Weird things happened in the Weird, Weird Weird Welcome to Bledsoe said, so, we have an exciting guest tonight. Mister Jeff Harmon met my dad in I believe it was March in Pasadena, California, at Alien Con where he was doing his first book signing, and they hit it off. They became friends. Dad went on Jeff's show. Jeff, please, if you wouldn't mind sharing the name of your show, it is just Jeff Harmon, astrologer Jeff Harmer and Vedic Astrology on the YouTube channel. Yeah awesome, And Dad
really had a wonderful experience. He was really taken aback by Jeff's just kind demean and his incredible knowledge of astrology. And here we are, So Jeff, how are you doing. I'm doing all right. So it's good to be on. Yeah, it's good to have you. Yeah, your dad's a great guy. I really enjoyed him. Thank you. Yeah, I think so too. We really like astrology on the show, and I'm always excited to just learn as much as I can because in my experience it's a
very fascinating but very deep and complex. I guess you could say spiritual science so I mean, yeah, I feel like with astrology, the more I learned, the less I know exactly me too. Really, yeah, I'm not alone. It's stunning. I mean my first brush with astrology was back in the seventies. My mother was pegging my girlfriends. And you know, I grew up in northern Wisconsin. It's kind of like dukes of hazard up
there. You know, it's nothing with semis. You know, horses, snowmobiles, motorcycles and yeah, you feel like you're living in that movie White Lightning. You know, it's our deliberate it's delivery. It's kind of like deliverance. Yeah. But what was fun is she started pegging my girlfriend's to the tea as I started driving in the mid seventies, and she was just right on and I said, come on, this stuff doesn't work, you know, And she said, well, you know, you better check it
out before you knock it. And I did, and to my amazement, you know, I was really into science and you know, all that kind of stuff and hard you know, evidence of things. And the more I looked at it and went, wow, this is really not only an interesting ancient science, but it's also I think something that really shows that we're spiritual
beings having a physical experience, We're not just our astrology. And then when I started really getting into the what we call classical and traditional astrology, which really started, I think to end around the late sixteen hundreds. By the seventeen hundreds, there was a lot of religious suppression. There was a lot of you know, demonizing of astrology, particularly from that time forward, late sixteen hundreds, early seventeen hundreds forward. But prior to that, that's called
classical or traditional astrology. It's kind of been dubbed that name, and that goes all the way back to Egypt, Sheldea, the Holy Land, and most importantly the far Middle East. Of course you have Chinese astrology, but you also have the Vedic and the Nadi astrology out of ancient India, which is stunning, absolutely stunning stuff. Just blow your hair back. It's like totally different than modern astrology in terms of the way it looks at what astrology
is and what it is. Really really captured, you know, my attention, and it's been a journey, and like you guys say, the more you learn, the more you realize how divine it is and how we'll never fully figure it out using this state of consciousness. I don't think human intelligence is great enough using the five senses like we do to fully grasp the divinity and breadth and scope of what astrology truly is. It's it's clearly a matrix. I always say, forget Trinity, Neil and Marphius, this might be
the real matrix of soul. You know, yeah, absolutely, You're definitely on the right show. I mean, what episode two was the matrix like we I think at three? Yeah, yeah, we dropped those references a lot. You actually got right into something that I was going to ask about, which is like kind of the history of astrology and the ways that it's
changed or evolved over the years. And you mentioned the difference between your modern astrology and your did you call it classical or traditional astrology, and so it sounds like they look a little bit different that they look through a difference. Gope, But what exactly does that what exactly does that mean? How? How does it in what ways is it different from how we see astrology today? Well, a lot of ways today. You know, we hear a
lot about the Big three. Everyone absolutely knows their suns sign. That's the first thing out of everyone's mouth is you know, I'm a pisces, I'm an area some of this, and then of course that's known as sun sign astrology, which really kind of got popularized in the sixties. Linda Goodman is probably one of the astrologers who really pushed that whole thing, and it worked very well from a commercial standpoint, because there's a lot of books and I
think people could relate to it because it was simple. But when you go back to you know, and there's really no definitive time period. Because it's interesting. Astrology seems to show up throughout ancient history everywhere. There's proof of it, not only in texts and codexes, which only certain ones are extent, but you start looking at like Chocoal Canyon, you know, the Indians,
we're building things that lined up with the solstices and equinoxes. We see things in Egypt, we see stoneheads, we see you know, all kinds
of temples and things built to different astrological symbolisms. You know, you know the I think it's the Mayan pyramid in Mexico, right, it's from the Wonders of the World with the with the it's either the spring equinox, or the winter solstice, where on that day the precise angle of the sun it creates an illusion of a massive serpent, but it's purely cast out of shadows. That's like slithering up the pyramid. Oh yeah, it's like Indiana Jones
Temple of Doom, you know. I mean, it's all these alignments and you know it's the solstices and equinomical points, which you know, equinox is a Latin term. It just means days and nights are equal. And of course we are coming up on that right next week, the fall equinox, you know, oh wonderful. Yeah, and yeah, the fall equinox is a big deal because you know, with the fall equinox and we're right around the corner from it here like a couple of days, yeah, a couple
of days away. And those were known as extremely important points. There's a text talk about going back here. There's a text called the Sepher Rozil, which in Hebrew and Aramaic Sephyer means book and Rotziel means the archangel Rotzil.
Well, what's fascinating about that whole topic is the legend is and this gets really into some religious connotations because when you look at the religions demonize astrology, and yet the ancient history of it was when Adam fell into the physical realms, which of course we have the Guard to Eden story right, but actually was incarnated into a physical realm and body. He was so diswrought that he was trying to commit suicide. And the legend is that this angel Razil,
which is the archangel on the Tree of Life of Hokema. Hokma if anyone's familiar with the Tree of Life is a Hebrew Aramaic word that means wisdom.
And so Raziel is the archangel of that sphere if you will, or Sepherouth this what they call him on the Tree of Life, and he brought them this book called the Book of Rotziel, which is the ceph for Razzio, and it'll blow your hair back because it talks about how the equinoxes and the solstice points, all these angels would change shift miroads upon myriads of angels. And you know, science today, our modern world listens to this stuff and they go, yeah, yeah, yeah. They want to hear about atoms
and molecules and things. They could plug meters into it and measure right and mathematically calculate, and they got to be able to put a model on it and prove it for themselves. But really, this is what attracts me to the ancient systems of astrology is because they weren't just looking at signs and planets, and they certainly weren't looking at just sun signs. They were looking at what is astrology, And it's really the modulation of the heavens down into creation.
And this goes down the rabbit hole pretty deep because I believe the earth and this is exactly the premise behind ancient Vedic and nadi astrology, which is the earth is where spirit manifests. You think about that one, yeah,
So I mean this is like a soul cauldron. And the eastern horizon in everyone's birth chart is always referred to as the ascendant, you see, So that's what's ascending, and it's always as sending every day, and even if you're a flat earther, we still have the eastern horizon shifting, right,
So because you got a love for that one too. Oh yeah. The bottom line is, no matter what you believe, one thing's for sure is the Eastern horizon is always changing in relationship to the celestial mechanics of the Sun
and everything else up there, and the accuracy of this is stunning. A guy that we're going to interview pretty soon, hopefully, is Robert hand He back in the seventies was involved eight seventies involved in the development of early astrology computer programs in a number of other people, and they were consulting with NASA on what they call the ephemerisis these are the inner mechanics inside of the computer programs that plots where all the fixed stars are and where all the planets are,
and of course the rotation of the Earth. So and it's so accurate, it's amazing. I mean, the celestial influences of our solar system, they're not like kind of accurate, they're like precise to the millisecond. And this is why you take a culture like you know, we're talking about all these different you know, monoliths and complex astrological sites that were created by the
ancients. They literally could line up these rock formations and cause shadows or beams of light to reflect because it's that precise and what many of the ancients knew too, and they were really smart. And I believe this is where extraterrestrials come in. I really believe we have this might be a lot more like Men in Black here. Then we know, because clearly it's coming out. You know, the news is full of all kinds of information that's coming out.
