Weird things happened in the backyard and weird, weird, weird. Wow, everyone, this is an extremely momentous occasion today. Something has happened that many of you, including us, would have never in a million years dreamed would happen. I probably I feel like I said that completely grammatically incorrect, But that's okay, Yoda. Oh yeah, okay, damn I'm yoda. Okay, Uh, y'all. Alex, what Sean put the camera on yourself? You freaking feed you, you sith lord. Alex watched Star Wars, all
six of them, all six of them. Yeah. Not not the prequel series yet, he may or may not watch that, but the important ones, the important ones. He watched all of them. You mean the sequel series. Oh, sorry, that's what I meant, not the sequel. He hasn't seen the sequel series yet. He did see the prequels. Uh. The prequels are very important, very very important. But yeah, you finally watch Star Wars, Alex. Why don't you tell everybody why you finally
watched Star Wars. That's a great question. So it has nothing to do with these guys, very little to do with these guys. I went to Disney World and the Star Wars I want to say, exhibit the Star Wars land is pretty cool. Okay, and you had been to Disney before, right fifteen years ago? Oh damn, okay, very young. So I go to Disney World to Star Wars and made an appointment to build what is it Savvy's workshop, Novvi's workshop anyway, build a lightsaber. I don't know,
I've never done that. It's it's awesome. Yeah, I haven't done it. It's super cool. They're all very into it. So I built a lightsaber and I'm walking around like, man, this place is like they did it right, you know. And uh so we went home and started episode four four You started how A lot of Star Wars fans would say is
the right way? You know, A lot of I feel like maybe most probably definitely the right way because it's the way that it was introduced to the world exactly it was, Yeah, exactly, that's kind of I feel like that's the way. If you've never seen Star Wars before. This is which which I would be surprised if you're watching this show and you've never seen Star Wars. But if you haven't, yeah, it's you gotta start four or
five, six, and then one, two, and three. So it's funny that Star Wars is probably the most referenced like fiction on this show ever and no matter, Well, dude, it's like the most referenced fiction ever ever. Yeah, that's probably true. That's the most universal piece of fiction ever. You're that's gotta be true, like everyone in the far reaches of the jungles of the world. Darth Vader is right that everybody knows who Darth Vader is. That's a good point. I have dubbed Darth Vader in my
mind the people's villain, and we'll get into that. Yeah, I want to hear about that. I have a thing for villains in general. I think like the writing for villains is often the most interesting. It's often more interesting than like the writing for the heroes, you know. And I feel like Darth Vader is probably the most well written villain of all time. I think he's probably also the most iconic. What's up do you think that has to do with? Uh? Most people I'd say, are like good,
Right, it's easy to be good. Yeah, it's easy to write good. But you have to give a reason for someone to be bad. Yeah, people don't just be bad absolutely. Yeah, nope. That's what makes like a good villain is. And there are exceptions, for sure. There are some villains where you don't have to have some deep backstory or whatever that are still awesome, but like to see you know, because okay, let's you watch four or five and six. Those are the first ones that came
out. So if you're watching those first, all you know is this dude, Darth Vader is crazy. He's mad powerful, he's extremely powerful with the force. He's like sick with a lightsaber, like he's scary. Yeah, he's ruthless. Oh yeah, he is ruthless, but you don't know why. And then you watch the prequels and it gives that character infinitely more. And he was already like he had depth in the in the original movies,
but but it just goes even deeper. So yeah, okay, here's a question if we want to start, if we want to start breaking down these movies and getting into them, what order do we want to do them in? I think we should do it though, And because Alex had kind of viewed them, you know, four or five, six, one two three, I think we should let Alex lead the way because he had been taking
notes on like insights that he gained from them, you know. But I just want to say, this is a big deal because we've been doing this show. We're now in year three, we have over one hundred episodes. We have referenced Star Wars dozens of times, even just like in passing, you know, about the forest or whatever, and it's just hilarious that like we now live in a timeline we never thought was possible where Alex has actually
watched Star Wars, you know. So we've been saying a lot lately that it feels like we're in the best timeline, and like this is evidence of that. You're welcome, Yeah, thank you, Alex, You're welcome. This is a blessing. It is. This is a blessing, and I'm very eternally grateful. I love the idea of letting Alex take the lead. You're cool with that guy. Yeah, yeah, So let's start four,
five six. Okay. I like it. I like it. I'm probably gonna hurt a lot of feelings here, but I'm not really prepared on four or five six because I watched them longer ago. That's fine, Maybe breeze through. I've got some really good one two three. I'm also got a lot to say about uh four, right, four is dar Darth Maul. No, no, no, no episode I'm sorry. One's Darth Maul. Yeah, one is Darth Maul. Yeah, I'm all the numbers. It
depends on your perspective. Yeah, because episode one is also the fourth movie. That's true. So I'm right, all right, an episode four is the first movie, right right? Yeah, so I don't know, Nick, take us through. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do five. Six. I want to know. This is what I want to know. This is what I start with. So you have this magical experience in Star Wars Land. It is truly magical, Like Star Wars Land and Disney is
magical. They have the life size at at like in the Millennium Falcon, the Millennium Falcon, dude, if they're all walking around and like like you know Stormtroopers and like even the just the Disney World employees who like work there, you know, your ordinary kids, and like they're you know, just show up and they're like work the cash register. They they are they have to role play. Yeah, like it's not dollars. They only say credits things like that. It's very immersive. Yeah, so I like hahn a
lot. Okay, Yeah, that's what I wanted to know. So coming back from Star Wars Land, Uh, you want you start watching episode four? What's the moment in episode four where you get that first hit of like, oh wait, this is gonna be good, Like this is gonna be really good. I don't know if it happening before. Really. Yeah, I mean it's like I'm an appreciator because I know that at the time that it came out it was world class, but the way it ages is not,
like you know what I mean. So I'm just watching for the plot. I'm kind of giggling at some of the fights. Yeah, I mean, if it's your first time ever seeing it, dude, Well yeah, let's be clear here though, Like I think you're referencing the fight between Obi Wan and Darth Vader in the end and very very special, very important. But to be like completely fair, like the original idea of the Jedi was they were fighting like Samurai. Yeah, that was the original vision. So
if you notice the way they hold their sabers, they're like Samurai. It's it's minimal movements. Wasn't until one, two three where they're like flipping all over the place, which is awesome. Yeah you know, yeah, so okay, so we have episode four. Episode four is pretty basic, like you got Luke on tattooing, he's growing up, he's like the slave farmer kid. And then out of the desert comes this freaking wizard guy, yeah Ben old man Ben, who you find out is actually obi Wan Kenobi and
they he has R two D two. Well, they get R two D two from the Jahwa traders and Luke stumbles upon the distress Beacon from Leah and it's like help me, obi Wan Kenobi, your our only hope. Luke is like, wait, Kenobi, there's that guy Ben Kenobi. Let me go see what's up with him. He's like they describe as him as like some wizard in the desert, like some weird hooded you know, and really he's been there the entirety of Luke's life. He has for meeting waiting for
him. That's actually true. And if you ever, I highly highly highly recommend watching the Obi Wan TV series because you see what happened during that time when Obi Wan was on tattooing waiting for Luke, and it was not smooth. He wasn't hang no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's some very important context in that show. But yeah, and and long story short, it's a it's a fairly basic it's like
your typical hero's journey plot. Yes, that's funny you say that, because actually, like I didn't want to like just come right out the gate with this, but there's this incredible documentary that I highly recommend eventually you should watch Empire of Dreams. And it was it was pre Disney era like it was, it was not it's on Disney Plus, but it's not affiliated with Disney
as a company. It was just completely made by Lucas Films or whoever you know in the days when it was just one through six and it's like an extreme four through six or no, right, it was just an extreme deep dive into like George Lucas, the vision behind the project, how it happened, what it was based on. And George Lucas just flat out he's he comes right out and says it. He's like, you know, the archetypes of Star Wars are very heavily based on the work of Joseph Hambell, who
is an author. I can't remember the name of his book that he wrote. If you wouldn't mind looking that up. But it's it's a book about like mythological archetypes, and it's drawing from like syncretic occult mystery traditions as well. Yeah, so he he's flat out saying it, like, you know, Thish is based on the mystery tradition. I think he is. He has a couple Hero's joy, the hero's journey, I think the hero with a thousand faces. Yeah, yeah, the power of the myth Those are
those are extremely famous books that describe like story archetypes or mythology. They they yeah, but but but what it's saying in the very strict terminology without just saying it is it's like based on the occult and the wisdom traditions. Yeah, they're just not saying that. He at other points in that he talks about Buddhism, you know, Zendism and stuff like that too. So I
mean it's it is obviously like pretty inspired. And the first hint of that that you get in episode four is when they're in obi Wan's like and obi wanas explaining the force to Luke and he's like, it surrounds us and penetrates us. It's the life force between all things, and you know, he explains that binds the universe together. Yeah, and that we're all from the Force and will return to the Force. You know, all this stuff.
