at it. I look at his eyes, completely black, no whites, he had no whites in his eyes, completely black. And so we were just like, can we help you, do you need assistance? Like are you healthy? Are you okay? And he just wouldn't. He didn't say a single word, and so we were like, okay, well you have a nice day, and so we would just we just walked away. And so we go to, you know, another block, and we're talking

to people. We're going dude followed us. He just stood on the corner of the block and just watched us, mouth open, still still drilling. We go to a different block, we go to a different block, we go to like hours go by, and he's still following us. He followed us the entire day. And then we're like, okay, well it's getting a little late, you know, it's getting like seven o'clock. We have a dinner appointment with some members of the church and so they were gonna give

us some food. They live on the other side of town, so we decided to high tail it. Dude is still following us the entire day. He didn't have anything to do. He just followed us and stared at us all day, all day. As soon as we get to this little ravine, he just high tailed it. He just turned around and walked away. And so we were like, finally he's gone, like awesome, we don't have to worry about water right near the ravine, right. And so we

start crossing this little ravine and it had been raining. We were midway through this little ravine and it's fairly long. It was probably like two blocks worth of like bridge or whatever downpour, and so it's like a little bit slippery. The MUD's getting a little slick and uh, and so we're slipping big gust of wind and when I say big gust of wind, I'm saying, like, push you type of wind could have like took you off the ground,

yeah, more or less. And so Dolgren's behind me and all I feel is two giant hands push me and I almost fall into the ravine like and it's it's probably like six feet of water and it's like sewage water. It's not it's not normal water, it's sewage water. And so I was like Dogren, like what is wrong with you? Like, I get up and I'm like, what is wrong with you? Dude? He's like, what are you talking about? I was like, why did you push me?

And we would play jokes on each other all the time. We'd like throw rocks at each other, like I had to sing shot we shoot each other in the leg or something like that. We do stuff all the time, and so but I was like, and that was out of his character. So I was like, oh, dude, that's too far. And I was like that's yeah, too far, dude. I almost fell in and that kind of hurt. He's like, dude, I didn't do anything. You just fell. And I was just like, no, you pushed

me. And he's like no, okay. I was like, okay, you walk ahead of me. He gets ahead of me, and I'm like trying to you know, he my balance walking in the slick mud, same thing, boom, another gust of wind, and he like falls on his hands and knees and he felt he felt no, it wasn't me. He fell and then he turned around. He's like, dude, I didn't push you. And I was like, I didn't push you. And so we got into a heated argument and so he's like, let's just leave it.

Let's go to dinner. So we're covered in mud at dinner and the and the family is super nice to give us food. They're asking us why we're covering in mud, and we just say we slipped or whatever. They're like okay, and they're like, guys, we can't give you right back. MUD's too slick. Can't get in the car. You're gonna have to walk home. So it's nighttime again. We have to cross the ravine again, no wind, no rain this time, and we're just walking by. Happens

again no both of us. Both of us get pushed and h and so we were like all right, Like if we're ever going back to their house, we're like taking any other way. And so that was one of the times where I was just like, okay, something and this is this is one of those times I was like, something's you know, not right.

And the guy telling you not to go near the water, and then the fact that the guy with the pitch black eyes got near the water and then left, right, there's something like on that water or like in that water, Like that's very weird. So weird. Yeah, that was that was one of the experiences, and then I think, I think I can share the the witch Slayer story instead of demon slayer. I'm the witch Slobby. So I was in the park gate with my buddy Little Field and and we

were like honestly, so we got robbed their handful of times. We got held up in our apartment, which I can tell if you want, But everyone kind of loved us there. We both had the same birthday, he was me and Littlefield. We both had the same birthday. So like a bunch of the members were like birthday day like us, like, and they were ecstatic. So we got like a cake here, we got a kick at this family's house, and like we just had food all day. It

was an amazing day. And and this this lady that was our like our apartment manager, she was also a member of the church. She came up to her. She's like, guys, have you have you ever seen the lady with like you know, the boil on her face. And we were like no. She's like, okay, well, she lives around the corner. I sometimes check on her. If you guys can check on her, you know, when you're out, if you're in the area, go take a look at her. Just to make sure she's okay. And so we're

like okay, and and we never did. We could never find her. Like we we would just be in the generator, would be like, okay, let's pass by this one street, see if she's there. She didn't have a house, so we couldn't. There was no address. She just said she was on the street. Yeah, that's what we thought. And so we never saw her. And so as more of a missionary, is what you do sometimes is you go on like interchanges where you go with someone

else's companion for the day. And so I got this. I got this companion. His name was Elder Espinosa, and he was from Mexico, and he had previously been in this area in now Parka, and he was he was like, oh, dude, I love a parque. Have you ever seen the Witch? And I was just like no. He's like, well, she lives in this area. And I was like, okay, all right, saying it so casually, Yeah, you ever met the witch?

