119: Alive & Kicking w/ Jordan Crowder

Weird thing, weird, weird, weird. Welcome to Bledsoe said, So, we have an awesome guest, my friend Jordan Crowder. It's crazy how we met. Actually, I'm gonna go ahead and tell that story. So Jordan has a really awesome TikTok Alive and Kicking, and it was it is, it really is. It's very riveting content. And I love the style where you're just walking out nature and you're just doing these long form expositions about really deep topics. It's very cool stuff. And it was brought to my

attention. I can't remember it. Maybe it was my sister, maybe it was my brother. Was scrolling through TikTok one day and your video popped up and it was a video about Robert Monroe, Dolorus Cannon and my dad and I watched the video probably three times, showed it to my parents. I showed it to my dad, showed it my other siblings, and great video,

and I was like, man, this is really cool. And I think one thing led to another, and we sent you some messages maybe you tagged us and we got the talking and next thing, you know, we just really hit it off and here we are. So Jordan thank you for coming on the show. I do want an honorable mention. Jordan has an awesome book, Entrepreneurial Spirits. Did I say that right on? It's a tongue twister Entrepreneurial Spirits. And I was saying this when we were off the

air and Nick was like, save it for the show. I had to say. The thing about the book that really has rocked my socks is your part in the very beginning when you're like, I wrote this whole book listening to binaural beats in a meditative state. WHOA, Yeah, that's super cool. So anyway, welcome to the show, Jordan, thank you so much for coming on. Hey guys, this is a huge honor. Thanks for having this is awesome the honors ours. What a genius idea to write with

binaurmal beats in your ear. Yeah, that's so genius. I need to try that with That'd probably be pretty hard to try with music, but uh yeah, I don't know. That's a that's a really smart idea. I love that. Yeah. It just it gets me into the flow state where I can just sort of let go and just let the information come through me and I don't have to really sit there and analyze it and pick it apart.

And that's the only way my analytical mind can really ever write a book is just to let it, let it happen, and get out of the way. It's a good book. I highly recommend it. Admittedly I have not finished it, but like I said, it's it's a really good book. I really recommend it. And you know, I don't want to say anything unless you're comfortable with saying about the book. But I mean, don't want to get into it whichever way you want to go. Guys, Yeah,

let's talk about it, okay. So you know, I just have to ask about the beginning about your dad. I mean, are you comfortable talking about any of that stuff. Yeah. It's not that I want to know specifically about your dad. It's more so about well the experience you had with it and how you grew from that. I mean, I know it's in the book, but I want to hear from you. Yeah. So, like writing the book was actually a big part of my For the last

four years or so, I've been going through like a recovery process. You know, I got really, really sick and almost died and I had to heal my body back, and that's where the binormal beats and everything came in. Is I found to basically save my life, I had to lower my blood pressure like very very fast, and I was searching and searching and trying to find the most effective way to do it, and I came across meditation. I was like, all right, well, I need some super meditation,

you know. I was like, what do the what do the Buddhist monks do? What is the most hardcore, like best most effective meditation in the world. Had Yeah, right, I love that, you know, because like my interpretation of meditation, I tried transitental meditation some other techniques and I was just too high strung and I was all over the place and I couldn't do it. And I'm racing against the clock here and I had to

I had to act fast. So I stumbled across something called hemi sync, which was a technology that Robert Monroe created, and it changed my world because I read this article and it was talking about how they actually did MRI scans on Buddhist monks that were hardcore meditators for like thirty forty years, and they were able to get into this meditative state and they were actually like scanning their

brains and seeing the brain the state of the brain waves and everything. And then they compared that to a person in Hemi Sink, and the person Hemi Sink had the same brainwave state. So they were basically able to emulate the meditative state of a Buddhist monk who's been basically practicing meditation daily for his entire life. Yeah, and you can do that pretty rapidly through Hemi sync.

So I was like sold. So I started diving into there's the Monroe Institute and there are awesome, great people, but I wanted the old school stuff.

So I started diving into Robert Monroe's a person how he even got to this point, And I went to all the dark parts of the Internet to find like the original material, Like I got the workbooks and stuff from the Monroans to at the very beginning, I got the stuff they used for the CIA actually ended up co opting this stuff and the CIA started using it to the gate with their project Way program has the basis for their secrets by program,

there's psychic programs and all that kind of stuff. So this this like technique, this method that he uncovered was so powerful that even the Cia was like, we got to use this, and I guarantee you they still do to today, but or at least this is the basis, that the fundament, the foundation for a lot of these things. And so I was like, okay, well if it can do all those things, if if I can basically traverse this dimension, I can send to higher levels of consciousness,

I can remote you, I can do all this wild stuff. I was like, I got to be able to lower my blood pressure, right, So I used it for myself first, to heal myself. Remember that was such a good reference. I'm see in every office, but you lost me there. And there's a there's an episode when they're like giving blood on one of those like trucks, you know what I'm about, and it's either his klusurl or his blood pressure. He's like, I can raise and lower it

at will me of that? Yeah, man, you picked that one out of the archives. Nice. Oh So, so anyways, I started using it and then you know, we'll talk about this more later, I'm sure, but it just it opened a whole world. I was able to as someone who had never meditated in my life, someone who didn't know so I had a near death experience when I almost died, and then that basically, like the way I describe in the book is that kind of unlocked the doors

to the greater reality. And then when I started getting the deep meditations, that I kicked the doors wide open, and then I was able to to really have some fun and really do some wild stuff. I mean, I spent years like studying the Monroe work, you know, everything about him. I read his books multiple times, became a huge steward of his stuff because

he is one of the most fascinating people. And what happened to him, and the way he was able to leave his body at will, the way he was able to put together this team of like consciousness researchers and out of body explorers, and the way they're able to document everything they did in such a scientific, like military type way was amazing and basically map out the greater you know, expanded reaches of our consciousness and of the astral planes and everything.

No one's ever done anything like this. So I was sitting there, I was reading all this, and I was like, why is this not the most important books in the world. Why is everyone not doing this? I was just blown away. So I couldn't get enough of it. And coincidentally, that's how I actually came across like your dad's book and stuff was because robinn Roe talks about the balls of light a lot, you know,

with your spirits, and that's how I was able, you know. So I'll tell you the story of my dad real quick and then we'll get to the more, you know, the crazier stuff. But you know, basically

he was. He was just a great guy who was just completely not planted in this reality like he like, I literally believe, I firmly believe that that we have a personal bubble that we all operate in and we can manipulate things in it, because I believe, just to give you a peaking of my views, that we're in a kind of a simulated reality, right of sorts. Yeah, and that you can is valuable and it's editable, and

you can change things. And you're your world and you have your own personal reality bubble that you can change things, but your personal reality bubble was floating around in a larger bubble of the greater reality. And the greater reality there's rules and laws and stuff. Well, my dad was a master at manipulating his own personal reality bubble and being able to manifest and do whatever he wanted.