It's it's very spirits, like the esoteric god Force energy field. It's the same thing. It's based on that. Yeah. And that's another thing we say all the time on the show when we're talking about like collective consciousness and stuff like that, like we're like, it's the Force. Yeah, it's like literally, yeah, yeah it is. And then yeah, so okay, Alex, you were saying you really like Han Solo. Yeah, I'm a big Han Solo respecters. Okay, now I get to subject you to
the one of the most famous Star Wars questions ever. Oh god, yeah, I know it is. He didn't see the originals as a kid. So there's this hot debate, Alex. You remember in the tavern when they were in the must I Sily Cantina and Han shot that alien. So there's this like highly debated thing. What was the conflict there? Oh? Oh? Han owed Java a bunch of money, right, and Grido with the alien was there to like try to collect on his debt and whatever, and
Han was like, I don't have the money. I'm gonna get it to him as soon as possible, and Grito was basically like, time's up. You gotta give me the money or I'll shoot you right now. And there's this like hot debate. Did Grito shoot first or did Han shoot first? Don't care? Yeah, Han's in the right, yeah he yeah. I mean, well, he he owed money to a gangster and then he killed a guy trying to collect on it, So I don't know if he's in the right. At the time watching, you're like, I don't know if
he's in the right. I don't know this guy. And then you meet what Java and you're like, yeah, that that dude's in the right, right, right. So Jabba is a notorious like war criminal gangster, like he's he's bad news. Yeah, some bad things are for good. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that's a recurring theme. I was gonna say that that kind of pops up quite a bit in Star Wars. So, okay, so we meet Leiah in one or two in one one and
then we find out they're related into yeah. Yeah, but there's a little teaser because she feels they're connected by the force. No, you don't find out they're related until the sixth movie. You're right, You're You're right. Yeah, you find out that Darth Vader is father in the fifth one. So I think I'm thinking in the fifth they have some sort of telepathic communication. He's in trouble, She's in trouble kind of thing. Yes, And
that's through the force. And if you're paying attention here, you go, oh, he's got it and she's got it. They must be related. They do that. But keep in mind when it came out in nineteen eighty, nobody no the fourth one. Also, I mean, I'm also like at a head start because I hang out with you guys and did a whole episode on it, and so like I've got all these things. It's been out for like forty or fifty years now, right, what I'm saying,
Like, imagine, imagine seeing this in nineteen eighty. This was the most advanced film of all time. Like you know, like think about like all the movies that came out in the seventies and eighties. There were like big hits. You know, you have stuff like Conan the Barbarian, you have you know, Terminator, all this stuff that came out in the seventies.
And eighties, like it's big stuff. But like the thing about Star Wars is so cool is I feel like it was the first like big, big blockbuster that had these deep, mystical, you could say, esoteric themes that like I don't know, man, it it just it just blew the mind of humanity. Yet like we've rocked the world. Yeah, that was a movie where and like you know, even to this day, like sci fi movies are kind of niche, like not everybody likes sci fi. It's fading.
It's much bigger, you know now than it was back then. But due to imagine the late seventies, like sci fi was incredibly niche. But this movie came out and everyone on the planet saw it. Yeah, everybody was like I don't care if it's sci fi, look at it. It's incredible, Like like, well, I'm gonna go see that, you know, And and yeah, you're totally right. It that probably evolved human consciousness.
Absolutely, it probably did. It revealed a lot. You know, it didn't come out and say it, but it it revealed so much rich esoteric wisdom that I think that's like part of the reason, you know, like you know, there was already Star trek right in the sixties and beyond, and you know, like sci fi is is this or that like it? You know, it's it's not super popular today. I mean really like you know, trending and pop culture. It's superhero stuff, anime like sci
fi is not really like what it was. But like what sets Star Wars apart is we're talking about space wizards with laser swords here, yeah, with magic and psychic powers. It's like fantasy and fantasy yea, yeah, it's spirit, hookey religions and ancient technology. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's a good blaster at your side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it is. It hit, It hit something that nothing had hit at that
point. Yeah. You know. The cool one of the cool things about episode four two is like it does dip your toes into the mystical stuff for sure, but it doesn't go real hard until episode five. Episode five, they just threw a caution to the wind and we're like, we're dropping all the mystical bombs on this one. But I mean, episode four, like I said, for the most part, it's pretty straightforward one of the big
like mystical, esoteric, occult, whatever you want to call it. Like significant moments that happen in episode four is when Obi Wan and Darth Vader fought, and you know, you see obi One have this like premonition or this thought or feeling or something, and he just like holds his lightsaber still and lets darth Vader strike him down, and well he says something, Oh, he told Darth Vader, strike me down, and I shall become more powerful
than you could ever imagine. Yeah. Yeah, and then he lets him kill him because he can tell that Darth Vader is still bent on killing him, because you know, he wants to exact his revenge on Obi Wan. And there's I think there's something to be said to about Luke and Luke's limited time with his Master and how powerful Luke became and what he did having a fraction of the Master time that the people before him did, which says a
lot about his lineage. Absolutely it does. Before Disney bought Star Wars again, this is old inside baseball of like literally everybody else in the world who likes Star Wars back then, you know, like he just weren't there for this kind of stuff. You know, you weren't part of the elite like every day person of the world who watched Star Wars before they were like twenty five, you know what I mean. But I'm twenty four. So oh shoot, there you go. You'll be twenty five this month, he'll be
next week, he'll be twenty five for the week after. Baby jokes aside, you know, just sarcasm aside. George Lucas came out and he was like, Luke Skywalker is the strongest Jedi who has ever lived. That was his That was his idea of Luke was like, even though you know, uh Anakin was the chosen one who would balance the force, Luke was like the Jedi with the strongest potential of all, like ever, and then of course Disney gets involved. Okay, have a different idea. You just said
that, right, Anakin balanced the Force. Luke's strongest Jedi ever. Yeah, there would be no Luke without Anakin, right, So who balanced the force? Anakin? Yeah? Anakin? Anakin did. Anakin never stopped being the chosen one. Everything that happened was supposed to happen exactly the way that it happened. I know you're getting me hot, Yes, all right, So we're gonna breeze Pass six. We'll come back. We don't come back
the whole plot thing. No, we're gonna come back. Okay. So one two three I started developing this theory and if I'm if this is just old news to you, then tell me, stop me, don't let me. What's the theory? Anakin Darth Vader is the Journey of Man. Yes
he is. He's Lucifer, he exactly he is. The second episode Who Does Man podcast is about that he is born a not like he doesn't know who he is, and so he's born a human being with original sin because he has all of the desires of someone who wasn't brought up in the Jedi Temple. He wants to love, he was attached to things. He has this ego about him and that's not his fault. And then he goes through this whole old transition and becomes aware and then dies and is resurrected and sent
to Heaven. Absolutely real quick, I want to show you this. Maybe we can include it in the episode. Look, Alex, that's like the most paint famous painting of Lucifer and that's Anakin. Oh yeah, look you could probably see it right. Uh, wait for it? Is it? Like? Wait for it? There it is there it is. Yeah, so it's like a comparison. There's a shot where like they basically mirror the
painting, the famous painting of Lucifer, and it's Anakin. And like we've talked in a in a recent episode about how you know what's it, uh, theosophically Theosophically Lucifer is seen as like a representation of the journey of man, right, Yeah, like Alex sent from the spiritual and then we're here in the material and we're learning these lessons through trial and suffering. And yeah,
I think, Alex, you're right on the money. Yeah, and uh, you know, I don't I don't know if you caught it in episode one, but you know who Anakin's dad is, right the Force? Yeah, yeah, he's also Christ. Yeah, he literally was an immaculate conception. Right, he was an immaculate conception. So appears to me in to my first note, Okay, this is episode one arguably my favorite episode. SAME's it's tied between one and three for me. We gets a lot
of hate, but it is amazing. It's my favorite. And I just want to take a moment to talk about Anakin's mother who and I just want to talk about motherhood because she is such an underrated character with such an important job and did did her duty like selflessly, she did not hold him back. She and it's like and and it's it touched me a little bit because
my mom's going through the same thing. I'm not, I'm I'm not anakin or I might be are, but you know, I'm out of the house, my little brother getting ready to move away, and my mother feeling very like empty nester about it. Yeah, and it's not it sucks, but it's it's like, you did it, like your mission complete and you're mission.
