109: What If? Vol. 12

Weird things happened in the backyards. Weird, weird, weird. Wow, Wow, that was a high. Yeah, and Angela, y'all know what it is. You thought a title, it's another what if up in here? And we are joined by a very special guest, A very special guest and a little brother but not little in size, but only because of age to a previous guest. I think he is one inch taller than me. I feel like you taller minimum, there's no chance, pretty, How tall are you? Six foot no five? Really? Yeah? You just looked

tall. I think I'm five ten. We need to do it. I thought you were a little shorter than me though, Like you guys were good. We're probably go back. This is Lee Smith. Everybody Smith. Ye'll heard of me before at least a couple of times. Yea, even Deli on reference in episode eleven or something. We've definitely and you're all up in the discord too. This is obviously Ryan's cousin and uh my good buddy, good buddy. Yeah, and I live super close to you now, so

we can play lots of board games. It's can be lit, but today were hitting him jews, you know what I'm like, Jewels we we blasted out a couple of days ago, and we wanted a ton of fresh, brand new submissions. Might be a couple of old ones mixed in here, but y'all know how this goes. We're gonna draw from these jars, you guys, is submissions for what if questions, and we're just gonna spit. You know what I'm saying, Let's hand it to leave For the first one,

We'll just go this way. Do we want to start with a and I did put in a what if? Okay, well let's start with that one. It's in his head. No, no, I had it on tap. I tried to. I try to put it in and it got buried. All good, real quick. For everybody out there curious, we have a discord that you access through our Patreon, Patreon, dot com slash blitz, I said, so, and look at this. We have a special pretty jar that all of our submissions from that exclusive discord go into.

So wait a minute, let's let's just go into this really quick. We did actually just have a breakthrough discovery last night that we are very soon going to be introducing a new segment to the show where we're gonna be doing like a deeper dive into the spiritual sciences. Yeah. So in addition to doing regular what if series, we want to get into like a spirit science series. Yeah, so keep your out for that. It's gonna be you're at science every few episodes. It'll be fun. Yeah, it'll be fun.

Do you remember the submission that you Yeah, you do, let's do that one. I mean it's I don't know. I thought it was fun because you're not super keen on the disclosure currently running through, especially like the exotic materials. But my what if was what if the exotic materials were the ones that your dad touched and lost like his vision and it had a profound electronic resonation with him. What if it was actually the materials they were like the

what are the quasi crystals? Yes, yeah, well there was that they were that that those like the the exotic meta materials that they have are exactly the same. I mean they have more, yeah, you know, but that's what we touched in the story, you know. Okay, okay, and remind me again, I don't remember exactly what the quasi crystal is supposed to be. Is it some sort of like physical manifestation of energy from from

like a higher realm. Let's just look it up. Yeah, I mean you also did describe like you had said that you've seen things drip physically off of orbs. I hadn't seen that, my dad. Oh sure, sure, but that you know that kind of you know what if a quasi crystal or a quasi periodic crystal is a structure that is ordered but not periodic.

It can continuously fill all available space, but it lacks translational symmetry, while crystals, according to classic crystallographic restriction theorem, can only assess two, three, four, and sixfold rotational symmetries the brag diffraction whatever that means. Dude, in my right, I've never heard of that the brag diffraction pattern of quasi crystal shows sharp peaks with other symmetry orders, for instance fivefold. And

this is just Wikipedia. I mean, I I don't know exactly they're They're not normal crystal instructures. Sure, it was the theory that they were some kind of physical manifestation from another realm, though, or something along those lines. I mean that's what I think. Like sure, like maybe it's like a bread crumb. You can see the pictures here of quasi crystals. They have these insane like at the molecular level, you know, scre geometry.

Yeah, pretty much wild, very very This just looks like how like you'll see people depict the fourth dimension in like two D fields, you know what I mean. Quasi I found Yeah, I mean, I just found an article on mature dot com Quasi crystals. The Thrill of the Chase. Uh Sharon Glots or shout out Sharon, whoever you are, enjoys a riveting tale of daring do in material science second kind of impossible, the extraordinary quest for

a new form of matter. So quasi crystals are not normal. They're very rare formation in nature, very very special, and I mean you guys can look more into it later, but yeah, it was it was explained to us that the meta materials that we were handling were quasi crystal and instructure yea. And they kind of insinuated that it had like awakening like properties when you come into contact with it. It was like, watch your dreams be aware

of you know, a shift and perspective and things like that. And he was like, he being Tim, you know, Tim Taylor. He was like, you know the fact that your body's had this reaction is proof to us that you guys have come face to face with some sort of interdimensional entity. Okay, So yeah, I mean I hope that answers the question, right, because when he touched it, it was like a vibration. Yeah, like he visibly, Well I touched it. It was that did I

just felt like electricity moved through my body. It wasn't harmful. Jenny also she didn't feel it, Okay, she held them, she didn't feel anything. Because I think it's good he hadn't had any We'd only been together for like two months. She hadn't experienced anything for like two years. It took two years in our relationship. It would be really she touched them later.