And he lived in this almost like movie. The problem is he was also floating around in the real world where there's cops and laws, and so he did it as a game he liked to like he liked to he was a jewel thief, but he didn't do it for the money, like he lived a modest life. When they busted him, they found out he just had all this stuff stored away on all these lock boxes and all this crazy stuff, and like millions of dollars. And he would go to a place,

he would he would get a job. He would impersonate like you know, like a jewel person, like a well known jewel person, and he would get a job, he would get, earn the trust of the shopkeepers and stuff. When they would finally leave him alone, he would rob them blind. He would move out of state, change his identity and do it again, and just kept doing it. But he never even spent the money. Like he he had liked like classic cars, so he bought a lot

of like old porches and stuff. But he We had no idea I was doing this, you know. We always wondered, like what he did Yeah, yeah, but I was young, so I was just like, you know, he's the centric, you know, but you know, he was harmless. He never hurt anybody. And even when they arrested him, the

the FBI was like they were like seeing his praises in the newspaper. They're basically saying that, you know, they'd never met anyone who could pass light detector tests like this, that he it was crazy, like he he basically he admitted to everything. They couldn't They couldn't bust him on any of this

stuff. They didn't have any like he he was very good at what he did, right, And then in the end they finally just got him because he had been doing it across several states and they finally just nabbed him, and he admitted to everything. He went to prison, and but they they were like gushing about him. And then whenever they did this like you know, news article, you know, you can you can find it online,

news article about when it all happened. They were interviewing you know, neighbors and stuff, you know, because it was kind of a big deal in this little town that we're in. By this point, we'd made it to Florida and that's when he got popped. And but yeah, when they're interviewing people, everyone's like he's so nice. He would like have pick up basketball games with all neighborhood kids. He would like help people out. He would give people money if they died. Like he was he was this very nice,

charismatic like renaissance man. He was a sculptor, he was an artist, he was a collector of all these things. Like he was a great person. But he's still around. We don't have a relationship. It's weird, but like he's he's an interesting person. And like I've I've analyzed him as like I guess like a psychologist would you know, because I'm like, this is this is so interesting. It's fascinating how people, you know, like I don't know how someone can live like multiple different lives and one you

know what I mean. Like on the outside, he appeared a certain way. People would meet himself and they would think he's like this just jolly happy, like perfectly nice, like you would picture him being like a school teacher or something. And then he's you know Robin Banks and Robin you know, doing jewelry, highs stuff like that. So for a couple of years. It took him a while to capture him, and yeah, it's funny. There's some glowing remarks from the FBI about there, like, yeah, he

was pretty impressive criminal and okay, same like everybody loves him. Yeah, how much of a legend do you have to be to do all that stuff be loved by your community? And then the newspaper in the FBI is like, hey, honestly, is pretty dope, crude. He was getting away with it like game orspec game, you know, like like worshiped him. That's he's a green man. I think the thing was he didn't look at himself as a criminal, and he wasn't doing this nefariously. It was just

a game, It's all it was. And they kind of knew that too, because they're playing a game too. If you think about the FBI, their game is to catch the bad guys, and the bad guy's game is

to be a bad guy. And you know, I actually think that we come into this world and we sort of pick our avatar the same way when you play a video game, you pick your character, and maybe he picked a character of this guy, you know what I mean, And then maybe cops pick a character if they're gonna be the cop in this lifetime and they're going to chase the bad guy and this other guy's you know, like Delaura's Kenny, you mentioned her. She talks about it, how it's like a

play. And whenever you you pass on you and you go to the afterlife and you go and reconnect with your soul cluster and stuff, how they'll be like, you know, oh, that was crazy in the last life. Whenever, like you know, you or my dad and I was a kid and we were fighting, or you were you know, you were the coffin, I was the robber. Yeah, yeah, you busted me, dude.

Yeah. So it's funny. It's almost like we just pick these characters and we play the role, you know, and sometimes the role's crazy, and sometimes it's evil, and sometimes it's good and sometimes you know, there's all these different roles. But it really is just this interactive choose your own adventure game that seems that we're in as wild. Yeah, it sounds like like an absolute legend of a person. I just have to say that. But my question is you said he was like he could manifest things just at

will. It's like life was like his stage and he could do whatever he wanted all the time. Do you think I mean, was it intentional? Was he doing like was he intentionally manifesting things or was he just like in the flow state, in like a theta state all the time, or like

what was I think it's part of that flow state thing. I think when you prove to yourself that these things work, when you do things and they work, it kind of becomes I don't know if I want to say addictive, but you know what I mean, you kind of you get excited about it. You're like, oh, I did that and it worked, Let's do it again. And I think he just kind of got swept up in

it. He lost track of reality kind of a thing. Because even after he got caught and he went to prison, he got out and then you know, oh my god, he was Yeah, so he just went to he went to prison for like three years or four years something like that, Huntsville in Texas, and you know, then he got out. And this is when I was like a teenager, so you know, I was probably around ten or so when he went to prison. I don't know, but yeah, then he got out and he'd lived a normal life after that.

You know, he was still my dad. He would go to my track meets and you know, he was, you know, doing dad things and everything. And then he finally he went south on some he was doing some company and he it went south and the funding dropped through and he was doing business with some bad guys and they came after him, so he ended up hitting the lamb and I didn't see him again. This is when I was like twenty or something, so, yeah, I haven't seen him since I

was like twenty or so. And he's still alive. Yeah, still alive, still lives in the same house. But you know, I think he just never figured out how to exist in this world, you know, like you know what I mean, there's some people that are just it's like it's like there's so many rules in this world, and there's so many things that we have to like obey and everything, and there's some people that just can't do it. Like their brain. Yeah, they're just a round, round

peg in a square hole, you know exactly. They're too big, Like their mind is too big to into the confines of this mortal shell. Yeah, there's a quote. I have my book right here, Shameless Plug Spirits everywhere. Check that out. There's a quote if you don't mind, it's just it's what sentence, but it's from the captain, the police captain.

So this is the quote. He is the kind of guy who, if he could have channeled his talents to the good, would be a wealthy man, said Addison Police Captain Steve Higgins. So even the cops were like, man, if this guy was like not doing this for criminal purposes, he would be a millionaire. And my dad knew that, he knew he He was very gifted. He's very smart. He was he was genius level intelligence. But he just for some reason, he liked to just mess with stuff,

you know what I mean. He couldn't just go get a job and do the nine to five. He couldn't just get a legit business. He just it was just all a game to him, you know. And it makes you wonder if these people are almost like higher level people to where they know from an early age this is a game and they don't take it too seriously. Like Rosa Crucians think that the same thing they spend most of their life planning for the next life, kind of a thing like everything's in preparation

for future lives. They're playing the long game. So I love that. That's cool. Yeah, they know that this is just one tiny slipper. It's just one chapter of a book, you know, so they don't take it too seriously. They take it seriously, but they take it seriously in the sense that, you know, get the most out of this lifetime. Come back, do it again, come back and do it again. You're

stacking experiences on top of each other, you know. Yeah, well, you know what, let's let's let's move on from that, because I know we don't want to spend the whole time time I'm at your dad, But thank you for dude. I just I had to ask, because when I started reading your book, I was like, whoa, that's a wild story. So let's let's let's move on to you man. So, like, obviously, as as anybody could imagine, I'm sure that hit you pretty hard

as a kid. I mean, it's not easy for anybody when their parent goes to prison or walks out on them or whatever. So is this and many other things that I've read in your book, are you comfortable with me talking openly about that? Whatever? I know, you got involved with some people that you know, weren't necessarily so good. And yeah, I'm just wondering, like how you fell into the meditation aspect, if you want to elaborate that, like, yeah, like how it's saved you so to speak?

Yeah, totally. So. I mean I kind of look at life as just an obstacle course, Like you know, so all these things are obstacles. I don't resent them. I don't you know, I don't feel victimized or anything. I think that if you look at life as an optical course, we're here, we choose this incarnation to learn and to grow and evolve, and we know that there's going to be all these crazy opticle you know, life is just freaking crazy, and that's good. It builds character.