You're not over, like you're you know, your kids aren't gone, right, But it's like she let him go, did not hold him back, did not shed a tear in front of him, and did like just just so underrated, like like you did such a good job. And I can't I can't really find the words without being so sappy about it. But like that whole thing really hit me because she could have made it so hard for him to leave. She could, and she could have been so jealous
that it wasn't her. Let's light one for Alex's mom. Let's light one for Alex's mom. This is for you. Alex's mom, Teresa Teresa Teresa Skywalker smish. Yeah, Yo, you know what Alex Alex Theresa Sisa, Alex, I have to I didn't think you would say anything that like didn't occur to me already. And that might sound like pompous or whatever, but it's not like that. We've seen the movies one hundred times. I have seen him, and you know what, man, I've never like given Shmi
time. I've never given time and been like, oh damn, like she really, I mean think even before I think even before he left. I mean he she recognized his talents. Yeah, she gave him support, the support and the free range to go and explore his abilities. She could have stopped him from pod racing her report, dude, oh my god. And you know what it was. It was her faith. She was talking to Qui Gon and she was like, there was no father. She she said,
there was no father. I had him. I know he's meant for greatness, right, I know he's meant for great things. So like it was her so selfless, oh so selfless. Yeah. And it's like to moms everywhere who are giving every ounce of themselves for their children. Shout out to all y'all, all star moms out there. It's want it shout to be one of the hardest jobs on the planet. Yeah, shout out are shaping and molding the future. Thank you. Shout out to the moms.
Dude, come on with the heat, Alex. I'm proud of you. Do all right? Yeah you want to shift gears a little bit? Yeah, Star Wars, but real quick? Did it? Like? So I never had that deep emotional connection to Schmid, So did you, like, did it fuck you up? When she died? I felt like anakin. Yeah, I would have done the exact same thing and more. When he probably my favorite part of six movies is when he comes out of that tent. It just cuts the head off of those what are their names for the
Tuscan Raiders. Yeah, like, dude, it's pretty raw. When oh, it's so raw. He killed the men and the women and the children too, and they're animals and I slaughtered them like animals. Yeah, that's pure anger right there. And I felt that yeah, yeah, like and I would have done the same thing. And it goes back to what you were saying about the genius writing, Alex, because like you're watching it and you're like God, he should not be doing that. But like I can't
blame him, Yeah, like I can't. They they tortured his mother endlessly and enslaved her, and then she died slowly and painful. I loved her her passing. Oh really like the timing of it. It like I felt like resolved. Like I'm glad that those last thirty seconds were the last thirty seconds. M But I would have done exactly the same thing and I would have found more Tuscan raiders to continue on go. What did What did she say to him? She said, what did she say to him if she
was dying? She's like she said something like I'm complete, or like thank you, I love you, I'm proud of you. Yeah, like her dying moments, she was like, yeah, that's all I wanted just to see. Oh yeah, She's like you came back. You came back. And he told her he told her he would. Yeah exactly. He's like,
I told you I would. Mom. Oh well, I just keep thinking, you know, we all watched the third movie together last night, and I keep thinking about, like how when he was having the premonitions about pad Me dying and he was like, I won't lose you like I lost my mother. You know, it was like the trauma of his mother like pushed him. Yeah, you know, it was integral too to me.
And I started thinking about this last night after the movie. Is this destiny thing, and he has these dreams about pad Me and that's the main driver to the dark side. He attachment attachment to her. So he he's having these dreams and trying to run away from destiny and is running head first into destiny. Absolutely, And that's how it's usually represented in fiction too. You try to you try to run from your destiny. And but I think that's I think that's real life. Do you remember, oh yeah, yeah,
you remember when he first had those nightmares about pad Me dying. And then he goes and he seeks counsel from Yoda, but he doesn't tell him nightmares because he's like, he can't rat on himself for you know, being Jedi are not supposed to right, And he's going to Yoda, He's like, I'm having these dreams, these nightmares, premonitions maybe about people dying. Horror, and Yoda says death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those
around you who transform into the forest. We must learn to let go of our control. You know, it's like it's it's I mean, come on. So so one of the most like famous quotes from Yoda in the whole Star Wars series is when it might have been in two, or it might have been in three, but I don't I don't remember seeing that last night. But he says, fear leads to anger, Anger leads to hate,
hate leads to suffering. These are the dark side of the Force. He might have actually said that in the in the original movies, anger, anger, hate, hate leads to suffering. Dude. And here is the crazy thing. You literally, throughout the six movies see Anakin go through all of those. He is afraid to lose the people he loves, which leads him into anger. He starts murdering the Tuscan Raiders, and he'll do anything to
prevent pad May from dying, which Sidius tells him. Palpatine tells him, You're gonna have to go and slaughter all the Jedi and the former Master. Yeah, then you'll be more. Then you'll be powerful enough. And that that mentality of Anakin having to like cut his emotions off and just brutally slaughter people that led him into that deep hate and and then look where it ended up. His best friend cut all of his limbs off and burned him in
a magma lake. And he is he is a walking like he's you know, they said, Obi Wan says he's more machine now than man, Like he is living in a state of pure agony and suffering. I thought about that like karma being manifested, you know. But like I thought of a few things in that moment that reminds me of It's totally not related to Star Wars, but it's the same thing, you know, same esoteric message when a Tachi tells Saske, like you have to kill your best friend to develop
your mom get your sharing gun. But you know, if we're thinking about this from a syncretic or syncretistic standpoint of like looking at these mythologies, you say, Star Wars is a mythology, you know, and and we're extracting the spiritual data, the spiritual wisdom that's like hidden beneath the core. It's like the symbolism there is like I think Alex's theory is correct, you know.