And also they all haven't touched him again, have you. Okay, So that would be interesting to see if she touched if that was something they could get back into contact with. Yeah, yeah, that would be cool. So I love that question, thank you. Yeah, it's cool. Okay, So we're gonna count that one as a Patreon Day one. I appreciate one, all right, So let's put from the regular regular What if jar you want to do the honors? Oh? Sure, sure, draw it

out of there. So for the for future reference if you guys want to submit one of these what if prompts for us to discuss. Best place to do that is probably where where where would be the best place for them to

do that? Well, especially leading up to when we do these episodes, and it's it's not like we have a fixed schedule for these, but like I usually drop a line on like Twitter, I just did it on my Instagram story, which we got a lot of questions off that we do it in obviously the discords there's a full time, dedicated page, dedicated page what if submissions where people round the clock put them in there. We get a ton some really good ones, but I mean, yeah, it's usually like

just look out for a post when we're gonna do it. It's like a comment below kind of thing, because it's a little too much. We do get a lot of people randomly messaging them to us. But dude, like we have like, yeah, I'm running like three social media's minimum and you guys have all your own, and we're getting dimmed across all of these social

media's. They get buried. It's like it's a little too hard. So the best thing to do is keep your eye out on the bledsoets So socials will put a post when we're getting ready for what if, and you comment below or mine or my personal rhyme bledso because I you know, my wife usually runs the bleds of sets one and I hop a mind and it has a little bit more of a following anyway, So I'm like more people, more questions, you know what I mean? So all right, let's do

it. What's that one? All right? So this one, it doesn't have a name, that's just an unlisted what if the giant ball of light the being showed Chris was a second son orbiting our solar system? I just wrote that. I accidentally cut the name. Okay, I'm gonna find it. Okay, I just wrote that down one more time. Yeah, okay, okay, what if the giant ball of light the being showed Chris was a second son orbiting our solar system. That's a wild question. That's a

really wild. Feels like Star Wars drums every episode. It's too fresh from the beginning. So this is Dharma Crumbs on Instagram. Thank you, Dharma Crumbs, thank you. So I do I do want to The original question said the ball the giant ball like the half or showed Chris. That's not quite how it happened. It was the beings, it was my dad didn't see the lady until twenty and twelve. This was shown him in two thousand and seven. I've often wondered that, like, what is this thing?

I mean, we've been talking about us as two thousand and seven or more like two thousand and eight when he had his regression, and he and I have talked about it for many years. Like I remember when I was younger. Do you remember when we were in high school and I got really into the nibberous stuff because everybody was talking about twelve twenty twelve, and it was it was everywhere in like kind of like underground alien, right right? And

I heard that from Chris for sure. Yeah, it was very and like I don't buy that stuff anymore. I mean that it was it was natural that we would study that in the beginning, because what material did we have out there to understand what we were going through? But like they had this theory that there was a tenth planet it's an orbit, and I was like,

what if it's gone? But no, what I really think it is is Dad's like it could be the Sun. It could actually be the Son and they're just showing him the Son, or it could be like, you know, these these orbs are like different consciousnesses. You know, we know this, like the beings travel through the orbs and and and they've even indicated that when we die, our spirit goes into these orbs and they go back

to the spirit world. I often wondered what if that was some form of godlike consciousness, Like you know, if there was some real energetic manifestation of a God force. That's that's how I visualize it would be like just like a big version of an orb. Yeah, like like a star, because

it's it's more it's it's more significant energy. Yeah. Yeah, And you've even talked about how like the Son is potentially like the kind of like father entity that you know, other entities come from, or maybe scientifically it is, right, you know. Yeah, So I mean that would be that

would be pretty crazy. If I feel like, I don't know, I feel like I lean more towards them showing him that as a representation of the Sun. To drive home it's significance, that's what That's what that's kind of thinking lately, like it might actually just be the Sun. They didn't say exactly what it was, right, it was just a large like golden, you know, yellowish whatever sphere of light up space. I mean the immediate

human association with a giant sphere of light is the Sun. Yeah. And there's also like countless other stories and other like UFO type encounters where they see like a portal and there's an additional sky in the sky. And you know what if it was that kind of situation too, where it was another portal to another sun type thing, like a different sun. So who said portal in the sun? My dad, Yeah, Neil Young, Yeah, right, but the into He's indicated to my dad that they do travel through a

portal in the sun. Yeah, that there are some entities that come from there. So I think it's a realm. It's like like if if we if we at this point in evolution, we are material. We're part God, part physical normal human, you know what I mean. We're truly hybrids in the sense that like our mother and my understanding of things, our mother is this material realm. We're born in her womb, We're born in earth,

we're born through the water. But also water is mostly earth, and you know, you think about duality in yang, you have the material and the spiritual you have. The light in the dark doesn't necessarily mean the darkest evil. It's just like the absence of the light or illumination. I tend to think of it like we're part God in the sense that our mother is this physical world, and we have a body that is physical, but then our father is the spiritual world too, and we have a soul that is

spiritual. And it's like, if we're ascending to next level of consciousness throughout the AONs, it makes sense that we would go to another realm. Maybe that's where we go from here. When we all collectively awaken, it's like, poof, the next game is in that reality over there. That's a big ball of light. And now you know, that's just kind of how I think about it. But now I see that we you know, if the evolution of consciousness is true, we can't stay here in the material plane

forever. That's not how evolution works. It's too limiting, right, it's too limit Like we like we were talking, you know, like our our consciousness will outgrow our body, right you know, so we yeah, that that is the logical conclusion. Like Akira like the Jedi, like so many other things in pop culture. It's like, eventually, I think it's a metaphor for what actually happens to the collective human race, like eventually we will

grow past the need for being limited in a material body facts. Let's do another one. Heck, yeah, thank you, Yes, thank you, Yes, great question. Going back to armacroms Okay, this is a cool and this is back to the discord jar and we are thinking Sean Davis man, Sean Davis smash. Hey, Sean Davis has a sick metal band, sick metal band. Let me let me verify the name on that. I'm so bad with names. Thank you so much, Sean. Uh, keep

on making that music. Abstract forms, abstract forms, It's incredible. He writes all the guitar for it. Yes, and it's a smash that dude writes sick riff. It's like our kind of mut like genti metal like heavier stuff stuff. And this is a cool question. Question is what if the universe is the result of energies or primordial entities communicating with one another, Like what if this realm that we are in is a consequence of spoken word creating.