Yeah? So I was like the boil on her face and boil on her pant and and so I was like, no, I've never seen her. And so he's like, okay, well I just got to preface this, like, if you ever see her, don't mention my name. And I was like why, He's like, okay, Well, when I first met her, she was crouching on the ground drawing in dirt. And she was just drawing, and so we were, you know, she was just with

her back towards us. So we were going to say, hey, how are you you want a pamphlet or you want to learn about this and that. So we went we went up to her. She had drawn Espinosa in the dirt. Wait, so you found her this, he's telling you. So I'm on an interchange with him and he's telling me a story when he was there, like a couple of months ago. He's like, don't ever mention my name to her because she knows my name for some reason. Yeah, so he like, this is a couple of months ago. He questioned,

Yeah, did you wear name tags? We did? Okay, So she maybe saw his name and drew it in the dirt quite possibly, okay. I well, from what he said, there was no way because this was his first time encountering her and she had already written espinosa. So it was like some supernatural things. She knew his name that's what That's what he's saying. Okay, Yeah, he's trying to understand knowing his name right. And and so he went up to where I was like, can we give

you a pamphlet? And she he looked at the ground and it said Espinosa written out and she turned around and she didn't say a single word. And they noticed the boil on her face. And when I say, boyle, I don't mean just like you know, like the Timmy Turner like our parents type boil. I'm talking about like mass, like a giant mass on her face. And so she turned around and she's like and it's I'll get into it later, but but she like turns around at him and she says,

espieno saw and she tackles him. And so and Espinosa was he was a he was a karate instructor, karate instructor, or maybe he just did karate back in Mexico. But all he did he kicked her in the face. He kicked her in the face. She was gonna attack him, she's attacking him, yeah, and he just kicked her in the face. And then they took off, and and so he's like, if you guys ever see the witch. You don't mention my name. I also kicked her in the

face. I was like, I was like, geez, like the Mormons are like abusing this poor lady and they're calling her the witch for some reason. She was trying to get him. Well yeah, but in my head, I was like, okay, dude, you're overreacting. You definitely like could have just like didn't need to kick her in the face. And so whatever. And so fast forward, me and Littlefield are in the park and this lady just told us, you know, look out for this lady she

whatever her name was, people call her the witch. Whatever. So we're in the area and uh, and so we go down the street that and this is a couple of weeks after the lady had told us. And we go down the street and there's this lady sitting on a car back to us, and surrounded by her are like thirty wild dogs. Like thirty I was maybe maybe I'm exactly maybe like fifteen that there were too many. That's a lot of more than you can remember. Yeah, you know what I mean.

She had a lot of dogs, and the dogs are really common in Argentina. There was always wild dogs everywhere. But she had them all congregated, just like sitting around her, standing around her, just doing her familiars, and and we go up to her and she had her back turned to her, turned to us, and I was like, do you want a pamphlet? And she turned around, big old boil on her face. I was like, shut closed, weeping. She had like ooze coming out of

her boil and all this stuff. It was not a good It was not a good Uh. It was not a good boil. I've seen some good boils in my life, but that was not a good one. This was a bad boy. It's the fact that she's a witch. Man like. So the reason why they called her the witch is because she always had a pack of dogs with her and she would always be drawing like hexagrams or like little like figures in the sand. And obviously what happened with Espinosa, that

happened. And so she was like I've been looking for you guys, And we were like why, and she's like, well, someone told me you can help me, and so we were like, yeah, we can do what we can. Like do you need physical assistance? Do you need like monetary or like food? Do you need food or something like that she's like, no, I need spiritual assistance. And so she's like, can you

guys give me a blessing? And we're like, okay, that's not like nobody really knows that missionaries can do blessings in Argentina, Like they know very vague things like we wear white shirts and ties and we talk your ear off. She was like, can I have a blessing? She knew she knew it, and so I don't know if someone told her that, but she asked for it specifically, and we're like, yeah, what seems to be the problem. She's like, this thing on my face, it doesn't go

away, and they need you to take it away from me. And we're like, well, we probably can't make it go away, but we can probably provide you with some comfort that it will get healed over time. And so she was like, yeah, i'd love that. Come to my house. And we're like and she was standing in front of a house and we're like, is this your house? And she's like, no, that's not

my house. I live there, and she pointed and there was like a little like it wasn't like a forest, but it was like a very heavily wooded area and she's like follow me. Boys, did you when she pointed, did you even see a house? No? No, there's nothing, no, bro, It's like she's gonna eat you. So she's like, I live in there. I was like, you have a house in there. She's like, yeah, I have a house in there. You've never seen it. No, never, I've never read it there, I've never

made it. Can So we walked probably fifteen twenty minutes through like heavily wooded area and this was already like I was like, she's an older woman, like she there's no way she can kill us, Like we can take her. We can, fright. And my companion, my companion out of littlefield was like a champion wrestler. He was a football player at by U and

he was a champion did I say weightlifter or wrestler wrestler. So he's a champion wrestler, champion weightlifter, bodybuilder and he played football and so he's very big. And I was like, I was like, you can, and I'll chan't and I'll bless him. I'll kick her in the face. You're the spellcaster. And so we're walking for fifteen minutes and so finally like we start getting in the general vicinity where it starts to like get less wooded.