It's like, you know, Anakin is Anakin is not only the story of man, but it's also like the story of the path to enlightenment, and it shows you both sides. It shows you like if you take the left hand, the left hand path, which is a service to self. You know, he's selfishly disobeying the good and the will of the macro cosm to further his own power for his own selfish material game. But it was for pad Ma, well, no, it wasn't. It was for himself.
For him, he said he didn't know how to live without her. He killed her. Yeah, he killed her that nightmare he had, he manifested it through his selfishness evil. He choked her. He choked her pregnant like like he he literally killed her Yoda or obi wan literally no nossidious at the intels, it seems anger, you've killed his anger killed, yeah, which he manifested his nightmare because he took the left hand. Well, he was having nightmares of his destiny. But again, you know, it's like
the free will thing. It's like right hand path first, left hand path. And that's what I love about Anakin because then you know, we we know that, like we're constantly reincarnating upwards and learning lessons in between lives. I know that he's just living one life. But it's it's it's it's symbolism here, right, So let me interrupt you real quick because we're we're really close. So in episode three, he walks under the Jedi Temple to slay
all the Jedi, right, Ryan, what the cross? The symbol of the cross the c And when he walks into that temple, he is walking across the matter access so he is walking the path of man being material and attached into the Jedi Temple before he kills all the Jedi. Yeah dude, yeah, So so now that you've had time to process episode three, what did you think about it? I want to back up real quick. I got a note on okay, bat bat bat, let's go back to one. Yeah, okay, so that's the Dual Fates, right, yep.
So obviously fantastic battle, great choreography, whatever. But I thought after watching this, I was like, what a great snapshot and just if you wanted to know about the dark Side and one battle, that's the battle to watch it. Because he essentially kills h no help me, and his lightsaber is sitting next to him, and then Obi Wan is hanging he Darth Maul kicks the blue lightsaber off the ledge. Now this is where faster, easier,
more seductive comes into play. But he didn't think it all the way through because Quigan's Lightsaber is still there, so he is so wrapped up in what he's doing in the moment. Darth Maul is because he's a Sith, he doesn't realize the long term that the other lightsaber is over here, and that is his downfall because Obi Wan jumps up grabs the other lightsaber becomes the master switching colors. Yeah, yeah, like that's obvious master saber. Yes,
that's the obvious one. But I just thought the whole Darth Maul did not think it through to be very foreshadowing to the to the Sith. Well, that's how the Sith. That's how the Sith fight like passion exactly, they look inward. They react with passion. They like they exalt their emotions.
They they it's their like, it's it's their driving force. Is they're not they're not processing as well as the gen that's illustrated with in the third movie when when Lord City starts fighting, he's like he's like he's like geeking out, he's loving it. He's like licking his lips. Yeah, it's it's emphasizing his lust, his his kind of like, you know, not to be inappropriate, but it kind of like orgasmic desire to slaughter these gens,
like blood lust. He's right, it's it's really really creepy. But the amazing thing is the Jedi. The way that they fight is they literally just let go, let go of everything and let the They let the Force guide their blade. I mean, look at Luke his first training with a lightsaber, blindfolded him, and you just gotta your feeling. You gotta feel the force. You have to feel where the Force is trying to guide you before we get too far. I wanted to bring something to Alex's attention that he
might not have like clicked on his first watch through. So in episode four, right, Obi Wan and Darth Vader are fighting and you see this moment. It's not explicit, doesn't say it out loud, but you can gather the context here from all six movies. The Jedi that are powerful enough in the Force, they can sense the future. I mean, you saw it last night in the third movie Mace Windows, like I sense a plot from the Sid to destroy the Jedi. Yoda's like I sensed this, I said.
You know, they can they can feel into the future in a listed way. One knew that Darth was going to kill him. Obi Wan knew that that had to happen for the Luke to progress through his destiny. Absolutely, But but where did we see that again? Episode one? Qui gone, he meditated, He sat there and he meditated, and he allow Darth Maul to strike him down because exactly mirroring you know, Obie's Obi one repeated
the same fate that his master repeated for him. Yeah, and both times like they they knew, like my death will be a sacrifice for my pupil to become the master and and fulfill the destiny. Yeah you and it's very subtly done in self sacrifice. Yeah, it's subtly done in episode one.
But if you watch when Quigan is fighting Darth Maul, right before he gets stabbed in the gut, he stops for a second, let him pauses, and he makes a face like oh, he like fully realizes in that moment like, okay, here it is, I gotta I have to I have to let myself die. And the sixth process of that is the inversion. Yeah, they kill their masters in their sleep and all this and that it's
it's beautiful. The illustration of like the right hand path, which is, in simple terms, it is service to others, you know, you you you know, self sacrifice, not literally in yourself, but you know, helping others, compassion versus the left hand path, service to self, lust for power, lust for gain, greet you know all that. The illustrate
there's nothing better, you know, Like Star Wars nails it. Yeah, And and like the way that they describe the Force too, Like if you read some of the deep lore of Star Wars, like when when a Sith and a Jedi are clashing, like it's just the Force working itself out. It's already pre written what's going to happen. Yeah, they're they're they're really
just kind of like automatically following the Force's will without even knowing it. They're just the physical representation of what's happening in the astral realm or in the Force realm or whatever. So Anakin's journey, the will of the Force, the what the will of the Force. Everything that happened was, dude, the Force spit out a guy. The Force literally was like you have to be
here, and like like he yeah, everything was pre written. The more you watch the movies, too, the more mind blowing it gets because you see so many things you haven't noticed. Oh, like, it's it's crazy, man. Yeah, I mean the Force literally spit out a guy. And you know, there's a lot of theories that you're you're downplaying Shmi again. What do you mean the Force spit out a guy. I mean, dude, it's immaculate conception. Like literally literally, I'm just messing with you.
There's theories that Plagas was the one that put put Anakin in Schmid, which I don't I don't know, but I mean, hey, it could have been. It could be it could be the Force working through Plagas to do that. Who knows, but I wanted to highlight something, just just the concept here. Remember sometime in the last I don't remember exactly when we did this episode, but it was the Karma episode. Remember, around the time we did Pinocchio. I think we recorded on the same weekend and they
came out shortly after each other. But something that we talked about when you study the laws of Karma, I think there's twelve laws. It's like anything that is truly good and that is truly selfless, and that is bred from compassion and like right living, right intention in the cosmic you know, like not in the individual micro scale, like I live seventy years and poof f I'm gone, But like in the cosmic scheme of things, anything that has
manifested through goodness takes a much longer time because it's permanent. It is a more subtle change over the long term for things to manifest. And I just think about it, like the galaxy was enslaved by the Emperor for I mean, we can speculate it was thirty or forty years, you know, between all of this starting in the first movie to Luke, you know, defeating them in episode six. It's it's it's not super long. But but at the end of it all it was balanced out and light was brought on the
people. But think about like individual daily life. You know, you see people like I mean, I don't want to like bring hate on anybody name dropping. You know, like you think about people like Jeff Bezos or like Bill Gates or like these ultra billionaires trillionaires who have and this is a very rudimentary example, but you have people in life who have made great fortune in great fame and great recognition for themselves and great luxury by stepping on other people.