Yes, like some sort of communication happening. Well, I mean it's it seems just naturally true, you know what I mean, Like I can't I can't sit here and tell you I don't believe any of that. Yeah, because what we talk about. An interesting thing that has for some reason been coming up a lot lately is when we talk with people about like what are these entities? You know, I usually say, like, well, think of like Buddhism. When you reach enlightenment, you become a little Buddha,

which is like one of those little orbs or whatever. But then a lot of times people will be like, Okay, well what does that mean the lady is or what does that mean? Like some of these bigger, more significant entities are they would be the primordial energies. That's what I'm seeing, the original archetypal energies. It's like they yeah we come from yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like it's so hard to explain. But the way I see it is like it's like a reflection of a concept in

this realm. Like if you know, the Lady was a reflection of the concept of like love and compassion, right, So that concept has always existed, right, it had to have always existed from the very beginning. And to add to this, now we're getting into Plato, how he had a whole theory called the theory of forms, and that was his theory. The form being truth, goodness, even numbers, love, those things that we know and we all agree means something. Plato was like, well, no,

they have a form and another reality. They have a soul that is as real as you and me. That sounds like the Greek gods. That sounds like like mythological gods. You think about it. In Greek mythology, every god is like the reason for something in the physical realm existing. Right, they're just using they're telling a story with them. But and you know, when you get down into it esoterically, they're just like primordial forces of nature, exactly like the Egyptians. Yeah, and so yeah, I think

in a cool absct way. I mean, it's really hard to pin your mind down to that concept because it's so abstract. Yeah, but I think Sean, I think you're kind of hitting it right on the head. Like it. I think that's what this realm inherently is, is those those primordial

ever present like energies communicating and this is the consequence of it all. Well, it's like most major religions around the world have some sort of description in their texts this like first there was the word or like it's Brahma saying om or, and then in the Bible it's like, first there was the word, and then there was first I don't remember how it goes. And John, it's like the word, and the word was God, the word was

with God. It's always this symbolism of the God force speaking. But you know, to me, that sounds like vibration and frequency, you know what I mean. Yeah, so it also sounds like uh, Skyrim like shouts,

yeah exactly. But but but that's a deeper question too, because it's like, are they kind of subtly hinted you think about Skyrim, it's like they have this ancient dragon language that only people with a certain level of development in their soul, who have incarnated with a certain ability, can speak and

summon the power of this language. To me, it sounds like the Twilight language, which is the concept that there was an original language before the Tower of Babel incident, where we all had one language that it's called the Twilight language, you know. And some people are like, was it Latin was a Sanskrit was it? You know, they don't know, but that goes hard. Yeah, good question. That was a really good one. Ryan's turn. All right, we're pulling from the O g jar I like switching

back and forth. Yeah, yeah, picking up what you're putting down. Oh, this a long one. Yeah. Did you write in the purple pin? So it's twitter? At no at Sean, let me try to read this correctly, at Sean Fazlet, does that sound something it did? Have about that spell let? Yeah? What the heck, Sean Fazlet? What if time is happening simultaneously and the only difference is that different times you're just vibrating a slightly different frequency. I'm guessing you put a period to abbreviate,

yes, a slightly different frequency. Ghosts or people in the pastor future runs in the hours. I've heard that before. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like the timeline idea, everything's running simultaneously. But to me that also reads like because obviously, you know, Abraham Lincoln is alive, but he's the most popular ghost ever. You know, he boots on in the White House. I don't imagine he's still doing that. So I could see

wheld that be like a timeline splice situation. If you view it like in a tree, it travels up the tree first and then it just stays. That kind of thing. That's kind of how I imagine it. I visualized

it that way. I think about it, like I think a really wonderful visual representation of this concept is Believe it or Not the Snyder Justice League, because it's the scene when the Flash is running through the speed Force and there's this monologue going on in his head and while he's running through the speed force, he's like rewriting reality and he says something to the I haven't seen it since the Snyder cut came out years ago, but it was something to the

effect of, like, you know, you can change the past, you can change the future. Be here now, you know, And like it didn't go into much more description than that, but I thought it was cool how it was like he was changing how he viewed the past, he was changing the outcome he wanted for the future, but he was focused on being here right now. I'm making the right choice, and the karmic consequences unfolding to alter the future. But then the other symbolism, which is a little

bit more ancient. That makes me like really think deeply about the concept is Odin and his ravens, because they represent thought, which is the future, and memory, which is the past. And I think that's some sort of you can crack the door, Alex, my cat's going on, come on, come on, and she loves joining the podcast. Yeah, and you know what, if you even think about it from a scientific perspective, a lot of scientists describe time as like this spaghetti ball. Yeah, it's a

locust. It's a locus of reality. And this is just my interpretation. We are always presently experiencing a locus of reality. We're truly the only thing that's real is right now, because dude, I mean not a two my own horn. I'm just like I'm literally turning thirty in two days, you know, and it's a weird feeling, like turning thirty, crossing this hump, and I'm thinking a lot about the past, you know what I mean,

entering a new decade, and I'm so excited. I'm like so ready, But it's like nothing that happened to me in the past is real, right or you or anyone, because like what's only real is happening now, and like, I'm finding myself altering now, especially with the release of Beyond Skinwalker Ranch the finale, I'm finding myself internally witnessing a change and how I

even react to events that unfolded in my past. Whereas I used to be so depressed and suppressed and I mean, you know, suffering and all this and all that that I've talked about a million times, now I find myself just smiling, you know what I mean. And it's like you truly can change the past. Yeah, but it happens now, and it happens with your perspective, and changing the future so much easier. Oh yeah, you know, because all you gotta do is just stop worrying. You're in control