She's like, we're almost here. We're almost here. And as we're walking through it, she just has like things hung up by strings, like there's like baby dolls, there's people straight up the movie which she has all types of things. And she had Mormon pamphlets hung up like she had like she had hung up Mormon little pamphlets. She had a bunch of stuff. She had like a Bible and a tree, and she had like a little cross

here and there, glass, there are crystals, there was everything. She had a bunch of stuff hung up and it was all around her yard. And then and so we get to her house and it was just literally like a handful of like ply plywood things like put together and like a tarp on in the woods in the woods in the woods. And then she had a mattress out front with a little blanket, yeah outside outside, and then she had a blanket on top of it, and she's like we can sit here.

And so we sat there and we were like okay, well, usually what what we do is we you know, get some information about like what is like you know, what is your ailment or like whatever to give the blessing. So we just have some general idea and and so she's like, well, I just have this like boil. I think it's cancer, Like can you kise cure cancer? And I was like, I've never cured cancer

before, never done that before. And so she's like, this is my problem, and like whatever, and I just always I always feel dark and I always feel depressed and I always and I was like, okay, all right, that we can go on. And and not neither of neither of us had like the consecrated oil that we carry, like we're supposed to have it, but we forgot it. And so we're like, okay, we forgot our oil. We have to go back to get it. And so she's like okay, I'll wait here. You know, you guys know how

to get back. So we go back, and the way home, we're not feeling good. We're like this is kind of sketchy, like this doesn't feel right, and and so we flipped the coin. We're like, are we gonna do it? Are we just gonna ditch it? And it landed heads or whatever, and we were gonna do it. And so we grabbed the oil and we come back and generally, So I just give a little

preface to how blessings work. For typical blessings, like you put the oil on people's heads and you put your hands on their head, and then it's more or less a prayer. But like you're supposed to like attune yourself to like the spirit or whatever, and that will guide what is said. And so I've given many blessings, and the majority of them I don't speak like I normally speak. I speak very fluidly. I have words to say that

are like pertinent. And there have been handful of times that I've said things to a person that they had never mentioned that they were saying it was ailing them, like I was sibling coming through something. Yeah, something was coming through me. And you know that's a one off, a handful of one off experiences that I, you know, I thought were really cool. And so with this lady, she came back or we came back to her, and so she was like, Okay, who's going to give the blessing?

And we were like, well, we typically ask who you want to and you can choose either of us and whichever one, and she pointed to me, and I was just like okay, like I guess I'm gonna do it, and again like I don't have like my Spanish was not very good at the time or whatever, and and so I was I had some anxiety that

was going to struggle and like what I was going to say. And so she's like okay, ready, and so we put the oil on her head and I put my hands on her head and like, I can't tell you, like it wasn't physical pain, but it was like mental anguish that I

like felt the entire time. I was like like I was stopping myself from saying the things that were coming to my head because all I could say where it's just like it felt like you have a painful journey ahead of you, like there is despair in front of you, like there is nothing good to come. Like that is all I could That is the only thing that was coming to my mind. And I wouldn't say any of it. And so little Field's like it's like tapping me, like we have our hands like this

and his hands on top of mind. He's like tapping my hand. He's like, say say something, And I could not physically say anything good. And so I was all you felt was bad. All I felt was bad. And so all I said was, you know, everything is going to be okay. You know, all I can say was everything is going to be okay. The end of your ailment is near. And that's all I said. And I said that in the name of Jesus Christ. And I said amen. And she's like, I do feel better. And I was

like, oh, that's good, because I couldn't say anything else. And so boom, we're out of there, like we're like the day is over, like we're not doing anything else because we just felt weird. You left immediately, Yes, we left immediately afterwards. We went back to our apartment and we just chilled and and so the next day, oddly enough, was Sunday. Oh I'm forgetting to say this. That day was Saturday, and so she said, you know, I do feel better, and we were

like, do you want to come to church with us tomorrow? We'll come pick you up right here on this on the street where we went into the woods and we can walk to church together. And she's like, yes, I would love that, and so we were like, awesome, we can take someone to church. Maybe she'll feel better going to church, maybe she'll make some friends. Whatever. And so tomorrow The next day was Sunday, and so we're like, okay, we got to get up a little bit

early, got to get ready. We're gonna go pick up the lady, the witch. And so we go there and we stood at the corner of this little like wooded area for a little while. We stood there for probably ten minutes, and then we like went in. She wasn't at her house, and so we were like, okay, I guess she didn't want to come, which was very typical of people that said they wanted to go to church. And so we just went to church. And then while we're at

church, our landlord or our apartment manager lady was a member. I had said that earlier. She came up to us and she's like and she was late for church, and she was like, elder, did you guys go and talk to the witch like I said, And we're like, yeah, we actually visited yesterday. She's like, okay, well, I just had a strange interaction with the police. She died on the street in front of your apartment building. Oh wait wait wait in front of your apartment building.

Uh huh h. She was was this Saturday night. It was a Sunday morning. I don't know. All she said was she was late to church, and we left early. So I want to say that from the time that we left to the time that she our manager, got to church, because she was church is three hours in Mormon church. She was gone for the first two hours. They had found the witch's lady dead in front of our apartment building too, So she walked did she even know you lived there?