Yeah, it's that left hand path that Sith service to self lifestyle. And then you have people that you know, you know, everybody knows somebody who's just such a kind, modest, loving soul, and sometimes you're just like they're just barely making it. Yeah, you know, I think about like mom and pop businesses that just go out of their way to take care of the people that are there for them. Yeah, you know what I mean in correlations to your Jeff Bezos Amazon, And like it clearly illustrated in
the movie that Sidious was in terms of like raw battle power. I mean, sure his battle with Yoda was technically a stalemate technically, you know, but like even Yoda was telling over one like you're not powerful enough to defeat him. It goes out of its way to explain to you that, you know, two Sith can take on all the Jedi. There's so much more like raw destructive power. But like you know, in the end, they
lose. Yeah, the good takes this much longer time of all of these devoted neophytes and disciples, like surrendering their control and their will to the will of the higher power God or in this case, the force, and letting it slowly and suddenly work out the events of you know, the every day in the micro and the macro for it to be balanced forever. Yeah. You see, you see what I'm getting at here. It's like the good
takes time to manifest. Yeah, Yoda. Yoda describes that in episode five, and it's probably the thing that I quote the most on the show. When he says the dark side is quicker, easier, and more seductive. He means that, but it destroys you. Oh yeah, but it'll destroy you. I mean, he means that it is quicker. Like you know,
we make examples. We talk about people in the real world who have dark intentions and will twist this occult knowledge and do really bad, fucked up dings, dark dark things, UH to as like a quick catalyst to make big, magical things happen, big thing manifestations happen in their real lives. You know that might be who knows, that might be why you know some of the some of the messed up things you see happening on the news you never know. You really never know. I mean even even in the olden
days, in the medieval times, they were sacrificing. You know, even in the Bible, they're sacrificing people good and bad, sacrificing people to make magic happen, to make things happen quickly. It's quicker, it's easier because it doesn't take as long, and it's more seductive because it's like addictive. It's like when you start, i mean quick results. Look at Anakin.
Look at it. His eyes are turning yellow. Did you notice that alex as Anakin is becoming vader His eyes are turning yellow, like sidious is He's getting that power immediately from just like turning off his emotions and he's basically like ritually sacrificing people. I mean, you know, if you think out of the box about it, Yeah, that's not so far out of the box.
Yeah, but you know again, it's like you have the Jedi on the other hand, who from childhood devote their entire lives to being an acolyte of this this faith based, merit based system where they devote themselves to the will of the God, force and goodness and the light, and they spend their whole lives like what's so cool about the Jedi is at every waking moment according to their tenant. It's like you have to be calm and neutral and
not have attachments to anything. Literally Buddhism like Zinm Buddhism or Tibetan Buddhism. Straight up, it's Buddhism. It's crazy. It's like rainbow body, like they're they're they're trying to achieve rainbow body, and they do. They go into the ghosts. Yeah, straight up, they merge with the force. What are you gonna say? I was just gonna say. The moral of the story is, do not fall in love with politicians, no matter how good looking they are. Do not do it. You think that was the
main problem. Also, don't seduce as in monk. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, there you go. What about that? You have any notes on episode two? Yeah? Yeah, because full two third eye headset? What that's what I wrote down When uh Obi Wan's in the screw Cruiser. The headset that they wear while they're in the ship flying, I don't remember this part touches their third eye and then it goes down to their to their so they're driving the ship with their third eye essentially, which like which
planet? What did it look like in any of the cruisers they got in. Yeah, like this like the Okay, I haven't seen episode two in just a few years, so I can't. Well even in three, even in three when they're the heading in their ships in space, Yeah, when they're flying into grievous ship, he's wearing this third eye, like this headset that stops at the third eye, right, dude, It's so crazy.
I'm just remembering. Like you know, there's so much that happens throughout Star Wars, but even even in episode four, you can see the Force like manifesting its will. Like even at the very end of the fourth one, when Luke has to like close his eyes and meditate to shoot down into that vega, do you know what I'm realizing? Yeah? Yeah, Well I don't want to cut you off. That's a great point. Do you remember in in four when he's supposed to be training with Yoda. Luke is supposed
to be training with Yoda. That's five. Yoda doesn't come in I'm sorry five, and he's like, no, my friends are in trouble. I
have to leave. That's so similar to his father. I mean, think about it all the times, like when Padmey got pushed out of the helicopter, fell out of the helicopter, and he's flying into the building to mess up grievous yeah, or not grievous some uh dooku and he's like, we have to go back for padme Yeah, but or or in like, dude, he's exactly like he's I mean, in so many ways he is, you know, and originally, like there are some moments in the original trilogy
where you kind of see Luke on a teetering point where he could start to go towards the dark side, especially in Return of the Jedi. Yes, when he's fighting Vader exactly, he overwhelms him with power, and Sidious is like, yeah, he's like he feels Luke's anger and it's and like I said, it's amazing that with the limited time that he had with his master, that he was able to not be seduced. And then I think that Darth Vader saw that and said and knew, I mean, he knew it
was his kid. Darth Vader saw him not get seduced the way that he was and then had that soft moment and then killed Sidius. Yeah yeah, and then like come on the moment moment when he's like dying and Luke's like, we have to get you out of here, and he's like no, it's too late, and he's like I gotta save you, and Darth Vader's
like you already have. Oh. It's also again, it's like what we talked about in I think the Akira episode where it's like Akira went to the dark path, but then in the end he's still ascended to God consciousness. Tetsuo, Yeah, yeah, not Akira, but you know in that episode, Darth Vader he takes this dark path, but then at the end he's he's he's still redeemable, and honestly, you know, you can't even really imagine what would have happened if he didn't do that. But that truly is
the way that it had to shake out. I mean, they make that clear like force, and it just makes me think of religion, like, you know, you could be Darth Vader, you could be you could be out there, you could be worse than Darth Vader, and you can still be forgiven m and you can still ascend to be a force ghost. Oh, dude, absolutely look at like Luke and pad May both at one point that at different points say about Darth Vader, like there's good in him,
I feel it. Yeah, right before she died, Yeah, there's good at Yeah, those were her dying words. There's good in him, there's good in him. And then Luke when he's like face to face with Darth Vader, there's good in you. I can feel it. I feel it. No. So she's sang that and obi Wan is holding Luke right next to her. Oh shit, And I'm thinking, right, oh my god, he is absorbing that information even though he's an infant child. Well he
feels it through the force. Well yeah, but it's pretty crazy. It's so poetic. It's yeah, it's symbolic, it's poetic. There are a lot of moments like that in Star Wars. I want to remind you, guys, we talked about this in episode two of the podcast. I'm talking
like two years ago, episode two. Now, this is speculation, but in Kabbala, you know, there's the ten separrot or there's the nine sepf rotten in the tenth which is like supposedly the convergence of all realities, and in in in Kabala, the tenth Stephora is da daa t h which is the Hebrew word for knowledge or nosis. It's the special kind of knowledge that is unique to the consciousness. So it's like imagine it being like passing through
the metaphysical doorway where the mystical invisible knowledge is received. So like, you know, these these these Jedi, they get seduced to the Sith. They pass through this doorway of the forbidden you know, the forbidden arts, and they receive this knowledge that is not considered acceptable by the other Jedi. I don't know. I wonder if he was playing on this word when creating Darth you know yea, so essentially his name means all knowing father Darth Vader.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you could think about it like that out of the father of its speculation. But yeah, the father of nosis. Like it's which is like low key, some Lucifer type shit like menia, you know, like it's pretty crazy. There's It's one of those It's one of those stories that like you could look at it from ten different angles and get ten different like rich spiritual meanings from it, right, Like it's just
packed to the brand with allegory. I also think of Anakin's descent into Darth Vader as being like the symbolic dark Knight of the Soul that we all experience when we are awakening, because it's like shadow work, like when we awaken to a higher reality, when when we reach a state of vibration and nosis where we are like existentially aware that we are an immortal light being. It's kind of like it's heavy at first. Oh yeah, because because we come
face to face with our shadow side, our traumas. I mean, it's not easy to awaken. Now. I think Darth Vader is like very symbolic of that, you know, the dark Knight of the Soul. Yeah, well, I mean imagine he's he you know, since he was a small since he was ten years old, he just he found out about the Jedi and he just wants to be a Jedi, and he's been training to control his emotions and to not feel things and not be attached none of that stuff.