I think Jesse Water has just had something out where that's the doctors were proving that some of the extraterrestrial mummies that they had brought forward were absolutely real, They're not fake, and that they were truly from you know, life worms, that this isn't some you know, paper mache somebody put together,
that it was really you know, a living being and human. So and I know myself, and I know you guys know about this stuff, but I growing up in northern Wisconsin and even out here in the West where I'm at, I have seen so much paranormal combined with estratrust all in my opinion, stuff that's it's unbelievable. I believe that the two craft the other night just recently. Really, yeah, I was out in Malibu and interesting.
I don't know if you guys know about this, you probably do, but in Malibu in between Point Magoo, which is right south of Oxnard, and of course there's a military Base just north of there and right where Zuoma Beach. It's actually Point Doom is what they call it. Extphet A bay Watch and all kinds of movies have been filmed in this very famous beach called Zuma Beach, and also the Point too, and about I think it's somewhere between
four and six miles out, don't quote me exactly. There's this huge underwater structure that has all these pillars and you can see it from satellite, and there's craft coming in and out of there like crazy, and the word is it's been doing that for a long long time. I've spoken the guys in the military, and you know, they won't say too much, but they
they say, we're tracking this stuff. And the propagation speeds are so fast it's almost immeasurable that they can come out of that water and go outside of
our atmosphere. So this is very high tech stuff. And I actually taught a class back in the eighties at a college and one of the students was sitting in the audience and we were talking about I don't know how we got on the subject, but he said, oh, yeah, my dad's an admiral, and he says, they say we take submarines underneath the California coast almost all the way to Salt Lake City. So how about that. Nothing to worry about, folks, just their logo. The military involved quite possibly
stuff that we haven't known about. Yeah, but I think the government has been reverse engineering stuff for a long time. I mean, of course we know about Roswell and Lieutenant Philip Corso and all that whole story. Of course that was swamp gass from being as folks look over here. But in all seriousness, clearly there's overwhelming evidence on this planet that they were really aware of
the celestial influences. And I believe angels and extraterrestrials has been a huge factor, you know, bringing this back to astrology in how the ancients knew as much as they knew about astrology, the Egyptian astrology, the Hellenistic astrology, and a lot of scholars, you know, they all theorize about, well, it came out of you know, Greece, or it came out of Egypt, or it came out of Sheldea or Babylonia. No one knows. I don't know, but I'm here to say I'm Greek. So it came
from Greece. I'm when you said hellenistic, I was like, yes, yeah, well it's certainly. What we find is maybe these cultures were sophisticated enough to have the ability because you got to remember, prior to the fifteen hundreds, we didn't have printing presses, you know, to write something down. You were talking pappers. Oh yeah, and most people not only did they not know their birth times, they said that most people didn't know how to write, so you had to have And I never thought about that.
You have to have your precise birth time, So that's crazy. I never thought about it, because how do they you know, they don't keep record of that stuff back then? Well they did. Actually they had astrolabes. They had different types of clocks. There was all kinds of ways of time keeping pieces, and one of them was an astrolabe. They're really cool devices. I think I got one. Oh you got what? Yeah, check this out. This is pretty cool. This is an actual, authentic astrolabe.
And you see, if I can get it out of here, we're getting that actual treat today. Y'all got to come over to YouTube and check out the videos so you can see this. This is an astrolabe. See so it looks like, yeah, and what this is really a complex device. You would rotate this in order to adjust the time of day, and then notice on the back it's got all kinds of you know, measurement tools, et cetera. But what this allowed you to do was plot where the
celestial planets were. This very sophisticated device. This was purported to have been used by Christopher Columbus and many navigators because also is a navigation tool. You know, they use six stars, so really cool stuff. That's a good point. Yeah, usually think about that a whole lot. But out there on the ocean, they're tracking the stars. It's not just something that just comes to mind, you know, right, because we don't have to you know, in model, don't have to do don't Yeah, we don't have
to do that, so we don't think about the GPS. Yeah, this was just like look up in the sky, Okay, there's that star that means we got to go this way. Like that's yeah, that's a fascination. I thought. You know, well they were elegant navigators. Yeah, you don't have a choice exactly, right, Yeah, exactly. It's interesting. The truth is is we just don't have the same. We don't have to do that. Like, it's not that we're less smart than we used
to be. It's that, you know, we have a GPS. Oh yeah, and that's only been cool for maybe the last fifteen twenty years in the public, at least in the public. You know, even twenty years ago, GPS wasn't that prevalent. It was there, for sure, the militaries had a long time. But yeah, and I mean the iPhone and droid's those really, I don't think it's been much more than maybe what twelve to twelve years, not long. I was in high school thirteen years ago
and nobody really had iPhones much only only like the rich kids. So that's it. Yeah, Yeah, Well, can I get an astrolabe app on my phone or it? Maybe? I don't know. That's a good question. Really cool, honestly. Well, last thing I'll say about the astrolabe because I've played a lot of like fantasy type video games. Obviously Nick has
two, and I've seen an astrolabe in them. Yeah, I think, look at that, it almost looks like, you know, something out of Gotham City or something, you know, right, yeah, Elder scrolls or something. It's incredible Yeah, they're pretty cool. And there's different size ones too, and then you could put different plates in for different latitudes. Is you change latitude north, southeast and west and of course longitude you would you
would put different plates in. So really interesting stuff. And it also tells you how advanced they were in terms of knowing about coordinances and positions. You know, when you really think about all that was a lot. I'm actually
amazed. I think the coffee or the food, or the air or something was better back a long time ago because these people did not have computers, they didn't have slide rules, and some of the mathematical computations they were doing on the angularity of the Earth as well as the way the planets would ascend to descend, it was really sophisticated. I do not believe that they figured this stuff out completely on their own. Yeah right, that's way too complex,
especially the Vedic astrology. Some of this stuff is beyond what anyone would come up with, in my opinion, at least on their own. They just wouldn't be And I really believe we've got time travelers, we've got angelic forces, and we got britten proof of it. The Sepher Raziel maybe one of the older texts extent and God only knows how old it is. I mean, Psalm ninety one in the Bible they claim could be four thousand plus years old, and nobody knows. One hundred set I don't know. And
you think about that, that's pretty old. And that really piqued my interest. When you brought up the what was it, the Ratzel, I haven't heard of that one. I've read the Sefer yets Era, which is like Yetsira, right, yeah, well yeah, the Book of Formation, right right right, I've read that one. I've read a couple others that I can't remember my name. We just talked about one of the Sephirs on a
Metatron episode that that should be out by now. But I'm very excited to dive into the Sepher Razzelo actually admittedly, because is this a kabalistic text, the Sez it's referred to as that, but I think it's much older than that. You know, I don't want to demean the word Kabbala, you know, but today you have to say Kabbalah, right, because the Kabbala centers. I actually knew rav Berg. He was quite an amazing man. He just passed away a while back, and his sons you who to run
the Kabbala centers in New York of course here in other places. So it's good stuff. But the Kabbala is kind of a pop term in my opinion. It's just ancient sacred knowledge. Well it's like horoscope is there's a pop version of it, but you know, the core of it is is a lot more ancient, a lot more I'm cut at. The older we or the older I get, and the more we study this kind of esoteric material from all cultures, I'm starting to realize that there's wisdom and all of them,