So she walked to your apartment building just to die in front of your building. That was freaking she died, but that was for you. Yeah, and so and so I was always freaked out about that. I was like, the like, not to make light of it, but yes, I feel like for some reason, the only thing I could say was just

like, you're ending, You're ending the suffering that's happening. And then she died in front of our apartment complex, and I was like, what the heck, dude, Yeah, that was That was one of the utter experiences.

Oh, oh my god. Okay. I feel like the way that my mind is like making sense of it is like, this is a person who has obviously like devoted their life to dark practices, dark magic, whatever whatever you want to call it. And the physical body this incarnation of this soul has done so much evil and so much darkness that it was like this incarnation is just not redeemable, Like this incarnation is done. We just got

to go to the next one and see if it works better time. And it was like she was waiting for any sort of divine interference to come in and just let that happen. Interesting, and she maybe even knew like my thing is like why you you know what I mean, Like you ever thought about that, like of all the thousands of people she's ever met throughout her life, Like why did she have this freaky experience and drop dead in front

of your apartment? Dude? Like that's weird. Yeah, I didn't kick her in the face, So maybe I was the first nicest person that he just won a spiritual battle. Yeah. Well, I mean I think it's all like divine, like it's already written, it's right destiny. So she just saw it. No matter what, it was going to be him, right, it was always going to be you, and she just she could obviously see things that no one else could see. Yeah, she knew name

before he walked up, like the Mormon pamphlet. I think she knew you I think she knew I don't think she knew you. I think she knew that the end was near, because I don't think no one else did that, right, Like you all were the only people that she invited to her home. And then I think it happened to be you. And then I also think that you channeled in that moment and peered into the future, and

you knew exactly what was going to happen. And so I don't think you did anything except except except like channel the future, which is crazy in itself. Like a part of me, like the fantastical part of me, wants to say that like some like I like, I want to say that there is some type of like leash or tether when you are like going on in like the spiritual like practices that like in the case for like entities that latch

onto people. And I want to say that, like something was negative that was attached onto her, and I possibly just broke the tether and that time and that allowed her just to like to move on, to move on. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I don't again, Yeah, oh that's what it seems like. Yeah, I mean that's it.

She was obviously you Bless the wis a very tortured soul living on a mattress in the plywood hut in the woods with all this shit hanging on the tree, talking about like Curson and trying to tackle I mean, she's she's messed up, man. She was crazy from all the probably spirits. I mean, I'm serious. I don't know. I again, I like, I don't know anything about this lady other than that she would know people's names. She would always dray those things. So I'm sure she was heavily into the

darker side of the occult. Unfortunately, just through being in our situation where we're knowing about to the greater public, you know, with our little ufoks or whatever, Like, I haven't met people like that that. I'm like, there is something else behind those eyes, right, and it's a very uncomfortable feeling, but it's very noticeable sometimes, yes, like yeah, and there's just like especially if you're sensitive to energy. Look that motherfucker right there.

He's scary. There's people that are just like sensitive to energy. There was this there's this like beer and wine store in Fayetteville Scherise. You know, I haven't heard of it. It was it's been around for like thirty years. It just closed during COVID. But the owner, Sharie, she was like very into witchcraft, like very everything. There's all kind of spiritual stuff in there, you know whatever. And I had this youth pastor.

My youth pastor is a kid. His name was Joel, and he's like super devout, like like a kind person like but like super knowledgeable, like a real, you know, dedicated spiritual man. And he said the first time he ever walked in there, she like stopped what she was doing and looked at him, and she was like, uh, what did she say? Exactly? You know what's funny, man, I was thinking about this

story in my head when he started telling them. You remember this. Yes, she said something to him like like she recognized that he was a Christian, Yeah, she said, she said, there's there's there's something strong surrounding you. There's something very strong surrounding you. And and she said, uh, she said something vague to the effect of like is he with you or like something along those lines, and Joel said Jesus, and like she was

like kind of like yeah, and he was like yes, ma'am. And she was like, Okay, I kindly I have to ask you to leave. Really, the thing that's important to mention about this guy is you would look at this man and you would not think he's some spiritual dude. I

mean, like not not stereotyping. I'm just being for real. Like you could say he had gauges all over, piercings, hella tattoos, he looked like a death metal head because he was Yeah, yeah, he didn't look like a pastor, but yeah that Yeah, you'd look at him and be like, you know, the typical person would be right, but he really wasn't. He was one look at him and was like with you. That makes you think of the what's the quote, the armor of God. Yeah,

dude dances. I love that man. I love him God bless Yeah, he's awesome. I love he's awesome. But I don't know. It's like some people are just hyper sensitive and and whether that's through practice or whether it's like some kind of natural thing. I feel like that woman she just saw it all. She saw everything, and like she was tapped fully in

and she gave away her humanity to be a vessel to those spirits. So it's like, you know, she she probably had knowledge that we don't have yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, that's what I'm yes, yes, right, but like I don't think she had any like humanity left left. Yeah, it was over and she it was it was it was it was deforming her body, dude, like very what could have been? Well, that's the four about witches is they grow those boils and warts and