It's like playing a video game. If if if you're playing a video game and every character, every bad guy that you ran up to just said come on through and just let you through, and you got to the end of the level and you're like, wow, you'd be like this game sucks. I don't want to play this game. Right, So, you play

games because they're hard. A lot of times you even like ramp up the difficulty level too hard, and you're like, I want to play that on hard you know, it's fun and it's it challenges you and that's how you build character. So I think life is like that. I think life is hard on purpose, and that's what we're here for. We're not here to take it easy. You don't learn anything a utopia, you know. So

we're here to be challenged and you embrace it. And so throughout my life, yeah man, and yeah, I've had so many challenges in my life. It's it's nuts. And you kind of have to adapt that mindset to keep you saying and to keep you going because if not, it's easy to look at world as like evil and twisted and why am I victim? Yeah, and because it's easy to find data to back that up and be like, oh, it's a soul trap and all this stuff, But we're in

reality. What my research and experience has told me is that this is more more like a challenging video game than anything. That's just our metaphors we live in this day and age, and that's like grad school for the soul. Yeah, it's a university. I really think that that. That's why they

call them universities like that. Throughout the universe is different. Each planet has its own things that you come to learn and it's like what the rescrusions say, Yeah, yeah, I mean those people know a lot more than anybody else. I mean, yeah, for sure. Back back in the day, everyone was a lot. We're more dense now, we're more physical humans now, back in the day dense in a lot of ways. We're dence

here, but we're dense matter wise too. I think back in the day, people were way more connected to the spiritual real They just they were They saw beings, they got information in a more fluid state, and they just knew more. Now, you know, we get freaked out if we see anything like like your family, Ryan, you see all these these lights and orbs, and people just lose their mind. I think back in the day that was probably very common. I think people were constantly seeing the stuff and

it was just normal. Now we're so dense and we're so disconnected that it's like crazy and people it must be photoshopped and whatever. You know, it's being a it's a it's a whatever. Swam. Yeah. But that bring up a really interesting point, uh, because like, for instance, when Ryan's dad first saw the beings, you know, like Ryan, you you you probably would agree with this. I mean, has your dad always been like a very devout spiritual man, always devout Christian at least. Yes,

he's never been atheist in the slightest. He always believed in God. So so you know, the way I look at it is every like exoteric religion has those kernels of truth in the middle, and I think I think that people like your dad and my dad too, like like you know that are super devout, but they see through all of kind of the muck straight into the middle. Maybe that is why you know he was so willing to accept

it early on. Uh, because I just wanted to share this with you, Jordan, because you said, probably freaks a lot of people out and whatever. When I first started coming around, it scared me to death. Oh ask Ryan's yeah, well he was like a fourteen year old kid. I mean, yeah, you got to take that into account. But for years it really scared me. And it wasn't until a lot of these spiritual things started to click that it no longer scared me. So I just wanted

to share that real quick. Sorry to deal. No, man, that's awesome, because you didn't at first, you didn't have the context, you know, so whenever something just happens out of the blue, You're like, what the hell is this? But then when you put it in a context and you start to research more and learn more, and you realize, oh, it's this and this, you know, it's connected to this, and

you know what I mean. You start to build this context in this like little framework around it, and it makes more sense because something, Yeah, if something just comes out of the blue, you know, yeah, it just if it doesn't fit a pattern, if we're not used to seeing it, yeah, you know, our brains go to the worst case scenario and we start freaking out. Yeah, And I have wondered if you know, it's like in modern times we were disconnected, like you were saying, we're

so disconnected from the spiritual aspect things. And if that's true, then maybe back in the day they weren't so disconnected. And that's why there's all these pictures higher glyphs, all these scratchings of these beings and orbs of light, and also these you know, uh, these things like rose re Crucianism and these other mystic traditions that have been talking about these spirits in the sky all

over the world. Yeah, culture in the world has some depiction of these sky even in you know, all the way over here in Mexico, you know, the serpents of light up in the sky, they leave a trail as they you know, everywhere in that wild. Yeah, and people just like archaeologists dismiss it as it's just art. It's like no, they're they're literally like writing down and carving what they're seeing. It's not art, it's

it's it's it's they're recording what they're seeing. It's observations. And if everyone's seeing the same thing and having the same observation, so guess what it's there? You know what I mean, Like it's like mind blowing, like what a magical world must it have been? Yeah, you know, like I almost just want to like peek into that time and just see what it was like. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's like the

Yugo cycle. Like I really think if you start, if you research the Yugo cycle, like we're we're just at a part of the Yuga cycle where we're in this physical part where where it's it's it's not the darkness. Yeah, so it's it's just not meant to be right now. So some people get to see it. Some people have the abilities and and through things like the the you know Monroe, you know, meditations and stuff, you can

you know, leave this physical plane and be a part of it. But when as far as you're when you're focused, you know, your consciousness is focused in this physical plane right now, and this Yugo cycle we're in. You know a lot of that stuff's just kind of hidden from us, and it's part of it. It's part of a process. It's supposed to be that way. It's not like we did anything wrong or anything. This is just part of the cycle. You know. It's like seasons. You know,

I think we're in seasons. There's like, yeah, during the sas seasons. Yeah, exactly, it's cosmic seasons. It's it's our place around you know, like how we revolve, you know, around like the moon or ball around something. We've evolved around the Sun and all that kind of stuff. The Sun also revolves, our star, our solar system revolves around the super massive black hole, and as it does that, it passes through

all these regions of space that we don't think about. We don't think that, we don't realize that this is the course if you believe that there is space and all those kinds of things. But even if there's not, there's still cycles. And even if it is part of the simulation or it's a virtual thing, it's still cycle. The same way it gets cold in the winter and hot in the summer. It doesn't matter what if you believe the earth is flat around or whatever. It still gets hot in the summer cold

in the winter. There are still cycles in the simulation, right, and as there's still an effect effect exactly. And I think that you know, we are in a season. There's seasons, cosmic seasons, and you know the season we're in right now is this dense materialist season, and it's all part of it, you know. And yeah, that's just what I think. And that's what like the yuga cycle tells you as well. And this is thousands of years old, and yeah, it's essentially kind of like a

calendar. It's like a seasonal it describes this. It's a twelve thousand year calendar. How many are there? How many cycles for yugas? But each yoga is like thousands of years right, yeah, right, yeah, they're like cosmic ages, you know. But you know, the good news is according to some there's different there's different like I guess you could say there's different sections of Hinduism, you know, modern, classical, whatever. They have

different ideas of the yugas and when they begin and when the end. But I'm pretty sure Jordan, you might have some knowledge on this. I learned when I was taking some Rosicrucian studies from doctor Gilbert. He long story there. I can get into it later, but he it's somebody I met through a mutual a CIA type. Yeah. Doctor Gilbert is the man. Yeah,

he's really cool. He lives a few hours from me, and I was introduced to him and I took some courses with him and anyway, so that was my introduction to Rosicrucianism. And I learned from him that, according to a twelve thousand year old Hindu star chart, that the khalie you is supposed to end in our modern Yeah. Yeah, I knew that we were at the end of a cycle. I'm, you know, nowhere near an

expert on any of this stuff. I just think it's fascinating. It explains how if you look through like antiquity, and you look through you know, because I like to study all that, like the catacalysms and you know, the different likewise and falls of civilizations and stuff like that, and Atlantans and that kind of stuff, and it's really interesting and explains why, you know, even though there could have been human civilizations thousands of thousands of years in

the past, they would have been so much different than us because they would have been existing in a different season and a different density and a different you know, like etheric state than we're. Yeah, and it's not really like good or bad. It's not like we're worse now or anything. It's just different. You know. It's kind of like like flowers wilt in the winter, so they don't look as pretty and stuff, but they're still flowers,

you know what I mean. They didn't do anything wrong, they just look kind of shitty in the winter, and then they an analogy machine. You're really sick with the analogies. You got to make sense of it in your

head, you know. Oh, that's that's so true. And I feel like, you know, I always kind of refer to the analogy of like, you know, before everything that we know is like modern reality, like the infinite consciousness in the sky, whatever it was, created everything so that it could have a frame of reference to understand what anything is Yea and the Yuga cycle. It's it sounds very similar. It's like things change every every now and then so that you can appreciate everything. Yeah, you know what

I mean. It's just like we, like you just said, we appreciate the spring because the winter's so bleak, you know, and we appreciate each season more because of the season that came before it. Yeah, And I

think change is important. What I hear a lot of people talk about, like when they study, Like Robert Monroe talked about this when he was, you know, connecting with his guys which were past lives of his and stuff, and they're in the the you know, astral plane, and they would talk about how they made it to Earth and why they're at Earth and why they stayed to Earth and all the different incarnations and that kind of stuff.