you know. So like admittedly, actually pretty soon we're going to do a Kabbala episode, but anyway, that's off topic. I just you really got my interest with the sepharatzay. Oh. I can't wait to read it. Yeah, it's an amazing Well, there's different versions of it. There's several translations and I have not all of them, but quite a few of
them, and the older ones. That's very interesting because it talks about the spiritual cleansing of the soul and this knowledge of how the angels actually are very much interested in humanities, you could say purity or you could say reverence. It's to creation. It's very interesting stuff because I talked about this on a podcast not too long ago. There's actually a text called the the Book of Abermelon that mentions this how the Guardian Angel will actually appear. There's and talk
about the equinoxes, from the spring equinox to the fall equinox. There's six lunations also known as new moons, and then the sixth lunation, if the soul is truly purified, the angel will appear and teach one really amazing secrets about how to control the evil spirits. Also how to this whole mechanics of this place works. You know, and this is an interesting point here because you know, this goes back to you know, when my mother got me
into this stuff in the seventies. I was really into electronics and music and science and all this stuff. And back then it was booming. It was a new it was just taken off. I'm sure it was huge back then, yeah it was. But what caught my eye was when I came along and you know, I'm like, well, wait a minute, this stuff. It's a bunch of woo oooh stuff. You know, son sions and nostrology, and all of a sudden'm like, come on, this stuff can't
be real. And when I started looking at the way and the sophistication of it's really just celestial geometry. And see that's the difference between modern astrology. We're kind of touching on that before. Modern astrologers clearly use some good tools. But if you go back and you look at the traditional stuff, there's what we call the Egyptian and shell Dian essential dignities. They have all these
exceedingly complex divisions of the signs of the zodiac. And see this gets into Exodus in the Bible, where you know there's seventy two angels called the sheem Hemaforshe. That is, of course, everybody in a cabala now is into this. But this is very, very ancient, and they say it rules the firmament. And this gets touched upon and the psalms the wings of the wind, you see, and we hear these references he flew in on the
wings of the wind. And these are all angelic forces that nobody believes exist anymore, but boy do they ever. And well, yeah, powerful powers of stuff. And there's actually in the ancient astrology you can come up with the name of your guardian angel from your birth chart. And I covered this
on gems for people. You know, you take the Eastern horizon and see this is really interesting about the Eastern The Egyptians made a big deal out of sunrise, noon, sunset, midnight, and you'll find many of your secret societies. They always hail those points and the equinoxies and the soccle points, so very very interesting stuff. And what's interesting is in nadi astrology and in Vedic astrology they call the Eastern horizon lagna. That's a strange word in Sanskrit
that means the Eastern horizon. And it's believed the guardian angel attaches your spirit, psyche and soul to the embryo at conception, not of birth, by silver cord. And then when you exit the womb, all children usually that I'll cry, not always, but usually, and they say that's when that angel permanently ties the spirit, psyche and soul to the body at first breath
and breath is synonymous with spirit. And any doctor will tell you, you know, you stop breathing, try holding your breath for half an hour. It's like, what's what's the term in Hinduism. Is it atman or or prana the breath of life? Yeah, the product energy atman I think is the is your soul right right atmakarica right, that's right right, And see they look that's what's cool. You start getting in the nadi astrology that blew
my hair back, I mean, naughty astrology. I know the Western scholars kind of scoff at this, but there is evidence it is probably dating back to at least thirty seven hundred to four thousand BC BC. WHOA when you say nadi astrology, what what country of origin was this? Let's same in India. See it's different from Vedic though it's a branch of it. Okay, there's many branches of Vedic. Vedic astrology is kind of a pop term
too. You know. Actually a friend of mine had just passed away, Chakra Ponni might have been the guy who coined that phrase back in the sixties. He said, Americans are never going to know what joe tisha means, so he said, we'll call it Vedic astrology. Originally it was called joe tisha. That's a strange word that means the science of the light of the soul and Yeah, it really is. And you know, now you're not just dealing with astrology, You're dealing with a whole you could say, array
of why are we here? This parallels very close to the Western religious journey of we were all spirits and souls and then we incarnated into this physical realm. And I think there's a lot of them besides just earth, and that's the equations the religions won't even touch. And our fine bearded men in Rome, the ones murdering each other for the first three hundred Cyber Christians might get
to believe. Basically threw a lot of these documents in the bottom of the vaticum, and they omitted so many texts like the Keys or not there, but the Books of Enoch and so so many others, and also a lot of Hebraic texts were not put in there. So you had this division between Judaism and Christianity that probably never should have happened, because there's so much wealth of spiritual knowledge there that it's it's really We just covered Third Enoch pretty extensively
on that same episode. I was telling you about, Oh I remember the text. Now we covered Third Enoch, which was like one of the Marko a mystic texts, I suppose, and we covered the shir Kuma, which was the I don't remember what it translates to, but it was this crazy mystical text. Are you familiar with it? Yeah? Cool, super cool, super you betman. And and then you get see now that's all interwoven with the Zohar and the Shoe. I've read that one too. I've read
the Zohar, yep. And yeah, and then you there's there's Anna fesh Hassim, there's a shari had Gilgum, there's see the A lot of this stuff came from Rabbi Haiam Vattel, who was the student of the Ari who's rabbi. They called him the Ari Cell. He was believed to be a rabbi who was born blind, and and there's many others, Rabbi alb Lafia. All you just keep going farther farther back, and the knowledge just never
stops. And again this all comes down to, you know, we're in the West here being documentsies are here, it is you know here, it is only you know, the only you know answer. And a lot of this knowledge was verbally transmitted. It wasn't written down for Aon's before it was written down. Here's another one that's kind of interesting. They say that writing started showing up somewhere around thirty seven hundred BC to four thousand BC. They're
not sure some and that's best estimates. There's so many documents in the Madras Library in India. Nobody knows how to translate them. They can't figure it out because they don't know where they came from, you know. And we make a big deal out of the Voyeur document. I just got it in
the room the other day. Another copy, No, the Vulnik, the Vulnik, And I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right, but you know, that's an untranslatable document that everyone thinks is real, and it's got all this alchemy and stuff in it, and it's very coded language, and you get into all this old stuff. Much of it was encrypted in various different encryptions and ciphers. And see this is where you start getting into go Matria,
no Tricon and Ocpeaker and all these secret angelic languages. Really wild stuff. And again it seems to have been transmitted by angels and quite possibly other beings from other realms. You mentioned something a little earlier that I wanted to follow up on. Was it you said it's Vedic astrology is what it's called, right? Was that branch? Was that the branch that you mentioned You could calculate the name of your guardian angel. You can do it from any
one of them if you have that. How do you do that? That's so interesting to me. Well, it's different for every language. I don't know how to do it, and I haven't seen anything definitive how to do it, because I think it's been lost and any other language other than Aramaic and Hebrew that I can do it in. And what you do is you calculate from the exact degree ascending on the eastern horizon, and if you go
into counterclockwise fashion. So I do this all the time on gems for people, and you will find wherever your inner seven planets drops in that degree. You take that letter. See there's only twenty two letters in Aramaic and Hebrews, so you have to keep repeating them. So it's like a constant, repetitive repetition around the three hundred and sixty degrees of a circle, which is
the zonia. And then what you do is you take that letter of that planet, and you put them in what we call an essential and accidental dignity hierarchy. So another of which which letter goes first and last, is dependent on its strength and dignity within the structure of the Egyptian dignities or Chelda indignities.