of it. Yeah. That's that's ancient ancient wisdom, right like gurus and like they teach, the only thing that exists is right now, right now. Yeah, you have no clue what's going to happen two seconds from now, And things that happened two seconds ago aren't happening right now. They don't exist anymore. The only thing that exists is literally the fraction of a second

that you are constantly experienced right now. Yeah. I think about it like I think about it, like the ultimate God consciousness is like this just omniscient, being truly omniscient, meaning every every spec that's like a little piece of dust on the little you know, backflab of every atom that gets up and

goes to work every day to like mingle with other electrons and protons. You see what I'm saying, Like kind of like you know, atoms are they're like us, they have jobs and cells, and you know they're they're like they're like conscious beings in some level. I'm being facetious, you know. I feel like the God consciousness is through every single particle of reality, through

every subparticle, is observing every event. But it's like there's this camera rolling that's like the live feed is recording everything that's presently happening now, and like we're the dummies. Not it's actually brilliant that we do this. We're the one writing all this stuff down. Yea a thousand years ago, you know

what I mean? Awareness right, yes, that awareness is only ever always right now, and we're so stuck on everything back then and it's like, oh, dude, I didn't study from my test tomorrow, Like I'm freaking out. I'm freaking did I studied the morning of Yeah, but I just stayed up. But I'm just saying, like we didn't study, we observe. We observe this past and future thing, right, you know it's exclusive to us, It's exclusively like a human experience. Yeah, I don't even

know that. Most animals do do that. I mean they have they have memories. For sure, they experienced trauma the same way, but in it they handle it better than we do. Like, you know, we won't like if we get hit, it'll traumatize us for twenty years, but at a certain point, animals will get they'll get conditioned, but they'll like they'll grow. Yeah, we have a seven second memory. A gold literally forgets everything every seven second. Well, yeah, like we should be like goldfish.

Some some ted lasso stuff. But we have to acknowledge the past to move forward to though you can acknowledge it without attaching any emotion to it, that I think sure, I think that is the significant thing because may oftentimes it is vital to acknowledge the past, especially you have to grow, especially like mistakes you've made or things you wish to grow from. Like it's not always a bad thing to look back or even look forward, but you just

have to approach it with a level of detachment and peace. That really matters is now exactly enjoy now. Yeah, And if you have to transmute your past in order to enjoy now, then handle that accordingly with no attachment to it. Just know that right now you're different. Every second of every day, you are different than you've ever been. When you improve yourself now, the past and the future improve as well. Like it, It's weird.

It's like, it's like the thing that truly matters the most is just every day waking up and just trying to be better. When I say be better, it's like, you know, try to be nicer, try to be kinder, more compassionate, more compassionate. And the way that that relate healthier. Yeah, the way that like compassion, for instance, I think it's one of the most important things in existence. And when you work on yourself in the current and allow yourself to be more compassionate, you will treat your

past experiences with compassion, yeah, and potentially heal from those things. Ideally you hopefully, Yeah, I mean, like you know, you hold onto baggage from mistakes you made or from ways that you acted or whatever. But then if you learn compassion today, that has the potential to heal and forgive yourself for things that happened in the past. And I love the way that you put it, like focusing on yourself now, healing yourself now, heals

your past and future self. Right, that's that's that's what's working for me. Yeah, you know me too, Like that's facts. That's also all you can do. Yeah, yeah, facts pretty much for sure. You want to hit us with another Star Wars reference, Alex, if it hits me, all right, we'll not hold back. Yeah, Lee's gonna do another Patron Yeah, Patreon Submichine all right, this one, this one's bike K four two D Kyle, No, no, no, shout out, Kyle. I can't believe it actually got pulled two No, what if Nick

really is better looking than Alex? Now okay, hold on he is? No, no, no, that's a big one. Quick cover your face, was Kyle? Yes, I want to mass yes, yes, yes, yes. I want to make this very clear. I was the one that was doing the discord submissions and I read that and was like ha ha,

and Ryan and Alex forced me basically right gun point. But you know why Why Because I wanted to have a moment to talk about how amazing the people are in the discord, and they just like and there's inside jokes brewing in there, and it's like I felt like that had to be read almost Also, like, why do you get to give yourself a pedestal? How often do you get to think about yourself positively? Well? I think about myself positively all the time. These days. I'm very compassionate towards myself.

But like externally, like that feels so icky to me. Yeah, I was like, I don't want to write that. I don't talk about this on the show, and now we're doing it. Embrace the dark side, Yeah, embrace do it. It feels great. Just let it happen. Yeah. And for the record, it's not true. Alex is the hot Alex is the heart throb of the show and he always will be. Look, just because you can't change the narrative doesn't mean you can't support additional claims.

That's kind of like this is I'm describing is al it's in the box. Can't you consider getting out of it? Yeah, I'm seating the narrative. Okay, real question, next, what'd you say, Ryan's seating the narrative so it gets to him next. It's another your real motive. That's your real motive. He wants to be recognized. Where am I at man? And where am I am I on the bottom? Kyle? Time for

another one? If all right? So this one's by Cliff. This is another patron What if death is how our minds fold back into the consciousness of the universe. I mean that just seems like the natural order. Cliff's been on the show, by the way, Yeah, yeah, love Cliff, Thanks for the submission. What if death is how we fold back into the consciousness of the universe. I mean, it's like it makes sense to me.