And then suddenly he like starts developing feelings on his own, and it's he's having this internal struggle between like the path of enlightenment, the spiritual path, and the matter path. He's like he's like, it feels good to be attached to these things, but I'm not supposed to be attached to these things because I want to be a great Jedi. But it's seductive because it
feels good. It feels good in the moment. You know he's feeling Anakin is feeling like very disrespected or like shirked by the Jedi Council, like he doesn't matter to them, he's not important to them. Well, you know, they did a good job making him feel that way. They did. Yeah, yeah, but they were right when they were right. They were right the whole time they were They could feel it the whole time. They kept saying that sense of plot, something about him not right. They were
right, he's not ready, they kept he's not ready. And it's because like they probably had that little cur ern of a feeling like this could go south and if it does, and it did, and it did exactly, Yeah, well did it go south? Because well it did. Yeah, it went south and it had to go south to go north. Well, right, I mean, like destiny played out regardless. But if the if the Jedi Council had given him I want to say more respect, but but
really it would be more communication and more damn openness. If they would have been like, look, you're not ready, and this is why not just you're not ready? Sit down? Boy? Well, I mean these are like old and lighten masters, and he's like a twenty something year old kid who's like trying to get buck with him. You know something, your kid that could probably kick there, but I mean not really. Obi Wan humbled him. And obi Wan wasn't even the most powerful one. Mace Window smacked
city. Is he's by combatibility Maze Window was the peak. Yeah, he got. He got is literally like he's cannon the best lightsaber fighter of all Jedi and Sith like, is that? How are you got a special one? No? He gotta you know the story about that? Oh my god, bro, this is literally how he got a purple lightsaber. Samuel L. Jackson when they were doing the real story not like, oh listen, no, there is no Well they did retroactively make a lower reason as to
why. But Samuel L. Jackson when they were filming the second one, he just like walked up. There's a video of it. It's an Empire of dreams. He walks up to George Lucas and he's like, so, who makes the decision on the lightsaber colors? And George is like, well, the blue. The good guys are blue and green and the bad guys are red. And he's like, so, uh, there's no purple. And George was like, we could maybe, we could maybe give you a
purple one, and he got a purple one. That was it. So then they were like, well, he's a he's also knowledgeable in the dark arts, so he it's red mixed with blue. But like that's the real reason. He was like, I on a purple one. Yeah, and George was like that'd be dope, and they did it. Yeah. But
but Mace windew is canonically the best lightsaber duellist of all. He's kind of like the peak Jedi, like he's leading the meetings and everything, you know, the only person that could like keep up with him and sparring quig Gin is the only one. And then like Yoda is the strongest in the Force, like among Jedi, but truly Darth Vader is like leagues stronger than like
he Darth peaked Darth Vader. Yeah, Darth Vader does things with the Force that is just like it doesn't mean he he like pulls Imperial cruisers out of space with the Force like he's on a different Remember in the show, the Obi Wan show that came out last year where he's like fighting lightsaber duels with the force. That was called that was cool, dude. He was like, we saw that clip he was blocking lightsabers with his hand with the force,
Like just like that was cool, bro. And then and then they're trying to escape in that ship and they're like taking off super quick and he literally just stops him. And we should show him the clip in Rogue one too, the hallway, bro, that you have on real bro that because me and my buddies watched Rogue one and then we got walkie talkies and started driving around calling each other a red leader, gold leader. Okay, I got let's let's geek out for a minute. Let's geek out for just a
minute. Let's just get real geeky about Star Wars Alex. You've seen all six. Which one's your favorite? Episode one? Yeah? Okay, episode one? What's your favorite lightsaber battle? Uh? You tell me that LB one versus Anakin fight was not so good? Yeah, dude, I think about this. Remember that moment when they were fighting on the table and they were doing the exact same moves, so they weren't hitting each other they were
like spinning the sabers around him in the exact same formation. So it's because he trained him, so they have the same exactly when Anakin cuts Duku's head off, that's that's my favorite. That was sick. I liked their fighting the second movie, yeah, where like you know, they knocked the lights out and Obi Wan got beat up. So like Anakin has both their sabers and he's fighting with two sabers in the dark and then Yoda shows up. Yeah, yeah, that was that just didn't have the outcome I wanted.
So that's why I like over your control, you know, no, I know, but I liked the anger and the do it Okay, Yeah, I mean like to my favorites are duel of fates, like like Wigan and Obi Wan versus Darth Maul is like on, dude, you tell me when you were a kid and you watch episode one for the first time and you see Darth Maul light up as lightsaber and then a second one comes out, you tell me you didn't shit yourself. Oh dude, I was like six years old first of all. Yeah, and I was like, oh my
god, like this is the best thing I've ever seen. You can do that. Yeah, he has a double one. Yeah, because you know I'd seen four or five and six on vhs like a thousand times. Yeah. Do you know what one of my issues with the seven, eight and nine are? What have you seen him? Uh? Well, I know enough of them. I mean Ryan's holding one of the lightsabers from seven, eight and nine. Yeah. And my thing is like, you are so
right that Darth Maul's lightsaber stunning. It's right ahead of its times, mind blowing. And then They're like, oh, we could just keep doing this, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no no no. Not everybody gets a special one. This one's cool though, well yeah it's cool. But it's like there's a lore reason as to like he Kylo made it like that. The thing is in in like Star Wars lore,
there actually are dual savers. There have like always been dual savers, Like even in old Republic times there were there were Sith who had dual savers uh in different forms and fashions too. But that is like just a creation of Kilos himself. He was just like his lightsaber is all fucked up, like it uses a cracked kaiber crystal. So it's like very unstable, and he actually had to put those on the side as vents, and it's just a it's just like a side effect that it happens to work as a hilt.