And once you have that, you add a lift lamad to it, which means l. See if you look at archangel Raphael, Gabriel Oriel, you know Michael all In in a liflamed, which is the suthex of l and you add that to it. So there ends ends up being nine letters to these guardian angels. The inner seven planets plus the two and nine also is a very sacred number because it equals spiritual completion on the physical plane. And then if you go the other way, you'll get your tempter. It's
like animal House. Go ahead and do it. No, don't do it. Yeah, that's I love that movie Buff two. That's perfect for us. Fit right in here. Yeah. We always quote in movies. We do whole episodes on movies. So I have to ask. I mean, it doesn't have to be now on the spot, but just just a period or in general, you know, could could you uh, could you help me find my guardian angel. It takes me about forty five minut and it's quite a process. I don't want to trouble you. Yeah, well,
yeah, we can't do it now. But I calculate that for people. And then not only do I calculate it, then I arrange it on a CAD program so I can engrave it with lasers on your gemstones on the plates I'm at. I can go to my website Jeffarma dot con. It shows out. And what's more cool is I give you a sheet that explains what astrologies, hierarchical, you know, orders are in a general sense. And what's interesting is there's numerology called gomatria and no tracon that actually corresponds to the
Old Testament and the Psalms. And of course many people in Hebrew will know the Old Testament is to call the Torah, and the storms is called Tahilim. So and what's interesting is you'll find these numerological numbers of your the quantitative total of your guardian angel ends up being the gamatria, and there's all kinds of references in the Bible to it. So now you come back to, okay, what the hell is astrology. That's a reality machine, you see,
I know less after this conversation, right, real machine. See if you look at there's a wonderful diagram that I have on my website or not on my website, but I'm a YouTube channel. Just go to Jeff Harmon veda astrologer astrology or astrologer. You'll get it either way. And there's a diagram I love to use. I could put it on the screen if I had screen sharing. You should. Let's see if you figure out. Yeah, hang on, this is a really cool diagram. Let me see if
I got the So here's our hard start. Okay, you guys can see. Okay, we're hard started. I like that. There we go. Let's let's now. Now we'll do the hard start back here. He already did it. Okay, we're at We took a quick break just so that we could refigure this and get a slide show up. So everybody tune into YouTube. He's going to blow our minds here with these crazy images. Yeah. So what you see on the screen here is kind of a simplified overview
of potentially creation. I'm not here to tell anybody this is the way it is, but this is the why I believe it is. And this is actually quite ancient. Whatever your faith in is God, man in the sky, woman in the sky, whatever you want, creation, etc. It's above all creation. And you can see right here it's a little hard to see what my cursor I'm circling way up at the top. Notice the first world that's called absolute. That's a strange word in Aramaic and Hebrew. That
means where the divine emanation of souls is believed to be created. There's no astrology up here, there's no pisces and areas, and you know, tyris is here as much as they'd like them to be. It seems like it's way above that. And notice the first hierarchy are the arch angels of the Seraphims, the Cherubims, and the thrones. These are very powerful and divine
angels. They actually say if those three were not chanting the permutations of God's name, the entire universes would cease to exist, and maybe all creation would cease to exist. So they're very elemental and creation. They say, there's forty nine dimensions and forty nine subdimensions in this upper world of absolute. The next world's down Briah is where the waters of creation begin to get much more
dense. And they say, there's many, many vast worlds here in the spiritual realms, and of course you can see the dominant virtues and powers I believe to rule this area. And again there's no astrology up here. This is not like the heavens, at least from my understanding as we would know it. It's way down here. And this is, of course the text you were mentioning earlier, the suffering yet Zierra right yet er or yet Zira or another way. They say, it is the yet seratic worlds are,
where the rotating galaxies are. This is where we start to see the amino gas clouds and you know, all the stuff, the black holes and the vast, exceedingly complex matrixes of creation. This is where what yet zerra means, it means formation. This is where the molecules and the atoms and all the organization of creation is believed to be. And they claim this is a mind blower. There might be forty nine parallel universes and forty nine sub dimensions
with each in each one. Now, I don't know about you, guys, but that's way past my little pee brand. Well, let's acknowledge for a second that you know, we keep seeing the symbolism of forty nine. That's seven times seven. Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right, my friend, you got it. And there's seven holes in your head. There's seven days of the week, seven holes of heaven. Seven times seven is forty nine. Oh yeah, very grays of light, seven notes on a
scale. It just got yeah, absolutely on back, Jeff, My hair is yes, yeah, this is cool stuff. Then the last world is a sayah is a strange word that means the astral planes, and this is also noticed next to it, there's the word action. See action and astral planes might be synonymous. This is of course, where the you could say, spiritual comixture of spirit, soul and the more denser realms of elementals all
joined. And of course we can see over here the fourth hierarchy. Now usually you get a guy with a suit tyan a microphone telling you about the devil. But it's just a little bit more than that. It's you know, God bless them or something like that, but it's you know, Lucifer, Saytan and Belile and Leviathan are believed to be the four major cast down angels. And now this gets into the touching upon not only the Bible but also the books of Enoch. There was a war in heaven and these guys
were cast down. Of course we hear about the Onanaki and the Nephileam and all this other stuff, But they say these four were the top ones that were cast down, and then there's eight beneath that, and there's legions upon legions upon legions beneath that, and a lot of people have speculated about these My opinion is that they are literally incarcerated at the molecular level of creation down in the lower Yetseratic and asiatic worlds themselves. This literally they are forced to
be a part of molecular creation. Now a physicist is going to take a microscope and say, well, I'm always in there somewhere, but they're not going to find it, because we're looking at the result of creation. You see, because I believe everything is energy. If you think about any quantum physicists, and of course all these people out there now are all their neutrinos and their up and down forces on the molecules and the atoms and the neutrinos
and the protons and electrons. There's all these sub forces that they're finding, but it's still energy, and it's exceedingly complex organized energy. And the only difference between the hair on our heads and the dust on these computer screens we're staring at and the air we're breathing is the molecular combinations of molecules and atoms and the exceedingly complex amalgam thereof. And they say these angels are the ones creating this reality. I always say the Earth is a reality machine. It's
where spirit. I call it the so cauldron. It's where spirit manifests. So what's interesting and where I'm going with this is where does this place astrology? Well, yet, Sira is the heavens. It is what astrologers would call astrologe. But if you look up here, this whole area up in this area is where souls and all the karmic influences might possibly be. And the heavens are the co mixtures and infinitely complex arrangements of where souls get planted
into these meat suits called bodies. So you know, when you think about this, this is heavy duty stuff because we have you know, AI is the big talk right now, everything's AI, right, AI this AI that you know, it's going to know everything well. And of course we hear about cloning, and we hear about all this exceedingly complex stuff. I think God might have done it better. We're never going to catch up no matter what we do. AI is going to be a machine and it will never
be like you are in sould with a psyche, spirit and soul. Which brings me to another diagram that is really really quite interesting real quick before we move on to a different diagram, if you don't mind, I'm a simple minded guy, So if you don't mind, I have a I have a quick question. So we see Earth at the bottom of this chart here, and obviously it wouldn't be considered like a fifth hierarchy, But what would Earth
like? And I know by this chart Earth means like, you know, the people, the living beings on it, not not the celestial body Earth because that would be yet Zierra. By definition, I'm assuming the celestial body. But here at the bottom of the chart Earth, would that be like the fifth hierarchy for lack of a better term, like like humanity. Yeah, I think it's where spirit manifests. We could call it. You know,