stuff from all the black magic. Yeah, they manifest themselves physically through through ailment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's like a textbook witch. She lived in a hut in the woods, literally following me to my house in the woods like hansel Li Gretel and had Effige. She's hanging from trees and and like we literally the last time he was here was well maybe not technically was that the Halloween acon? I think so the last time Yeah, yeah, no, it had to be. Yeah, it had to

because we recorded the Halloween episode weeks before that. Okay, yeah, the last time he was here. We just watched Blair Witch Project, oh really for their first time. And it's dude, it's literally like in the woods. FG's hanging in the trees the little Stone mountains and like, I know it sounds like I'm making this up, like it does sound like it's blair Witch, but I promise you, like, no, no, no, I think blair Witch is getting them from real Yeah that's what I'm saying.

Ye, yeah, I would agree. There's a reason that there's thousands of years of folklore about witches and they're all the same, like it's always the same stuff. Then you just happened to meet a woman that everybody calls the witch, and it's like textbook Well she knew the dude's name and like all of the man like and I don't want to say that it was like anything

that I did. Uh, Obviously, like I was like the vessel of which things happen happened, But like I don't necessarily think that the power came from my ability. I think every human being, whoever, from whatever religious background or spiritual background, could have been that that right total at the end of the day, the way I see it is like people out there have their opinions on Mormonism, and obviously you're not a part of it anymore.

So there's a part of you that says, I don't one hundred percent commit to this anymore. We can argue all day, is it right, is it wrong? Is Christianity, right, is it wrong? It doesn't matter, because at the end of the day, what does matter is the individual being who believes that it's real, believes that it's right, and has that genuine desire to serve God. And you had that right. You had that mindset, I serve God. I am a part of this light. You

had the intention to spread that light. For sure. Doesn't matter if every Mormon practice was right or wrong, because you had that intention and it was using you. Because at the end of the day, I personally believe God is bigger than any practice. God can see. You know, maybe maybe you're a part of this practice that you know doesn't have every little part right, But like I see what you mean, I see what you feel, and I see what you're trying to do. Right, I'm gonna use you

or I'm going to be a part of you. For sure, you're trying. I agree. So I do think that that light was with you? Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, truly for sure it still is. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, It's like it's like the other encounter, you just happened to be there. There were there are a very few coincidental experiences. Yeah, yeah, well there's a couple more things I want to hit and then we can wrap. Yeah, you told me this story several weeks ago the drums, So yes, it's a little bit of a

shorter one, but it's super fascinating there. I also have another story, yeah, that I'd like to touch on too. Yeah, it just again it's all happened, since it all happens like very conveniently, but like for for the one that you're talking about that with the drums, we had gone to this this girl's house and it was fairly late in night, so we

were like, can we come in? And she's like, actually, know, on's something we had to rule as missionaries that we're not allowed to enter the home of like a single female just because we're two males and we just don't want to disrupt anything like that or like cause any trouble. So we're like, okay, well your dad's not home, so we can't come in.

She's like, okay, well, you know, we can plan another time when my dad's home and whatever, and so that was cool, and so we just decided to walk around in the block and it was getting late and so we just decided to you know, talk to whoever we could but he was getting late. We didn't want to disturb people too much, so we just started to head home. But like, right in front of the girl's house that we had gone to, we passed by your house again.

In front of her house was it was. It was like a rentable area. It was like a little facility that people could have. It was like a communal area that people could rent out. Oh yeah, but he was in closed. Yeah, for events for you know, weddings or whatever. But this Umbandista, this voodoo practicing religion would frequently rent it out on the weekends. And so like so how how we knew is because there were windows. There were very slim windows that we could see in, and we could

just see people gathering around there with big old drums and whatever. And we that's all we saw for the time being. But we started walking away because it was getting dark, and all we hear is the drums started, and we're like, oh oh. I was like, oh, that sounds cool, and and so that was that was mainly the majority of it. I

was like, that sounds really cool, and so whatever. A few days go by and I'm talking to a different elder that we had like a little reunion, and there was this one elder smith who he had he had gone to Africa as well, and they said that they also have similar like practices with drums or whatever. And he said, he was like, you got to be careful with the drums because I too, because they do have a certain line knowing people who have experienced the drums. Oh yeah, so he

what this guy told me, He was like, be careful. When I was in Africa, they said if you hear drums at night, not to go out. They're very enticing. They you know, they're it gets you in a trance. Yeah, And so I was like, okay, well, like I didn't think anything of it. Again, like very ignorant.