And they would always say they got bored where they were before. You've heard people talk about this with like the Roman and Greek gods and that kind of

stuff. And I think that when you are I think we have places like Earth these physical simulators, because if you're an immortal being and you can't die and you can't you know, anything like that, it gets boring right when they get it would get boring, Like do you want to float around on a freaking cloud and play a harp for the the rest of the fraternity? You know, Like who wants to do that? Like gets boring? So

what do you do? You create? You create worlds, You create simulations, You create things to experience and to you know, to to have fun and to have adventures and that kind of stuff. And I really think and to feel exactly, And I think that's what explains a lot of reality. And I think that a lot of this is is we're playing games in a sense. I think they're important games, but I think that they are games in a sense because in the actual realm and then whatever is beyond that act,

I think that there's more beyond that. I think that it might get a little boring, and I think that change is important. So I think that's why they do these things with the cataclysms and with the Yuga cycles and that kind of stuff. It's part is one of my theories is that that's the exact reason that like with Christianity, I was always like, wouldn't it get boring in Heaven? Wouldn't it get like just real boring after a while. I remember being a kid in church, like ten years old, dude,

and like being in you know, they had like the youth. A lot of times they would have like a youth Sunday school, like the adults are out here and the kids are out here, you know, at some churches, and I remember being in those. Yeah, And I remember being

in one of those classes. And as a kid, my family was like, you don't mess around with you don't blaspheme, you know what I mean, you don't question any of it. And I remember hearing kids being like, when I go to Heaven, I'm going to turn into the incredible Hulk. And I just sat there and I'm like me, Yeah, as a kid, I was like thinking in my head, like, man, that

would be really cool, isn't it. Maybe that's what the Greek and Roman gods were, you know, They're like, now I can be the incredible whole if I if I was a god up in the clouds, i'd be having metal shows like metal shows. No, but anyway, Yeah, that's that's really interesting. Yeah, it's like it kind of does get boring here in ordinary reality. But I'm sure and also at some point gets boring up there too, where you know everything and it's perfect. That's why things got

to change. Yeah, that's the thing is like, you know, if you're all knowing and you're you know, eternal and all those things, it would get so boring, you know, because you already know everything and you know. So I think that they create and they create worlds, and they create this like evolutionary cycle and you know, this world will lead to another world and you know, this life form will will create another life form. And I think that's what you see with with you know, us creating AI

and all these things were just constantly creating. If you look at human beings in general, they never stop making stuff. They never stopped creating. Like if you just if you just look like go on a highway in the morning and you just think about every one of those cars, all those people got

up in the morning and are driving to work to do something. You know, like our our society, we just we build and we create, and we want to make bigger things and stronger things and faster things, and we're just building building building, And I've always wondered why, like what are we building tours? Like what are we what is this driving factor, you know, because it's just it seems that to be like inside of us, you know. Yeah, I think it's something inherent. It's like it's inherently coded

in existence itself. That like existence just grows from itself organically, like from the biggest macro cosm to the tiniest little microcosm. Like existence, anything that exists, it just multiplerates, it proliferates. Yeah, yeah, I mean everything, like if you look at like how flowers pollen eight and how you know, everything works. It's just it's that that is life, and we're

just a part of life. Like our job is to grow and expand, so maybe our job here on Earth is to you know, grow and expand off this planet. It really seems like everybody, if you actually look at everybody, they're trying to get off this planet, you know, billionaires and everyone trying to get this planet. And I don't even know if we can. That's a whole probably a whole nother I don't even know if we can. And I have a couple of NASA who agree. I have a crazy

theory, I'll tell you real quick. So I've been working on this that like when like as as we move through and we evolve and we get technologically advanced. They're going to learn in the future, this is just a theory. They're going to learn in the future that we can't get off this planet, so we can't go to like Mars or out of the Solar System. But what they do do is they figure out time travel, and then there's going to come a time in the future where the Earth is having problems,

maybe it's uninhabitab wards, go in that direction. And they know that at this point they figured out where basically in a simulation, they're stuck on this plane here and they know that they can't leave this planet. Where they can do is go back in time. And maybe they went back in time found

a nice, pretty place, and that's what Atlantis is. Atlantis is actually time traveling humans from the future that went back in time because they had to get off of the present day Earth, but they couldn't leave the planet, you know what I mean. And there's a lot of stuff that backs this up. And I have found a lot of really interesting things that back up the time travel hypothesis of a lot of the stuff we're seeing that we can't explain, you know, the Nordics and the UFOs and that kind of stuff

are literally time traveling humans. And you know, if you go back in time, Like there's a guy named Michael Masters and he is a you know, PhD anthropologist and he studies, you know, the past, and he actually started studying the past and it led him to you know, aliens and

led him to future. He was trying to figure out, Okay, are these great aliens actually humans in the future and all this kind of stuff, and he actually is now convinced of the same thing that you know, these are time traveling humans and that it's really interesting and there's a lot of science and data and stuff that backs this up, and it's all just a theory, but it makes you think because he was talking about he's like nature always

sorts of simple and then goes to complex. So there's nothing that he can find in the archaeological record that would explain why fifteen twenty thousand years ago there was an advanced civilization of humans and then they died off and then we went back to like primates and resa and stuff like that, and rece like,

it doesn't make sense, that's just not how nature works. So the only thing that would explain it is if they actually came from the future, and why would future humans just go back to a previous time on Earth At that point there's so you know, advanced technologically, they would leave Earth and go somewhere else. What if you can't leave Earth, what if we're quarantine here, or what if there's no physical way to leave Earth? What they would

do is they would just go back in time. So just the theory, but it's pretty wild theory, and it makes sense, like there's a lot of evidence to support that there was some sort of like hyper advanced civilization a long time ago. Yeah, and it you know, a lot of different cultures point to it. It's not just like from one source or anything. This is I mean, most most ancient cultures have some weird stuff going on that just is like not easily explained. And I really like that theory.

I think that every interesting. I think there have been many cycles of civilization

that live here. I think this is the realm where we cross between the material and the spiritual worlds, and it's like you can imagine like we're inside the heart chakra of a celestial deity, you know, like we're ascending through the spiritual centers of some higher being, and I feel like every cycle comes here to learn how to find love, like true universal cosmic light and love, the real love, not just romantic love, but like unconditional you could

say Christ or Budhic love. And then at some point, you know, individually, we all ascend and don't need to come here anymore. But it seems to be that there are also many times in the ancient past where civilization has been completely wiped out by cataclysms and reset because it's like we said, there's seasons just like winter and then all the plants die and then spring. That has to be on a macro scale too. Yeah, it's it's cyclical. I mean, there's a guy named Jason Bershears. He has a channel

called Archaics. I don't know if you're a heard of it, but if not, check him out on YouTube. He's incredible and he actually was able to put together this chronological like he was in prison for like twenty six years and all he did was try to piece together the true history of our planet and our species and everything, and it's wild, it'll blow your freaking mind.

But he's been able to pinpoint exact the exact like cyclical cataclysm, and it's he's convinced now that we're in a simulation, because he says, it's so fine tuned and precise and it's so precisely tied to the pyramids that there's no way it can be anything but you know, created, like there's no way it can beate advanced or anything. It's it's it is a it's like a time keeping thing. It's it's it's like seasons. It happens, you know, perfectly. It's too perfect, you know, and it's wild.

You said love. There's actually a principle in Rosicrucianism that talks about us being spirits of love and freedom. That's the exact words that they use as that's what humans are. And the way they define love and freedom is it's the polarity. So love is actually bringing people together. Whenever you love someone or something or a community or something, you're bringing you know, things together. It's attraction. It's attraction, yes, and then freedom is the opposite.

Freedom is you want to be free, you want to leave, you want to explore, you want to go away, you want to move away. That's freedom. So the Rescriutians describe it as We humans are spirits of love and freedom, and that's what we are here to explore. That's our purpose on earth is to explore both love and freedom. And neither one's right or wrong. It's just it's kind of like negative positive. It's polarity. It's

light dark, you know, so love and freedom. So I love that analogy because we're that saying because usually hear like love and hate or something like that, and they try to say like one's good and one's bad. But it's not one's good one's bad. It's just two sides. It's like if you have a battery, you have a positive a negative. Well, one's not a bad side of the battery, it's just the opposite side of It's just how energy moves exactly. I like that, replacing the hate with freedom.