However, we want to call it. You know. That's why diagrams like this are I think helpful, because you know, us humans, we only think on the five cents three dimensional level. I know we can theorize in mathematics and physics, and quantum physics has given us a lot of great tools to do that with. But really the relatability that see I wanted to
show you another diagram which kind of relates to that. I'm sure. Yeah, sure, we'll come back to this because I just have to say, Jeff, are you while you're pulling up the diagram, are you much into uh Rosicrucianism at all? Oh? Yeah, Max Hindal Hughes cool, Yeah, yeah, all these people yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I'm into anything that leads to truth. I really am. Yeah,
same. I really get the impression that you are me and Nick in just I mean, I don't know our age difference, but twenty thirty years, I feel like you are who we will be and that is a that's a compliment. Yeah, thank you. Physical age it really has nothing to do about it because I see eighty year olds who have less consciousness than I see five year olds have, and you know, you have so much wisdom gained over all these decades on us, you know. So that's all I'm
saying. Yeah, yeah, you're putting in some work. Yeah, you're our north star. To stick with the astrology theme, you're our north star. We're gonna if we continue down this path of pursuit of knowledge, we can strive to one day be as as profound and awesome as you are. This is well, I'll remind you what we all said earlier. The more I get to know, the less I know, the more right, you know. I mean what, I'm blessed that I've even been able to do
this stuff for I mean, I'm going on fifty years. In twenty twenty five, it will be fifty years since I really started, you know, playing with this stuff. And yeah, it's been forty eight years so as of this year. So anyways, the Yeah, this is a great diagram. And what I love about this diagram See this big thick dash line that I'm kind of surrounding here is what modern psychology might refer to as the conscious mind. Below here, because I'm just using a box here to demonstrate and
above this this could be likened to the so called subconscious mind. But what's interesting about that is a much better metaphor might be this down here, below this thick desh line is the present personality. It's what we think in what we believe right now. Psychology will tell you that. In psychiatry will do that. Everything Just like Pink Floyd said in their final song, everything we touch and everything we learn is in tune under the sun and the moon right
and our reality we are dumb down. See this big thick dash line. They actually say that. And this is an interesting thing. I'm a little bit impaired here because I normally work on a different computer we had to join with this one. But let me show you something. There's a mark that is believed to be right beneath our nose, and it's cold. If I can find a dog, one thing, where is it here? Let me see here. It's right underneath the nose, right there. It's called Cupid's
bow. And they basically say that that's the mark to make us forget. They say when that may form in the womb, it may not, but I can tell you we are knocked out when we draw first breath. And many people are psychic, many people are intuitive. They can see other beings, disincarnate souls, spirits and elementals. But for the most part, we don't. And the reason I believe we don't, and it might be a
divine reason. They actually say in many extra texts, if we were not dumb down, we probably wouldn't function in this reality if we saw all the angels and the spirits and see like your dad is seeing all these stuff. He is very interesting because I'm about ready to interview a guy named Myron.
He's he's pretty well known Conan. He's a lot of people have said, just like Skinwalker Ranch and stuff, there's portals and certain individuals, consciousness starts to attract or connect in a psychic way these entities and beings, and so we are blocked. In fact, you could see right here. If anyone's been around the quote unquote Cabbala, they'll have heard of the seph called Doth.
Doth is the hidden and it's also very connected to speech too. It's it's very interesting, how you know, the ability to communicate verbally is quite interesting, and this is the portal between what modern psychology would call our conscious and so called subcommnd. But notice right up here, the planet Saturn operates just up above what psychology will call our conscious mind will notice the symbolism of astrology, and this is cool. I would love to point this out.
Yeah, if you look at all the glyphs of the planets come from the circle which is the Sun, the moon which is the crucible, and the cross which is spirit manifest. See that sunrise, noon, sunset, midnight. And it also rules the archangels, and which is Earth their fire and water. Isn't that interesting? Well, all of the planetary glyphs come from the circle, which is this seed. See the stars in the heavens may actually be portals. A scientists are saying, well, you know, they
might not be fission. Maybe they're fusion. Maybe they're electric, maybe they're plasma. Nobody knows. I don't know. I can tell you one thing that I do know is my opinion is they are portals from the extremely bright forces of creation shining down into the darker depths of material realms. And that's why they're so bright. And of course the scientists are running around saying, well, that's all the spectra on different light, you know, gamma rays,
magnetics. Yeah, they're right, but tell you what, I think there's a lot more coming through there, and then we even know how to even relate to and let alone measure. We don't even know what's coming through there. And I think when you get into the realms of souls, spirits and etheric energy is a great word. Etheric energy is one word of the fabric of the soul. And this is the tenets behind Vedic astrology. Let me show you something here that's really cool. There's another diagram. I love
the really quickly. Just sure you're saying some stuff. That's that's it's it's not just blowing my hair back. It's it's just downright shaving me bald. The beings indicated to my dad that this that there, they they come from sun like a portal. There you go, you bet there, that's the one I'm looking for. See now this many people are recognized this. This is the plate out of the body Gita. And what you see here is this white etheric energy. Now that's the stuff science cannot plug a meter into.
They're never going to be able to put it on a scale and measure it. They can't quantify. It's not molecules, it is not atoms. This is very sacred fabric of creation called spirit and soul. What is even thought? I mean, no one can measure thought, right, You think about that. You know, a computer can be programmed, or AI can be programmed to pick up a glass of water, but they do it because they're programmed. You do it because you're thirsty. You do because you want
to see free will. And all this magic of spirit, psyche and soul animates these physical bodies, and there's proof that it animates after death. This is what we call ghosts or disincarnate souls and spirits, and these all are believed we will end up in the what they call yet zeratic or asiatic worlds. They say we keep reincarnating here on the soul cauldron of Earth and Tew.
We purify and rectify the soul of the lower shells called clip offs, which are intertwined with the evil spirits in the molecular worlds, and then we move on to other realms, and we may come back to other realms like Earth. I think there's a lot of places out there. This is deep stuff. We can talk about this all day. I'm loving it. Yeah, that's why I asked. I feel like rescrucionism because one of the things that they believe is you are. Like you say, it's a little bit
differently the way they explain it or or the way I understood it. But it's like you're you're, you're, you're passing through the realms. You know. It's it's like levels. It's like, that's the cross according to Rosicrucianism, is like the vertical line is like the y axis, it's spirit. The horizontal line like the x axis, it's matter. And we are in the crossing place where spirit and matter are merged, or exactly like my friend
we are. Leon nirol da Vinci had a great diagram showing the pentrogramation of spirit over matter, and it's clearly what it was. I don't know if I have that in here. He was probably a Rosicrucian, or at very least involved in some sort of Grail tradition. Yeah, could be that. I don't know, But I can tell you the Three Books of Occult Philosophy, which was given by Henry Cornelius Agrippa. You know you guys, ever hear a manly p hall, Yes, I have a book here, The
Secret Teaching of All Ages exactly. Yeah, he's a cool guy. I knew him. He died in the you knew him. Yeah, he started PRS, which is Philosophical Research Centers right over on Western Avenue over by Griffith Park where the Griffith Observatory is, you know, Rebel without a Cause. Yeah, and yeah I went in there in the eighties. He was pretty old then. He was a thirty second degree. No, he's a thirty three degree honorary honor. It was never initiated Nick by the way into Freemasonry.