He put those on there because he uses a cracked kaiber crystal and it he had to vent it. It's kind of it's kind of crazy, like seven, eight and nine are I like them a lot? I'm wearing a Force Awakened shirt right now? Uh all right, geeking out? Yes, Ryan, what's your favorite lightsaber? Oh? Oh mmm, it's either Luke's Green one or Obi once Yo. I like the hilt. Oh yeah, Qui Goons is really cool. I like I love Count Dookuz. I was
gonna say that Count his hill is tight. It's like that curve like that crazy and and when he ignites it, he like does like down, like he goes like in like, dude, it's so sick. I Count Duku is epic. I also like Yoda is a little dancy one. Oh yeah. He uses a young ling's training saber like he literally, I mean he he eventually craft had one crafted for himself, but it is a young ling
sized light saber. I ripped this quote last night when we were watching the movie, I just thought it was so cool in terms of like magical knowledge sidious. When he was seducing Anakin at that play where they're having that private conversation and secret, he said, if one is to understand the Great Mystery, one must understand and study all of its aspects. He was trying to
seduce him to study the dark Side. And yeah, he's not wrong, But the Great Mystery, I mean literally, like in the dialogue they are talking in esoteric I think of like I think of like being in the Renaissance era, you know, going to some to some alchemical society and they're like reading this this knowledge to you, you know, in order to understand the Great Story. That's that's the vibe I get from the dialogue of the Jedi in the Sith for sure, And Alex you might not know this because it
never really explicitly says it in the movie. It talks about it in the books and stuff. But Qui Gon is what's considered a gray Jedi, and it's because like he is a Jedi, but he is knowledgeable in the sides of the in the you know, the ways of the dark Side. And it's interesting that he was the first one to become a Force ghost, and then his padawan becomes a Force Ghost, and then Padawan becomes a Force Ghost, and then his son becomes a Force ghost. Spoiler alert. Yeah,
yeah, but Luke Luke becomes a Force ghost. Strange how that works. Strange how that works? And Yoda too, But I mean, come on, we all saw that coming. Yeah, Yoda, Yoda gets what Yoda wants. Yes, Yoda is let us Dumbledore. You know, you know how old Yoda is nine hundred and something. Yeah, he's like nine hundred and something years old. I don't know they're aging. Thing is crazy because like Grogu and the show is like fifty and he can't even talk. He's
still like a baby. We haven't even like talked about the quotes from Yoda that are just some mind blowing like luminous beings Are we not that well? We I mean we just talked about some, but not that one. You know, luminous beings? Are we not this crude matter? I think we hit that pretty hard and in episode two, but it is like one of the most important quotes because he's basically tell light beings of the Force exactly, the God Force. Yeah, he is telling Luke like, you're not this
You're not this crude matter, You're not this thing. You're you're light right, You're you're part of the force, and you're going to return to the force one day. Like rejoice for those around you who have transformed into the force. Yeah, that they are literally like dying and reaching enlightenment, becoming light beings. Like it's it's so Buddhist, it's so on the nose.
Well, it's beyond you know, Buddhist is like exoteric. Sure, yeah, you know we're talking more like Tibetan Buddhist or like the Atlantean wisdom tradition, like the truth. You know, Buddhism is like I'm always talking about Zen Buddhism, which is the more esoteric, Like those are the ones that when you ascend, you become a Buddha, which is one of those little right orbs. They're literally like cherubs. There was something else I thought of
a a bit ago while while we were having this conversation. It's like, if you think about it, Star Wars also could be interpreted as the story of Atlantis, Like, you know, we had this precursor society back in episode one, two and three, where it's like this Grand Council of you know, thousands upon thousands of Jedi with this heightened spiritual knowledge on how to
manipulate reality around them. And then you have this dark side who just like the story of Atlantis goos according to Helena Blovotsky or Edgar Casey or whoever, the story goes that there are people who are seduced by the egotistical uses of magic, right, and they enact a war between the two and there's like
this cataclysmic type event where the precursor society is wiped out. But you know, there's vestiges of the society that survive in secret and hold on to this knowledge and pass it down to initiates in secret, you know, in the sense that we have Obi Wan and Yoda who are teaching Luke the new Initiate. But then, you know, as real human history goes, the dark Side, for whatever reason, retained power over the macro and the form of
the empire. Well we have you know, whoever's in control of the world today since the times of Babylon and even before. It's like if you know, and then there's a there's an age in the movie it's only thirty or forty years later, but there's an age where this initiate comes forth, this knowledge begins to spread again. The Empires defeated, and then they live in an age apiece. Yeah, it's like the return to the old Atlantean society. Yeah, yeah, that's that's cool. That's cool. Way thing about
it. I want to us say one other thing completely unrelated to that too. It's very interesting to me how the illusion of safety led all of this, especially in episode three, lad everything down this very very dark path because Anakin is going out of his way to do all of these things to ensure Padmey's safety. I mean it's it's it's selfish, but it's like she must be safe, she must be mine forever. And then the Republic is turning
into a dictatorship because they're trying to keep everybody safe. Well it's the thing. Yeah, that's a fantastic point, but it's also sorry to cut you off. It's also like you have to step outside of safety to grow. You have to go stand up on your own and walk with your own two feet and grow. I act, be yourself. I have a perfect parallel to that. Think about the Jedi and the Fifth Like you think the whole time, Like the Jedi are the good guys, the Sith of the bad
guys, and that's it, the Sith evil or whatever. But like it's much more nuanced than that. And think about Luke, like you just said, somebody eventually has to step outside and mix things up a little bit. What is it that ultimately led Luke to allowing Vader to fulfill his prophecy. It was his love and care for his father, which a Jedi is not supposed to have. A Jedi is not supposed to have feelings and emotions and
attachments and stuff like that. Like, so the Sith look at the Jedi as these dogmatic robot dogs that have no emotion and they're just mindless and they're serving this like mindless purpose or whatever. And you know, the Jedi look at the Syth and they see these like over emotional, over zealous, like
power hungry, whatever. But it is more nuanced than that. And that cycle didn't get broken until Luke showed up, learned the ways of the Force, learned the ways of the Jedi, and said, but it is still important for me to care about my father, like it is I can have some attachment that is the love and the compassion that the Jedi were maybe abusing
or neglecting. Yeah, missing exactly because they have compassion to a certain extent, Like they do things self selflessly, but they're very but they so sorry, No, they do things selfless. So like when Padmey fell out of the helicopter, that is the perfect example exactly, because it's like, no, we must remain on the mission. But it also would have been really nice to rescue her. Yeah, Like it would have been selfless to rescue her, and it would have also been selfless to go and try to destroy
Dooku. So you are then making the conscious decision to put the mission over the feelings. And it's amazing because Anakin, it was struggling with the same thing. He was struggling with the same like I'm getting no help, exact, no help at all, And he was like, I'm supposed to be a Jedi, but I feel like I need to be caring about this stuff too. He just let his resentment, his fear, his anger get the better of him, and he went all the way into the deep end with
it, all the way to the dark. Whereas Luke saw what his father became, he saw the example of the thing that he did not want to be, which it's interesting, it's a parallel to generational trauma. A lot of us grow up with, well, I don't say us, I don't have a fucked up dad. I love you, Dad, You're the best. But you know, sometimes you have a father and they are not always an example of what you think a good father should be, or an example
like a good positive role model. Luke saw his father as the thing he did not want to become, and he saw his shortcomings. He felt the good invader, he felt his intentions, and he made the connection of where
Vader fell short, so he was able to find the right balance. It's like the new way, like letting go of the old dogma and going forward with the knowledge, but also like you know, still having the compassion for his Yeah, I love that father analogy too, because it's like, I don't think anyone has a perfect father, nobody, no, especially We've talked about it a lot. That's true. That's true. We've talked about it
a lot. And it's like if you could be if you just be a little bit better, if you be everything your dad is and a little bit better, then you're doing good. Absolutely, you know what I mean, Like if you you learn from the wrongs, Yes, and Luke learned from the wrongs. He was having the same internal struggle as his father, and he knew that. He recognized that, he knew that that's what led Anakin to the dark side, and so he had all he had to do was
make one little course correction, one little thing. Anakin did all the groundwork for him. It was supposed to happen, right, That's why it was supposed to happen, so that when Luke finally came around, he had an example of what not to be and how not to slip into that seductive dark side path, and everything became balanced. Really really cool ritual symbolism when when you look at like ancient mystery traditions that would have rituals, you know that
are like reenactments of the great Mystery. They have colors and it's usually white, red and black and white. It's the color you usually see it on like, you know, you think about it in modern recognizable terms. Who wears white abride? Right, It's the symbolism of purity in a sense. But you know, in ritual symbolism, it's like you're pure, you are
you are ignorant to the knowledge of the great mystery. So when neophytes would appear, I've been through a fraternity ritual which was like silly, you know, I was eighteen years old. I didn't know what I was getting into. They were those togas. You know, you always see it when when when people enter into these mystery systems, you wear white. It's innocence, it's purity, and then there's red. You know, you see, like
red robes would symbolize like descending into the mystery. It's often depicted as like the blood spilled from sacrifice, but it's symbolic of like doing the work, the transformation. It could be the fire, the alchemical fire that's transforming you. But then also in this in this ritual color symbology, you have the color black, which is usually worn by the initiated masters. You see depictions of you know, you can go look up old photographs depicting the mysteries rituals
where the the ones dispensing the mystery, where black robes. Even in our fraternity, which was modeled on Freemasons, just like that. And it's funny because in episode four, Luke is wearing white. He's this innocent little kid, and then in Return of the Jedi, motherfucker rolls up in a black all suit, all black head and he's he's the Master. It's the Return of the Jedi Master. It's I mean, I mean, it's just cool. And we talked about my white shirts ever on the show. So if
you guys notice, you guys change. We record three in one day, and you guys change between each episode to give some sort of illusion. So I said, you know, I'm not going to pack three shirts every time we come records. So I'm just gonna wear white shirts every time except for one time. And if you can find that episode and if you comment which episode it is, I'll like give you a high five or something. So I wear white every show, and wearing white allows you to give off your
vibration easier, but also receive vibrations. You are receptive to energy, So if you walk in a room and everybody's happy and you're wearing white, you are like, it's easier for you to accept that energy. Same thing with if they're feeling bad, which is why you wear black to a funeral, because black guards your own. You are not accepting other people's energy. Wearing black, you are guarding your energy, whereas white as passive when it comes
to energy and being around people. But basically you're saying you're like a pure little dumb idiot that doesn't know the ways of the mystery traditions. Yes, kid, which is why I love your every week and I take notes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's cool though, right, A fantastic freaking job, you beautiful man. You You'll notice in a lot of movies that have like mythological symbolism, the person is like wearing white by the end the world black. Yeah, yeah, you totally. It's cool.