And you know, we're out in the same area. We go back to this girl's house again like that's not home, and so we're like, okay, we'll just walk around in the area and we start heading back home again and again like they're there, drums are immediate and so like I'm just hearing the drums and I'm like, you just want to go check it out, Like I'm just talking about it. I'm like, you just want to go check it out. So we like, you know, kind of like dance

around. The doors were closed, so we couldn't really get in, and we're like, no, I don't know, like we got to get home, and and so we're just walking home and we just keep hearing the drums and every time I'm just looking back, and I just had this insane feeling. I was like, dude, I want to go see what's going on. I like, I just had this compulsion to just keep going back. And then like throughout the rest of the night, I'm sleeping in bed,

like I just hear the drums. I'm like if it was kind of like Jamanji, like you know the Jamanji drum, Yeah, like get very tribal. Yeah, And I was just like, oh my goodness, Like it just like I could not control myself from like thinking of being there like like Jamanji. It was. It was just like I like, I wish I

could be in there. And still to this day, like I hear those type of like rhythmic drums, I'm like, it brings me back to that exact moment where I'm like, that was the strongest I ever felt that. I was like, I just want to be in there, like I could have brust down the doors and gone in there if I really had the gumption too. But that was the that was the moment where I was just like, that was something I could not explain it, and it was like physically

I could not control myself. I've seen videos in Africa of like drum circles where they would do magical acts like eat fire and put it in their eyeballs and stuff, and they weren't harmed because it's this guy John Alexander, who Colonel John Alexander, who he's you know, he's very He's rights in my dad's book and he's written about my dad and his book. He was on

the History Channel with us. He's just very He's he's like the guy for the United States government who for the last fifty years, behind the scenes, has been in charge of studying the paranormal. So he's gone literally all over the world to even like remote locations one hundred miles out in the wilderness of Mongolia, just for this specific day in the year where the Mongolian reindeer shaman would do these like interesting shamanic rituals and stuff. He's like he's going to

observe them in person. He's like backpacking, swimming, our Great White Sharks. Like he's just doing the craziest stuff. Dude. He's like a real life Indiana Jones. And he came to our house for the first time in twenty fifteen, and he had all these videos about. He showed us the Mongolian reindeer shaman when he and his wife were there in person, and he

showed us that they would just do this rhythmic drumming in Africa. And I have to say, I've been a drummer in my whole life, No, since I was sixteen, not my whole life, and I had never heard drumming like that. It's it's very distinct, it's very it's very I can't

feel it. You feel it, yeah, inside you. And while he was showing us this video that he captured in his research, I'm talking like he's standing there in the footage with all these people and they're all around him and they're like dancing around with fire and they're eating it and they're not harmed. They're doing these weird miracles and there's people in a circle around this bonfire and they're do and they have they'll have other people. It's like marching band

where they have different drums and they'll inflect up. It's like do do do do do do? Yeah, it's like it's rhythmic, it's musical. It sounds insane. Dude. They have all these different pitches that they're playing at the right point and he's explaining how it just gets you into this trance state of mind where they can do these incredible feats. Like literally, dude, they're putting fire in their eyeballs like this, and they saw the video.

They weren't burning nothing. They're putting it in their mouths. Oh my gosh. This is something that I know almost nothing about. Like I've always known. I always heard people like drum circles, it's the spiritual thing, blah blah blah whatever. I don't know almost anything about it. And that sounds so wild. It can be good too, you know, it could be used for good thing. I can still feel it from my trip really like I like, did you hear drums? Yeah? In my on oh your

mushroom trip. Yeah, I thought you meant your mountain trip. Yeah. I had this like it was in my head and it was the same type of thing. It was just like very Yeah, it was very rhythmic, and I kept wanting to hear it like more, more and more. Right, Yeah, this is so strange. Well, it's like, what's weird this is? I've just remembering this last weekend. I was in the mountains and uh me and Casey were wandering around downtown Waynesville and we were looking for

just like a coffee place to go and whatever. And it was like five or six at night whatever. We had just had dinner, and we were just like walking around and we passed by this one place that looked like weird on the inside and there was no one inside, but the door was open and it looked like it was a coffee place, but it said kava you know, the like the herb people take kind of like crad them. Yeah,

so it was supposed to be like a kava bar or whatever. And so I got on my phone and I was like, well, I want coffee. I don't want kava or whatever. And uh I was like, let me look for a place. No coffee places anywhere around us, which was like that's weird and weird. Yeah, we just happened to be like on the edge of Waynesville. And I was like, all right, well, I don't you want to see if this place has coffee or something, and so we walked in and there was one guy behind the counter and he

was super nice, super cool and whatever. I was like, do you have coffee, and he's like, yeah, totally made, like the best coffee I've ever had. This is just a guy who's hyper obsessed with coffee. He was also a former UFC fighter, like like wow, like he's been on TV and like all kinds of stuff. But then he did ayahuasca and was like left it all and changed his whole life and got really into coffee. So anyway, me in case you're sitting there chopping it up with

this guy. He's so cool. We're talking about mushrooms and ayahuasca and all this awesome stuff whatever. And then this other guy walks in who like looks like Johnny Depp mixed with like Mickey Rourke, like a very very strange looking guy, and he's like hippie vibe, like super cool whatever. And anyway, we struck up like a twenty minute conversation with him about drum circles. But it's just this past weekend too. This is that's crazy. He just