He was so knowledgeable that he was given an honorary initiative of the thirty third degree and then he mysteriously died. It's yeah, that was mysterious too. They think the Masons muld have got him or something. I don't know. Yeah, well there's a lot to that. That was somebody trying to steal the estate too. That was a chauffeur. But yeah, that was
a lot of short Yeah, but Manly P. Hall. The reason I brought him up is in the early nineteen hundreds, I think it was a I don't quote me, but I think it was around nineteen twenty one. He gave a talk at a church in downtown Los Angeles and somebody in the audience got very enamored with him and said he's our guy. And you find this throughout history where the secret societies will have this entire corpus of knowledge that
they want to get out to the public or save. This happened again with John Tritamus back in the fourteen hundreds, with Henry Cornelis Agrippa, who wrote the Four Books of a Cult Philosophy. Because most people know the three and other texts about three. This also happened. Yeah, yeah, and they want to save it, they want to say it. So Manly P. Hall was bequeathed a lot of information and a lot of that came from the
Rosicrucians. Wow, as a Rosicrucian society was very centered right down. I can't remember if it was, and it was down in Orange County and I'm trying to think it was it. It might have been. Oh, it's escaping me, but it's down by data point that that's where it is, and I'll think of it. I have to show you this really quick,
Jeff. You see, I have the Secret Teaching of all Agies by Manly P. Hall several years ago before I was even seriously into the occult, and I thought I was just going to read it in order like a regular book. I just saw my bookmark. I made it thirty four pages in yeah yeah, yeah, it's like it's like a thousand pages of like very deep esoteric kilosfy. Yeah, this is the one Manly sold to me for forty bucks. This is his jubilee version. And is it the secret teaching?
Yeah, actually I got I might have got this one later. Yeah, it's that's the secret teaching. That's the original. I mean to go big. This thing is huge. Wow. Yeah, all the plates, all the Egyptian stuff and the cabalistic stuff. Yeah, it's it's a really books. You look at that. It really Yeah. This is one of the most interesting occult books ever read. It covers like every fugue. Oh my gosh. They gave him an honorary thirty third degree. Yeah cool,
he's that's unbelievable. Yeah. He was a big dude, man, I remember him. He's like a walking wall. He was pretty at the time, but yeah, he was a big, big guy, giants blood. He covers almost every esoteric philosophy. You can imagine that alone, the fact that he was given an honorary thirty third degree, that alone makes me want to read that book. Yeah, that's cool. Well, I think he was bequeathed that information, not in any way to mean him. Yeah,
by have the Secret Society. It's interesting. One of the astrologers for Ronald Reagan during not only Ronald Reagan's presidency but also during his governorship of California in the sixties was a man named Carol Writer. And Carol Writer was a very famous astrologer to many Hollywood people, and and of course so was Manley Peel and Robert Mitcham. I don't know if you guys we were talking before the show about Cape Fear, the original Cape Fear movie with Greg Repack and Robert
Mitcham. Robert Mitcham used to be the chauffeur for Carol Ryder, who was later Ronald Reagan's astrologer. That's really weird. Yeah, that's wild. A lot of people may not know who Robert Mitcham is. You should check him out. He's a great actor. But yeah, oh, I think I pulled up my book right before you were going to show us the Da Vinci.
Did we get to the the Pentagon? I don't see. I'm on a different computer, so I don't have that diagram here, but I can tell you I might have it. Oh yeah, here it is here. Here, here's another, here's another one right there. Yeah, I get it up there. See this is a power point that I was working on. But again, this is da Vinci's diagram where spirit is over a matter
and yeah it's cool. And and again this gets into medical astrology. See a lot of people think, you know, astrology is just predicting the future. There's so many types of astrology. There's location astrology, there is medical astrology. There is interrogation astrology. The interrogation astrology is really cool. That's literally asking questions about anything. It's it's literally a method to ask questions. And really, yeah, you can even get when you're not going to get
the answer. Yeah it's pretty cool. Yeah that's pretty well stuff. But yeah, I would say, yeah, the the uh. But keeping on point here, the the the coolest thing I wanted to pull up here was that all of the glyphs of the planets are combinations of the circle, which is the seed of creation or divinity coming down into the realms of creation. The moon is the crucible, and the cross is spiritual manifestation. Look at Saturn is karmel Why, because it's the cross over the crest of the moon,
previously concretized energies that are now coming back to dissipate out. Jupiter is exactly the opposite. It is the crescent of the moon over the cross. That's why they call it the life force energy. Mars was the cross over the circle. And look at Venus, the sun over the cross, and Mercury's all three. It's the crescent of the moon over the Sun over the cross. So what you end up with here is a system of creation,
not just you know, your sun shih. And if you look at this particular diagram, which is even more interesting if I can find it, what do you mean by the crucible the moon being the cruise? What does that mean? Well, it's like the womb, It's like the soil of the earth. It's where it's the crucible. It's the alchemical nurture of creation. Okay, I got you. Yeah, it's it's one way of looking at it. It's like the masculine and the feminine and then the crosses like the
creation. It's where it's the trinity. It is right. See, I've never ever, yeah, I've never had the this because this is the tree of life. Correct. Well, yeah, I guess what we're looking at are alchemy chemical symbols. So I've never said I've never had the alchemical symbols. Uh. The placement of the planets and the kabbala all like cross examined right in front of me. Either to say this is like or my hair back would be an understatement. I think it's how it is. Look at,
even the modern planet are common. I will thank you for that, but don't don't thank me. Trust me. I'm just a messenger. I'm just a maleman. I'm just I'm just pointing out what creation is. You could see here, look at the Yearness is the two crescents of the moon bent outwards with the cross in the middle over the sun. Look at Neptune is the crescent of the moon bent upwards over the cross. And Pluto is the sun over the crescent over the cross. Wow. See, so somebody
was doing something besides Pisces loves aries. You see, this is way deeper and again, the nadi astrology really gets into the entire you could say message that we are spirit manifest. It's not just a bunch of signs and planets it is a matrix that modulates the creative forces into the physical realms, which is Earth, and that's or this is one place. And I believe there are many, many beings from different planets, different realms, different dimensions,
and we're beginning to find that out. I mean wonderful programs like you know, the Skinwalker Ranch, where you've got hard science saying there's stuff going on here. We you know, we can't put our fingers on, you know. And I was actually commissioned back I think it was around twenty ten or twenty twelve a gentleman, really good friend of mine. His name was George Parks. He's gone now, he passed away here a few years back.