It's it just seems like the answer the Yeah, the beings told my dad when we die, we become as they are, We go into an orb and we return to the eternal world is what they called it. They didn't say the spirit world. They call it the eternal world. But I think that the I have noticed that the entities have very carefully chosen language that has a universal meaning that's not polarizing, you know, So it's not like spirit world. There's you could attach fear to it, like you're a spirit

and when you die, your spirit passes on. And I could totally see that being scary to any like to someone like, you know, it could be scary, and the eternal world that there's just no that sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, it sounds positive. It sounds like you can't avoid

you know. I heard something from I think it. I think it might have been Joe Rogan, but he was talking about d MT and he like he had read somewhere that there's this theory that potentially DMT is like the chemical that allows the wherever the consciousness or the soul is being stored, word, it allows it a path the portal opens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that realm to to re emerge with that consciousness and so like consuming it in

our like you know, while we're still alive. It gives us potentially like a glimpse into that realm, but like death would be like the big glimpse and like you're you really fully take that path, no turning back, and you shoot off into that other realm, you know, which would be the collective consciousness. I've got a question for you, guys, yeah, all of you, okay, Yeah, is the fact that this existence that is the fact that this existence will come to an end scarier than the thought of

eternity for me. Yes, uh okay, so you're saying, for you, you're you're more afraid that life is finite or you're more afraid that it's forever. Well, I'm enjoying life. I'm trying to enjoy life, you know, as much as everyone can. And you know, sometimes you feel like you're late to that. And right now I'm I'm starting to release some of that, you know, not so much enjoyment. I'm trying to like really move forward into enjoying life. And I feel like I'm a little late.

So it's a little spooky. But like when I'm seventy, I'm not gonna care, total honestly and full disclosure. Like for probably the majority of my life I felt the same way, Like I like life, life is dope like and you know, I would say I was also kind of late to the game with like fully embracing and enjoying life and like in a healthy positive way. But you know what, man, I have had more comfort with these like esoteric concepts and these mystical descriptions of death in the afterlife.

I have found infinitely more comfort in these few years that I've been studying that than I ever got from Christianity. It's I was thinking the same thing. It's because you feel it to be true. I do you know it to be true? Right? Yeah? The truth resonates, it really does. Yeah. And and once I like just started exclusively following my intuition, like I feel like I have a really good meter for the things that like ring true with me. Like it's like I've honed it to where almost I almost

immediately I have a feeling like that's true. That's not true. That's how it is. That's not how it is. But like you know, to me, the like exoteric description of like death in the afterlife was always what's the best word incomplete? Yeah, scary, illogical. It didn't make it didn't make sense to me, did not make sense. I've I always felt a little bit confused. And that's why I like I I was a practicing Christian. There's still I definitely I well, let's make it very clear really

quick that yeah, and I went to the same church. Yeah yeah, so whatever conditions I was raised under him too. I respect a lot of the ideas, a lot of it there, I mean every I think everywhere, every religion, no matter what it is, and it's good. That's good. Yeah, Otherwise people wouldn't still be exactly and they wouldn't be so widespread. There's those them in all traditions. Yeah, yeah, so I

kind of, I totally I relate with that for sure. It definitely feels because you can take anything you want with you from any like belief system. So I kind of, yeah, I get that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's one of the major problems I have with like organized religion and or exoteric religion is that most of them say, like, all right, so you're reading this book, which means like you have to take every single word as truth and you can't pick the things that you like and go to other

places and find other things you like. It's just this It's just this one. It's the secrets of the whole universe, dude. Yeah, you know, according to that religion, you got to stay in this box. And it's like, well, I mean what if I read the bagavad Gida and a lot of that resonates with me, and I feel like a lot of that's true, is like, am I bad for that? You know what I mean? Yeah, I think the core problem is you never feel comfortable

to ask questions. Yeah, and if you ask questions, you just sound dismissive. I think that's where a lot of our like shared trauma comes from. We can't we're not allowed to ask because it's it's usually brought with like negative response, like you're not trusting it well enough. Yeah, I don't have enough faith in you if you have questions exactly, Yeah, you shouldn't

even be thinking that. Yeah. Yeah, but like especially with the way, I mean, we were all Christian here mainly you went to the same church you you went, it wasn't our church, but it's still a Christian church church a few times, yeah, for sure. The point is the belief is inherently the same. The book is the same. Yeah, the book. All these different groups just have different idea is about it. But like even as a kid, I would sit there and I wouldn't ask this,

you know what I mean, because we know better. But I would think, like, well, what about the kid in Africa or or or you know, there's a hero desert? This is always the amazon who never heard about Christ? Like is he gonna go to Hell forever? Typically the response I would get and I didn't ask this question to afraid, but I've had people ask around that question, and typically it's one of those like, well, they should know or they should intuitively understand that they are they come

from something above, and that's very flawed. Always I was always told by people like the same thing always, which is they should know? Which is that? Well? No, I was actually told by like everyone growing up that every soul on this planet will at some point hear about it, hear about it. That the answer, And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, what about a nine month old baby who dies of cancer? Well, they actually, actually they do. There's a point where the innocence is broken.

This is what I've always been told and understood it when I was They're like it's around eight. Yeah, yeah, the innocence gets broken. That's when they're sinful. You know, it's weird. That's Catholic. Yeah, that's Catholic. But like if like, you know, if you have a miscarriage, Yeah, they don't go to hell because obviously they according to Catholics, really yes, yes. The Catholic ritual and belief system is like you are literally born in a sinful state and you must be saved through baptism.