got back. It's kind of really weird and uncanny. That I've never even had a conversation about drum circles till last weekend, and then now we're sitting on this show talking about it right now, Like I don't know. That's a weird convergence to me. And the way the guy that walked in talking about the drum circles walked in like immediately after I ordered a kava and I took a sip of it. What was that? Like, I've never had any experience with that. I've done it, I've done it before. What's

the purpose of it? I'm just curious. Well, I didn't know, but apparently it is like a spiritual practice. It's like one of those spiritual medicines, like you know, all the other ones that you know over whatever. But the guy behind the counter, he was telling me all about it and it was so cool, and but it's like it's all overwhelmington too. I've just never It tastes awful. First of all awful, but it has this like a couple of minutes after drinking it, your whole entire mouth will

go completely numb. Interesting, and then another like five minutes later, your whole body goes numb. It's like it feels like taking a muscle relaxer. Really yeah, I don't know if you've ever taken a muscle relax It makes your body feel like it's it's and then also it has this effect on your mind where you think about everything, at least in my experience, like so

much more simply. There's not all these extraneous crazy your thoughts are like hyper focused, and it like just very chill and it almost felt like a kind of flow state. I was just like, damn, I'm chilling right now, Like you know, it wasn't anything crazy tripping and were now altered. No visual I mean, it's legal. You can just walk right in and get it, so it can't be that crazy. Yeah, yeah, no, And it was really cool though. The experience was awesome. So I

got something to go and I did some in the air BnB. Is this something that you'd recommend? I've only done it a handful of times. The only other time was, uh, it was like back in college. I went to visit Nathan and Boone and he was like, there's this thing called cover and I'd never heard of it, and we ate it in the form of a chocolate bar and everybody in like there was like ten people in the room. We were all literally like like slumped, completely slumped, but we

were all feeling great. I mean, I've had a couple of positive experiences with it. I don't I wouldn't say I've like tried it enough to necessarily recommend it, But I don't know. If you feel like I could give it a shot. It definitely seems safe, yeah, you know, I don't. I don't know if it's like a date. It's not like a drug or oh dude, you get it in at a coffee Yeah, I got it at a coffee bar. It just tastes like dirt. It's like

drinking dirt. You know what's popping up right now too, is ceremonial cocal powder like raw. Yeah, it has effects. I haven't tried it, but I've never tried it either. But some people, I want to say, will snort it, like not snort it, but like you know, with like the tobacco that they like inhale it really quickly. Yes, yeah, apparently you can do it like that too. And yeah, supposedly like cacao, uh, it makes you have bursts of you for positivity, it's

just braught chocolate. It sounds like a straight edge party. It sounds like a hippie party. Yeah, let's do it, let's go good. Yeah that's wild man, that's that's cool. But the Coppa things, that's wild that you brought that up, because I've seen it all around Wilmington popping up. But I'm like, I knew what it was, but I just never cared enough to look into it. So you know, I'd like to try it. No negatives for me, Yeah, for sure, interesting chill.

So there was something else I wanted to hit. Yeah, and it's you know, it can be brief. But skywatching, well yeah, just just you know, like what you saw, what you So I'll relate one in Argentina and then we recently went skywatching. So there was a one time in Argentina that I skywatched unintentionally before I before you knew about all. Yeah, and I was just like I was kind of, you know, down on

my luck. I was kind of in like a low place, and so I just I also had like an herbal drink mate, and Argentina's like, oh, like you're a mate. That's cool stuff. It's not like the cold drink. It's like the hot herb with the hot water and stuff like that. Yeah. So I was just drinking that outside and I was trying to be in my myself. Is that the world? Like the hell of green powder on top of the side, Okay, okay with a straw. That stuff is special, man, I am like to be honest, it'll

make you shit your pants your first time. I believe it. But it's pretty good. So I went outside and I like had my little mate and I was just like, man like, I just want to see something. Like I was just really in like a mode I just want to see something. I was just like, let me see a shooting star, let me see like a light, or like, let me see something cool. And it was it was like exactly what I saw your at your dad's house.

It was just like a little stars like a soup. And then it just like chilled there for a little bit and it was like zoop and it just disappeared, and I was like whoa. And at that time, I was like, shooting star. Cool, shooting star that stopped in the frame of reference. No. No, I was just like that's just a that's just

a shooting star. Like that's all I thought. But looking back on it now, I was like, okay, like maybe I'm misremembering, but I do remember it like stopping slightly so and that's what I have seen at you know, the Bloodzou's house. But that's exactly what you saw. Yeah, yeah, well it was crazy, is is Uh So for my during my brother's wedding, the night before, we all came over chilled and it was

a little foggy. Nights. Yeah, we went two nights in a row and uh the first night was pretty foggy, but we did some cloud busting and there was like a little pocket and we did see uh I want to say, at least one in the clouds, but there was one that was like trailing the forest like outline or like the wood outline, like a little further back, and it was pretty lit of the ground, so it was just kind of weaving its way through the through the woods. But the next

night we're all just chilling. Again. It's pretty late. Maybe it's not late. It was just good. It was after the wedding. It was about eleven o'clock. Oh yeah, maybe it wasn't eleven o'clock, and and it was just it was popping off. There were quite a few, weren't