I like that because it's more of a positive spin. It's really cool. Interesting. So, how have you like been in the Rosicrucian Order or you're just like us? Were you just like studying it because the material is interesting? No? Yeah, No, I'm not any sort of initia in anything. I try to stay as agnostic as possible across the board, you know. I like to just keep all options on the table because I don't

know what the hell is going on out there. The world's crazy, and every time I think I know what's going on, a month later, I'm like, Nope, that was wrong, and I'm onto something else. So no, I just fascinated by, you know, like that the ancient you know, like the Gnostics and stuff like that, like when people before they

were really indoctrinated and stuff like that. I like to to, you know, kind of pursue what were people thinking back then, back then before these like you know, these groups of power and authority came in and censored stuff and everything like that, you know, before the Roman Church got real big, before all this stuff happened, Like what were people thinking back then when

they were more spiritually connected and that kind of stuff. And you go back to the Gnostics and then you know, the rosicrusions and stuff like that, because they they kind of piggybacked or whatever, you know, off of the NaSTA teachings, and it's just to me, it's just fascinating because they're humans and they're just trying to do the same thing as us, to figure out

what's going on, how can we optimize this earth life experience? Like like, what's our goal, here's our point here, And they came at it from a completely different perspective than anyone now, and when you research the stuff, you're like, man, you can't help but think, I think they're right, Like they're onto something for sure. And then whenever you realize how many people in power, you know, believe these same things and they try

to keep a hush from the rest of the world. And of course he would because like if you kind of discover the secret, you know, you don't want everyone to discover secrets. And it's not a secret anymore, so, especially if you've figured out some way to like manipulate it, you know, like to your favor at power by look, exploit it. Really that's a better way to exploit it. Yeah, I mean, of course you'd

want to hoard that for yourself. Yeah. And I mean a lot of these people, like you know, I don't believe like Masons are bad or anything like that. I think it's just, you know, obviously there's good and bad of everything. But I think it's just once you kind of unlock these things and you realize these powerful techniques and these powerful methods, it's kind

of hard not to let some of that power go to your head. And I think humans are pretty easily corruptible, So I think sometimes these people will do things that we would look at and think that's maybe shady or whatever, but also from their point of view, they look at it like that's what they're supposed to be doing, or they're you know, it's like if you find the cheat codes in the game, you know, and then the other

players get mad at you because you're you have the cheat codes. It's like, well, you're like, hey, y'all can find the cheat codes too, you know what I mean, Like they're out there, you know what I mean. So do the analogies audit? Yeah? Audit No. I like that because like all the ancient teachers and even like the mystery schools, they teach profound mysteries and analogy. And it's because it impacts the subconscious mind. And I think when you paint, when you paint the analogy, it

makes a very simple picture that our mind can grasp. Yes, you know what I mean. It's the easiest way to understand complex subjects just through analogies. Totally off topic, but also not really. I studied kung fu pretty seriously. You could say religiously. For four years, I was part of a very hardcore school three days a week minimum. I was going showing up, was being prepped to be like one of the senior students of the Wing

Chun school. And what something that really impacted me was the Seafoo, which is, for those who don't know, seafoo is the Chinese version of sense. You know, seafoo. So Seafoo would always talk about things in these simple analogies. It's like when you're trying to do a certain hand movement and he would be like, imagine your arm is just a stick floating on the water. Or imagine you're just you know, you're in a certain stance.

Imagine you're just bamboo flowing in the wind. It was all these simple analogies, but it's like, uh, it kind of clicks when you say it that way. Yeah, who else is like that? Jesus, Buddha. The mystery schools. I've been diving into the gnostic methods. It's all kinds of analogies about the mind waking up, and it's very profound stuff. That's to me, that's the mark of a very intelligent mind that grasps the mystery.

So kudos, kudos to you, my friend. Pretty hey. I mean people have always told me to have a way of explaining things where they can understand it. I always just like, that's how my brain interprets things, you know, So I'm not like running it through a filter or anything. I just that's that's the way it pops up in my head. So I just that's how it comes out. Like, you know, I'm known for us in pretty wild metaphors and and cussing a lot and making some inappropriate

connections and stuff. But it's like it's whatever, Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's it's whatever, whatever resonates, whatever gets the message across. It's kind of like like crop circles. I think those are like messages embedded and uh images kind of a thing. You know. It's like it's one of those things where you know, I don't know, it take me forever to explain something in like detail, but you just give like a oh, it's kind of like this and this, and people like, oh,

I get it, you know what I mean. You know, it's like a Confucianism. You know. You know who Allow Zoo is. Yeah, yeah, he's one of my favorite now Zoo's awesome god, and it's amazing and he can like have this. Didn't he RaSE that Heart of War? No? That was oh Sun Soukang. Remind me what allows you wrote? I know the name, I cannot remember the work, you know he for I forget the name too. It's it's an ancient, ancient manuscript.

But he he was kind of like, you know, it's sort of like Confucianism, where like he would be able to say something incredibly profound the same reason like stoicism stoicism, same way they can say something incredibly profound that will change your life and change the way you think about things. And and it's actually just this simple, little elementary type statement, you know what I mean.

But it's like we're just breaking things down, we're breaking complex down the simple and and sometimes that has a bigger impact than you know, some huge equations. Clouds louds sue, it's coming back to me. Did he write something about the tao Yeah, there you go, Yeah you got it. He was one of the like, I mean, not founders, but he's a legendary Taoist. Yeah. It's funny, man. You started reading it and I it just popped into my head toow yea he wrote ta ta ching

yeah, which has been like interpreted and translated a million times. I don't know if you actually can get the original yet so old, but I mean, you know, the the intentions there, and uh, I really like the pook. Yeah yeah, it's so simple. And I mean, you know, I love just kind of analyzing all, you know, all these religions because they all get like a lot of things right, you know. And you may have been onto something, I'm sorry to interrupt, onto something

because Lousi uh did have writings in the Art of War. There were there were quotes and writings in the Yeah that's cool. Yeah, yeah, sweet, that's yeah, that's that's that's super super super cool. I only bring him because you're talking about the metaphor thing and he was a he was, you know, a king at that of Oh yeah, simplifying things, but in a way to where you read it and you're like, man, that

really hit me deep, you know what I mean. It's like it's such a simple just like maybe eight or nine words, you know, isn't the Art of War where that one quote about the warrior in the garden is from now I'm not sure. I want to say it may be, but I mean, look at that for instance, that's an ancient It's essentially just an ancient analogy, you know what I mean. It's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. Like that's that's it.

I haven't heard that. Yeah, you might live peacefully in the garden, but if you're trained and you're a prepared warrior, you're ready for anything. You don't want to be the gardener who's brought to war and you have no training and no preparation. Yeah, you got a lot. Yeah, stuff like that. I love that. Another great example, and then you know

we can we can kick this to the curb. But the karate kid bro, let me tell you, in real hardcore martial arts, the stuff about the wax on wax off, it's like people might think that's a joke. But like wing chun, the majority of wing Chun training was sensitivity training. You know, we would have two hour classes. Only an hour of them was like a battle like, you know, sparring with people. The first hour would be doing some like some some what do you call him forms?