Defecating is sinful, it's pure. That's Judaism, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah they have they have a prayer about it. It might be yes, no, it's not. On the on the Catholic side, you're literally baptized as a baby, baby child, right, and your response ability to go to confession every time you sin or on a weekly basis, and so you're you're forgiven of your original sin, which is what you're born with at baptism, and then it's on you from that point to absolve your

own sins. This suck, bro, Like your soul is born beauty and evil. So that yeah, you guys know this. But I went to Catholic school, so came through five. I'm in I'm in Catholic school learning Catholicism, you know whatever. But I remember we would go on a monthly or bi monthly basis and sit in the hallway and go one by one into the priest's office, yeah, and have confession. But it wasn't like behind a screen. It was just as I'm sitting here looking at you guys.

You're sitting there looking at the priests, and I'm going, yeah, I talked back to my mom and I hit my brother and I paused certain scenes and animals. Actually just just watched The Animal House for the first time. He's talked about it the other day. I didn't get video back in the days we have VHS takes. It's like pause, I don't know how it happened. That's actually the first technology I think I learned how to interface with so VHS. Nice. If I may ask, does Catholicism have things with

miscarriage? Is there is there any I wouldn't know. I didn't look into it. That's not what they taught. Yeah, but yeah, no. My general point too, is like yeah, I never thought it made sense. And also like when you get into the biblical description of life after death, like no, cap it's just very confusing. It's like, okay, so there's one reference by Jesus that just talks about a place that's weeping and nashing of teeth. Okay, so what's he talking about? I don't know.

And then there's a future part written by somebody who's not Jesus and was written many decades after he died, and it was like you'll go to a lake of fire and burn and eternal talk. Yeah, yeah, okay, but then there's also a part and like either Thessalonians or Revelations, this like when you're dead, you lay in your grave until the final judgment day,

which is like experienced by the collective. So all the trains and souls that have died before us, their ghost is supposedly just laying asleep in the grave. Jesus also went to get the keys to heaven, and it's three days. So no, according supposedly Jesus went to hell for three days. That's what I mean when he went to Hell to get the keys. That's not in the book. That's just part of the doctrine. What it's not in

the book, yo. I mean, there's there's all these ideas that's been around and it's like which, well, well, which one is it? You know, it's like, do you go to heaven when you die like

a lot of people believe, or is it? Like the books, a lot of it's here say, and then there's there's a lot of it's here say, fluffed up like this because of a line that'll be like, you know, the soul's sleep until the final day when when when this you know, you rise from the grave at that final judgment we're all standing in the clouds. So it's like, what I don't none of this gives me comfort. No, you go to you, you ask your pastors. None of

them the same answer. No. Never. Some will tell you there's the one judgment. Some will tell you, well, they're waiting on you in heaven. I don't know according to that. I mean, it's like, are they looking down on me? Or are they waiting? And that's the other thing. They're like, you're supposed to believe every word, right, It's like, how am I supposed to? But every pastor tells a different part of it, So how am I supposed to believe it? Then it's

up to the congregation to identify with that specific pastors description. This is why it's important to to just trust the things that resonate with you, Like you know what I mean, Like I know that these like pastors and deacons and people, they're like, you have to believe every word and whatever. But if you actually sat down and read the Bible, like you would realize there's

a lot of contradiction. I believe that the Bible is loosely following real historical events that have happened, Like I believe, like most of this stuff happened at some point in human history, but the system that published it and as like we are the ones who are, you know, dictating what this means and how you should believe, have kind of like fluffed it up to be like this one true control system. I don't think the Bible is untrue.

I want to clarify that. I just think it's like, you know, look at it as events that have happened, but it's like there's so much more to the mysteries of consciousness in life after death and the soul, and it's like, bro, it's like the only reason people worship Jesus like a god anymore or you know, still to this day. Jesus was literally like, you know, don't worship me. I'm not God. People are falling

in front of his face. Don't worship me, like you don't don't take a rabbi, don't take a master, like just just live like me to

see the face of God. And then there's a scripture I think written by the apostle Paul, which there's controversy behind him, and it's like the only way you can get to heaven is if you say out loud with your mouth that you believe and that you confess that he did this and this and this and this and this, and then this and this and this and this and this happened, and then he did this and this and this and this and this. That's the only way, according to that that you can you can

make it and have for life. It's like, well, wait a minute, but Jesus said something different. But then also the commandments you have to follow as well separate. Well, Jesus said, those are done. Then the only two commandments now is love your neighbor, treat them as you would treat yourself, and love God. But I think that's as above so below, like we all are God. It's like love both. But it's like, you know, inwardly respect your divinity, but also respect the divinity of

everything around you. My big takeaway I don't I don't hate Christianity. I want to make that very clear. Yeah, I love I love christ I love the wisdom. I just think that we're moving forward into a new way of thinking. That's like there is wisdom in all of these systems. Yeah, you know, but let's find the let's find the selection of it all. Yeah, we're at all meats what's the center of the ven diagram called the pisces the best kapiscus back? Yeahs, Yeah, great question, Thanks

Cliff. That was a good one. All right, let's do Ano novel one. Here we go, y'all ready for it is bompompompomp copyright. All right, we got jo Zi nineteen sixty six. There we got you, Jozi. What if gods throughout history are advanced? Are an advanced civilization and our galactic neighborhood who are quote unquote playing god? Yeah, that's like ancient aliens, you know. It's though, Yeah, it's it's it's an interesting question, but I just I don't. I don't. I don't buy it.