But George was the director of the original Moufon over in Tucson, Arizona, and he and Roger Scher asked me, said, Jeff, could you do a study on a lot of UFO phenomena. And of course you know that goes weight on the rabbit hole. I'm sure you guys have heard of Travis Walton in the Malstrom Air Force Base. There was also the All Gash Fishing abductions. There was the Shag Harbor crash. There was Betty and Barney Hill. Everybody's heard of them. And then there was the Minote Air Force Base.
And we also had the Shipley or Snippy the Horse that was another one. Travis Walton was really famous. And what George and Roger had me too is they wanted me to look and see was there any celestial of course, we would call astrology alignments that would correlate with some of these events. And
I've actually done this remote viewers a lot too. I've actually had a couple of different remote viewing groups, both in the States and in other places, have me examine why do they hit their targets at certain times and why they don't. And we found that celestial alignments, the rotation of the Earth, the Moon, especially the nodes of the Moon which is where clips points happen, and various different fixed ours have a huge effect on whether or not remote
viewing is extremely lucid or not. And the other thing we found was UFO abductional phenomena seem to really I mean, you'll never find the same events, but very powerful alignments were usually in play with these events, and most importantly
on the individual. I find a lot of individuals get abducted when they have certain cycles of Saturn, like Saturn could be transiting their moon, or it might be transiting their twelfth house, or they may have strong and powerful neptune aspects that are hard on the lights, meaning the sun and the moon.
So that we found a lot of correlations both in abductions UFO phenomena of course now it's UAP, and also in events that would Yeah, well that's that's very interesting because according to these charts I'm just seeing for the first time, Saturn represents the karmic reason for incarnation. So Saturn being significant in these UFO
abductions. You know what a lot of these abductions end up kind of being about, or what the people say after these abductions are that there's some like beings that are teaching them the purpose of incarnating into this world, right, I mean, I mean, at least at very least with you know, Chris Bledsoe, like they're here to tell him the reason why we're here,
the karmic reason, the purpose of our incarnation. So I was actually gonna ask, is there a planet or a number of planets that you see repeating, So it's it seems like Saturn is usually involved. Oh yeah, see inn the astrology they nat the astrology looks at astrology completely different than almost anything I've seen in the West, and I love that. That's what really attracted
me to it. I had a number of really good teachers, had a number of not good teachers, but I also had some that were really just amazing. There was one old guy. He told me he used to do astrology for the Rothchilds in London and that these guys would never make moves, these bankers, unless it was good celestial energies. Here's a good example. COVID happened precisely on the Saturn Plutal conjunction in twenty twenty in January two. Oh yeah, like clockwork. And we also had a Collis Sarpa yoga,
which means all the planets were in between the Moon's nodes. All yeah, it's really heavy stuff. And then you know, I look back through history. We could see alignments in World War One with Saturn and Plue and color sarpos. We also saw throughout history, you know, I mean the Roman Empire collapsed on a set on a Pluto return on the Roman Empire. So yeah, I mean it's pretty well and right now, the United States is on the chopping block because it is going through a Pluto return, first time
ever ever, because that only happens every two hundred and fifty years. And how old is the United States to forty seven years old? It's not exactly two fifty either. We're actually cadeiriorly having it in twenty twenty four and it's two hundred and forty eighth year. Wow, that's that's I seem to remember the Pluto return. That's it started a few months ago, didn't it.
Well, the tropical happened in two twenty to twenty one, but the caidearials coming up three times this year, commencing all during the election year, and very powerful stuff. The United States is in grave danger right now, and it really is of being destroyed as we know it. And I think this is a different type of destruction. It's it's clearly a you could say, I got up its infrastructure and rebuilding, and there's some very powerful forces happening
on this. George Carlin might have been right. Forget the politicians you have owners. I did have one more question to ask you, if I remember correctly. I haven't actually seen it, but I know that you did an episode with my dad, and I know that you did some sort of astrology on I don't know if you did it on his birthday or if you did it on the day of the river event. What do you remember any of
the astrology astrology? Yeah, yeah, I remember. What we had done is I looked at his birth chart and I was looking at his location astrology. And see I'm on a different computer. I can't show you that right now. Okay, connection problems. But yeah, I was showing him what they call his personal lay lines are called latitude crossings. Many people know them
as pirans and locations. See, every single person will have very specific energy across the globe specific to them, totally different for everybody, and it's based on your birth chart. It's like the soul is imprinted almost like a tuning fork, like a complex tuning fork, by the positions of all the celestial energies, including the angels on the eastern horizon, all these different angelic forces that are in the Berth chart. Again, you can't get this from modern
astrology. It's absolutely not. And long story short, I looked at your dad and we found that he had the coolest line. He had a neptune Mars line, and I told him, I said, that line can be really difficult. It can be the twilight zone. But the positive side of that line is it's like a portal into the other dimensions. And look what he's doing. Means he's got all these people, he's you know, all
these crafts he's recording and orbs so cool. I wanted to just comment on that because this is the first time I will have said this like publicly, because it just happened like three or four days ago. But on Saturday, he went to a local festival here in North Carolina. There's about seventy five people that showed up. It wasn't a big, big event, it was.
It was more of a local thing and Dad put it out there on the internet to advertise, you know, And by the end of the night there were fifty or sixty people there and sure enough, they all saw orbs. They had a like a small it was a small mass sighting, but it's the biggest one yet. And I yeah, and I just see it going. I mean, you know, the biggest crowd before that was probably twenty. Now we're talking fifty or sixty people at one time seeing orbs.
I mean what's next one hundred and then it'll be one thousand and to talk about what we were talking about earlier. Real quick, this is the last thing I'm gonna say. Then I'll quit rantverybody's go ahead, you show, you talk all your I uh yeah, I just I feel like it's it's leading up to that. I think. I think, although I don't I
don't like to leave people feeling doing the groom. I think although out there in the world by the people who own the media and own you know, the news, and and and own these social media apps that we browse for fun and we think they're completely organic, but they're not. You know, the people that own these they're gonna do everything they can in their power to make it look so bad everywhere we turn in the world, you know,
because because why the question is why, Well, because we're awakening. I believe we're approaching a time where awakening will be possible for everybody, for the whole realm, you know, astrologically speaking, like Age of Aquarius, and I I do tend to think that it's going to there. I I think
that there could be some sort of mass sighting thing. I think I think there's gonna be the possibility of over the next few years, the whole world will get to see the phenomenon in some way, whether it's extremely vivid on video or everybody will be able to see it. I don't know, but I feel it more than ever. And that's all I'm gonna say. You know, I wanted to leave it positive, but well that's what I get.
I get we're going down the rabbit hole here. It's going to be a little bit of a roller coaster ride, but we're likely to come out of this. You know, there's all these dark agenda two thirties and all this horrible stuff that's being predicted. And you know, I got to tell you I'll never forget because I think I'm about a little bit older than your dead. But I came out in nineteen seventy seven. A friend of mine owned a theater and he said, Jeff, Jeff, you got to come
see this movie. So I went into the theater. Right. It was a late Great Planet Earth. You guys can look this up, Late Great Planet Earth, narrated by Orson Wells. You of course, Corson Wells very famous. Did you know War of the Worlds all that stuff. And I sat there and I watched this movie and of course it was interpretations of Nostrodamus and the person who had it. You know, they absolutely had everyone in the theater, including me at the time, convinced that that was it.