But but the majority of it was sensitivity training, like chisaw lopsole learning. It's like you're you're you're drilling very simple motions with your hands in your arms in order to subconsciously, through repetition, reinforce very complex maneuvers. You know, you can kind of think about it like an analogy, but it's like you're doing this simple thing over and over and over and over to strengthen your muscle memory and learning how to flow, yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah,

how to react. But like they show that in the Karate Kid when he's like he makes him do the wax mon and the wax off over and over and over, and he's like, this is stupid. Why am I doing this? And then it gets to the tournament he starts whooping ass because he has the muscle memory, he doesn't have to think about it. To me, that's like analogy for the mind and deep complex mysteries. I don't know. I don't know if there's a relation there, but I feel like

there has to be. I don't know. I've just always felt that Mark Arts is so like connected to the realm of spirituality. It is you know what I mean, because if you go that route, it is what do you mean? Oh right? Right. You can look at it as I'm just trying to fight, you can, but that's not the whole story. Especially with like traditional martial arts, very meditative trance like states, you know,

being hyper aware of your body and how everything is connected. It can be very spiritual when fighting is always taught as the last resort, you know what I mean. Right, You're taught how to fight, you're taught to be a warrior, but you're also taught to only do it if everything else fills you know, right, And I think that's kind of how life is. Like, you know, sometimes in life you have to fight, you know, but you should try everything else first, you know what I mean,

unless you're in Cobra Kai No Mercy. How's that working out for them? Hey? They got another Netflix true and they drive cool cars and yeah, it's like it's working out all right, that's awesome. So, like, I wanted to bring this up earlier, but I didn't want to cut you off. But did you happen to catch my Dad's book, Like, did you read it? Yeah? Okay, So they talked about this a little bit in the last chapter, but we're actually very heavily behind the scenes,

pretty involved with Monroe, and soon that might change. It might be a little bit more of an involvement hopefully, But yeah, we're very cool with him. I'm one hundred percent behind Monroe. Obviously, we never had the pleasure of meeting Robert Monroe. But you know, my dad and my sister have been there on a private I guess you'd call it retreat, and my sister definitely had an astral travel experience there wild stuff. She told this story on an episode of the show, so check it out. She did.

Yeah, she told that she I can send it to you. I don't know what it is off the top my head, and it was probably a year ago. But the point is you were mentioning earlier about brain scans and how they were finding the people doing the Hemi sync had similar results in

the brain as Lifetime Master meditators. Interestingly enough, on the History Channel episode that recently came out about my dad, they found the same result when they had the brain scan on him and he was connecting with the phenomenon and they appeared same exact data he had. The the theta wave state was very heavy in his brain exactly. They even said it the same way they presented it

the same way. It's like, you know, master meditators. Now this isn't something that I think was explicitly mentioned on the episode, but there was an individual by the name of Colonel John Alexander. I'm sure you could recall him. He was on the episode. He was on the boat ride with my dad and my brother in that segment, and he did a couple of little interview bits. But so the moral of the story is he is the

guy. He's one of the key guys who on behalf of the federal government ran that psychic spy program that was linked to the Monroe and he is especially in this realm that we were talking about and what I wanted to tell you to reinforce what you were saying, and I thought maybe you would really like

this, Jordan. So, for example, my wife and I we've been together ten years now, not married ten, but together ten and she didn't see any of this phenomenon stuff with us until we were together for at least two years. Talk about drive you nuts. You're at the house we lived ten minutes away. She's met all these CIA officers, all these NASSAVE people, all these people from out of town who come and you know, they want a SkyWatch. She didn't see a single thing until two years in Dude.

It was so like she she had this thing in her head like am I unworthy? Am I not a part of this family? Am I wanted? Though? Oh badly? Yeah? Yeah, she believed the whole time, and it was so My point is, around twenty fifteen, we started getting really involved with the Monroe people, not like going to the Monroe but like with Alexander and so, long story short, they they gave us the Hemisinct tapes, which back then you had to buy him for like five hundred

bucks. I think now you can find them free on like Spotify and Apple Music and stuff. They were very expensive, not easy access. They gave them to us for free, like kind of behind the scenes. Don't share this with anybody. My wife starts listening to himI Sync, specifically the Gateway Project, and I'm telling you, man. So, her grandfather died and it was an unfortunate, really sudden like he got diagnosed with cancer in June of twenty fifteen, started radiation, chemo and all that. He was dead

in September. It was a very tragic, overwhelming shock to her family and anyway, so September of twenty fifteen, like the week after her grandpa dies. We go to New York City. Long story short, I'm gonna spare all the details. We meet Alexander and some other CIA people. They give us the Hemi Sink tapes. We get back home, Jenny starts listening to them. Within days, she starts having these profound dreams about her grandpa, who she just lost. She starts having these dreams like she was kind of

getting some resolution from it. As the days go by a couple. I think we're in December now of the same year, So we're in December now. She starts having dams about my dad and seeing the beings. And remember she hadn't seen anything yet. So she starts she had this dream where she's sitting with my dad and she's in her driveway, but she's sitting beside my dad and he's like showing her orbs and stuff. And I'm telling you, Jordan, within days in real time of having that dream, and then boom,

she saw the phenomenon. She saw an orb over her car. And I'm telling you, bro, like, there's the reason I brought this up was I, first of all, I find it so impressive that on your own time, you just naturally gravitated towards this through your own intuition. That's that's very awesome. But the other thing is like to encourage you to keep

going. I have had the privilege to live behind the scenes with these institutions and and and learn from them firsthand and received this what used to be secret knowledge, And like I, it's crazy. What's what's possible when we put our brain in this theda meditative state, you know, opening us up to invisible world and seeing manifestation of the spirit world or like you said, lowering your blood pressure or raising it it will you know, we can do incredible

things through meditation. But that's anyway I mean, I wanted to share that with you. No, that's so awesome because I would explain why there's so many stories of people like say, there'll be a group of people and only some of them see an orb or UFO or something like that, and other people that were there looking at the same place or whatever didn't see anything.

I mean, if it has to do more with your mental state and your brain waves, that could explain why two people could be looking at the same thing and seeing two different things we're not seeing to their you know, it's almost like you have to be on that same level. You have to be tuned into that same frequency if to be awake it. Yeah, and which is you know interesting if you think about like our brains and everything as like a receiver, the way I think about reality is like, you know,

we're a receiver kind of like a TV. So you know there's a signal, you know, a radio, TV, computer or anything. There's these signals constantly fill in the air, propagating through the air at all times. Like we're all around us, you know, all three of us right now.

There's all these waves, radio waves and band waves and all these different waves, and we can't see them or hear them or touch them that we don't even know they're But if you have the right instrument tuned to the right station kind of a thing, tune to the right frequency, you can tap into them. So if you have a radio with the right antenna, you can pick up the radio waves. If you have a rap you know, a computer can pick up you know, the Wi Fi signal, you know

what I mean. So our brains are like the same thing when it's tuned the right way to the right signal channel and see channel. You know, then we see things, but they're always there. So when you hear people say things like they've always been here, aliens are walk among us. You know, these things are always and I use the word alien loosely, but you know what I mean. Right when people describe these paranormal things as always being here, as a part of our fabric of our world, our reality,

and people can't wrap their head around that. Well, it's the same thing like right now, there's waves energy fill in this room, and if I were able to pull up my phone, it could tap into it. I could see things on my phone. If I had a radio, I could hear things on the radio or Wi Fi. We're constantly connected to them, so the brains can you were like a receiver. We just have to tune it to the right station and we can pick these things up. And

that's what the Himmi sync did for me. I mean when I was doing these meditations just to lower my blood pressure and you get more like in a calm state, I mean, all sorts of crazy stuff happened. I mean it was like I meditate basically every single night, and I have for about three years. Now, And at first it was just for health reasons and

now it's I mean, I use it for different things. I got into patterning, like manifestation that kind of stuff, and then you know, healing and that kind of stuff, and a big part of it's also just I learned how to establish connection with my guides and get information, like you know, direct downloads, like for personal information like helping me on my path and that kind of stuff. So I use it for those kinds of things.