That's kind of what the people who are currently talking about, like the whole Nibiru Annunaki that kind of stuff. Like I think the theory is that those Annunaki were like some ancient godlike race who like kind of planted us here for whatever reason to like mind gold or something like some weird these slaves and stuff. Yeah, and then they would come back and take us back and whatever. It's like scientology, it is, Yeah, it is in a way. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, if you thought of it,

that way. I mean, there's just like really specific with the way like souls are planted here and then grow us. It's kind of how scientology is believed. Yeah, like they the it's kind of like a fraction of like a thing gets split and then planted and seeded here and then we grew from that. Well do you realize kind of like the Titans, Well no more kind of like the esoteric truth, but they're poisoning it with like an alien

invasion. Yeah, very what you just described. You literally you literally just described It's kind of like they believe we're a fraction of a thing that was planted here and then we grew. Yeah, it's it's what that is true. Yeah, you know what, it's more literal. I think I think the souls are literal like Pickpen episode. But yeah, when this kind of when that kind of thing comes up, like the we're a fraction of a

thing and whatever, I always point back to scientific principles. This is why we got to do that Spirit science series because like I'm always on it with that kind of stuff. Think about it. A fundamental principle of science is energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can be it can only break off and change change? Can we transform or break off and split up and and do so like that? That's one of the reasons why that resonates with me

is true, because like that makes sense even scientifically. It makes sense if there was some big ball of consciousness in the sky before everything else existed, and it was just like, all right, well this is boring, I'm gonna start breaking off pieces of myself and well, you know, then we can make meaning out of all of this. That makes sense. Well, okay, I'm not gonna say who told me this, but I'm gonna talk about something. I want to stress that I am not endorsing the Mormon religion.

However, just like we talk about there is some wisdom and everything. And I just had a pretty deep chat with with with some some friends who who are pretty in their past, were very involved with Mormonism and like even you know, having family members who are prominent figures in the Mormon church locally

like kind of like head honcho types higher up in it. And also like one of them was a missionary and they might they might be fine if I say, I just figured like why not, you know, keep them anonymous. They were explaining to me that The truth behind the Mormon belief is they actually believe that there was an original God consciousness. And I'm like, you know, like okay, keep going, going please, yes, yeah, that's true, true, and keep going. And they're like, there's this

original God consciousness. It's like the original Light. But in their view the cosmology of the universe and how this is all playing out, that original light or that original God consciousness is is is perfect. Yeah, it's seeking to evolve even further beyond perfection. So it's like, how does it do this.

It does it through us as fractions of this infinite God consciousness. So it just like every you know, the Gnostic mid the hermeticism, all this, all this wisdom and and you know, all this journey of the soul everything we're talking about awakening, the age of Aquarius, the evolution of consciousness. Yeah, I don't I don't know what to call this system, but

it's it's obviously real whatever whatever the wisdom the truth. Yeah, the Mormons even teach it secretly, and it's like it goes so far as to say that our souls are on the micro cause him experiencing this evolution to higher infinities. Because as we are all evolving into higher light beings. Then the over soul or the over god mind is perfecting itself through our perfection. Well that just makes perfect sense to me, because how else is it supposed to evolve?

Right? If it's just if a big ball, right, if it's just up in the sky in the middle of the gray void of nothingness, how is it going to grow and evolve and learn? And like, I don't remember who said it, maybe, oh yeah, I think it was it was CC. Yeah, shout out cc CC. You don't learn in heaven. You know she said, you don't learn in heaven. Pain is

the poor. Pain is the portal. So, like, you have to create an experience that is capable of showing duality and a spectrum of things without everything just being gray in order to actually be able to understand the universe. You can't understand anything in a vacuum of void where there's nothing, just a big blob of gray space. Like, you have to create an experience that

allows you to grow. So break yourself into billions of little pieces, create some little simulation soul, video game, YEA or VR headset or whatever, and learn that way. I couldn't figure out how to move the body. I didn't know how to work the body. I'm crossed up. That was a great one. Fantastic. Let's do another. Ryan's Gold from the Patriots time, y'all come on man Patron dot com. FLA like the what if questions because they're very fun. They are fun. It's always fun. Here

we go. We got Jordy B. What if people we deem psychic are really just people who produce more D than the average person. I think that, Okay, that is a very that's very interesting question. But I have to say, bro, I mean, my dad just did the whole Beyond Skinwalker Ranch experiment and they kind of just like proved the answer to this puzzle is the Theta waves. Day. Yeah, yeah, it's got to be

that. When you first started reading the question, I was thinking like, I don't know about DMT, but I wonder what is the thing in our human bodies that would relate most directly to psychic abilities? And then I immediately thought like, oh, it's statawaves. We just figured that out. Yeah, Like they did brain scans on Chris and while he was doing psychic shit, it was like theatawaves going crazy. Yeah, So like if there is

something in our brains that is causing that stuff to happen. Seems like there's a good chance it's theatawaves. Hold up. What analysis revealed the DMT significantly altered electrical activity in the brain, characterized by a mark drop off in alpha waves the humans brain dominant electrical rhythm when and awake. They also found a short lived increase in brain waves typically associated with dreaming, namely theadeaways. Okay, I was going to spin it with that was hot. What if instead

your influences your creativity? What does like if if you would have more DMT in your head, if it was more you make you more? Hold on? Can you can you break down what you just reps a lot like like explain it like I'm like, basically, when using DMT, there was a short lived spike in fadeawaves. True. True, That's what I was saying to you. So there's a connection contrary to your everyday alpha waves. So

it seems like both are potentially true. It's like, so what they're saying is put him on the EEG but also have him hit Okay, it sounds like the actual source of the psychic abilities is the THEADA waves. But increased levels of DMT increased the theta waves. Yeah, because I mean they couldn't tell if there was increased levels of DMT would just bin and that's that's like a chemical thing, you know, like they'd have to be taking blood samples

and stuff. I mean that would be interesting. I think the answer is still theta waves, but DMT like spikes the theta waves like crazy. Wow. So I don't know if DMT is the source, but DMT could be seen as like a catalyst. I would love to see that. Eg though I think that I joked about it. I think I would love to see

that. That seems interesting. There's somewhere because in the documentary on net Flix they were talking about when they did clinical trials in the hospital, they had everybody hooked up to everything, so they have some sort of there's data on trip. Okay, we have some research to do. I want to see that. Yeah, that would be show me the money. Like after seeing the scans, like the live scans with your dad, now I'm like now