We were not going to live past nineteen eighty five, right, thousand miles in our winds, axis, tips, adamizing cities, nuclear war, and if that doesn't get you, it's going to be earthquake. It's going to be that's going to be that. And none of it happened. None of it happened. And this is you know what, that's my whole point. It's a big syops. And just like twenty twelve, everybody. I remember, I was on coast to coast. Jeff, what are you thin get
on my own calendar? I said, not a single thing. I said, I can't come up with anything for the Mayan calendar. There's just nothing there. And nothing happened. Nothing. Now some people argue me and say, well, this happened, but there's always something happening. But it happened. We're still like at nine to eleven, not like that. And what's interesting is I said, watch off for two twenty to twenty look like the trigger point two twenty. We just had something happen. Two things. One
was the COVID, but that's not just COVID. COVID, you know, I want to get into the conspiracy, but it was engineer. In my opinion, it was absolutely made to happen. They knew it, they timed it, and it worked well. They're saying that now they're actually there are people from the White House are saying that it's just you don't need to bring it on your head to tell Yeah, I mean we were lied to. Your reality becomes what you believe. There's no reality, there's only belief and
perception. Then you create your reality. There's a common reality, but clearly everyone creates a reality. And going back to this whole thing with you know, twenty twenty, there was a two hundred and forty year cycle that happened. And most of the strologiers don't agree with me on this. They all a lot of them are siderarios, a lot of more tropical. That's the
difference between vedic and tropical astrology. Anyways, long story short, George Washington and the Masons form this country very close, not exactly, but close to a great conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in a fire trine, and what that that only happens about once every thousand years, and then every two hundred and forty years, not exactly, but approximately, you get at what they call
a mutation conjunction. These go all the way back to the flood of Noah and possibly farther, but they show in the ebbs and flows and changes in society happened. And we just had one on the winter solstice of twenty twenty, and that was a great conjunction in an air trine, and a lot of everybody's running around and saying, oh, we're in the engage of Aquarius. I don't believe that. I don't think we're going to hit Aquarius.
Technically, I could be wrong and tell when the Hebrew calendar runs out right around six thousand might be when. But we're getting there. And see now we're getting close to the cusp, and awakening is happening. I think awakening's happening on every soul at different points and incarnations. But we are in a high tech era now, unlike we've not seen in any recorded history that we
know of. Anyhow, I do believe the Tartarians are probably right free energy has been thwarted and suppressed and advanced technologies that have been around for a long time, and it keeps getting suppressed by whom. Well, that fourth hierarchy we just saw, and you know, you look at communism, and you look at the totalitarian forces that have always existed on this planet. Look at MAO might have killed. They don't know they MAO could have killed up to
seventy five to one hundred million people. Nobody knows. Not a nice guy. The same thing with Lenin, same thing with Stalin. Same of course we know about Hitler six million plus. So clearly the world has seen this forever. The demonic horses come in and they're always trying to destroy humanity and creation, but it never works because divinity. If you look at that diagram, divinity is above. They are actually incarcerating these evil spirits and there's no
way out. They are always going to be there. I don't know why. Oh there it goes, Okay, there we go. I mean, if you look at this diagram, I love this diagram because if we're down here in the myopic perception of physical time and reality, there is no time. I mean, think about time. What is time? You know, the rotation of the Earth or if you're flat Earth or whatever, it's the
cycle of the sun. Right. So the bottom line is, if you took us out of this celestial mechanics, which happens right when we all exit the body known as death, there's no time. There's no time. So time it works on the physical realm in the bodies, but it does not on spirit, psyche, and soul. And what's fascinating about all this is and where I'm going with this is the upper angelic forces hold these evil forces in abeyance, and they're pissed at humanity and creation because they can't get out.
And that's why I think they forever try to. That's leap. That's really deep. I really like that. Well because I heard that, I've heard that in other ways described here. Here's the other interesting thing. See, and here's another diagram to ponder here, and this one is quite interesting because there's something known as the procession of the equinoxes. See, we're believed to go round a central sun about every twenty five thousand and seven or something
out years. No one knows. There's all kinds of people out there saying, well, this was the exact time, I don't know, but it's about that. See our solar system, they say might be rocketing around the central Sun somewhere around a half a billion miles an hour. It's like four hundred and eighty or four hundred and ninety thousand according to some experts, and they might be right. They say it's so fast that the planets are actually
spiraling behind the Sun. And the interesting thing is that's just this. These are called the Great years. And you know the Age of Aquarius will happen when the solar system enters the maderial sign of Aquarius. And there's no mile marker out there that says you've just entered Aquarius, you know. I mean, it's not there eleven you know, gas station or anything else. It's it's like, we don't know exactly when that happens. But see the Vedic
and nadi astrologers call them yugas. They not only do you have like there's coliyuga, tetra yuga, there's all these different yugas and sub yugas that no one really knows where we are. And I've looked at this stuff for years and I've come to the conclusion nobody knows, but we might be in a Colli Yuga coming out of it in a tetra sub cycle, which you know, again, this is all debatable, but here's the point. We do seem to have been in a dark age of materialism for quite a while,
and we might be emerging. Oh yeah, bred ears, Yeah, I would say that's a good way to describe the current state of the world, A dark age of materialism. That sounds about right. Yeah, yeah, but I think it'll be much sooner. I have a lot of hope, you know. I think it could be instant for anyone who becomes consciously self aware. That's I think it happens. You know, people go crazy in congregations. They only get better one by one. Yeah, that's true.
That's a very good point. Dang, Jeff, you you are a very interesting guy. I'm very glad that Dad connected us. I think that's a very good stopping point for now, because my head is still turning on an hour ago. Oh I'm being honest. So I know we've already dropped it in there, but just in case people are here at the end and they've forgotten, please one more time, what is the name of your show? And the name of your website. Yeah, my website is Jeff at Jeffharmon
dot com. And you can check out my YouTube channel too because there's a lot of really good stuff on there. It's Jeff Harmon Astrologer, Jeff rmon Vedic astrologer. You'll see it on the YouTube. It's h A R M A N. But yeah, if you check out the YouTube channel, it's a lot of fun because we go into many, many different things on the YouTube channel and a lot of different topic points, etc. So very very powerful. Everybody out there check it out. I know every person that listened
to this episode is loving mister Jeff Harmon. So you all know what to do. Get over to that YouTube channel. I'm about to do it right now. I'm telling you my head is spending so well. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on. My honor, you guys, my honor, and many blessings to you and your dad. I mean, I love your dad. He's such a such a great soul. I just really love Chris. I really appreciate that. Jeffy. I don't know how this will
happen, but at some point we have to meet in person. Oh by all means, I'm sure we will we'll meet it some convention or some show or something so awesome. Okay, I think I have a Conscious Life Expo. I think I'm speaking at that this January. So where is that? That's out here in Los Angeles? I forget exactly where. It might be at the Staples Center someplace, but all kinds of people are going to be there, George Nori, Jimmy Church, you know, all kinds of talkers,
you know, Oh, cool, cool, awesome. I wonder if I don't know if that'll go. But anyway, yes, he probably will. He should, you should, yeah, he should be minded. But yeah, So we have a cheesy little tradition. We just say bye guys at the same time. So you ready, we're just gonna say I kept down it. We're literally just gonna say bye guys. It's that simple. We just like doing it. There's nothing esoteric about it. Any three,
two one, Bye guys, Bye guys. Weird things happen in the backyard Bloods house and said over the sin look up, it was so weird coming closer to us by here stick this straight up like smiring on the inside of it. No one knows. Man, Wow, it's come r I ever got there solid and kick ain't half. The Can became Ava