But you know, just inadvertently, I've had wild experiences. I mean I've I've astral traveled and had experiences with entities and stuff like that, because you know, it's a zoo out there, and if once you leave this little bubble, you're in another bubble. You know, it's kind of like running into a forest. You know, it's like like run into a jungle. It's like you're gonna run into some stuff every now and then if you run deep enough into the jungle, some of it's nice and cuddly and some of

it's not. So you know, I've run in all sorts of stuff, just like I'm sure y'all have. And I know Robert Monroe ran into all sorts of stuff and they take it seriously. So when you do the stuff properly, you protect yourself. You put up this energy bubble around yourself. You know. You you say these you know they have these mantras and intentions and everything that you say that protect you because you can protect yourself. And it's kind of like if you're if you're going out into a jungle, you're

probably gonna take a gun with you. You're probably gonna, you know, take some protection with you. It's kind of the same thing when you go out there in nastural realm. You protect yourself, you know, cause you never know what you're going to run into. But most of it's mental. You know, most of it's mental. But it's it's interesting. You never know. Once I put on those headphones and I get into hym sink,

I never know where I'm gonna end up. And it's it's kind of wild sometimes, like cause you can control it to an extent, but sometimes I sort of black out. Like there's a lot of times when I do the tapes and five minutes in I'm lucid, I'm controlling where I'm going, and then I wake up at the end. I always wake up his voice, so yeah, and he'll be like, you're now coming back to your waking

consciousness that kind of stuff. And I'll wake up and I'll be like, holy, you know, you don't remember even going out, but like you know, it's you'll you'll have some wild experiences. And and you know he always meditate with with the HEMI sync. Not always it's a little more hardcore, you know. I say that, I don't mean it in a bad way. I mean it just it's a little more intense, you know when you do because like I said, you never know. Sometimes that just black

out. And at that point, I you you actual project most of the time, like you leave. Like that's what when you go through these processes and you go through the resonant tuning and you go through all the steps, you you get to a point where you're you're you're vibrating at such a kind of quick pace that you basically turn into like a flat line of energy. And then that's when you can actually transcend and go into higher states of consciousness.

And when you do that, it's kind of like when you sleep at night. When you go to sleep, your body sleeps, but your consciousness doesn't go to sleep, your consciousness goes in place. It has a whole life outside of this world that we you know, we pick up little you know, lips when we wake up, and those you know, we call them dreams. But like, so you know, our consciousness doesn't sleep,

it doesn't get tired. Just the physical body sleeps and gets tired. So whenever you do these things sometimes, you know, the whole point of meditation is mind awake, body asleep. You're trying to put your body to sleep and keep your mind awake. But sometimes everything goes to sleep, but your

consciousness doesn't. And when you when you kind of extract it from this physical world, when you extract it from this physical body which is focused into all the time, when you take your consciousness out of there, when you kind of peel it away, and then you pass out and you kind of lose lucid control of it, it goes and sometimes you don't know where it's going

to go and where it's going to end up. So you know, that's why I rarely just tell people, oh, you should do this, because I think it's something you build up to, you know, but you know, it's kind of like take yeah, if you do DMT you don't know

where the hell you're gonna end up. It kind of has that effect sometimes where it's funny you say that because earlier we were talking about being boring in different realities, and I was thinking, like, you know, if if we are so curious about the spirit world and we want to, you know, we do things like d MT or just psychedelics in general to try to

perceive the spirit world. I feel like on the other side of the coin, you know, if you're a spirit doing d MT would be like, hey, let's let's let's live life as a human once, you know, Like, I feel like this is the d MT, Like I feel like we are in the trip. I've studied. I haven't done DMT yet. I have one too, but I've studied it. I've studied it a bunch. And what I hear from people that study it, like on the scientific world, like they study it as like a technology, and they say that

it is like a technology for us to interface. Absolutely it's wild. And they say things like whenever you meet the beings in the DMT world, that they are just as fascinated with you as you are with them, Like they see humans and they're like sometimes I'll mess with you. Like they have a trickstru mentality, but they they're interested, like they they get a kick out

of it. And I think it's because they're they're in their land, they're in their realm whatever, and they're bored, probably, and all of a sudden, this human just kicks the door open and it's here, and they're like I'm here, and they're like all right, you know, you're a cute little pet. And they're like, well, I'm gonna mess I'm gonna mess with this dude first of all, because it's busted into my room, so I'm gonna mess with him. But then I'm gonna kind of be like

what are you about, dude? Like where did you come from? Like what? You know? So it's it's weird, but you only get them. It's like a glimpse, like you don't get to beat there long, you know. So you imagine being imagine yeah, but imagine being like a d MTL or something like that, and you're existing in this astral realm and this fucking human just comes in and you're just like what And then you're like messing with them and everything, and then they just disappear because it wore off

or whatever, and then you know what I mean. So it would be like if an elf just popped up in your room. Yeah, you're like, you're doing here, Get out of here. That's kind of what happens, Yeah, kind of what happens in our world too. Things seem to just kind of pop in and pop out, you know, so it us.

Yeah, but there's been a lot of instances. You know, I've heard people talking about when they have like sleep sleep paralysis, and they'll see like the beings at the foot of the bed and that kind of stuff. And a lot of times they'll be asleep and they'll they'll be like beings of the foot of the bed. And when they wake up and the beings see that they're awake, the beings get scared. They get kind of nervous. They're like, oh shit, they saw us, and they'll like usually like

rush into a closet or something and disappear the weirdest freaking thing. And it makes you wonder. It's like it's like we're all kind of just roaming around, searching and exploring, and every once in a while, it doesn't matter what side of the you know, if you're in the physical realm or then astural realm or what dimension you're in. Every once in a while, you open a door and you walk into a place you shouldn't be, and you're like curious, but then you're like, Okay, we've got to get the

hell out of here, you know what I mean. So, yeah, it's just a bunch of spirits roaming around the universe or whatever. You know. So I just like was in shock for a second because I've had sleep paralysis probably hundreds of times, and I never put together the fact that they do always go away at some point. Yeah, but like, but but you see them go I don't mean it just stops. I mean, like a lot of times I see like it's it's a lot of times in the

forms of like a shadow on the wall or something. Do you ever feel it like weighing you down on your chest or anything like that. I felt that once I have, So that type used to happen a lot more when I was younger. That was like when it first started happening for the first probably uh maybe three or four years, it was like a lot of those and it was like I was literally stuck like way down because yeah, it was like there was this innumerable amount of weight on top of me, and

it didn't like hurt. It wasn't like pressure, but I felt like it took so much effort to move anything because there was like all this weight or whatever. But no, I just never put together the fact that, like, oh, yeah, the shadows usually do just like skirt away at the end. That's pretty crazy. I also never really considered the fact that they were conscious entities. Yeah, but I probably should have come to that conclusion by now. But hey, I mean, what episode is this one hundred

and something and I'm still one hundred and twenty or something. Yeah, I don't know. No, But like for real, Nick, Nick did have a sleep prolesses a lot as a kid. And you know, we've been from Aisa to his house all the time, oh all the time, because we lived half a mile away, and we've known each other since we were eleven and twelve. So he's been to my house more than you could imagine.