I'm like hungry for more of that kind of data. Yeah. So if we've learned when you die and you get dumped at DMT and your portal opens, you would also be getting dumped with theta waves. Well, dude, listen, look like to me, it just makes so much sense. It's obviously true. It's proven to be true. Now the Monroe Institute their whole stick is there. There there specially engineered frequencies to like hack your brain into theata. I'm telling you, we've been talking about that since like the third

episode. I'm pretty sure we started talking about that in the Matrix if I recall, and it's like we've been on this, but I feel so just like, thank you God it was shown on TV. Yeah, but like it makes sense because typically the theta wave state is never experienced while you're awake, you know, like it is a state that has to be accessed through some sort of meditation or frequency or whatever. Theta is the state that the brain produces when you are dreaming. What would happen if you are in this

state while you were awake? It makes sense that the brain would be doing weird, spiritual, spooky things. Yeah, it just makes sense. It makes me think, like what we think of as being awake is really being asleep. Yeah, dude, we're asleep. That's when we actually wake up. This is what the Gnostics teach. Like I went for a while studying, I got into Rosa Crucianism, and I was like, I don't want to like pay for the membership for this. I'd rather just read stuff online.

And then I started studying the Gnostic method, reading you know, her hermetic hermetic text, but like, I really just want to like devour wisdom, tradition, knowledge, And I'm telling you, dude, like the Gnostic stuff it is exclusively about developing the consciousness to a level where you are dream walking. Yeah, that's the whole point the ancient Egyptians. Last night we had blue lotus flower tea. We actually did that, Like we had blue load It's flour tea. Hey, guys, dreams, it would be fun.

It was disgusting. I did not locid dream but they were vivid. Yeah. I also don't remember them, but I remember the feelings of them. Though. It was it was vile. Well, we made it very potent. Yeah, it was. I definitely cranked it. We took mugs and filled the mugs halfway with leaves, three differents. But no, so it tasted just like plant matter. It tast it didn't taste like Yeah, it was very numbing, it tingled in an uncomfortable way. It turned milk

gray if you were curious. Yeah, well that was with the milk and the honey, like nice milk steak color. Yes, yes, actually, yes, a milk steak. But the reason I bring up is because in ancient Egypt, they had rituals that were seen as sacred. The blue lotos grew only on the Nol River is if I remember correctly, and it was revered as like the sacred plant of almond raw. Like the ancient Egyptians, they would consume that. I'm assuming they didn't ta maybe they knew how to

smoke. I don't know if they knew how to smoke it or anything like that. But it's not a psychoactive like mushrooms or acid or anything like that. It's just a it's a plant with mild psychoactive properties. You don't trip, you don't get altered, but it's supposedly allows you to lose a dream. And the point is they would do these rituals where they would consume blue lotus flower in a you know, in a ceremony, and then they would

dream walk. Yeah, and I actually saw a TikTok about it. This morning talking about like there's an Egyptian book of dreams where it was all about awakening to a level to consciously dream walk. You find this significant symbolism in these ancient wisdom traditions, the Gnostics, the Egyptians, the Hermetics. It's all about awakening your consciousness to a level where even in the dream world you

were aware because they believe that you could. You could like say, like Edgar Casey did, like go view the acoustic records or create some sort of construct in your dreams of like the psychic Temple of Knowledge and gain answers and information. You know what I mean, create constructs in your dreams. It's like it's cool stuff. So you don't like Multiverse of Madness. I didn't like. I didn't there were some things about the movie. I didn't see

the whole premise. Yeah, I like the premise. It goes like, yeah, very really fun. I very recently watched that for the first time, like within the past few months, and I liked it. I think it's really fun. Yeah, if you take it too seriously, you're I think you will get But it's campy. It is like the tunnel scene, right, Yeah, it's so goofy, but it's good and it's yeah, it's about dreamlocking. And then like some people hated, like the Mozart Beethoven,

I thought I thought that was cool. I thought it was cool. It's actually the most unique fight scenes in a marvel movie period. I just didn't like the writing. I didn't. I didn't like, you know, a lot of the premise relies on things you don't expect to be true, like WandaVision ending the way it did, which I haven't seen, only hearsaying so I'm really talking. I don't want to watch, I know, but knowing how it ends, and then Wanda does, that doesn't really add up.

Well, what happened there was you had one director making this, one director making that people in my movie. Yeah, that wasn't used to watch WandaVision. He didn't watch it. He didn't see the source material there was. There was no coordination or any bigger plan here, no continuity, right right, which is like that that died along. Yeah, we're in a dark age of Marvels superhero It's but it's okay, Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, a little I think everyone's a little sick of it. Oh yeah,

just the slightest. I mean, Invincibles good. We can sing praises to all the good ones that are still coming out. It's good that Marvel's passing away though. Yeah. I do love Spider Man. I could never, I could never. Those are always fire, yeah, always, always, always. If you give a studio the room to breathe, they'll make something great. And that's we saw that with teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yeah. I loved that. I thought that was sick. But I mean,

yeah, Invincible. Oh it comes in a couple of months. Robert Kirkman The Walking Dead. What I haven't watched that in such a long time. He wrote the original comment flat too. He wrote Invincible the same guy. Yeah I didn't know that. Yeah, same guy. Why it's good. Even in the waters a scene where some of the kids are playing a little Invincible toys, I had no clue. Yeah, that's incredible. All right, boys, we did it. Yep, we did it. We did

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