there. There was probably at least like ten. Yeah, for sure now, And like it's crazy too that it worked out that way where there was more on the second night because Dad and I mean we're always talking privately, like just filling the vibe out, and we were convinced that the first night was so quiet because there were some friends in town like Alan and I'm trying to think of Marky's friend's name, Saxon. Saxon. Yeah, yeah, a couple of guys who we had never met, right right, and they're

fairly skeptical. Yeah, I have no clue they they they're just there, you know what I mean. And like the first night was like Marky and Bobby had already seen many times, you know, so like when they're around, it's like pop up, pap up. But then the friends show up, it's like one little light. Yeah, like it was a pretty big show. Yeah, I could see more, but they did, like they did see something, but again, like I think they were still skeptic.

Cool, like they had saw something else, like okay, I know what that is. They let those obviously know what it is, but they were just like like could it be a satellite? And I was like, come on, We've done this we've done this. Yeah, it could be a satellite, most likely not. But the second night boom popping off. And so Alan was there, and Alan is more skeptical than Saxon. Saxon believes in like a bunch of stuff, but he's skeptical and when like seeing firsthand.

But Alan is just skeptical of even the concept. And and so he saw something. He's like, whoa, that is kind of strange. He was like opening up to it and he's like, that is kind of strange. Like it is moving like in an odd direction. It did current curve a little bit, it did turn. I was like it was happening. And so we saw him. We saw him in the tree line, We saw him up in the sky. But at the same time, nobody was paying attention or they were. It was like intermingling. Everyone was kind of

like in a chit chat mode. But I was kind of just like staring off and I just saw it, like this is the craziest one. I saying, like it was like it permeated the sky. It was full on just crazy. But it was like a yellowish white like it was like a ball with a tail, and it just zipped into the sky and I was like whoa. Like, I was like, guys, it's right there, just zipped in. Did they see it? No? No, And I'm saying, I'm not saying. It just zipped in and it like disappeared.

It zipped in and stayed there. I was like no, I was like, guys, it's right there, and it just zipped out as soon as I said it. But again, it's like you believed you got the site. Yeah I was. I'm not telling, I'm not kidding. It was like the most like brightest thing I'd ever seen, and it had a like a long streak of a tail across the sky, across the sky, and it stopped too, like it completely stopped, which is kind of like what

it did the first time. Well yeah, I mean in Argentina. Sure, yeah, it is very similar, which is crazy that that tells me it was a personal thing. And it was like there's a reminder, like, yo, what you saw that night was the right But I didn't at that time, I didn't. I didn't remember the experience that I had Argentina. There was just this like one off experience, but like this time, it was just so bright, long, beautiful tale. And then as soon

as I was like it stopped. It's right there. As soon as this said, everyone's like what it's like. I was like, oh, come on, then playing a joke on it. Yeah, it was pretty cool. And Alan got a video of it. He has a video of it that he I think he looks at it like every other day. Oh yeah, yeah, he's never brought it up to me again. No, well oh whoa. Yeah, we've been playing cod together, so I can't believe he hasn't said anything. But no, he's always like controllers. But yeah,

and Saxon got to see some stuff. He was pretty impressed too. I haven't talked to Saxon in forever, so I'm sure. I'm sure they definitely enjoyed it. They was really cool. That's so dope. Yeah, strange things happened at the Bloodstone House. Yeah, I forget that's even a thing. Yeah. Well, let's just uh, let's just start being more intentional about you being cleared, so like that that negative presence that you think might be there is no longer there, you know what I mean. It's

a good idea. I do think you have the power. Alex is putting his hands over you. Yeah, I do think you have the power. You know, it's just like the intention, you know, connecting with the light, and like you can overcome it. For sure, I would agree it's it's a work in progress. Oh yeah, dude, it happened overnight. I mean, you know, that's how it goes. But at the end of the day, it's like it all did happen for a reason.

Yeah, I'd say there were a lot of benefits that came out of it, for sure, and I think, you know, that's what opened my mind up a little bit more to like these topics. It's like, right, then, maybe that was its purpose. Maybe, yeah, very what could be you know, I'll never know, but right, but you can take it. You can take it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, you have the power. That's that's I feel like that's definitely one of the deepest

episodes we've ever recorded. Today. It's pretty fun. That was awesome. Yeah, I think that's a good point to end. Yeah. Yeah, Alex, you were shining so bright over there with your shirt. Thank you. They'll never see it because they're not on that I mean, you just push a button. Man, No, I don't have a camera. Oh all right, well I guess we will call it there, all right, let's do it all right. Thanks for coming and Bobby, of course we

appreciate you, dude, literally thirty seconds away. I know it was it was hard and arduous for you to make the trip, but we appreciate you for sure. It's a long walk, but there's no woods, you know, there's no witches on thens with ghost hands smashing you into sludge water, not yet at least. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Alright, y'all you one bye guy. Guys. Weird things happen in the backyard of bloodshow House. Yea, so weird coming closer to us, layers straight up

like smiring on the inside of it. No one knows, man, wow this come, or I ever got solid