Even in even in uh Bro, when we first see Anakin, he's wearing his like little dirty white clothes and then in episode three he's all, well he's Darth Vader. He's all black. I love that kid, Anakin. I love that kid. Yeah, you know the true story behind that kid? Do we not watch it? It's very kid, not the character, the actor. It's very Yeah, it's it's terrible. He got like unrelentingly bullied in her rast. You know, you're a terrible actor. That movie
sucked, like going to school and like do he it was? It's there. You should look it up. He has like he it like ruined his life well and it and it could have been as a result of this or not. But since then he's like been diagnosed with schizophrenia, like yeah, yeah, and even he has said in interviews like, yeah, I think it was really traumatic for me and it it messed something up like in my head and for a long time, which I I've seen things lately that he's
finally doing better now. And dude, because I watched it, same yeah, same thing happened with the actor who played jar Jar Binks. He he got so much hate that he was you know, he was like and then they said, after episode one, we got to scale this back. I did too. I had a jar Jar Binks sleeping bag as a Key's funny. Dude, he's hilarious. I'm shamed to admit that three four, five,
and six, I like I thought three po was annoying. What yeah, you He's just he's just a nerd man, Like he's just like scared of everything he knows. But isn't that like a real personality that I should like potentially exist in a group of people want to I want to back myself. Isn't that a real kind of person I'm gonna back myself up. They did such a phenomenal job with the droids. Yes, what they're thinking, what they're feeling, They convey emotion. There are peoples and sounds. Yeah
yeah yeah. And I'm struggling because for a long time I had the mando mentality of no droids. Oh yeah, So I'm kind of on the fence about that because like, R two phenomenal piece of equipment. Oh yeah, are two, but they're people and they're not just aqui. What do you think about episode three when are two straight up scrapped those two Super Battle droids? Remember he like poured oil and then said he just straight up scrapped him. I liked when he broke him out of They said aren't you now and
he like shocked a bunch of Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Art is a little badass. Yeah well, I mean he shoots Luke's lightsaber Adam in episode six. Yep, And I love I love how the droids came into Luke's life. Oh yeah, like that was beautifully Now it's fate, it was, well, destiny, it was. Yeah, the destiny is fate. Fate is when you come face to face with your destiny. In that moment.
Yeah, like it would be fate that you know, it's my destiny to do X y Z. But fate is when I step off the train and so and so is right there face to face with me, helping me fulfill my squares, the same thing. They go hand in hand. Yeah, you know. Yeah, Hey, guys, I think we did it. That was amazing. No more questions for me, I mean you got anything. Who's your favorite character and why is it? Pad me? Well, it's not Fay badman. It's just my favorite character, my favorite character.
Like ultimately, if I had to choose it, would it's gotta be Yoda. Like Yoda, it's Yoda, like he's he's the best. But also, like like I said earlier, Darth Vader is legitimately the best written villain of all time, the people's villain. And I have like and I love Anakin and I love watching Anakin, but like when Darth Vaders in that full suit bruh, and it's James Earl Jones talking, let's move fasta by the way, yeah, the Lion King. It's dope. Anyway, shout
out to all the moms. You just shout out who didn't answer you're playing with your lights, says I've never been able to decide my entire life between Obi Wan and Luke. It's one of those two. I just I can't commit. I mean, they're they're both like truly incredible characters. Obi Wan is ride up there for me. I mean, he's one of the best Jedi that ever lived. Without him, it would have never And also,
let's get the record straight. Obi Wan never lost everyt to Anakin, to anyone really well, he lost a couple, like to Douku in episode two, right, yeah, but he never lost to Anakin when when they fought an episode four, he let him win. He and and hey, Alex, you watched that Obi Wan show. You'll get to see him fight again. Yeah, you'll get you'll get to see them fight again. If you don't want to commit to you know, six episodes or whatever, at least
watched the fight. Super it is. It is super cut, wrenching. Yeah it is. It's amazing. I cried like a baby. They got Hayden Christenson back just for that. They did, Yes, yes, dude. And they even show flashbacks in it of him when he had like his Padawan braid. And it's Hayden Christiansen's he's older dude, and he's about to be in the Asoka Show that I think that just came out. I think it's out that this morning. Hayden Christensen's in it. That's awesome. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I'm so glad we got to do this. Me too. This was so awesome And everybody, every single one of our listeners. I have a call to action for you now. I need you all to reach out to Alex through any forms. Could be the comments, it could be the comments, it could be, it could be anywhere, and tell him that next we're doing Lord of the Rings because Alex has never seen Lord of the Rings and we have to do this same thing with Lord of
the Rings. So can't wait for that. You guys all look forward to it. It's gonna happen coming soon next year or two. Yes, that's fine, that's fine. We'll wait, we will wait. We'll happily wait. Those movies are hype. Alex has no clue, dude, just like the raw masculine between millions of troops, like big, badass muscle dudes with swords. But that is al h. I know Alex is the Lord of the Yeah, the cave trolls and the yeah dude, it's it's we're gonna
do that. We're gonna do that. Thank you in advance, Alex for agreeing to it. All right, let's get out of here. May the Force be with you all. May the force and remember, luminous beings? Are we not this crude matter? Ready? Three? Two one by Weird Things happened in the backyard Blitzo House. Yeah over, I got so weird, kind of closer to her, like filing on the inside of it. No one knows. Wow, come, I never did ever Sie begetting heavy