And there would be many nights where we're in my room on a Friday night or Saturday night, we're playing video games or just like watching a movie and it's getting really late and I'd be sitting up and he's asleep and I would look over and he would be like he would just do the weirdest stuff, Like I could see that he was having sleep proalyssis it happened all the

time. Sometimes it'd be like you sit up and your eyes are half open and you're like trying to reach your arms out and you wake up and you're like, dude, I was like having sleep proalysis. It was all. It's usually is like a precursor for weird stuff, like weird paranormal stuff to

happen for some reason. Like that's like, I don't know, it's it's what it seems like a lot of beings or entities use like they either put you in sleep prolysis and then do whatever they're gonna do, or they just like wait for someone to be It's like there their ticket into this world somehow. I don't know. It's weirdp Do we lose Nick? We did. He just texted me hold on, let me let me remove him and try

to get him to rejoin. But it's okay, hold on, uh oh sorry, listeners, we are having difficulty behind the curtain and Nick Nick dropped. It's okay because we're gonna wrap up soon. Anyway, we got to get him for the goodbye, and yeah, man, this is normal when people will talk about paranormal type stuff on podcasts and stuff, there's always technical glitches. This is our first time with this type of thing. It happens a lot. It's weird. Yeah, dude, we'll see if we can

get him back in. If not, it's it's no big deal. Yeah, So so Jordan, I guess uh. I think that's a good place to end it. Is there anything I don't want to Just if you feel like you've got anything that is on your mind, that's important. I always like to ask people like if this, if you had the whole world watching, if you had cameras on you, if you had one thing to say, like, what would it be? Man Like, what would be that thing that you feel like you just gotta tell people? Oh cool, no

pressure at all. I like that, just the whole world watching right now. Man. Like I you know, through all the stuff that I've been through, the biggest takeaway from everything has just been like, have fun with life. So, like I said before, like I look at life as a video game, just because I think that that is actually a pretty apt

metaphor for what we're you know, our existence. But also it makes things more fun when you when you don't think of life as like this set in stone, black and white thing like, Okay, this is the way it is. I don't have any control over anything. There's no free will, YadA YadA, like you know. I hate that way of thinking because it

just kind of it takes the fun out of things. And you want to think that you live in this world that yeah, good and bad things happen, but that you have control at the end of the day, that you can affect your reality and you can you know, you know, manipulate things, for lack of better word, you can you know, edit things. So, like one thing that I've learned through you know, all the meditation stuff that I've done over the years, is that once you come up,

when once you get this understanding, I think this is so important. Once you understand this that so, say you're playing a video game, say you're playing like Grand Theft Auto. I use that as an example. Great game. Yeah, yeah, I'm older, So that that's kind of my example of this. So when you're when you're playing the little characters running around, he's he thinks he has free will, he's running around, he's playing, he has free will, he's autonomous, and he's doing all this stuff.

But somebody created that game, and somebody's on the outside and can make edits to that game. So what I've learned is, well, we're in the game. We can't edit the game. We can just play the game. So life is a game. This is a game. We're having fun, we're playing it, we're learning, we're growing, we're doing all the things. This is awesome, But if you actually want to make edits to your game, you got to come out out side of the game. And that's

where the meditations come in. Is you can actually zoom out, come on the outside of the game, make some edits, and then go back in the game and continue playing. And that's what manifestation essentially is. That's what patterning is. And the way, the way I can sextualize patterning is your three D printing. So we live in a three D world. Our brains

are like the computer and it can three D print something. So that's what manifestation is, is you're three D printing with your intention, your focus. You're three D printing something. But just like the old side scroller games, you know, like, so say you're playing like the old Super Mario Brothers, right, and you know, so you know you only see this much, right, you see this much of the screen, but there's like a whole level, there's all these things down here, but you can't see it

because you have to wait until your box gets there. Right. So that's how manifestation works, is you manifest something and when you do it right, you three D printed it and you put it on the timeline, so it exists. You just can't see it yet because you have to wait for your box, like your character to get to that point in the game, and then you see it, you're like, hey, that's that thing that I

manifested. So that's the way I look at reality, is like we're constantly manifesting, constantly three D printing stuff, but you don't three D print it right from your face. That's not the way things work. That would cause too many ripples, and that's just not the way it works. It's placed further down the row, further down the timeline, and then you have to wait for your character to get to it, and then you have to like

that. It's a great visual and it works that way, and that's from my experience, and when when you look at life this way, as it's like this game that you're playing, but you don't just only get to play the game. Sometimes you can actually zoom out of the game, make edits, and then come back in. You can also have a communication with the people on the outside of the game, which would be your guys, your higher self, and you can work in tandem as kind of like a team.

Then it makes the game more fun because you realize, Okay, I'm in a game. I get to play, my character, get to have fun, but I also have people on the outside that they're watching over me that are helping out. And I also can have access to the tools to

be able to edit the game as well. So when you kind of think about everything that way, it opens up all these possibilities, you know, because you can relax and just play the game, and you can also edit the game, you know, So you really are the like director of the

programmer and the main character of the game. So I guess if I had to say something to the world, it would be that because whether this is the way reality actually is or if it's just a metaphor, either way, it works and it leads to, I think, a more fun and fulfilling life because you know, there's no victimhood here, there's no soul trap here, there's no you know, we're stuck in this deep dark matrix kind of a thing. It's it's yes, it's a matrix of source, and yes,

it's a virtual reality of sorts and all these things. But we're we're a big part of it. We're an interactive part of it, and we're h and we're on all sides of it. Were we're in the game, we're outside the game, we're connected to all the pieces, and you know, and we also came here under our own choosing. You know, this isn't something we're you know, tricked into or anything like that. So I think when you actually look at the world through that lens, it makes it

more fun. It opens up all these possibilities and and it just makes it more interesting in my experience. I like that. Man. It's like some some of the ancient societies are like, we're in hell. You know, this is a soul trap. Some of them are like, well, no, it's more like we're in a school. I agree with what you're saying.

It's like, that's the whole point of the Philosopher's stone, right, It's like, through the power of your mind and your will and understanding that you are a fractal piece of the of the God's bark or whatever you want to call it, the godmind, the light. It doesn't matter. The

point is this can be heaven or this can be hell. It's all dependent on your state of mind and how you vibrate, how you choose to perceive it, you know, and I completely agree with what you're saying, man, Like, just enjoy the ride, be grateful, be positive, just understand that, like in the great scheme and destiny of all souls, we all eventually make it to the light. Might take you know, a thousand lifetimes for some, might take a million for some. It doesn't matter.

We all get there in the end, the great cosmic end, you know. So like, yeah, I appreciate that. Man, thank you. Definitely got to have you back on great episode. I'm so thankful you came on. Please, I don't think we did this in the beginning. So everything that you have to plug, the the the book, the website, the TikTok to YouTube, let's run through them. Yeah, so on TikTok,

I do daily videos every day and they're awesome, thanks dude. So that's that's a good way just to kind of get a peek into my my weird mind. That's a live in kicking, and I have some clones out there. There's some spam, you know, channels that are kind of emulating me. So if it's like a live in kicking spilled a little bit wrong with an extra G or something, stay away from those. So it's just

you know, actually it's actually I'm a live in kicking. So anyways, if you go to my website, it's Digijordan dot com, d I g I Jordan dot com that actually has linked everything. That's the easiest way because I have like my book on there, my link to my podcast linked to you know, TikTok and all that kind of stuff. So DIGI Jordan, d I g I Jordan dot com and then you can see all the things

that I'm up to. I have like a weekly newsletter that I send out and all sorts of fun stuff in the book in the book Entrepreneurial Spirits and Neural Spirits as much. It's it's hard to type because I've I wrote the damn book and I still don't know how to spell entrepreneurial most of the hard word. Man, it's tough. So just if you go to Amazon and type in Jordan Crowder, I'm the only Jordan crowd on Amazon, so it'll

pop right up. Okay. And then, last, but not least, there's something that you might be around the corner, something you're working on the podcast. Yes, yes, yes, so something I've been kind of wanting to do and been you know, kind of other people have been trying to get me to do for a long time, and I'm finally doing it. So this is like this being here with you right now is a huge kind of inspiration for me and a kick in the butt in the right direction.

So yes, I do have a podcast that is maybe by the time this show is actually on the air, you know, there will already be some episodes, so I'd be looking for for that, and it will more than likely be based around the concept of the book, which is Entrepreneurial Spirits, which is kind of the business side the business side of this ritual side and also the spiritual side of the business side. You know what I mean. I like that, Yeah, I like that. Awesome. Well dude,

Okay, So We have a cheesy tradition here. We just say bye guys at the same time. I think it started probably very early on in the show, and one thing led to another and we've just never stopped doing it. Through the countdown first, right yep. Usually yeah, but when we're when we have guests, yeah, you're ready, three, two, one, Bye guy, guys. Weird things happened in the backyard of Letsoe House. If you were hit, got it's so weird coming closer to like smirreling

on the inside of it, going out. Man, it's coming. I haven't dought Sord not being happy